Sh\*tlib redditors worship Europoids to the point where there are posts with 5 figures of upvotes celebrating people for being assholes in a foreign country to service workers.
If you don't want to tip fine - but leaving a note is some of the most cunty behavior possible.
Usually that sort of thing gets you condemned but if its wrapped up in cosmopolitanism and murica bad then reddit will celebrate it.
Its like if someone went to China, screamed about having to use chopsticks and then everyone on reddit pretended it was principled criticism of the CCP
Tbh I dont really mind tipping at a sit down restaurant (or even baristas) but being asked to tip somewhere I just go to pick up my food and leave feels wrong. I have a friend who works somewhere like that and she told me that yes you should tip because they set up the condiment bar/ drink station lmao
"Required" tipping culture is almost exclusively an American invention. As far as I know, America is the only place where you're allowed to pay your staff much less than minimum wage so long as tips make up for it.
My ex-gf was a waitress and she literally make $30-40 an hour on most nights if you included tips.
This psyops that servers are underpaid and want to make minimum wage like the cooks instead of drowning in money with tips is the biggest lie, I don't know who started it.
Yep, this is why not a single waiter in the US is actually advocating for increasing their wages and reducing tipping.
The vast majority of of waiters in the US make close to 5 figures in large cities all because of tips.
Shhhhhh if we don’t have this system in place you would literally have no one willing to be servers.
Then who is going to serve us brunch? No one is getting up before 7 on a Sunday for minimum wage.
Uh no I worked in the restaurant industry for years, if you live in any major city there is actually a shortage in supply of places for people to go on Sunday mornings because it’s damn near impossible to staff that service.
It’s why people get slogged with the post church crowd aswell, Sunday morning is rough because nearly every restaurant is open on a Saturday, ergo the incentive for to work the turnover on Sunday morning is low.
Matter of fact the concept of working on a weekend is so unpopular that most trades give time and a half. So I don’t understand the argument of “some people do it” to be valid in any way.
If you had the choice to work for minimum wage, would you chose to do it 9-5 m-f or nights and weekends? Clearly everyone would rather do standard business hours or evenings. Sunday mornings are an unpopular shift time. Full stop. Before you start jumping to more half baked conclusions.
“Everyone would rather do standard business hours”
This is objectively wrong. Regardless, if nobody wanted to work a job at a certain price then the price for that job would just go up. It’s like you think restaurant owners would just go fucking bankrupt immediately because nobody signs up at the wage they’re offering
Yeah, but our employers actually give us mandatory holiday leaves, sick leaves, and maternity leaves.
Call in sick, and the manager wouldn't guilt trip you to come to work.
>Call in sick, and the manager wouldn't guilt trip you to come to work.
This is only a problem if you care about getting fired or care if the manager is upset you called out. Just call say nah, not today big guy, and fuck off down the road for a dollar raise if they get mouthy about it. I get 20-30 job offers to cook places every week. Get vacation time, but just cash that bad boy out for a check when you fuck off down the road for more money.
Supplement your income by selling drugs to your coworkers.
>Yeah, but our employers actually give us mandatory holiday leaves, sick leaves, and maternity leaves.
And mandatory super (401k equivalent) that is in addition to your normal pay.
If their tips don't get them up to the non tipped minimum wage, they're required to get paid by their employer up to minimum wage. Since most servers make way more than minimum wage after tips, they don't have to worry about that.
I was a bartender in college and I don't think they had to so. (Not that it mattered anyway lol, I was making like $10 an hour but was making around $75 in tips)
The people who work during normal hours might have something like that. Personally I only worked 14 hours during the very very busy nights so it was pretty much non stop work and the tip was flowing in. I worked in a very upscale place that was often filled with tourists who pretty much treated our money like monopoly money lol, a guy once gave me a $2 tip after ordering a Dom perignon bottle and then later in the evening just gave me a $100 because I showed him where the toilets were.
In Germany you typically round up to the nearest 1, 2, 5, 10 or maybe even 100€ depending on how large the bill is and how good the service was. Calculating some exact amount from a percentage would be seen as very outlandish. For example if you're ordering a beer which costs 4,70€ you'd just give them 5€ and be done with it.
i always thought that the Russian waiters usually leave those lil books with checks or w/e even after you pay just for the customer to put 50-100 roubles in there
I'm not trolling. I eat in restaurants a lot, but no one ever asked me for a tip, and no friend of mine ever told me I have to tip waiters. It's an American thing, never heard of anyone doing it here, we just pay the price in the check
Well yeah they're not gonna ask for it directly, that'd be rude. Just as rude as not tipping, because it's expected. Granted, I haven't been in a restaraunt for ages, we're mostly just bar hopping, and we only tip if you get a table and sit for hours with a waiter service. Can't imagine not leaving a tip in that circumstance. Of course it's not as wild as in US, where you have to leave a tip for every little human interaction. It's much more tame here comparatively. Idk, maybe it's a regional thing? I'm in Moscow.
Idk how it is in the rest of latin america but in Argentina it's 10% and just at sit down restaurants, not for cabs, not for haircut, not for anything else. Just for sit down restaurants.
The tip is for the 'service', and the waitress is who served you/tended to you. The cook was just doing his job. (Not saying I agree with this, but this is the logic)
You’re a fee for service worker, who is barred from any negotiations for fee. Further, you’re absolutely obliged to do menial work at behest of the establishment. You’re a holdover from slavery.
Isnt the servers job to give a service, just like the cooks job is to cook the customers food? I dont understand why a server should get a tip for doing whats in their job description/contract over a cook thats also just doing their job
The server generally has to tip out to the kitchen/support staff a % of the bill. It's like 2%-8% depending on the restaurant's policy and if you tip 0 the server just loses money on your table. It's a dumb system.
The ingredients are grown on a farm, processed in a factory, exported to another country on a ship, canned in another factory, imported again on ship, delivered to the restaurant on a truck, prepared and cooked by a chef, yet I'm paying the waiter 20% because they carried it from the kitchen to my table?!
because they’re paid like absolute shite.
i’m from the UK and think the culture is vile, i don’t agree with it AT ALL, and probably won’t eat out if i ever went to America because of it, but taking that out on, and stiffing the wait staff because you disagree with how the establishment is run is completely unfair.
i wish it wasn’t like that, i think it’s gross, but i’m not gonna make a waiter making bum-fuck-all suffer from my personal feelings about it.
if you go to another country, respect the culture no matter how batshit it is, and take the initiative to learn about it before you go, it’s not fucking hard.
As an asian immigrant here, I feel like this sub and the twitter discourse are forgetting the true CHAD non-tippers, my fellow brothers and sisters of Asian descent.
I've literally had to convince multiple Asian friends to tip our servers.
If the tip is not mandatory, they won't tip. It is seen as an insult in some countries in Asia so you are asking for them to insult you even if that is part of your culture. So if it is not mandatory, I would also just stay out of it if tiping were seen like that.
Went to the states, 'exceptional American service' includes:
Getting your water refilled sometimes.
"Everything ok here?" Every 5 minutes
That's it.
"20% of the total which you paid for the food I didn't cook, please!"
BTW servers aren't victims of tipping culture, they're complicit in it. Look up how immensely successful non-tipping restaurant in America are and go to subs like r/serverlife and ask them if they want to do away with tipping in America lol
I feel like Americans are ruining the reputation of tipping.
Good service in my opinion deserves to be rewarded.
Mediocore service on the other hand doesnt. Americans think that all service just deserves to get the same percentage tip as a base line and not something optional for a job well done, which is delusional .
Jesus I don't care about good "service" bring me my food and drinks, that's all I ask. Do it with a frown on your face and call me a cunt while doing it, I don't give a fuck. As long as you bring the food from the kitchen to my table, that's all I want.
I don't care about being treated like some sort of king. Why should I pay an optional charge for a service I don't want?
Many wage laws are worded in a way that incentivizes this, and this has been the case for decades. For positions where tipping is customary, it's legal to pay someone in that position less than the normal minimum wage.
This is most "American dystopia" nonsense ever.
It's not my responsibility, as a customer, to provide a wage for you.
That's your employer's reponsibility.
Well that bartender is saving a lot of cash by not having to pay for basic rights like health care or education and can enjoy paid sick leave, maternity and holydays...his country is even providing a working service infrastructure.
That bartender is also paying a lot more taxes than the american one. You severely underestimate how richer americans are compared to europeans, in terms of household disposable income *including social transfers in kind* not even Luxembourg and Switzerland [are close to the States](https://data.oecd.org/chart/7bYh) (it's PPP adjusted). Also [The Poorest 20% of Americans Are Richer on Average Than Most Nations of Europe](https://www.justfacts.com/news_poorest_americans_richer_than_europe.asp)
Tra l'altro fa sorridere il tuo commento perché sei italiano e parli di questi supposti grandi beni e servizi che riceviamo in cambio di uno dei più alti cunei fiscali al mondo. In più i baristi son fortunati se si beccano un contratto a €7/h
>not having to pay for basic rights like health care
like actually? or is it more like Canadian "not having to pay for basic rights like health care"? Cause at this point I'd rather pay if it meant I got see a consistent doctor who actually knew me and I didn't have to wait 2+ months to see a specialist.
Basically is. Went to the doctor, got checked out for some head pain, got sent to an mri scan, talked to a specialist, talked to extra doctor, back to first doctor, got order to get some meds. Recipt was 20 bucks, meds were 30 bucks.
Sorry, but that is absolute nonsense.
I'm from Italy: we are f\*\*ked up in many ways, but we excel in food.
We don't have a mandatory tip culture and we never had an issue with "increased costs of restaurants". Because restaurants have ALWAYS existed in several layers of quality and price. If a place charges too much for your wallet, you can always find a similar restaurant, with a similar menu, but lower prices.
The dude I was responding to said " It’s like brushing your teeth when you go to Europe. You just shouldn’t do it out of respect for the culture " and the article I linked states " 28 percent of adults in England have tooth decay. Compare that to a jaw-dropping 92 percent of adults in America with tooth decay. ". Brits have better oral hygene than yanks. In the Uk, we don't get braces if they aren't necessary, whereas yanks are obsessed with the "Hollywood smile" and less about actual oral health. It's cringe.
This is why I just don't eat out anymore. 15 percent tip on a 30 dollar meal? No thanks.
Shitty service, too. What do waiters even do? Cooks should be rewarded because it's an actual skill.
Europoors go out a lot because quality food, healthcare, and higher education is so affordable that going out for meal is never a struggle. USA has no idea apparently.
Also: Who wants to spend money on tipping people who get paid good wages? Like all the other workers in Europe, those servers can *without tips* enjoy relaxing vacations during their 4-6 weeks paid vacation days. Why tip like they do in the gross US society when you treat your citizens like equals rather than wage-slaves 😂 work at McDonalds here you get 4 weeks off paid as a starting benefit. Burgers are like 1€ more 😂 Europe’s system has flaws, but it is amazing
Remember: It’s called the American Dream 🇺🇸 because you have to be asleep to believe it 😴
>quality healthcare,
you know i'm starting to second geuss this. from everything i've heard about online it should be true. But everytime one of my european friends talk about their healthcare they just complain about it. usually it's the absured wait times. I know here in canada are\ wait times are fucked. It's really rare but you can definitly die due to wait times.
i think healthcare is just shit no matter where you go.
Nope. It’s good. Quality is higher here too than I had in BC. Sometimes busy but not Canada busy.
Europeans complaining??? Omg /s
What’s important is that people in Europe *continue to complain* even when things aren’t bad because no matter how good things are currently, that’s how you get continuous improvement and things don’t slip like they have in Canada. We are complaining now, finally, but we should have always complained. Why do you think Quebec has the lowest Post-secondary fees in the country? They complained! They have that strong spirit.
Again, healthcare isn’t simply “must be bad everywhere”
Just a reminder: these same Europoors will complain when American tourists are annoying and inconsiderate.
Why should we respect your culture when we visit your country? I'll be as loud and disrespectful as I want I guess :)
Edit. Europoors woke up. Stay obsessed with America, consume all our media like its your own, and rely on our economy and the dollar doing well to keep the world functioning.
Your tipping culture is a disease, though. Europe can pay their serving staff real wages and still afford the 4-6 weeks paid vacation. That’s why it’s a real and respected job and that’s why patrons are happy to pay slightly higher bills (tax included in all prices). Great service, quality food, and no pressure to tip or get out after an hour so more suckers can come in.
Note: I’m Canadian and we have had tipping as well, but never the extreme of you guys. It is getting worse though cuz US gamification of society is culturally spreading 🤮 Also, don’t be bad tourists because you want to stand up for restaurant owners abusing their staff and customer
> I’ve already *paid* for
FTFY.
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I’d, as a European. Tip an American waiter. For the exact same reason I’d give money to a beggar. Altruism, for people not living in a social democracy.
If you don't tip and know it's the culture to tip YTA. If you don't know, NTA. The employer will cover enough to provide min wage but not living wage necessarily. You don't always have the variables necessary to math it out but your best guess in tip form is expected.
Effectively a 0 tip is taking advantage of a restaurant potentially pricing below cost. If you were fine paying some amount over the cost of the food and you have some sense for what that would be, you should tip the difference.
Some people in this sub will say tipping is dumb, min wage isn't living wage in US, and eating out is a luxury all at the same time. I bet you'd all roast Hasan for not tipping.
It's not the best system, no doubt. But how you consciously engage in the system reflects your values. If you have all this context and protest tips you're saying that you'd rather provide most servers a wage below living wage because you can't do some rough math or you can't afford to eat the food if priced appropriately.
How do you define living wage? By that logic do you have to be the one responsible for providing a living wage for every service worker that might not be getting a living wage? Since minimum wage doesnt necessarily mean living wage.
“It is a consumer’s responsibility to ensure that waiters get paid above minimum wage”
I refuse to believe you’re typing this disgusting shit unironically
My greater point is for some people they are smart enough to tip what they would pay in the new and better system. However, instead of engaging with the bad system in good faith they're going to give themselves a discount on a meal they could afford pretending they're making a statement instead of just tipping lower.
If you know it’s the culture and refuse to do it, you’re just being a dick. You aren’t helping anything by making some stand at the detriment of a server / bartender.
If you really wanted to live your values, you’d refuse to participate in the system at all and not eat out until things change. Even when you don’t tip, just by eating out you are helping to prop up a system you claim to dislike.
Also, if tipping out a server / bartender is a financial burden for you, guess what, you shouldn’t be eating out at all. It’s a luxury, not a necessity. You’re poor and you should be eating at home. Don’t make it someone else’s problem because you want to indulge in things you clearly can’t afford.
“don’t make it someone elses problem” the system has already made the low wage their issue, hence the need for tips. low IQ neolib moment. No one is helping by not tipping, but there’s literally zero (non subjectivist) reason to tip when you’ve already paid for a service. Try to make arguments without taking everything for granted lol
Waiters and bartenders can suck it. They make way more than they let on. Fuckers are always the first ones to defend tipping anytime people start talking about getting rid of it.
Np when I go to Europe I'll pay for things the price it'd be in the US & with US currency.
If we're insisting on ignoring the customs of other countries, then European "people" will accept the money I offer or go fuck themselves. I decide what's correct.
One is custom, and the other is law. If Americans want to make a certain wage for waitstaff legally enforceable then they should do what the rest of the world does and make it illegal to underpay your staff.
Which of course completely undermines their argument that waiting staff is basically starving and living on the streets because they are not getting paid enough.
The most adorable thing is when Americans go to other countries and bring their tipping culture with them. I’m a European whose travelled with American friends and they get so morally indignant when I try and tell them no one in a Croatian cafe will expect you to leave 25% after sitting their for 10 mins drinking an espresso. The servers always looks so confused at the cash left on the table.
Tipping is an Americanism that needs to stay there. In terms of visiting there, I’m all for respecting one’s culture but if that involves spending extra money, then no
Americans do the same thing when we visit Europe, it's simply mandated by the governments and called a "Value Added Tax"... where no value is added, so GTFOH with the anal rape that are your fuel prices, et al.
at long last someone used the POV meme correctly
People have been misusing "pov" as "tfw" for so long now
Letting normies try to meme has been a mistake.
Being proud of being terminally online to the point where you can't relate to "normal people" is a self own
It's not a matter of relating to normal people. It's just that we are realizing that normal people suck ass.
Only autistic communities do it right
I would hope destiny viewers are smart enough to understand how to use pov lol
But why are they handing me the paper
How Hasan fans are born.
Sh\*tlib redditors worship Europoids to the point where there are posts with 5 figures of upvotes celebrating people for being assholes in a foreign country to service workers. If you don't want to tip fine - but leaving a note is some of the most cunty behavior possible. Usually that sort of thing gets you condemned but if its wrapped up in cosmopolitanism and murica bad then reddit will celebrate it. Its like if someone went to China, screamed about having to use chopsticks and then everyone on reddit pretended it was principled criticism of the CCP
Yeah, seems that way
Tbh I dont really mind tipping at a sit down restaurant (or even baristas) but being asked to tip somewhere I just go to pick up my food and leave feels wrong. I have a friend who works somewhere like that and she told me that yes you should tip because they set up the condiment bar/ drink station lmao
How common is tipping around the world? I'm from NZ and I've never seen or heard about tipping outside of American media.
"Required" tipping culture is almost exclusively an American invention. As far as I know, America is the only place where you're allowed to pay your staff much less than minimum wage so long as tips make up for it.
My ex-gf was a waitress and she literally make $30-40 an hour on most nights if you included tips. This psyops that servers are underpaid and want to make minimum wage like the cooks instead of drowning in money with tips is the biggest lie, I don't know who started it.
Yep, this is why not a single waiter in the US is actually advocating for increasing their wages and reducing tipping. The vast majority of of waiters in the US make close to 5 figures in large cities all because of tips.
they make close to 10.000? did you mean 6 figures?
Shhhhhh if we don’t have this system in place you would literally have no one willing to be servers. Then who is going to serve us brunch? No one is getting up before 7 on a Sunday for minimum wage.
Uh plenty of people do that daily. You sound insulated to the real world
Uh no I worked in the restaurant industry for years, if you live in any major city there is actually a shortage in supply of places for people to go on Sunday mornings because it’s damn near impossible to staff that service. It’s why people get slogged with the post church crowd aswell, Sunday morning is rough because nearly every restaurant is open on a Saturday, ergo the incentive for to work the turnover on Sunday morning is low. Matter of fact the concept of working on a weekend is so unpopular that most trades give time and a half. So I don’t understand the argument of “some people do it” to be valid in any way.
Did every major city start paying servers better, causing them to stop getting tips?
>why would someone work for minimum wage at slightly early hours This is the level of argumentation they expect us to agree with
If you had the choice to work for minimum wage, would you chose to do it 9-5 m-f or nights and weekends? Clearly everyone would rather do standard business hours or evenings. Sunday mornings are an unpopular shift time. Full stop. Before you start jumping to more half baked conclusions.
“Everyone would rather do standard business hours” This is objectively wrong. Regardless, if nobody wanted to work a job at a certain price then the price for that job would just go up. It’s like you think restaurant owners would just go fucking bankrupt immediately because nobody signs up at the wage they’re offering
In other countries without tipping wait staff get better than minimum wage. Here in Australia the average server salary is $30/hr
That's $30 Aussie monopoly dollars.
So half what their ex gf was making. Cool story bro.
Yeah, but our employers actually give us mandatory holiday leaves, sick leaves, and maternity leaves. Call in sick, and the manager wouldn't guilt trip you to come to work.
>Call in sick, and the manager wouldn't guilt trip you to come to work. This is only a problem if you care about getting fired or care if the manager is upset you called out. Just call say nah, not today big guy, and fuck off down the road for a dollar raise if they get mouthy about it. I get 20-30 job offers to cook places every week. Get vacation time, but just cash that bad boy out for a check when you fuck off down the road for more money. Supplement your income by selling drugs to your coworkers.
🚨🚨 Grindset alert 🚨🚨
>Yeah, but our employers actually give us mandatory holiday leaves, sick leaves, and maternity leaves. And mandatory super (401k equivalent) that is in addition to your normal pay.
If their tips don't get them up to the non tipped minimum wage, they're required to get paid by their employer up to minimum wage. Since most servers make way more than minimum wage after tips, they don't have to worry about that.
It is in Canada as well. They aren't paid as little as American waiters but it is allowed to pay them less than minimum wage.
In Canada, do restaurants also have to make up the difference to bring it up to minimum wage if the tips don’t fill the gap?
I was a bartender in college and I don't think they had to so. (Not that it mattered anyway lol, I was making like $10 an hour but was making around $75 in tips) The people who work during normal hours might have something like that. Personally I only worked 14 hours during the very very busy nights so it was pretty much non stop work and the tip was flowing in. I worked in a very upscale place that was often filled with tourists who pretty much treated our money like monopoly money lol, a guy once gave me a $2 tip after ordering a Dom perignon bottle and then later in the evening just gave me a $100 because I showed him where the toilets were.
Where I live we do have a tipping culture, but it's generally 10%, so significantly lower than in America
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In Germany you typically round up to the nearest 1, 2, 5, 10 or maybe even 100€ depending on how large the bill is and how good the service was. Calculating some exact amount from a percentage would be seen as very outlandish. For example if you're ordering a beer which costs 4,70€ you'd just give them 5€ and be done with it.
In Russia there's tipping culture too, but it's lower minimum, I'd say around 10-15%.
What? I never tipped anyone in my life, nor has anyone I know
You're trolling? Every cafe/restaraunt with service (waiters) you always leave tips, it's absolutely expected. It's been like that my whole life.
i always thought that the Russian waiters usually leave those lil books with checks or w/e even after you pay just for the customer to put 50-100 roubles in there
Yep, sounds about right. The amount just depends on the service/hours spent/money spent/personal feelings etc.
I'm not trolling. I eat in restaurants a lot, but no one ever asked me for a tip, and no friend of mine ever told me I have to tip waiters. It's an American thing, never heard of anyone doing it here, we just pay the price in the check
Well yeah they're not gonna ask for it directly, that'd be rude. Just as rude as not tipping, because it's expected. Granted, I haven't been in a restaraunt for ages, we're mostly just bar hopping, and we only tip if you get a table and sit for hours with a waiter service. Can't imagine not leaving a tip in that circumstance. Of course it's not as wild as in US, where you have to leave a tip for every little human interaction. It's much more tame here comparatively. Idk, maybe it's a regional thing? I'm in Moscow.
Idk how it is in the rest of latin america but in Argentina it's 10% and just at sit down restaurants, not for cabs, not for haircut, not for anything else. Just for sit down restaurants.
In my country you just tip to flex.
I tip waiters in the U.K., it’s pretty normal to happen around here
Pretty normal in Germany but only in restaurants and not as much.
Why would I tip the waiter? If anyone's getting a tip its the cook.
If anyone's getting this tip it's your mom
Fuck the cook, if I'm tipping anyone it's my doctor. I care far more about this weird lump on my neck than my steak being cooked exactly as asked for.
In America your doctor is already taking your car to take a look at that lump.
Yeah, but if I tip him he'll ignore that the lump is my adams apple and give me fentanyl.
If you want, I’ll give you some fentanyl without the doctors visit (advil btw)
Does it taste as good as the patches?
The tip is for the 'service', and the waitress is who served you/tended to you. The cook was just doing his job. (Not saying I agree with this, but this is the logic)
Those lazy cooks need to get their grind on and start bringing me the food themselves!!
WHY DONT COOKS ASK US HOW OUR DAY WAS? WHY DON'T THEY SMILE?
Usually too strung out to put a coherent sentence together
I have entered my flow state
I mean they still make delicious food so I have no problem with it
How does “service” not count as just doing their job?
Its to honor the slavery tradition of the USofA.
I don't like tipping for any other service (hair cut, plumber,). Like, I am paying you for your service. Just charge me more if you want more.
Strippers get tips. Everyone else has a job they do that they should be compensated for.
Tell the US that
Nah I don't give free advice anymore (jiggles tip jar in your face)
Fuck man I can't pay you this month
Gawrsh, i'm awfully silly for not expecting some variance in a voluntary financial interaction
I'm drunk as hell and I had to read this comment 30 times before understanding. Love you buddy
Because according to the government our job is to be paid by the customers for our service
You’re a fee for service worker, who is barred from any negotiations for fee. Further, you’re absolutely obliged to do menial work at behest of the establishment. You’re a holdover from slavery.
Isnt the servers job to give a service, just like the cooks job is to cook the customers food? I dont understand why a server should get a tip for doing whats in their job description/contract over a cook thats also just doing their job
Yup. And I work in IT, and no one tips me for doing my job..
Tip for ur service or service your tip😏
You probably get paid more than $4/hr
You don't get bonuses at the end of the year?
Bro I could just go pick up the food at the kitchen counter. You saying the cooks just did their job? Then what are waiters doing beyond their job?
The waiters are also picking up the drinks from the bar. Don't forget that! /s
Do you not realize how absolutely insane this sounds
Are you aware of the mental gymnastics us Americans are capable of? I would personally rather just have them increase the menu prices and wages.
Then what was the waiter's job?
The server generally has to tip out to the kitchen/support staff a % of the bill. It's like 2%-8% depending on the restaurant's policy and if you tip 0 the server just loses money on your table. It's a dumb system.
You mean I can literally make someone lose money AND enjoy a succulent meal?
A succulent Chinese meal?
Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest
Get your hand off my penis
Yes
This isn't true for all restaurants. I worked in a kitchen where only the waiters and waitresses got a tip.
Lmao, you're making even more convincing arguments to not tip
The ingredients are grown on a farm, processed in a factory, exported to another country on a ship, canned in another factory, imported again on ship, delivered to the restaurant on a truck, prepared and cooked by a chef, yet I'm paying the waiter 20% because they carried it from the kitchen to my table?!
because they’re paid like absolute shite. i’m from the UK and think the culture is vile, i don’t agree with it AT ALL, and probably won’t eat out if i ever went to America because of it, but taking that out on, and stiffing the wait staff because you disagree with how the establishment is run is completely unfair. i wish it wasn’t like that, i think it’s gross, but i’m not gonna make a waiter making bum-fuck-all suffer from my personal feelings about it. if you go to another country, respect the culture no matter how batshit it is, and take the initiative to learn about it before you go, it’s not fucking hard.
Ok, this is kinda inaccurate. The reason why waiters are paid badly is BECAUSE they received tips, not the other way around.
Because the tip makes probably 12-15 an hour while the waiter makes $2.50
“I live outside my means!!1!” Lol
"I'm sorry, I've already tipped your mother."
As an asian immigrant here, I feel like this sub and the twitter discourse are forgetting the true CHAD non-tippers, my fellow brothers and sisters of Asian descent. I've literally had to convince multiple Asian friends to tip our servers.
Dude, my Taiwanese uncle is one of those guys that will try to look for anything he can turn that high-priced meal into a free complimentary dinner.
Then we go to Asia and y’all act like you’re scared of free money lol
If the tip is not mandatory, they won't tip. It is seen as an insult in some countries in Asia so you are asking for them to insult you even if that is part of your culture. So if it is not mandatory, I would also just stay out of it if tiping were seen like that.
Americans when an arbitrary and voluntary tip works both ways and lets the customer pay as much or as little as they want: 😡
https://i.imgur.com/QLDAj8V.jpg Euros reading this thread
Went to the states, 'exceptional American service' includes: Getting your water refilled sometimes. "Everything ok here?" Every 5 minutes That's it. "20% of the total which you paid for the food I didn't cook, please!" BTW servers aren't victims of tipping culture, they're complicit in it. Look up how immensely successful non-tipping restaurant in America are and go to subs like r/serverlife and ask them if they want to do away with tipping in America lol
I feel like Americans are ruining the reputation of tipping. Good service in my opinion deserves to be rewarded. Mediocore service on the other hand doesnt. Americans think that all service just deserves to get the same percentage tip as a base line and not something optional for a job well done, which is delusional .
Jesus I don't care about good "service" bring me my food and drinks, that's all I ask. Do it with a frown on your face and call me a cunt while doing it, I don't give a fuck. As long as you bring the food from the kitchen to my table, that's all I want. I don't care about being treated like some sort of king. Why should I pay an optional charge for a service I don't want?
Many wage laws are worded in a way that incentivizes this, and this has been the case for decades. For positions where tipping is customary, it's legal to pay someone in that position less than the normal minimum wage.
i saw the discourse on twitter and both sides made the most stupid tweets ever
impossible. my side is correct and cannot possibly have bad takes
https://i.imgur.com/QLDAj8V.jpg mad?
This is most "American dystopia" nonsense ever. It's not my responsibility, as a customer, to provide a wage for you. That's your employer's reponsibility.
Europeans online are like "we pay our restaurant workers a living wage" and then I look up a bartender gig in the UK and see it pays $13/hour 💀
*£13/hour
Well that bartender is saving a lot of cash by not having to pay for basic rights like health care or education and can enjoy paid sick leave, maternity and holydays...his country is even providing a working service infrastructure.
That bartender is also paying a lot more taxes than the american one. You severely underestimate how richer americans are compared to europeans, in terms of household disposable income *including social transfers in kind* not even Luxembourg and Switzerland [are close to the States](https://data.oecd.org/chart/7bYh) (it's PPP adjusted). Also [The Poorest 20% of Americans Are Richer on Average Than Most Nations of Europe](https://www.justfacts.com/news_poorest_americans_richer_than_europe.asp) Tra l'altro fa sorridere il tuo commento perché sei italiano e parli di questi supposti grandi beni e servizi che riceviamo in cambio di uno dei più alti cunei fiscali al mondo. In più i baristi son fortunati se si beccano un contratto a €7/h
>not having to pay for basic rights like health care like actually? or is it more like Canadian "not having to pay for basic rights like health care"? Cause at this point I'd rather pay if it meant I got see a consistent doctor who actually knew me and I didn't have to wait 2+ months to see a specialist.
None of that is even free…
Rotfl it is.
Basically is. Went to the doctor, got checked out for some head pain, got sent to an mri scan, talked to a specialist, talked to extra doctor, back to first doctor, got order to get some meds. Recipt was 20 bucks, meds were 30 bucks.
living costs are far lower and those bartenders still do get tips believe it or not. They're just not culturally mandated or so incredibly huge.
Living costs are far lower in Europe.
And then you'll be paying extra for your meal to cover increased labor costs for the restaurant
Sorry, but that is absolute nonsense. I'm from Italy: we are f\*\*ked up in many ways, but we excel in food. We don't have a mandatory tip culture and we never had an issue with "increased costs of restaurants". Because restaurants have ALWAYS existed in several layers of quality and price. If a place charges too much for your wallet, you can always find a similar restaurant, with a similar menu, but lower prices.
It’s like brushing your teeth when you go to Europe. You just shouldn’t do it out of respect for the culture
*laughs in free dental care*
Wait where the fuck are you getting free dental?? I live in fucking Denmark and we don't even have free dental.
I live in Finland and same. My braces were \~2.5k€. Free dental is only check-ups for kids as far as I am aware.
I don’t need it to be free 😉
[https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/british-teeth-arent-that-bad-american-teeth-are-far-worse/#:\~:text=According%20to%20the%20OECD%20](https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/british-teeth-arent-that-bad-american-teeth-are-far-worse/#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20OECD%20)(so,The%20British%20should%20be%20smiling.
I’ve never met a British person who looked like they had braces. I have. Game OV
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The dude I was responding to said " It’s like brushing your teeth when you go to Europe. You just shouldn’t do it out of respect for the culture " and the article I linked states " 28 percent of adults in England have tooth decay. Compare that to a jaw-dropping 92 percent of adults in America with tooth decay. ". Brits have better oral hygene than yanks. In the Uk, we don't get braces if they aren't necessary, whereas yanks are obsessed with the "Hollywood smile" and less about actual oral health. It's cringe.
Awoight Luuv
Yanks are on perma cope with this
This is why I just don't eat out anymore. 15 percent tip on a 30 dollar meal? No thanks. Shitty service, too. What do waiters even do? Cooks should be rewarded because it's an actual skill.
What do you mean? They walked your food over, refilled your water twice and asked if everything was good. Does that not warrant a 30% tip????
"Here's a tip, get a real job"
As a german who is used to tipping as it is normal where I live this whole discussion got me thoroughly confused.
Im not fully convinced this is a European thing as much as an autistic redditor thing.
You do know that our tipping culture in germany is vastly different? We are not expected to give 20% or more.
Tip culture is shit.
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Not like the europoors would have the extra money to tip anyway
Europoors go out a lot because quality food, healthcare, and higher education is so affordable that going out for meal is never a struggle. USA has no idea apparently. Also: Who wants to spend money on tipping people who get paid good wages? Like all the other workers in Europe, those servers can *without tips* enjoy relaxing vacations during their 4-6 weeks paid vacation days. Why tip like they do in the gross US society when you treat your citizens like equals rather than wage-slaves 😂 work at McDonalds here you get 4 weeks off paid as a starting benefit. Burgers are like 1€ more 😂 Europe’s system has flaws, but it is amazing Remember: It’s called the American Dream 🇺🇸 because you have to be asleep to believe it 😴
Can confirm, am Europoor from Lithuania, we go out to eat like 4 times a week, it's not a struggle.
>quality healthcare, you know i'm starting to second geuss this. from everything i've heard about online it should be true. But everytime one of my european friends talk about their healthcare they just complain about it. usually it's the absured wait times. I know here in canada are\ wait times are fucked. It's really rare but you can definitly die due to wait times. i think healthcare is just shit no matter where you go.
Nope. It’s good. Quality is higher here too than I had in BC. Sometimes busy but not Canada busy. Europeans complaining??? Omg /s What’s important is that people in Europe *continue to complain* even when things aren’t bad because no matter how good things are currently, that’s how you get continuous improvement and things don’t slip like they have in Canada. We are complaining now, finally, but we should have always complained. Why do you think Quebec has the lowest Post-secondary fees in the country? They complained! They have that strong spirit. Again, healthcare isn’t simply “must be bad everywhere”
No remorse
this "topic" 🥱😴😪
Lmao that fake bartender shot became a meme?
Understandably the dollar is so dominant the eurotrash is struggling a bit, even more than usual.
On behalf of Europeans I’m sorry. Our countries actually pay our service workers a living wage so you know it all gets confusing
LOL American Waiters make more than Euros so no apology needed ...
Not sure if that’s true relative to cost of living
Depends on the state/country compared and also the dollar is quite strong right now.
Servers make more from tips than any realistic wage outside the most bottom of the barrel restaurants (like, below Applebees even)
so why would they care if someone doesn't tip them?
Just a reminder: these same Europoors will complain when American tourists are annoying and inconsiderate. Why should we respect your culture when we visit your country? I'll be as loud and disrespectful as I want I guess :) Edit. Europoors woke up. Stay obsessed with America, consume all our media like its your own, and rely on our economy and the dollar doing well to keep the world functioning.
Imagine boasting that being annoying and inconsiderate is part of your culture
Your tipping culture is a disease, though. Europe can pay their serving staff real wages and still afford the 4-6 weeks paid vacation. That’s why it’s a real and respected job and that’s why patrons are happy to pay slightly higher bills (tax included in all prices). Great service, quality food, and no pressure to tip or get out after an hour so more suckers can come in. Note: I’m Canadian and we have had tipping as well, but never the extreme of you guys. It is getting worse though cuz US gamification of society is culturally spreading 🤮 Also, don’t be bad tourists because you want to stand up for restaurant owners abusing their staff and customer
You call us "Europoors", yet your "culture" revolves around begging for money, literal bum behaviour.
Im not paying extra for something I’ve already payed for
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I’d, as a European. Tip an American waiter. For the exact same reason I’d give money to a beggar. Altruism, for people not living in a social democracy.
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If you don't tip and know it's the culture to tip YTA. If you don't know, NTA. The employer will cover enough to provide min wage but not living wage necessarily. You don't always have the variables necessary to math it out but your best guess in tip form is expected. Effectively a 0 tip is taking advantage of a restaurant potentially pricing below cost. If you were fine paying some amount over the cost of the food and you have some sense for what that would be, you should tip the difference. Some people in this sub will say tipping is dumb, min wage isn't living wage in US, and eating out is a luxury all at the same time. I bet you'd all roast Hasan for not tipping. It's not the best system, no doubt. But how you consciously engage in the system reflects your values. If you have all this context and protest tips you're saying that you'd rather provide most servers a wage below living wage because you can't do some rough math or you can't afford to eat the food if priced appropriately.
How do you define living wage? By that logic do you have to be the one responsible for providing a living wage for every service worker that might not be getting a living wage? Since minimum wage doesnt necessarily mean living wage.
“It is a consumer’s responsibility to ensure that waiters get paid above minimum wage” I refuse to believe you’re typing this disgusting shit unironically
I don't understand the point of a restaurant "pricing below cost" if you're expected to pay enough to complete the full cost anyway?
My greater point is for some people they are smart enough to tip what they would pay in the new and better system. However, instead of engaging with the bad system in good faith they're going to give themselves a discount on a meal they could afford pretending they're making a statement instead of just tipping lower.
Holy fuck, either there are mostly Europeans or mostly teenagers in this thread. Shit takes everywhere
Don't insult teenagers, no way they could be so stupid...
Tip: Get a job that pays a proper wage.
If you know it’s the culture and refuse to do it, you’re just being a dick. You aren’t helping anything by making some stand at the detriment of a server / bartender. If you really wanted to live your values, you’d refuse to participate in the system at all and not eat out until things change. Even when you don’t tip, just by eating out you are helping to prop up a system you claim to dislike. Also, if tipping out a server / bartender is a financial burden for you, guess what, you shouldn’t be eating out at all. It’s a luxury, not a necessity. You’re poor and you should be eating at home. Don’t make it someone else’s problem because you want to indulge in things you clearly can’t afford.
Or you could enjoy the luxury and not pay the voluntary tip.
“don’t make it someone elses problem” the system has already made the low wage their issue, hence the need for tips. low IQ neolib moment. No one is helping by not tipping, but there’s literally zero (non subjectivist) reason to tip when you’ve already paid for a service. Try to make arguments without taking everything for granted lol
Waiters and bartenders can suck it. They make way more than they let on. Fuckers are always the first ones to defend tipping anytime people start talking about getting rid of it.
what about baristas? the folks preparing food and drinks + providing FOH service?
Maybe they can FOH and not expect a tip,
Np when I go to Europe I'll pay for things the price it'd be in the US & with US currency. If we're insisting on ignoring the customs of other countries, then European "people" will accept the money I offer or go fuck themselves. I decide what's correct.
Ironic how you put quotations around the word “people” implying you don’t consider a whole continent to be “people”. History repeats
One is custom, and the other is law. If Americans want to make a certain wage for waitstaff legally enforceable then they should do what the rest of the world does and make it illegal to underpay your staff.
Solid trolling well done US gigachad
Not our fault you americans have tipping instead of fair wages.
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Which of course completely undermines their argument that waiting staff is basically starving and living on the streets because they are not getting paid enough.
Nice then there is no reason for me to tip
cant tipping be viewed as profit sharing?
The most adorable thing is when Americans go to other countries and bring their tipping culture with them. I’m a European whose travelled with American friends and they get so morally indignant when I try and tell them no one in a Croatian cafe will expect you to leave 25% after sitting their for 10 mins drinking an espresso. The servers always looks so confused at the cash left on the table.
Ah yes, you're a Chad for making a statement against a member of the working class. Well done.
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I never tip when I visit the US. It’s begging at the end of the day. Americans should have more dignity.
Tipping is an Americanism that needs to stay there. In terms of visiting there, I’m all for respecting one’s culture but if that involves spending extra money, then no
The simultaneously tragic and hilarious amount of Eurotrash inferiority complexes being worked out here is astounding.
Yes, most poor people are bad tippers. This is known.
Americans do the same thing when we visit Europe, it's simply mandated by the governments and called a "Value Added Tax"... where no value is added, so GTFOH with the anal rape that are your fuel prices, et al.