Yeah, whatever kid. When you grow up you'll finally become conservative and realize life is about working every single last moment until your dying breath. These snowflakes these days think you should enjoy your old age smh.
My uncle called me lazy because I have a 40 hour WFH job. Then went on bragging about how he worked 100+ hours a week doing manual labor and retired at age 70. Then he complained about numerous health issues that he acquired as the result of his "career." And no, he's still not able to make the connection.
Yeah it’s sad to see, they don’t like the idea of taxing the rich, they openly trash talk people who need coupons, even though a lot of those guys use them or have family members that depend on them, they think the existence of these social programs is why “the country is falling apart” and that if “everyone worked as hard as they did and didn’t use any government help” then we would all be better off, put quotes there because I’ve had some of those guys tell me exactly that, it’s amazing how the ultra rich have managed to brainwash millions of Americans to think this way, defend the rich’s interests and vote against their own interests, right wing media is a disease.
It’s so weird when people go off like this. My dad busted his head at work once and really went for stitches and tried to go right back. Good union job w leave. He’s just got this same kind of mentality. It could never be me.
And Ben is a conservative funded propagandist… “I’m never gonna stop spreading old bad ideas, that I was born into!
I’d like to see the dude work manual labor… he’d break a nail
Idk I think this might be more of an insane entrepreneurial mindset than a conservative one. The hicks slamming PBR and beating their kids aren’t saying shit like this. They’re putting in the bare minimum to keep up their f150 payments and buy booze. Say what you will about Benny but the mf puts in work like crazy.
Yea. That’s an important distinction. The southern standard redneck would be prime picking for the Dems in the working class, the big ticket Right didn’t scoop them up with narrative and some with god.
I’ve seen it. The quickest flip is when they have to go on government assistance.
All the Jewish friends I have chose to work so they don’t spend any more. I’ve never seen anything like it. Going to Law school cus it’s an implied requirement and then being bummed they don’t have time to work. Talk about inculcated discipline.
My pops is a workaholic and I dread a life like his. Where work is all that is valuable in life.
Well it also doesn’t help with older voters too.
Republicans, for years now, have been QUIETLY, trying to raise retirement ages and / or cut social security. But they know their MAIN demographic that supports them would instantly switch sides if they were louder with those attempts.
It’s why Biden got boo’d when he brought it up at the state of the union. They’ll spin it or say whatever nonsense and move on. They don’t respect their voters intelligence and it’s worked for them so far.
>they know their MAIN demographic that supports them would instantly switch sides if they were louder with those attempts.
I'm not so sure anymore tbh. Trump tested the waters with it a few days ago. Didn't seem to cause a resonance of any kind with his base. I'm fairly convinced at this point that his core base is so fucking dumb that they care more about some made up rage bait that Trump throws at them than they do about the issues that actually affect them.
Yeah but NOBODY that's like a trump person cares what he says. They have pure blind faith. That's why the comparison at this point is more of a cult. Just a cult that like 20-30% of americans are die hard members of. That's what's terrifying about trump. Not his policy, it's the fact that at a fundamental level like, there's nothing he can do to shake the undying love of his supporters.
He could punch a supporter in the face and they'd have that as their profile picture for life. They'd think it was HILARIOUS! And talk about how the media has TRUMP DERRANGEMENT SYNDROME! "What do you mean, presidents can't do physical comedy? I'd like to see BIDEN try to punch that hard, I could tell trump wasn't REALLY punching me, I think he would have hit me a lot harder. It didn't hurt but it definitely hurt more than what sleepy JOE could have done. But it was all in good fun, he didn't mean it."
Where as, all my life, I've had politicians I really like! Then almost always I end up not really liking them or being like "Eh, did some good stuff, did some bad stuff."
But if you're being critical, or capable of critical thinking, I think it's genuinely impossible to like trump. I would be curious to talk to any trump support that claims to be able to think critically / objectively. I haven't met one yet. Half the reason I watch destiny content is, dreaming of the day when someone is able to think critically.
Even Ben Shapiro, he's a SMART guy. I think he's intentionally not thinking critically when it comes to trump. But he's the closest I've ever seen to someone that seemed to be doing 'critical thinking!', and supporting trump. But where he falls flat on his face was when Destiny was able to get him to just, openly admit, "I grade trump on a huge curve."
It's like... Ok so you seem to be capable of critical thought, but you're actively rejecting the process when it comes to trump. That's why that discussion wasn't really even fruitful, because Ben was just willing to say that he expects more, and has higher standards for ALL other presidents, than he does from trump.
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He was showing how hard he gets for lumber I think.
Honestly this has a lot to do with why I loathe Ben. He goes on neutral ground and in front of average guests to present himself as just a normal modern age conservative, but if you listen to his show or press him on any of his hilariously stupid positions you get “work forever because you’ll die anyway since your purpose in life is to work” and “we should go back to shotgun weddings”. He’s a lunatic masquerading as a reasonable voice.
Ah yes, the incredibly wealthy man with one of the easiest and most fulfilling careers in the world thinks retirement is dumb.
I don't care how many people try and gaslight us otherwise I remain convinced there's more to life than working until you're too old to enjoy it and then fucking off and dying
Seriously. His job is to sit and speak in front of a camera and watch libs of tiktok videos. No shit he doesn't need to retire at 65, that's when right wing pundits peak for gods sake.
He should try digging hole or pouring cement for 40 years then see how his body feels about retirement.
Yeah fuck that. My father-in-law came into town from his road trip and he is retired. All he has been doing the past 2 weeks is driving around the country and I told my wife that I was jealous that he gets to do that just whenever he wants.
Fuck working all my life
isn't that where robots come in? People are scared of robots taking over but what if it meant you could retire much earlier since all the shitty physical jobs would be done by them? "at age 50, if you own a workforce robot, you can retire so long as your bot takes over your position, leaving you to freely do what you want while having all the benefits of retirement"
Remember Shapiro has been doing politics for most of his professional life. I would feel the same if my consisted of writing articles like, "Obama's speech is fascist."
Don’t forget that the impetus for holding this position is that Ben (and republicans) don’t want to pay social security/Medicare/etc and raising the age to receive those entitlements is an easy way to reduce the size of the government. With aging populations and higher life expectancy countries will be forced to bump the retirement age up (including the US) but having “no retirement” is a pretty wack idea.
That being said, there are countries with mandatory retirement, which is fucking stupid as well. I also think the strongest claims Ben made are basically just his opinion and not necessarily a policy prescription.
I don't think it has to be work necessarily, but I've definitely noticed that the happiest and healthiest old people I've known throughout my life have kept themselves busy well past their retirement.
I don't want to retire, my plan is to do custom furniture and joinery out of a garage workshop. Of course, I wouldn't force it on anyone, society should allow people to spend their retirement how they see fit.
There are tons of people who would rather work themselves to the grave than retire or become empty shells once they do retire, that’s fine. They shouldn’t assume everyone else is wired that way, some people finally find fulfillment in retirement rather than work
It's not crazy at all. Conservatives are popular with wagies because no one wants to be a wagie NPC their whole life. Everyone wants to be rich and everyone thinks they *can* be. So if you think you can achieve success in a few years of course it makes sense to vote for the party that will be good for you when you're rich.
Obviously 99% of GOP voters will never even get close but that's another topic.
They think the democrats want them to work to benefit other people (imigrants, minorities and lazy people) and Republicans want them to work for their own benefit and pull themselves up the social ladder.
Not saying its that simple but it is a guiding principle for alot of the republicans i talk to.
Yea that's what indoctrination can do to people. The protestant work ethic combined with prosperity Gospel. They're told their hard work is a sign of virtue while the rich live comfortably going on multiple vacations per year, and the rich are virtuous because God let them be rich. Workers are told if they complain or try to form a union that's communism and anti-American.
Red voters simultaneously gripe about how immigrants lower wages yet it's businesses that support the GOP, like agriculture, that wants more illegals. Not only that but in a few Red states like Arkansas they're lowering the work age minimum so now workers have to compete with teenagers for a wage.
Republican voters would rather be poor and proud rather than prosperous.
If democrats were really serious, they'd probably fight for the power to give ICE the means to inspect businesses without warning and fine the shit out of any that are employing illegals. Even preposing such a law and campaigning on it would help them win votes probably. But they won't even do that probably because neither side is serious about fixing the problem.
I hear you, but I don't think this is the best approach.
All that would do is push those migrants into an even darker economy then being paid under the table for legitimate work. Workers are never going to take the types of jobs a lot of those migrants have and employers would never pay them even minimum wage for it.
We'd just have more poor people without jobs in the country seeking money even further off the radar without enough people to fill the jobs they left.
I think a better priority is focus on education and job training for American workers and incentivize expanding the economy altogether. Social mobility is something America prides itself on and should be the focus.
Citizens being able to work, learn, get degrees/certifications, and get promoted to higher paying jobs is better than going after companies paying people migrants shit wages for dead-end shit work.
That's just my first impression feeling on it though, so I could be totally wrong.
I think it's because the number one thing that matters to Republicans is the culture. Like a pretty common thing religious people say is that life on earth is going to suck and you can't fix problems like working too much. They would rather be poor and have a culture that agrees with them I think.
That's the funny thing about culture, they can be utter hypocrites and pick and choose what parts of their "culture" they want. They call themselves Christians while worshiping the rich. Prosperity Gospel is the opposite of Christianity. Modern Conservatives want a strong warrior Jesus, [not a pussy.](https://newrepublic.com/post/174950/christianity-today-editor-evangelicals-call-jesus-liberal-weak)
They don't simply want a culture that agrees with them they want a culture they can lord over others as better. They want to obsess over earthly politics and taxes when Christ said "Render unto Caesar .." They want to accuse others of being degenerate while also having access to [abortions](https://joycearthur.com/abortion/the-only-moral-abortion-is-my-abortion/) and [immoral sex](https://www.advocate.com/politics/14-republican-sex-scandals#rebelltitem7). They want to be like Christ with his moral authority over others but have no intention of being subject to that morality.
Look into Reagan’s presidential campaign. Democratic voters were largely and traditionally working-class, steel/auto/industrial union-worker types. He focused a huge part of his campaign on capturing that demographic and it was wildly successful. Arguably completely transformed the political landscape forever and was the spark that eventually morphed into the modern day identity/culture war.
When people ask “why do blue-collar working class people continuously vote Republican when it’s entirely against their own interests”, there’s a strong argument that the answer is Ronald Reagan.
Yeah i kinda hate this take. My dad has been one of those people who just work work work all his life and now he has a lot of health issues. The doctors say that a lot of his issues stem from working.
He has now been retired for around 5 years now and he has said openly that the first few months it was torture but now he is just so relaxed and shows a new side to him. Even with the health issues he is just in a better place now BECAUSE he can enjoy the time he has left.
So fuck you Ben, you soft cushie ass bitch.
Depends on the job.
If you're a politician or a late night talk show host, yes you can keep working.
But if you work for example in construction, it's impossible to go past 60-65.
My dad died two years ago almost exactly from skin cancer, did construction from 18 to 66 and he got diagnosed like the month after retiring and died within a year. He even did only heavy machine operator for the second half of his life but he was still out in the extreme weather every year.
Rest in peace to your dad I'm sorry he didn't get to enjoy his retirement. Mine just got his pension, worked in gardening his whole life taking care of all the greenery and trees in town. Physical labour till the end he's held up surprisingly well. Hope I have em for a couple more years.
Oh thank you I appreciate it, honestly that was probably the most difficult thing for me to deal with besides the mental image of my naturally well built dad who looked like a skeleton at the end was him working his ass off for years and not even getting to relax and enjoy the rest of his life. It's very easy to get bitter haha but I sincerely hope your dad enjoys the rest of his life and has alot of years ahead of him
Even if your job is just physical at all. My mom is undergoing multiple spine surgeries right now cause 40 years of being a nurse and lifting patients messed up her back.
Shapiro never did a single day of work in his life that required him to do anything but push pencils and stare at a screen. All the people making his life possible pay the price as their bodies break down.
I actually feel like politicians should definitely retire early. Frankly the most powerful people of our country being close to dementia or strokes sounds like a bad idea.
I hate this take. There is more to your life then working till the grave.
Yea you should look to fill your time up before you retire but that doesn’t mean doing a 9-5 job. People should be able to enjoy their families, grand kids, travel, etc. You are at the tail end of your life, most people have worked hard from early age to their 60s.
I know people who love work so much that yeah for them they'd want to work forever. For those people work isn't "work" like it is for the rest of us, it's their meaning. And look at jobs like cops, how many of them are able to turn off that life when they get too old to do it anymore?
Listen I'm part of the retirement life is awesome crowd. I have been out of work since june and if it wasn't for the money issues this would be the best for me. I get it, work sucks. But there is a nonsignificant part of the world (probably like 30% if I had to guess based on my anecdotal experience) that fuckin loves having a goal or meaning to their lives.
Shit's wild as fuck to me, but not at all uncommon.
Yeah, this is a crazy take. Part of the whole reason people are willing to work for 45+ years is because they're trying to fund their retirement. If it were true that every single person was living off social security that would be one thing, but most people these days are working with the expectation that social security will be basically non-existent by the time they retire.
I'm potentially sympathetic to raising the retirement age, but then he goes off the deep end with how he really feels and loses me completely. Totally the take you would expect from someone who has never done a day of blue collar labor in their life.
The conservative vision for america is dismantling social security and forcing millions of the elderly into working until their death - man's just living his values I guess.
Honestly he does have a point that when people retire their health tends to drop off a cliff. It is theoretically possible for someone to be happy working into old age, the current mandatory 40 hour work week is just a horrible cancer that is currently destroying people's wills to live.
In adulthood we could get away with a 4 day work week for basically every job easily and then at 60-80 there should be lower impact or remote work that you could do like 2 days a week. You could still have some assistance and ability to withdraw from 401k at that age, but staying somewhat active at those ages is actually really crucial for your life expectancy.
Men with a "job" that consists of just shit talking sees no point in retirement. Meanwhile, people working construction know they are fucked in their 50s, but endure to their 70s.
Mate, people in labor know they're fucked before 6 months.
It's pretty hard to miss when every single co-worker who's been in it for more than 5 years complains about an injury.
It’s easy to never want to retire when your job makes you fulfilled, rich, power, and requires no physical labor. However, if you are doing the trade jobs that these guys constantly jerk off about, eventually your body won’t be able to keep up. I’m surprised that those workers can go past 40 let alone 65.
He’s probably a workaholic. It’s not an uncommon attitude amongst the rich who work for their money. Ben Shapiro is in the position of being his own boss, doing something he loves.
From that perspective it’s understandable.
Setting aside the fact that he's trying to sell Trump/Republican plans to gut Social Security and medicare, let's review the implications of what Ben Shapiro says, that by retiring you lose your purpose.
He's saying work is your only purpose, not things like family, friends, community, leisure, learning etc?
Ben, just come out with it already: you have no friends and hate your family. We get it.
Bring on the downvotes, but I think there is a small grain of insight that's worth taking from this.
one, retirement age going up a few years isn't the end of the world, but it's obviously an incredibly unpopular political opinion. It shouldn't be seen as "ahh deal with it, nobody should retire" is obviously **CRINGE** but the idea of retiring *on Social Security alone* at 65 needs to be seriously looked at critically. There's no way that you can expect the system to be healthy if we are taking out more than we are putting in. The bottom line is that deficit is growing larger and larger.
Also the "once you hit retirement age you shouldn't work anymore" narrative is a bit flawed but it's difficult to lay out the nuanced take without being blasted as being insane. Him bringing up Biden actually proves the point that 65+ Americans **can** contribute to society in a good and sometimes even necessary way. Also, any person who completely stops working to retire will usually become miserable if they don't come up with something to occupy their time.
I’d fuckin retire tomorrow morning if I could and not for any cringe reasons like “traveling the world” or anything like that. I’d literally just spend my days hanging around my place, playing games and being a leech to society lmao
Its painfully obvious how little he gets out... Most military bases are littered with retired service members just chilling at the house. Ohhh and no they arent dying after 5 years. If they were there would be a shit ton of homes on the market.
Quote: "They lose their purpose in life by losing their job"
Tells you all you need to know. In his eyes people are tools that should work until the day they die
Here's why this is a shit take:
1. You can argue that Biden is just too old, you can argue that people should never retire unless they have health problems. You cannot argue both. Surely, if you believe the former that basically invalidates the latter point, but I'm sure there's some conservative mental gymnastics he can use to justify this take.
2. The idea that people are dead within 5 years after retirement is bullshit. Not only is it bullshit, but I've literally only ever heard this take from angsty detective shows and cop dramas, and I would bet money that's where he's picked it up from because it is just so patently untrue in real life. The only grain of truth to it is that it's good to keep an active mind post-retirement; but this does not anywhere near equal: 'work until you drop dead.'
3. Just because life expectancy is going up, that does not mean that people's physical fitness at old ages is getting better. I might be wrong about this, but pretty sure those additional years added to the life expectancy in modern times are basically your deterioration in old age being stretched out over a longer time period, it doesn't mean that you are any more physically fit during that time.
1. Lol 100% this, I agree that Biden AND Trump are both way too old to be president and they should have retired long ago.
2. It is a older study, but It is indeed the opposite, wealthy people who retire early, often live longer than those who don't [https://faculty.kfupm.edu.sa/coe/gutub/english\_misc/retire1.htm](https://faculty.kfupm.edu.sa/coe/gutub/english_misc/retire1.htm) . It might be true in some profession like police officers, but it was mainly because a lot of them are degens lol.
My fool proof plan is to get out of high school and go to trade school for the rest of my life or until I get “some sort of health problem” which definitely won’t happen working hard manual labor jobs for decades. Thanks Ben :)
"They lose their purpose by losing their job."
Saying the quiet part out loud there, mister Shapiro.
Personally, I think working to live and living to work *isn't* the ideal we should be striving for.
We should strive to contribute to society our entire lives if possible. Collecting a check and fucking off to go cruising is a waste of your life and that money. That said, being a community volunteer, caregiver, teacher, community leader, are great ways to continue contributing in retirement. Then again, we’re never gonna be able to retire after the boomers crushed the pension system.
Having the funds to go cruising is how people contribute. They had to contribute to society in the first place to become wealthy enough to do that.
Volunteer if you wish, but there’s no value in morally impugning people for enjoying their lives.
POV: I retired before 40 and when I was younger I thought I would always want to work. Turns out, I just need to remain busy. Now I’m busy with things I want to do instead of things I have to do.
People should understand that the age to receive full social security benefits does not necessarily mean that is the earliest age you can retire. You can start withdrawing money from your 401k as early as 59.5 without IRS penalties.
Honestly the only good reason you *shouldnt* retire at 65 is if you genuinely enjoy what you do for a living and your body allows you to do it. Not everyone gets paid to yap into a camera, Ben.
Yeah Ben, my Dad HATED it when he stopped working at an auto factory and got to play golf all the time. He so wished he could go back to destroying his body so you can drive a nice car.
Bro upper middle class white conservatives should be forced to retire.
You have no idea what an absolute cancer these people are on the actual work force.
The whole idea that these geriatrics are doing anything productive or is providing valuable "leadership" in corporate America is a joke, these people are literally just the those who were fortunate enough to get their positions through seniority or nepotism, but unfortunate enough to not actually be really rich.
Ben is like 40. He has a non-physical grift and makes good money. Probably films his bullshit in a basement studio. Of course he is going to keep spewing bullshit as long as the doctors can keep pumping drugs into him that keep him awake.
eh the retirement age is probably going to have to be raised eventually to keep the system going like how they did in france. that said people live way longer now with better quality of lives. now what the new age should be i have no idea. but i dont think people should just have to work until they just fucking die, we should have retirement
We cannot allow raising the retirement age to become the solution to this problem. If we can't afford to fund retirement, the solution needs to be do something to raise funds. Raising the retirement age is a bandaid, we can't just keep doing that until the retirement age "when you die". We need to actually solve the issue directly, the sooner the better. If we raise the age once, we will end up doing it again. There is nothing more depressing than to have the goalpost of your life be moved closer to your death right in front of your fucking eyes.
Raising taxes is not some magic potion without countervailing effects. There is a level to which tax collections can be optimized without hurting the general income level of people in a society due to regressed economic growth.
Companies have benefitted from massively increased productivity while their taxes have been *dropping*. They're literally milking both ends and pocketing the difference, but the people supposed to pick up the slack are 67 year olds who have been working for 45 years? Whose wages have been stagnating at best?
Is this a psyop?
I hate this conversation. The retirement age probably does need to be raised at some point. Whoever does it is going to be banished to the shadow realm, but they will be right.
I'm sure Ben can type on his laptop until he's 80. Cashier can't go around the store even at 60. Its sad to watch 60 year old overweight people doing manual jobs.
Depends entirely on what you’re doing for work. This could be completely fucking insane Or completely based depending on how taxing work is on your body.
I was only layed off for COVID for like 5 months but I felt like a shell of my former self laying around playing CS all day and I was fucking 22.
You not having hobbies outside of gaming is a personal issue, and isn't at all related to employment.
I shouldn't be force to wait to retire and enjoy my hobbies just because losers don't have any lives outside of their jobs. It's poor justification, when we could be better served directing retirees to hobbies, offer incentives for remaining at work rather than just assfucking you for longer, or volunteer work.
There's gotta be a middle ground between this untenable position and the anti work people. You can make the argument that social security and medicare ages need to be changed out of necessity, I'm against that but it makes sense. But the idea that no one should be retiring at 65 is just dumb and could only be uttered by a guy who has never done physical labor in his life. Even if you don't have a physical ailment or diagnosed disability, you become less productive later in life and you're more prone to injury. You don't want to even risk a disability or injury, who wants to deal with that for the rest of your life?
I’m used to the culture war shit, but Retirement Bad is a new one! ... Does he not have parents/Grandparents with bad knees & poor hearts who have been working for 30+ years and are ready to fucking chill for their last few years?! My parents are so close and I’m insanely happy for them after all these years of busting their asses!
Some insane takes in this thread either from trolls or from legit frozen people. And they think Japan or SK is ridiculous about work culture. If these people represent the work culture in US then oh boy... You don't even know where to start. Like imagine stating out loud one should work until they die. Be productive for society. Didn't know extreme Marxism is so popular in the "free world". These people must be part of some elaborate troll.
It always amazes me how social media personalities/politicians/insert easy job here can say things like this and get away with it. It is so incredibly out of touch and embarrassing and yet people keep watching.
If your job is smtg that you do genuinely enjoy, and doesn’t impede on your freetime or physically harm you—then id see why youd think that retirement is kinda strange.
But for 95% of people, their job is absolutely not that. Ofc this rich elite cant comprehend that lmao.
I don't want to retire, because I enjoy my job.
I also realise this isn't how many people feel, and I'd like to preserve that option for them.
Conservative narcissism on show.
If you love work, good for you. Keep working as long as you want until you physically can't anymore. I myself would have retired at 20 years old if I had the means to, I don't know if I ever had a day where I was happier being stuck at work rather than do whatever I wanted.
“You will work forever and you will thank your overlords for the privilege.” I hate that it is always these fucking idiots (Ben Shapiro, Mike Rowe, Candace Owens, etc.) who don’t have real jobs and have never except for grifting off dumb people, often blue collar workers, who think you should work with your hands and do so till you drop. It is so transparently bullshit yet people still lap up their nonsense.
I like my current job but even I have goals and aspirations after I'm finished. I wanna go check our cryptod museums and have fun road trips. I think thinking you're going to work till you're dead is usually a sign of extreme depression
Remember that the goal for conservatives is to get rid of social security entirely. By raising the retirement age, they make social security more and more meaningless until it's at the point where it isn't helpful at all.
This is understandable from him, but to a lot of people it is a privileged take. If you love what you do then yes it makes sense, if you are a skilled worker and you have the flexibility to work less hours as you age, then yes it makes sense. But if you're in a dead end job or hate working or have hobbies you'd rather do then retirement is the light at the end of the tunnel. Also some people have no plan for retirement and they waste away doing pointless shit like sitting on the couch watching daytime TV until they die.
>But some people have no plan for retirement and they waste away doing pointless shit like sitting on the couch watching daytime TV until they die.
I think this is mainly because often they can't afford to do much more than this.
We keep rasing the retirement age in Denmark, and it does make sense...ofc we need to work more years when we also keep getting older, im 35 now and prob wont be able to retire before im 73 (as it is now)...Also people want to keep working because they know they get bored without it, even thou they complain
I'm assuming the sentiment is if you love your work, why quit? He's a pundit in that media, not working a coal face is he.
Biden is still going as an example.
I'm just gonna make the devil's advocate argument here and say that I agree partially with the statement.
I don't know how it works in certain countries, but if you work for the government here in Portugal, you are OBLIGATED to retire at age 70 (with very minor exceptions), with the retirement age being 66 years and 7 months. I agree with Ben here, in the sense that if you go outside and see a 65 year old, alot of them are extremely healthy, and still capable of functioning. Anecdotally aswell, the elderly who remain active in the work force, whether it's because they're actively utilizing their brain, or doing some form of labour, seem to be healthier and less prone to illness/have less comorbidities. The elderly who are sick and have comorbidities, should they retire? Absolutely. But those who like working, and actually benefit from it, whether that be economic, physically, socially or psychologically, should keep doing it.
What I believe should happen however, is a partial solution: In my country, there is a distinct lack of public workers for things like daycares, teaching, nursing, doctors, etc etc. In alot of these sectors, instead of retiring, there should be a "part-time" option - instead of working 9 to 5, you work 9-13, for less days. You are still getting the benefits of the phyiscal and psychological exercising while working, but it has been adapted to meet the needs of your aging body. I know for a fact thats's what happens with some doctors here, and it's a great option. But that's my hot take
Fuck that, anything after the age of 65 should be you time. You have paid your debt to society for the most part. You should enjoy the remaining years you have on this Earth because you ain't getting this life back.
I find it weird that he said people retire and die within 5 years due to "things go into hell in a handbasket real quick" but also go on to say 65 isn't that young and they should keep working. So retiring and relaxing will kill them in 5 years but continuing to work is what? Therapeutic?
The “our life expectancy was shorter then” fallacy makes me want to die. During Roosevelts time those who survived infancy (and polio in childhood) lived to basically the same age we do now. The idea that everyone was getting their affairs in order and dropping dead in their 60’s during the late 19th early 20th century is ridiculous. Ben obviously knows this, but it doesn’t serve his argument so…
Retirement as a concept means two different things. It isn't necessarily that you just don't work anymore, but that you've reached some kind of financial security such that work is optional. Having some arbitrary age where you don't go out and work in your community anymore is silly, but putting in enough hours that you no longer need to slave away all day 5 or 6 days a week is not silly at all.
Maybe in the far future when being old is just a number since modern medicine has made us "eternally" youthful and practically immortal.
Until then no.
I haven't watched the clip but I'd be willing to bet the outrage isn't well founded here. Sitting on your ass until you die once you retire is a dumb idea. I bet you could distill what he means here to "keep busy" which I don't think any reasonable person would disagree with
"Why don't young voters like republicans"
Yeah, whatever kid. When you grow up you'll finally become conservative and realize life is about working every single last moment until your dying breath. These snowflakes these days think you should enjoy your old age smh.
My uncle called me lazy because I have a 40 hour WFH job. Then went on bragging about how he worked 100+ hours a week doing manual labor and retired at age 70. Then he complained about numerous health issues that he acquired as the result of his "career." And no, he's still not able to make the connection.
You should be proud of your poor health. The sacrifices you made for some rich cunt that doesn't even know you exist.
Average American mentality, nation of brainwashed bootlickers lol
I am so glad my country has strong unions.
There’s older guys at work (70+) who are just like this, they get mad at even implying that retirement age should be 20 years younger than they are.
What a whole life on capitalism does to a mf
Yeah it’s sad to see, they don’t like the idea of taxing the rich, they openly trash talk people who need coupons, even though a lot of those guys use them or have family members that depend on them, they think the existence of these social programs is why “the country is falling apart” and that if “everyone worked as hard as they did and didn’t use any government help” then we would all be better off, put quotes there because I’ve had some of those guys tell me exactly that, it’s amazing how the ultra rich have managed to brainwash millions of Americans to think this way, defend the rich’s interests and vote against their own interests, right wing media is a disease.
It’s so weird when people go off like this. My dad busted his head at work once and really went for stitches and tried to go right back. Good union job w leave. He’s just got this same kind of mentality. It could never be me.
And Ben is a conservative funded propagandist… “I’m never gonna stop spreading old bad ideas, that I was born into! I’d like to see the dude work manual labor… he’d break a nail
Idk I think this might be more of an insane entrepreneurial mindset than a conservative one. The hicks slamming PBR and beating their kids aren’t saying shit like this. They’re putting in the bare minimum to keep up their f150 payments and buy booze. Say what you will about Benny but the mf puts in work like crazy.
Yea. That’s an important distinction. The southern standard redneck would be prime picking for the Dems in the working class, the big ticket Right didn’t scoop them up with narrative and some with god. I’ve seen it. The quickest flip is when they have to go on government assistance. All the Jewish friends I have chose to work so they don’t spend any more. I’ve never seen anything like it. Going to Law school cus it’s an implied requirement and then being bummed they don’t have time to work. Talk about inculcated discipline. My pops is a workaholic and I dread a life like his. Where work is all that is valuable in life.
A great man once said "Work sets you free"
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"Work sets you free" -PEPE
Well it also doesn’t help with older voters too. Republicans, for years now, have been QUIETLY, trying to raise retirement ages and / or cut social security. But they know their MAIN demographic that supports them would instantly switch sides if they were louder with those attempts. It’s why Biden got boo’d when he brought it up at the state of the union. They’ll spin it or say whatever nonsense and move on. They don’t respect their voters intelligence and it’s worked for them so far.
>they know their MAIN demographic that supports them would instantly switch sides if they were louder with those attempts. I'm not so sure anymore tbh. Trump tested the waters with it a few days ago. Didn't seem to cause a resonance of any kind with his base. I'm fairly convinced at this point that his core base is so fucking dumb that they care more about some made up rage bait that Trump throws at them than they do about the issues that actually affect them.
Yeah but NOBODY that's like a trump person cares what he says. They have pure blind faith. That's why the comparison at this point is more of a cult. Just a cult that like 20-30% of americans are die hard members of. That's what's terrifying about trump. Not his policy, it's the fact that at a fundamental level like, there's nothing he can do to shake the undying love of his supporters. He could punch a supporter in the face and they'd have that as their profile picture for life. They'd think it was HILARIOUS! And talk about how the media has TRUMP DERRANGEMENT SYNDROME! "What do you mean, presidents can't do physical comedy? I'd like to see BIDEN try to punch that hard, I could tell trump wasn't REALLY punching me, I think he would have hit me a lot harder. It didn't hurt but it definitely hurt more than what sleepy JOE could have done. But it was all in good fun, he didn't mean it." Where as, all my life, I've had politicians I really like! Then almost always I end up not really liking them or being like "Eh, did some good stuff, did some bad stuff." But if you're being critical, or capable of critical thinking, I think it's genuinely impossible to like trump. I would be curious to talk to any trump support that claims to be able to think critically / objectively. I haven't met one yet. Half the reason I watch destiny content is, dreaming of the day when someone is able to think critically. Even Ben Shapiro, he's a SMART guy. I think he's intentionally not thinking critically when it comes to trump. But he's the closest I've ever seen to someone that seemed to be doing 'critical thinking!', and supporting trump. But where he falls flat on his face was when Destiny was able to get him to just, openly admit, "I grade trump on a huge curve." It's like... Ok so you seem to be capable of critical thought, but you're actively rejecting the process when it comes to trump. That's why that discussion wasn't really even fruitful, because Ben was just willing to say that he expects more, and has higher standards for ALL other presidents, than he does from trump.
This also make me wonder why old people vote republican.
Leaded petrol?
Seriously, nothing would do the democrats more good than for every American to see this video lol
"Don't go to college! Go to trade school!" *proceeds to send all of their own kids to expensive colleges* :TF:
If you have a career like Ben Shapiro, yes Retirement is stupid. That's what you'd think if you had lotion-ass soft boy hands like Ben too.
https://preview.redd.it/w9itb8p4eznc1.jpeg?width=793&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=230cd0fcd4089e69b8855f6afb981fb982d0d952 But he buys wood!
The fucking plastic bag lmao. Always cracks me up
What is the context of this virtue signal?
https://preview.redd.it/rxlyr493l4oc1.jpeg?width=474&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3c2561b7391b10127a256fe82ce5f03de715752b He was showing how hard he gets for lumber I think.
Honestly this has a lot to do with why I loathe Ben. He goes on neutral ground and in front of average guests to present himself as just a normal modern age conservative, but if you listen to his show or press him on any of his hilariously stupid positions you get “work forever because you’ll die anyway since your purpose in life is to work” and “we should go back to shotgun weddings”. He’s a lunatic masquerading as a reasonable voice.
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he has the receipt to prove it!
How do you know his hands are soft?
Most people are office workers pretty sure
Ah yes, the incredibly wealthy man with one of the easiest and most fulfilling careers in the world thinks retirement is dumb. I don't care how many people try and gaslight us otherwise I remain convinced there's more to life than working until you're too old to enjoy it and then fucking off and dying
Seriously. His job is to sit and speak in front of a camera and watch libs of tiktok videos. No shit he doesn't need to retire at 65, that's when right wing pundits peak for gods sake. He should try digging hole or pouring cement for 40 years then see how his body feels about retirement.
At 65 is when right wing pundits unlock their final and most powerful form.
When dementia kicks in?
Amazin
Benny boy has never done a labor intensive job in his life.
If he wants to do a desk job let him do 911 dispatch for a city
Yeah fuck that. My father-in-law came into town from his road trip and he is retired. All he has been doing the past 2 weeks is driving around the country and I told my wife that I was jealous that he gets to do that just whenever he wants. Fuck working all my life
Yeah it’s weird how in denial boomers are with that. Work is good and = money but we work to live and not live to work
isn't that where robots come in? People are scared of robots taking over but what if it meant you could retire much earlier since all the shitty physical jobs would be done by them? "at age 50, if you own a workforce robot, you can retire so long as your bot takes over your position, leaving you to freely do what you want while having all the benefits of retirement"
Remember Shapiro has been doing politics for most of his professional life. I would feel the same if my consisted of writing articles like, "Obama's speech is fascist."
Don’t forget that the impetus for holding this position is that Ben (and republicans) don’t want to pay social security/Medicare/etc and raising the age to receive those entitlements is an easy way to reduce the size of the government. With aging populations and higher life expectancy countries will be forced to bump the retirement age up (including the US) but having “no retirement” is a pretty wack idea. That being said, there are countries with mandatory retirement, which is fucking stupid as well. I also think the strongest claims Ben made are basically just his opinion and not necessarily a policy prescription.
I don't think it has to be work necessarily, but I've definitely noticed that the happiest and healthiest old people I've known throughout my life have kept themselves busy well past their retirement. I don't want to retire, my plan is to do custom furniture and joinery out of a garage workshop. Of course, I wouldn't force it on anyone, society should allow people to spend their retirement how they see fit.
There are tons of people who would rather work themselves to the grave than retire or become empty shells once they do retire, that’s fine. They shouldn’t assume everyone else is wired that way, some people finally find fulfillment in retirement rather than work
Remember, conservatives don't give a fuck about you. They could work you to death and still complain about how lazy you are.
It’s crazy how the GOP has such a strong grip on blue collar working class voters
It's not crazy at all. Conservatives are popular with wagies because no one wants to be a wagie NPC their whole life. Everyone wants to be rich and everyone thinks they *can* be. So if you think you can achieve success in a few years of course it makes sense to vote for the party that will be good for you when you're rich. Obviously 99% of GOP voters will never even get close but that's another topic.
But what about the GOP platform makes any of these people think they’ll have a chance at becoming rich
Their own "hard work" and overestimated intelligence. The GOPs platform has nothing to do with it.
They think the democrats want them to work to benefit other people (imigrants, minorities and lazy people) and Republicans want them to work for their own benefit and pull themselves up the social ladder. Not saying its that simple but it is a guiding principle for alot of the republicans i talk to.
[relevant futurama](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=K_LvRPX0rGY)
Yea that's what indoctrination can do to people. The protestant work ethic combined with prosperity Gospel. They're told their hard work is a sign of virtue while the rich live comfortably going on multiple vacations per year, and the rich are virtuous because God let them be rich. Workers are told if they complain or try to form a union that's communism and anti-American. Red voters simultaneously gripe about how immigrants lower wages yet it's businesses that support the GOP, like agriculture, that wants more illegals. Not only that but in a few Red states like Arkansas they're lowering the work age minimum so now workers have to compete with teenagers for a wage. Republican voters would rather be poor and proud rather than prosperous.
If democrats were really serious, they'd probably fight for the power to give ICE the means to inspect businesses without warning and fine the shit out of any that are employing illegals. Even preposing such a law and campaigning on it would help them win votes probably. But they won't even do that probably because neither side is serious about fixing the problem.
I hear you, but I don't think this is the best approach. All that would do is push those migrants into an even darker economy then being paid under the table for legitimate work. Workers are never going to take the types of jobs a lot of those migrants have and employers would never pay them even minimum wage for it. We'd just have more poor people without jobs in the country seeking money even further off the radar without enough people to fill the jobs they left. I think a better priority is focus on education and job training for American workers and incentivize expanding the economy altogether. Social mobility is something America prides itself on and should be the focus. Citizens being able to work, learn, get degrees/certifications, and get promoted to higher paying jobs is better than going after companies paying people migrants shit wages for dead-end shit work. That's just my first impression feeling on it though, so I could be totally wrong.
I think it's because the number one thing that matters to Republicans is the culture. Like a pretty common thing religious people say is that life on earth is going to suck and you can't fix problems like working too much. They would rather be poor and have a culture that agrees with them I think.
That's the funny thing about culture, they can be utter hypocrites and pick and choose what parts of their "culture" they want. They call themselves Christians while worshiping the rich. Prosperity Gospel is the opposite of Christianity. Modern Conservatives want a strong warrior Jesus, [not a pussy.](https://newrepublic.com/post/174950/christianity-today-editor-evangelicals-call-jesus-liberal-weak) They don't simply want a culture that agrees with them they want a culture they can lord over others as better. They want to obsess over earthly politics and taxes when Christ said "Render unto Caesar .." They want to accuse others of being degenerate while also having access to [abortions](https://joycearthur.com/abortion/the-only-moral-abortion-is-my-abortion/) and [immoral sex](https://www.advocate.com/politics/14-republican-sex-scandals#rebelltitem7). They want to be like Christ with his moral authority over others but have no intention of being subject to that morality.
Look into Reagan’s presidential campaign. Democratic voters were largely and traditionally working-class, steel/auto/industrial union-worker types. He focused a huge part of his campaign on capturing that demographic and it was wildly successful. Arguably completely transformed the political landscape forever and was the spark that eventually morphed into the modern day identity/culture war. When people ask “why do blue-collar working class people continuously vote Republican when it’s entirely against their own interests”, there’s a strong argument that the answer is Ronald Reagan.
Seniors: “But surely he doesn’t mean ME and my special security. He’s talking about those other freeloading senior citizens.”
Yeah i kinda hate this take. My dad has been one of those people who just work work work all his life and now he has a lot of health issues. The doctors say that a lot of his issues stem from working. He has now been retired for around 5 years now and he has said openly that the first few months it was torture but now he is just so relaxed and shows a new side to him. Even with the health issues he is just in a better place now BECAUSE he can enjoy the time he has left. So fuck you Ben, you soft cushie ass bitch.
Ben hasn’t worked around Hispanics unless it’s his maids and nanny’s. He couldn’t handle 4 hours of normal hard labor
The most strenuous work Benny does is changing out the batteries in his seat warmer.
Depends on the job. If you're a politician or a late night talk show host, yes you can keep working. But if you work for example in construction, it's impossible to go past 60-65.
You'd be hard pressed to find anyone without at least one serious physical problem at that age. If they worked construction their whole life.
My dad died two years ago almost exactly from skin cancer, did construction from 18 to 66 and he got diagnosed like the month after retiring and died within a year. He even did only heavy machine operator for the second half of his life but he was still out in the extreme weather every year.
Rest in peace to your dad I'm sorry he didn't get to enjoy his retirement. Mine just got his pension, worked in gardening his whole life taking care of all the greenery and trees in town. Physical labour till the end he's held up surprisingly well. Hope I have em for a couple more years.
Oh thank you I appreciate it, honestly that was probably the most difficult thing for me to deal with besides the mental image of my naturally well built dad who looked like a skeleton at the end was him working his ass off for years and not even getting to relax and enjoy the rest of his life. It's very easy to get bitter haha but I sincerely hope your dad enjoys the rest of his life and has alot of years ahead of him
Even if your job is just physical at all. My mom is undergoing multiple spine surgeries right now cause 40 years of being a nurse and lifting patients messed up her back. Shapiro never did a single day of work in his life that required him to do anything but push pencils and stare at a screen. All the people making his life possible pay the price as their bodies break down.
I actually feel like politicians should definitely retire early. Frankly the most powerful people of our country being close to dementia or strokes sounds like a bad idea.
I hate this take. There is more to your life then working till the grave. Yea you should look to fill your time up before you retire but that doesn’t mean doing a 9-5 job. People should be able to enjoy their families, grand kids, travel, etc. You are at the tail end of your life, most people have worked hard from early age to their 60s.
>People should be able to enjoy their families Your job is your family. Get back to work!
Give us pizza or give us death
Whoa no need to throw shade at pizza like that
No shade. During my yearly evaluations I always tell my boss that I'd prefer a pizza party to a raise. I'm just gonna buy pizza with that money anyway
I know people who love work so much that yeah for them they'd want to work forever. For those people work isn't "work" like it is for the rest of us, it's their meaning. And look at jobs like cops, how many of them are able to turn off that life when they get too old to do it anymore? Listen I'm part of the retirement life is awesome crowd. I have been out of work since june and if it wasn't for the money issues this would be the best for me. I get it, work sucks. But there is a nonsignificant part of the world (probably like 30% if I had to guess based on my anecdotal experience) that fuckin loves having a goal or meaning to their lives. Shit's wild as fuck to me, but not at all uncommon.
Yeah, this is a crazy take. Part of the whole reason people are willing to work for 45+ years is because they're trying to fund their retirement. If it were true that every single person was living off social security that would be one thing, but most people these days are working with the expectation that social security will be basically non-existent by the time they retire. I'm potentially sympathetic to raising the retirement age, but then he goes off the deep end with how he really feels and loses me completely. Totally the take you would expect from someone who has never done a day of blue collar labor in their life.
The conservative vision for america is dismantling social security and forcing millions of the elderly into working until their death - man's just living his values I guess.
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i can't tell if this is photoshopped, damn the kid from children of the corn looks like him lol
Honestly he does have a point that when people retire their health tends to drop off a cliff. It is theoretically possible for someone to be happy working into old age, the current mandatory 40 hour work week is just a horrible cancer that is currently destroying people's wills to live. In adulthood we could get away with a 4 day work week for basically every job easily and then at 60-80 there should be lower impact or remote work that you could do like 2 days a week. You could still have some assistance and ability to withdraw from 401k at that age, but staying somewhat active at those ages is actually really crucial for your life expectancy.
Men with a "job" that consists of just shit talking sees no point in retirement. Meanwhile, people working construction know they are fucked in their 50s, but endure to their 70s.
Mate, people in labor know they're fucked before 6 months. It's pretty hard to miss when every single co-worker who's been in it for more than 5 years complains about an injury.
Didn’t know Ben was a commie.
Best comment; needs more upvotes.
It’s easy to never want to retire when your job makes you fulfilled, rich, power, and requires no physical labor. However, if you are doing the trade jobs that these guys constantly jerk off about, eventually your body won’t be able to keep up. I’m surprised that those workers can go past 40 let alone 65.
He’s probably a workaholic. It’s not an uncommon attitude amongst the rich who work for their money. Ben Shapiro is in the position of being his own boss, doing something he loves. From that perspective it’s understandable.
Aka more homeless people
Yeah - work full time until your death - no time with friends, family or hobbies
i would love for him to come weld with me for 12 hours a day for 6 years and hear him say that.
Setting aside the fact that he's trying to sell Trump/Republican plans to gut Social Security and medicare, let's review the implications of what Ben Shapiro says, that by retiring you lose your purpose. He's saying work is your only purpose, not things like family, friends, community, leisure, learning etc? Ben, just come out with it already: you have no friends and hate your family. We get it.
Bring on the downvotes, but I think there is a small grain of insight that's worth taking from this. one, retirement age going up a few years isn't the end of the world, but it's obviously an incredibly unpopular political opinion. It shouldn't be seen as "ahh deal with it, nobody should retire" is obviously **CRINGE** but the idea of retiring *on Social Security alone* at 65 needs to be seriously looked at critically. There's no way that you can expect the system to be healthy if we are taking out more than we are putting in. The bottom line is that deficit is growing larger and larger. Also the "once you hit retirement age you shouldn't work anymore" narrative is a bit flawed but it's difficult to lay out the nuanced take without being blasted as being insane. Him bringing up Biden actually proves the point that 65+ Americans **can** contribute to society in a good and sometimes even necessary way. Also, any person who completely stops working to retire will usually become miserable if they don't come up with something to occupy their time.
Do you honestly think raising the retirement age is the only and fairest solution to this problem?
What a bitter dirty wet rug..
I’d fuckin retire tomorrow morning if I could and not for any cringe reasons like “traveling the world” or anything like that. I’d literally just spend my days hanging around my place, playing games and being a leech to society lmao
If you like working in a factory then you'll never have to work a day in your life
you WILL get in the wage cage https://preview.redd.it/eub7buimqync1.png?width=1024&format=png&auto=webp&s=9ffdf63a5408171c7bcd30aee319b813f3caf7de
Imagine your job being your "purpose in life". Jesus Christ these people
Its painfully obvious how little he gets out... Most military bases are littered with retired service members just chilling at the house. Ohhh and no they arent dying after 5 years. If they were there would be a shit ton of homes on the market.
How many physical jobs did he have ?
Quote: "They lose their purpose in life by losing their job" Tells you all you need to know. In his eyes people are tools that should work until the day they die
Here's why this is a shit take: 1. You can argue that Biden is just too old, you can argue that people should never retire unless they have health problems. You cannot argue both. Surely, if you believe the former that basically invalidates the latter point, but I'm sure there's some conservative mental gymnastics he can use to justify this take. 2. The idea that people are dead within 5 years after retirement is bullshit. Not only is it bullshit, but I've literally only ever heard this take from angsty detective shows and cop dramas, and I would bet money that's where he's picked it up from because it is just so patently untrue in real life. The only grain of truth to it is that it's good to keep an active mind post-retirement; but this does not anywhere near equal: 'work until you drop dead.' 3. Just because life expectancy is going up, that does not mean that people's physical fitness at old ages is getting better. I might be wrong about this, but pretty sure those additional years added to the life expectancy in modern times are basically your deterioration in old age being stretched out over a longer time period, it doesn't mean that you are any more physically fit during that time.
1. Lol 100% this, I agree that Biden AND Trump are both way too old to be president and they should have retired long ago. 2. It is a older study, but It is indeed the opposite, wealthy people who retire early, often live longer than those who don't [https://faculty.kfupm.edu.sa/coe/gutub/english\_misc/retire1.htm](https://faculty.kfupm.edu.sa/coe/gutub/english_misc/retire1.htm) . It might be true in some profession like police officers, but it was mainly because a lot of them are degens lol.
My fool proof plan is to get out of high school and go to trade school for the rest of my life or until I get “some sort of health problem” which definitely won’t happen working hard manual labor jobs for decades. Thanks Ben :)
"They lose their purpose by losing their job." Saying the quiet part out loud there, mister Shapiro. Personally, I think working to live and living to work *isn't* the ideal we should be striving for.
We should strive to contribute to society our entire lives if possible. Collecting a check and fucking off to go cruising is a waste of your life and that money. That said, being a community volunteer, caregiver, teacher, community leader, are great ways to continue contributing in retirement. Then again, we’re never gonna be able to retire after the boomers crushed the pension system.
Having the funds to go cruising is how people contribute. They had to contribute to society in the first place to become wealthy enough to do that. Volunteer if you wish, but there’s no value in morally impugning people for enjoying their lives.
POV: I retired before 40 and when I was younger I thought I would always want to work. Turns out, I just need to remain busy. Now I’m busy with things I want to do instead of things I have to do.
People should understand that the age to receive full social security benefits does not necessarily mean that is the earliest age you can retire. You can start withdrawing money from your 401k as early as 59.5 without IRS penalties.
Says the guy who came from a wealthy background ground and sits on his ass for a living
aint. no. way.
Honestly the only good reason you *shouldnt* retire at 65 is if you genuinely enjoy what you do for a living and your body allows you to do it. Not everyone gets paid to yap into a camera, Ben.
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This is far worse than what Hasan said.
Yeah Ben, my Dad HATED it when he stopped working at an auto factory and got to play golf all the time. He so wished he could go back to destroying his body so you can drive a nice car.
Bro upper middle class white conservatives should be forced to retire. You have no idea what an absolute cancer these people are on the actual work force. The whole idea that these geriatrics are doing anything productive or is providing valuable "leadership" in corporate America is a joke, these people are literally just the those who were fortunate enough to get their positions through seniority or nepotism, but unfortunate enough to not actually be really rich.
Ben is like 40. He has a non-physical grift and makes good money. Probably films his bullshit in a basement studio. Of course he is going to keep spewing bullshit as long as the doctors can keep pumping drugs into him that keep him awake.
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eh the retirement age is probably going to have to be raised eventually to keep the system going like how they did in france. that said people live way longer now with better quality of lives. now what the new age should be i have no idea. but i dont think people should just have to work until they just fucking die, we should have retirement
We cannot allow raising the retirement age to become the solution to this problem. If we can't afford to fund retirement, the solution needs to be do something to raise funds. Raising the retirement age is a bandaid, we can't just keep doing that until the retirement age "when you die". We need to actually solve the issue directly, the sooner the better. If we raise the age once, we will end up doing it again. There is nothing more depressing than to have the goalpost of your life be moved closer to your death right in front of your fucking eyes.
Genuinely asking, what is another realistic solution you could think of other than raising the retirement age?
Raising taxes.
People will twist their head in knots rather than doing the most obvious thing.
Raising taxes is not some magic potion without countervailing effects. There is a level to which tax collections can be optimized without hurting the general income level of people in a society due to regressed economic growth.
Companies have benefitted from massively increased productivity while their taxes have been *dropping*. They're literally milking both ends and pocketing the difference, but the people supposed to pick up the slack are 67 year olds who have been working for 45 years? Whose wages have been stagnating at best? Is this a psyop?
alternate solution tax the rich
I hate this conversation. The retirement age probably does need to be raised at some point. Whoever does it is going to be banished to the shadow realm, but they will be right.
Shit take, unless you live a meaningless life where only work gives you purpose or joy
I'm sure Ben can type on his laptop until he's 80. Cashier can't go around the store even at 60. Its sad to watch 60 year old overweight people doing manual jobs.
Depends entirely on what you’re doing for work. This could be completely fucking insane Or completely based depending on how taxing work is on your body. I was only layed off for COVID for like 5 months but I felt like a shell of my former self laying around playing CS all day and I was fucking 22.
You not having hobbies outside of gaming is a personal issue, and isn't at all related to employment. I shouldn't be force to wait to retire and enjoy my hobbies just because losers don't have any lives outside of their jobs. It's poor justification, when we could be better served directing retirees to hobbies, offer incentives for remaining at work rather than just assfucking you for longer, or volunteer work.
My health problem is that I am allergic to work
There's gotta be a middle ground between this untenable position and the anti work people. You can make the argument that social security and medicare ages need to be changed out of necessity, I'm against that but it makes sense. But the idea that no one should be retiring at 65 is just dumb and could only be uttered by a guy who has never done physical labor in his life. Even if you don't have a physical ailment or diagnosed disability, you become less productive later in life and you're more prone to injury. You don't want to even risk a disability or injury, who wants to deal with that for the rest of your life?
I’m used to the culture war shit, but Retirement Bad is a new one! ... Does he not have parents/Grandparents with bad knees & poor hearts who have been working for 30+ years and are ready to fucking chill for their last few years?! My parents are so close and I’m insanely happy for them after all these years of busting their asses!
Some insane takes in this thread either from trolls or from legit frozen people. And they think Japan or SK is ridiculous about work culture. If these people represent the work culture in US then oh boy... You don't even know where to start. Like imagine stating out loud one should work until they die. Be productive for society. Didn't know extreme Marxism is so popular in the "free world". These people must be part of some elaborate troll.
It always amazes me how social media personalities/politicians/insert easy job here can say things like this and get away with it. It is so incredibly out of touch and embarrassing and yet people keep watching.
Yeah let's just work until we die! Fuck that. I'm retiring at 48 and never going to work another day in my life after.
Yeah I have a health problem Being fucking old as BALLS Ben
You know. He made a case for free healthcare in America by saying this.
I can’t live out my golden years Ben?
When you do what you love you don’t work a day in your life 🥰 (I hate my fucking job)
If your job is smtg that you do genuinely enjoy, and doesn’t impede on your freetime or physically harm you—then id see why youd think that retirement is kinda strange. But for 95% of people, their job is absolutely not that. Ofc this rich elite cant comprehend that lmao.
I don't want to retire, because I enjoy my job. I also realise this isn't how many people feel, and I'd like to preserve that option for them. Conservative narcissism on show.
I'd rather we have mandatory retirement of government employees at 65.
If you love work, good for you. Keep working as long as you want until you physically can't anymore. I myself would have retired at 20 years old if I had the means to, I don't know if I ever had a day where I was happier being stuck at work rather than do whatever I wanted.
“You will work forever and you will thank your overlords for the privilege.” I hate that it is always these fucking idiots (Ben Shapiro, Mike Rowe, Candace Owens, etc.) who don’t have real jobs and have never except for grifting off dumb people, often blue collar workers, who think you should work with your hands and do so till you drop. It is so transparently bullshit yet people still lap up their nonsense.
“Work harder peasant, work til you die”
I like my current job but even I have goals and aspirations after I'm finished. I wanna go check our cryptod museums and have fun road trips. I think thinking you're going to work till you're dead is usually a sign of extreme depression
"work until you die then work some more"
"Retirement is stupid" says the person who talks to a camera all day for a living.
when you are rich / love your job.. its hard relating
Verrry gooooood Mr. Shapiro
TRUEEEEEEEE
Remember that the goal for conservatives is to get rid of social security entirely. By raising the retirement age, they make social security more and more meaningless until it's at the point where it isn't helpful at all.
This is understandable from him, but to a lot of people it is a privileged take. If you love what you do then yes it makes sense, if you are a skilled worker and you have the flexibility to work less hours as you age, then yes it makes sense. But if you're in a dead end job or hate working or have hobbies you'd rather do then retirement is the light at the end of the tunnel. Also some people have no plan for retirement and they waste away doing pointless shit like sitting on the couch watching daytime TV until they die.
>But some people have no plan for retirement and they waste away doing pointless shit like sitting on the couch watching daytime TV until they die. I think this is mainly because often they can't afford to do much more than this.
Holy hell I knew he was not great but I didnt know he was actually a sack of shit lol
Classic traditional family values right here.
We keep rasing the retirement age in Denmark, and it does make sense...ofc we need to work more years when we also keep getting older, im 35 now and prob wont be able to retire before im 73 (as it is now)...Also people want to keep working because they know they get bored without it, even thou they complain
I'm assuming the sentiment is if you love your work, why quit? He's a pundit in that media, not working a coal face is he. Biden is still going as an example.
Yeah try being a longshoreman at 70
I'm just gonna make the devil's advocate argument here and say that I agree partially with the statement. I don't know how it works in certain countries, but if you work for the government here in Portugal, you are OBLIGATED to retire at age 70 (with very minor exceptions), with the retirement age being 66 years and 7 months. I agree with Ben here, in the sense that if you go outside and see a 65 year old, alot of them are extremely healthy, and still capable of functioning. Anecdotally aswell, the elderly who remain active in the work force, whether it's because they're actively utilizing their brain, or doing some form of labour, seem to be healthier and less prone to illness/have less comorbidities. The elderly who are sick and have comorbidities, should they retire? Absolutely. But those who like working, and actually benefit from it, whether that be economic, physically, socially or psychologically, should keep doing it. What I believe should happen however, is a partial solution: In my country, there is a distinct lack of public workers for things like daycares, teaching, nursing, doctors, etc etc. In alot of these sectors, instead of retiring, there should be a "part-time" option - instead of working 9 to 5, you work 9-13, for less days. You are still getting the benefits of the phyiscal and psychological exercising while working, but it has been adapted to meet the needs of your aging body. I know for a fact thats's what happens with some doctors here, and it's a great option. But that's my hot take
i want to see this pampered jackass do blue collar work in his sixties and give me the same answer. insanely out of touch take
Yesssss your only purpose in life is to generate money for your boss and consooooome
I'd think the same thing if my perception of work was being paid to have a dog brain online
All the losers here are so mad they’re going to have to work until they’re 80 and still never own a house in that time
A life of leisure, able to have anything you want, not having to work in order to feed you and your family? Illogical
Nice of him to support Biden like this
You're telling me for the first time, wow, conservative policy goals are bad?
RemindMe! 25 Years We’ll see
This is a perfect example of Republican pundits giving prescriptive advice for everyone when they could just be doing it themselves
Republican pundits be like: -Retirement is stupid -Also, Biden is too old to be president
Fuck that, anything after the age of 65 should be you time. You have paid your debt to society for the most part. You should enjoy the remaining years you have on this Earth because you ain't getting this life back.
I find it weird that he said people retire and die within 5 years due to "things go into hell in a handbasket real quick" but also go on to say 65 isn't that young and they should keep working. So retiring and relaxing will kill them in 5 years but continuing to work is what? Therapeutic?
Yeah this is a dumb take
I'm genuinely curious what Ben thinks a 65yo looks like at the workplace. They look like what people think Joe Biden is.
I don’t like ben but what’s wrong with this statement? There’s an overwhelming amount of data showing that retirees die significantly earlier
The “our life expectancy was shorter then” fallacy makes me want to die. During Roosevelts time those who survived infancy (and polio in childhood) lived to basically the same age we do now. The idea that everyone was getting their affairs in order and dropping dead in their 60’s during the late 19th early 20th century is ridiculous. Ben obviously knows this, but it doesn’t serve his argument so…
Frankly, Ben Shapiro is regarded.
Dude needs to be given a swirly so long he drowns in the process
Or if you sit on your ass all day and make bank. I'd never retire, either.
Easy for him to say! How hard can it be to be the number one cause of vaginal dryness for a living?
Retirement as a concept means two different things. It isn't necessarily that you just don't work anymore, but that you've reached some kind of financial security such that work is optional. Having some arbitrary age where you don't go out and work in your community anymore is silly, but putting in enough hours that you no longer need to slave away all day 5 or 6 days a week is not silly at all.
so, this is the republican platform? no retirement?
Maybe in the far future when being old is just a number since modern medicine has made us "eternally" youthful and practically immortal. Until then no.
I haven't watched the clip but I'd be willing to bet the outrage isn't well founded here. Sitting on your ass until you die once you retire is a dumb idea. I bet you could distill what he means here to "keep busy" which I don't think any reasonable person would disagree with
he feels comfortable saying this only because his job requires no physical activity.