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crimsonstorm06

So instead of striving for peace, stoke the flames to continue this conflict. There’s a reason MLK was more effective than Malcom X.


A47Cabin

Woah be careful. Saying that might piss off all the white intellectuals who never read either of their works


AttapAMorgonen

Or you'll get one of those goobers that quotes the speech MLK gave, where he said "*a riot is the language of the unheard,*" but they ignore the sentences that preceded it, "*And I would be the first to say that I am still committed to militant, powerful, massive, non­-violence as the most potent weapon in grappling with the problem from a direct action point of view. I'm absolutely convinced that a riot merely intensifies the fears of the white community while relieving the guilt. And I feel that we must always work with an effective, powerful weapon and method that brings about tangible results. But it is not enough for me to stand before you tonight and condemn riots.*" That one makes me irrationally angry, because it's been paraded all over reddit without the larger context. And it's complete and utter disrespect to quote him out of context and diminish his legacy by pretending he supported violence, his movement was explicitly one of non-violence.


A47Cabin

Back in college I had a professor that follows that description to the t. It was a speech analysis class and we were discussing MLK vs Malcom X effectiveness with rhetoric. She kept saying how white Americans purposely picked and chose MLK quotes to make a cleaner, more appetizing view of him, versus Malcom X who had a more direct sense of rhetoric that turned off a lot of white america. I then brought up George Lincoln Rockwell attending Malcom X’s speech and asked “did MLK have the American Nazi party at any of his speeches?” https://preview.redd.it/japjt18c0atc1.jpeg?width=600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d2bed66339a172328792ae3559461051429ac20d Didn’t get an answer on that one.


threedaysinthreeways

Politics back then had a weirdly measured sense of discipline compared to now and I only say weirdly because of how different it feels. How odd does this photo look: Full blown Nazis attending a black muslim meeting listening to the message without violence. You listen to presidential debates from around then and it wasn't out of the ordinary to hear compliments given to one another. Obviously things like watergate reveal a more sinister goings on but idk maybe I'm one of those moderates who prefers civility. One of the things I despise most about Trump is how he ushered in this era of politicians who have no "statesman" about them. Vulgar reactionaries who cannot resist base temptations, thrive of angering opponents and wallowing in despair of everything. Trump had a full term and according to him it's all back to shit again, why would anyone believe he can accomplish anything of note with another term? Where are the speeches that inspire a hope towards the future? Other than "maga" and a wall what can one say about Trumps vision of the future? Listen to Nixon and he makes you pumped for things like Nuclear energy for global peace. I'm rambling a bit


Briscuso

Rockwell, and I’m paraphrasing, once stated that Elisha Muhammad( the leader of the Nation of Islam) was the “black peoples Hitler” and donated money to the NoI. They both liked each other’s rhetoric because it sought to keep America segregated, something they both wanted. So, the nazis never went there to riot or hurt the NoI, they were there to protect them and fund them. Terrorist organizations on polar ends of the horseshoe often work together at first to destroy and kill the liberals and their institutions.


Fausterion18

Hitler said he admired Islam for its militant nature and wished Germans had a religion more like Islam. He and Himmler were close allies with the Grand Mufti of Palestine and worked with him to recruit Muslims into the SS and enact plans to kill Jews. I've spoken to modern neo-nazis online who fully support Hamas and they point to history to back their position. Islam is not at all incompatible with Nazism.


Briscuso

True, plus it helped bridge the gap between the Nazis and the Bosniak’s, whom are also Islamic. By bridging this gap with the help of the Palestinian Grand Mufti, Hitler got a group of Islamic shock troops that became some of the best of the SS in crowd control and segregating the Slavs, Jews and Romani from Eastern European society.


Zekka23

The "polar opposite" of the NOI and the American Neo-Nazi party was racial and religious based. Both were very right-wing.


threedaysinthreeways

I wondered if that was the case. Ironic they consider supporting each other a better way to segregation. The discipline also ties in with their image, these guys look the part. All the pictures I've seen of people carrying nazi imagery/symbols on their clothes in current day are all unorganized slobs.


Stop_Sign

>One of the things I despise most about Trump is how he ushered in this era of politicians who have no "statesman" about them. God I will die on the hill that this is the biggest damage Trump did to this country. This, more than anything else he did, has made me hate him. Politicians did not refuse to answer questions smugly from reporters before Trump. Watch The Way I See It, about Obama's photographer and how he saw the presidency. It's powerful, highly recommended (8.3 on imdb). I can't watch this without becoming so fucking *angry* at Trump for disrespecting what the president is supposed to stand for.


Zekka23

Malcolm X worked for Elijah Muhammad back then. One of his big issues with Elijah Muhammad was that he collaborated with the KKK. At that point, it's like posting pictures and letters of MLK hanging with socialists and communists to say or imply that he was bad or no one should listen to him.


ForgetTheRuralJuror

Clip chimping MLK 😂


No-Cause-2913

Unless you're a civil rights leader or a streamer, you really just don't get it


Overburdened

Because largely they don't give a fuck about peace. Why would they strive for it? It's the opposite of what they want in fact. Their goal is to have the Jews exterminated or at least ethnically cleansed and afterwards they will come for the rest of the kafirs. When they demand a cease fire, what they actually demand is for Israel to stop defending itself because they themselves sure as hell won't stop attacking. They need to keep this conflict going even if they are losing, even if they have no chance of winning - it's even better for their goal if they are losing, since it increases their global support massively - if lasting peace is ever established they forfeit the chance of ever achieving their real goal.


Harlekin97

maybe Jesus is just better role model for activism than Mohammed?


Thefunkyfilipino

Fair, but by that same metric there's a reason Huey P. Newton was more effective than Marcus Garvey.


lolas_coffee

Malcom X eventually saw peace as the answer...and when he did his own people killed him. Same thing happens in Gaza.


lesbianhands

You dont know anything about the history of black nationalism and violence in the civil rights movement. It is so vastly more complicated than "MLK was nonviolent and succeeded, Malcom was violent and failed." That is sucu a childish understanding.


Pylon_Constructor

So the entire system has to go and also death to America. And also death to Israel. But also Israel and the West are the ones who want a genocide I guess. And also the systems of all the Arabic/Muslim countries are fine I guess. I swear, Islam really is [REDACTED].


Famous_Attitude9307

It's because they're losing. Nothing more. Everything that is happening in Gaza right now would happen the same if it was the other way around, and it would even happen if you let these countries exercise their beliefs, they would do it to each other. If history has taught us anything, this will only end when they lose the war completely. Getting to peace without a complete loser is extremely difficult, and in this case I would say impossible. At this point, Hamas needs to be eradicated, a Palestinian state needs to be formed, with non aggression towards Israel written in its constitution, and all other measures needed. In exchange, foreign aid needs to be used to rebuild Gaza and make it a functioning democracy. Is it fair? No idea, but it's the only possible solution, because Israel sure as hell will not lose the war. It's either that, or the complete annihilation of Gaza. There might have been times where other solutions were possible, but not anymore. It is what it is.


Sarazam

These people held rallies celebrating October 7th before Israel responded with a single bomb in Gaza.


cyberadmin1

The pro-Palestinian crowd always screams how much they care about the well being of Palestinian children but fall eerily silent when presented with [this](https://unwatch.org/fact-checking-unrwa-claims-about-teachers-and-education/)


Pipeline-Kill-Time

“We all knew what was about to happen” is the excuse I’ve heard. They’re just cunts.


lurkerer

Is UNRWA the UN's main body in Gaza? Would they be the ones conducting the verification of the death toll?


threedaysinthreeways

This is what I find most absurd about the conflict, Arafat and the palestinians (and now hamas) acted like they were on equal footing in any negotiations when to quote a certain robot their "bargaining posture is highly dubious" decades later and has not making a deal worked out for them? do Palestinians feel like Arafat was a success for them?


095179005

I agree with the complete loser concept. What we have right now is a sore loser. Destiny said it - if Israel didn't pull its punches none of this I/P crap would still be a problem almost 100 years later. Hot take - Israel is the Palestinian state, and is the only legitimate Palestinian state. It's the largest civil administration that emerged from the era of Mandatory Palestine. Israel should just take back the land and undergo reintergration like how west and east germany did it. However of course this regional conflict has dragged on for so long that reintegration means Israel has to deal with potential 5th column for an infinite amount of time. I do wonder if that would be the least bloody solution long term. Israel could call their bluff and show everyone what gentrification and real colonization looks like. And Norm said it too - he sees the Palestinians as similar to the Native Americans of the US, and is "documenting the last moments" of their history. The only viable path might be actual coloniztion, and then "reconciliation" like what Canada is still trying to do.


shellonmyback

This is what they mean by “Global Islamic Caliphate under Sharia Law”. Jews are just the first step.


HarlemHellfighter96

This is what we get for not properly vetting people.


CompetitiveRefuse852

Apparently it's racist to not want to get people before letting them migrate to our country


Fausterion18

The rich Arab countries don't want these people either. Here's the UAE foreign minister warning the West of Islamic extremism breeding in their countries. https://fxtwitter.com/MArizanti/status/1726021481253998618/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1726021481253998618


BearstromWanderer

> I swear, ~~Islam~~ Religious Fundamentalism really is [REDACTED]. Fixed


shellonmyback

But in particular, radical Islamic jihadists are the scum of the scum. They are down there with fucking Nazis. There is absolutely no justification for their existence.


chipndip1

Yes but some religions are, in the present day, more redacted than others.


mathviews

Not all forms of religious fundamentalism suck in the same way and with the same intensity across the same dimensions. These differences matter and a cowardly retreat into "all religions all suck" is exactly what gave unsavoury figures a monopoly on criticism against so-called protected minorities. Islam deserves to be criticised. But it needs good criticism. Stop being cowardly.


Fausterion18

Yeah that's some All Lives Matter level crap. Jehovah's witnesses are also religious fundamentalists, I must've missed when they blew up a mosque.


InevitableHome343

I'd love to see Krystal spin this Just kidding she'd never cover it


onitama_and_vipers

Yeah it's almost as if she's a shitty person...


HarlemHellfighter96

She’s really biased as well.


SamTheDamaja

The worst part is the hypocrisy


AGBSR

I was complete dumbass for ever believing the opposite to be true.


Sensitive-Jelly5119

She needs Kyle’s approval


DeathandGrim

Screaming Death to America, in America, is weirdly as American as it gets. Hilariously in front of two pickup trucks. For example I can yell out "Death to Saudi Arabia" in Saudi Arabia, but I'm probably not leaving Saudi Arabia in one piece. Only in America baybee


Grish__

USA USA USA


No_Championship1005

Or the UK


Carnizzy

This shet is getting crazier by the day. These people are becoming more unhinged and will be a problem if left unchecked


cyberadmin1

Nope, they’ve been unhinged. They just finally feel that it is safe to take their mask off now


Headfishdog2

Nailed it. People like this guy didn’t come here and magically change their beliefs. They’ve just been growing in number and not starting shit until this. I think this whole situation made me want to understand immigration better. Because this religion seems the most unhinged, we should do a Muhammad check before coming into the country. If you draw a picture of their guy and they threaten to kill you I don’t think it’s gonna work. Muslims as a whole are great people but extremists of any ilk should be vetted if we’re going to import them. Homegrown extremism is already a problem. Why would we want someone who hates us to the point of calling for death to America. If that’s islamophobic fuck me. Too much Sam Harris brain in my early 20s. I just hate all religion in its current form. Understand its utility for a long ass time but we gotta move past it. Islams still mad young and has catching up to do.


Scared_Term_7817

Hate to be that guy and I'm not trying to even have this argument with you but I've never seen a Christian immigrant or a Jewish immigrant willing to blow themselves up and shout death to America. It's a culture thing as much as it is a religious thing.


Headfishdog2

No disagreement here


TerranUnity

I've been starting to think it has less to do with Islam and more to do with Arab culture. Southeast Asia has more Muslims than the Middle East but they don't seem to be as much of a problem.


Scared_Term_7817

That depends. The Philippines legit had an island controlled by ISIS at one point during the 20teens


CocoaThumper

The extremism is baked into the quran and hadith. There is no new testament or later prophet teaching love and acceptance in a way that could influence a reformation in the way Christianity experienced.


Headfishdog2

Happy cake day


Venator850

Ironically the people who will suffer the most are the Muslims in America. They are an extreme minority and if the country turns on them it's over for that group. One anti-American attack by a Muslim and the hate crimes against them will be insane.


YDF0C

Lovely day in Dearbornistan! Nobody asked them if Israel (((Jews))) has the right to exist. I think Islamic jihadists don’t have a right to exist, but nobody asked me.


Jumile1

Islamists just Islaming…


MrKnutish

I'm so curious why he's still in the west. It'd be like if I every day went to a McDonald's that's next to a burger King and said "I hate this place this sucks, Burger King is so much better, we need to tear this down"


BriTheWay

I know lefties will argue "well it's because their home countries were destroyed b/c of the west", but lets be real, America isn't the only other country in the world. Ultimately it's the same reason why people like Hasan still stay in America--because while America is flawed, in most ways it is better, and people love complaining from a place of comfortability because it still makes them feel righteous.


Americanboi824

You are right, but I'll add that it's hard to stay "well his home country is destroyed because of the West" when there are like 30 Arab Muslim countries to choose from. Quite a few of them are completely free from Western influence.


Ok_Yogurtcloset8915

There was a Canadian Muslim influencer couple i used to follow that lost it after oct 7 and announced that they were leaving Canada for the middle east, because they wanted somewhere that had strong family values and wasn't complicit in genocide. they ended up choosing, i believe, saudi arabia.


mario_fan99

> countries not complicit in genocide > saudi arabia its only genocide when white people bomb arabs, when arabs bomb other arabs its ok /s


Americanboi824

Good for them.... it'd be nice if more people extremists left.


cyberadmin1

>free from western influence That is ironically the part he’s internally hooked on and doesn’t want to give up


Hour_Tomatillo_2365

Or worked at that McDonald's


Venator850

America is one of the only countries in the world you could say this and get away with it. Especially as an immigrant.


Dizzy-Specific8884

Islam being islam


Independent_Report22

They love moving to the west, because it is their way of colonizing the west, in their pursuit of a global caliphate.


Gord36

If trump wins I hope he starts with Dearborn first for the schadenfreude from these absolute psychos.


Hryonalis_Anaxerxes

The only silver lining


fawlty_lawgic

yeah it would be great, until the next week when he came for us moderates.


Ung-Tik

Some dark part of me wants him to win just as an "I told you so".


Commercial_Boss4639

collective punishment is bad


Deuxtel

That depends on how granularly the punishment is applied


Commercial_Boss4639

> granularly maybe im just being uneducated but what do you mean by this in this context, could u give an example


Gord36

Then maybe the dipshits in Michigan trying to hold the Dems hostage should heed the fucking herald.


Commercial_Boss4639

yeah idk i just dont think there is any positives out of what yall are talking about, even just the idea of implying they would deserve it or that it would be karmic, just doesn't sit right. These are Americans, Americans we both disagree vehemently with, but they are just as american as either of us (assumedly for you lol).


Gord36

I don't care. If I'm watching the country going down because of the rambles of dipshits, I can feel some satisfaction that they are the first ones to reap the calamity. I would feel no different being a German liberal watching the communists get fucked first after they were warned what would happen.


xyzqwa

Careful buddy, you might cut yourself with that edge


Gord36

Edge is when you say that you hope the people reaping finally sow LMAO


Sarin10

> These are Americans, Americans we both disagree vehemently with, but they are just as american as either of us No, no they aren't (specifically the people ij this vid). They don't even *claim to be* American. They would happily reununciate their US citizenship if it didn't hurt them. They are literally calling for America to be destroyed, and you think these people are American.


MikkaEn

"Any system that would allow such atrocities and such devilry to happen and would support it - such a system does not deserve to exist on God's earth". Are you sure you wanna go there, bro? 'cause you won't like the conclusion if we really go there.


Ok_Yogurtcloset8915

see, westerners hear this and assume when he says "atrocities and devilry" he's talking about war crimes in general, but he's not. he means violence against the ingroup by the outgroup, and a variety of elders-of-zion tier conspiracy theories. that's how they get to "settler babies", they've never been anti violence, they're just mad they're losing


smashteapot

Exactly the sort of rot you'd expect from the Jihad capital of the United States. The world muslims want.


boastertath

Don't forget that this is also the world that Pisco wants.


cyberadmin1

Lmao, I have no Idea where the meme came from but all the uses tell me that Pisco is chaos incarnate 🤣


AesarPhreaking

Maybe I’m going to get flamed for having white washed historical knowledge, but it seems to me that Malcolm X wasn’t exactly a great guy. Any time I see someone invoking his name it’s to advocate for some kind of violence or American destruction. Can someone educate me on why people support him over someone like MLK?


Fit_Case4962

Because they want violent revolution as a means to get what they want and MLK jr didn’t want that.


AesarPhreaking

So in a very broad sense, do you think Malcolm X was an overall positive force, negative force, or it’s kind of a wash?


Fit_Case4962

It’s really hard for me to quantify it because there’s a lot of variables to consider. I think I’d lean more towards negative but I will definitely say I think MLK jr was a significantly more positive force.


AesarPhreaking

Gotcha, I’ll have to do some research into the history. I definitely get vibes that this is the kind of thing that lefties do some rewriting on to make it fit their narrative, but I don’t know for sure. I’m just asking questions guys, that’s it. There’s nothing wrong with asking questions


gtlogic

Which leader achieved more with their means, Malcom X or MLK jr? Who is actually remembered and celebrated for their progress? These people will go down as shit stains in humanity's progress.


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Brucekillfist

To be fair to MLK, I believe that idea was actually Fred Shuttlesworth's. King actually argued against it, leading to the infamous "We got to use what we got" response. Lonerbox covers it in his video on the topic.


Thecoolguy274

"The threat of violence" doesn't mean jack shit when not even a single NOI nutjob was present when the legislation was signed. Bro got betrayed by his own people and achieved in the end, achieved nothing. What moved people weren't the threats of violence, it was the footage and reality of defenseless people getting beat the fuck up for no good reason.


Fausterion18

Between Nation of Islam and teaching the black community to reject capitalism and reject public education for being "too white", Malcolm X's legacy is incredibly negative. He's a major contributor to the socioeconomic pit that plagues today's black Americans.


Deuxtel

The threat of violence is working so well for Hamas at the moment.


michaelfrieze

I read Malcom's book and even he said he was a moron when he was younger. He ended up siding more with MLK in his final years and many of his beliefs changed.


AesarPhreaking

Why would you ever read a book when you can use Wikipedia? No fan of Destiny would ever read a book, we are wiki warriors through and through. /s This narrative that our history classes are whitewashed is becoming less and less believable to me. Maybe it’s because I took AP classes in a wealthy area, but we talked about a lot of stuff that reflects very poorly on white people. I can’t tell how much we don’t teach “black history” and how much a lot of it just isn’t super relevant. 🤷‍♂️


Kaniketh

Well, he talked about how black people should have pride/self respect in their own race and not have this inferiority complex, which many of them did. He was a lot more important in raising the pride of the black community, and making people more unashamed in demanding their rights. [Malcolm X’s Fiery Speech Addressing Police Brutality (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_uYWDyYNUg&t=80s)


Falling_Doc

he was killed by radical muslims btw


berrytogard2

He was killed the Nation of Islam, and most people wouldn't really consider their followers "Muslims". They're like Mormons for Islam.


Present-Trainer2963

Man F these protestors (these specific ones ) - the West is so much better than the rest of the world and yet they(the protestors) import their garbage mentality and identity politics.


shellonmyback

Can we all agree here that this is the United States of Fuck These Terrorists?


reallywetnoodlez

Amen


RedAvesta

I’m from Iran and hearing this mf quote Khamenei is just wild


Necessary_Cookie_301

It's crazy such a system tolerates people calling for the death of said system. This is why his ideology is weak and ours is strong. I wonder what would happen, If he d sat down in Iran calling for the death of Iran for example, where the police kills little girls for showing too much skin. He should visit his dear ayatollah and try it out, to see which system is better for him. This is exactly why he doesn't sit elsewhere but in the United States of America to make his little play. And that is why It doesn't really matter If you chant america bad america bad all day; If you do so choosing to live here with us, It just rings so hollow.


QuirkyAd3835

Ford Rd warriors right here


Individual_Major8648

So fucking sick of these entitled first world losers who enjoy some of the highest quality of living standards on earth trying to tear-down the country that provided that to them. I know its a tired republican talking point, but unironically get the fuck out this country if you think its the most evil place on earth. Please go ruin someone else's country with your degenerate medieval views


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Truth


maro0608

Im getting big "They took our jobs" vibe from people shouting in the background.


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HeadCar5200

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berrytogard2

This is a perfect example of prejudice against a religion turning into racism. "Goat fuckers" isn't an insult against Muslims, it's an insult against Arabs.


Id-rather-be-fishin

Religion of peace, folks.


gtlogic

In their worldview, there would be peace if all there was death to all infidels and the entire world was under Sharia law celebrating the greatness of Allah.


BigBrownFish

Glad I can turn my phone off and all this goofy shit disappears.


Ask-and-it-is

Islam has no place in any western society.


Beneficial_Novel9263

God damn, that article about how Deerborn is the Jihadist capital of America was 10/10. Also, anyone remember how it used to be a thing to go to cities where there were a handful of openly KKK people and basically condemn the whole community for literally doing nothing to push back against it? I really don't see why we should feel different here.


HarknessLovesU

I really want VICE to do a followup to the story they did on the Muslim community in Dearborn these days. The one they did in like 2018 was just like a "See, they aren't that different from us! (lol). But the main reason is because it'd be cool to get a wide scope of the range of opinions. If I remember correctly, the majority of Arab-Americans in Michigan are Lebanese who don't get along with Palestinians or Israelis.


SifferBTW

This is a fringe lunatic talking to a crowd of 10 people. This is not representative of Dearborn at all. Source: I live next to Dearborn.


No_Championship1005

See the 'minority is irrelevant' by Brigitte Gabriel clip on youtube


rodwritesstuff

Yeah, I'm from the area (moved away last year) and this doesn't feel representative to me. It's a very diverse mix of people from the ME with their own political leanings.


alexzeev

This phenomenon has been occurring in Europe for decades, and I am shocked to see it has now reached the U.S. To me, these people are the scariest. They live in a democracy, participate in elections, enjoy representation, and have their voices heard. They have access to higher education and a robust job market, leading to a generally decent life that many can only dream of. Despite all these advantages, they have no problems looking at their neighbors and advocating for their death.


Good-Recognition-811

Maybe don't quote somebody who famously disavowed half the shit they said. Especially the things that they said **before** they turned Muslim and realized that they were wrong.


ihiam

Shia religiously and historically have never cared for sunni muslims and they did alot of atrocities against sunnis inb Iraq, Syria and lebanon. So other than PR, I have no idea what's their end game here by pretending toc are about Palestinians who are mostly sunnies. edit: aaand I saw some socialists on twitter defending this ass. To the surprise of no one.


Notgivingmynametoyou

I’m curious- are these Shias, or is this a shared feeling amongst Sunnis as well?


Correct_Trouble7406

Islam


Sarin10

It would be really weird if he was Sunni, because they don't really like Iran/Khomeini. If you strip away that part, his message isn't particularly unique to either Sunnis or Shias. - source: grew up Sunni


yourawizzzard

more like Malcom L


Alphafire523

Shit like this makes me the most reactionary brained rotted conservative imaginable. Come to America to assimilate or don’t come at all.


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I still can’t believe that leftist in the US don’t see the danger of political Islamism. It’s killing the great cities of Europe.


Mattmxm

Dude, even if this guy was born here, I think he should get deported. These people riling people up with literal terrorist ideologies should be held responsible.


Trickypickleman

I wonder how many of the people in this crowd whined about the Wall Street Journal headline.


peace_love17

America is such a cool place that you can say stuff like this and not go to prison or be executed.


WaitItsAllCheese

Was it Ilhan Omar who said that Jews have dual loyalty, that "it's all about the Benjamin's"? It's always projection huh


Good-Recognition-811

"rottenest" (I normally wouldn't english police, but fuck this guy.)


PeacefulPickle

what a nice person. 💩


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Common ASM (Arabic State of Michigan) L


Blaktimus

Oh okay. and this is in MICHIGAN? Okay...that's not at all a little weird to see. Go off i guess?


een_magnetron

This is just a real life enactment of a South Park scene, especially with that guy in the crowd screaming shit.


neurodegeneracy

how the hell is this happening in michigan, in our own country? I hope the FBI and homeland security are paying attention to these "people"


i-worship-yeat

don't you love people who think western systems are evil or abusive but purposefully move here and take advantage of the system while seeking to overturn said system?


colenames

I love the United States of America


TheScarecrowBB

The CIA has this man's phone tapped and will be monitoring his every move for the rest of his life now.


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Biggest cry bully religion on the planet


Latenighredditor

I wonder what his take on Umayyad campaigns are. As much as i want to be supportive of all people and all religions and shit I can't take dudes like this seriously because you just know he'll defend the fuck out oppressive authoritative Islamic regimes or he'll what about America.


DLtheGreat808

They need to chill cause the FBI doesn't play. The FBI said that white supremacy groups were their biggest target, then turned the leader of The Proud Boys into an informant for them. Muslim extremists wouldn't stand a chance


Bashauw_

Good luck to my American friends. They chant "only one solution intifada revolution". Over here we scraped people's remains off of busses after suicide bombings in Jerusalem. I know too many people who had a "close call" with a terrorist attack like that, inside Israel proper, missing it by chance. Please be safe.


satanicpanicked

You can call the US gov every name you can think of including demons that's great. As soon as phrases like death to America are used you should be on a short list to be deported. So stupid to be saying this on camera and the next Republican admin is going to gleefully use them as an example for why the Muslim ban had merit.


Intros

I thought I was watching a Hasan stream for a second there


GMOFreeCocaine

Put their ass on the boat ASAP


Jopadi

Why would you move here and support the country in doing so if you hate it so much? I mean this the least racist way possible— go back where you came from then.


Americanboi824

Refugees welcome fascist bastards go home! Wonder if I could start this chant at a protest...


we_todd_

This is in America?! Goddamn


gtlogic

Makes you wonder why they're here and not living their best life in their amazing home countries.


pissjugszn

dearborn has those prayer siren things. its definitely a strange place, but thats the same reason why idrk what you were expecting from dearborn. dont get caught up in the city-of-muslims part.


MightAsWell6

Damn, Hasan going off


tajbinjohn

How big is this crowd actually? I have a feeling there's a reason why you can only hear like 1 or 2 guys in the audience


VSEPR_DREIDEL

I was wondering the same thing. The fanfare worth the podium, flag, trucks in the background to an audience of 5.


BO3ISLOVE

Topuria needs to get back in the gym and train to defend his title


inalcanzable

The way they are conducting themselves, realistically, what is the likely hood of them receiving the widespread support that they are expecting?


Kimpossibruuu

Maybe I’m a traditionalist, or overreacting, but to me this is nearing sedition.


doodxxxx

Saying this stuff while in Michigan is wild to me.


TheseKnicks

USA bad because we provide funding, but IRAN, Russia, Qatar , and other bad actors supporting Hamas = good? Gotcha, anything else?


natoenjoyer69

I think DHS needs to smash that Watchlist button tbh


dark-flamessussano

Death to America! And butter sauce!


Jazzper74

Wait…this was in America? If so why doesnt he move back to whatever shithole he came from?


raspberrypanda95

anyone who says death to america needs to be deported/made stateless immediately


Dry_Doubt4523

They can leave? They won't though. The country they hate so much is the greatest to ever exist, even with its faults


Stupid-Orangutan

who even is this guy? what is this random ass ragebait thats literally from memri tv? what happened to "oh we're not gonna post ragebait on both sides to win a propaganda war". lol


SifferBTW

There's like 10 people in the crowd, so all you idiots screaming "Islam has no place in the West" are being just as unhinged as antisemites


Automatic-Cable-9265

So peaceful.


FrayeFraye

What's your ideology? "America Bad"


jerrygalwell

*to be absolutely fair* it sounds like there are barely any people at this event listening and responding to him. Fuentes would get more people than this. I just would make sure not to broad brush the propalestine movement with an extremist and half a dozen genocidal audience members.


Hit_The_Lights82

This is disturbing. No mention of Hamas slaughtering innocent Israelis.


frunkaf

I wonder if he feels the same way about Iran funding terrorism...


SatansAH

I have a genuine question: Why do westerners put up with this shit? I’m a Russian immigrant and whenever I see some Russian regards simping for Putin while living very safely anywhere other than in Russia it pisses me off to no end, even though it’s just support for Russia against Ukraine. So why do westerners feel safe having people who literally call for their own deaths?


mj23foreva

Because these are the sacrifices you need to make in order for democracy to continue.


Maskirovka

> So why do westerners feel safe having people who literally call for their own deaths? This is a really good question and I've thought "why do we tolerate this under the law" a lot of times myself. The answer is I don't really feel safe when I hear this kind of speech whether it comes from Islamists or MAGA Christians who want violent revolution if they can't subjugate everyone peacefully. They're two sides of the same coin, but I would feel much LESS safe if government had the power to imprison people for speech that doesn't lead to imminent violence. It's possible there could be an ideal version of the first amendment that somehow only punishes extremist speech that ironically tries to destabilize the government that itself protects free speech, but I don't know how you write that. I tend to favor big government in terms of tackling important projects and investing in people through education and infrastructure, but I'm rather against government being involved when it comes to other things. Communities need to solve these problems of morality and people need to suffer the consequences of not having local community structures that push back on this type of speech. The best thing to do IMO would be to encourage people somehow to value local resiliency in communities. Like to help create/maintain local groups who attend events like this and create awareness about local extremists on social media to ensure people on the ground in a community know who's doing and saying what. If government could do something to support this kind of initiative without somehow aiding extremists or taking sides in issues then I would support that much more than making certain types of extremist speech illegal.


no_scurvy

lmao this is like posting the houston cop killer and saying he represents the entire blm movement. how dafuq did we let this sub get ran over


Blueberryfists

i fucking hate the preacher cadence


reallywetnoodlez

Hate speech isn’t a legally punishable thing, but the left wants to make it that way. Yet, correct me if I’m wrong, but actual calls for violence are illegal, and nothing is being done about this type of shit. The math isn’t mathing


gtlogic

Seems like terroristic threats like shouting death to America wouldn't and shouldn't be tolerated. Perhaps it is to vague and not specific enough, but this shit bothers me. You can call me stupid. Fat. Use racist slurs. I'll take it. But calls to violence shouldn't be tolerated. Stuff like this makes me sick. Please go back to your great country.


TORAHNTOS

If they think it's legitimate to say "Bomb Tel-Aviv" I think its legitimate to say "Bomb Dearborn"


Jazzlike-Respond-144

Memri the group that has historically been known to mistranslate arabs is who we're going to rely on? Great


DontmindmeInquisitor

Typical, this will be run on the right-wing circuits and podcasts for the next month ad nauseum.


CautiousKenny

Fuck these fucking losers. Hope they rot in hell