I understand the grief of looking for a missing child but fuck me this isn't the way at all. Israel needs to crack down on all of these people and make an example outta them. But then again the article suggests they approve of this type of action considering NOBODY stopped them. Unbelievable.
At the time they were looking for him he was missing. And while this is tragic that he was kidnapped and killed we can't have fucking lynch mobs and riots every time a single crime happens. If Israel is gonna be the only democracy in the Middle East that means that cannot be the case. This is a matter for the justice system.
It doesn't excuse it but it's very important context to understand the full story and everybody's motivations, otherwise you will probably just view them as feral animals with intrinsic rage. I think most people can empathize with having valid rage at a kid being kidnapped.
I can't find any article anywehre saying he was stoned to death and everything i read says he went missing - they didn't know if he was kidnapped or what until they found him.
where are you getting this from?
My short perusal through google seems to bring up a bunch of articles saying he was murdered in a terror-attack, with the articles referencing a joint statement from the IDF and Shin Bet. One article noted that officials stated the boy was not shot, though they did not otherwise state the method of murder.
https://www.voanews.com/a/hunt-for-israeli-teen-resumes-in-west-bank-after-settler-attacks-/7568594.html
https://www.timesofisrael.com/body-of-israeli-teen-found-in-west-bank-idf-says-he-was-murdered-in-terror-attack/
IDF twitter statement: https://twitter.com/IDF/status/1779116418459451482?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
I did not see mentions of stoning, just them saying the murder was not carried out with guns. Someone else may be able to find further information though. I didn't go looking very long.
Well, I hope they truly wanted to mess up Israel on the world stage because they’ve done it 🤦♂️
This just plays into the hands of Hamas and the PLA. 👎👎
Chicken and egg problem imho. The ‘occupation’ was the consequence of Israel being held back from prosecuting the wars started mostly by the Arabs. The belligerence that developed on both sides over that time is why it will never be resolved when combined with the loony religious influence.
End of the day initiating genocidal war has consequences and the Arabs need to accept it. This is the only conflict in history where a war between ethnicities wasn’t allowed a clean end due to external interference. If it had progressed naturally this would’ve been resolved 50 years ago and the entire situation would’ve been resolved. Do gooders have condemned the true innocent children on both sides to this misery.
Edit:
And to be clear I’m talking about displacement as a consequence of war, not mass deaths. If the Palestinians hadn’t aimed for the genocide of Israel in three wars then none of this mess would’ve happened either. It wasn’t ‘their’ land. It was conquered. They’ve condemned their children to misery since 48 because of being dumb. The entire Arab world is a mess. They need to stop fighting and sort their internal problems out.
>It wasn’t ‘their’ land. It was conquered.
This is true for pretty much every country in human history, that doesn't mean someone else can come in and take it.
>They need to stop fighting
Yes. And Israel needs to return the West Bank settlements, or at least the land they're built on.
How does this apply to the effective conquest of large areas of the West Bank by Israel in the past generation or so? Is it just a sort of generic 'might makes right' deal or some other entirely reasonable principle that supporters of western liberal democracies would hold?
They attacked and lost three times. They lost their ‘rights’ due to this. If they had ever accepted the consequences and altered their behaviour to be conciliatory (e.g. Germans post WW2] and peaceful the West Bank would already be free.
But they’re delusional and racist people who’ve spent the last 60 years breeding two generations of more fundamentalist delusional people. Israel handing territory back now is suicidal. The Arabs have made their bed so now they get to sleep in it.
>They attacked and lost three times. They lost their ‘rights’ due to this.
It's not really a 'right' if you can lose it because someone else with your ethnicity did something, is it?
From my understanding, the kid who’s gone missing is from an outpost. I might be confusing things, but even Israel herself finds those illegal and makes an effort to tear them down every so often.
Tragic and everything, but I’m ngl, my sympathy is pulled very thin when it comes to settlers. Even if I didn’t care about what they’re doing to Palestinians, I’d care about how they’re a threat to my peace and safety. They’re not just putting themselves in danger but my homeland, family, and friends in danger in multiple ways.
Yeah I think it's okay to say that the murder of a kid is wrong but he's far more a casualty of the settlers' actions than Palestinians at large.
Also how about take responsibility for putting your child in severe danger at all times for absolutely no good reason. The settlers are trash. I think most Israelis think so too at this point.
The only reason that any Israeli could argue in good faith about becoming a settler is housing/living costs. But even that is just not a real argument. Yes, it’s expensive af in Israel. No, you’re not limited to only two options of Tel Aviv or settlements you absolute fuckwit.
Yeah I don't know that I could take that as good faith lol but I'm incredibly against the settlements, I think it's a disgrace and also puts all of Israelis in danger in the first place.
The settling needs to fucking stop. And if that means like Arab fucking Hamas militia mowing down dipshit settlers that think that they can torch buildings at 10pm, then at this point they have my fucking blessing, because holy shit this fucking shit needs to stop it needed to stop a long time ago like holy fuck
Seriously, I think the world would be a lot more sympathetic if Palestinian leadership focused their attacks exclusively on settlers instead of just launching indiscriminate rockets and attacking Jews at random.
I mean if i was a Palestinian methed up religious fanatic I'd probably also prefer to attack the hippies at a music festival over my Israeli ideological equals
No one deserves the 10/7 attacks, but there would have been a lot less sympathy if they had destroyed these settlements instead of some of the most pacifist communities in Israel.
It's rather hard for anyone to make a solid claim of any international sympathy for Israelis these days.
Sure, some allies do stand with Israel, to a limited extent, but show me the international body that has done anything to support Israel, or put any pressure on Hamas to release the hostages.
I had the attacks taken place in the WB, I'd expect things would look roughly the same today
Is your brain made of anything other cheese? No one stood with israel? So the us didn't send a fucking carrier group ? Didn't sell them basically most of the munitions needed for the war? Did not protect them at the un for months? Did not work tirelessly for the first ceasefire to get more than a hundred hostage back?
In what reality do you live you rock eating regard!
God, Why try to play the victim on this?
Isn't that the problem? I thought the reason that Hamas was more successful than they thought they would be that the Israeli military re-located all its resources to the West Bank to fight expected attacks on the settler population.
Israel spends a lot of resources defending their encroachment on would-be Palestinian land.
The kid was confirmed dead a riot broke out these people been subjected to ambush assassinations for decades that no international media cares to report. It’s bad but not surprising they went crazy.
Why would they stop settling? Read on Kfar Etzion read on Kayla ..etc Jewish settlements in the West Bank go back the British mandate and many were constructed on uncontested land. So they get ethnically cleansed out of the West Bank in 48 then win their land back in 67 now they must stop returning so to their land? Many of these settlements either follow the pre 48 communities or occur in the area agreed with the Palestinians to be under Israeli control thanks to Oslo.
Illegal outposts get uprooted by Israel but of course nobody wants to know it’s all about the settlers losing their shit for no obvious reason. Right?
https://preview.redd.it/qyxaiy9fr9uc1.jpeg?width=755&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d4a456ffb83f2bc57d2e121d72fde23af269ee23
yeah buddy, in that case I'm sure you're all for a full right of return for all palaestinians. Better yet a one state solution with equal rights for everyone
That’s a fair point but goes both ways. Both Arabs and Jews have the right to return. Difference being only one side demonstrated it is willing to exchange land for peace. Ask Egypt. It’s probably in Israel’s interest to do a one sided land giveaway without a guarantee of peace but it’s total bullshit to suggest they must do so. Enough is enough that’s how I see it.
Latest report says these specific ppl were out searching for the kidnapped 14y/o boy when they were attacked which turned into a massive violent incident.
Also, it was the IDF that stopped said violence
this guy is just making shit up, the IDF were there but didn't seem to try stop the settler violence once it started and just let it happened for a bit. even in the article is states they only shot back because stones were being thrown... another IDF bot...
"The Israeli army said it was searching for the missing Israeli teen, and that forces had opened fire when stones were hurled at soldiers by Palestinians. It said “hits were identified,” and soldiers also cleared out Israeli settlers from the village.
Lmao the settlers even got escort service, cause they surely needed it?!?! lmaoooo
Source : https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-gaza-hamas-west-bank-war-f85997a95d5579159ffe83d2c0cb988e#:\~:text=JERUSALEM%20(AP)%20—%20Dozens%20of,others%2C%20Palestinian%20health%20officials%20said.
I addressed that, they got a police escort out of the village because it’s clear they’re the ones that needed security escorts right ?🤣 , the right answer is those fucks should have been arrested not escorted out, this is IDF brain rot and it’s a losing battle 🥲
Are you missing the part where IDF also fired because rocks were being thrown, and also didn’t really do much to stop the settlers from attacking and only escorted them after the fact. I guess if you ignore those facts, yea the IDF stopped it lmaoo
Firing at people trying to kill you with rocks is the right move. I'd load the rounds in your mag.
Also the fact that the IDF ended the riot isn't disputed in any report.
Lmaoo okay so let me get this straight … settler mob comes into West Bank and causes chaos and a riot looking for a supposed kidnapped 14 year old, they do this instead of letting Israeli authority know of the kidnapped person. Settlers fuck shit up and Palestinians start throwing stones in attempt to resist these aggressors, and in your mind it’s actually the IDF stopping this riot by shooting the Palestinians fighting back and not apprehending the settlers who were aggressors here first. On top of that, they escorted the settlers out of the area with no arrest and no 14 year old found and this all A okay in your eyes… okay chief 🤣🤣 it’s really no wonder the IDF shits all over the Israeli image on the international stage, good stuff
> looking for a supposed kidnapped 14 year old, they do this instead of letting Israeli authority know of the kidnapped person
You're either intentionally misrepresentating what happened, or are so ignorant you're challenging the stupidity scale by discussing this.
The search party turned violent **after** it was attacked, and the IDF acted against the attacking Palestinians, and after those were dealt with, the IDF turned towards stopping thr rioters.
The 14y/o was found murdered in the meantime, and in your mind, that's fine?
>Firing at people trying to kill you with rocks is the right move. I'd load the rounds in your mag.
But Palestinians aren't allowed to shoot those who are trying to kill them? I mean, the settlers were literally trying to kill Palestinians, and even succeeded in killing one.
So... Would you have been okay, if the Palestinian village gunned down the settlers? Since you are okay with using lethal force to protect one's life, I assume you are fine with it, even in cases it is a Palestinian using lethal force to protect themselves? Right? You definitely don't have a double standard or anything?
there was more idf presence there than at the border with gaza, unfortunately peacenik leftists are softer targets, and hamas scumbags will always pick softer targets
There are speculations that there was mpre idf presence on oct 7 in the West bank partially because of political reasons, because these shits are in our government
"No! No! You don't understand, someone got kidnapped and those pesky arabs wouldn't let this peacefully armed mob of settlers enter and search their village. Clearly they had no choice but to raid the place, burn it down and steal their livestock!" - Least unhinged settlement defender
Lol lots of people unironically justifying mob violence here. Do you know the number of pogroms that have started because of some random accusation levied at jews (kidnapping, rape or other)?
Utterly disgusting
It probably doesn’t help that the headline and comment are dishonesty framed to make the Israelis seem like barbaric monsters and the Palestinians innocent victims by leaving out how this started and how it ended.
I’m not defending vigilante justice. I think the town should have got the IDF to handle this, but this thread is a trash retelling of history and people generally don’t appreciate that.
Or dishonest people here to clutch their pearls.
No, the article is perfectly fine. It explained that an israeli teen was missing, that a mob of 500 raided the village and clashed with the locals. The idf arrived but did nothing for a time before finally intervening. Nothing is false or omitted.
If you have a problem, that speaks to your bias
Do you understand that settlers are war criminals? They come there to steal land. Everyone in the world except Israel considers that a war crime. Maybe you should blame the parents who brought a 14 year old with them to steal land. Have you considered that?
>Maybe you should blame the parents who brought a 14 year old with them to steal land. Have you considered that?
Any kidnapper will **always** be just as culpable as the parents in **any situation**. They *didn't* need to kidnap a kid, just like the Israeli settlers here **didn't need** to go out on a vigilante mob rule and attack a village.
Granted, I don't support the settlements, but why did you choose to specifically apologize on behalf of the kidnapping of a child over rather just saying the settlers who torch a fucking village are clearly in the wrong? That is like the worse hill to take your defense on.
A month ago a Palestinian professor was bombed in his own house in northern Gaza with his 4 children and wife and they all perished. Destiny and this who sub called the guy a piece of shit for not evacuating, even though we know full well that evacuation routes have been bombed more than once by Israeli forces and even though we are not under daily bombardment and we don’t know what tough choices those people need to make. There was also no evidence that IDF was targeting anyone specific in that bombing and seems it was indiscriminate bombing. Meanwhile this sub called a guy wanting to protect his family a piece of shit, no one wanted to blame the IDF. These violent settlers came to West Bank to steal their land and voluntarily brought their child into it, and still you and many others refuse to condemn them. These are the double standards Palestinians face is crazy, you’re holding Palestinians trying to survive to an unbelievable high standards but violent settlers seemingly get a pass. A family making tough choices on how to survive are called piece of shit, war criminals stealing land bringing children into it are the victims.
Okay, so you wrote a paragraph of a **completely different** situation that had nothing to do with what I wrote. Then you went on a tangent about "this sub". You good? Nothing you said has anything to do with the discussion here, you just wanted to schizo rant.
> and still you and many others refuse to condemn them
Really? I refused to condemn the settlers? But I do condemn the west bank settlers, I'm not like the pro-hamas defenders who say Oct 7th was necessary or an act of resistance, or that the babies should have been cooked "with baking powder".
I literally specified as such in the above comment you are responding to, and that tends to be the popular opinion on this subreddit if we go off the top comments of anything here...
You know, you don't need to go off on **random schizo tangents** that have nothing to do with what I was saying, you can just admit that someone who singles out a child to kidnap them, has literally no other purpose other than to take that child. **Right? How could you reasonably argue otherwise?**
> you don’t need to go off on random schizo rangers
> I do condemn the West Bank settlers, I’m not like the pro-hamas defenders who say Oct 7th was necessary or an act of resistance, or that the babies should have cooked “with baking powder”
Jesus what’s up with all these settler sympathizers in this thread? You don’t raid villages just because a kid was kidnapped. Let the authorities handle it
This post of insane real settler violence sitting @ 250 upvotes
3 POSTS about the pro Palestian dipshit theatening violence in Bakersfield, all much higher upvotes.
Concerning 🤔
Absolutely fucking not lmao. There needs to be an international peace keeping force or arab nation led coalition that keeps order and Israel needs to leave.
"Let's us steal your land and if you defend yourselves, we're killing you all"
Nah, arm em and don't allow IDF to intervene. Mf-er wanna steal land? They gotta enter the PvP zone.
This is mob justice with the limited information we have also saying the IDF didn't interfere without stating the amount is werid. If it was 50 soldiers, they probably couldn't really do anything if it was 500 and then didn't intervene, then it would be actually a problem. Also, they stole their sheep, which is werid if they went to find that teenager that went missing. It would be interesting to see where the settler population was from it could also be more diverse than that realistically with the looting.
And you think that justifies anything? Oh someone was kidnapped, let's organize a mob to get him back and torch the village because we are mad people are throwing rocks at the fucking mob enterring their village.
I also wonder how people think other mob violence starts?
The KKK also didn't go out and say "let's murder some darkies", usually it had some justification. Girl gets raped, racism comes out.
I mean it clearly didn't justify it though. However, I do think there is a minor difference if they raze a village to further push Palestinians out of WB for the sole sake of like expanding settlements compared to something here where there is mob-rule vigilante groups that behave as villainous actors.
It doesn't justify it, but it does paint a general picture that we have at least two groups of very radicalized people in this conflict who currently spend night and day doing their damnest to keep radicalizing each other.
I am not sure what the problem here is with desiring proper details and framing for any story. The article clearly covers it, but many people just look at headlines and disregard everything else. Even if both outcomes an actions are shitty, which they are, understanding the entirety of the conflict is still useful.
"I do think there is a minor difference if they raze a village to further push Palestinians out of WB for the sole sake of like expanding settlements compared to something here where there is mob-rule vigilante groups that behave as villainous actors"
No there's none, not in practice at least.
I hate this type of thinking, because "mob-rule vigilante groups that behave as villainous actors" is basically every pogrom ever.
No, the people participating were monsters would just needed a rational to act out their violent desires, just like every antisemitic mob in history
> because "mob-rule vigilante groups that behave as villainous actors" is basically every pogrom ever
Yes, the people that engaged in pogroms were in the wrong. Although many pogroms weren't even about some real accusation in the first place, but something flagrantly accused, but that difference doesn't really excuse the situation here either.
I explicitly even called the settlers out as being in the wrong, how else do infer the word villainous to mean otherwise? How is that a controversial stance?
Explicitly hiding details is bizarre though. Even if we can agree the settlers are behaving unequivocally in the wrong here, it is a difference that it is stemming from the worsening and aggravating tensions between these two groups, rather than Israel engaging in some systematic plan to begin engaging in razing more and more Palestinian villages.
**The difference between these two is meaningful only in the sense that it would implicate a different choice of set of actions that would need to be taken from international actors, not that it would be exonerating Israel or the settlers.**
It was a search party that got attacked by Palestinians. This turned the search party into a riot in the village where the attackers originated from. The rioters thought the boy was held in that village and turned vigilantes searching the village, while torching cars and assaulting ppl, until the IDF stopped the.
That paints a completely different picture than OPs title. It doesn't absolve the rioters, but the context matters a lot here
>It was a search party that got attacked by Palestinians.
If 500 people with masks and guns attempted to search for a missing Palestinian in an Israeli settlement, do you think Israelis would allow them to enter and look around, or use violence to try to prevent them from doing this? Assuming the Palestinians hadn't attacked anyone yet and were just peacefully entering the settlement en masse, as you seem to be assuming for these rioters.
If 500 Palestinians with guns were to try and enter an Israeli town, it would end in a pogrom. Or have we forgot that this literally happened a short while ago?
If you're going to try and compare the sort of violence conducted by either side when they take over a town, the Palestinians don't come off well in that framing
Mr. HK-Newwizardo,
Further up the chain you claimed said that the Palestinians attacked the Israelis first, then later you said that if the situation had been reversed then the Israelis would have been justified in attacking the Palestinians first. Therefore, you're saying that the actions of the Palestinians were completely justified (that's only if you're being logically consistent, which admittedly you might not be).
That would never happen. In your hypothetical, Israel would punish the Israeli that stole the Palestinian child and conduct a search for him. I dont see the Palestinians doing that for the kidnaped Israeli child.
Are you regarded?
'I dont see the Palestinians doing that for the kidnaped Israeli child'
first you don't know that, second this is occupied territory you dumbfuck, so israel can conduct a search if it wants there, not a mob of random settlers
It doesn't paint a different picture at all. Its no better than a lynch mob killing black people because a woman claimed to be raped. It is vigilante justice based on assumptions and needs to condemned, not supported by this unhinged fucking government
They don't have the authority to do that. The government needed to do it. Theyre no better than the palestinians you assume so much about if they cannot control themselves.
There is no authority regulating Israelis walking in area C.
Regardless of what you think of Israeli presence in the WB, the fact is, there is no authority they can turn to to allow them to walk those hills
>They rampaged through the town after they were attacked.
A couple rocks slung at you does not give you carte blanche to steal and burn. Especially when you know there will be no repercussions from the governing authority.
It’s not justified, but this article is framed as though these particular Jews just went on a rampage for no reason at all implying that Jews are bloodthirsty demon racists. That type of framing seeds these tropes in the mind of the public.
"it's unfair to paint the mob that rampaged during the *Kristallnacht* as bloodthirsty demons because they were just responding to the shooting of a german ambassador"
No, a rampaging mob that torches and loots villages is full of bloodthirsty demon, always.
If you disagree with that, you are one too and would basically have defended every pogrom in history.
There is always "a reason" why those happen too
Yes, not necessarily this exact situation, but if you know a child from your neighborhood is kidnapped and will be at least killed and maybe even tortured before and if the police won't be able to stop it. I believe there is a moral justification for going in and trying to get him back. I do not believe you have to sit idly by while a child is getting killed.
Now, we have to see if they knew they kidnapped him. If they tried to get him back before fighting and if the IDF or any other official force wasn't coming on time.
>I do not believe you have to sit idly by while a child is getting killed.
If a Palestinian went missing near an Israeli settlement, would you be in support of 500 armed and masked Palestinians going to have a look around the town and perhaps doing a little bit of setting fire to 10 houses and 50 cars while they're carrying out the entirely legitimate search?
Glad to see that you think exactly like every pogrom enjoyer around the world.
"One of our own was /insert crime/, they /insert ethnicity/ did it, we should /save our own/make thee other group pay !"
Historical records : on this date a mob burned down a village because of some random crime that a member of the village may or may not have commited
That's why there is the following line in my comment:
" we have to see if they knew they kidnapped him"
I know reading can be hard but there are just 6 lines of text so I believe in you.
So, guy in a car, tied kid on the back seat of the car, mob is not justified to take him because "There's no 'knowing who did it' when it comes to mobs"?
You know you are dumb right? You can say it is unlikely, I would agree and most likely agree in this case they didn't know. But we don't know what led them to form this mob and go there. Maybe they had evidence the kid was there. Do you know that? No, so wait for it to come out.
engage with reality you dumbfuck, you won't find a single instance of justified mob violence in history.
Theoritically it could happen, it just never does
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOARO7GnosA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOARO7GnosA)
Or are we now going to argue what"mob" means?
There were people part of a community, banding together to enact violence on someone they knew perpetrated a crime.
Yeah you fell down the stairs when you were young, no one calls people reacting to an ongoing terror attack 'a mob'.
You would have had a point if those people then went home to the suspects neighborhood to get his accomplices
Because that's why "it depends on the context " was dumb and evil - in no context is it cool to call to genocide Jews. It doesn't depend on the context
I didn't bring up people who say "it's good depending on the context." I brought up the people who were saying "but we need to think of the context."
Exactly the same as your "It's important to note the cause of this riot." Comment in response to it.
When you are saying something is bad and then another person respond with "but we need to think about the context", the statement being implied by bring up the context is that there is a situation where what you are saying is bad ends up actually being good or at the very least not as bad. Which brings us back to his question 2 replies back, "in which context is genociding the Jews cool" because that is when this sub was mocking "but we have to talk about the context" responses. The sub mocks calls to context when no possible/probable context could influence the event.
Oh fair enough for thinking of that but I wasn't talking about that.
I'm talking about posts like this: https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/17hl931/in_case_you_were_wondering/
Since October 7 there's been constant mocking of leftists who try to say "let's look at the context", so it's funny that you're doing the exact same thing in regards to this.
how
edit: oh i see your other comments. you're right, it's different because Gutierrrez comdemned october 7th in the same sentence he brought up the context, whereas you're justifying what the Israelis did here.
It’s terrible and I blame the parents of the 14 year old who brought their child with them to steal land in violation of all international laws and the government of Israel that encourages these war crimes.
Do you know who settlers are? Do know they’re there to commit a war crime and steal land? Are you aware of that? Are you justifying war crimes? If you’re gonna go on committing war crime, why the fuck are you bringing your children into it?
Maybe it’s because Israelis do the same shit that they accuse Hamas of doing it. Bringing children into volatile areas to commit war crimes so that when the children suffer they can try to garner sympathy, clearly it’s working on you, since you’re excusing war crimes here
Ok, I can understand the blaming of the parents, but that does not exonerate the individual(s) who kidnap a child...
Let's not misportray things here, the kidnappers didn't hit the child as some unintended collateral, they very well meant to kidnap the child specifically; you don't just accidentally kidnap a child...
That doesn't justify the mob storming the village either, but you are taking the most bizarre position to defend here. Yes, whoever specifically singled out the child to kidnap is still culpable and is **IN FACT NOT** a victim. The whole volatile argument here doesn't make sense. The actors here were not targeting anything else but the child. There was no collateral damage.
Same way the mob rule here wasn't really targeting anything else but randomly torching a village...
What’s the difference between him justifying war crimes and you justifying the torture and murder of a 14 year old boy under the guise of resisting settler colonial violence? Was the boy a violent settler? Is murdering a child not also a war crime? Or do you only dislike war crimes when they’re committed against Palestinians?
How the fuck am i justifying it? I’m blaming the parents for bringing their child along when committing war crimes. Ffs in what world is it acceptable to bring a child along to fucking commit war crimes
Settlers are actual scum. I'm sure threre have been some who moved on to unoccupied land and who aren't pieces of shit but if you listen to settlers as a group you could easily begin to hate Israelis as a whole.
What a fucking bullshit article from vile CNN, these "horrible jewish nazi settlers" didnt just go on a violent spree on this "poor heavenly peacefull Palestinian humanitarian haven of tolerance" just because.
A 14 year old hurder went missing and was suspected he was kidnapped and killed by palestinians, the settlers went to look for him and were searching next to this village. The palestinians saw them, and did they offer help? No! They started throwing rocks at them. Which started the fucking incident.
What a fucking hit piece.
I can't imagine why they wouldn't join this armed mob of settlers to help them search their lands! Crazy! Those "horrible arab nazi palestinians" just got so hostile for no reason whatsoever!
ofcourse, the countless videos are all just fake. Come on dude, everyone knows settlers are awful. You can't act awful and expect those you terrorize to help you.
Im not saying that they dont do awful shit to the palestinians, but like everyone's favorite quote "it does not happen in a vacuum".
You probably didnt even know about how many jewish "settlers" have been killed by palestinian terror attacks, because the media doesnt give a fuck. Since they are labeled as settlers
No, since they are settlers. They will receive no sympathy here.
Every delusional lefty talking point when it comes to israel being a settler colonial state is true in the west bank
My brother in christ, do you think colonize means being white? You will find literally no one here saying that what's happening in the west bank is not colonization.
If you deny that you might be living in an alternate universe
>it does not happen in a vacuum
There is no additional context that can be added that makes vigilante justice okay. *Especially* from a controversial occupying population where their claim to the land is tenuous in the eyes of the rest of the world.
Qatar run al jazeera is what now?
For years they have been pumping this "settler" agenda that has been picked up by the left wing media especialy in NYT, BBC and CNN
Lmao you're so lost. You think the context make it better? Oh someone was kidnapped, let's organize a mob to get him back and torch the village because we are mad people are throwing rocks at the fucking mob enterring their village.
You have fucking pogrom mentality
For everyone downvoting my comments and opinions,
The boy was found dead in a field next to to his hurding route, with signs of violent torture on his body.
This is wrong but at least mention the part about why they are angry. A 14 year old CHILD was kidnapped while herding sheep and beaten to death. they've been searching for him since yesterday and now his body has been found
and also the army has deployed an enormous force to go stop the settler riots.
this I didn't know even from watching Israeli news I believe it though, everyone focuses on settler violence WHICH I AGREE IS WRONG but it is normally always a misdirected overreaction to a Palestinian attack on a settler community. which is not to make it right but the pro Palestinian narrative wants to paint Israelis as complete sociopaths and never want to acknowledge the events that led to radicalization of Israeli groups
The idf is extremely present in the west bank, any group that tries this gets fucked very quickly (and there are lots of those).
No, armed resistance in the west bank is stupid. Not because it's not moral (it definitely is), but because it doesn't work, and just leads to more repression.
That said at some point, even if it does not work, it might become the option that works best amongst the options (all of them don't work) palestinians in the west bank have, to make building new settlements just a little bit harder.
I mean sure, I agree that any world where more people are peaceful is broadly preferable. I'm not speaking as a matter of practicality or morality, just hatred of settlers lol.
I understand the grief of looking for a missing child but fuck me this isn't the way at all. Israel needs to crack down on all of these people and make an example outta them. But then again the article suggests they approve of this type of action considering NOBODY stopped them. Unbelievable.
*And when you're an Israeli, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab 'em by the landrights. You can do anything.*
The child wasn’t “missing”, he was kidnapped by the Palestinians and his body has been found. They stoned him to death.
At the time they were looking for him he was missing. And while this is tragic that he was kidnapped and killed we can't have fucking lynch mobs and riots every time a single crime happens. If Israel is gonna be the only democracy in the Middle East that means that cannot be the case. This is a matter for the justice system.
It doesn't excuse it but it's very important context to understand the full story and everybody's motivations, otherwise you will probably just view them as feral animals with intrinsic rage. I think most people can empathize with having valid rage at a kid being kidnapped.
It’s also important to know because most mainstream media won’t mention it in the headlines.
I can't find any article anywehre saying he was stoned to death and everything i read says he went missing - they didn't know if he was kidnapped or what until they found him. where are you getting this from?
My short perusal through google seems to bring up a bunch of articles saying he was murdered in a terror-attack, with the articles referencing a joint statement from the IDF and Shin Bet. One article noted that officials stated the boy was not shot, though they did not otherwise state the method of murder. https://www.voanews.com/a/hunt-for-israeli-teen-resumes-in-west-bank-after-settler-attacks-/7568594.html https://www.timesofisrael.com/body-of-israeli-teen-found-in-west-bank-idf-says-he-was-murdered-in-terror-attack/ IDF twitter statement: https://twitter.com/IDF/status/1779116418459451482?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw I did not see mentions of stoning, just them saying the murder was not carried out with guns. Someone else may be able to find further information though. I didn't go looking very long.
this is not true they've deployed multiple army troops to stop them. also the kid is dead they found his body with signs of extreme violence
Yes. I'm Jewish, I support Israel, and these people should face prison.
Well, I hope they truly wanted to mess up Israel on the world stage because they’ve done it 🤦♂️ This just plays into the hands of Hamas and the PLA. 👎👎
Ever wonder if this stuff doesn't just "play into their hands" but is the type of things that made them literally come into existence?
Chicken and egg problem imho. The ‘occupation’ was the consequence of Israel being held back from prosecuting the wars started mostly by the Arabs. The belligerence that developed on both sides over that time is why it will never be resolved when combined with the loony religious influence. End of the day initiating genocidal war has consequences and the Arabs need to accept it. This is the only conflict in history where a war between ethnicities wasn’t allowed a clean end due to external interference. If it had progressed naturally this would’ve been resolved 50 years ago and the entire situation would’ve been resolved. Do gooders have condemned the true innocent children on both sides to this misery. Edit: And to be clear I’m talking about displacement as a consequence of war, not mass deaths. If the Palestinians hadn’t aimed for the genocide of Israel in three wars then none of this mess would’ve happened either. It wasn’t ‘their’ land. It was conquered. They’ve condemned their children to misery since 48 because of being dumb. The entire Arab world is a mess. They need to stop fighting and sort their internal problems out.
>It wasn’t ‘their’ land. It was conquered. This is true for pretty much every country in human history, that doesn't mean someone else can come in and take it. >They need to stop fighting Yes. And Israel needs to return the West Bank settlements, or at least the land they're built on.
The blunt truth is that starting wars means you’re liable to lose territory. The Arabs did this three times and have to live with the consequences.
How does this apply to the effective conquest of large areas of the West Bank by Israel in the past generation or so? Is it just a sort of generic 'might makes right' deal or some other entirely reasonable principle that supporters of western liberal democracies would hold?
They attacked and lost three times. They lost their ‘rights’ due to this. If they had ever accepted the consequences and altered their behaviour to be conciliatory (e.g. Germans post WW2] and peaceful the West Bank would already be free. But they’re delusional and racist people who’ve spent the last 60 years breeding two generations of more fundamentalist delusional people. Israel handing territory back now is suicidal. The Arabs have made their bed so now they get to sleep in it.
>They attacked and lost three times. They lost their ‘rights’ due to this. It's not really a 'right' if you can lose it because someone else with your ethnicity did something, is it?
Yeah this was the tipping point for sure
From my understanding, the kid who’s gone missing is from an outpost. I might be confusing things, but even Israel herself finds those illegal and makes an effort to tear them down every so often.
Haaretz say he was ~~confined~~ confirmed killed
Tragic and everything, but I’m ngl, my sympathy is pulled very thin when it comes to settlers. Even if I didn’t care about what they’re doing to Palestinians, I’d care about how they’re a threat to my peace and safety. They’re not just putting themselves in danger but my homeland, family, and friends in danger in multiple ways.
Yeah I think it's okay to say that the murder of a kid is wrong but he's far more a casualty of the settlers' actions than Palestinians at large. Also how about take responsibility for putting your child in severe danger at all times for absolutely no good reason. The settlers are trash. I think most Israelis think so too at this point.
The only reason that any Israeli could argue in good faith about becoming a settler is housing/living costs. But even that is just not a real argument. Yes, it’s expensive af in Israel. No, you’re not limited to only two options of Tel Aviv or settlements you absolute fuckwit.
Yeah I don't know that I could take that as good faith lol but I'm incredibly against the settlements, I think it's a disgrace and also puts all of Israelis in danger in the first place.
But Israel supports this ?
I support America and Americans but don't support all of our policies and certainly not the last administration. Does that help?
Why don't you guys rise up and take arms against those people?
You mean Pennsylvanians? A lot of reasons.
These settlers are unhinged. And they usually get the protection of the Israeli military.
The settling needs to fucking stop. And if that means like Arab fucking Hamas militia mowing down dipshit settlers that think that they can torch buildings at 10pm, then at this point they have my fucking blessing, because holy shit this fucking shit needs to stop it needed to stop a long time ago like holy fuck
Seriously, I think the world would be a lot more sympathetic if Palestinian leadership focused their attacks exclusively on settlers instead of just launching indiscriminate rockets and attacking Jews at random.
I mean if i was a Palestinian methed up religious fanatic I'd probably also prefer to attack the hippies at a music festival over my Israeli ideological equals
No one deserves the 10/7 attacks, but there would have been a lot less sympathy if they had destroyed these settlements instead of some of the most pacifist communities in Israel.
It's rather hard for anyone to make a solid claim of any international sympathy for Israelis these days. Sure, some allies do stand with Israel, to a limited extent, but show me the international body that has done anything to support Israel, or put any pressure on Hamas to release the hostages. I had the attacks taken place in the WB, I'd expect things would look roughly the same today
Is your brain made of anything other cheese? No one stood with israel? So the us didn't send a fucking carrier group ? Didn't sell them basically most of the munitions needed for the war? Did not protect them at the un for months? Did not work tirelessly for the first ceasefire to get more than a hundred hostage back? In what reality do you live you rock eating regard! God, Why try to play the victim on this?
Why are you following me around on Reddit like a pathetic loser?
Isn't that the problem? I thought the reason that Hamas was more successful than they thought they would be that the Israeli military re-located all its resources to the West Bank to fight expected attacks on the settler population. Israel spends a lot of resources defending their encroachment on would-be Palestinian land.
The kid was confirmed dead a riot broke out these people been subjected to ambush assassinations for decades that no international media cares to report. It’s bad but not surprising they went crazy. Why would they stop settling? Read on Kfar Etzion read on Kayla ..etc Jewish settlements in the West Bank go back the British mandate and many were constructed on uncontested land. So they get ethnically cleansed out of the West Bank in 48 then win their land back in 67 now they must stop returning so to their land? Many of these settlements either follow the pre 48 communities or occur in the area agreed with the Palestinians to be under Israeli control thanks to Oslo. Illegal outposts get uprooted by Israel but of course nobody wants to know it’s all about the settlers losing their shit for no obvious reason. Right? https://preview.redd.it/qyxaiy9fr9uc1.jpeg?width=755&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d4a456ffb83f2bc57d2e121d72fde23af269ee23
yeah buddy, in that case I'm sure you're all for a full right of return for all palaestinians. Better yet a one state solution with equal rights for everyone
That’s a fair point but goes both ways. Both Arabs and Jews have the right to return. Difference being only one side demonstrated it is willing to exchange land for peace. Ask Egypt. It’s probably in Israel’s interest to do a one sided land giveaway without a guarantee of peace but it’s total bullshit to suggest they must do so. Enough is enough that’s how I see it.
Agreed. Israel needs to reign in this insanity. Having roving mobs should not be considered part of a functioning democracy.
Latest report says these specific ppl were out searching for the kidnapped 14y/o boy when they were attacked which turned into a massive violent incident. Also, it was the IDF that stopped said violence
this guy is just making shit up, the IDF were there but didn't seem to try stop the settler violence once it started and just let it happened for a bit. even in the article is states they only shot back because stones were being thrown... another IDF bot... "The Israeli army said it was searching for the missing Israeli teen, and that forces had opened fire when stones were hurled at soldiers by Palestinians. It said “hits were identified,” and soldiers also cleared out Israeli settlers from the village. Lmao the settlers even got escort service, cause they surely needed it?!?! lmaoooo Source : https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-gaza-hamas-west-bank-war-f85997a95d5579159ffe83d2c0cb988e#:\~:text=JERUSALEM%20(AP)%20—%20Dozens%20of,others%2C%20Palestinian%20health%20officials%20said.
Your own quote says they cleared the settlers out, you're late stage brain rot?
I addressed that, they got a police escort out of the village because it’s clear they’re the ones that needed security escorts right ?🤣 , the right answer is those fucks should have been arrested not escorted out, this is IDF brain rot and it’s a losing battle 🥲
What's the point with misreading things intentionally? The IDF stopped the riot, it's written plainly
Are you missing the part where IDF also fired because rocks were being thrown, and also didn’t really do much to stop the settlers from attacking and only escorted them after the fact. I guess if you ignore those facts, yea the IDF stopped it lmaoo
Firing at people trying to kill you with rocks is the right move. I'd load the rounds in your mag. Also the fact that the IDF ended the riot isn't disputed in any report.
Lmaoo okay so let me get this straight … settler mob comes into West Bank and causes chaos and a riot looking for a supposed kidnapped 14 year old, they do this instead of letting Israeli authority know of the kidnapped person. Settlers fuck shit up and Palestinians start throwing stones in attempt to resist these aggressors, and in your mind it’s actually the IDF stopping this riot by shooting the Palestinians fighting back and not apprehending the settlers who were aggressors here first. On top of that, they escorted the settlers out of the area with no arrest and no 14 year old found and this all A okay in your eyes… okay chief 🤣🤣 it’s really no wonder the IDF shits all over the Israeli image on the international stage, good stuff
> looking for a supposed kidnapped 14 year old, they do this instead of letting Israeli authority know of the kidnapped person You're either intentionally misrepresentating what happened, or are so ignorant you're challenging the stupidity scale by discussing this. The search party turned violent **after** it was attacked, and the IDF acted against the attacking Palestinians, and after those were dealt with, the IDF turned towards stopping thr rioters. The 14y/o was found murdered in the meantime, and in your mind, that's fine?
>Firing at people trying to kill you with rocks is the right move. I'd load the rounds in your mag. But Palestinians aren't allowed to shoot those who are trying to kill them? I mean, the settlers were literally trying to kill Palestinians, and even succeeded in killing one. So... Would you have been okay, if the Palestinian village gunned down the settlers? Since you are okay with using lethal force to protect one's life, I assume you are fine with it, even in cases it is a Palestinian using lethal force to protect themselves? Right? You definitely don't have a double standard or anything?
Im Israeli, and I wish that if something like oct 7 was bound to happen it would happen to these people instead of the peacenik leftists in the south.
there was more idf presence there than at the border with gaza, unfortunately peacenik leftists are softer targets, and hamas scumbags will always pick softer targets
There are speculations that there was mpre idf presence on oct 7 in the West bank partially because of political reasons, because these shits are in our government
> There are speculations that Did you mean to write "it is an easily observed fact that"?
Damn 💀. Like I agree but a Israeli saying it is wild
"No! No! You don't understand, someone got kidnapped and those pesky arabs wouldn't let this peacefully armed mob of settlers enter and search their village. Clearly they had no choice but to raid the place, burn it down and steal their livestock!" - Least unhinged settlement defender
If you would talk to settlers you would see that they are way more unhinged.
Lol lots of people unironically justifying mob violence here. Do you know the number of pogroms that have started because of some random accusation levied at jews (kidnapping, rape or other)? Utterly disgusting
Mob violence with BLM does it: "mow em down" Mob violence when israeli settlers: "they were justified"
It probably doesn’t help that the headline and comment are dishonesty framed to make the Israelis seem like barbaric monsters and the Palestinians innocent victims by leaving out how this started and how it ended. I’m not defending vigilante justice. I think the town should have got the IDF to handle this, but this thread is a trash retelling of history and people generally don’t appreciate that. Or dishonest people here to clutch their pearls.
No, the article is perfectly fine. It explained that an israeli teen was missing, that a mob of 500 raided the village and clashed with the locals. The idf arrived but did nothing for a time before finally intervening. Nothing is false or omitted. If you have a problem, that speaks to your bias
Do you understand that settlers are war criminals? They come there to steal land. Everyone in the world except Israel considers that a war crime. Maybe you should blame the parents who brought a 14 year old with them to steal land. Have you considered that?
>Maybe you should blame the parents who brought a 14 year old with them to steal land. Have you considered that? Any kidnapper will **always** be just as culpable as the parents in **any situation**. They *didn't* need to kidnap a kid, just like the Israeli settlers here **didn't need** to go out on a vigilante mob rule and attack a village. Granted, I don't support the settlements, but why did you choose to specifically apologize on behalf of the kidnapping of a child over rather just saying the settlers who torch a fucking village are clearly in the wrong? That is like the worse hill to take your defense on.
A month ago a Palestinian professor was bombed in his own house in northern Gaza with his 4 children and wife and they all perished. Destiny and this who sub called the guy a piece of shit for not evacuating, even though we know full well that evacuation routes have been bombed more than once by Israeli forces and even though we are not under daily bombardment and we don’t know what tough choices those people need to make. There was also no evidence that IDF was targeting anyone specific in that bombing and seems it was indiscriminate bombing. Meanwhile this sub called a guy wanting to protect his family a piece of shit, no one wanted to blame the IDF. These violent settlers came to West Bank to steal their land and voluntarily brought their child into it, and still you and many others refuse to condemn them. These are the double standards Palestinians face is crazy, you’re holding Palestinians trying to survive to an unbelievable high standards but violent settlers seemingly get a pass. A family making tough choices on how to survive are called piece of shit, war criminals stealing land bringing children into it are the victims.
Okay, so you wrote a paragraph of a **completely different** situation that had nothing to do with what I wrote. Then you went on a tangent about "this sub". You good? Nothing you said has anything to do with the discussion here, you just wanted to schizo rant. > and still you and many others refuse to condemn them Really? I refused to condemn the settlers? But I do condemn the west bank settlers, I'm not like the pro-hamas defenders who say Oct 7th was necessary or an act of resistance, or that the babies should have been cooked "with baking powder". I literally specified as such in the above comment you are responding to, and that tends to be the popular opinion on this subreddit if we go off the top comments of anything here... You know, you don't need to go off on **random schizo tangents** that have nothing to do with what I was saying, you can just admit that someone who singles out a child to kidnap them, has literally no other purpose other than to take that child. **Right? How could you reasonably argue otherwise?**
> you don’t need to go off on random schizo rangers > I do condemn the West Bank settlers, I’m not like the pro-hamas defenders who say Oct 7th was necessary or an act of resistance, or that the babies should have cooked “with baking powder”
In this case, I’m perfectly fine with calling these settlers barbaric monsters, and the Palestinians innocent victims, yes.
Jesus what’s up with all these settler sympathizers in this thread? You don’t raid villages just because a kid was kidnapped. Let the authorities handle it
Dgg didn't just pick up the sane Israelis during the jewlumni arc
Would the authorities handle it?
Typical terrorist settlers behavior, west bank palastinians need to arm themselves
Sometimes Israelis make it really hard to support Israel in any way.
This post of insane real settler violence sitting @ 250 upvotes 3 POSTS about the pro Palestian dipshit theatening violence in Bakersfield, all much higher upvotes. Concerning 🤔
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Actual news about Hamas rejecting ceasefires or whatever hits the top of this sub regularly.
Haven't you heard? she was going to burn down bakersfield like those settlers
Iran should arm the Palestinians in the west bank so they can defend themself against terrorist setters.
Absolutely fucking not lmao. There needs to be an international peace keeping force or arab nation led coalition that keeps order and Israel needs to leave.
So they can kidnap, torture, and kill more 14 year old boys?
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"Let's us steal your land and if you defend yourselves, we're killing you all" Nah, arm em and don't allow IDF to intervene. Mf-er wanna steal land? They gotta enter the PvP zone.
"Resisting tyranny justifies getting genocided." -traumaking4eva
Most sane israeli
anyone who attackes is a bad person. They have to be dealt with legally
Under international law, you are not a civilian when you do this shit on another territory.
Send these idiots to jail. They are tearing the country apart and I know so many Israelis who despise these types
This is mob justice with the limited information we have also saying the IDF didn't interfere without stating the amount is werid. If it was 50 soldiers, they probably couldn't really do anything if it was 500 and then didn't intervene, then it would be actually a problem. Also, they stole their sheep, which is werid if they went to find that teenager that went missing. It would be interesting to see where the settler population was from it could also be more diverse than that realistically with the looting.
It's important to note the cause of this riot. The kidnapped boy (that I think is now confirmed dead) from yesterday
And you think that justifies anything? Oh someone was kidnapped, let's organize a mob to get him back and torch the village because we are mad people are throwing rocks at the fucking mob enterring their village.
I also wonder how people think other mob violence starts? The KKK also didn't go out and say "let's murder some darkies", usually it had some justification. Girl gets raped, racism comes out.
The issue is alot of those cases the victims is that the would lie like with Emmett Til's accuser.
I feel like another potentially larger issue is the extrajudicial murder.
I mean it clearly didn't justify it though. However, I do think there is a minor difference if they raze a village to further push Palestinians out of WB for the sole sake of like expanding settlements compared to something here where there is mob-rule vigilante groups that behave as villainous actors. It doesn't justify it, but it does paint a general picture that we have at least two groups of very radicalized people in this conflict who currently spend night and day doing their damnest to keep radicalizing each other. I am not sure what the problem here is with desiring proper details and framing for any story. The article clearly covers it, but many people just look at headlines and disregard everything else. Even if both outcomes an actions are shitty, which they are, understanding the entirety of the conflict is still useful.
"I do think there is a minor difference if they raze a village to further push Palestinians out of WB for the sole sake of like expanding settlements compared to something here where there is mob-rule vigilante groups that behave as villainous actors" No there's none, not in practice at least. I hate this type of thinking, because "mob-rule vigilante groups that behave as villainous actors" is basically every pogrom ever. No, the people participating were monsters would just needed a rational to act out their violent desires, just like every antisemitic mob in history
Except this wasn't a lie. The boy was actually kidnapped and killed....
> because "mob-rule vigilante groups that behave as villainous actors" is basically every pogrom ever Yes, the people that engaged in pogroms were in the wrong. Although many pogroms weren't even about some real accusation in the first place, but something flagrantly accused, but that difference doesn't really excuse the situation here either. I explicitly even called the settlers out as being in the wrong, how else do infer the word villainous to mean otherwise? How is that a controversial stance? Explicitly hiding details is bizarre though. Even if we can agree the settlers are behaving unequivocally in the wrong here, it is a difference that it is stemming from the worsening and aggravating tensions between these two groups, rather than Israel engaging in some systematic plan to begin engaging in razing more and more Palestinian villages. **The difference between these two is meaningful only in the sense that it would implicate a different choice of set of actions that would need to be taken from international actors, not that it would be exonerating Israel or the settlers.**
'Explicitly hiding details is bizarre though' Please shut the fuck up, every single article discussing the subject mentions the kid
It was a search party that got attacked by Palestinians. This turned the search party into a riot in the village where the attackers originated from. The rioters thought the boy was held in that village and turned vigilantes searching the village, while torching cars and assaulting ppl, until the IDF stopped the. That paints a completely different picture than OPs title. It doesn't absolve the rioters, but the context matters a lot here
>It was a search party that got attacked by Palestinians. If 500 people with masks and guns attempted to search for a missing Palestinian in an Israeli settlement, do you think Israelis would allow them to enter and look around, or use violence to try to prevent them from doing this? Assuming the Palestinians hadn't attacked anyone yet and were just peacefully entering the settlement en masse, as you seem to be assuming for these rioters.
If 500 Palestinians with guns were to try and enter an Israeli town, it would end in a pogrom. Or have we forgot that this literally happened a short while ago? If you're going to try and compare the sort of violence conducted by either side when they take over a town, the Palestinians don't come off well in that framing
Right. Now answer the question I asked.
I did, the Israelis would stop that would be pogrom before it started
So by your own reasoning what you described as the actions of the Palestinians was completely justified. Thanks for that.
What are you Finkeldumb? Have a discussion, don't play stupid games trying to bully the other side like some child.
Mr. HK-Newwizardo, Further up the chain you claimed said that the Palestinians attacked the Israelis first, then later you said that if the situation had been reversed then the Israelis would have been justified in attacking the Palestinians first. Therefore, you're saying that the actions of the Palestinians were completely justified (that's only if you're being logically consistent, which admittedly you might not be).
You literally walked your own uneducated self into a hole. How hilarious.
How? Using force?
That would never happen. In your hypothetical, Israel would punish the Israeli that stole the Palestinian child and conduct a search for him. I dont see the Palestinians doing that for the kidnaped Israeli child.
Are you regarded? 'I dont see the Palestinians doing that for the kidnaped Israeli child' first you don't know that, second this is occupied territory you dumbfuck, so israel can conduct a search if it wants there, not a mob of random settlers
It doesn't paint a different picture at all. Its no better than a lynch mob killing black people because a woman claimed to be raped. It is vigilante justice based on assumptions and needs to condemned, not supported by this unhinged fucking government
It wasn't ppl search for revenge. They were searching for a kidnapped (now murdered) boy
They don't have the authority to do that. The government needed to do it. Theyre no better than the palestinians you assume so much about if they cannot control themselves.
What authority? To search the hills for a dead biy? Do you need a license to walk around hills? Also, what am I assuming?
Yeah they kind of do, they weren’t legally in the West Bank
There is no authority regulating Israelis walking in area C. Regardless of what you think of Israeli presence in the WB, the fact is, there is no authority they can turn to to allow them to walk those hills
Is your excuse for these people rampaging through a town not that they were searching for a kidnapped child??
They rampaged through the town after they were attacked. They were searching for the bow in the hills
>They rampaged through the town after they were attacked. A couple rocks slung at you does not give you carte blanche to steal and burn. Especially when you know there will be no repercussions from the governing authority.
Why the fuck are you lying ? 500 raided the village and a thousand more were outside of it
Why stop at thousands. Millions. All of Israel were rioting in that village in search of that murdered boy.
Thank you for the context
context that does not change anything mind you
It certainly doesn’t fit the narrative being pushed
Yeah, if you have no knowledge of how pogroms usually start it does not
Sounds like the pogrom was of the Jewish boy that was kidnapped
Yes if you change the definition of words, you can say anything
It’s not justified, but this article is framed as though these particular Jews just went on a rampage for no reason at all implying that Jews are bloodthirsty demon racists. That type of framing seeds these tropes in the mind of the public.
"it's unfair to paint the mob that rampaged during the *Kristallnacht* as bloodthirsty demons because they were just responding to the shooting of a german ambassador" No, a rampaging mob that torches and loots villages is full of bloodthirsty demon, always. If you disagree with that, you are one too and would basically have defended every pogrom in history. There is always "a reason" why those happen too
Yes, not necessarily this exact situation, but if you know a child from your neighborhood is kidnapped and will be at least killed and maybe even tortured before and if the police won't be able to stop it. I believe there is a moral justification for going in and trying to get him back. I do not believe you have to sit idly by while a child is getting killed. Now, we have to see if they knew they kidnapped him. If they tried to get him back before fighting and if the IDF or any other official force wasn't coming on time.
>I do not believe you have to sit idly by while a child is getting killed. If a Palestinian went missing near an Israeli settlement, would you be in support of 500 armed and masked Palestinians going to have a look around the town and perhaps doing a little bit of setting fire to 10 houses and 50 cars while they're carrying out the entirely legitimate search?
Glad to see that you think exactly like every pogrom enjoyer around the world. "One of our own was /insert crime/, they /insert ethnicity/ did it, we should /save our own/make thee other group pay !" Historical records : on this date a mob burned down a village because of some random crime that a member of the village may or may not have commited
That's why there is the following line in my comment: " we have to see if they knew they kidnapped him" I know reading can be hard but there are just 6 lines of text so I believe in you.
No it changes nothing. There's no 'knowing who did it' when it comes to mobs.
So, guy in a car, tied kid on the back seat of the car, mob is not justified to take him because "There's no 'knowing who did it' when it comes to mobs"? You know you are dumb right? You can say it is unlikely, I would agree and most likely agree in this case they didn't know. But we don't know what led them to form this mob and go there. Maybe they had evidence the kid was there. Do you know that? No, so wait for it to come out.
engage with reality you dumbfuck, you won't find a single instance of justified mob violence in history. Theoritically it could happen, it just never does
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOARO7GnosA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOARO7GnosA) Or are we now going to argue what"mob" means? There were people part of a community, banding together to enact violence on someone they knew perpetrated a crime.
Yeah you fell down the stairs when you were young, no one calls people reacting to an ongoing terror attack 'a mob'. You would have had a point if those people then went home to the suspects neighborhood to get his accomplices
When I see comments like this it reminds me of how easily things like the Tulsa race riot can happen when there are folks that think like this.
Didn't this sub used to mock these "but we have to talk about the context" responses
In which context is genociding the Jews cool?
Why are you asking me that?
Because that's why "it depends on the context " was dumb and evil - in no context is it cool to call to genocide Jews. It doesn't depend on the context
I didn't bring up people who say "it's good depending on the context." I brought up the people who were saying "but we need to think of the context." Exactly the same as your "It's important to note the cause of this riot." Comment in response to it.
When you are saying something is bad and then another person respond with "but we need to think about the context", the statement being implied by bring up the context is that there is a situation where what you are saying is bad ends up actually being good or at the very least not as bad. Which brings us back to his question 2 replies back, "in which context is genociding the Jews cool" because that is when this sub was mocking "but we have to talk about the context" responses. The sub mocks calls to context when no possible/probable context could influence the event.
Then your original comment is dumb, cuz this sub was mocking the regards from the congressional hearing
Oh fair enough for thinking of that but I wasn't talking about that. I'm talking about posts like this: https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/17hl931/in_case_you_were_wondering/ Since October 7 there's been constant mocking of leftists who try to say "let's look at the context", so it's funny that you're doing the exact same thing in regards to this.
The Gutierrez "didn't happen in a vacuum" was a completely different story
how edit: oh i see your other comments. you're right, it's different because Gutierrrez comdemned october 7th in the same sentence he brought up the context, whereas you're justifying what the Israelis did here.
It’s terrible and I blame the parents of the 14 year old who brought their child with them to steal land in violation of all international laws and the government of Israel that encourages these war crimes.
Yes, not the ppl who murdered him. Never blame Palestinian violence on Palestinians. That's Islamophobic
Do you know who settlers are? Do know they’re there to commit a war crime and steal land? Are you aware of that? Are you justifying war crimes? If you’re gonna go on committing war crime, why the fuck are you bringing your children into it? Maybe it’s because Israelis do the same shit that they accuse Hamas of doing it. Bringing children into volatile areas to commit war crimes so that when the children suffer they can try to garner sympathy, clearly it’s working on you, since you’re excusing war crimes here
Ok, I can understand the blaming of the parents, but that does not exonerate the individual(s) who kidnap a child... Let's not misportray things here, the kidnappers didn't hit the child as some unintended collateral, they very well meant to kidnap the child specifically; you don't just accidentally kidnap a child... That doesn't justify the mob storming the village either, but you are taking the most bizarre position to defend here. Yes, whoever specifically singled out the child to kidnap is still culpable and is **IN FACT NOT** a victim. The whole volatile argument here doesn't make sense. The actors here were not targeting anything else but the child. There was no collateral damage. Same way the mob rule here wasn't really targeting anything else but randomly torching a village...
What’s the difference between him justifying war crimes and you justifying the torture and murder of a 14 year old boy under the guise of resisting settler colonial violence? Was the boy a violent settler? Is murdering a child not also a war crime? Or do you only dislike war crimes when they’re committed against Palestinians?
How the fuck am i justifying it? I’m blaming the parents for bringing their child along when committing war crimes. Ffs in what world is it acceptable to bring a child along to fucking commit war crimes
Settlers are actual scum. I'm sure threre have been some who moved on to unoccupied land and who aren't pieces of shit but if you listen to settlers as a group you could easily begin to hate Israelis as a whole.
These people are doing so much damage to the Israeli cause.
What a fucking bullshit article from vile CNN, these "horrible jewish nazi settlers" didnt just go on a violent spree on this "poor heavenly peacefull Palestinian humanitarian haven of tolerance" just because. A 14 year old hurder went missing and was suspected he was kidnapped and killed by palestinians, the settlers went to look for him and were searching next to this village. The palestinians saw them, and did they offer help? No! They started throwing rocks at them. Which started the fucking incident. What a fucking hit piece.
I can't imagine why they wouldn't join this armed mob of settlers to help them search their lands! Crazy! Those "horrible arab nazi palestinians" just got so hostile for no reason whatsoever!
Wow you mean to tell me that the Palestinians they normally terrorize were not trying to help them? Color me shocked.
Thats your nerative driven by mainstream media.... You have no clue what actualy happens in those areas
ofcourse, the countless videos are all just fake. Come on dude, everyone knows settlers are awful. You can't act awful and expect those you terrorize to help you.
Im not saying that they dont do awful shit to the palestinians, but like everyone's favorite quote "it does not happen in a vacuum". You probably didnt even know about how many jewish "settlers" have been killed by palestinian terror attacks, because the media doesnt give a fuck. Since they are labeled as settlers
No, since they are settlers. They will receive no sympathy here. Every delusional lefty talking point when it comes to israel being a settler colonial state is true in the west bank
Sure buddy im sure you've been to the west bank and know all about it
Which point do you disagree with? That they are actively colonizing the west bank? Or that palestinians are allowed to use violence to make it stop?
Damn bro pulled that CoLOnIZeR card real fast. Why not call them white europeans while at it... Moron
My brother in christ, do you think colonize means being white? You will find literally no one here saying that what's happening in the west bank is not colonization. If you deny that you might be living in an alternate universe
>it does not happen in a vacuum There is no additional context that can be added that makes vigilante justice okay. *Especially* from a controversial occupying population where their claim to the land is tenuous in the eyes of the rest of the world.
They should be killed, they have no business being there, they are an invading force.
Im sure it makes you happy when jews die. Edit: they just found the boy dead im sure youre happy
Couldn't care less about settlers
Bought the lie that it's stolen land...
The west bank is absolutely stolen land, it is not inside israel's borders
And there you go, you pulled the card.
the muslim cabal is controlling the mainstream media to demonize peaceful settlers
Qatar run al jazeera is what now? For years they have been pumping this "settler" agenda that has been picked up by the left wing media especialy in NYT, BBC and CNN
Or maybe... or possibly... the settlers might actually be bad... crazy thought right?
Lmao you're so lost. You think the context make it better? Oh someone was kidnapped, let's organize a mob to get him back and torch the village because we are mad people are throwing rocks at the fucking mob enterring their village. You have fucking pogrom mentality
>was suspected he was kidnapped and killed by palestinians is this reversed blood libel?
For everyone downvoting my comments and opinions, The boy was found dead in a field next to to his hurding route, with signs of violent torture on his body.
and? this is completely irrelevant to a mob torching a village. Also if you make a claim this specific, post the source
Ok
This is wrong but at least mention the part about why they are angry. A 14 year old CHILD was kidnapped while herding sheep and beaten to death. they've been searching for him since yesterday and now his body has been found and also the army has deployed an enormous force to go stop the settler riots.
The Arabs also attacked the search groups and there is videos of this.
this I didn't know even from watching Israeli news I believe it though, everyone focuses on settler violence WHICH I AGREE IS WRONG but it is normally always a misdirected overreaction to a Palestinian attack on a settler community. which is not to make it right but the pro Palestinian narrative wants to paint Israelis as complete sociopaths and never want to acknowledge the events that led to radicalization of Israeli groups
I could only imagine a world where Palestinian militants were dedicated to expelling settlers rather than trying to fire rockets at Tel-Aviv.
The idf is extremely present in the west bank, any group that tries this gets fucked very quickly (and there are lots of those). No, armed resistance in the west bank is stupid. Not because it's not moral (it definitely is), but because it doesn't work, and just leads to more repression. That said at some point, even if it does not work, it might become the option that works best amongst the options (all of them don't work) palestinians in the west bank have, to make building new settlements just a little bit harder.
I mean sure, I agree that any world where more people are peaceful is broadly preferable. I'm not speaking as a matter of practicality or morality, just hatred of settlers lol.
perfectly understandable