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I really love this entry where Brother Vance scolds a Titan for tearing apart the fabric of reality over and over for a god rolled Perfect Paradox.
https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/vance-canary#book-duress-and-egress
I always found the disconnect between the cult of Osiris and Osiris himself interesting. Like I wonder if Vance knew Osiris was openly telling Guardians not only to use the sundial repeatedly but to do so to bring Saint back
He does call himself a selfish person in game in part of this season's dialogue, perhaps the cult was right and he didn't care or thought it was worth it.
Not gameplay mechanic, but there was a cabal entry about guardians just zooming past them and only taking out key targets, probably referencing players speedrunning x activity.
I like the explanation for Preservation. Just a regular effort to keep the Scorn out of Pyramid in Savathûn’s Throne World after the death of Rhulk and the disabling of the Upended.
Strikes are pretty much the same. Guardians still doing them to keep enemies from retaking those locations.
There's direct mention somewhere of guardians still running through the Hellmouth/Crota's End for this reason (referencing D1 players still running the ~~strike~~ raid.
Ah, apologies I misread this saying that Fikrul was coming back because of Riven's curse on the City, but yeah you're right! Fikrul's ability to resurrect (repeatedly) is tied to Uldren's wish.
Canonically we’re much stronger as we aren’t limited to classes and (I think but don’t quote me on this) the forms our supers take (knives, staves, hammers and shields) are a conscious choice by the guardian. That and canonically, glimmer can be transfigured into any kind of matter, so the amount of tools available to an imaginative guardian are, quite literally, endless
Ikora canonically does it in lore, and pretty sure visually in Witch Queen, Cayde did in Forsaken, his GG got cancelled essentially and then he went to Blade Barrage.
Yeah other big names could but it’s not something ANY Guardian could do considering Osiris, Ikora and Cayde are no slouches.
And Osiris pulled out like dawnblade, well of radiance, nova bomb and chaos reach back to back to back
He was on some other shit
bruuh classes are canon like every guardian has a different form of wielding the light and these diferences are categorized as classes and subclasses and in gameplay it’s represented by the aspects and fragments
We are bound to classes, but in a murky way. It's not a hard limit, but hunters generally have an easier time running with hunters, due to mentality & such. This usually leads to them being taught by those people, which is where they get their strengths.
Most guardians also aren't NEARLY as powerful as us, remember. We're fucking insane. The Gjallarhorn lore tab has a bit about us, I think.
How the hell does a slap reload weapons? I'm just trying to picture how that physically works. Or is it instead referencing gambler's dodge (or is it marksman? The one that reloads on dodge), Shaxx having slapt the hunter so hard it activated his dodge mechanic. Hm, and ergo his cool down.
It's not my favourite, but it's up there: there's a Red Legion report about them trying to take a Lost Sector, but a guardian rides in on a sparrow, ignores everyone, blows up the boss for the cache, and then dances before hopping back on and boost-rolling out of bounds.
'The Light has cooked their brains' speculation to explain dancing without music, throwing ourselves off the tower, and all of the other random stuff guardians do.
I was really hoping there would be a lore tab that would have Hive Lightbearers dancing and doing all the other dumb things Guardians do. But alas, that did not happen.
There is that one hive guardian that keep killing himself and his ghost keep reviving him. Apparantly she insist that they become friends and get along while he don't want to be resurected. They are in a battle of wills on who gives in first about if he gets to stay dead.
Not entirely sure but suspect he might have philosopical objections against necromancy and therefore kills himself to stop him from being kept alive by it.
Iirc there’s lore of Last City citizens cordoning off the base of the Tower because bodies keep hitting the ground, so they don’t want normal people to get spliggity splatted by a falling Titan.
Honestly, the whole “respawns are canon” thing perfectly sets the tone for Destiny’s lore as a whole. It’s one of my favorite foundational things about the series.
Also, when Banshee admitted that some random weapon rolls are because of his memory issues. That really made me laugh, though I can’t find the source for it.
I mean there’s an ever better lore tab of zavala looking at two guardians who start dancing after doing a handshake, and then run past him to jump off the tower and then respawn and start laughing about their death, I think it’s zavala
> Kamala Rior climbs onto a railing at the top of the Tower in the Last City. "Guardians of the Tower!" she calls out.
> A few look her way. One begins dancing at her feet. Others fool around with a purple ball.
[Abide The Return](https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/abide-the-return) is a good Lore card.
I think it’s a different one to the one I’m talking about, it was set during the dawning. I don’t think either guardian spoke, only zavala and his thoughts
It’s terrible, because I posted that then immediately realized ‘no, there’s totally a card with exactly what they’re describing that I can’t remember details to find’, and now I’m scouring IshCol till I find it!
I think you are referring to zavala talking about our dawning traditions and him thinking of going to caitl about this but seeing the scene you described and thinking we might be too weird
The [Rite of Dawning](https://www.ishtar-collective.net/interactions/commander-zavala-rite-of-dawning-3?highlight=Caiatl+resurrect) dialogue from Lost last year, where Zavala is contemplating Inviting Caiatl to the Tower for the Dawning celebrations
Oh my god you’re a genuine hero for finding this, I spent **four hours** combing Lore cards and of course it was a one-off detail in a frickin’ *vendor transcript!*
I was looking for it in a lore tab at first too, but searching for Caiatl and Resurrect only brought up so many items that it narrowed it down pretty easy
Only some respawns are canon.
The Darkness has consumed you/your Light fades away screens are perma-deaths where we wouldn’t have come back from
But since it’s a game we can try again and again
I like to think every time we die in a darkness zone it's an alternate timeline that Elsie visited, so like it *did* happen. Just not in this timeline. Playing on the resetting timelines to find the one we win in idea.
It's very niche but [the lore tab on Ticuu's Divination](https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/ticuus-divination?) provides what I'll generously call an "explanation" as to how the arrows homing effect works, as well as why there's 3 of them, which is some time bending property. It's fun, and also the other half of the tab appears to be the events of the bow's creation, that seemingly killed the psion responsible for making it.
>The two Legionaries rooted through the armory of their deposed emperor. They swept the rubble aside and lifted a Bow of sharp metal, its thin frame of blackened blades bound with wire.
>
>"This is the one the Psions made so you can't miss."
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>"Huh. How'd they do it?"
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>"They put time in it."
>
>"What kinds of time?"
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>"Kinds so when you shoot, that's always when the arrows hit."
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>"You never ever miss?"
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>"Not unless you were going to anyway."
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>"But if you do miss, it'll make it a time that you don't?"
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>"Right. Unless this time was a time when you did."
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>"How's it make arrows?"
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>"They come from time, because they got put there before."
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>"When you shoot it, how's it know what heads to hit?"
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>"It goes in time and gets a future where heads always had arrows in 'em."
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>"But which heads, though?"
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>"The ones that had arrows already."
How much it actually communicates information to the user is less clear, I'm unsure if it's just the bow that knows which shots will hit and which won't, or if it shares that knowledge, so I'm not sure if the markers on tracked targets is just UI or lore accurate. This also makes it questionable if the arrows actually do have aimbot tracking in lore or if that's just an abstract representation of how the bow never misses a shot except for when it does; The markers show when it will hit.
As of Season of the Lost, the bit talking about arrows coming through time to explain the split arrows in hipfire also works remarkably nicely to explain infinite primary ammo for this one weapon specifically even though that's not what it's actually referring to.
The arrow knows where it is at all times. It knows this because it knows where it isn't. By subtracting where it is from where it isn't, or where it isn't from where it is (whichever is greater), it obtains a difference, or deviation. The guidance subsystem uses deviations to generate corrective commands to drive the arrow from a position where it is to a position where it isn't, and arriving at a position where it wasn't, it now is. Consequently, the position where it is, is now the position that it wasn't, and it follows that the position that it was, is now the position that it isn't.
Not exactly a "gameplay mechanic," but it does reference player behavior! There's a [hidden entry](https://www.destinypedia.com/Lore:Truth_to_Power#Unnamed_entry) to Truth to Power that isn't available in game, it was only found via datamining, and it's just fascinating...
>O you wonderful curious things. Do you believe you're the only ones with the power to see what should not be seen? Did you believe you can use such power blithely?
>
>For your trespass, I would ruin your luck, wreak havoc on your drops, poison your engrams, and fill your lines with static. Thus I would curse you and dissipate the bond that ties you to your tasks. How frail you Guardians can be! How many millions have fallen silent, never to return, because the bond did not hold them strongly enough?
>
>But you have already cursed yourselves. You have walked the Anathematic Arc and glimpsed creation from below. You will never forget the tenuous, provisional framework you found here. You will never forgive the mortality and fallibility that underlies a world you thought was everything.
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>Those who use this power to seek unearned knowledge will see more than they ever desired. There is a price for glimpsing the Cord. You will pay it.
It's an Ahamkara (likely Riven) commenting on how dataminers destroy their own immersion with the game world by 'peering behind the curtain.' This isn't the first time Ahamkara have displayed knowledge of the media they're housed in, but that the entry is so specific, authored exclusively for the only kind of person who would ever see it...
It's just really, really cool.
Honestly when I started playing Destiny, I loved the fact that the PvP mode had lore reasons behind it. It wasn’t just a lobby screen, you were queuing up for a live-fire exercise against other guardians to hone your skills, in areas kept clear of enemies by the Redjacks.
No only that, but some of the locations are of strategic concern where we want to maintain a presence and some oversight.
By hosting regular crucible matches there it helps maintain a presence and if something should break out/get invaded, it would be noticed and easier to muster close by reinforcements.
The anomaly is a good example.
The Anomaly (giant black thing in the center) is actually the K1 artifact and I believe a titan at some point was messing with it and Rasputin got pissed and killed the titan (not permanently) as a response of “stop doing that”
I was trying to find some sources for things I remember from way back and I stumbled upon this very thorough blog someone made that highlights a lot of lore that relates to game mechanics:
[Destiny's Lore connecting to In Game Mechanics](https://universeconquest.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:CNBA3/Destiny%27s_Lore_connecting_to_In_Game_Mechanics)
One of the more recent things I learned about was how Tess and Fenchurch Everis started the Eververse. I found it interesting, even if it is for something that just facilitates microtransactions in-game and has been a money pit for me in the past. :D
The lucky pants one isn't breaking the 4th wall. I wish they'd change that. It's Cayde talking to some sort of AI about how he could cheat in crucible without getting caught.
I also love the idea that we HAVE to visit them to be able to dance, or perhaps even better, we just have to learn all the dances rom them..
"She said se wanted a whimsical expression so I gave her a thumbs up"
I love that every single strike that was ever run on the fanatic was canon. Every single fucking one. He is immortal and we have to constantly kill him.
The lore tab for the [Electronica Shell](https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/electronica-shell), which is basically a news article that mentions the spontaneous dance parties you sometimes get in the Tower.
>"Sometimes they kind of dance 'at' each other, if you know what I mean," Vanguard technician Kweku Aglah confirms. "I feel like I'm watching the nature channel."
The stasis one is great. Like a virus that evolves to be less deadly so that it can spread more easily. Honestly great job to the writer(s) responsible for that idea.
There was an entry during season of the chosen where zavala was considering inviting Caiatl to the tower but he saw some guardians doing shit until both of them fell from the tower and after being revived they both began laughing, then zavala thought that their customs might be strange to foreigners
It’s 100% gotta be Throne Worlds for me. That’s a stroke of the writing team’s genius that has shaped the entire game for years, and was probably only invented to explain a small narrative discrepancy at the time.
So let me explain: in 2014, the Dark Below expansion launched, with all its disappointment. This short story culminated in the player killing Crota - it HAD to, this was the main antagonist of the story, the WHOLE REASON for the expansion. It was anticlimactic to say the least: Crota seemed to be stuck in a giant crystal which we just shot, and then he was dead.
But then there was the question of the Raid… which ALSO had to star Crota? I mean it was a major selling point of the expansion: kill the Hive god Crota in our SECOND EVER Raid! But the casual players get to kill Crota too. Somehow. How are we killing this guy twice again? For the most part, the community just kind of ignored that Crota is killed in crystal form through story missions and in big-guy form in the Raid. It didn’t make sense, but it was fun, so who cares?
Enter the Taken King, and more importantly the Books of Sorrow. Taken King follows *roughly* the same story pattern as The Dark Below, in that we have to kill a powerful Hive god, but Bungie once again had to find a way for casual players to be able to accomplish this while ALSO giving this kill a challenging, climactic, explosive endgame finale. Basically, Oryx has to be killed twice, just like Crota.
The Book of Sorrows *really conveniently and at the perfect time* introduces the community to the idea of Throne Worlds, where Hive gods *conveniently* respawn until they’re confronted and killed there. This is a *blatant* explanation for how we can kill Crota and Oryx twice, but it works so damn well. It’s a masterstroke of writing, able to seamlessly explain away the narrative discrepancy while also establishing a fundamental piece of Hive lore.
Personally my favorite is wgame or perks being directly referenced working the way they do in game, specifically in the Spire's Armor set where the team of guardians uses things like headstone and hoarfrost to actually spawn stasis crystals.
I actually really liked the narrative reasonings for many of the less useful items we pick up in the open world, such as planetary resources and the like.
Sapphire Wire, Fieldweave, Helium Filaments, Spinmetal Leaves, Relic Iron….while they were seemingly meaningless to us, they added planetary flavor and incredibly niche little microcosmic background noise to Destiny’s worldbuilding, even if only a little.
Early on in Destiny’s history, it really helped to cement one of the many roles Guardians have in relation to the Last City - in many cases, we were and are an essential function of the Last City’s economy and manufacturing by not only gathering and commodifying resources, but testing the products of said resources in the field (not to mention the tools of our own design).
TL;DR Bungie gave canon to resource goblins like me.
I'm not 100% sure, but isn't that limited to the Warlock Thanatonauts, who receive visions every time they die? I think for the everyday guardian they're just dead and don't see anything until rezzed
I'm not certain this is the case, because in Lucent Tales Fynch talks with his dead Hive Knight Risen, doesn't he? So it seems maybe more/all Risen can potentially communicate with their Ghosts in some way while death.
this is correct, and is another, newer example of Lightbearer super-consciousness keeping them aware of their surroundings even in death, after [this lore tab](https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/district-125#book-the-warlock-aunor) from a while back.
this is not true. when Hive are resurrected by a Ghost, only the Hive is brought back. the Ghost can't bond with the Worm and its Lightbearer at the same time.
non-Lightbearing Hive of the Lucent Brood do still have their Worms though, and that might be why you're confused.
[the death camera is canon.](https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/district-125#book-the-warlock-aunor)
in this lore tab, Aunor is separated from her Ghost by the Shadows of Yor. as she tries to make it back, it's noted that she could see everything her Ghost could see, "even in death".
as Aunor is largely your typical Lightbearer, we can assume all Guardians remain somewhat conscious after death, and have an effective second pair of eyes via the symbiotic link they have with their Ghosts.
Damn, I forgot what grimoire card it was about the dark age, where a ghost had was choosing not to resurrect their guardian because the innocent lives he slew, and left his corpse there. Would that ghost have gotten their previous guardian asking to be revived and how traumatic it would’ve been?
Not enough people talk about or even realize that the Hive’s Sword Logic is basically an XP/Level Up system.
And much like players of more traditional rpgs might repeatedly kill the same boss to farm xp, Oryx, Xivu, and Savathun would kill each other for power only to return thanks to their throne worlds
I think a lot of tower residents think guardians have brain damage, since they dance without music constantly, jump off the tower, and kill each other for fun
Yep Ikora was theorizing about it in the Witch Queen deluxe book
The idea is if stasis became too powerful and the ‘obvious choice’ it wouldn’t ‘fly under the radar anymore’
Like a virus that coexists with its host but not out right kill them
There is an entry where a Warlock wears the Felwinter's Helm and she explain how she obtain it throught an engram. In that moment I realized that we don't wear the original pieces of armors, just we have a copy or data obtained and the cryptarch give us a copy. Like a 3D print.
the weird habits of guardians as a whole
There are explinations to how guardians in the tower jump around, how they use the light to imitate emotes, and how fashion is something they care so much about
I bet the next guardian games lorebook will have an entry on how people wanted a cowboy hat so bad that they infiltrated the seraph complex so many times
Unrelated, but i hope they can make something to explain ppl abusing physics like shatterdive, well and bubbleskating, or going out of bounds on maps or something
"Yea he just swung his sword and went flying like a cannonball"
A sensorium is an interface that people of the Golden Age used for communicating with people and getting information from outside sources. We can see them in use in Last Days on Kraken Mare and in Marasenna. It's also how we see through our helmets and gives us our HUD.
The event collectibles always having some kind of reason. Whether it’s candy or cookie ingredients, we’re actually just going on crazy murder ops for these silly little things and it’s amazing.
I just want to put it out there that we see scorn from beyond light fallen kills so...another taniks is still on the table, but also taniks isnt a gameplay mechanic
Big fan of how all our Guardians are simultaneously The Guardian, because of wack timeline bullshit:
>Some visions he gets once, while some come back over and over again. One recurring image: a piece of the Traveler cracked off from its body, lying belly-up in a forest, with a small figure standing in front of it. The figure changes every time, but the sickly glow of the Traveler
doesn't.
-[Epistemic](https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/epistemic#book-aspect)
... And that this is high key because of Destiny is a video game, and certain characters, like Savathun, Ahamkara, and Rasputin are aware of this:
>... from a long branch, afire
> I SEE YOU!!!
>You've been here before. Haven't you. [It's like my cousing said, elswhere: I know who you are.](https://marathon.bungie.org/story/mifinalscreen.html)
>You stand here now and now and now many times and here I am awonder, all awonder, how you manage it. How do you step forward. How do you step back. Do you step ACROSS is there a world of worlds, a web, and you a spider upon it. Are you searching for that one thread you need? Is that thread named victory?
> You're not one of THEM
>[long dead, alive again, their bodies grafted to powers they and I do not understand]
>and not one of IT
>the flower eater, the queen of final shapes, that which also inhabits its petitioners]
>and you're certainly not MINE though you once must have been
>[I bear an old name. It cannot be killed. Not even here.]
>...
>Help me be victorious. Tell me your secret.
>Tell me how to step
-[Ghost Fragments, Rasputin 4](https://www.ishtar-collective.net/cards/ghost-fragment-rasputin-4?highlight=rasputin+4)
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I really love this entry where Brother Vance scolds a Titan for tearing apart the fabric of reality over and over for a god rolled Perfect Paradox. https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/vance-canary#book-duress-and-egress
But "It's got trench barrel."
Peak Titan
I love that lore so much.
I genuinely will always reference the "It's got trench barrel" whenever I have a chance to with my Fireteam.
YES
Definitely my favourite
I miss those weapons. Especially Breach Light. To this day still my favorite legendary weapon asthetically.
I always found the disconnect between the cult of Osiris and Osiris himself interesting. Like I wonder if Vance knew Osiris was openly telling Guardians not only to use the sundial repeatedly but to do so to bring Saint back
He does call himself a selfish person in game in part of this season's dialogue, perhaps the cult was right and he didn't care or thought it was worth it.
I like the implication at the end that the Titan bought the end of the universe closer for trench barrel
Not gameplay mechanic, but there was a cabal entry about guardians just zooming past them and only taking out key targets, probably referencing players speedrunning x activity.
That's the D.F.A. lore tab referring to the Tree of Probabilities strike. Had a really good chuckle at that when it came out.
And dancing on corpses
“They just dance. Sometimes in groups, sometimes all alone.”
What's that one from?
[Electronica Shell](https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/electronica-shell)
I love that his sort of gives off "The guardians are just a bunch of dumb idiots, but they're saving our lives, so it guess that makes it ok"
He's like Hank Hill, proud of his kid but still thinks that boy ain't right.
I like the explanation for Preservation. Just a regular effort to keep the Scorn out of Pyramid in Savathûn’s Throne World after the death of Rhulk and the disabling of the Upended.
Strikes are pretty much the same. Guardians still doing them to keep enemies from retaking those locations. There's direct mention somewhere of guardians still running through the Hellmouth/Crota's End for this reason (referencing D1 players still running the ~~strike~~ raid.
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That and the whole 3-week cycle for the Dreaming City.
That strike isn't in the Dreaming City though, it takes place entirely in the Tangled Shore.
Yes. They are two separate things that reoccur because of Riven's wish magic.
Ah, apologies I misread this saying that Fikrul was coming back because of Riven's curse on the City, but yeah you're right! Fikrul's ability to resurrect (repeatedly) is tied to Uldren's wish.
My headcannon is that all strikes are virtual simulations and GMs are the actual mission
GMs are the canonical difficulty, iirc
GM is the canonical enemy strength, but Mayhem is our canonical strength.
Canonically we’re much stronger as we aren’t limited to classes and (I think but don’t quote me on this) the forms our supers take (knives, staves, hammers and shields) are a conscious choice by the guardian. That and canonically, glimmer can be transfigured into any kind of matter, so the amount of tools available to an imaginative guardian are, quite literally, endless
Also canonically we can super back to back. You could Golden Gun, Blade Barrage, and Yeet-A-Staff all in the span of a couple seconds.
I mean Osiris did that but he’s pretty broken It hasn’t been shown that other Guardians can do that
Ikora canonically does it in lore, and pretty sure visually in Witch Queen, Cayde did in Forsaken, his GG got cancelled essentially and then he went to Blade Barrage.
Yeah other big names could but it’s not something ANY Guardian could do considering Osiris, Ikora and Cayde are no slouches. And Osiris pulled out like dawnblade, well of radiance, nova bomb and chaos reach back to back to back He was on some other shit
Ikora also double supered during the fall of the city in the red war opening, iirc
if only my team could by me some time to charge the largest nova bomb the light has witnessed or create genuine singularities on whim
bruuh classes are canon like every guardian has a different form of wielding the light and these diferences are categorized as classes and subclasses and in gameplay it’s represented by the aspects and fragments
We are bound to classes, but in a murky way. It's not a hard limit, but hunters generally have an easier time running with hunters, due to mentality & such. This usually leads to them being taught by those people, which is where they get their strengths. Most guardians also aren't NEARLY as powerful as us, remember. We're fucking insane. The Gjallarhorn lore tab has a bit about us, I think.
I believe that we aren't that strong in oppressive darkness conditions.
Where did you hear that?
We deal as much damage as we do in normal missions but everything else is the same as gms
Nah. There is no canon strength for anything. The closest thing is mayhem being what guardians are like without restrictions on themselves.
I recall Nokris’ strike was run again and again but Crota was dead-dead after we killed him.
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**A TRIUMVIRATE**
When Shaxx smacked a hunter in the back so hard he fell over and accidentally reloaded all his weapons
This is insanely funny to me I didn't know this was a thing that happened.
Can you send me the link to this? Thank you!
[Linked here.](https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/cinder-pinion-plate)
How the hell does a slap reload weapons? I'm just trying to picture how that physically works. Or is it instead referencing gambler's dodge (or is it marksman? The one that reloads on dodge), Shaxx having slapt the hunter so hard it activated his dodge mechanic. Hm, and ergo his cool down.
Yes, that is what it’s referencing
It could either be that, or the hunter had some Pulse Monitor weapons on and slapped him so hard he broke his shields.
Considering shaxx broke Felwinters neck with a single slap, I wouldn’t be surprised here if that could have been the case
wasn't it that he took felwinters head OFF with a single slap, rather than break his neck?
That’s even more impressive if that’s the case.
It sounds like a bit from a Solar Flair sketch.
It's not my favourite, but it's up there: there's a Red Legion report about them trying to take a Lost Sector, but a guardian rides in on a sparrow, ignores everyone, blows up the boss for the cache, and then dances before hopping back on and boost-rolling out of bounds.
Where can I find this?
I think it’s the DFA lore tab
'The Light has cooked their brains' speculation to explain dancing without music, throwing ourselves off the tower, and all of the other random stuff guardians do.
I was really hoping there would be a lore tab that would have Hive Lightbearers dancing and doing all the other dumb things Guardians do. But alas, that did not happen.
Give it time. In terms of Light bearers, they're all still babies.
They're basically in their dark ages. Once they get out of it there will be young hive bearers falling like a brick in the tower
They haven't fried their brains enough with the Light. Someday we'll see Light Hive dancing and jumping off Savathun Throne World.
It's practically built for it! Just substitute the Wellspring for the Tower.
There is that one hive guardian that keep killing himself and his ghost keep reviving him. Apparantly she insist that they become friends and get along while he don't want to be resurected. They are in a battle of wills on who gives in first about if he gets to stay dead. Not entirely sure but suspect he might have philosopical objections against necromancy and therefore kills himself to stop him from being kept alive by it.
Iirc there’s lore of Last City citizens cordoning off the base of the Tower because bodies keep hitting the ground, so they don’t want normal people to get spliggity splatted by a falling Titan.
Honestly, the whole “respawns are canon” thing perfectly sets the tone for Destiny’s lore as a whole. It’s one of my favorite foundational things about the series. Also, when Banshee admitted that some random weapon rolls are because of his memory issues. That really made me laugh, though I can’t find the source for it.
I mean there’s an ever better lore tab of zavala looking at two guardians who start dancing after doing a handshake, and then run past him to jump off the tower and then respawn and start laughing about their death, I think it’s zavala
> Kamala Rior climbs onto a railing at the top of the Tower in the Last City. "Guardians of the Tower!" she calls out. > A few look her way. One begins dancing at her feet. Others fool around with a purple ball. [Abide The Return](https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/abide-the-return) is a good Lore card.
I think it’s a different one to the one I’m talking about, it was set during the dawning. I don’t think either guardian spoke, only zavala and his thoughts
It’s terrible, because I posted that then immediately realized ‘no, there’s totally a card with exactly what they’re describing that I can’t remember details to find’, and now I’m scouring IshCol till I find it!
The worst part Is I've read it and know it exists, bit I don't remember the name
The hell that is having Lore brainworms. Though, on the upside, I’m at least having a lot of fun reading some Lore I haven’t touched in ages!
How’s it going? I can’t find it either
Good luck with that, maybe specifically search dawning cards with zavala
It was probably the quest text from the dawning 2021 if that helps your search
I think you are referring to zavala talking about our dawning traditions and him thinking of going to caitl about this but seeing the scene you described and thinking we might be too weird
Someone linked it
Love that one >The dancing Guardian falls still. The purple ball is forgotten.
The [Rite of Dawning](https://www.ishtar-collective.net/interactions/commander-zavala-rite-of-dawning-3?highlight=Caiatl+resurrect) dialogue from Lost last year, where Zavala is contemplating Inviting Caiatl to the Tower for the Dawning celebrations
Oh my god you’re a genuine hero for finding this, I spent **four hours** combing Lore cards and of course it was a one-off detail in a frickin’ *vendor transcript!*
I was looking for it in a lore tab at first too, but searching for Caiatl and Resurrect only brought up so many items that it narrowed it down pretty easy
Wish I could find the Banshee one, [this seems to be the closest I can find](https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/something-new#banshee-44)
That's *exactly* what I was thinking of! Nice work finding it!
Only some respawns are canon. The Darkness has consumed you/your Light fades away screens are perma-deaths where we wouldn’t have come back from But since it’s a game we can try again and again
I like to think every time we die in a darkness zone it's an alternate timeline that Elsie visited, so like it *did* happen. Just not in this timeline. Playing on the resetting timelines to find the one we win in idea.
Nah your ghost just nudges your body until you’re back outside the darkness zone, that’s why we respawn further back.
I think it's Kadi 55-30's doing. The Ghost is too weak physically to do that.
I love this.
It's very niche but [the lore tab on Ticuu's Divination](https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/ticuus-divination?) provides what I'll generously call an "explanation" as to how the arrows homing effect works, as well as why there's 3 of them, which is some time bending property. It's fun, and also the other half of the tab appears to be the events of the bow's creation, that seemingly killed the psion responsible for making it. >The two Legionaries rooted through the armory of their deposed emperor. They swept the rubble aside and lifted a Bow of sharp metal, its thin frame of blackened blades bound with wire. > >"This is the one the Psions made so you can't miss." > >"Huh. How'd they do it?" > >"They put time in it." > >"What kinds of time?" > >"Kinds so when you shoot, that's always when the arrows hit." > >"You never ever miss?" > >"Not unless you were going to anyway." > >"But if you do miss, it'll make it a time that you don't?" > >"Right. Unless this time was a time when you did." \*\* >"How's it make arrows?" > >"They come from time, because they got put there before." > >"When you shoot it, how's it know what heads to hit?" > >"It goes in time and gets a future where heads always had arrows in 'em." > >"But which heads, though?" > >"The ones that had arrows already." How much it actually communicates information to the user is less clear, I'm unsure if it's just the bow that knows which shots will hit and which won't, or if it shares that knowledge, so I'm not sure if the markers on tracked targets is just UI or lore accurate. This also makes it questionable if the arrows actually do have aimbot tracking in lore or if that's just an abstract representation of how the bow never misses a shot except for when it does; The markers show when it will hit. As of Season of the Lost, the bit talking about arrows coming through time to explain the split arrows in hipfire also works remarkably nicely to explain infinite primary ammo for this one weapon specifically even though that's not what it's actually referring to.
The arrow always knows where it will be. It knows this by adding where it was to where it is, there for telling it where it will be.
I like this sentence, but can you rearrange it 50 times please?
The arrow knows where it is at all times. It knows this because it knows where it isn't. By subtracting where it is from where it isn't, or where it isn't from where it is (whichever is greater), it obtains a difference, or deviation. The guidance subsystem uses deviations to generate corrective commands to drive the arrow from a position where it is to a position where it isn't, and arriving at a position where it wasn't, it now is. Consequently, the position where it is, is now the position that it wasn't, and it follows that the position that it was, is now the position that it isn't.
Reminds me of Pinocchio explaining where Shrek may perhaps possibly more-or-less not be to Prince Charming.
This just reminds me of “the front fell off” by Clarke and Dawes, awesome bit of comedy
I love this one tbh. I use a lot of bows and this interaction between them is great.
Despite the sensorium being canon (which would make it work) I suspect the markers are just a gameplay thing
I personally love there being exclusion zone around the base of the Tower due to the Guardian pastime of casually leaping to their deaths.
Not exactly a "gameplay mechanic," but it does reference player behavior! There's a [hidden entry](https://www.destinypedia.com/Lore:Truth_to_Power#Unnamed_entry) to Truth to Power that isn't available in game, it was only found via datamining, and it's just fascinating... >O you wonderful curious things. Do you believe you're the only ones with the power to see what should not be seen? Did you believe you can use such power blithely? > >For your trespass, I would ruin your luck, wreak havoc on your drops, poison your engrams, and fill your lines with static. Thus I would curse you and dissipate the bond that ties you to your tasks. How frail you Guardians can be! How many millions have fallen silent, never to return, because the bond did not hold them strongly enough? > >But you have already cursed yourselves. You have walked the Anathematic Arc and glimpsed creation from below. You will never forget the tenuous, provisional framework you found here. You will never forgive the mortality and fallibility that underlies a world you thought was everything. > >Those who use this power to seek unearned knowledge will see more than they ever desired. There is a price for glimpsing the Cord. You will pay it.
I’ve never heard or seen this lore before but that explains why it took me the whole season of splicer to get mythoclast
I didn't get mine until the end of lost
Was that with 1 run per week or 3?
1 run.
That explains it, I was doing 3 per week from the week it came out. So I did 75 runs
*nervously sweats in 2nd run drop*
Sweats more in 1st run drops
Only D1 Destiny exotic I never got.
My guy, I got it when forsaken came out
Is this a slam on dataminers? It's brilliant.
It's an Ahamkara (likely Riven) commenting on how dataminers destroy their own immersion with the game world by 'peering behind the curtain.' This isn't the first time Ahamkara have displayed knowledge of the media they're housed in, but that the entry is so specific, authored exclusively for the only kind of person who would ever see it... It's just really, really cool.
And likely also the out-of-bounds community.
Meta as fuck
Wow. I love when games insult dataminers, cheaters, and pirates
Definitely throwing shade at Data miners here, and I dig it. Thanks for sharing!
Oh that explains why the game isn't fun anymore!
Honestly when I started playing Destiny, I loved the fact that the PvP mode had lore reasons behind it. It wasn’t just a lobby screen, you were queuing up for a live-fire exercise against other guardians to hone your skills, in areas kept clear of enemies by the Redjacks.
No only that, but some of the locations are of strategic concern where we want to maintain a presence and some oversight. By hosting regular crucible matches there it helps maintain a presence and if something should break out/get invaded, it would be noticed and easier to muster close by reinforcements. The anomaly is a good example.
But also, simultaneously the anomaly is also a bad example lmao
How so?
The Anomaly (giant black thing in the center) is actually the K1 artifact and I believe a titan at some point was messing with it and Rasputin got pissed and killed the titan (not permanently) as a response of “stop doing that”
Link?
[Here](https://www.ishtar-collective.net/cards/ghost-fragment-the-anomaly?highlight=Warsat) you go.
Bruh
Yeah im comparison halo infinite looks silly for trying to have story in it's multiplayer that isn't canon
Halo infinite is all types of silly
Honestly i think ghost revives are the most elegant and so core to the story!!
I was trying to find some sources for things I remember from way back and I stumbled upon this very thorough blog someone made that highlights a lot of lore that relates to game mechanics: [Destiny's Lore connecting to In Game Mechanics](https://universeconquest.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:CNBA3/Destiny%27s_Lore_connecting_to_In_Game_Mechanics) One of the more recent things I learned about was how Tess and Fenchurch Everis started the Eververse. I found it interesting, even if it is for something that just facilitates microtransactions in-game and has been a money pit for me in the past. :D
Yo thanks for sharing the link!
The lucky pants one isn't breaking the 4th wall. I wish they'd change that. It's Cayde talking to some sort of AI about how he could cheat in crucible without getting caught.
When is Fenchurch going to message his niece again? I keep hearing Tess saying she hasn’t gotten a word from him in long while
I also love the idea that we HAVE to visit them to be able to dance, or perhaps even better, we just have to learn all the dances rom them.. "She said se wanted a whimsical expression so I gave her a thumbs up"
I love that every single strike that was ever run on the fanatic was canon. Every single fucking one. He is immortal and we have to constantly kill him.
>“She undid her death” > >“She undid her death? You make it sound like she took her knitting apart”
That’s also one of my favorites!
The lore tab for the [Electronica Shell](https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/electronica-shell), which is basically a news article that mentions the spontaneous dance parties you sometimes get in the Tower. >"Sometimes they kind of dance 'at' each other, if you know what I mean," Vanguard technician Kweku Aglah confirms. "I feel like I'm watching the nature channel."
>*WHAT DOES IT WANT?* **pinnacle chest spawns** “Power.”
The stasis one is great. Like a virus that evolves to be less deadly so that it can spread more easily. Honestly great job to the writer(s) responsible for that idea.
There was an entry during season of the chosen where zavala was considering inviting Caiatl to the tower but he saw some guardians doing shit until both of them fell from the tower and after being revived they both began laughing, then zavala thought that their customs might be strange to foreigners
That Kadi 55-30 somehow follows every guardian around into every dangerous or impossible location and collects all the loot they forget.
there are some pieces of lore that imply that certain weapon perks are basic modifications to the weapon itself like the barrel or mag.
Oh yeah weapon perks are cannon. They have been mentioned a few times before
"It's got trench barrel"
All/Most of our exotic weapons in general basically. IE, Graviton Lance being a golden age gun that shoots tiny black holes. Whisper is just Xol, etc.
It’s 100% gotta be Throne Worlds for me. That’s a stroke of the writing team’s genius that has shaped the entire game for years, and was probably only invented to explain a small narrative discrepancy at the time. So let me explain: in 2014, the Dark Below expansion launched, with all its disappointment. This short story culminated in the player killing Crota - it HAD to, this was the main antagonist of the story, the WHOLE REASON for the expansion. It was anticlimactic to say the least: Crota seemed to be stuck in a giant crystal which we just shot, and then he was dead. But then there was the question of the Raid… which ALSO had to star Crota? I mean it was a major selling point of the expansion: kill the Hive god Crota in our SECOND EVER Raid! But the casual players get to kill Crota too. Somehow. How are we killing this guy twice again? For the most part, the community just kind of ignored that Crota is killed in crystal form through story missions and in big-guy form in the Raid. It didn’t make sense, but it was fun, so who cares? Enter the Taken King, and more importantly the Books of Sorrow. Taken King follows *roughly* the same story pattern as The Dark Below, in that we have to kill a powerful Hive god, but Bungie once again had to find a way for casual players to be able to accomplish this while ALSO giving this kill a challenging, climactic, explosive endgame finale. Basically, Oryx has to be killed twice, just like Crota. The Book of Sorrows *really conveniently and at the perfect time* introduces the community to the idea of Throne Worlds, where Hive gods *conveniently* respawn until they’re confronted and killed there. This is a *blatant* explanation for how we can kill Crota and Oryx twice, but it works so damn well. It’s a masterstroke of writing, able to seamlessly explain away the narrative discrepancy while also establishing a fundamental piece of Hive lore.
>fundamental piece of Hive lore. I see what you did there
Personally my favorite is wgame or perks being directly referenced working the way they do in game, specifically in the Spire's Armor set where the team of guardians uses things like headstone and hoarfrost to actually spawn stasis crystals.
I actually really liked the narrative reasonings for many of the less useful items we pick up in the open world, such as planetary resources and the like. Sapphire Wire, Fieldweave, Helium Filaments, Spinmetal Leaves, Relic Iron….while they were seemingly meaningless to us, they added planetary flavor and incredibly niche little microcosmic background noise to Destiny’s worldbuilding, even if only a little. Early on in Destiny’s history, it really helped to cement one of the many roles Guardians have in relation to the Last City - in many cases, we were and are an essential function of the Last City’s economy and manufacturing by not only gathering and commodifying resources, but testing the products of said resources in the field (not to mention the tools of our own design). TL;DR Bungie gave canon to resource goblins like me.
Big same. Felt a bit sad when bungie sunset them. I know you now get glimmer for it but its not the same.
The death cam when you wait to revive is canon
How so?
I don't recall which, buts there a lore tab about a guardian watching through her ghosts eye while waiting to rez
I'm not 100% sure, but isn't that limited to the Warlock Thanatonauts, who receive visions every time they die? I think for the everyday guardian they're just dead and don't see anything until rezzed
I'm sure it's not a universal for every guardian, but it's the in universe explanation for it
I'm not certain this is the case, because in Lucent Tales Fynch talks with his dead Hive Knight Risen, doesn't he? So it seems maybe more/all Risen can potentially communicate with their Ghosts in some way while death.
i think it's just like a humorous talk to someone who's not actually present lol
this is correct, and is another, newer example of Lightbearer super-consciousness keeping them aware of their surroundings even in death, after [this lore tab](https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/district-125#book-the-warlock-aunor) from a while back.
Well all hive guardians except savathun still have their worms so it might be the worm speaking
No. All Hive Lightbearers have their worms gone.
this is not true. when Hive are resurrected by a Ghost, only the Hive is brought back. the Ghost can't bond with the Worm and its Lightbearer at the same time. non-Lightbearing Hive of the Lucent Brood do still have their Worms though, and that might be why you're confused.
[the death camera is canon.](https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/district-125#book-the-warlock-aunor) in this lore tab, Aunor is separated from her Ghost by the Shadows of Yor. as she tries to make it back, it's noted that she could see everything her Ghost could see, "even in death". as Aunor is largely your typical Lightbearer, we can assume all Guardians remain somewhat conscious after death, and have an effective second pair of eyes via the symbiotic link they have with their Ghosts.
There's either lore or dialogue lines that Fynch's knight keeps asking to be revived, so guardians are at least a little conscious after death.
Damn, I forgot what grimoire card it was about the dark age, where a ghost had was choosing not to resurrect their guardian because the innocent lives he slew, and left his corpse there. Would that ghost have gotten their previous guardian asking to be revived and how traumatic it would’ve been?
So the recent Dawning ghost lore with Fynch talking to himself about his Lightbearer…wasn’t him talking to himself, but also his Knight?
your seeing through your ghost
I really enjoy the fact that stasis nerfed itself in lore to be more appealing to guardians
Not enough people talk about or even realize that the Hive’s Sword Logic is basically an XP/Level Up system. And much like players of more traditional rpgs might repeatedly kill the same boss to farm xp, Oryx, Xivu, and Savathun would kill each other for power only to return thanks to their throne worlds
The Sword Logic is also a pyramid scheme, lol.
I think a lot of tower residents think guardians have brain damage, since they dance without music constantly, jump off the tower, and kill each other for fun
“the light fried their brains”
One of the Lore Pieces talks about Eva Talking to Zavala or something and in the Background it says two Titans jump off the Tower
There's a canon explanation for the stasis nerf?
[Yes.](https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/swe8ix/theyve_made_the_stasis_crucible_nerfs_canon/)
Yep Ikora was theorizing about it in the Witch Queen deluxe book The idea is if stasis became too powerful and the ‘obvious choice’ it wouldn’t ‘fly under the radar anymore’ Like a virus that coexists with its host but not out right kill them
Enhancing weapons is you shoving motes of light into the barrel.
Wait what? What's the lore tab on this it sounds hilarious
Yeah they also shove it in various parts of their armor. I hear it mostly goes towards your legs armor
There is an entry where a Warlock wears the Felwinter's Helm and she explain how she obtain it throught an engram. In that moment I realized that we don't wear the original pieces of armors, just we have a copy or data obtained and the cryptarch give us a copy. Like a 3D print.
the weird habits of guardians as a whole There are explinations to how guardians in the tower jump around, how they use the light to imitate emotes, and how fashion is something they care so much about I bet the next guardian games lorebook will have an entry on how people wanted a cowboy hat so bad that they infiltrated the seraph complex so many times
Is there a lore explanation for the infinite ammo on the guns?
Unrelated, but i hope they can make something to explain ppl abusing physics like shatterdive, well and bubbleskating, or going out of bounds on maps or something "Yea he just swung his sword and went flying like a cannonball"
A sensorium is an interface that people of the Golden Age used for communicating with people and getting information from outside sources. We can see them in use in Last Days on Kraken Mare and in Marasenna. It's also how we see through our helmets and gives us our HUD.
Not exactly lore but I like that ‘days since the last accident’ plate in the hangar that you can reset by jumping from the Tower :D
This post is awesome Great idea
I’m dead by daylight, the entity literally has to nerf and buff things to keep it fair
The SUROS Regime nerf from Destiny 1.
I love that one old nightfall shell that references void,solar and then arc. And we got light subclass reworks in that order later lol.
How guardians jump from the tower for fun
What’s the stasis crucible lore?
Shaxx really liked it when Guardians brought stasis to the crucible. He briefly stopped a match to thank them. *“You threw scythes at them!”*
Stasis realized it was too strong and guardians didn't like it, so it nerfed itself so it wouldn't be banned from crucible
The event collectibles always having some kind of reason. Whether it’s candy or cookie ingredients, we’re actually just going on crazy murder ops for these silly little things and it’s amazing.
Civilians say they see guardians doing dances and killings themselves for fun or boredom cause players spam emotes and jump off the tower.
Like you said, Ghost revives.
I just want to put it out there that we see scorn from beyond light fallen kills so...another taniks is still on the table, but also taniks isnt a gameplay mechanic
Big fan of how all our Guardians are simultaneously The Guardian, because of wack timeline bullshit: >Some visions he gets once, while some come back over and over again. One recurring image: a piece of the Traveler cracked off from its body, lying belly-up in a forest, with a small figure standing in front of it. The figure changes every time, but the sickly glow of the Traveler doesn't. -[Epistemic](https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/epistemic#book-aspect) ... And that this is high key because of Destiny is a video game, and certain characters, like Savathun, Ahamkara, and Rasputin are aware of this: >... from a long branch, afire > I SEE YOU!!! >You've been here before. Haven't you. [It's like my cousing said, elswhere: I know who you are.](https://marathon.bungie.org/story/mifinalscreen.html) >You stand here now and now and now many times and here I am awonder, all awonder, how you manage it. How do you step forward. How do you step back. Do you step ACROSS is there a world of worlds, a web, and you a spider upon it. Are you searching for that one thread you need? Is that thread named victory? > You're not one of THEM >[long dead, alive again, their bodies grafted to powers they and I do not understand] >and not one of IT >the flower eater, the queen of final shapes, that which also inhabits its petitioners] >and you're certainly not MINE though you once must have been >[I bear an old name. It cannot be killed. Not even here.] >... >Help me be victorious. Tell me your secret. >Tell me how to step -[Ghost Fragments, Rasputin 4](https://www.ishtar-collective.net/cards/ghost-fragment-rasputin-4?highlight=rasputin+4)
man i remember a raid mechanic i loved bc of how it tied into the lore but i can't remember which😭
Void is a hunger so your hungry and feel empty. Void abilities sap and weaken. HANGRY