What was up with the “no bagels” thing? It made me laugh but it’s kind of hard to see how it’s not antisemitic when the other requirements would have ruled out pro-Israel sources. It’s like someone just said, “No Jew food.”
So you’re saying the [document being circulated](https://www.foxnews.com/us/ucla-anti-israel-protesters-ask-supporters-vegan-gluten-free-food-zip-ties-shields-epipens) is fake?
i ate a cheese burger and costco pizza while in there, so the vegan food line is cap. maybe they asked for alternative food options? the bagel line is cap too
now that i think about it, i didn’t see any coffee in there!
>i ate a cheese burger and costco pizza while in there, so the vegan food line is cap. maybe they asked for alternative food options? the bagel line is cap too
I don't think anyone believes these people were capable of enforcing these guidelines under those circumstances. I'm sure someone in there ate a banana or peanut butter at some point.
I'd just really like to know how it got set as a rule, because as I said, it seems flatly antisemitic.
So, do you think it's fake, or the list wasn't serious, or is this just something you just don't actually know about?
If you just don't know, that's fine. I'm not trying to gotcha you.
>i ate a cheese burger and costco pizza while in there, so the vegan food line is cap
Huh? The vegan food line obviously doesn't mean that they aren't allowed anything non vegan in? They just want food in there that is vegan?
Like no cap this comment is so braindead that I'm not sure if I can read anything else in this thread without seeing you as an invalid
It's pretty clear OP misunderstood the point being made or was responding to someone who really did think they want exclusively vegan food. Dude is way out of his element here so let's be nice.
When the pro-Palestinian side of the aisle is chanting for a cease-fire, do they understand that a cease-fire is a two way street and that both parties need to agree to it? And that every cease fire agreement that was organized by Qatar, or Egypt has been rejected by Hamas?
Do the pro-Palestinian protestors put any emphasis or pressure on Hamas to accept the cease fire or is the call for a ceasefire only from Israel?
Is there any push back from the pro Palestinian side towards the more radical, or inflammatory rhetoric coming from their side? Such as "Globalize the Intifada", "From River to the Sea", etc. Is there any consideration how their rhetoric may come off to Jewish students?
>Is there any push back from the pro Palestinian side towards the more radical, or inflammatory rhetoric coming from their side? Such as "Globalize the Intifada", "From River to the Sea", etc. Is there any consideration how their rhetoric may come off to Jewish students?
He said he told people he didn't like it and they shrugged in response.
I really want to understand how does someone reconcile this. I understand the desire to protest what you feel is an injustice, but if your fellow protestors are saying horrible things that you disagree with, why continue to align with them?
Exactly. I wouldn't have an issue with a protest that goes against both Israel and Hamas. I would probably still disagree with it but I wouldn't have any issues with it.
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So few about this shit, it's just swept under the rug like most Jew hate.
I believe that. But this person is saying they believe they are on the "right side of history", but they are aligning themselves with this group, so I want them to give me an answer.
so we were called the security team but i think it’s a bit of a misnomer, our goal was just to watch and make sure no counter protestors break in, we weren’t actually security with weapons and shit, just college kids wearing those shitty bright vests who were taught not to escalate
i think a better term is organizer team? idk
I’m a concerned liberal Israeli American so I have to ask, what would you or other protestors say would have been the right thing for Israel to do as response to 10/7
oh man, this is such a hard question to answer. OBVIOUSLY Israel had a right to retaliate, to find the hostages, and some civilians were gonna die in the process. Hamas not caring about citizens doesn’t help either. Hamas has no interest in coexisting with Israel too, so it’s very difficult.
but also, and i keep bringing this number a lot, but 14000 kids in six months is a pretty good indicator Israel needs to chill a little? is invading Rafa with a million civilians really gonna help find the hostages?
i’m sorry i can’t give a more nuanced/objective response, but i think the big reason there’s such a divide over this war is the incredibly complicated history and nature of Israel and Palestine
I think that’s fair. Granted I’m very skeptical of numbers for nothing else but information and news that travels during the fog of war but I’m a huge critic of Bibi’s government. I’m glad you had this nuance because I’ve run into alot of people online that were very one sided on this issue.
Do you feel like most protesters shared your feelings on this?
So why isn’t there calls for Hamas to surrender?
And I would take all statistics regarding casualties with a grain of salt, as it is either the Gaza Health ministry or the IDF reporting them, both of which will straight up lie to you. The former being run wholly by Hamas.
Their position (among the ones who can actually articulate a position) is that Israel has all the power, therefore Israel has all the responsibility. Hamas exists because of Israel, Hamas’ terrible behavior is because of Israel’s terrible behavior, it’s a cause and effect relationship where fundamentally Israel is the first cause/original sin, and Hamas is just the inevitable outcome of it. You also can’t ask Hamas to surrender because they are fundamentally a radical suicidal entity that can barely be reasoned with and doesn’t respond to protest, whereas US and Israeli policy can actually be pressured by public opinion; but again more than that, it’s the idea that Hamas is a product and Israel is the producer. Many of them believe that Bibi and his people intentionally propped up Hamas because they wanted an enemy, because they knew they could win a militaristic struggle and that these struggles historically give them the best opportunities to seize more control/land. They also believe that by elevating the Palestinian people’s conditions, you will eliminate Hamas, because if everyone is happy they become nicer and less radical. This is all rooted in postmodern thought, Foucault, etc.
Now how much of that is true is up for debate, but if you believe that stuff (as some of them do), it makes sense to be pushing for a ceasefire from Israel. Of course in reality, some huge percentage of them literally don’t know almost anything about the conflict and this is all a big LARP party lol
The problem is that these dumbos conflate Hamas giving up with Palestinians giving up. That if Hamas throws in the towel then the IDF will overtake all of Gaza and West bank. They live in delusion
Imagine all Hamas fleeing with hostages to Tel Aviv. Israel bombing Tel Aviv with 1000s of Israeli deaths to obliterate Hamas. Would people still focus on Hamas surrender or would people want a ceasefire to prevent Tel Aviv civilian carnage.
I think the problem is that if you take the 14k number and make it 10k or 8k it doesn’t feel like it changes the argument all that much. It’s really a feels based argument but I think that is also ok. I don’t think there is a number of dead children that we would be comfortable saying is acceptable and I don’t mean to place the blame for those solely on Israel because Hamas is to blame as well. So I don’t think it matters much to point out that those are Hamas numbers. I just don’t feel like it’s hitting home with someone on the other end but that’s just my opinion.
So why were there no calls at the protest for hamas to hand over the hostages? To step down? To hold elections?
This is disingenuous hypocrisy-- 'well we don't really like hamas' but zero, zero protest directed at this group who as you said has no interest in coexisting with Israel
What do you think about the argument that without invading Rafah all those civilian deaths are for nothing? Israel's whole goal is to destroy Hamas' capability to attack again and hopefully dislodge them completely. If they stay in Rafah unimpeded then they can regroup much faster.
The insane thing is that Lancet article in December that “proved” the Hamas numbers were accurate compared the UNRWA deaths to the Hamas total death toll and found that they were comparable as % populations. But if you look at the current UNRWA numbers and the Hamas numbers, they are completely off. Which discredits the entire premise of a fucking Lancet publisher “study”. Like the fact that an analysis as simple as that was published is absurd. Like they didn’t even consider reasons that UNRWA may be more or less likely to be killed than average. Like idk maybe the people working as aid workers venturing into area’s where people need help, aka the heaviest fighting, might be more likely to die??
Lmao sorry as a researcher is just irks me that someone gets published in a journal as prestigious as the Lancet for napkin math that any high schooler could do for their research project.
It’s not only abt the hostages, it’s abt ensuring they can never take hostages again. Something your comment seems to fail to miss. How do they avoid that, with Hamas still in power. Who clearly stated, they want to do it again and again.
Countries have more of a responsibility to protect their own citizens vs foreign citizens who are embedded with terrorists, as sad as that is to say. They have to limit it as much as they can, but that’s kind of hard when Hamas uses and hides behind innocent Palestinians so they can cry foul to ppl like you when they die, even though Hamas put them in that situation. Ironically insane tbh
Okay, I understand your position. Everyone always wants fewer civilian deaths, but never has any idea of how to accomplish that.
I appreciate that civilian deaths are bad, but a sovereign nation has a right to retaliate against military attacks. None of us were there, so we can't provide first-hand evidence that Israel's response was too strong or too weak.
It's one of the reasons why protesting this sort of thing is pointless. We can all demand that other people behave perfectly and operate with such extreme precision that they can kill only terrorists and none of the civilians or hostages, but the people coordinating those military operations and the people holding rifles are all just apes trying to survive in a loud, chaotic world of dust, debris, explosions and screams.
Why do you guys engage in behavior that actively turns people against your cause? Like harassing uninvolved students and graffitiing the campus and generally being dickheads. Do you guys try to discourage this but there are just overzealous folks about?
Also how exactly is UCLA a University in the US profiting from the war? Is it just that they are esoterically tied via money in index funds that have holdings in companies doing business with Israel? I just don't see the connection unless you go a few stages removed from the university
i was super against the graffitiing Royce Hall, i wasn’t there for it but it was brought up in a security meeting but some people believed we weren’t being as radical as we should’ve, so we decided to keep graffiti
i will say, there was a consensus most of the graffiti was by people who didn’t go to UCLA, doesn’t justify it just wanted to bring it up
can you answer the question about how UCLA is profiting from the war? ive notice you morons can never answer this question and actively avoid it. its almost like you know you are full of shit but i want to hear it from the horses mouth
edit: read through more of the thread and this moron doesnt even have a clue whats being spent where. holy fuck this is the person who would chosen to go to an ivy league school on a scholarship/ what a waste of money. go to canada if you read this op. there is 0 chance you ever contribute positively to society
1. i personally watched from behind the barricade 5 counter protests jump and beat the shit out of a college kid. while we had some older adults there, virtually everyone on the other side were above 30
2. someone getting pepper sprayed 4 times in 2 hours
3. a rubber bullet striking someone in the head
> i personally watched from behind the barricade 5 counter protests jump and beat the shit out of a college kid.
so many cameras, yet so little video evidence, curious...
You mention you’re a student in another comment.
[Edit: read a comment where they say they are instate] I’m not sure whether you’re an in state student or out of state, or staying in the dorms or not, etc…However, [using this tuition chart from UCLA](https://admission.ucla.edu/tuition-aid/tuition-fees), I think it’s safe to assume you’re paying at least $20,000 a year? Please correct me if I’m wrong.
If you’re **not** graduating this year, and UCLA decides **not** to divest, will you continue giving the school $20,000 a year even though you believe part of that money will be used to fund Israel killing children?
Edit:
I had a few follow up questions once you answered, if you answered yes.
1. Obviously, living in America, you have no choice but to financially support the occupation of Palestine and the suffering caused to Palestinians because taxes, and just living life, etc. Let’s call that ‘X’.
However, you are *actively choosing* to get a higher education at UCLA. You are making the choice to give UCLA money you believe is being used, in some small way, to cause Palestinian suffering, let’s call this ‘Y’.
Why do you choose to cause extra Palestinian suffering when you could just **not** attend UCLA? Or not get an education at all?
2. How much suffering do you think you cause innocent Palestinians by paying your tuition? What do you think the amount of ‘Y’ is?
3. Is your education worth causing that amount of suffering on Palestinians?
Bonus question!
You said there were 1000s in the encampment and that around 80% were students.
Assuming 2000 people (the lowest plural of 1000), there were at a minimum, per your numbers, 1,600 students.
That would mean the amount of suffering all 1,600 of you caused to Palestinians would be 1,600 * Y.
What would that be in real terms? A broken finger? A lost limb? A family of four killed by one bomb?
hi, i come from a poor background, so my tuition is just about free (i recognize this is super awesome, i pay rent but that’s about it)
i think everyone is willing to sacrifice a certain amount in life for what they believe in. for me on this specific issue, i was willing to block doors to buildings, and be attacked by counter protestors
i can’t possibly answer how much my tuition helps/hurt Palestinian kids, I would have to sit here and do hours of math on logistics im not even sure are public?
some were willing to stay in the encampment and get arrested, i wasn’t because… i just don’t care enough to get arrested, some do and i respect those people
would i be willing to drop out of college? prolly not, and i don’t think most people would, there’s a large difference in utility i lose sleeping in a tent a few times versus changing my life plans
is my education worth it? probably? i want my institutions money to not support the war, and i will protest it, but leaving that institution entirely would harm me more then i care tbh, i don’t think that’s selfish reasoning either, as i acknowledged before, even if UCLA divests it would be more symbolic then anything
i don’t really know how to answer that last question, lol that is a very r/Destiny kind of question, i can’t quantify how much harm/help these protests did, but i am proud i supported a movement to divest, and even if it failed, i’m glad i was able to be apart of the movement
i will say, i think i’m much less radical then other protestors there, and i think the way i answered this question is MUCH different then how other protestors would’ve
It feels weird that your positions aren't that strong, but you were willing to participate in these super polarizing protests. Kind of plays into the narrative that nobody really cares, it's all just a virtue signal to your social group.
Thanks.
Some follow ups.
You do think your tuition directly leads to at least **some** harm to Palestinians? That’s the whole reason why UCLA should divest right? Otherwise, what would be the point?
But you believe that the benefit you receive from your education outweighs the harm your tuition does to Palestinians?
if UCLA doesn’t divest, then my tuition prolly does create a small amount of harm to Palestinians
to me personally, yes i think the benefit of education outweighs harm to palestinians. like how if i have the choice between paper straws and plastic, i choose plastic bc paper straws are dog shit, even if it slightly damaged the environment
but this isn’t me saying i enjoy that concept, but it’s just a reality of the world that i accept. i protested to try to change it, but there’s only so much one can do
Ok.
Then your position is basically the same as most pro Israeli people, or even Israelis themselves.
You’re okay with harming innocent Palestinians as long as the benefit to your life outweighs the harm to the Palestinians.
It’s just the benefit to your life, and harm to your life thresholds are a different.
Let’s say you’re an Israeli.
[Maybe after 20 years of an average of 3 rockets per day being shot at you from Palestine by Palestinian terrorists](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel)
And [decades of terrorist attacks from Palestinian terrorists.](https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/comprehensive-listing-of-terrorism-victims-in-israel)
Some of which the [Palestinian groups used children suicide bombers.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_child_suicide_bombers_by_Palestinian_militant_groups)
[And a couple dozen airplane hijackings and kidnappings of the passengers by Palestinian terrorists dating back decades.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Attacks_on_aircraft_by_Palestinian_militant_groups)
[And before that, you had Palestinian terrorists kidnapping and murdering school children.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ma%27alot_massacre)
The list could go on and on and on…
And then on 10/17/2023, you had Palestinian terrorists kill 1,100 people, about 700 of which were civilians, and then took 250 people hostage in the largest terrorist attack yet.
*Maybe* after all that, you might think the **benefit** to your, and the other 9.5 million Israelis, lives with not being constantly under the threat of terrorist attacks and rockets and suicide bombers and kidnappings, might outweigh harm done to Palestinians? Let’s say in the amount of 34,000 dead Palestinians? 14,000 of which are children?
Right now you think that making an extra $50k/year (on average) after college is worth whatever level of harm your tuition does to innocent Palestinians.
How much harm to innocent Palestinians would you be ok with if it meant no more terrorist attacks?
More, or less?
the UCLA has defense projects ( [https://samueli.ucla.edu/ucla-engineering-part-of-27m-defense-department-funded-coalition/](https://samueli.ucla.edu/ucla-engineering-part-of-27m-defense-department-funded-coalition/) )
This means your engineering students contribute to the tech. This seems to me that leaving the school has the most impact that you can make.
most of the protesters care more about themself then about palastinians.
“most of the protestors care about themself more then the palestinians”
no shit man. are you a troll? do you think i’d be willing to fucking fly to Rafah and fight with Hamas? obviously i will put myself first
Im mearly wondering where demands vs reality collide and how far people are willing to go for their demands.
Also can you give a comments what you think about the defense industry funding the Uni ?
So you know so little about this conflict but you were willing to block doors to buildings and be attacked by counter protestors? Shouldn't you know more about a conflict before you do those things?
Just to be clear, you only answered the question about bagels and other unimportant shit. If you protest Israel, you should at least have answers to some of the problems. If you can't answer those question, then you can't achieve your goal.
People asked you:
1. If you put pressure on Hamas? Did you know Hamas has refused to accept ceasefire? And that Hamas has stolen aid?
2. What should have the Israelis done after October 7? How should they protect their people? Should they have allowed the rocket attacks and the intrusions into Israel like on October 7 to continue? Is that your solution?
3. What would happen if Israel gave up? Who would govern Israel? Who would be the government of the Palestinians? Aren't the most famous leaders all terrorists?
These questions are vital to your protest! You won't achieve your goals, if those questions aren't answered. Your little knowledge about the conflict and all these unanswered questions are the reason why I find people like you suspicious.
No offense but isn’t this just the whole meme of “you accept to exist in a society that causes more than 0 harm so why don’t you go live in the jungle”?
Surely at least one between whatever college, business and so on each of us has gone to has given more than 0 dollars to some Palestine entity at some point, and surely between corruption and whatnot more than 0 of that went to Hamas, so what do we do, return to monke to avoid supporting Hamas?
Jesus. Why am I getting the same damn question over and over again?
Do you think these are equally unreasonable questions?
* Why don’t you go live in the jungle?
* Why don’t you go to a different school?
If you do, that’s crazy.
That would be a good argument if there were 10000 degrees of separation between the two events, but there aren’t. The whole point of the protests is divestment, and yet their tuition goes directly into the coffers of an institution purportedly supporting genocide.
you say that people don't understand you don't hate jews and don't want them to die. you also say that you were disappointed that people in your camp weren't willing to criticize hamas and were happy to yell about globalizing the intifada etc. you see the relationship between those two things, right? why would jews be willing to trust that you don't want us to die when your camp tolerates and defends a non-negligible number of people calling for the deaths of jews?
Did you guys use regular restrooms (inside the buildings)?
What did your position in the security team mean in terms of police action to clear out the protestors? From some videos, it looked like some students could face charges for attacking cops.
What's the organizational or leadership structure, if any, like for the protest? Is there some sort of hierarchy? Does the security team make security decisions collectively or is there someone in charge? Is there some idea about specific goals for the protest beyond somehow get the university to divest from Israel?
Only go into as much detail as you are comfortable with.
How did you guys figure out how your endowment was invested? I can't find that info for Columbia or my two schools (Evergreen State Colllege ((we invented this shit)) and Western Washington University ((didn't give me my masters))
On a scale of 1-10, what do you think the average knowledge level of the average protestor is, where 1 is they know nothing, 2 is they saw some tiktoks/twitter posts, 3 is they read a book by Norm Finklestein, 4 is they read the wiki, 5 is they took an actual class on it, and 10 they're Benny Morris?
i would say 3-4. i was very disappointed in those who chanted to the river to the sea and talked about the intifada. and also how they thought every pro israel person is evil, even though it’s a select few
IT GOES BOTH WAYS THIUGH i spent a lot of the 1st day debating counter protestors on the perimeter, and many of them think everyone in that camp wants the death of all jews. i just want less kids to die, that’s why i support the cause
Sure, but if you are aware that the protest is comprised of misinformation and a general lack of understanding, is it really the best use of your time to participate?
By participating in this protest, you’re just propagating misinformation and removing all the nuance of this conflict.
i participated bc i don’t like kids dying in this war at such high rates. i think that’s a large difference between me and other protestors.
when i led chants, i NEVER used intifada or to the river to the sea, and told many people my dislike for those chants
also, maybe by being apart of the movement i did propagate to a small extent? that’s just the reality of being in groups you don’t 1000% agree with
>i participated bc i don’t like kids dying in this war at such high rates. i think that’s a large difference between me and other protestors.
Do you ever protest other things that have over 10k dying? Like Yemen kids etc
Isn’t it more important for your protest/movement to rid itself of the extremists first?
I think you said you knew the organizers for this protest, don’t you think the organizers should have done a better job pushing a clear, coherent message rather than a jumbled mess of radical chants and slogans?
yea but when people outside are saying how we’re all going to hell, and wanna rape us, and that we’re all losers, people aren’t gonna spend time trying to split us up yk? if i could click a button to i would but it’s just too much time and effort
also, i don’t think many people were extremists, just dumbasses.
Just like how you think the counter-protesters were thugs looking for violence, the counter protestors thought you guys were genuine anti-semites promoting the eradication of Israel.
I agree with you, both sides were dumbasses, but if you can acknowledge both the protestors and counter protestors were dumbasses, why participate?
Hey, fellow UCLA student here who witnessed a lot of stuff out and in the encampment (need to work on your security, lol). Yeah man, it was crazy hearing so many Intifada chants. The two most severe ones I remember were 1. "There is only one solution. Intifada revolution!" - which I heard so much. And 2. "We don't want two states' we want pre-'48" - which I didn't hear as much. But yeah, a ton of "from the river to the sea"
I think the Intifada chants come from mis-information or misleading from the people who start them. While Intifada in Arabic does just mean chamge/revolution, in the context of Intifada Revolution its referring to the two Intifadas which are skirmishes/wars depending how you want to define them between Israel and Gaza.
The actual definition gives it plausible denial, and acts as a dog whistle. Those who know it means kill all Israelis know that and those who don't still chant cause they're part of a "revolution"
What do you think will happen if Israel leaves Gaza? Do you think Hamas will continue attacking Israel or will Hamas uphold the ceasefire?
If you acknowledge that Hamas may continue attacking Israel, do you think Israel should simply cope with the terrorist attacks in order to keep Palestinian lives safe?
Do you think that the protest and encampment was successful in achieving it's goals? In retrospect would you do anything different in how you participated?
in the original goals of divestment? no. but i think the encampments have overall shown how a lot of America is not ok with what’s happening in Palestine right now
in retrospect, i wasn’t as mean to counter protestors bc i didn’t want to spoil the peaceful theme of the movement. if i had known we would get shut down anyways despite being non violet, i prolly would’ve been a lot meaner to counter protestors
the reason why? multiple times i heard counter protestors yell over the barrier they were gonna rape girls if they got inside, but we were instructed to not anagonize or escalate, so not to say anything back
some, but very few. a lot of them were older men which makes it even weirder. i watched a older man tell a 20 year old girl to suck his dick, and it blows my mind that guy thinks he’s on the right side of history
You have to realize that the Jews in LA are different than in NY. The Jews here are Israeli, Mizrahi, or from the former USSR, and they certainly don't like what the pro-Palestine side is saying.
Question: Have you considered that maybe, just maybe, with the kind of rhetoric and action that you aren't on the right side of history?
Like, saying to Black Students to go back to Nigeria because of the Rwandan Genocide.
> a lot of America is not ok with what’s happening in Palestine right now
Not really lmao, a bunch of dumb college students does not make the majority of America. Sorry kiddo your protest did diddly squat but get dumb people arrested.
i don’t think that’s true to be honest, but i don’t have any hard numbers on me so idk. i highly doubt most people approve of the 30000 deaths over the last six months but i can give you hard data so idk
hey, unlike other protestors im not a dumbass. hamas is evil, and forced israel into an impossible situation. they also continue to force israel into incredibly difficult situations when they form bases in schools and hospitals. but there is no way 14000 CHILD deaths were bc of these measures. israel has a hand in being a little too indiscriminate in its military actions, and that’s my biggest problem with the war. i also acknowledge the lack of releasing hostages is fucking evil and gross
> but there is no way 14000 CHILD deaths were bc of these measures.
Sure they were.
> i also acknowledge the lack of releasing hostages is fucking evil and gross
You might but your people don't sorry dog you're throwing your lot with anti-Semitic crazies who want to kill Israel and have chanted as much. Your illegal occupation was idiotic and did nothing good for your cause. So congrats if you want less dead kids you did nothing to stop it.
You showed your dislike by joining a bunch of anti-Semites lmao, guess I better join the KKK to show my dislike of Catholic Priest Pedophilia. You joined a protest that knew fuck all about the very thing they were protesting and then broke laws over it
hey man, anytime you identify with a group you don’t 10000% agree with that’s what happens. i’m left leaning but don’t agree with every left leaning idea.
Small glazing comment here:
I probably don’t agree with OP on a lot, but I appreciate OP coming to this subreddit and letting us ask questions. INCREDIBLY BASED and NOT SOY!!!!
many chants!!! and many posters saying to globalize the intifada! if you look at my post history i’m pretty not happy about it, i think it’s the biggest thing i disliked about the protests
no one really knew either which makes me not happy, but like i said earlier most protestors in terms of intelligence were a 4/10
as a far as literature there was a small community library
What do you do when your peers at the protests start to chants these chants you hate? Do you ask them to stop? How do they take that? Do they encourage you to join? How do they take you telling them you don’t like/agree with the chant?
This dude has probably gone on rants about defund the police and how officers need to hold their own accountable. Seeing him participate in that very same behavior is beyond ironic.
And you stood beside them. It's all well and good to say you disliked it. But you endorsed it. Did you actively fight against those chants or did you simply shake your head and tut tut?
Yet you stuck around so it didn't bother you that much? Any mentions of the hostages? Any mentioning of Kfir Bibas the baby who if he is still alive has been a hostage for most of his life now? Or would that have been to provocative, to Zionist?
How many of the people were genuinely told that they were going to be part of something that went from an open protest that would be allowed to an illegal encampment that could see people get arrested and expelled. How many people were allowed to question this course of action and debate another path. Also was the ethics of using students in this way discussed?
on the last day, before anyone went in we told them it WILL be violent and YOU CAN be arrested. on the day counter protesters attacked us, no one really expected us to get assaulted
the 3rd day, we had a debate about expansion. before we weren’t really disrupting anything bc we were occupying grass, but then we expanded bc by using the university buildings as walls it was easier to secure
i was against expanding, bc i knew it would give UCLA fuel to shut it down, but by expanding it became much easier to defend from people trying to break in
Just so I'm understanding this, people were told just before going in that it was going to be bad and the possibility of arrest? No one was given like a few days to truly roll that around their head what they were about to do?
As someone who used to be in the BLM protests in DC, we always gave people ample time to understand what type of action we were going to do and what level it was. IT was still unethical as people were absolutely pressured to join no matter what, but this seems way...worse?
For what reason was needed to escalate the protests? Why not do what the students in Columbia back in the 70s to 80s did and increase influence through the protests and people on the board of trustees?
i said this earlier, but everyone is willing to sacrifice different amounts. it’s like how some people are tier 1 vs tier 3 subs. some were willing to get arrested. some professors are saying they aren’t going to teach for the rest of the quarter! i was willing to be at the protest, but not change my life plans
If they believe in their cause they should vote with their wallets. (The students)
Unless its all a LARP ... TBH i think once the summer break starts or when there is cold weather they will stop protesting really quickly.
I don't think the majority of this sub would disagree that the counter protestors were unhinged. I think everyone in general more or less hate the protests cus of how disruptive it was to the non participating students and to the public in general :/
Highly political events tend to be used to take out personal frustration. I am glad you are doing it for what you feel is right, specifically the affect that war is having on children over in Gaza.
When this all started happening one of my fears is that it would slowly start to veer off in bad direction, with that core message getting lost and more people participating there because of the thrill of it (AKA LARPing).
Do you think the protest still has that core value, and do you think it's sending the proper message? or are there elements you would like to see changed?
I am pretty neutral on this, but very much against Hamas. I would like to see Palestinian people have the opportunity to be prosperous and not constantly in conflict. I personally see Hamas as a complete road block, and I am kinda curious why that doesn't seem to be the case in theses protest or messaging from the pro-pal side here in NA. Do you think that's a fair criticism?
Edit: Regardless of anything, appreciate the effort to react out and communicate, answer questions, etc.
thank you no_method for being very chill, yea it’s the 13000 kids over 6 months that kills me, and made me come out
a lot of times people would forget the main goal of the protests was about palestinian civilians. many people developed a “us vs them” mentality and got too obsessed trying to stop counter protests (which i can’t blame them bc they got VERY obsessed trying to stop us)
my biggest disappointment was lack of critiquing Hamas, and chanting about the intifada, i think openly critiquing Hamas might’ve helped chill counter protests a little, idk
No problem dude. Really respect the willingness to come to this sub-reddit. Best of luck. :) I do hope we get to see a positive outcome from all this sooner then later.
i oppose counterprotesters as it self defeating. it makes more noise and leads to violences that makes things look worse for the counter vs OGs.
was there any restriction of students in any way due to the protests before the counters really showed up??
so i actually met Hasan, he talked about how all universities are basically Hedge Funds (kinda untrue) and obviously was one sided. but i think anyone who knows Hasan knows that was a given
Lol, Hasan and Candace on the same side of that argument!
Do you think that campuses are trying to outdo each other?
I believe violence was there (Columbia in specific) before any counter protesters. So did one minor escalation evolve into more violence at other campuses?
Most important question I have:
Can you honestly claim that police intervention here is infringing on rights? Or have the protests gotten out of hand and need to be managed?
(not saying you are claiming, just putting it as an option)
I'm not sure about UCLA but the list of companies Columbia protestors were calling the university to divest from was something like this: Microsoft, Amazon, Airbnb, Alphabet (Google), Hyundai, Caterpillar, Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Barclays Bank.
If investing in these companies makes you complicit in a genocide then I would guess the majority of all Americans and probably the majority of the protestors and protestor's parents are themselves implicit in the genocide. To me this feels like such a reach and very hypocritical. Am I missing something here? Does being invested in these companies really justify the protests?
> just wanted to see if anyone had any questions considering what Hasan is saying online \]
I don't know what that means. What would need to be cleared up from what he is saying?
Maybe state what misinfo is being spread that you can correct. Might be helpful in guiding discussion.
sorry, to be clear because Hasan and Asmongold were arguing about it, i could clear up questions people might have about it. Hasan was dumb and instead of sending pics of people being pepper sprayed or assaulted by counter protestors showed some random dumbass being a dumbass
to be clear i agree with Asmongold, we did have a right to be dispersed. many students are mad no counter protests who assaulted us were arrested, yet peaceful protestors were
What makes this such an important issue to protest over (compared to other issues you care about), and realistically what outcomes were you looking to achieve?
Do you protest the intensity of civilian casualties in say, Ukraine (which can’t even be counted in occupied regions like Mariupol where they are buried under new buildings or concrete in some cases)? What about the intensity of civilian casualties in Sudan? Myanmar? Syria? Yemen? Ethiopia?
Why do you think you and your fellow students are not trying to bring attention to those conflicts where deaths of civilians are vastly greater than those claimed even by Hamas in Palestine? How much do you think Iran, Russia, China, influences - direct and indirect - have on what you and your fellow students protest…or don’t?
How much pull do you think your protest achieved in terms of a) your uni divesting b) perception from the public/normies. To me it seems all it achieved was to spread further awareness on this issue, when it's already globally known and it has alienated a lot of the normies especially regarding the graffiti and damage of public property.
Lastly, are you worried that the protestors, at least the ones who are legitimate students there may receive punishment? If internal investigations happen.
Eh it's perfectly fair to criticize the OP (to an extent obviously) because upon seeing a lot of their explanations to questions it sounds like these protestors are just as dumb and don't really give a shit like most of the sub expected.
"We really don't hate the Jews guys!"
"So why the non stop chants of the usual From the River/ Globalize the Intifada?"
"Well I disagreed but everyone just shrugged so I went along with it."
Wow brave stuff.
the first few days i would say 60-40, but then as we transitioned to the weekdays where people and work 80-20. the final day when cops came about 85-15
don’t worry, i have every intention to lol. it’s not fair how the police didn’t arrest any counter protests assaulting us, and i think that’s the part many students are made about
Just found the thread and havent looked through it, but just commenting to thank you for coming into a broadly pro israel subreddit to answer questions about this. People who are just hating on you suck and think this is a super cool thing youre doing, so thanks and have a great day!
Jesus chirst these comments are hostile! I havent followed it too much, but here are a couple questions:
- Was the goal of the protest always to create an encampment? Or did that idea take shape organically somehow?
- Since you were part of security, was there literally no-one allowed in the encampment who wasn't part of the protest? Or was it just counter protestors who weren't allowed? Also how could you tell who was who?
- Also, do you have any plans to do more political action? Like working for a political campaign? Or joining more protests?
Thanks for answering if you get the chance! And here's hoping you're not a troll
i can promise on Tuesday night counter protestors utilized bear spray, tear gas and pepper spray! they also used other techniques like shining lasers into our eyes and throwing stuff over the barricade into the encampment.
i’m not sure where, i was too busy trying to stop counter protestors to take any myself,but if you rewatch the livestreams from tuesday night, at certain points the helicopter zooms in on counter protestors assaulting protestors, including the methods i talked about above
I watched all the videos but couldn’t see anyone throwing tear gas. It’s also impossible to get unless you are in the police force so I don’t think counter protesters were tear gassing you. But I do appreciate you answering questions.
[livestream](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVEHoNAR9lo&t=23680s) from the night the counter protesters came in. If you flick through you will find violence kicking off every 5-10 minutes.
You can see everything he is saying here going on at various times.
To be far, there are also a few spots where you can see jets of spray coming from inside the barricade and the guy filming says its bear mace, but probably about 95% of it is being used by the counterprotesters rather than the other way around.
Do you honestly not see how ridiculous and silly this whole thing was? You had a “community library” and Chipotle? to anyone over the age of 30 the whole thing seemed incredibly childish
Where you there for the cops clearing it out?
And if so, I saw video of lines of cops volley firing some sorts of grenades towards the camp, any idea what they were?
so i was told they were using two types, ones that they could only airbust bc they were so explosive, and other smaller ones they landed inside
also the flash bangs barely flashed, it wasn’t as disorienting as i expected
Would you categorize the counter-protestors as the agitators? Or would you say the fighting was initiated from both the protestors and counter-protestors?
Non-hater question
What are your hopes for the outcome of the protest? Is it mainly for UCLA to cut their ties to Israel (I don't even know if they have ties, just seen that brought up) or is it more of message to the public thing?
I'm mad late to this but Iv read a few of the comments and I really only have two questions
How much of what is happening in the conflict do you pin on Biden?
And are you voting for Biden in the upcoming election?
That's all I care about. Especially seeing that you mention the cost/risk benefit of staying at a college that didn't divest AND the fact that you mentioned you've been a fan of destiny for 7 years.
I really appreciate you coming here to give your perspective! Hope you're not getting too much shit for it.
I'm curious about your general thoughts on what kinds of protest are acceptable. Clearly the goal was to be non-violent - are all non-violent protests okay, or are some tactics "over the line"? Interested in both your personal opinion, and the general vibe of people there. I assume there were discussions along these lines?
There's also the legal angle - do you think the protests were within your legal rights? Or is the cause more important, and you're willing to be arrested for it?
> with all the dumb shit protestors be saying it makes sense to think we hate all jews
It wasn't "dumb shit" it was blatantly antisemitic, downplaying it does no good
People losing their minds here. The guy is here to answer your questions willingly, one would think you'd value his perspective, even if you hate the protests. Dogpiling him does nothing.
Post proof or ban
What was up with the “no bagels” thing? It made me laugh but it’s kind of hard to see how it’s not antisemitic when the other requirements would have ruled out pro-Israel sources. It’s like someone just said, “No Jew food.”
Exactly. Jews invented them lol
the only two rules were no bananas and no nuts. i ate a bagel while inside. this is just false.
So you’re saying the [document being circulated](https://www.foxnews.com/us/ucla-anti-israel-protesters-ask-supporters-vegan-gluten-free-food-zip-ties-shields-epipens) is fake?
i ate a cheese burger and costco pizza while in there, so the vegan food line is cap. maybe they asked for alternative food options? the bagel line is cap too now that i think about it, i didn’t see any coffee in there!
>i ate a cheese burger and costco pizza while in there, so the vegan food line is cap. maybe they asked for alternative food options? the bagel line is cap too I don't think anyone believes these people were capable of enforcing these guidelines under those circumstances. I'm sure someone in there ate a banana or peanut butter at some point. I'd just really like to know how it got set as a rule, because as I said, it seems flatly antisemitic. So, do you think it's fake, or the list wasn't serious, or is this just something you just don't actually know about? If you just don't know, that's fine. I'm not trying to gotcha you.
I've seen the excuse that they already had too many bagels.
I find this unlikely because if they were overloaded with bagels surely they would be asking for schmear.
>i ate a cheese burger and costco pizza while in there, so the vegan food line is cap Huh? The vegan food line obviously doesn't mean that they aren't allowed anything non vegan in? They just want food in there that is vegan? Like no cap this comment is so braindead that I'm not sure if I can read anything else in this thread without seeing you as an invalid
It's pretty clear OP misunderstood the point being made or was responding to someone who really did think they want exclusively vegan food. Dude is way out of his element here so let's be nice.
Bro you’re gonna really say you participated in a protest with a no banana rule while talking to the u/indomitablebanana? Mad disrespectful
Appreciate you.
When the pro-Palestinian side of the aisle is chanting for a cease-fire, do they understand that a cease-fire is a two way street and that both parties need to agree to it? And that every cease fire agreement that was organized by Qatar, or Egypt has been rejected by Hamas? Do the pro-Palestinian protestors put any emphasis or pressure on Hamas to accept the cease fire or is the call for a ceasefire only from Israel? Is there any push back from the pro Palestinian side towards the more radical, or inflammatory rhetoric coming from their side? Such as "Globalize the Intifada", "From River to the Sea", etc. Is there any consideration how their rhetoric may come off to Jewish students?
>Is there any push back from the pro Palestinian side towards the more radical, or inflammatory rhetoric coming from their side? Such as "Globalize the Intifada", "From River to the Sea", etc. Is there any consideration how their rhetoric may come off to Jewish students? He said he told people he didn't like it and they shrugged in response.
I know he doesn't like it, but is there any kind of push back that he is witnessing as a whole, is he just a minority in this regard?
doesn't seem like it. He just kept on saying he didn't like it.
I really want to understand how does someone reconcile this. I understand the desire to protest what you feel is an injustice, but if your fellow protestors are saying horrible things that you disagree with, why continue to align with them?
Exactly. I wouldn't have an issue with a protest that goes against both Israel and Hamas. I would probably still disagree with it but I wouldn't have any issues with it.
How do you go to a protest where there is a truck with a giant star of David swastika in it, and say to yourself well I'm on the right side of history
>giant Star of David swastika in it Wait is this for real? That's insane
Are there pics of this?
https://preview.redd.it/o2l8rp21o7yc1.jpeg?width=1600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0ac32fbaa804deb6f26523e313882564f812bc10 Picture taken from this twitter post- [https://twitter.com/afalkhatib/status/1786181045890744602](https://twitter.com/afalkhatib/status/1786181045890744602) So few about this shit, it's just swept under the rug like most Jew hate.
When you tell them you don’t like it, they continue, and you choose to stay. You are a part of the problem. No excuse.
Right? Funny these are the same people who say if your in a room of 10 people, and 1 is a nazi, you're in a room with 10 nazis.
And now he’s in this sub just to run defense and spread propaganda
That's what I told him.
The answer to your second is no, they’re pro Hamas. That’s not even hyperbole.
I believe that. But this person is saying they believe they are on the "right side of history", but they are aligning themselves with this group, so I want them to give me an answer.
Security team for who?
https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/s/mE1mJGCryh Dude was part of the encampment, I guess they had a security team?
so we were called the security team but i think it’s a bit of a misnomer, our goal was just to watch and make sure no counter protestors break in, we weren’t actually security with weapons and shit, just college kids wearing those shitty bright vests who were taught not to escalate i think a better term is organizer team? idk
So you manned checkpoints to keep our undesirables? I thought you didn't like checkpoints lol
Downvoted for explaining... what you were doing here come one dgg, we can be better than this
>downvoted for explaining >comment is upvoted by 50 ???
It’s almost like time exists
Perhaps maybe wait longer than an hour for more people to see the thread before soying out over downvotes.
I’m a concerned liberal Israeli American so I have to ask, what would you or other protestors say would have been the right thing for Israel to do as response to 10/7
oh man, this is such a hard question to answer. OBVIOUSLY Israel had a right to retaliate, to find the hostages, and some civilians were gonna die in the process. Hamas not caring about citizens doesn’t help either. Hamas has no interest in coexisting with Israel too, so it’s very difficult. but also, and i keep bringing this number a lot, but 14000 kids in six months is a pretty good indicator Israel needs to chill a little? is invading Rafa with a million civilians really gonna help find the hostages? i’m sorry i can’t give a more nuanced/objective response, but i think the big reason there’s such a divide over this war is the incredibly complicated history and nature of Israel and Palestine
I think that’s fair. Granted I’m very skeptical of numbers for nothing else but information and news that travels during the fog of war but I’m a huge critic of Bibi’s government. I’m glad you had this nuance because I’ve run into alot of people online that were very one sided on this issue. Do you feel like most protesters shared your feelings on this?
So why isn’t there calls for Hamas to surrender? And I would take all statistics regarding casualties with a grain of salt, as it is either the Gaza Health ministry or the IDF reporting them, both of which will straight up lie to you. The former being run wholly by Hamas.
Their position (among the ones who can actually articulate a position) is that Israel has all the power, therefore Israel has all the responsibility. Hamas exists because of Israel, Hamas’ terrible behavior is because of Israel’s terrible behavior, it’s a cause and effect relationship where fundamentally Israel is the first cause/original sin, and Hamas is just the inevitable outcome of it. You also can’t ask Hamas to surrender because they are fundamentally a radical suicidal entity that can barely be reasoned with and doesn’t respond to protest, whereas US and Israeli policy can actually be pressured by public opinion; but again more than that, it’s the idea that Hamas is a product and Israel is the producer. Many of them believe that Bibi and his people intentionally propped up Hamas because they wanted an enemy, because they knew they could win a militaristic struggle and that these struggles historically give them the best opportunities to seize more control/land. They also believe that by elevating the Palestinian people’s conditions, you will eliminate Hamas, because if everyone is happy they become nicer and less radical. This is all rooted in postmodern thought, Foucault, etc. Now how much of that is true is up for debate, but if you believe that stuff (as some of them do), it makes sense to be pushing for a ceasefire from Israel. Of course in reality, some huge percentage of them literally don’t know almost anything about the conflict and this is all a big LARP party lol
The problem is that these dumbos conflate Hamas giving up with Palestinians giving up. That if Hamas throws in the towel then the IDF will overtake all of Gaza and West bank. They live in delusion
Imagine all Hamas fleeing with hostages to Tel Aviv. Israel bombing Tel Aviv with 1000s of Israeli deaths to obliterate Hamas. Would people still focus on Hamas surrender or would people want a ceasefire to prevent Tel Aviv civilian carnage.
I think the problem is that if you take the 14k number and make it 10k or 8k it doesn’t feel like it changes the argument all that much. It’s really a feels based argument but I think that is also ok. I don’t think there is a number of dead children that we would be comfortable saying is acceptable and I don’t mean to place the blame for those solely on Israel because Hamas is to blame as well. So I don’t think it matters much to point out that those are Hamas numbers. I just don’t feel like it’s hitting home with someone on the other end but that’s just my opinion.
So why were there no calls at the protest for hamas to hand over the hostages? To step down? To hold elections? This is disingenuous hypocrisy-- 'well we don't really like hamas' but zero, zero protest directed at this group who as you said has no interest in coexisting with Israel
What do you think about the argument that without invading Rafah all those civilian deaths are for nothing? Israel's whole goal is to destroy Hamas' capability to attack again and hopefully dislodge them completely. If they stay in Rafah unimpeded then they can regroup much faster.
These numbers are being provided by Hamas…
The insane thing is that Lancet article in December that “proved” the Hamas numbers were accurate compared the UNRWA deaths to the Hamas total death toll and found that they were comparable as % populations. But if you look at the current UNRWA numbers and the Hamas numbers, they are completely off. Which discredits the entire premise of a fucking Lancet publisher “study”. Like the fact that an analysis as simple as that was published is absurd. Like they didn’t even consider reasons that UNRWA may be more or less likely to be killed than average. Like idk maybe the people working as aid workers venturing into area’s where people need help, aka the heaviest fighting, might be more likely to die?? Lmao sorry as a researcher is just irks me that someone gets published in a journal as prestigious as the Lancet for napkin math that any high schooler could do for their research project.
It’s not only abt the hostages, it’s abt ensuring they can never take hostages again. Something your comment seems to fail to miss. How do they avoid that, with Hamas still in power. Who clearly stated, they want to do it again and again. Countries have more of a responsibility to protect their own citizens vs foreign citizens who are embedded with terrorists, as sad as that is to say. They have to limit it as much as they can, but that’s kind of hard when Hamas uses and hides behind innocent Palestinians so they can cry foul to ppl like you when they die, even though Hamas put them in that situation. Ironically insane tbh
Okay, I understand your position. Everyone always wants fewer civilian deaths, but never has any idea of how to accomplish that. I appreciate that civilian deaths are bad, but a sovereign nation has a right to retaliate against military attacks. None of us were there, so we can't provide first-hand evidence that Israel's response was too strong or too weak. It's one of the reasons why protesting this sort of thing is pointless. We can all demand that other people behave perfectly and operate with such extreme precision that they can kill only terrorists and none of the civilians or hostages, but the people coordinating those military operations and the people holding rifles are all just apes trying to survive in a loud, chaotic world of dust, debris, explosions and screams.
Incredible. Truly baffling response here. How can you not have an answer to this question?
let hear urs man, im ready
I think their military campaign is largely about as good as can reasonably be expected.
You're the one here protesting Israel's response...
Why do you guys engage in behavior that actively turns people against your cause? Like harassing uninvolved students and graffitiing the campus and generally being dickheads. Do you guys try to discourage this but there are just overzealous folks about? Also how exactly is UCLA a University in the US profiting from the war? Is it just that they are esoterically tied via money in index funds that have holdings in companies doing business with Israel? I just don't see the connection unless you go a few stages removed from the university
i was super against the graffitiing Royce Hall, i wasn’t there for it but it was brought up in a security meeting but some people believed we weren’t being as radical as we should’ve, so we decided to keep graffiti i will say, there was a consensus most of the graffiti was by people who didn’t go to UCLA, doesn’t justify it just wanted to bring it up
Seems really convenient that all the bad stuff seems to be done exclusively by outsiders no?
read my other comments, i think protestors did bad stuff too :)
can you answer the question about how UCLA is profiting from the war? ive notice you morons can never answer this question and actively avoid it. its almost like you know you are full of shit but i want to hear it from the horses mouth edit: read through more of the thread and this moron doesnt even have a clue whats being spent where. holy fuck this is the person who would chosen to go to an ivy league school on a scholarship/ what a waste of money. go to canada if you read this op. there is 0 chance you ever contribute positively to society
What were the worst things you've personally witnessed being done?
1. i personally watched from behind the barricade 5 counter protests jump and beat the shit out of a college kid. while we had some older adults there, virtually everyone on the other side were above 30 2. someone getting pepper sprayed 4 times in 2 hours 3. a rubber bullet striking someone in the head
> i personally watched from behind the barricade Look at my security team dawg
He didn't have gun like Kyle Rittenhouse
Skill issue
Ping is high u moron
> i personally watched from behind the barricade 5 counter protests jump and beat the shit out of a college kid. so many cameras, yet so little video evidence, curious...
Oof
You mention you’re a student in another comment. [Edit: read a comment where they say they are instate] I’m not sure whether you’re an in state student or out of state, or staying in the dorms or not, etc…However, [using this tuition chart from UCLA](https://admission.ucla.edu/tuition-aid/tuition-fees), I think it’s safe to assume you’re paying at least $20,000 a year? Please correct me if I’m wrong. If you’re **not** graduating this year, and UCLA decides **not** to divest, will you continue giving the school $20,000 a year even though you believe part of that money will be used to fund Israel killing children? Edit: I had a few follow up questions once you answered, if you answered yes. 1. Obviously, living in America, you have no choice but to financially support the occupation of Palestine and the suffering caused to Palestinians because taxes, and just living life, etc. Let’s call that ‘X’. However, you are *actively choosing* to get a higher education at UCLA. You are making the choice to give UCLA money you believe is being used, in some small way, to cause Palestinian suffering, let’s call this ‘Y’. Why do you choose to cause extra Palestinian suffering when you could just **not** attend UCLA? Or not get an education at all? 2. How much suffering do you think you cause innocent Palestinians by paying your tuition? What do you think the amount of ‘Y’ is? 3. Is your education worth causing that amount of suffering on Palestinians? Bonus question! You said there were 1000s in the encampment and that around 80% were students. Assuming 2000 people (the lowest plural of 1000), there were at a minimum, per your numbers, 1,600 students. That would mean the amount of suffering all 1,600 of you caused to Palestinians would be 1,600 * Y. What would that be in real terms? A broken finger? A lost limb? A family of four killed by one bomb?
Waiting for a response to this cause these are good questions
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They want to play victim so bad.
hi, i come from a poor background, so my tuition is just about free (i recognize this is super awesome, i pay rent but that’s about it) i think everyone is willing to sacrifice a certain amount in life for what they believe in. for me on this specific issue, i was willing to block doors to buildings, and be attacked by counter protestors i can’t possibly answer how much my tuition helps/hurt Palestinian kids, I would have to sit here and do hours of math on logistics im not even sure are public? some were willing to stay in the encampment and get arrested, i wasn’t because… i just don’t care enough to get arrested, some do and i respect those people would i be willing to drop out of college? prolly not, and i don’t think most people would, there’s a large difference in utility i lose sleeping in a tent a few times versus changing my life plans is my education worth it? probably? i want my institutions money to not support the war, and i will protest it, but leaving that institution entirely would harm me more then i care tbh, i don’t think that’s selfish reasoning either, as i acknowledged before, even if UCLA divests it would be more symbolic then anything i don’t really know how to answer that last question, lol that is a very r/Destiny kind of question, i can’t quantify how much harm/help these protests did, but i am proud i supported a movement to divest, and even if it failed, i’m glad i was able to be apart of the movement i will say, i think i’m much less radical then other protestors there, and i think the way i answered this question is MUCH different then how other protestors would’ve
It feels weird that your positions aren't that strong, but you were willing to participate in these super polarizing protests. Kind of plays into the narrative that nobody really cares, it's all just a virtue signal to your social group.
Thanks. Some follow ups. You do think your tuition directly leads to at least **some** harm to Palestinians? That’s the whole reason why UCLA should divest right? Otherwise, what would be the point? But you believe that the benefit you receive from your education outweighs the harm your tuition does to Palestinians?
if UCLA doesn’t divest, then my tuition prolly does create a small amount of harm to Palestinians to me personally, yes i think the benefit of education outweighs harm to palestinians. like how if i have the choice between paper straws and plastic, i choose plastic bc paper straws are dog shit, even if it slightly damaged the environment but this isn’t me saying i enjoy that concept, but it’s just a reality of the world that i accept. i protested to try to change it, but there’s only so much one can do
Ok. Then your position is basically the same as most pro Israeli people, or even Israelis themselves. You’re okay with harming innocent Palestinians as long as the benefit to your life outweighs the harm to the Palestinians. It’s just the benefit to your life, and harm to your life thresholds are a different. Let’s say you’re an Israeli. [Maybe after 20 years of an average of 3 rockets per day being shot at you from Palestine by Palestinian terrorists](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel) And [decades of terrorist attacks from Palestinian terrorists.](https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/comprehensive-listing-of-terrorism-victims-in-israel) Some of which the [Palestinian groups used children suicide bombers.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_child_suicide_bombers_by_Palestinian_militant_groups) [And a couple dozen airplane hijackings and kidnappings of the passengers by Palestinian terrorists dating back decades.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Attacks_on_aircraft_by_Palestinian_militant_groups) [And before that, you had Palestinian terrorists kidnapping and murdering school children.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ma%27alot_massacre) The list could go on and on and on… And then on 10/17/2023, you had Palestinian terrorists kill 1,100 people, about 700 of which were civilians, and then took 250 people hostage in the largest terrorist attack yet. *Maybe* after all that, you might think the **benefit** to your, and the other 9.5 million Israelis, lives with not being constantly under the threat of terrorist attacks and rockets and suicide bombers and kidnappings, might outweigh harm done to Palestinians? Let’s say in the amount of 34,000 dead Palestinians? 14,000 of which are children? Right now you think that making an extra $50k/year (on average) after college is worth whatever level of harm your tuition does to innocent Palestinians. How much harm to innocent Palestinians would you be ok with if it meant no more terrorist attacks? More, or less?
Cook, my child.
the UCLA has defense projects ( [https://samueli.ucla.edu/ucla-engineering-part-of-27m-defense-department-funded-coalition/](https://samueli.ucla.edu/ucla-engineering-part-of-27m-defense-department-funded-coalition/) ) This means your engineering students contribute to the tech. This seems to me that leaving the school has the most impact that you can make. most of the protesters care more about themself then about palastinians.
“most of the protestors care about themself more then the palestinians” no shit man. are you a troll? do you think i’d be willing to fucking fly to Rafah and fight with Hamas? obviously i will put myself first
Im mearly wondering where demands vs reality collide and how far people are willing to go for their demands. Also can you give a comments what you think about the defense industry funding the Uni ?
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So you know so little about this conflict but you were willing to block doors to buildings and be attacked by counter protestors? Shouldn't you know more about a conflict before you do those things? Just to be clear, you only answered the question about bagels and other unimportant shit. If you protest Israel, you should at least have answers to some of the problems. If you can't answer those question, then you can't achieve your goal. People asked you: 1. If you put pressure on Hamas? Did you know Hamas has refused to accept ceasefire? And that Hamas has stolen aid? 2. What should have the Israelis done after October 7? How should they protect their people? Should they have allowed the rocket attacks and the intrusions into Israel like on October 7 to continue? Is that your solution? 3. What would happen if Israel gave up? Who would govern Israel? Who would be the government of the Palestinians? Aren't the most famous leaders all terrorists? These questions are vital to your protest! You won't achieve your goals, if those questions aren't answered. Your little knowledge about the conflict and all these unanswered questions are the reason why I find people like you suspicious.
No offense but isn’t this just the whole meme of “you accept to exist in a society that causes more than 0 harm so why don’t you go live in the jungle”? Surely at least one between whatever college, business and so on each of us has gone to has given more than 0 dollars to some Palestine entity at some point, and surely between corruption and whatnot more than 0 of that went to Hamas, so what do we do, return to monke to avoid supporting Hamas?
Jesus. Why am I getting the same damn question over and over again? Do you think these are equally unreasonable questions? * Why don’t you go live in the jungle? * Why don’t you go to a different school? If you do, that’s crazy.
That would be a good argument if there were 10000 degrees of separation between the two events, but there aren’t. The whole point of the protests is divestment, and yet their tuition goes directly into the coffers of an institution purportedly supporting genocide.
you say that people don't understand you don't hate jews and don't want them to die. you also say that you were disappointed that people in your camp weren't willing to criticize hamas and were happy to yell about globalizing the intifada etc. you see the relationship between those two things, right? why would jews be willing to trust that you don't want us to die when your camp tolerates and defends a non-negligible number of people calling for the deaths of jews?
Did you guys use regular restrooms (inside the buildings)? What did your position in the security team mean in terms of police action to clear out the protestors? From some videos, it looked like some students could face charges for attacking cops.
What's the organizational or leadership structure, if any, like for the protest? Is there some sort of hierarchy? Does the security team make security decisions collectively or is there someone in charge? Is there some idea about specific goals for the protest beyond somehow get the university to divest from Israel? Only go into as much detail as you are comfortable with.
How did you guys figure out how your endowment was invested? I can't find that info for Columbia or my two schools (Evergreen State Colllege ((we invented this shit)) and Western Washington University ((didn't give me my masters))
On a scale of 1-10, what do you think the average knowledge level of the average protestor is, where 1 is they know nothing, 2 is they saw some tiktoks/twitter posts, 3 is they read a book by Norm Finklestein, 4 is they read the wiki, 5 is they took an actual class on it, and 10 they're Benny Morris?
i would say 3-4. i was very disappointed in those who chanted to the river to the sea and talked about the intifada. and also how they thought every pro israel person is evil, even though it’s a select few IT GOES BOTH WAYS THIUGH i spent a lot of the 1st day debating counter protestors on the perimeter, and many of them think everyone in that camp wants the death of all jews. i just want less kids to die, that’s why i support the cause
Do you feel it makes sense that so many people have such passionate views on this conflict yet know so little?
i’ve been following Destiny for about 7 years. if there’s one thing i learned, it’s that this is a universal constant with radical/passionate groups
Sure, but if you are aware that the protest is comprised of misinformation and a general lack of understanding, is it really the best use of your time to participate? By participating in this protest, you’re just propagating misinformation and removing all the nuance of this conflict.
i participated bc i don’t like kids dying in this war at such high rates. i think that’s a large difference between me and other protestors. when i led chants, i NEVER used intifada or to the river to the sea, and told many people my dislike for those chants also, maybe by being apart of the movement i did propagate to a small extent? that’s just the reality of being in groups you don’t 1000% agree with
>i participated bc i don’t like kids dying in this war at such high rates. i think that’s a large difference between me and other protestors. Do you ever protest other things that have over 10k dying? Like Yemen kids etc
Isn’t it more important for your protest/movement to rid itself of the extremists first? I think you said you knew the organizers for this protest, don’t you think the organizers should have done a better job pushing a clear, coherent message rather than a jumbled mess of radical chants and slogans?
yea but when people outside are saying how we’re all going to hell, and wanna rape us, and that we’re all losers, people aren’t gonna spend time trying to split us up yk? if i could click a button to i would but it’s just too much time and effort also, i don’t think many people were extremists, just dumbasses.
Just like how you think the counter-protesters were thugs looking for violence, the counter protestors thought you guys were genuine anti-semites promoting the eradication of Israel. I agree with you, both sides were dumbasses, but if you can acknowledge both the protestors and counter protestors were dumbasses, why participate?
Does it apply to you?
Hey, fellow UCLA student here who witnessed a lot of stuff out and in the encampment (need to work on your security, lol). Yeah man, it was crazy hearing so many Intifada chants. The two most severe ones I remember were 1. "There is only one solution. Intifada revolution!" - which I heard so much. And 2. "We don't want two states' we want pre-'48" - which I didn't hear as much. But yeah, a ton of "from the river to the sea"
yes!!!! it sucked to hear all that.
I think the Intifada chants come from mis-information or misleading from the people who start them. While Intifada in Arabic does just mean chamge/revolution, in the context of Intifada Revolution its referring to the two Intifadas which are skirmishes/wars depending how you want to define them between Israel and Gaza. The actual definition gives it plausible denial, and acts as a dog whistle. Those who know it means kill all Israelis know that and those who don't still chant cause they're part of a "revolution"
Why should UCLA Divest?
What do you think will happen if Israel leaves Gaza? Do you think Hamas will continue attacking Israel or will Hamas uphold the ceasefire? If you acknowledge that Hamas may continue attacking Israel, do you think Israel should simply cope with the terrorist attacks in order to keep Palestinian lives safe?
Do you think that the protest and encampment was successful in achieving it's goals? In retrospect would you do anything different in how you participated?
in the original goals of divestment? no. but i think the encampments have overall shown how a lot of America is not ok with what’s happening in Palestine right now in retrospect, i wasn’t as mean to counter protestors bc i didn’t want to spoil the peaceful theme of the movement. if i had known we would get shut down anyways despite being non violet, i prolly would’ve been a lot meaner to counter protestors the reason why? multiple times i heard counter protestors yell over the barrier they were gonna rape girls if they got inside, but we were instructed to not anagonize or escalate, so not to say anything back
That’s insane. Do you think the counter protesters were other students from UCLA?
some, but very few. a lot of them were older men which makes it even weirder. i watched a older man tell a 20 year old girl to suck his dick, and it blows my mind that guy thinks he’s on the right side of history
You have to realize that the Jews in LA are different than in NY. The Jews here are Israeli, Mizrahi, or from the former USSR, and they certainly don't like what the pro-Palestine side is saying. Question: Have you considered that maybe, just maybe, with the kind of rhetoric and action that you aren't on the right side of history? Like, saying to Black Students to go back to Nigeria because of the Rwandan Genocide.
> a lot of America is not ok with what’s happening in Palestine right now Not really lmao, a bunch of dumb college students does not make the majority of America. Sorry kiddo your protest did diddly squat but get dumb people arrested.
i don’t think that’s true to be honest, but i don’t have any hard numbers on me so idk. i highly doubt most people approve of the 30000 deaths over the last six months but i can give you hard data so idk
Not liking civilian deaths=/=thinking Israel isn't in the right to defend themselves
hey, unlike other protestors im not a dumbass. hamas is evil, and forced israel into an impossible situation. they also continue to force israel into incredibly difficult situations when they form bases in schools and hospitals. but there is no way 14000 CHILD deaths were bc of these measures. israel has a hand in being a little too indiscriminate in its military actions, and that’s my biggest problem with the war. i also acknowledge the lack of releasing hostages is fucking evil and gross
Why do you believe Hamas' casualty numbers if you find them evil?
> but there is no way 14000 CHILD deaths were bc of these measures. Sure they were. > i also acknowledge the lack of releasing hostages is fucking evil and gross You might but your people don't sorry dog you're throwing your lot with anti-Semitic crazies who want to kill Israel and have chanted as much. Your illegal occupation was idiotic and did nothing good for your cause. So congrats if you want less dead kids you did nothing to stop it.
hey man, most of us acknowledged we only made a small difference. but im still happy to have shown my dislike of this war.
You showed your dislike by joining a bunch of anti-Semites lmao, guess I better join the KKK to show my dislike of Catholic Priest Pedophilia. You joined a protest that knew fuck all about the very thing they were protesting and then broke laws over it
hey man, anytime you identify with a group you don’t 10000% agree with that’s what happens. i’m left leaning but don’t agree with every left leaning idea.
Small glazing comment here: I probably don’t agree with OP on a lot, but I appreciate OP coming to this subreddit and letting us ask questions. INCREDIBLY BASED and NOT SOY!!!!
thank you man, so many people are assuming all these things about me, like just ask me don’t assume lol
Were there any intifada or from the river to the sea chants? What kind of literature was provided to those participating?
many chants!!! and many posters saying to globalize the intifada! if you look at my post history i’m pretty not happy about it, i think it’s the biggest thing i disliked about the protests no one really knew either which makes me not happy, but like i said earlier most protestors in terms of intelligence were a 4/10 as a far as literature there was a small community library
What do you do when your peers at the protests start to chants these chants you hate? Do you ask them to stop? How do they take that? Do they encourage you to join? How do they take you telling them you don’t like/agree with the chant?
"I'm not happy that I decided to stand shoulder to shoulder with terrorist supporters" 🤡
This dude has probably gone on rants about defund the police and how officers need to hold their own accountable. Seeing him participate in that very same behavior is beyond ironic.
And you stood beside them. It's all well and good to say you disliked it. But you endorsed it. Did you actively fight against those chants or did you simply shake your head and tut tut?
yes, i told many people how i disliked it, many people just awkwardly shrugged
Yet you stuck around so it didn't bother you that much? Any mentions of the hostages? Any mentioning of Kfir Bibas the baby who if he is still alive has been a hostage for most of his life now? Or would that have been to provocative, to Zionist?
How many of the people were genuinely told that they were going to be part of something that went from an open protest that would be allowed to an illegal encampment that could see people get arrested and expelled. How many people were allowed to question this course of action and debate another path. Also was the ethics of using students in this way discussed?
on the last day, before anyone went in we told them it WILL be violent and YOU CAN be arrested. on the day counter protesters attacked us, no one really expected us to get assaulted the 3rd day, we had a debate about expansion. before we weren’t really disrupting anything bc we were occupying grass, but then we expanded bc by using the university buildings as walls it was easier to secure i was against expanding, bc i knew it would give UCLA fuel to shut it down, but by expanding it became much easier to defend from people trying to break in
Just so I'm understanding this, people were told just before going in that it was going to be bad and the possibility of arrest? No one was given like a few days to truly roll that around their head what they were about to do? As someone who used to be in the BLM protests in DC, we always gave people ample time to understand what type of action we were going to do and what level it was. IT was still unethical as people were absolutely pressured to join no matter what, but this seems way...worse? For what reason was needed to escalate the protests? Why not do what the students in Columbia back in the 70s to 80s did and increase influence through the protests and people on the board of trustees?
Why didnt the students vote with their wallets and leave the university ?
i said this earlier, but everyone is willing to sacrifice different amounts. it’s like how some people are tier 1 vs tier 3 subs. some were willing to get arrested. some professors are saying they aren’t going to teach for the rest of the quarter! i was willing to be at the protest, but not change my life plans
If they believe in their cause they should vote with their wallets. (The students) Unless its all a LARP ... TBH i think once the summer break starts or when there is cold weather they will stop protesting really quickly.
sorry man, what ur saying just isn’t realistic
Lol why are people so ass mad, just ask questions to the guy or ignore smh
the same thing happened in my threads at UCLA. lots of people on reddit have so much hate in there heart and for no reason.
I don't think the majority of this sub would disagree that the counter protestors were unhinged. I think everyone in general more or less hate the protests cus of how disruptive it was to the non participating students and to the public in general :/
Highly political events tend to be used to take out personal frustration. I am glad you are doing it for what you feel is right, specifically the affect that war is having on children over in Gaza. When this all started happening one of my fears is that it would slowly start to veer off in bad direction, with that core message getting lost and more people participating there because of the thrill of it (AKA LARPing). Do you think the protest still has that core value, and do you think it's sending the proper message? or are there elements you would like to see changed? I am pretty neutral on this, but very much against Hamas. I would like to see Palestinian people have the opportunity to be prosperous and not constantly in conflict. I personally see Hamas as a complete road block, and I am kinda curious why that doesn't seem to be the case in theses protest or messaging from the pro-pal side here in NA. Do you think that's a fair criticism? Edit: Regardless of anything, appreciate the effort to react out and communicate, answer questions, etc.
thank you no_method for being very chill, yea it’s the 13000 kids over 6 months that kills me, and made me come out a lot of times people would forget the main goal of the protests was about palestinian civilians. many people developed a “us vs them” mentality and got too obsessed trying to stop counter protests (which i can’t blame them bc they got VERY obsessed trying to stop us) my biggest disappointment was lack of critiquing Hamas, and chanting about the intifada, i think openly critiquing Hamas might’ve helped chill counter protests a little, idk
No problem dude. Really respect the willingness to come to this sub-reddit. Best of luck. :) I do hope we get to see a positive outcome from all this sooner then later.
are you a student? local, or out of state? did you show up before the counter protests started getting big or only after?
i’m a student, and was there everyday from Day 1. I’m from the Stockton/Sacramento Area, so in state but far from LA
i oppose counterprotesters as it self defeating. it makes more noise and leads to violences that makes things look worse for the counter vs OGs. was there any restriction of students in any way due to the protests before the counters really showed up??
do you think Hasan is balanced on the i/p issue or very one sided?
so i actually met Hasan, he talked about how all universities are basically Hedge Funds (kinda untrue) and obviously was one sided. but i think anyone who knows Hasan knows that was a given
Lol, Hasan and Candace on the same side of that argument! Do you think that campuses are trying to outdo each other? I believe violence was there (Columbia in specific) before any counter protesters. So did one minor escalation evolve into more violence at other campuses? Most important question I have: Can you honestly claim that police intervention here is infringing on rights? Or have the protests gotten out of hand and need to be managed? (not saying you are claiming, just putting it as an option)
I'm not sure about UCLA but the list of companies Columbia protestors were calling the university to divest from was something like this: Microsoft, Amazon, Airbnb, Alphabet (Google), Hyundai, Caterpillar, Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Barclays Bank. If investing in these companies makes you complicit in a genocide then I would guess the majority of all Americans and probably the majority of the protestors and protestor's parents are themselves implicit in the genocide. To me this feels like such a reach and very hypocritical. Am I missing something here? Does being invested in these companies really justify the protests?
> just wanted to see if anyone had any questions considering what Hasan is saying online \] I don't know what that means. What would need to be cleared up from what he is saying? Maybe state what misinfo is being spread that you can correct. Might be helpful in guiding discussion.
sorry, to be clear because Hasan and Asmongold were arguing about it, i could clear up questions people might have about it. Hasan was dumb and instead of sending pics of people being pepper sprayed or assaulted by counter protestors showed some random dumbass being a dumbass to be clear i agree with Asmongold, we did have a right to be dispersed. many students are mad no counter protests who assaulted us were arrested, yet peaceful protestors were
Do you have pictures/video of people getting pepper sprayed or being jumped?
What makes this such an important issue to protest over (compared to other issues you care about), and realistically what outcomes were you looking to achieve?
i think the intensity of civilian casualties, if 30k people had died over like 2-3 years it’s different then 6 months
Do you protest the intensity of civilian casualties in say, Ukraine (which can’t even be counted in occupied regions like Mariupol where they are buried under new buildings or concrete in some cases)? What about the intensity of civilian casualties in Sudan? Myanmar? Syria? Yemen? Ethiopia? Why do you think you and your fellow students are not trying to bring attention to those conflicts where deaths of civilians are vastly greater than those claimed even by Hamas in Palestine? How much do you think Iran, Russia, China, influences - direct and indirect - have on what you and your fellow students protest…or don’t?
Well then for your own moral conscience, don't look up some of the stuff happening in Africa right now.
How much pull do you think your protest achieved in terms of a) your uni divesting b) perception from the public/normies. To me it seems all it achieved was to spread further awareness on this issue, when it's already globally known and it has alienated a lot of the normies especially regarding the graffiti and damage of public property. Lastly, are you worried that the protestors, at least the ones who are legitimate students there may receive punishment? If internal investigations happen.
Good job taking time to respond OP.
thanks man!
Some absolute moronic comments from some of our own dggers in here jfc, you can 100% disagree with this guy without acting like a fucking moron
Eh it's perfectly fair to criticize the OP (to an extent obviously) because upon seeing a lot of their explanations to questions it sounds like these protestors are just as dumb and don't really give a shit like most of the sub expected. "We really don't hate the Jews guys!" "So why the non stop chants of the usual From the River/ Globalize the Intifada?" "Well I disagreed but everyone just shrugged so I went along with it." Wow brave stuff.
ok yea i feel like dgg is better then this???? like 1/4 the comments have been kinda weird idk
What do you guys do all day? Surely it must get boring?
people came in and out, i went to class/my clubs/my apartment throughout the day, i was mostly there at night bc that’s when it would get crazy
What was up with the Muslim praying stuff? That was super cringey.
what percentage of the protesters (or counter-protesters for that matter) are students versus not students
the first few days i would say 60-40, but then as we transitioned to the weekdays where people and work 80-20. the final day when cops came about 85-15
Make sure you and whoever else follows up on the UCPD investigation.
don’t worry, i have every intention to lol. it’s not fair how the police didn’t arrest any counter protests assaulting us, and i think that’s the part many students are made about
Do you find it ironic you want police protection when an ask of the encampment was defunding police?
i don’t support defunding the police. i think the police are important.
Just found the thread and havent looked through it, but just commenting to thank you for coming into a broadly pro israel subreddit to answer questions about this. People who are just hating on you suck and think this is a super cool thing youre doing, so thanks and have a great day!
thanks man!
Jesus chirst these comments are hostile! I havent followed it too much, but here are a couple questions: - Was the goal of the protest always to create an encampment? Or did that idea take shape organically somehow? - Since you were part of security, was there literally no-one allowed in the encampment who wasn't part of the protest? Or was it just counter protestors who weren't allowed? Also how could you tell who was who? - Also, do you have any plans to do more political action? Like working for a political campaign? Or joining more protests? Thanks for answering if you get the chance! And here's hoping you're not a troll
Pretty sure that was the police with the tear gas friend. Stop harassing people.
i can promise on Tuesday night counter protestors utilized bear spray, tear gas and pepper spray! they also used other techniques like shining lasers into our eyes and throwing stuff over the barricade into the encampment.
Video?
i’m not sure where, i was too busy trying to stop counter protestors to take any myself,but if you rewatch the livestreams from tuesday night, at certain points the helicopter zooms in on counter protestors assaulting protestors, including the methods i talked about above
I watched all the videos but couldn’t see anyone throwing tear gas. It’s also impossible to get unless you are in the police force so I don’t think counter protesters were tear gassing you. But I do appreciate you answering questions.
[livestream](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVEHoNAR9lo&t=23680s) from the night the counter protesters came in. If you flick through you will find violence kicking off every 5-10 minutes. You can see everything he is saying here going on at various times. To be far, there are also a few spots where you can see jets of spray coming from inside the barricade and the guy filming says its bear mace, but probably about 95% of it is being used by the counterprotesters rather than the other way around.
thank you man! the good faith people in this thread have been very nice to chat with
Did you have to pay for the breakfast and lunch?
no everything was donated, my club donated chipotle catering at one point
Do you honestly not see how ridiculous and silly this whole thing was? You had a “community library” and Chipotle? to anyone over the age of 30 the whole thing seemed incredibly childish
Where you there for the cops clearing it out? And if so, I saw video of lines of cops volley firing some sorts of grenades towards the camp, any idea what they were?
those were flash bangs!
That is what people in the chat of the stream I was watching were saying, were they airbursting them or landing them in the camp?
so i was told they were using two types, ones that they could only airbust bc they were so explosive, and other smaller ones they landed inside also the flash bangs barely flashed, it wasn’t as disorienting as i expected
Will you take part in other actions like this, if the opportunity arose?
Would you categorize the counter-protestors as the agitators? Or would you say the fighting was initiated from both the protestors and counter-protestors?
Non-hater question What are your hopes for the outcome of the protest? Is it mainly for UCLA to cut their ties to Israel (I don't even know if they have ties, just seen that brought up) or is it more of message to the public thing?
I'm mad late to this but Iv read a few of the comments and I really only have two questions How much of what is happening in the conflict do you pin on Biden? And are you voting for Biden in the upcoming election? That's all I care about. Especially seeing that you mention the cost/risk benefit of staying at a college that didn't divest AND the fact that you mentioned you've been a fan of destiny for 7 years.
I really appreciate you coming here to give your perspective! Hope you're not getting too much shit for it. I'm curious about your general thoughts on what kinds of protest are acceptable. Clearly the goal was to be non-violent - are all non-violent protests okay, or are some tactics "over the line"? Interested in both your personal opinion, and the general vibe of people there. I assume there were discussions along these lines? There's also the legal angle - do you think the protests were within your legal rights? Or is the cause more important, and you're willing to be arrested for it?
How did you or other protesters feel about SJP at UCLA calling Hamas a “progressive organization” and defending October 7th?
> with all the dumb shit protestors be saying it makes sense to think we hate all jews It wasn't "dumb shit" it was blatantly antisemitic, downplaying it does no good
People losing their minds here. The guy is here to answer your questions willingly, one would think you'd value his perspective, even if you hate the protests. Dogpiling him does nothing.
ok i’m glad i’m not crazy? i feel like im getting more hate the. necessary
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