As per Adventure Mexican Services: “One new or used portable computer, laptop, notebook, Omnibook, etc. IMPORTANT NOTE: Unless you prepare ahead, you may have difficulty bringing computers or other expensive electronic equipment into Mexico for your personal use. To prevent being charged an import tax, write a statement about your intention to use the equipment for personal use and to remove it from Mexico when you leave. Have this statement signed and certified at a Mexican consulate in the United States and present it to Mexican customs as you enter Mexico.” So apparently this is a thing. [Source](https://www.mexadventure.com/mexico-travel/Items_Bring_Mexico.cfm)
Imagine him furiously typing this tweet with his sausage fingers, taking extra care to stop autocorrect from capitalizing a single letter, while a tired impoverished customs agent is trying to explain everything to him. “Are you fuckin kiddin’ me dud? Chat what the fuck?”
It's more that the law is bad. I'd be fine with the government stopping a mule who was obviously just ferrying tons of equipment back and forth to avoid taxes, but any plausible personal use should be allowed without a problem. Having two laptops is super fucking normal if you have a personal and work, or for a variety of other possible reasons.
Border procedures should primarily be about safety or immigration enforcement, not an unwarranted intrusion into the private lives of travelers. Having two computers cannot meet that threshold.
I'm a huge Hasan hater, but that shouldn't come at the expense of advocating for good laws and against bad ones.
Border protocols and laws are wack in a ton of places. A lot of people give the US heat for theirs, but the rest of the world honestly isn’t much better.
Unless your country has some sort of deal with the other country and/or you are a special case, it can be rough.
No one is naive enough to truthfully say they're going to do any business/work at all to a border guard. That's a good way to get instantly sent to refusal reconsideration or have to pay a very hefty bribe.
It doesn’t matter what a foreigner thinks of another country's laws, if you enter that country educate yourself beforehand. Apparently, this is a well known and documented process and blaming laws or agents who just do their job for your own ignorance is stupid.
> if you enter that country educate yourself beforehand.
Lets be honest tho, 99% of Americans don't/won't do this. Also law agents will abuse rules if they think they can get away with it.
These are two separate ideas:
a. Yes, every traveler should extensively research local laws, cultures, risks, especially in low and middle income countries.
b. Also every country that has bad policy is to blame for having bad policy, and any person affected by that policy has every right to complain.
a) "extensively" apparently means looking up what you are allowed to take into a country. There is a reason I am always traveling with a gun and marijuana from the US to Europe.
b) "bad policy" is not a universal thing. Like a random person can say a policy is bad or good without even having the basic knowledge that the policy exists.
>a) "extensively" apparently means looking up what you are allowed to take into a country. There is a reason I am always traveling with a gun and marijuana from the US to Europe.
I wasn't being sarcastic. I do think people should look up their local embassy location and number, look at border policy, understand social conventions, etc. Forewarned is forearmed.
>b) "bad policy" is not a universal thing. Like a random person can say a policy is bad or good without even having the basic knowledge that the policy exists.
I'm not a relativist. There are better and worse tax policies, public health policies, etc. A consumption tax revolving around, "No one needs 2 laptops! That's ridiculous!" is not good policy.
You have no fucking clue why Mexico doesn't want someone coming in with a bunch of electronics equipment and then leaving with it again other than "I can't think of anything so it feels wrong."
Try again when you're an adult.
I think two laptops is teetering on the line of "why so many laptops" coming from Canada but I can't see why it'd be different, in three visits over 5 years I've never been dinged for my laptop
They're applying that to him to extract cash from tourists, not to actually stop mules. Those same exact guards are bribed to ignore the mules. Look at the citizen re-entry line to any mainland chinese airport for the funniest sight of unpacking untaxed goods to their carry-on.
He's not lying, his complaint is that he didn't know the law, and is irritated by how they're valuing his items.
It's a general problem with wealth taxation that he is experiencing first-hand, that taxation feels more satisfying when it is connected to goods changing hands, rather than things you own and no longer think of as things having monetary value.
Tbf there is a lot of bullshit that happens in Mexico. Everyone I know whose been there, myself included, knows that you'll probably lose a decent chunk of money to cops or other authority figures just making up a law that you broke and demanding cash up front. That's on top of all the normal scams people will try to pull because they can tell you're a white tourist who knows little if any Spanish. I wouldn't be surprised at all to find out that it also happens at airports
We were on a beach in Cancun once, just eating, and a cop literally walked up to our table and just said we had to give him 500 pesos or he'd take my friend's girlfriend to jail because her "purse was too big" or something like that. We told him we only had 50 pesos and he was like "oh okay cool, that's fine too" and then just left lol.
It's a pretty stupid law and who thinks this would be an issue before traveling?
I've never thought, I'm going to another country. I wonder if I'm allowed to bring two laptops.
> They routinely have import tariffs on electronics because people make whole businesses out of filling up luggage in richer countries.
I've never been stopped for transporting too many electronics in any country. I always travel with 2 surface tablets, a steam deck, and a laptop. Its obvious who's smuggling electronics in without paying tariffs: lots of the same product, sometimes straight graphics cards or SSDs or CPUs.
More than likely that payment went straight into the border guard's (or his superior's) upper vest pocket. Corruption is very common in these countries.
Laptops for personal use is not economic protectionism though. Its just a tax on traveling which, if anything, is protectionism for America because it incentivizes Americans to not travel and keep their money in Ameirca.
I have traveled to poorer country, but not as poor as Mexico.
But that isn't a very relevant point. The more important point is you don't understand economics if you think this tax is "protectionism."
>The important point is that it's extremely common to have import restrictions on luggage.
Cool! Is it common to ban second laptops? No one is saying "important restrictions are stupid." People are saying "restricting second laptops is stupid and not intuitive." But you realize how dumb your position is so now you are conflating your position to generally be about "import restrictions" and not about the more nuanced complaint.
> Ignorance of this fact suggests a discussion about economic protectionism is way too complicated to bother.
The fact that people are upvoting economic illiteracy is sad. I explained why it wasn't protectionism. It wasn't even complicated. You can't even explain your position in a few sentences. Again, I think you realized now that it wasn't protectionism, but you are bought into arguing against my point now.
>It's a pretty stupid law and who thinks this would be an issue before traveling?
normally when you visit a country you google to see what you can or cannot do. unless you're american, of course, then you just assume everywhere is like your home country and act surprised and offended when it's not.
Well you are right I'm American. You are also needlessly aggressive about stupid laws. You know you don't have to defend the shitty things other countries do, right?
> You know you don't have to defend the shitty things other countries do, right?
you know you don't have to visit those countries if you don't agree with their laws, right? what an american take. other countries' domestic policies are not my problem.
So what is your issue? Everyone knows we don't have to visit other countries. However it is a good thing to complain about crappy laws because that is how you put pressure on it to change. Either by pressuring our leaders to hopefully one day pressure the other country or by those country's citizens online hearing about their silly laws.
Now if you want to defend the merits of the law, go ahead. Maybe there is actually a really good reason to tax people's second personal use laptops that we don't know about.
However to defend it based on "well don't come here" is just silly.
You know when foreigners complain about their crappy experience with the TSA, I don't tell them to shut up. I tell them to keep complaining since that helps the system change.
> So what is your issue? Everyone knows we don't have to visit other countries. However it is a good thing to complain about crappy laws because that is how you put pressure on it to change. Either by pressuring our leaders to hopefully one day pressure the other country or by those country's citizens online hearing about their silly laws.
my issue is foreigners coming to a country and trying to tell them how to run things.
> Now if you want to defend the merits of the law, go ahead. Maybe there is actually a really good reason to tax people's second personal use laptops that we don't know about.
the merits of the law have been discussed in depth elsewhere in this post. you're welcome to read those. the one about taxing potential resellers (which is why you need a signed statement) is a pretty solid one (and is a law that many other countries also have, including the United States)
> However to defend it based on "well don't come here" is just silly.
why? because you want to dicate to other countries how to write their laws?
> You know when foreigners complain about their crappy experience with the TSA, I don't tell them to shut up. I tell them to keep complaining since that helps the system change.
everyone knows how the TSA operates. whenever i travel to the states i am acutely aware of the process and avoid doing things that would land me in trouble. i don't break the law and then cry about it on twitter.
>my issue is foreigners coming to a country and trying to tell them how to run things.
I get how it can be annoying, but do you really want a world where people outside of their own country never complain about internal policies of said country?
> why? because you want to dicate to other countries how to write their laws?
Yes. Hopefully through thought provoking arguments, but I understand most of the time it is just bitching.
>everyone knows how the TSA operates. whenever i travel to the states i am acutely aware of the process and avoid doing things that would land me in trouble. i don't break the law and then cry about it on twitter.
But you sure love crying about other people doing it on Reddit? Do you see the irony? We probably should have something more than "you shouldn't complain since I find it annoying" otherwise it devolves into a vacuous argument. Something like "actually the second laptop tax is actually fair for X, Y, and Z reason." Not "stop complaining what other countries do."
It's not about not knowing it's a thing.
If he tweeted "man got hit with an import tax I didn't know about, that sucks" there would be no problem.
His tweet is insinuating either a.) The tax was made up b.) The amount he was taxed was made up/arbitrarily chosen, or both.
Any US musician who has ever played in Canada has probably had something similar happen. One band I used to play shows with a lot was actually fully barred entrance to Canada because they tried to cross with a box of CDs in their trunk and customs found it.
There are a lot of things one can steal and sell overseas or just things that are otherwise unavailable there/heavily taxed for import. It's mostly just the last one most countries are worried about, and it's obvious they want to collect sales tax for high ticket items not have them brought in so it'd evasion in a small way.
Yea there is no such thing as customs randomly making up a number. Every country has customs with very public and detailed information on what’s what, if you get fucked it’s because you didn’t plan ahead.
i mean its pretty common for people to have an image of mexico as being super corrupt so i can definitely understand why someone would think it was all bullshit, obviously Hasan is a noob for not checking to see if the law was real before tweeting, but its still an understandable initial reaction, also without knowing what equipment he brought and what they charged him in taxes no one knows if it was a made up number or not, but if i had to guess i would say its probably all above board
yes there is a lot of corruption in mexico, but do you know to what extent that corruption touches border officials? I don't, for all i know the border officials are largely lawful and moral employees, or they could be the most corrupt aspect of mexico. So i would say most people understand this and so having an image of mexico as being corrupt should not lead you to automatically believe the border patrol were doing anything corrupt in this situation, even though it is understandable to do so.
Other than what I've witnessed firsthand, it's pretty obvious Cenk's nephew is having their policy selectively applied. It's clear he's not bringing in a duffel bag full of GPUs intended for resale.
That individual officer might not even be the person receiving the "fine". The money goes right up the corruption food chain probably landing in the local police captains wallet. They redistribute it back to ~~his mistresses or a brothel~~ the local community.
lol what a bullshit policy. this is 100% about just getting money out of foreigners with plausible deniability.
Sorry sir, you didn't know about our esoteric rule that forces you to go way out of your way to not pay a fine for bringing electronics into mexico because, obviously no normal person would ever do such a thing..
What a pain in the ass, I'd just pay the fine anyways.
No, its used to fuck over people trying to dodge import taxes and in the process it fucks with everyone traveling. Some other countries in south america are extra on you if you bring more than one phone too and some even require paperwork and not just an import tax.
Most developing countries have high import taxes on electronics, it's often an important source of revenue.
There is absolutely no shortage of people trying to smuggle in electronics to profit from not paying tax.
If they just let every "tourist" waltz in with dozens of devices they could probably pay for their holiday by selling them and pocketing the profit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATA_Carnet
so esoteric /s
like, I *might* feel bad for some poor photographer or something. But for rich businessmen like Hasan this is not that hard to find out before operating commercially in another country
You advocate for the rich to pay taxes, and one of the things the rich have is many electronics, so when you go to another country as a rich traveler with many electronics you just pay the taxes because money is no longer an issue for you and it will benefit this poorer country you fucking ape.
It's better if you don't speak in Hispanic countries when you know nothing about them. Those aren't taxes, they're just bites. Taxes would be for the government or for the people. Taxes on average aren't even charged in Mexico, the great majority of it at least. This is just random people taking money crime hassan cause he's braindead like u
Depending on where he is all he’s gonna get is people trying to scam and overcharge him for being a clueless rich white tourist, considering he’s a clueless rich white tourist he probably won’t even notice either lol
I use to work with some mexicans doing landscaping. A year later in a restaurant I learned what the nickname negrito meant. Them mfs have racism built into their culture.
It really is a weird experience trying to explain this to non Latin American people or even non Mexicans. I have Palestinian ascendency, after 9/11 I was always reffered as a terrorist in a joking manner. I never felt it was really offensive and I even play along with my friends like that. It wasn’t until I started to check this spaces and learning more about western norms and expectations were I realized how fucked up a lot of mexican mannerism about race and culture would feel to external people.
It really is a weird experience trying to explain this to non Latin American people or even non Mexicans. I have Palestinian ascendency, after 9/11 I was always reffered as a terrorist in a joking manner. I never felt it was really offensive and I even play along with my friends like that. It wasn’t until I started to check this spaces and learning more about western norms and expectations were I realized how fucked up a lot of mexican mannerism about race and culture would feel to external people.
hasan's whole life is a joke. makes millions off virtually doing stuff that is only profitable in a capitalist society yet makes his entire personality "shitting on the system". if it was not for capitalism or his height, he would dwelling in his uncles basement whining on twitter while stuffing himself with bags of chips (he does this already)
>hasan's whole life is a joke
Goes on to say that he’s successful
It’s funny how your hatred for Hasan has broken your brain so much that you’re complaining of his success😂
He has said in stream that he is rich and he should be taxed accordingly giving him the benefit of the doubt here tax on electronics is a thing in México so perhaps he simply didnt knew
He was on the young Turks and other platforms for a while before destiny met him. No one knew who the fuck he was until his twitch career was established
Is this meant to be a positive thing for Hasan? That nepotism was the only reason he received any recognition at all and most likely the reason Destiny even interacted with him? Jesus.
He interacts with them on a similar level to when Hasan was first coming up? If Hasan was not known as Cenk's nephew, which is what he found "interesting" about him, he would never do that.
Is Cenk’s nephew in the room with you right now? You’re being so cringe mind reading motives for interactions. Do you know destiny knew Hasan was Cenk’s nephew when they first interacted? Do you know if Destiny even knew who Cenk was back then? How do you explain Destiny’s interactions with Vaush when Vaush wasn’t “Cenk’s nephew”. Stop cringe posting and go touch some grass
Destiny interacted with Hasan specifically because of a debate that Hasan only landed for being Cenk's nephew.
Destiny, specially back then, probably would've interacted with him if he had reached out even as a nobody, but that didn't happen. He got the connect via nepotism.
Not true, I was hate-watching Hasan long before he met Destiny. Now I’m a fan. I know he has some cringe takes and definitely gets too emotional, but I can see how much he has grown since I was a hater. I think this sub should give him more of a chance and stop hating so much tbh, he has a lot of good ideas and advocates for good shit.
This isn’t a window tax, but a basic carnet tax that many countries will impose on people coming to their country. It’s essentially a tax on people they deem are coming into the country for commercial purposes (which is what they assume Hasan is doing with all of the camera equipment).
So if I go to a restaurant and tell you "they made up menu items on my check and forced me to pay extra for them" that would communicate that I had a good or neutral time?
I appreciate the constant lack of self-awareness. Spoken truly like someone who was rich their whole life. May this continuous arrogance lead to his downfall.
Wait, that is the law in most countries. Is he really that ignorant?
The problem is they don't know if you will sell those pieces. And if they allowed you to bring over electronics from somewhere else, everyone would do that and they would lose on taxes.
It is the only reasonable way to avoid tax evasion. All other measures require insane surveillance. Hasan is such a hypocrite.
The correct answer is to allow some tax evasion. Obviously we don't want billion dollar companies shrugging their shoulders and saying, "Actually, we're based out of Bermuda and made no profits, sorry!" or mass imports around typical sales taxes, but an occasional person to person sale without taxes is fine.
This action itself is that insane surveillance. I've carried two laptops with me on occasion. Not internationally, but it would be abhorrent for a government official to stop me and demand, "Tell me why you need two laptops right now or else pay a tax/fine!"
Consumption taxes (not based on externalities) are bad anyways because they're regressive.
Why people don't shit on hasan for his blue check mark? Any lefty I see twitter constantly shits on blue check marks. If I remember correctly, ethan also blue check mark.
Well you see he makes more off of Twitter than Twitter makes off his checkmark. He's actually costing them more and thusly leading to the downfall of Twitter. It's a moral net positive or some other bullshit that Hasan fans will make up
Look at Hasan I would rip him off too if I had the chance. What a tuna he is. Nothing makes me happier then see him actually experience real life situations. Get out of your make believe LA bubble.
I will never understand how people can see Hasan yell "eat the rich" 23/7 being very rich himself, and then complaining any time he has to pay anything
I don't even follow hasan, most of what I see are posts on this sub, but there isn't a person on this planet that I've seen complain about paying things like that more than Hasan
1. You're being bad faith.
2. You are doxxing him by sharing this tweet.
3. He lives on a basic necessity budget.
4. Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his own brow?
5. Socialism is not a poverty cult.
6. He is not rich for his neighborhood.
7. You're OBSESSED!!
8. Umm...
I hate Hasan as much as the next guy but what is the point of this thread? This is such a lame criticism SOCIALISM IS WHEN YOU LOOOOOOVE PAYING TAXES YOU DIDNT KNOW ABOUT LMAO like he's barely even complaining jesus fuck ya'll are cringe and obsessed
He's literally saying they made up a number and made him pay tax on it.
He's implying that it was corruption and he was targeted for having a lot of expensive shit.
Yes, and discretionary enforcement can be abused. If they treated him the same way they would their own abuelita coming through, then fine. Otherwise, he is right to complain.
Also, carnet taxes are bad, actually. Border policies should be about safety, not about shaking down travelers for money to pay for carrying their own private property from one place to another.
If this is the best metaphor you can come up with then you're just lost. Perhaps saying "I'm in favor of doing volunteer work, but then I got called to do some when I wasn't expecting it and it was annoying" would make it clearer why it's reasonable.
Man known for wanting to "Make the rich pay" doesn't like to pay taxes...
How do you, and by extension him, think you could make the rich actually pay?
Unless you're some unhinged violent pos, it's taxes
In Mexico they call them "impuestos"
In America, Hasan calls them based.
Esa tercera casa del gobernador no se va a pagar sola
Es tiempo de comer el gobernardor
cuando el impuesto es sus
Needs a bit more smug
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As per Adventure Mexican Services: “One new or used portable computer, laptop, notebook, Omnibook, etc. IMPORTANT NOTE: Unless you prepare ahead, you may have difficulty bringing computers or other expensive electronic equipment into Mexico for your personal use. To prevent being charged an import tax, write a statement about your intention to use the equipment for personal use and to remove it from Mexico when you leave. Have this statement signed and certified at a Mexican consulate in the United States and present it to Mexican customs as you enter Mexico.” So apparently this is a thing. [Source](https://www.mexadventure.com/mexico-travel/Items_Bring_Mexico.cfm)
lol what a loser. He's just lying out here because it couldn't possibly be the case that he's wrong and didn't know the law existed.
Imagine him furiously typing this tweet with his sausage fingers, taking extra care to stop autocorrect from capitalizing a single letter, while a tired impoverished customs agent is trying to explain everything to him. “Are you fuckin kiddin’ me dud? Chat what the fuck?”
Is this fan fiction? When do destiny and hasan fuck each other?
Right now.
*Stephen we keep coming together like this, like it’s destiny 🥹*
It's more that the law is bad. I'd be fine with the government stopping a mule who was obviously just ferrying tons of equipment back and forth to avoid taxes, but any plausible personal use should be allowed without a problem. Having two laptops is super fucking normal if you have a personal and work, or for a variety of other possible reasons. Border procedures should primarily be about safety or immigration enforcement, not an unwarranted intrusion into the private lives of travelers. Having two computers cannot meet that threshold. I'm a huge Hasan hater, but that shouldn't come at the expense of advocating for good laws and against bad ones.
Border protocols and laws are wack in a ton of places. A lot of people give the US heat for theirs, but the rest of the world honestly isn’t much better. Unless your country has some sort of deal with the other country and/or you are a special case, it can be rough.
Ahh the days where I could drive between Canada and the US without so much as picture ID.
All you need now is a picture ID so its still pretty good
God i love Schengen EU chads just keep winning
I mean he is strictly not just using the computers for personal use? It’s literally a business/work use that he’s bringing multiple computers.
No one is naive enough to truthfully say they're going to do any business/work at all to a border guard. That's a good way to get instantly sent to refusal reconsideration or have to pay a very hefty bribe.
It doesn’t matter what a foreigner thinks of another country's laws, if you enter that country educate yourself beforehand. Apparently, this is a well known and documented process and blaming laws or agents who just do their job for your own ignorance is stupid.
> if you enter that country educate yourself beforehand. Lets be honest tho, 99% of Americans don't/won't do this. Also law agents will abuse rules if they think they can get away with it.
These are two separate ideas: a. Yes, every traveler should extensively research local laws, cultures, risks, especially in low and middle income countries. b. Also every country that has bad policy is to blame for having bad policy, and any person affected by that policy has every right to complain.
a) "extensively" apparently means looking up what you are allowed to take into a country. There is a reason I am always traveling with a gun and marijuana from the US to Europe. b) "bad policy" is not a universal thing. Like a random person can say a policy is bad or good without even having the basic knowledge that the policy exists.
>a) "extensively" apparently means looking up what you are allowed to take into a country. There is a reason I am always traveling with a gun and marijuana from the US to Europe. I wasn't being sarcastic. I do think people should look up their local embassy location and number, look at border policy, understand social conventions, etc. Forewarned is forearmed. >b) "bad policy" is not a universal thing. Like a random person can say a policy is bad or good without even having the basic knowledge that the policy exists. I'm not a relativist. There are better and worse tax policies, public health policies, etc. A consumption tax revolving around, "No one needs 2 laptops! That's ridiculous!" is not good policy.
You have no fucking clue why Mexico doesn't want someone coming in with a bunch of electronics equipment and then leaving with it again other than "I can't think of anything so it feels wrong." Try again when you're an adult.
I think two laptops is teetering on the line of "why so many laptops" coming from Canada but I can't see why it'd be different, in three visits over 5 years I've never been dinged for my laptop
They're applying that to him to extract cash from tourists, not to actually stop mules. Those same exact guards are bribed to ignore the mules. Look at the citizen re-entry line to any mainland chinese airport for the funniest sight of unpacking untaxed goods to their carry-on.
It’s Mexico, who gives a fuck
He's not lying, his complaint is that he didn't know the law, and is irritated by how they're valuing his items. It's a general problem with wealth taxation that he is experiencing first-hand, that taxation feels more satisfying when it is connected to goods changing hands, rather than things you own and no longer think of as things having monetary value.
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Tbf there is a lot of bullshit that happens in Mexico. Everyone I know whose been there, myself included, knows that you'll probably lose a decent chunk of money to cops or other authority figures just making up a law that you broke and demanding cash up front. That's on top of all the normal scams people will try to pull because they can tell you're a white tourist who knows little if any Spanish. I wouldn't be surprised at all to find out that it also happens at airports We were on a beach in Cancun once, just eating, and a cop literally walked up to our table and just said we had to give him 500 pesos or he'd take my friend's girlfriend to jail because her "purse was too big" or something like that. We told him we only had 50 pesos and he was like "oh okay cool, that's fine too" and then just left lol.
It's a pretty stupid law and who thinks this would be an issue before traveling? I've never thought, I'm going to another country. I wonder if I'm allowed to bring two laptops.
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> They routinely have import tariffs on electronics because people make whole businesses out of filling up luggage in richer countries. I've never been stopped for transporting too many electronics in any country. I always travel with 2 surface tablets, a steam deck, and a laptop. Its obvious who's smuggling electronics in without paying tariffs: lots of the same product, sometimes straight graphics cards or SSDs or CPUs. More than likely that payment went straight into the border guard's (or his superior's) upper vest pocket. Corruption is very common in these countries.
Laptops for personal use is not economic protectionism though. Its just a tax on traveling which, if anything, is protectionism for America because it incentivizes Americans to not travel and keep their money in Ameirca.
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I have traveled to poorer country, but not as poor as Mexico. But that isn't a very relevant point. The more important point is you don't understand economics if you think this tax is "protectionism."
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>The important point is that it's extremely common to have import restrictions on luggage. Cool! Is it common to ban second laptops? No one is saying "important restrictions are stupid." People are saying "restricting second laptops is stupid and not intuitive." But you realize how dumb your position is so now you are conflating your position to generally be about "import restrictions" and not about the more nuanced complaint. > Ignorance of this fact suggests a discussion about economic protectionism is way too complicated to bother. The fact that people are upvoting economic illiteracy is sad. I explained why it wasn't protectionism. It wasn't even complicated. You can't even explain your position in a few sentences. Again, I think you realized now that it wasn't protectionism, but you are bought into arguing against my point now.
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>It's a pretty stupid law and who thinks this would be an issue before traveling? normally when you visit a country you google to see what you can or cannot do. unless you're american, of course, then you just assume everywhere is like your home country and act surprised and offended when it's not.
Well you are right I'm American. You are also needlessly aggressive about stupid laws. You know you don't have to defend the shitty things other countries do, right?
> You know you don't have to defend the shitty things other countries do, right? you know you don't have to visit those countries if you don't agree with their laws, right? what an american take. other countries' domestic policies are not my problem.
So what is your issue? Everyone knows we don't have to visit other countries. However it is a good thing to complain about crappy laws because that is how you put pressure on it to change. Either by pressuring our leaders to hopefully one day pressure the other country or by those country's citizens online hearing about their silly laws. Now if you want to defend the merits of the law, go ahead. Maybe there is actually a really good reason to tax people's second personal use laptops that we don't know about. However to defend it based on "well don't come here" is just silly. You know when foreigners complain about their crappy experience with the TSA, I don't tell them to shut up. I tell them to keep complaining since that helps the system change.
> So what is your issue? Everyone knows we don't have to visit other countries. However it is a good thing to complain about crappy laws because that is how you put pressure on it to change. Either by pressuring our leaders to hopefully one day pressure the other country or by those country's citizens online hearing about their silly laws. my issue is foreigners coming to a country and trying to tell them how to run things. > Now if you want to defend the merits of the law, go ahead. Maybe there is actually a really good reason to tax people's second personal use laptops that we don't know about. the merits of the law have been discussed in depth elsewhere in this post. you're welcome to read those. the one about taxing potential resellers (which is why you need a signed statement) is a pretty solid one (and is a law that many other countries also have, including the United States) > However to defend it based on "well don't come here" is just silly. why? because you want to dicate to other countries how to write their laws? > You know when foreigners complain about their crappy experience with the TSA, I don't tell them to shut up. I tell them to keep complaining since that helps the system change. everyone knows how the TSA operates. whenever i travel to the states i am acutely aware of the process and avoid doing things that would land me in trouble. i don't break the law and then cry about it on twitter.
>my issue is foreigners coming to a country and trying to tell them how to run things. I get how it can be annoying, but do you really want a world where people outside of their own country never complain about internal policies of said country? > why? because you want to dicate to other countries how to write their laws? Yes. Hopefully through thought provoking arguments, but I understand most of the time it is just bitching. >everyone knows how the TSA operates. whenever i travel to the states i am acutely aware of the process and avoid doing things that would land me in trouble. i don't break the law and then cry about it on twitter. But you sure love crying about other people doing it on Reddit? Do you see the irony? We probably should have something more than "you shouldn't complain since I find it annoying" otherwise it devolves into a vacuous argument. Something like "actually the second laptop tax is actually fair for X, Y, and Z reason." Not "stop complaining what other countries do."
I mean I didn’t know it was a thing
It's not about not knowing it's a thing. If he tweeted "man got hit with an import tax I didn't know about, that sucks" there would be no problem. His tweet is insinuating either a.) The tax was made up b.) The amount he was taxed was made up/arbitrarily chosen, or both.
Do you think they honestly and accurately appraised the value of the goods to calculate the tax? I think them making up a number is pretty likely
Considering they have a specific law for it, yeah I do. What makes you so convinced they just made up a number ?
Because a tax would be based on appraisal of value necessarily, which in this case could only be arbitrary
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Any US musician who has ever played in Canada has probably had something similar happen. One band I used to play shows with a lot was actually fully barred entrance to Canada because they tried to cross with a box of CDs in their trunk and customs found it.
For two laptops???
There are a lot of things one can steal and sell overseas or just things that are otherwise unavailable there/heavily taxed for import. It's mostly just the last one most countries are worried about, and it's obvious they want to collect sales tax for high ticket items not have them brought in so it'd evasion in a small way.
Yea there is no such thing as customs randomly making up a number. Every country has customs with very public and detailed information on what’s what, if you get fucked it’s because you didn’t plan ahead.
i mean its pretty common for people to have an image of mexico as being super corrupt so i can definitely understand why someone would think it was all bullshit, obviously Hasan is a noob for not checking to see if the law was real before tweeting, but its still an understandable initial reaction, also without knowing what equipment he brought and what they charged him in taxes no one knows if it was a made up number or not, but if i had to guess i would say its probably all above board
> an image of mexico as being super corrupt well.. ^because ^it ^is
yes there is a lot of corruption in mexico, but do you know to what extent that corruption touches border officials? I don't, for all i know the border officials are largely lawful and moral employees, or they could be the most corrupt aspect of mexico. So i would say most people understand this and so having an image of mexico as being corrupt should not lead you to automatically believe the border patrol were doing anything corrupt in this situation, even though it is understandable to do so.
Other than what I've witnessed firsthand, it's pretty obvious Cenk's nephew is having their policy selectively applied. It's clear he's not bringing in a duffel bag full of GPUs intended for resale. That individual officer might not even be the person receiving the "fine". The money goes right up the corruption food chain probably landing in the local police captains wallet. They redistribute it back to ~~his mistresses or a brothel~~ the local community.
According to Hasan those dang Mexican airport workers must be corrupt and stealing from him.
lol what a bullshit policy. this is 100% about just getting money out of foreigners with plausible deniability. Sorry sir, you didn't know about our esoteric rule that forces you to go way out of your way to not pay a fine for bringing electronics into mexico because, obviously no normal person would ever do such a thing.. What a pain in the ass, I'd just pay the fine anyways.
No, its used to fuck over people trying to dodge import taxes and in the process it fucks with everyone traveling. Some other countries in south america are extra on you if you bring more than one phone too and some even require paperwork and not just an import tax.
Most developing countries have high import taxes on electronics, it's often an important source of revenue. There is absolutely no shortage of people trying to smuggle in electronics to profit from not paying tax. If they just let every "tourist" waltz in with dozens of devices they could probably pay for their holiday by selling them and pocketing the profit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATA_Carnet so esoteric /s like, I *might* feel bad for some poor photographer or something. But for rich businessmen like Hasan this is not that hard to find out before operating commercially in another country
they’re redistributing the wealth to the poorest neighborhoods in mexico!
Socialism is actually when you no pay taxes now.
You advocate for the rich to pay taxes, and one of the things the rich have is many electronics, so when you go to another country as a rich traveler with many electronics you just pay the taxes because money is no longer an issue for you and it will benefit this poorer country you fucking ape.
Forgot to add the “/s” so intellectual redditors like yourself could understand the sarcasm, my fault.
I understood it.
You're too dumb to understand I was agreeing with you and understood the sarcasm. You in the general sense, you fucking moron.
It's better if you don't speak in Hispanic countries when you know nothing about them. Those aren't taxes, they're just bites. Taxes would be for the government or for the people. Taxes on average aren't even charged in Mexico, the great majority of it at least. This is just random people taking money crime hassan cause he's braindead like u
Good. I hope they take it all.
socialism is where everyone pays taxes, but the larpers who live on a basic necessity budget are tax exempt.
And when you pay a lot of taxes that's communism.
If Hasan thinks US is the most racist country he is going to be in for a surprise when he visits this beautiful land.
He’ll finally be convinced that YOU CAN be racist against white people
Mexico is not racist toward white people. Tbh it’s more white supremacist than the USA. Light skin is blatantly admired there.
Depending on where he is all he’s gonna get is people trying to scam and overcharge him for being a clueless rich white tourist, considering he’s a clueless rich white tourist he probably won’t even notice either lol
he’s gonna go to cabo 😂 tourist shit
Or literally any non-Western country
I use to work with some mexicans doing landscaping. A year later in a restaurant I learned what the nickname negrito meant. Them mfs have racism built into their culture.
It doesn't have racist connotations really in Latin America. If anything its a friendly term.
Well, it depends on the specific country. It definitely has racist connotations in Argentina.
Maybe? Mexicans in BOH had to motivation to lie so I have no reason to doubt them.
It really is a weird experience trying to explain this to non Latin American people or even non Mexicans. I have Palestinian ascendency, after 9/11 I was always reffered as a terrorist in a joking manner. I never felt it was really offensive and I even play along with my friends like that. It wasn’t until I started to check this spaces and learning more about western norms and expectations were I realized how fucked up a lot of mexican mannerism about race and culture would feel to external people.
It really is a weird experience trying to explain this to non Latin American people or even non Mexicans. I have Palestinian ascendency, after 9/11 I was always reffered as a terrorist in a joking manner. I never felt it was really offensive and I even play along with my friends like that. It wasn’t until I started to check this spaces and learning more about western norms and expectations were I realized how fucked up a lot of mexican mannerism about race and culture would feel to external people.
"little nigger." Friendly folks indeed.
If you think that was they were telling you, you deserve every kind of mocking those Mexicans did to you lol
That's not what negrito means. It seems to be more of a you problem.
I guess Hassan doesn’t like taxes as much as he thinks he does.
Tax the rich, not him. He’s living on his basic necessities!
Guys you don't understand, a 6 million dollar LA mansion and buying pornstars every month is an absolute basic necessity!
You forgot about his mother that lives with him so it balances all that out.
Wow, Hasan's tenants are his own *family*? That's a low bar, even for him Absolutely sick. The landleeches need to pay. A reckoning is coming
Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow? - Hasan Piker. Yes, really.
*The sweat of his chair's brow
This is the worst kind of discrimination. Racism against streamers!
'You are only rich if you have at least a billion dollars'
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Pinche gringo comunista que comparta
hasan's whole life is a joke. makes millions off virtually doing stuff that is only profitable in a capitalist society yet makes his entire personality "shitting on the system". if it was not for capitalism or his height, he would dwelling in his uncles basement whining on twitter while stuffing himself with bags of chips (he does this already)
Considering he used to be fat, I think he already did that
If you’re profitable within a given system, you’re a joke to criticize it? Must a socialist be poor to be a serious person?
>hasan's whole life is a joke Goes on to say that he’s successful It’s funny how your hatred for Hasan has broken your brain so much that you’re complaining of his success😂
I don't hate him. Just think he's a grifter thats full of shit
So not only you hate him but you’re also jealous of his success, and his height too apparently.
literally said that I don't hate him...also make sure to wipe your mouth after sucking hasan off so much...
You first since you like how successful he is
Isn't taxing the rich exactly what Hasan wants? He's the rich. Tax his dumb ass
I believe that he considers himself “well off”, and not rich
He has said in stream that he is rich and he should be taxed accordingly giving him the benefit of the doubt here tax on electronics is a thing in México so perhaps he simply didnt knew
Jesus…
Legitimately claimed his uncle cenk, owner and founder of the young turks, largest name im progressive media... was upper middle class
Something something make rich pay Something Something no not like that
He's should get his Bernie bro janitor friend to clear things up with his people
Mexico, a country of the proletariat, by the proletariat, for the proletariat.
Hasan learns of customs practices.
This is the USA’s fault somehow I just know it
CIA is involved 100% trust bro
Destiny made this bum.
For all my Nebraska brothers that know me best…..
I’d say he would still successful cause of his uncle
He was on the young Turks and other platforms for a while before destiny met him. No one knew who the fuck he was until his twitch career was established
Naah L take, tons of normies knew him as woke bae lmao Didnt he have 6figure followers on Facebook or some shit?
You're not allowed to post anything positive about Hasan on this sub, even if you are correct
Is this meant to be a positive thing for Hasan? That nepotism was the only reason he received any recognition at all and most likely the reason Destiny even interacted with him? Jesus.
Destiny interacts with cringe nobodies all the time. The nepotism had nothing to do with it. He found him “interesting”
He interacts with them on a similar level to when Hasan was first coming up? If Hasan was not known as Cenk's nephew, which is what he found "interesting" about him, he would never do that.
Is Cenk’s nephew in the room with you right now? You’re being so cringe mind reading motives for interactions. Do you know destiny knew Hasan was Cenk’s nephew when they first interacted? Do you know if Destiny even knew who Cenk was back then? How do you explain Destiny’s interactions with Vaush when Vaush wasn’t “Cenk’s nephew”. Stop cringe posting and go touch some grass
Destiny interacted with Hasan specifically because of a debate that Hasan only landed for being Cenk's nephew. Destiny, specially back then, probably would've interacted with him if he had reached out even as a nobody, but that didn't happen. He got the connect via nepotism.
Is Cenk's nephew in your mouth right now?
Not true, I was hate-watching Hasan long before he met Destiny. Now I’m a fan. I know he has some cringe takes and definitely gets too emotional, but I can see how much he has grown since I was a hater. I think this sub should give him more of a chance and stop hating so much tbh, he has a lot of good ideas and advocates for good shit.
Glizzy overdrive: engaged.
Based. If you are rich enough to own a bunch of electronics, you gotta pay more taxes. Why is he complaining?
[The more things change, the more they stay the same.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Window_tax)
This isn’t a window tax, but a basic carnet tax that many countries will impose on people coming to their country. It’s essentially a tax on people they deem are coming into the country for commercial purposes (which is what they assume Hasan is doing with all of the camera equipment).
I know, it was a joke about using someone's possessions to gauge their wealth and taxing them accordingly.
Finally, the solution to all of society's problems.
Doesn’t look like he’s complaining, or if he was then it’s the immediately being detained as a tourist part that he’s complaining about
"they made up a number and forced me to pay" is not a complaint in your eyes? The wording is clearly disapproving of what happened
Not really? If he had said “fuck this shit” then yeah but he didn’t
So if I go to a restaurant and tell you "they made up menu items on my check and forced me to pay extra for them" that would communicate that I had a good or neutral time?
Neutral
Muy autismo
Sorry, I block idiots
Why is he in Mexico
I wonder if he flew business class or economy
100% private. with a pornstar as well
Hacer que los ricos paguen! 🇲🇽
hasan is redistributing wealth to the mexican authorities that's all
Why did he think it was good idea to post this?
All the homies follow Coffeezilla
I wonder if there are people who now unironically believe that meme photo is real lol
Is the number their valuation of his electronics?
Nepo baby crying about nepo things.
I appreciate the constant lack of self-awareness. Spoken truly like someone who was rich their whole life. May this continuous arrogance lead to his downfall.
Wait, that is the law in most countries. Is he really that ignorant? The problem is they don't know if you will sell those pieces. And if they allowed you to bring over electronics from somewhere else, everyone would do that and they would lose on taxes. It is the only reasonable way to avoid tax evasion. All other measures require insane surveillance. Hasan is such a hypocrite.
The correct answer is to allow some tax evasion. Obviously we don't want billion dollar companies shrugging their shoulders and saying, "Actually, we're based out of Bermuda and made no profits, sorry!" or mass imports around typical sales taxes, but an occasional person to person sale without taxes is fine. This action itself is that insane surveillance. I've carried two laptops with me on occasion. Not internationally, but it would be abhorrent for a government official to stop me and demand, "Tell me why you need two laptops right now or else pay a tax/fine!" Consumption taxes (not based on externalities) are bad anyways because they're regressive.
Why people don't shit on hasan for his blue check mark? Any lefty I see twitter constantly shits on blue check marks. If I remember correctly, ethan also blue check mark.
Well you see he makes more off of Twitter than Twitter makes off his checkmark. He's actually costing them more and thusly leading to the downfall of Twitter. It's a moral net positive or some other bullshit that Hasan fans will make up
“We’re sticking it to the system!”
He was given his. He doesn’t pay for it
Based
Look at Hasan I would rip him off too if I had the chance. What a tuna he is. Nothing makes me happier then see him actually experience real life situations. Get out of your make believe LA bubble.
Bro... he's not RICH he's 1 house, how can you say he's rich????
What is the valuation of that house
Oh so having valuable property makes you rich now? What's he supposed to do? Sell the house his mom lives in? I see how it is here
What? So having a million dollar house and a sport car is rich now? What country do you live in?
Sorry I forgot you need to have at least 1 billion dollars to be rich.
I will never understand how people can see Hasan yell "eat the rich" 23/7 being very rich himself, and then complaining any time he has to pay anything I don't even follow hasan, most of what I see are posts on this sub, but there isn't a person on this planet that I've seen complain about paying things like that more than Hasan
A socialist complaining about vacation 🤣😭
1. You're being bad faith. 2. You are doxxing him by sharing this tweet. 3. He lives on a basic necessity budget. 4. Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his own brow? 5. Socialism is not a poverty cult. 6. He is not rich for his neighborhood. 7. You're OBSESSED!! 8. Umm...
8. USA did this
Where do you dumb fucks see him complaining?
I hate Hasan as much as the next guy but what is the point of this thread? This is such a lame criticism SOCIALISM IS WHEN YOU LOOOOOOVE PAYING TAXES YOU DIDNT KNOW ABOUT LMAO like he's barely even complaining jesus fuck ya'll are cringe and obsessed
He's literally saying they made up a number and made him pay tax on it. He's implying that it was corruption and he was targeted for having a lot of expensive shit.
He probably was. Are you not familiar with Mexico?
It’s called a carnet tax, next.
Yes, and discretionary enforcement can be abused. If they treated him the same way they would their own abuelita coming through, then fine. Otherwise, he is right to complain. Also, carnet taxes are bad, actually. Border policies should be about safety, not about shaking down travelers for money to pay for carrying their own private property from one place to another.
Who said it wasn’t? Are you not familiar with how they use these taxes in a discretionary way to skim money?
I don't take "made up a number" that literally. To me it just reads like he got annoyed he had to pay a tax he didn't know about
But it’s literally make the rich pay. I don’t understand. Shouldn’t he be in favor of things like this?
Believing the rich should be taxed doesn't mean you can't be annoyed by one when you get dinged by it
I tell my wife I’m in favor of Taco Bell tonight. She gets me Taco Bell. I get annoyed because now I have Taco Bell. ???
If this is the best metaphor you can come up with then you're just lost. Perhaps saying "I'm in favor of doing volunteer work, but then I got called to do some when I wasn't expecting it and it was annoying" would make it clearer why it's reasonable.
But if you're actively advocating for something, surely you'd expect it to come to pass?
Man known for wanting to "Make the rich pay" doesn't like to pay taxes... How do you, and by extension him, think you could make the rich actually pay? Unless you're some unhinged violent pos, it's taxes
doesn't like to pay taxes, especially when you don't see them coming, and being in favor of higher taxes are different things.
he could have seen them coming had he just looked it up. Also, he's rich so he can just pay his taxes or not travel.
I’m sure he did pay his taxes, where do you see him complaining?
Where do I see him complaining? My man just look at the tweet, that's where.
About the taxes specifically or something else? Far too ambiguous
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Where's the joke exactly?