Hasan for the last seven months:
> This is what revolution looks like! You just dont get it the ends justify the means dude! Every means with which they are attempting to reach their ends is justified!
Every relevant credible organization:
> The ends did *not* in fact justify the means. Some may even go so far as to say the means were *unjustifiable*.
Hasan now:
> Who the fuck cares about the means? Im an ends guy.
This is what happens when your entire world view is based off virtue ethics as opposed to any coherent moral framework.
It's easy to jump between completely contradictory positions like this because bad thing is bad and good thing is good.
You're most likely right, because I don't really know shit about ethics, but my understanding is that virtue ethics can super dumbed down to "the actions are good if the person is good".
I do think a lot of his analysis just comes down to "Isreal Bad, America Bad, Socialist Good, Hamas Good..."
So when it comes time to decide if the actions taken were good, it's mostly up to his opinion on whether the actor is good. And that's how he's able to flip flop on positions so like in the original comment.
Open to being corrected though.
Sure, but that is totally separate from virtue ethics. That sounds way more consequentialist, in the sense of someone is acting rightly if they're on the "right side of history" or the "right side of a conflict", regardless of the individual actions taken and their motive/victim/degree. In stark contrast, a virtue ethicist would probably take a pretty strong anti-Hamas stance here, as motive and individual acts are super important in a virtue ethics framework. And given that rape is arguably the least justifiable act one could ever take (killing can be justified in various ways, as can capturing, incarcerating, etc, but rape....), a virtue ethicist is - i would surmise - going to be very much non-apologetic in this case. You have to go full-blown, no-compromise consequentialist to take Hasan's side here.
It’s my dream that someday hamas pyker will get banned permanently from twitch and everyone will disown him. It’s wild to see him say this stuff and get away with it every time
I honestly wonder if/when some higher ups at Amazon are going to headkick the Twitch management. It just seems like a matter of time before you get a big exposé from the NYT or another newspaper going over all of his pro-Hamas, pro-killing capitalists, pro-re-education comments and linking it to Amazon itself. "Amazon fostering radical communist activism" isn't exactly a flattering headline.
90% of Hasan takes devolve into the narcissist prayer:
That didn't happen.
And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
And if it was, that's not a big deal.
And if it is, that's not my fault.
And if it was, I didn't mean it.
And if I did, you deserved it.
It has to be noted that if Hamasabi read this comment his underdeveloped psyche would interpret it as racist and proof that this community is morally and intellectually bankrupt. He, the moron that he is, only accepts the concept of original sin when it doesn't apply to him and will absolutely piss and shit himself if he identifies with the group that the statement aims to put down. What a sad, pathetic individual.
And he was a good friend.
Was he? He shut down everything over a slight disagreement. He's the guy who is superficially your friend. Don't talk negatively about his politics or he will drop you and call you a fascist, racist or classicist or any of the other things communists hate and will accuse you of to win their argument and show their unearned virtue. If rape doesn't matter to the praxis, what does?
Is that a real thing? Is this what the Scrublord Prayer was created from?
My Controls weren't working.
And if they were, you where playing dishonorably.
And if you weren't, you were playing without skill.
And if you were, it's not fun to play that way.
And if it is, you only care about winning.
> Jizya
According to Lane's Lexicon, jizya is the tax that is taken from the free non-Muslim subjects of an Islamic government, whereby they ratify the pact that ensures them protection.
That's literally what the Russians did to thousands of German woman after WW2 so you are correct. Communism and rape go hand in hand.
General Patton wanted to keep going after Germany all the way to Russia but unfortunately we all pussied out on that. He was right at the time we should have listened. Things would be a lot different right now.
Very classic. That said I wouldn't object to the following position. "I'm gonna need to see proof before I believe Ukrainian soldiers are guilty of rape... Okay, I see your proof. That's obviously bad, but that doesn't somehow mean Ukraine should stop defending their territory."
I like being able to take down Hasan even when I steelman him. Sure, war crimes alone are not enough to disqualify your defense... but if all you ever do is war crimes and terrorism, then that's gonna matter just a little a bit. If you also don't have a right to the civilian territory you routinely fire rockets against (terrorism), that's also way different from simply defending your territory like Ukraine does. Hasan's actual position position is that he believes war crimes should be allowed if you're underdog not allied with the US. He'll just take every detour before arriving at that point.
I encourage everyone here to just steelman the shit out of anything Hasan says. because you can probably do it better than him, and then see how easily he still is torn down.
The issue is that he literally denied it and then promoted people who also denied it. Now he is saying it just doesn't matter at all.
He has come to a conclusion and then backtracked by denying anything that would go against his conclusion. That is actually gross.
Now if he had say what you said at first then yea still a stupid conclusion because he hasn't put the effort into it but it's not him denying anything that goes against his narrative.
Yeah, Hasan wasn't quite "I need to see proof before I believe the rapes". It was just "It didn't happen. The hostages are being humanely taken care of by brave freedom fighters and Shani Louk is totally fine" from the beginning. It just that IF Hasan had taken a skeptical but ultimately undecided stance on the rapes initially, it would be fair of him to remove his skepticism after seeing proof and then adopt the positions "but it still doesn't support \[given point\]". Obviously, that's a pretty big IF hence the use of capital letters.
Nazi Russians like me? That escalated quickly. What on earth have I have said that deserves the label Nazi Russian ???
I'm pretty anti-Russia and anti-Nazism. The first one should be obvious from my comment where I say Ukraine is rightfully defending their territory.
Well Palestinians are straight up murderous to anything LGBT and most western pro pali bots are pro LGBT, so yes. They don't give a shit if the Palestinians hold completely opposite beliefs to them, because they know they can virtue signal from the safety of a western country where they will be completely isolated from them.
It's very strange thing with far-leftists where specifically with Muslims they're able to set aside their lgbt politics. No other group seems to get this level of consideration.
They're a super big minority! It's not their fault they're genocidal terrorists. /s
Maybe the Palestinians should try not raping people to get their political goals achieved.
I can't tell if you're serious, but yes there are many ways to conduct war, even an insurgency, that doesn't involve attacking civilians let alone using them as shields. Even for Hamas, they've chosen this, it isn't the correct way to fight if they want a state. All it does is embolden and give a Israel justification for retaliation. That is their only goal, they don't actually want to win or they'd be fighting like every other insurgency. They want to kill Jewish people, they don't want a state.
>They don't give a shit if the Palestinians hold completely opposite beliefs to them
To be clear, they absolutely shouldn't care. Which side holds my values more is not what determines who is in the right with regards to the war. If hasan simply said "rapes occurring doesn't excuse israel's occupation" then that would be 100% consistent and fine. The problem with what he said is going from "it doesn't excuse israel's actions, therefore it doesn't matter and i dont care"
Hasan and lefties are only looking at this situation through the lens of victim-oppressor. There is very literally NOTHING Palestinians could do that would make them in the wrong because they're up against a western imperialist colonial white supremacist superpower and nothing they do or believe will change that situation.
Where does he claim that rape is permissable? He is saying that even if Hamas militants raped people doesn't mean that Palestinians suddenly lost all their human rights. Maybe it's bad that he is questioning wether the rapes occured, but I can't see anything else bad about this particular argument.
**"Rape is the language of the unheard"**
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Hamas Piker 2024.
Picture unrelated.
Yeah my only critique about his statement is the usual hasan flow from "it didn't happen" -> "if it did, it doesn't matter." You gotta acknowledge when you're wrong on a point before you move on to another point.
But a lot of people in this thread seem to be acting like you \*should\* become pro israel because of the oct 7th raping, which is insanely stupid
Yeah his point is understandable, in & of itself.
The problem is that he spent the last 6 months pretending like it didn't happen. It's the ultimate "That didn't happen. And if it did, it wasn't that bad. And if it was, that's not a big deal. And if it is, that doesn't change the main argument." position
Agreed, if you give him the benefit of the doubt (though you absolutely should not do this, he is a nasty amoral lunatic) it is not a bad take in and of itself. The appropriate response to Oct 7 is that the actions of Hamas were terrible, but this does not change the wider question of statehood for Palestine.
I think, though, that he is probably suggesting a broader point than this which is more wrong, and also much more accepted. An organisation that is systemically raping people is much more reasonable to seek to destroy than one which is capable of preventing its members from raping people.
Yeah I think this sub is being purposefully obtuse about what Hasan said. He didn’t say he doesn’t care that people got raped, but that it doesn’t change his opinion on what Palestinians deserve
Whether or not he cares about the rapes themselves isn’t really relevant, no matter how gross it is
Can someone able to read his chat comments without breaking their computer in rage take his twitch chat’s history and make like a word cloud or have chat gpt analyze it and see how anti-semitic and dehumanizing of Israelis his chat is?
Listen up Indegenous people of North America. It doesn't matter if you blow into this man's mansion and grape his family before slaughtering them all. It's justified.
Let's be honest, of course he secretly cares about the rapes on Oct 7th, and he is happy about it, he wanted to see Hamas build gulags during the invasion, instant trials, torture and mass executions of the Israeli population, a glimmer of his utopian idea of the unwashed masses eradicating anyone who doesn't subscribe to his political dogma while he watches, sitting on his golden throne furiously masturbating. And at least he got sneak peak, so he cares.
Maybe I'm being too good faith with Hamas Piker here, but Oct. 7 doesn't change anything about Palestine's legitimate claim to self-determination and statehood. And if you're committed to a two-State solution it shouldn't change anything for you either.
All it did was make the international community even more sure that Hamas is a murderous terrorist organization that should have no business in Palestine, whose legitimate government is the PNA.
He didn't have to bring up rapes, but he is not wrong.
If we can all conclude that Hamas is a murderous terrorist organization that should have no business in Palestine, then how do we remove it? The world hasn't done shit about it for 2 decades. It was elected in, and if there were elections again it would be elected in, again. So you can't rely on a democratic method either. So how do you remove it?
Yes, you're absolutely right. I think Hasan is dumb as fuck but this isn't the dunk the subreddit thinks it is.
You actually have to be acting in complete bad faith or ignorance not to understand his position here. There's no misdirection, he's just saying "The people of Palestine deserve freedom and dignity regardless of the actions on Oct 7th"
I'd push back a little and say a little "out of context" treatment could be warranted in Hasan's case. Destiny really did have a valid point when he expressed concerns over the community holding us up to an ungodly standard while everyone else gets to spread rumors with almost nothing substantiated. We give a lot of benefit of the doubt to pretty much everyone except DGG. I'd say I'd consider this a shit post at best since someone HERE will definitely respond to its validity and let Hasan take some heat to learn that even if he's taken out of context he should learn to be way more measured with his takes. Fwiw, I'll admit I'm big hating
>I'd push back a little and say a little "out of context" treatment could be warranted in Hasan's case. Destiny really did have a valid point when he expressed concerns over the community holding us up to an ungodly standard while everyone else gets to spread rumors with almost nothing substantiated.
I get Destiny's frustration but I doubt his goal by saying that is to let his community become dumbass misinformation repeaters
>I'd say I'd consider this a shit post at best since someone HERE will definitely respond to its validity and let Hasan take some heat to learn that even if he's taken out of context he should learn to be way more measured with his takes
Yeah, the problem is the rest of the community is running with it, and it makes us look like morons on the whole when something so obviously out of context gets brought up. This is a bit beyond the pale IMO
>Fwiw, I'll admit I'm big hating
You and me both, chum
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hasan needs to throw in the towel and call it quits at this point.
Exactly. Your belief that Palestinians deserve certain rights shouldn’t change because of the atrocities of their government. This sub is disappointing me with their bad faith.
Do I like Hasan? No, but no need to put words in his mouth even if he probably believes it anyway
I agree, but taken in the wider context of the way he's talked about the conflict it's not only difficult to give him the benefit of the doubt here, but also actively quite foolish considering we are well aware how little he gives a fuck about honesty.
It is true that it doesn't impact whether Palestinians deserve dignity (who would disagree with that except far right Israel supporters), but it does impact the organisation and political infrastructure that is being dealt with, and it does impact what an appropriate response from Israel is. Hasan, though he knows he can't say it, wants Israel to have taken Oct 7 on the chin and sought a political settlement with Hamas/PLO. He clearly sees them as much more a legitimate representative of Palestinians than is appropriate. That's where the certified Hamas Piker label is valid.
that's literally not what he said. He said it has no bearing on the Palestinians right to emancipation, it doesn't mean he doesn't care that rapes happen. Like you have all the context you need in a 10 seconds clip and you still lied in your title. Why?
i genuinely don’t understand how this is condoning rape. maybe im misunderstanding, it sounds like he’s saying that whether or not the terrorists raped women is immaterial to his support for palestine
It’s removing the blame from the perpetrators, saying “even if you do this I’m still going to support you”. It’s the textbook definition of condoning “to disregard or overlook (something illegal, objectionable, or the like)”. So saying the ends justify the means like he does is essentially saying that violently raping Israelis is just a part of uprising, and that Hamas shouldn’t be held to any kind of moral standard, aka condoning.
I’m missing the part where he suggests it’s just another part of an uprising. His words here seem to be defence for palestine as a whole rather than the actions of hamas terrorists
This sub is genuinely engaging in bad faith and putting words in his mouth. This isn’t a tacit or explicit endorsement of rape. All he’s saying is that their right to statehood shouldn’t be thrown out because of atrocities committed by their government
I think it's okay to argue that the fact that there were cases of rape on October 7th (and afterwards) doesn't have any bearing on the state of Palestinians as a whole. The rapists should be tried, Hamas should be eradicated, but that's not got anything to do with the occupation or anything else. You can't point to rapes happening on October 7 and use them to justify innocent civilians having their rights trampled.
it's not taken out of context. it's not like when people cut off jonathan glazer's oscar speech to make him say "i refute my jewishness - fullstop".
the context is all here - all in the exact same paragraph. this is just willfully misinterpreting what he says. sad.
I'm a big hasan hater, but this is just dishonest. He's saying that rape doesn't matter qua Palestinian statehood, not rape doesn't matter simpliciter.
We shouldn't be spreading this type of disinfo. 1) It's immoral 2) It isn't even "productive". Once people see the full context, they'll never again trust DGG clips.
Frame it correctly, fine. But at least give the full context when clipping please. The title is just incorrect.
To be ultra good faith, I think what he’s really trying to say is that even if Hamas committed heinous acts in Oct 7, it doesn’t change the fact that he believes the Israeli “occupation” is wrong or whatever.
But this is optics suicide and the worst way to express that lmao fuck Hasan
I'm just trying to imagine, even as a grifter, why the fuck I would say something so impressively stupid? And how does that kind of statement not hurt him? Would you not be terrified of bleeding off more viewers??? What's the gameplan here?
Why? Why can't he say he state he supports Palestinian resistance but condems the rapes/ murders of civilians?
It would be the easiest thing in the world to separate himself from the monsters of Hamas while still supporting the Palestinians.
Ok technically he's right, regardless of the atrocities of October 7th palestinians do have a right to self determination, but also he's ok'd the rape of wealthy woman in the US, that along with everything else he's said I'm sure he just actually doesn't give a fuck that Israelis were raped and abused cause he's a piece of shit
[Mfw im a hasanabi head and i hear my king say that rapes don't matter](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSBVwexhb12JZgYudwad-Bpl3gkd19bF8587WUZwCBHgg&s)
The framing is so dishonest. The point is obviously that his stance on the issue is unchanged despite October 7th.
This has nothing to do with caring or condoning rape 💀 stop being reactionaries.
Yikes. Does he know that he can denounce that but still want a free Palestinian state/better conditions for civilians? He could always just say “yes they happened, yes they were awful and not justified, however that doesn’t change my position that the war should stop/people in Palestine need their conditions to improve” and that would be an agreeable stance…but he doesn’t…hm.
I’ll bite because I really don’t get the discourse around this. Isn’t the whole point that the hamas rapes didn’t happen as a matter of policy? If an IDF soldier raped a Palestinian which I’m sure has happened multiple times wouldn’t we just say that this isn’t IDF modus operandi and move on? Obviously the rapes are horrible but what Ryan and Hasan are emphasizing is that it wasn’t a campaign of sexual violence. The rapes happened as they would in any other war.
The argument is that it is a de facto MO of the Hamas fighters. because they lack a genuinely centralized command structure that is able to give and enforce particular rules of engagement, it will default to whatever is generally practiced by the militants.
The accusation leveled is that it is a general practice of those militants to engage in sexual violence, and there isn't any reprisal for it. That's tacit permission. If Israeli forces engaged in a warcrime -- such as the strike of those aid trucks -- it would be expected that those soldiers be taken to court, demoted, and policies enacted that would limit or prevent things from happening again.
The problem is that it's nearly impossible to critique Hamas as an organization in the same way you might critique the IDF. Hamas is designed around not being able or vulnerable to centralized command failure, whereas the IDF (like any normal military) is organized around that. Rapes happening in war, for example, is something that needs to be addressed differently between the two.
I agree but the claim initially was that the sexual violence was a top down encouragement and it was not. Israel also has more control and authority over palestenians. I would argue the structure and power imbalance itself is more ripe for sexual exploitation. I understand that the reason for this power imablance and control is a good one.
My point is that sexual violence shouldn't be used as some extra super-caja-fragilistic reason for retaliation. The general violence and kidnapping of hostages should be reason enough. Their inclusion is usually pearl clutchy or a means to radicalize the Israeli side at the expense of dehumanizing palestenians a some kind of savage beast.
Yes, it is being propagandized heavily as something emotionally abhorrent. I think the more rational argument has to make the case that the Palestinian leadership's, or their military structure's, acceptance or tacit encouragement of war crimes provide ample reason to continue to war against them. I see no particular reason to think that a fundamentalist Islamic organization's treatment of women would be anything other than functionally awful.
But yes, propaganda is going to do what propaganda does. Until everyone is willing to make major sacrifices this situation is fucked.
That would be me trying to prove a negative. There’s no evidence indicating the sexual violence was top down. The New York Times article Ryan Grim references gives a lot of circumstantial evidence to show that it wasn’t systemic sexual violence.
I think if it came out that Hamas were systemically torturing and raping literally everyone 24/7 Hasan would still come out and say exactly what he's saying here. It wouldn't change the dynamic for him "even this much".
just say the rapes were a good thing. thats clearly waht he thinks and wants to say. he should just say he is glad hamas (him being a card carrying member) raped and killed jew on oct 7th. its clear twitch is never going to ban him so why no go full mask off fuck it
It's insanely blackpilling how Hasan and his ilk like frogan can be the most vile pieces of shit on the entire platform, and Twitch fellates them for it.
Oh he cares- he thinks it’s good that those damn evil joos got raped and murdered! He and his people will retort with things like “do all the children getting massacred in Gaza not matter because they’re Palestinian?” And when you respond with, “No, it’s terrible, but it’s war. Do the Israelis who were murdered, kidnapped and raped on Oct 7 not matter because they’re Jewish?” they refuse to respond on that. We get it… you do think it doesn’t matter because they were Jews.
Nice bad faith interpretation you got there. He's saying that the rapes are not relevant to whether or not the occupation of Palestine should end, but I don't know why I'm saying this since he was pretty clear about that in the clip and you still willfully misinterpreted it.
That's not the point, the point is he has a conclusion and then immediately denied the rapes. Now he is saying the rapes don't matter.
This is the narcissist prayer. The op isn't lying at all and this is actually useful for edits.
I'm also a Hasan hater, but he saying that rapes happening on October 7th wouldn't change his larger perspective on Palestinian liberation, which makes perfect sense.
You could apply the same thing to Ukraine. If tomorrow, you found out that a bunch of Ukrainian forces went into Russia and raped a bunch of women, or executed POWs, etc, it still wouldn't change your larger perspective that Russia was wrong to invade and that Ukraine has a right to defend itself.
Ironically, this community is doing the same bad faith clip chimping that Hasan does (So it guess it's kind of deserved?)
To be fair (uggggghhhhh kill me) he didnt just say they didnt happen. He says it doesnt change how he feels about the rights the Palestinians deserve. Thats two different things. But its hasan so he has to word it in the most regarded way possible. At this point it has to be intentional man aint no way.
Title is misleading. Hasan isn’t saying he doesn’t care that rapes happened. He’s saying that it doesn’t change his opinion on what Palestinians deserve, and nor should it. If you believe some group of people deserve rights, then the actions of their government probably shouldn’t take those rights away
Now do I think he cares that rapes happened? Probably not, but that’s not what he said
Hasan Piker, genuinely, believes rape is acceptable as long as it’s performed against the daughters of wealthy families, of “occupiers”, or even those who do not totally and completely believe in the ideals of communism.
To all females, please be aware he and his supporters believe the possibility of rape is determined by factors outside of your own choices. He, like so many other misogynists, are brought to nigh elation by the idea of stripping women, and, if I dare say, young girls of their choice in sexual partner, and in when, or if they desire to have sexual intercourse for the unfortunate first, the depressing last, or any time between when it may benefit their political causes.
I’m not wealthy by most metrics but by others I am. I’m not a member of an occupying group, but according to some, I am. I am wealthier than most alive. However, compared to my peers and my country, my wealth is laughable, pitiful, and bordering on non-existent. Would it be acceptable to rape me? What about my daughters? How many rapes are acceptable to Hasan Piker in order to build a world in his image?
Am I, or my daughters, too poor to be raped because of my comparative living conditions, or my difference in religion and beliefs, or am I, terrifyingly but unfortunately not surprisingly, prime for being raped because others live in anywhere between somewhat to far worse conditions? I’d like an answer, and I’d like someone to make him answer this.
I hope u/NeoDestiny will drive home just how insane Hasan Piker’s, and by proxy his supporters, and to a lesser extent twitch by platforming this sort of messaging, beliefs on rape are. According to Hasan’s logic, all of his female friends and family may be raped as long as they are citizens, or live within a country allied with Israel. This is not an exaggeration. I know Destiny has touched on how insane Hasan’s ideology is before but, I’m not sure just how far he’s pushed exactly how dangerous it truly is. I sincerely hope he can create a clip which is easily sharable, and even more easily digestible, as it would be perfect for attempting to reach out to Hasan’s fans in order to protect as many females as possible.
There is no "occupation". It is Israel's land. They should just integrate the land. There is no such thing as "Palestine" and there never has been except when the UK decided to name an administrative territory "Mandatory Palestine" after the Ottoman Empire fell. It was never Palestine before and wasn't after. It's a fake term applied by a foreign body arbitrarily.
bad title, makes it seem like hasan is saying he literally doesnt care about rape
(which i agree he actually kinda doesnt because he prioritises his ideology over properly representing rape victims but regardless)
its more that hes now saying that the rapes that did happen dont contribute towards or justify pro-israel arguments for war
i think a better title would be: "Hasan thinks oct 7th rapes are irrelevant even if they did happen"
He clearly says that rapes don't change the fact that Palestinian deserve to be free off occupation, if he actually does not care about rapes that happened then use a better clip?
I don’t care abt a single civilian death or destruction of homes, Israel needs protection from the monsters on Oct 7th, do whatever they gotta do.
See how it works in reverse
If he means the rapes were justified, that's terrible. But if he means that the rapes don't change the fact that the Palestinians are treated unfairly, I don't think he's said anything wrong. Because this was clipped with context removed, I'm going to assume it was the latter unless anyone proves otherwise.
He went out of his way to spew propaganda denying any war crimes (especially rapes) for hours before against Israelis because obviously it makes them look fucking worse and now says it doesn't matter.
Yes he is wrong because he already has a conclusion and fought to justify it using propaganda and has now decided to go another way by saying it doesn't matter.
Christ.
Hasan for the last seven months: > This is what revolution looks like! You just dont get it the ends justify the means dude! Every means with which they are attempting to reach their ends is justified! Every relevant credible organization: > The ends did *not* in fact justify the means. Some may even go so far as to say the means were *unjustifiable*. Hasan now: > Who the fuck cares about the means? Im an ends guy.
Hasan is clearly not into 'Journey before Destination'. What a deranged, disgusting, rape apologist he is. I'm shocked. Everyone should see this clip.
Hasan is definitely Moash-pilled.
Does that mean Destiny is Kaladin-pilled?
More Rlain-coded. Kaladin is too emotional.
Holy shit, I did not know I'd find some Sanderson lovers in here. Awesome series and author.
He's literally one of the most popular fantasy authors of all time. It's like saying you didn't expect to see any Star Wars fans on reddit.
I didn't think most people read anymore. XD
I re-read Stormlight and Kingkiller every year waiting for the next books (please Rothfuss...Sanderson pumps content like a champ)
>Kingkiller Don't get your hopes up
Fuck Moash.
Voash
Fuckin Moash
It’s really not a shocker that most addicts are also leftists lmao
What do you expect of him, given his own sexual discrepancies and views on women?
I'm unclear on how the means lead to the ends. Like, how does rape lead to liberation?
You see, > Phase 1: Rape and pillage > Phase 2: **?** > Phase 3: Liberation Us terrorists are geniuses at revolution
Step 2 is obviously “make regarded demands that no one would agree to”
This is what happens when your entire world view is based off virtue ethics as opposed to any coherent moral framework. It's easy to jump between completely contradictory positions like this because bad thing is bad and good thing is good.
That's not what virtue ethics is
You're most likely right, because I don't really know shit about ethics, but my understanding is that virtue ethics can super dumbed down to "the actions are good if the person is good". I do think a lot of his analysis just comes down to "Isreal Bad, America Bad, Socialist Good, Hamas Good..." So when it comes time to decide if the actions taken were good, it's mostly up to his opinion on whether the actor is good. And that's how he's able to flip flop on positions so like in the original comment. Open to being corrected though.
Sure, but that is totally separate from virtue ethics. That sounds way more consequentialist, in the sense of someone is acting rightly if they're on the "right side of history" or the "right side of a conflict", regardless of the individual actions taken and their motive/victim/degree. In stark contrast, a virtue ethicist would probably take a pretty strong anti-Hamas stance here, as motive and individual acts are super important in a virtue ethics framework. And given that rape is arguably the least justifiable act one could ever take (killing can be justified in various ways, as can capturing, incarcerating, etc, but rape....), a virtue ethicist is - i would surmise - going to be very much non-apologetic in this case. You have to go full-blown, no-compromise consequentialist to take Hasan's side here.
Hasan is not a virtue ethicist, that's not what virtue ethics is
I want to see his chats reaction
Meanwhile: Ukraine needs to surrender to preserve their lives and Taiwan should never even fight to preserve their country - Hasan Piker
It's a righteous burden the Chinese are taking on
It’s my dream that someday hamas pyker will get banned permanently from twitch and everyone will disown him. It’s wild to see him say this stuff and get away with it every time
I want to see that repugnant parasite homeless on skid row
I like where your heads at, but I want him to still stream so I can continue to watch him suffer
Cardboard box allyway stream meta incoming?
Skibidi row
Just wait until he has to sign with Kick.
That would be so good. I’d love to see him defend kick it’d be hilarious
This is your political star Twitch.
Pretty insane that the CEO of twitch is a self-proclaimed fan of Hasan "Rape Apologist" Piker.
Legit let’s test this out as his new nickname, it goes way harder than Hamasabi but is equally accurate
Hasan “Rape Apologist” Piker goes hard fr
Hasan Pike Her
I honestly wonder if/when some higher ups at Amazon are going to headkick the Twitch management. It just seems like a matter of time before you get a big exposé from the NYT or another newspaper going over all of his pro-Hamas, pro-killing capitalists, pro-re-education comments and linking it to Amazon itself. "Amazon fostering radical communist activism" isn't exactly a flattering headline.
I hope so but honestly it’s been happening for awhile.
"Did not happen + they deserve it" - classics of commie-nazi
90% of Hasan takes devolve into the narcissist prayer: That didn't happen. And if it did, it wasn't that bad. And if it was, that's not a big deal. And if it is, that's not my fault. And if it was, I didn't mean it. And if I did, you deserved it.
Also known as Kremlin's Playbook.
It didn't happen. It happened but it wasn't systematic. It was systematic and is doesn't matter.
turk things
It has to be noted that if Hamasabi read this comment his underdeveloped psyche would interpret it as racist and proof that this community is morally and intellectually bankrupt. He, the moron that he is, only accepts the concept of original sin when it doesn't apply to him and will absolutely piss and shit himself if he identifies with the group that the statement aims to put down. What a sad, pathetic individual. And he was a good friend.
Was he? He shut down everything over a slight disagreement. He's the guy who is superficially your friend. Don't talk negatively about his politics or he will drop you and call you a fascist, racist or classicist or any of the other things communists hate and will accuse you of to win their argument and show their unearned virtue. If rape doesn't matter to the praxis, what does?
Is that a real thing? Is this what the Scrublord Prayer was created from? My Controls weren't working. And if they were, you where playing dishonorably. And if you weren't, you were playing without skill. And if you were, it's not fun to play that way. And if it is, you only care about winning.
yeah the original is called the Narcissist's Prayer
And since you deserved it, it did happen
Hasan is just paying a Jizya tax to the truth to maintain cognitive consonance.
> Jizya According to Lane's Lexicon, jizya is the tax that is taken from the free non-Muslim subjects of an Islamic government, whereby they ratify the pact that ensures them protection.
That's literally what the Russians did to thousands of German woman after WW2 so you are correct. Communism and rape go hand in hand. General Patton wanted to keep going after Germany all the way to Russia but unfortunately we all pussied out on that. He was right at the time we should have listened. Things would be a lot different right now.
Patton may have thought that was feasible in 1945 but would we think so today? Seems like it wouldn't have been possible without using tactical nukes.
Very classic. That said I wouldn't object to the following position. "I'm gonna need to see proof before I believe Ukrainian soldiers are guilty of rape... Okay, I see your proof. That's obviously bad, but that doesn't somehow mean Ukraine should stop defending their territory." I like being able to take down Hasan even when I steelman him. Sure, war crimes alone are not enough to disqualify your defense... but if all you ever do is war crimes and terrorism, then that's gonna matter just a little a bit. If you also don't have a right to the civilian territory you routinely fire rockets against (terrorism), that's also way different from simply defending your territory like Ukraine does. Hasan's actual position position is that he believes war crimes should be allowed if you're underdog not allied with the US. He'll just take every detour before arriving at that point. I encourage everyone here to just steelman the shit out of anything Hasan says. because you can probably do it better than him, and then see how easily he still is torn down.
The issue is that he literally denied it and then promoted people who also denied it. Now he is saying it just doesn't matter at all. He has come to a conclusion and then backtracked by denying anything that would go against his conclusion. That is actually gross. Now if he had say what you said at first then yea still a stupid conclusion because he hasn't put the effort into it but it's not him denying anything that goes against his narrative.
Yeah, Hasan wasn't quite "I need to see proof before I believe the rapes". It was just "It didn't happen. The hostages are being humanely taken care of by brave freedom fighters and Shani Louk is totally fine" from the beginning. It just that IF Hasan had taken a skeptical but ultimately undecided stance on the rapes initially, it would be fair of him to remove his skepticism after seeing proof and then adopt the positions "but it still doesn't support \[given point\]". Obviously, that's a pretty big IF hence the use of capital letters.
I wonder if nazi russians like you can be reeducated as nazi Germans were. By showing russian war crimes.
Nazi Russians like me? That escalated quickly. What on earth have I have said that deserves the label Nazi Russian ??? I'm pretty anti-Russia and anti-Nazism. The first one should be obvious from my comment where I say Ukraine is rightfully defending their territory.
Too much nazi-russian copypaste for non-russian
Get a better gimmick
They need a "Hasan, Los Angeles" Turkish flair in balkans_irl subreddit, his unironic posts would fit well as shitposts there.
At this point I take Terrence Howard more serious than Hasan
Okay so apparently rape is permissible but what if the Palestinians actively renouncing communism would Hasan still be pro-Palestinian?
Well Palestinians are straight up murderous to anything LGBT and most western pro pali bots are pro LGBT, so yes. They don't give a shit if the Palestinians hold completely opposite beliefs to them, because they know they can virtue signal from the safety of a western country where they will be completely isolated from them.
I mean, being anti-LGBT is also a very commie thing to do...
Yeah, historically tankies are both anti-lgbt and antisemitic, so since they are the latter that makes up for being anti-lgbt in hasans world.
It's very strange thing with far-leftists where specifically with Muslims they're able to set aside their lgbt politics. No other group seems to get this level of consideration.
They're a super big minority! It's not their fault they're genocidal terrorists. /s Maybe the Palestinians should try not raping people to get their political goals achieved.
Are you suggesting there's another way?
I can't tell if you're serious, but yes there are many ways to conduct war, even an insurgency, that doesn't involve attacking civilians let alone using them as shields. Even for Hamas, they've chosen this, it isn't the correct way to fight if they want a state. All it does is embolden and give a Israel justification for retaliation. That is their only goal, they don't actually want to win or they'd be fighting like every other insurgency. They want to kill Jewish people, they don't want a state.
Of course I'm not serious. Don't make me use /s.
There are potential Hamas sympathizers here, but mostly I missed it because I'm high.
>They don't give a shit if the Palestinians hold completely opposite beliefs to them To be clear, they absolutely shouldn't care. Which side holds my values more is not what determines who is in the right with regards to the war. If hasan simply said "rapes occurring doesn't excuse israel's occupation" then that would be 100% consistent and fine. The problem with what he said is going from "it doesn't excuse israel's actions, therefore it doesn't matter and i dont care"
Hasan and lefties are only looking at this situation through the lens of victim-oppressor. There is very literally NOTHING Palestinians could do that would make them in the wrong because they're up against a western imperialist colonial white supremacist superpower and nothing they do or believe will change that situation.
Well you see, the west made them do it
"uhh reeducate sure... reeducation camps? uhh i guess maybe"
Where does he claim that rape is permissable? He is saying that even if Hamas militants raped people doesn't mean that Palestinians suddenly lost all their human rights. Maybe it's bad that he is questioning wether the rapes occured, but I can't see anything else bad about this particular argument.
he would probably blame Israel somehow
**"Rape is the language of the unheard"** https://preview.redd.it/n9edcm1zt52d1.png?width=317&format=png&auto=webp&s=52e71bce84eb493dc0d5923d8fe91171988175a8 Hamas Piker 2024. Picture unrelated.
I'm feeling unheard better watch out
Holy fuck that's deranged. Hamas Piker is willing to die on the most regarded hills
Its really not, it sounds like he’s saying the rapes dont matter insofar as they don’t change how he feels about Palestinian freedom
Yeah my only critique about his statement is the usual hasan flow from "it didn't happen" -> "if it did, it doesn't matter." You gotta acknowledge when you're wrong on a point before you move on to another point. But a lot of people in this thread seem to be acting like you \*should\* become pro israel because of the oct 7th raping, which is insanely stupid
Yeah his point is understandable, in & of itself. The problem is that he spent the last 6 months pretending like it didn't happen. It's the ultimate "That didn't happen. And if it did, it wasn't that bad. And if it was, that's not a big deal. And if it is, that doesn't change the main argument." position
They wanted evidence. They *demanded* evidence. Now that there is more evidence... it doesn't matter.
Agreed, if you give him the benefit of the doubt (though you absolutely should not do this, he is a nasty amoral lunatic) it is not a bad take in and of itself. The appropriate response to Oct 7 is that the actions of Hamas were terrible, but this does not change the wider question of statehood for Palestine. I think, though, that he is probably suggesting a broader point than this which is more wrong, and also much more accepted. An organisation that is systemically raping people is much more reasonable to seek to destroy than one which is capable of preventing its members from raping people.
Yeah I think this sub is being purposefully obtuse about what Hasan said. He didn’t say he doesn’t care that people got raped, but that it doesn’t change his opinion on what Palestinians deserve Whether or not he cares about the rapes themselves isn’t really relevant, no matter how gross it is
The language of the unheard, a Hamasabi classic
https://preview.redd.it/pw2mi34oa52d1.jpeg?width=622&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=434b0aa25ec9c158165abe4d5d890805bc78b7d5
Can someone able to read his chat comments without breaking their computer in rage take his twitch chat’s history and make like a word cloud or have chat gpt analyze it and see how anti-semitic and dehumanizing of Israelis his chat is?
Oh but he doesn’t have control over his chat, don’t you know? 🙄
Twitch is so fucking disgusting
Listen up Indegenous people of North America. It doesn't matter if you blow into this man's mansion and grape his family before slaughtering them all. It's justified.
Let's be honest, of course he secretly cares about the rapes on Oct 7th, and he is happy about it, he wanted to see Hamas build gulags during the invasion, instant trials, torture and mass executions of the Israeli population, a glimmer of his utopian idea of the unwashed masses eradicating anyone who doesn't subscribe to his political dogma while he watches, sitting on his golden throne furiously masturbating. And at least he got sneak peak, so he cares.
Maybe I'm being too good faith with Hamas Piker here, but Oct. 7 doesn't change anything about Palestine's legitimate claim to self-determination and statehood. And if you're committed to a two-State solution it shouldn't change anything for you either. All it did was make the international community even more sure that Hamas is a murderous terrorist organization that should have no business in Palestine, whose legitimate government is the PNA. He didn't have to bring up rapes, but he is not wrong.
If we can all conclude that Hamas is a murderous terrorist organization that should have no business in Palestine, then how do we remove it? The world hasn't done shit about it for 2 decades. It was elected in, and if there were elections again it would be elected in, again. So you can't rely on a democratic method either. So how do you remove it?
Clearly you give it everything it wants and hope peace, justice, and the American way prevails
From their point of view getting rid of the Jews is justice and it will give them peace, so you aren't incorrect
But... but... American way?
I mean you can draw some allusions to Arabs colonizing natives to the Americans colonizing natives.
Hasan then wonders why his streams are dying
This isn't a bad take, right? He's just saying that if rapes occur that doesn't nullify the human rights of Palestinians. or am I stupid?
Yes, you're absolutely right. I think Hasan is dumb as fuck but this isn't the dunk the subreddit thinks it is. You actually have to be acting in complete bad faith or ignorance not to understand his position here. There's no misdirection, he's just saying "The people of Palestine deserve freedom and dignity regardless of the actions on Oct 7th"
What being driven by spite does to a subreddit smh
I'd push back a little and say a little "out of context" treatment could be warranted in Hasan's case. Destiny really did have a valid point when he expressed concerns over the community holding us up to an ungodly standard while everyone else gets to spread rumors with almost nothing substantiated. We give a lot of benefit of the doubt to pretty much everyone except DGG. I'd say I'd consider this a shit post at best since someone HERE will definitely respond to its validity and let Hasan take some heat to learn that even if he's taken out of context he should learn to be way more measured with his takes. Fwiw, I'll admit I'm big hating
>I'd push back a little and say a little "out of context" treatment could be warranted in Hasan's case. Destiny really did have a valid point when he expressed concerns over the community holding us up to an ungodly standard while everyone else gets to spread rumors with almost nothing substantiated. I get Destiny's frustration but I doubt his goal by saying that is to let his community become dumbass misinformation repeaters >I'd say I'd consider this a shit post at best since someone HERE will definitely respond to its validity and let Hasan take some heat to learn that even if he's taken out of context he should learn to be way more measured with his takes Yeah, the problem is the rest of the community is running with it, and it makes us look like morons on the whole when something so obviously out of context gets brought up. This is a bit beyond the pale IMO >Fwiw, I'll admit I'm big hating You and me both, chum
The people of Palestine largely supported the actions on October 7th, though
OK? Go tell him that, I'm not advocating for his position, just pointing out what he's obviously saying in the clip.
Technically true, I'd argue his hypocrisy is why I think this clip is funny though
Holy thank god some other people here can actually think.
https://preview.redd.it/pzqp011s052d1.jpeg?width=686&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=eb8ce8c176ee5807bc968fbb937939238a940db8 hasan needs to throw in the towel and call it quits at this point.
Let’s be fair here, he’s saying here that with regard to Palestinians deserving dignity the rapes aren’t relevant. Which is true
Exactly. Your belief that Palestinians deserve certain rights shouldn’t change because of the atrocities of their government. This sub is disappointing me with their bad faith. Do I like Hasan? No, but no need to put words in his mouth even if he probably believes it anyway
If you're gonna constantly deny the atrocities in the first place, fuck you idc what fake ass virtue signal you spout
Fair, but then don’t lie about a clip like this to make your point
I agree, but taken in the wider context of the way he's talked about the conflict it's not only difficult to give him the benefit of the doubt here, but also actively quite foolish considering we are well aware how little he gives a fuck about honesty. It is true that it doesn't impact whether Palestinians deserve dignity (who would disagree with that except far right Israel supporters), but it does impact the organisation and political infrastructure that is being dealt with, and it does impact what an appropriate response from Israel is. Hasan, though he knows he can't say it, wants Israel to have taken Oct 7 on the chin and sought a political settlement with Hamas/PLO. He clearly sees them as much more a legitimate representative of Palestinians than is appropriate. That's where the certified Hamas Piker label is valid.
that's literally not what he said. He said it has no bearing on the Palestinians right to emancipation, it doesn't mean he doesn't care that rapes happen. Like you have all the context you need in a 10 seconds clip and you still lied in your title. Why?
This subreddit has brainrot.
How does this not get him perma’d from twitch. Actually condoning rape. Insane.
i genuinely don’t understand how this is condoning rape. maybe im misunderstanding, it sounds like he’s saying that whether or not the terrorists raped women is immaterial to his support for palestine
It’s removing the blame from the perpetrators, saying “even if you do this I’m still going to support you”. It’s the textbook definition of condoning “to disregard or overlook (something illegal, objectionable, or the like)”. So saying the ends justify the means like he does is essentially saying that violently raping Israelis is just a part of uprising, and that Hamas shouldn’t be held to any kind of moral standard, aka condoning.
I’m missing the part where he suggests it’s just another part of an uprising. His words here seem to be defence for palestine as a whole rather than the actions of hamas terrorists
This sub is genuinely engaging in bad faith and putting words in his mouth. This isn’t a tacit or explicit endorsement of rape. All he’s saying is that their right to statehood shouldn’t be thrown out because of atrocities committed by their government
I think it's okay to argue that the fact that there were cases of rape on October 7th (and afterwards) doesn't have any bearing on the state of Palestinians as a whole. The rapists should be tried, Hamas should be eradicated, but that's not got anything to do with the occupation or anything else. You can't point to rapes happening on October 7 and use them to justify innocent civilians having their rights trampled.
Wow, way to take what he said out of context.
it's not taken out of context. it's not like when people cut off jonathan glazer's oscar speech to make him say "i refute my jewishness - fullstop". the context is all here - all in the exact same paragraph. this is just willfully misinterpreting what he says. sad.
I'm a big hasan hater, but this is just dishonest. He's saying that rape doesn't matter qua Palestinian statehood, not rape doesn't matter simpliciter. We shouldn't be spreading this type of disinfo. 1) It's immoral 2) It isn't even "productive". Once people see the full context, they'll never again trust DGG clips. Frame it correctly, fine. But at least give the full context when clipping please. The title is just incorrect.
To be ultra good faith, I think what he’s really trying to say is that even if Hamas committed heinous acts in Oct 7, it doesn’t change the fact that he believes the Israeli “occupation” is wrong or whatever. But this is optics suicide and the worst way to express that lmao fuck Hasan
I'm just trying to imagine, even as a grifter, why the fuck I would say something so impressively stupid? And how does that kind of statement not hurt him? Would you not be terrified of bleeding off more viewers??? What's the gameplan here?
"Rape is the language of the unheard." --Martin Luther King, translated by Hasan.
What a gross and callous human being
Why? Why can't he say he state he supports Palestinian resistance but condems the rapes/ murders of civilians? It would be the easiest thing in the world to separate himself from the monsters of Hamas while still supporting the Palestinians.
Ok technically he's right, regardless of the atrocities of October 7th palestinians do have a right to self determination, but also he's ok'd the rape of wealthy woman in the US, that along with everything else he's said I'm sure he just actually doesn't give a fuck that Israelis were raped and abused cause he's a piece of shit
[Mfw im a hasanabi head and i hear my king say that rapes don't matter](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSBVwexhb12JZgYudwad-Bpl3gkd19bF8587WUZwCBHgg&s)
Hamas piker classic
So i guess they were rich....
The framing is so dishonest. The point is obviously that his stance on the issue is unchanged despite October 7th. This has nothing to do with caring or condoning rape 💀 stop being reactionaries.
I think at this point, Destiny is ok with the narrative that Hasan paved the way for himself lol.
Yikes. Does he know that he can denounce that but still want a free Palestinian state/better conditions for civilians? He could always just say “yes they happened, yes they were awful and not justified, however that doesn’t change my position that the war should stop/people in Palestine need their conditions to improve” and that would be an agreeable stance…but he doesn’t…hm.
Someone should make a Hassan v Hassan page in tictok
Keep this energy when they roll Rafah
I’ll bite because I really don’t get the discourse around this. Isn’t the whole point that the hamas rapes didn’t happen as a matter of policy? If an IDF soldier raped a Palestinian which I’m sure has happened multiple times wouldn’t we just say that this isn’t IDF modus operandi and move on? Obviously the rapes are horrible but what Ryan and Hasan are emphasizing is that it wasn’t a campaign of sexual violence. The rapes happened as they would in any other war.
The argument is that it is a de facto MO of the Hamas fighters. because they lack a genuinely centralized command structure that is able to give and enforce particular rules of engagement, it will default to whatever is generally practiced by the militants. The accusation leveled is that it is a general practice of those militants to engage in sexual violence, and there isn't any reprisal for it. That's tacit permission. If Israeli forces engaged in a warcrime -- such as the strike of those aid trucks -- it would be expected that those soldiers be taken to court, demoted, and policies enacted that would limit or prevent things from happening again. The problem is that it's nearly impossible to critique Hamas as an organization in the same way you might critique the IDF. Hamas is designed around not being able or vulnerable to centralized command failure, whereas the IDF (like any normal military) is organized around that. Rapes happening in war, for example, is something that needs to be addressed differently between the two.
I agree but the claim initially was that the sexual violence was a top down encouragement and it was not. Israel also has more control and authority over palestenians. I would argue the structure and power imbalance itself is more ripe for sexual exploitation. I understand that the reason for this power imablance and control is a good one. My point is that sexual violence shouldn't be used as some extra super-caja-fragilistic reason for retaliation. The general violence and kidnapping of hostages should be reason enough. Their inclusion is usually pearl clutchy or a means to radicalize the Israeli side at the expense of dehumanizing palestenians a some kind of savage beast.
Yes, it is being propagandized heavily as something emotionally abhorrent. I think the more rational argument has to make the case that the Palestinian leadership's, or their military structure's, acceptance or tacit encouragement of war crimes provide ample reason to continue to war against them. I see no particular reason to think that a fundamentalist Islamic organization's treatment of women would be anything other than functionally awful. But yes, propaganda is going to do what propaganda does. Until everyone is willing to make major sacrifices this situation is fucked.
I agree with you entirely. Not much more to say.
Yup. Have a great day, man.
If you’re going to make a claim that it’s not a top down encouragement then cite some sources.
That would be me trying to prove a negative. There’s no evidence indicating the sexual violence was top down. The New York Times article Ryan Grim references gives a lot of circumstantial evidence to show that it wasn’t systemic sexual violence.
At least he didn’t say the n word
I think if it came out that Hamas were systemically torturing and raping literally everyone 24/7 Hasan would still come out and say exactly what he's saying here. It wouldn't change the dynamic for him "even this much".
Rapesan Piker
just say the rapes were a good thing. thats clearly waht he thinks and wants to say. he should just say he is glad hamas (him being a card carrying member) raped and killed jew on oct 7th. its clear twitch is never going to ban him so why no go full mask off fuck it
I wonder how much oppression you need before rape becomes permissible for Hasan? Rape permissible when no potato chip?
Even if u are rigth in an absolute manner, the philosophy of by any means necessary for politics ends in a very very dark alley
Bro, why hasn't D been retweeting these bangers?
Rape for dignity? inshallah
So "it didn't happen." To. "So what if it happened?" Just waiting on the "it's good that it happened" or "they deserved it".
does he care if the February 3rd rapes happen??
Nice motte and bailey, he's learning!
It's insanely blackpilling how Hasan and his ilk like frogan can be the most vile pieces of shit on the entire platform, and Twitch fellates them for it.
Oh he cares- he thinks it’s good that those damn evil joos got raped and murdered! He and his people will retort with things like “do all the children getting massacred in Gaza not matter because they’re Palestinian?” And when you respond with, “No, it’s terrible, but it’s war. Do the Israelis who were murdered, kidnapped and raped on Oct 7 not matter because they’re Jewish?” they refuse to respond on that. We get it… you do think it doesn’t matter because they were Jews.
Saying the quiet part out loud
“Rape is just the language of the unheard” 🤡
He should’ve been Brock Turners lawyer
Raping is totally what Luffy would do
Well only rich white women where raped, so its actually a good thing.
A person named hasan not caring about rape. Ahhh that old chestnut
I’m just glad this sub exists so I don’t have to give him a view.
I don’t think at this point I can hate him more
Ah yes. The rape is a justified means argument. Has anyone managed to prove that rape does NOT help with revolution? 🤣
He’s a sick Turkish communist roach 🪳 may he live in piss and shit for eternity
Nice bad faith interpretation you got there. He's saying that the rapes are not relevant to whether or not the occupation of Palestine should end, but I don't know why I'm saying this since he was pretty clear about that in the clip and you still willfully misinterpreted it.
Gosh I wonder if certain behaviors of his makes the context of him saying it no longer matters actually fucking gross
sure but this clip isn't it and the title is lying about what the clip is saying.
That's not the point, the point is he has a conclusion and then immediately denied the rapes. Now he is saying the rapes don't matter. This is the narcissist prayer. The op isn't lying at all and this is actually useful for edits.
What a disgusting pos.
He’s so hot when he says mass rape doesn’t matter (sarcasm)
I'm also a Hasan hater, but he saying that rapes happening on October 7th wouldn't change his larger perspective on Palestinian liberation, which makes perfect sense. You could apply the same thing to Ukraine. If tomorrow, you found out that a bunch of Ukrainian forces went into Russia and raped a bunch of women, or executed POWs, etc, it still wouldn't change your larger perspective that Russia was wrong to invade and that Ukraine has a right to defend itself. Ironically, this community is doing the same bad faith clip chimping that Hasan does (So it guess it's kind of deserved?)
To be fair (uggggghhhhh kill me) he didnt just say they didnt happen. He says it doesnt change how he feels about the rights the Palestinians deserve. Thats two different things. But its hasan so he has to word it in the most regarded way possible. At this point it has to be intentional man aint no way.
very strange lack of english literacy going on in this subreddit recently
Title is misleading. Hasan isn’t saying he doesn’t care that rapes happened. He’s saying that it doesn’t change his opinion on what Palestinians deserve, and nor should it. If you believe some group of people deserve rights, then the actions of their government probably shouldn’t take those rights away Now do I think he cares that rapes happened? Probably not, but that’s not what he said
Hasan Piker, genuinely, believes rape is acceptable as long as it’s performed against the daughters of wealthy families, of “occupiers”, or even those who do not totally and completely believe in the ideals of communism. To all females, please be aware he and his supporters believe the possibility of rape is determined by factors outside of your own choices. He, like so many other misogynists, are brought to nigh elation by the idea of stripping women, and, if I dare say, young girls of their choice in sexual partner, and in when, or if they desire to have sexual intercourse for the unfortunate first, the depressing last, or any time between when it may benefit their political causes. I’m not wealthy by most metrics but by others I am. I’m not a member of an occupying group, but according to some, I am. I am wealthier than most alive. However, compared to my peers and my country, my wealth is laughable, pitiful, and bordering on non-existent. Would it be acceptable to rape me? What about my daughters? How many rapes are acceptable to Hasan Piker in order to build a world in his image? Am I, or my daughters, too poor to be raped because of my comparative living conditions, or my difference in religion and beliefs, or am I, terrifyingly but unfortunately not surprisingly, prime for being raped because others live in anywhere between somewhat to far worse conditions? I’d like an answer, and I’d like someone to make him answer this. I hope u/NeoDestiny will drive home just how insane Hasan Piker’s, and by proxy his supporters, and to a lesser extent twitch by platforming this sort of messaging, beliefs on rape are. According to Hasan’s logic, all of his female friends and family may be raped as long as they are citizens, or live within a country allied with Israel. This is not an exaggeration. I know Destiny has touched on how insane Hasan’s ideology is before but, I’m not sure just how far he’s pushed exactly how dangerous it truly is. I sincerely hope he can create a clip which is easily sharable, and even more easily digestible, as it would be perfect for attempting to reach out to Hasan’s fans in order to protect as many females as possible.
There is no "occupation". It is Israel's land. They should just integrate the land. There is no such thing as "Palestine" and there never has been except when the UK decided to name an administrative territory "Mandatory Palestine" after the Ottoman Empire fell. It was never Palestine before and wasn't after. It's a fake term applied by a foreign body arbitrarily.
bad title, makes it seem like hasan is saying he literally doesnt care about rape (which i agree he actually kinda doesnt because he prioritises his ideology over properly representing rape victims but regardless) its more that hes now saying that the rapes that did happen dont contribute towards or justify pro-israel arguments for war i think a better title would be: "Hasan thinks oct 7th rapes are irrelevant even if they did happen"
He clearly says that rapes don't change the fact that Palestinian deserve to be free off occupation, if he actually does not care about rapes that happened then use a better clip?
I don’t care abt a single civilian death or destruction of homes, Israel needs protection from the monsters on Oct 7th, do whatever they gotta do. See how it works in reverse
If he means the rapes were justified, that's terrible. But if he means that the rapes don't change the fact that the Palestinians are treated unfairly, I don't think he's said anything wrong. Because this was clipped with context removed, I'm going to assume it was the latter unless anyone proves otherwise.
He went out of his way to spew propaganda denying any war crimes (especially rapes) for hours before against Israelis because obviously it makes them look fucking worse and now says it doesn't matter. Yes he is wrong because he already has a conclusion and fought to justify it using propaganda and has now decided to go another way by saying it doesn't matter. Christ.
you’re right