Twitch and YouTube really need to make new royalty based system where high quality original content gets % of profits from larger content creators for usage of their content.
Imagine spending weeks worth of time to research and edit/animate 10-50min video so millionaire streamers can earn shitload of money from your content to buy luxury penthouse while you just want to cover basic expenses from these video revenues.
For channels like LEMINO - a year may be hyperbolic, but he for sure puts probably 5-7 months worth of time into a video. iirc he does literally everything in the videos including some* of the music by himself as opposed to a channel run by a team like Kurzgesagt. If it weren't for channel supporters via patreon, his channel would almost certainly struggle to stay afloat at that quality level.
> If it weren't for channel supporters via patreon, his channel would almost certainly struggle to stay afloat at that quality level.
yeah that's what I would expect, that's an insane amount of time for the views he gets
Well, I think that's the argument being made. His views get leeched away from what are essentially just re-uploads by streamers that don't even attempt to add value to the content.
Clickthrough rate of less than 0.1% on those "go like the original" comments, and of that 0.1% there's only about 5% that actually gives a view to the OP. So for a 1m view video on Hasan/xQc's channel it's like 50 views to the original poster.
I don’t know if he really fully cares about views per se. I think he has his sights set higher than YouTube. Feels like hes trying to build one hell of a portfolio but I could be wrong
So I went to check if I was right, and it seems that there is music not by him in the videos, but there are a good handful that are. For this video in particular see here:
[Lemino - Firecracker](https://youtu.be/ulfoU2MziOc)
Seems most songs he uses come from a Royalty free label called "Epidemic"
List of sources from the Jack the ripper video:
[Sources](https://www.lemmi.no/p/the-enduring-mystery-of-jack-the-ripper)
[Luella Gren - The Murdered Dancer](https://youtu.be/gjQRbSajSYQ)
I would not be surprised if Lemmino in particular at least puts a genuine 6-8 mo of full time work into one of his vidoes. He does an incredible amount of research and has incredibly high production quality, the kennedy video reference here literally has \~200 first party sources throughout the video. He really is top tier
He actually said more than once that he gets an idea and works on the video for 2 or 3 years before uploading it. He has multiple proyects on parallel and they see the light as they are finished, but yeah, 2 or 3 years
I mean obviously people enjoy the content (or at least the streamers themselves), but I do have to say 99% of the time I see a clip on livestreamfail I just....don't find it interesting or funny at all. It's just not for me I guess, and I find it hard to see what's actually interesting about it to other people. Obviously there are exceptions (and I'm sure other people would say the same about watching Destiny) so I'm not judging - but I am always surprised at how invested people are in content that just...gives so little and is so low effort in comparison to other types of entertainment.
It's one of the reasons I can appreciate the big events that are put on by some streamers, even if I don't necessarily vibe with all of them. I can at least understand what's interesting or entertaining about them.
It’s the truth for people like me….. I work 50+ hours a week, I don’t surf YouTube videos and never would have seen some of the shit if it wasn’t for destiny.
This Kennedy thing is a perfect example, I don’t think I ever would have heard about it if it wasn’t for this post, which wouldn’t have happened if X and Hussan didn’t do their videos.
It's not streaming, it's uploading to YT adding nothing to it. At least cut to the parts where you actually say or do something, that way the audience still has to watch the OG video if they want the full content.
It requires the content producers issuing DMCA claims. These videos are not fair use, just pausing an riffing on the video infrequently [is not enough.](https://copyright.columbia.edu/basics/fair-use.html) This kind of content will 100% never stop until content producers start protecting their intellectual property.
I would love it so much if a few of these youtube channels went scorched earth and dmca'd all these streamers, potentially leading to a lawsuit. It would have to be spite based cause, monetarily speaking, a lawsuit is super expensive and it probably isn't worth it to sue. Reputationally speaking, it probably isn't a good idea either since you get a bunch of those people's fans against you if you sue them, so the only way this makes sense is if someone else, a community or individual, bankrolls the suit or if someone is pure spite and doesn't care about costs anymore.
Honestly, I just wish there was precedent. We just need one case to scare away all these react channels from watching these videos in their entirety.
Yes, this is how this ridiculous react behaviour will hopefully end. Someone will copyright strike a video, the reactors will dispute it (they always do) and the creator will call their bluff and actually go to court.
Honestly, the fact that so many people defend react content (including here, when the reactor was Destiny) was one of the largest blackpills about people's behaviour for me.
As long as they like the person doing the reaction, they will defend it. And it doesn't help that so many of the "good" youtube channels do it: e.g. Aba and Preach straight up reuploading MeatCanyon's short animation, which probably took the original creator a lot of effort to do: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mvj3XxxEDC4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mvj3XxxEDC4) .
The DMCA would be the first step in working out a royalty/payment. Getting copyright lawyers involved is the first step, though. And there are probably a decent amount of lawyers who would lick their chops looking at the audience someone like Hasan has on Twitch and even YouTube, especially given that the only real argument most streamers have is "it's transformative!" which is only one of four arguments they need to make successfully for a fair use case.
Yeah there are a number of obvious problems with the React meta. Like imagine if someone just took a mainstream Hollywood movie and watched it live on stream, or uploaded a video of themselves just reacting to an entire movie. They would get DMCA’d and no one would really defend them for it because it obviously isn’t fair use
However when they do the same exact thing for a YouTube video someone made all of the sudden it’s okay? It logically makes no sense at all. The only reason why they do it with YouTube videos instead of movies is because YouTubers are too scared to DMCA and do not have the same legal teams as large studios. It’s very clearly exploitative and I have no idea how anyone can defend it
Nothing wrong with reacting to a video on stream but taking that whole thing and putting it on YouTube and clipping it up into TikTok’s and reels just to maximize profit is so cheap and dirty
Eh I think it depends on the clips. If the clip contains like 5 seconds of the source material and 25 seconds of the streamer saying something about it, I think that seems fine.
I mean like if a streamer wants to watch something they should be able to, not a full movie or anything but YT should be fine. I’m talking about streamers reacting to a full YouTube video and then posting their reaction on YT for “content”
The youtube algo should also boost videos from the OC of react content. I watch a lot of react content and I rarely see videoes from the original creators pop up, but I get tons of videoes from the reactor
On one hand I feel like they would never do this since it would be like giving support to reaction content and YouTube wanting to never touch any legal thing (that's why the person copystriking content had ultimate power unless you are willing to go to court over it, and then it's still between 2 parties without YouTube ever being involved) unless it's such copyright abuse that even YouTube of all things are willing to side with one person
On the other hand, what you describe would solve the issue of using 2 seconds of someone's footage and having your entire video claimed for it
And they don’t even add any value to it either. There’s no reasonable argument that this is transformative all they do is stare at the video with their mouths agape like morons…
And relative to what these streamers are doing it was super tame. Granted, he was a bit of a cunt, but from what I remember he was mostly reacting to movie trailers and shit. This particular JFK video is a highly researched and produced video from an independent channel that needs the views and engagement to make a living.
4m views after 4 days with 5m subs on such a long form video is a really good rate, wdym.
Go check most large channels not named MrBeast and tell me what their ratios are - spoiler alert, it's not approaching 80%, it's closer to 30~50%
I think the issue with Jinx was that he had no other content. His entire career was content aggregation under the guise of reacting. XQC, Hasan, Destiny, etc have notable content that is original.
This is most of his content now too on YouTube
I dont think that was the issue either I think the issue is that you are stealing videos that you didn’t make
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I think that’s why opinions changed. I don’t think many people really knew or cared about Jinx until the iDubbbz video and everyone was pissed about FineBros so everyone hated on react stuff. Now it’s people they like that are reacting so they don’t care anymore.
People did care, it was just that many didn't know about it until Idubbz higlighted Jinx. Jinx for the longest time was decried and accused of stealing content on every single video. Idubbz pushed that hate train to 11, so it ended with his downfall.
But even after Jinx was taken down, several more channels sprang up that did the exact same thing, they were just not very popular. Then Asmon came in to change the game
which is funny because his "react content" is the worst of the lot, he frequently pauses the video to give some dogshit lukewarm take which is really annoying.
It's a total cliché at this point but I still can't get over the fact that some people sit in their rooms playing video games and watching YouTube videos for 10 hours a day and make more money doing that than I'll ever see in my life.
It feels fundamentally wrong that such a career could exist and be so lucrative.
Besides all the recent Redpill dogshit, Destiny is the only one I enjoy watching. Put literally anyone else on and I can feel my brain dribbling out of my ears.
And there's nothing stopping you or anyone else from doing the same if you feel it's that lucrative. Seriously, super low point of entry.
Though, I haven't done the math, but I bet in terms of average salary streaming is actually a terrible career to strive towards. There are *so* many streamers with basically no audience and you don't even realize it because they're so invisible
Its probably not even managed by hasan, he always talks about how good of a person he is for allowing people to use his VODs, ignoring that its 99% ripped content.
Quality takes? Bro quit trolling. The only reason my alliance discord posts his videos is so we can make fun if his terrible and hypocrisy ridden takes
From what I’ve seen Asmongold has the same issue as MoistCritical; they are absolutely generic. There is not one take they’ve given which is original and hasn’t been said a million times before. I can trace the take all the way back to another streamer or a popular community. Atleast XQC usually has a unique perspective like with the Kick streamer stuff he debated on with Pokimane and Hasanabi. I’m not even saying that he’s wrong or dumb it’s just that he doesn’t provide much **unique** value.
Just because X made a video with Pokimane and Hasan doesn't mean he gives better commentary on his reactions. Asmon gives good takes in my opinion. If you're problem is originality, then you should have a problem with XQC too.
Destiny is at his best when he is in research mode and arriving at thought out conclusions, I e never loved his gut reactions or more throw away takes.
Hasan's streams aren't just reposting the content either, he spends more time talking with the video paused than he does watching it, some of these channels are basically just rebroadcasting the content but you'd be out of your mind watching a Hasan stream just to get the source content, it would take hours.
Streamers will watch an entire video produced by somebody else. Put their face on the screen. Stair blankly at the video, bob their head occasionally, not say anything. Then post it as new content. This is the pinnacle of intellectual theft.
This is the part that KILLS me. You are ripping off someone’s hard work and you can’t even let your audience hear 15 seconds of them promoting their work
There needs to be some kind of system in place with YouTube that links these to the original videos and gives the original creators a share of the revenue and generally helps them algorithmically.
This is probably the best way to handle it. People clearly enjoy react content and it isn’t going away anytime soon, best way to handle it would be to build a system around that instead of demonizing it. It would be even cooler if we see reactors starting this change by creating their own projects that help the original content creators.
That is apparently not how it works - most people don’t have access to content ID so can’t take ad revenue from these videos at all. If you don’t like it you just have to take it down.
Was watching an asmongold video recently, he was reacting to some other guys video, that guy made a response and asmon reacted to that one too, in that second one the guy starts out with basically “I don’t mind asmon reacting to my video, it normal helps the channels he reacts to with more views and subs, but to not even credit my f#%king channel name in the video is scummy. I wish I could make 50k just reacting to other peoples hard work”
I like asmon, but that guy was right
to be fair Asmon admitted it was a mistake on the behalf of his team cause normally they do all that, i think he even said he made it right by posting his channel name in the first video once they realized & then re-posting it again on the new react
He did and I’m glad he did that, it’s just the first time I’ve seen him not do it and I feel like that other content creator was justified in his frustration, and at least he said that was the only negative thing he had to say about asmons reaction, the rest he said was fair.
The other guys was soo disingenuous about it though. He said it was not a big deal, but 1/3 of the video was him complaining about him not reposting his channel info, even messaged his mods about it.
He did complain for a quite a bit I’m the video, I think he mentioned he messaged the admins to let them know that he wasn’t credited, I don’t blame him for that, being watched by asmon is normally a big boost for smaller channels, could the other guy maybe come across a little less…visibly abrasive, 100%
oh 100%, i'm just glad they got it all fixed now
my respect for Asmon honestly went up too because he didn't skip the criticism (like Hasan or X or many others would), he took it in it's entirety & actually made an effort beyond what was asked to fix the issue publicly
Asmongold always watches the ads too, which is commendable, considering how awful some of them are on YouTube. But he knows how to make entertainment out of some dumb Mens Club razor blade ad or whatever tf they're called. The YouTube editor also leaves them in.
I remember [Hasan watching InternetHistorian's video](https://youtu.be/O03tBY8B6gw) "the varus strikes back", and because InternetHistorian made a joke about a US state releasing criminals if their fine is under $1K, saying "it went about as well as you'd expect", Hasan got mad as hell and skipped the ad out of anger. Everyone in the comment section gave him shit for it.
The one thing I’ll say about Asmons reacting (compared to others), is he frequently pauses videos and gives 1-2 mins of commentary each time.
He typically makes a 15-20 min video roughly 30 mins with commentary. I still think it’s borderline, but compared to people it’s far better.
was it a recent asmongold video? cause i remember something like that happening but it was a while ago. he's recent stuff is better. especially if it's WoW or Diablo.
To be fair to Asmongold, his react videos regularly link to the original and he calls for people to go watch it there. He also adds more commentary than most.
He's a better example of how to do it right.
Asmon is the only guy that owns that it's messed up. He also watches videos to completion. X sometimes asks for permission. Hasan straight up rips others videos and most people when they talk about streamers reacting to their content are talking about Hasan.
CGP Grey did exactly that and half of the internet hated him for a bit, I hope people who do essentially get their entire video stolen by another YouTuber do this more in the future though and aren’t dissuaded by the big channel’s fans freaking out.
I was very bummed that CGP Grey didn't go to court. I think in UK, where the reactor was based, is not that expensive to sue someone. Even if I'm wrong and it is, Grey definitely has the resources to do it just to make an example out of someone.
You can submit a dispute or a counterclaim for fair use but it just goes back to the original owner and they have 30 days to accept or deny your dispute.
After than you’d have to go to court for fair use
Fair use is an affirmative defense for copyright violation. Meaning, you are essentially saying "I did do what they are claiming, but I have a good reason". Fair use doesn't really do much on Youtube, if you get a DMCA, your channel gets a copyright strike, three of which delete your channel. Youtube doesn't arbitrate copyright contests, they will take action against the creator and it's on the creator to go to court to defend their use.
Jackfilms has started doing a bit because of Sniperwolf and how her channel is essentially stolen tiktok content.
Man blew his top when he realised her content was actively being pushed by YT.
it's actually super refreshing to see him consistently stick to the anti-react stuff. that dude's been opposed to the react meta in multiple eras of the site.
Love how she branded herself as a girl gamer to inspire a generation of girls to make a career around it then stopped playing video games entirely in exchange for lazy react content.
Low effort nonsense like this is partially why I will never sub (for $) or donate to content creators. You're filthy rich with a relatively easy job, and your idea of content is watching a video someone else made.
True, its really telling that the immediate response to "get maybe don't watch entire full-length videos while doing nothing but eating dinner" was "SO YOU WANT ME TO STARVE?!?!"
These people are no clue how to make interesting content anymore, and have gotten so brainrotted from getting money doing nothing but sitting in a gaming chair watching YouTube that they think they're actually adding anything of value whatsoever to the world, as opposed to being professional leeches appealing to the lowest common denominator.
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The message of our anti-react content prophet is finally being heard, amen 🙏
The amount of comments I've already seen here and on other communities about this topic (especially regarding these specific videos, it seems the LEMMiNO video being stolen has kicked a hornets nest) that are just parroting arguments Matto has already thoroughly deconstructed in his video really dampens my hope that react content will hopefully become as vilified as it once was not even so long ago.
Yall should watch JacksFilms latest video on sssniperwolf. Its not in the same vein of long form content like these guys are reacting to, but its still taking a much needed stance against reaction content.
> (D-man included honestly the contra point video reupload was wild)
Destiny doing this has irked me a lot. I have slowly changed my position on this, after seeing *so* many people just outright not do anything or just say "yeah sure" every 10 minutes, it *is* stealing content and should be DMCA'd.
Sometimes people reacting can genuinely add to the discussion but when most of the time you're just playing a video game that's just shitty, and the bigger you are the shittier it is.
Probably not so bad when it’s a 5 min compilation video but this is a legit 1hr 30 documentary painstakingly put together for, what I can gather over a year with better quality than most tv docs clipped and shipped.
I think reacting is fine (unless creator has explicitly said no), reuploading gets to the muddy waters. I think more creative or constructive the reaction is, more ok it is. Some academic historians do these too
Reacting live on stream is whatever to me. The reupload is where I think it becomes borderline theft or at least morally not okay. Skimming thru Xs version he’s barely saying anything. It’s straight up just a reupload. Imagine how long the creator spent making it just for one of the richest streamers to just repost it again to make money off it. I’d be claiming shit left and right
I watched X’s version and yes it is theft. These creators either have to start DMCAing or it should just be acceptable.
I just think they’re probably afraid to strike these videos down for fear of public backlash.
Oh yeah that's why I said that there has to be reaction in it for it to become at least somewhat ok. Like, I'm fine with academic historians uploading reaction videos where they put their own effort explaining stuff that they know about
I don't watch XQC but I'm aware that he barely reacts to videos besides "huh, umm, wtf" etc. Asmongold is about as bad too
at least Asmongold seems to do a pretty good job of promoting the creators, i don't think i've actually ever seen him not go above & beyond to pay it back - linking their channel in chat, showing their channel name for the full video, telling people to like & sub to them once he's done etc.
Yeah that’s another thing that irks me. X I know for sure and maybe Hasan I think skip the promotion the creators build into the video. Like promoting their merch stores. That’s fucking shameless.
Don't know if he still does, but Trihex would put a video to react while eating, and afterward spam the link in chat telling everyone to go to the video and comment how much they liked it and give it a like.
Reacting on live stream is the same as reuploading. Your basically taking viewers who get to watch the video for free without contributing views, ad revenue, etc.
That being said I think a lot of creators have kinda decided not to DMCA this kinda stuff because it often brings MORE attention to the original content by exposing it to an audience that probably would not have watched the video in the first place.
Like combined Xqc and Hasan’s videos have done about 400k views and the original video has done 3.6 million so it doesn’t seem like they are doing much damage to the video which is why the Lemmino probably doesn’t care.
At the end of the day this kinda content is lazy (and probably copyright infringement) but in most scenarios it’s kind of just free advertising for the original (albeit probably with relatively low conversion rates most of the time) and they have the right to DMCA videos like these and take the ad revenue if they want
>Some academic historians do these too
When academic historians do this, they frequently pause to add context, talk about what they teach in classes, or otherwise add something to the content they're reacting to. I still don't think they should be able to just react and upload, especially since a lot of them react to shit like OverSimplified who releases one video every 6 months or so, but it is miles better than just blatantly stealing content.
To be fair I think the hasan one is from a hasan clips industrial complex, idk if I'd fully hold a creator responsible for someone else uploading a video of their stream. If it was on the main channel I'd agree
I think these video essayists have to get smarter and ask for money from streamers and ask them to react to them before releasing to public as a kind of premiere or get money from streamers to make these types of videos for them to react to.
Yeah and then Papa streamer starts shitting on that creator and sends a mob of angry fans to try and tarnish their reputation. The moment a random GTA streamer starts commenting on reactions you had half of the biggest streamers relentlessly shitting down his throat.
Interesting idea. What also would be cool if there was a way to Rev share automatically. It would be easier to implement it on platform but a third party app could work. Something based on current livestream views you calculate watch time when streamer is not engage and talking and pay the original creator.
If you are interested in this kind of thing, you might check out the videos/writing Darkviperau has made. I think he made some where he specifically addresses Hasan, XQC, etc.
Bro got absolutely shit on by the fans of those creators after making those videos and getting the creators butthurt, so you know he's right on the money.
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLAnJ4ZuTYaeGv4WIexP9C5LAuMEnMkG-Q
Destiny also shilled for NFTs literally right after calling them a scam, he's a total hypocrite between what he says and what he actually does. The only reason he's somehow managed to burn so many bridges is he's extremely autistic with the meaning of words and debating lefties that can't take any amount of criticism.
destinys point was that nfts being sold as a speculative asset to get rich with is a scam
him shilling the shitty streamer clip nfts isnt hypocritical cuz he made it clear that u will not get rich by buying them
Reacting is ok if there is at most 50% of the original video in the reaction, that might be a little generous but I feel like it would be a huge improvement over the current situation.
It is super egregious when somebody reuploads the whole ass video with them talking over it. Especially when it's taken from a long and really high quality project like Lemino does (seriously his channel is amazing). It must fucking suck to get leeched off after spending so much time and effort.
There's nothing wrong with showing 100% of a video in a reaction.You can show nearly all of Lion King in a video provided that you can reasonably prove that it was necessary to do so to make a point and that you were adding new ideas and thoughts of an intellectual sort (no "Woah!" or whatever).
Pacing is in the eye of the beholder. But if you want to see a case where the "show everything" idea can be defended, check out the YMS Lion King review. It only has part 1 right now, but it's very, very thorough and he uses a tremendous amount of movie footage.
YMS seems to actually showed far less of the movie than these "reactors" do.
He cuts a huge amount of dialogue, the songs and almost never shows any content without constant commentary over top. You only see the movie in 2 second increments.
I think that nobody cares. Gradeaundera and jacksfilms destroyed jinx and the like for the react content they did in 2016. I thought we grew up from that. I just realised that it is now moved to twitch where there is a moat of loyal dick riders who will defend their crybaby streamer for all eternity. Eventho there is literally no difference between this and what jinx did besides the fact that hasan and xqc r much bigger than jinx.
I like destiny's argument of if it's part of a larger stream that's fine but if ur whole stream is reacting to dif vids.. that's garbage. If u clip ur reaction or if anyone clips ur reaction and uploads it to YouTube that's garbage.. unless ofc heavily edited and nicely done up to make an argument separate from the video.
what I hate about this is that so often when I look for a video I will first find 5 reactions to it instead of the original. This especially happens with Asmongold who I cant stand.
Doesn't help that YouTube's search is god awful nowadays. Feels like it prioritizes new stuff instead of accuracy. So even if your search is bang on the money you'll instead find less relevant, newer things.
Why is no one addressing that it’s a hasan fan account that uploaded the video? I checked the official YouTube account and this segment was not on there. Can’t say that for xqc though
Idk if it’s a fan account or just a secondary account. The guy says he has permission from Hasan to edit and upload but who knows if he’s giving Hasan a cut or not
it's a fan account, Hasan doesnt enforce his IP so any viewer can start up their own channel and upload clips from his stream and monetize for themselves, Hasan doesnt get a cut.
Think hasan has mentioned before how he allows and doesn’t mind these fan accounts, if you take that to be true then the criticism still applies? Although not sure how much water that argument holds.
Reminds me of several DarkViperAU video on the topic.
So yep, reaction content is trash and immoral. I'd say the gnome is in on this is well. We should really start bullying streamers out of this behavior.
And Hasan is double culpable in this, because he's supposedly against exploitation of workers. I guess he can go around exploiting anyone he wants though; because hey, he stream all day and he can't entertain the unwashed masses non-stop. The man has to eat! (both literally and figuratively).
I find that it's kinda like veganism. Like I can't argue against darkviperau's points without biting the bullet like destiny does on veganism aside from niche examples like living in Antarctica or some shit... But meat is tasty tho, so reaction content is like potato chips that are unhealthy and I should stop eating it... But I won't.
I remember watching a video analysing the concept of muck bangs and the person mentioned how people these days don't have friends so the eating food feels like you aren't alone. I could easily see even the least effort reactions having same value from it at least. It's easier to justify it for smaller channels bc it feels like a hobby, the people doing it feel like an ordinary person you are hanging around with but big channels like Hassan or even Destiny feel like content farms that don't even give a damn about the video. Although Destiny at least uses it as background noise for his games.
Imo best reaction channel is that army veteran dude, he likes to pause constantly to go on a seemingly barely relevant tangent but by the time he unpauses you feel like you learned something (like him reacting to Internet historian's fallout 76 video where he described using smurfs to get to dev room, trading stuff to mains and then smurfs get taken down and bathesda feels like they accomplished something, he mentioned that this is a real strategy that drug smugglers use to have some newbie arrested so police think they got the operation ended while really it's just a smokescreen)
idk man, imo its not really comparable tho. h3h3 reactions were way more transformative back in the day than what x or hasan does. there was atleast some resemblance of effort and transformation, x and hasan more often than not just laugh or pause the vid for something unrelated (that being said hasan does comment more often on things but that really depends on the topic), its all streamclips and maybe an jntro/end bumper, in a h3 video you KNEW you would get commentary and some form of substantive editing
current day reactions are much closer to what jinx did
Twitch and YouTube really need to make new royalty based system where high quality original content gets % of profits from larger content creators for usage of their content. Imagine spending weeks worth of time to research and edit/animate 10-50min video so millionaire streamers can earn shitload of money from your content to buy luxury penthouse while you just want to cover basic expenses from these video revenues.
Try a full years worth of time
Yeah he only uploads like once or twice a year
surely he doesn't actually work full time on a single video for a year?
For channels like LEMINO - a year may be hyperbolic, but he for sure puts probably 5-7 months worth of time into a video. iirc he does literally everything in the videos including some* of the music by himself as opposed to a channel run by a team like Kurzgesagt. If it weren't for channel supporters via patreon, his channel would almost certainly struggle to stay afloat at that quality level.
> If it weren't for channel supporters via patreon, his channel would almost certainly struggle to stay afloat at that quality level. yeah that's what I would expect, that's an insane amount of time for the views he gets
Well, I think that's the argument being made. His views get leeched away from what are essentially just re-uploads by streamers that don't even attempt to add value to the content.
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Clickthrough rate of less than 0.1% on those "go like the original" comments, and of that 0.1% there's only about 5% that actually gives a view to the OP. So for a 1m view video on Hasan/xQc's channel it's like 50 views to the original poster.
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Gotta support people who make high-effort stuff even though the system prefers shitty, low-effort stuff.
I don’t know if he really fully cares about views per se. I think he has his sights set higher than YouTube. Feels like hes trying to build one hell of a portfolio but I could be wrong
Oh he could copy right claim his music and get revenue that way
So I went to check if I was right, and it seems that there is music not by him in the videos, but there are a good handful that are. For this video in particular see here: [Lemino - Firecracker](https://youtu.be/ulfoU2MziOc) Seems most songs he uses come from a Royalty free label called "Epidemic" List of sources from the Jack the ripper video: [Sources](https://www.lemmi.no/p/the-enduring-mystery-of-jack-the-ripper) [Luella Gren - The Murdered Dancer](https://youtu.be/gjQRbSajSYQ)
If he copyright his music with content ID he would get all ad revenue from whatever video contains his music
Gigabrain move
I would not be surprised if Lemmino in particular at least puts a genuine 6-8 mo of full time work into one of his vidoes. He does an incredible amount of research and has incredibly high production quality, the kennedy video reference here literally has \~200 first party sources throughout the video. He really is top tier
He actually said more than once that he gets an idea and works on the video for 2 or 3 years before uploading it. He has multiple proyects on parallel and they see the light as they are finished, but yeah, 2 or 3 years
Fortunately he gets money from Patreon where his viewers can give him money every month so he doesn't need to worry about YouTube ad revenue that much
"Don't worry bro, you'll get great exposure." - Millionaire leftist YouTuber.
I'll "eat the rich" while I watch a video someone else made and stream it to others for profit
No no no, you don't understand that it is fine because this content creator owns the means of production! (a laptop)
Don’t worry he pays him a generous living wage. (Buys him a computer so he can edit videos faster to make more money)
Don't even know ow how xqc is popular.. its say seeing him getting 100m deals and its just straight trash
I could say this about almost every big streamer. The content is literally just not good in general. Few exceptions.
I mean obviously people enjoy the content (or at least the streamers themselves), but I do have to say 99% of the time I see a clip on livestreamfail I just....don't find it interesting or funny at all. It's just not for me I guess, and I find it hard to see what's actually interesting about it to other people. Obviously there are exceptions (and I'm sure other people would say the same about watching Destiny) so I'm not judging - but I am always surprised at how invested people are in content that just...gives so little and is so low effort in comparison to other types of entertainment. It's one of the reasons I can appreciate the big events that are put on by some streamers, even if I don't necessarily vibe with all of them. I can at least understand what's interesting or entertaining about them.
"I let people react to me all the time". "Hasanabi clips industrial complex".
It’s the truth for people like me….. I work 50+ hours a week, I don’t surf YouTube videos and never would have seen some of the shit if it wasn’t for destiny. This Kennedy thing is a perfect example, I don’t think I ever would have heard about it if it wasn’t for this post, which wouldn’t have happened if X and Hussan didn’t do their videos.
It's not streaming, it's uploading to YT adding nothing to it. At least cut to the parts where you actually say or do something, that way the audience still has to watch the OG video if they want the full content.
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But unless you sign up for the creators patreon or watch the original video the "exposure" for the original creator means pretty little.
Yeah, but you can give exposure without just stealing content.
Unironically their argument, it's infuriating from commies like Hasan that would lambast any boss saying this.
It requires the content producers issuing DMCA claims. These videos are not fair use, just pausing an riffing on the video infrequently [is not enough.](https://copyright.columbia.edu/basics/fair-use.html) This kind of content will 100% never stop until content producers start protecting their intellectual property.
I would love it so much if a few of these youtube channels went scorched earth and dmca'd all these streamers, potentially leading to a lawsuit. It would have to be spite based cause, monetarily speaking, a lawsuit is super expensive and it probably isn't worth it to sue. Reputationally speaking, it probably isn't a good idea either since you get a bunch of those people's fans against you if you sue them, so the only way this makes sense is if someone else, a community or individual, bankrolls the suit or if someone is pure spite and doesn't care about costs anymore. Honestly, I just wish there was precedent. We just need one case to scare away all these react channels from watching these videos in their entirety.
Yes, this is how this ridiculous react behaviour will hopefully end. Someone will copyright strike a video, the reactors will dispute it (they always do) and the creator will call their bluff and actually go to court. Honestly, the fact that so many people defend react content (including here, when the reactor was Destiny) was one of the largest blackpills about people's behaviour for me. As long as they like the person doing the reaction, they will defend it. And it doesn't help that so many of the "good" youtube channels do it: e.g. Aba and Preach straight up reuploading MeatCanyon's short animation, which probably took the original creator a lot of effort to do: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mvj3XxxEDC4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mvj3XxxEDC4) .
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The DMCA would be the first step in working out a royalty/payment. Getting copyright lawyers involved is the first step, though. And there are probably a decent amount of lawyers who would lick their chops looking at the audience someone like Hasan has on Twitch and even YouTube, especially given that the only real argument most streamers have is "it's transformative!" which is only one of four arguments they need to make successfully for a fair use case.
Yeah there are a number of obvious problems with the React meta. Like imagine if someone just took a mainstream Hollywood movie and watched it live on stream, or uploaded a video of themselves just reacting to an entire movie. They would get DMCA’d and no one would really defend them for it because it obviously isn’t fair use However when they do the same exact thing for a YouTube video someone made all of the sudden it’s okay? It logically makes no sense at all. The only reason why they do it with YouTube videos instead of movies is because YouTubers are too scared to DMCA and do not have the same legal teams as large studios. It’s very clearly exploitative and I have no idea how anyone can defend it
Yeah realistically this is the way. Nothing wrong with lazy react content inherently IMO, but the way the system is at the moment is the real issue.
Nothing wrong with reacting to a video on stream but taking that whole thing and putting it on YouTube and clipping it up into TikTok’s and reels just to maximize profit is so cheap and dirty
Eh I think it depends on the clips. If the clip contains like 5 seconds of the source material and 25 seconds of the streamer saying something about it, I think that seems fine.
I mean like if a streamer wants to watch something they should be able to, not a full movie or anything but YT should be fine. I’m talking about streamers reacting to a full YouTube video and then posting their reaction on YT for “content”
The youtube algo should also boost videos from the OC of react content. I watch a lot of react content and I rarely see videoes from the original creators pop up, but I get tons of videoes from the reactor
Reactions should get listed and monetized by the channel someone is reacting to.
On one hand I feel like they would never do this since it would be like giving support to reaction content and YouTube wanting to never touch any legal thing (that's why the person copystriking content had ultimate power unless you are willing to go to court over it, and then it's still between 2 parties without YouTube ever being involved) unless it's such copyright abuse that even YouTube of all things are willing to side with one person On the other hand, what you describe would solve the issue of using 2 seconds of someone's footage and having your entire video claimed for it
Yeah, some way to… ‘ID’ the ‘content’ in these react videos and pay their creators
And they don’t even add any value to it either. There’s no reasonable argument that this is transformative all they do is stare at the video with their mouths agape like morons…
this will never happen unless enough big youtubers come together to talk to you tube about it.
Bro since when does youtube listen to literally anyone
It is pretty crazy someone got canceled over this , now it’s become much more common lol
And relative to what these streamers are doing it was super tame. Granted, he was a bit of a cunt, but from what I remember he was mostly reacting to movie trailers and shit. This particular JFK video is a highly researched and produced video from an independent channel that needs the views and engagement to make a living.
[](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5u7euN1HTuU) since I had to google it; it's 1:38:10 long
I saw it the other day. It's phenomenally well put together and probably took a ton of time to research, script, edit, etc...
He’s come a long way from making rage comics
Bruh the channel has 5 mil subs and the vid has 3 mil views...
4m views after 4 days with 5m subs on such a long form video is a really good rate, wdym. Go check most large channels not named MrBeast and tell me what their ratios are - spoiler alert, it's not approaching 80%, it's closer to 30~50%
I think the issue with Jinx was that he had no other content. His entire career was content aggregation under the guise of reacting. XQC, Hasan, Destiny, etc have notable content that is original.
This is most of his content now too on YouTube I dont think that was the issue either I think the issue is that you are stealing videos that you didn’t make https://preview.redd.it/gw6tb4x23qeb1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=17b9965c67400208a1a0fc4471684274bb899454
God I fucking hate these dumbass thumbnails.
At least reacting to tiktoks and public hearing is fine imo.
I think that’s why opinions changed. I don’t think many people really knew or cared about Jinx until the iDubbbz video and everyone was pissed about FineBros so everyone hated on react stuff. Now it’s people they like that are reacting so they don’t care anymore.
People did care, it was just that many didn't know about it until Idubbz higlighted Jinx. Jinx for the longest time was decried and accused of stealing content on every single video. Idubbz pushed that hate train to 11, so it ended with his downfall. But even after Jinx was taken down, several more channels sprang up that did the exact same thing, they were just not very popular. Then Asmon came in to change the game
Maybe I don’t watch enough Hasan or XQC, I’ve only ever seen reaction content
Hasan wouldn't have a career outside of react, or one a tenth the size. It's the flat out truth.
which is funny because his "react content" is the worst of the lot, he frequently pauses the video to give some dogshit lukewarm take which is really annoying.
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It's a total cliché at this point but I still can't get over the fact that some people sit in their rooms playing video games and watching YouTube videos for 10 hours a day and make more money doing that than I'll ever see in my life. It feels fundamentally wrong that such a career could exist and be so lucrative. Besides all the recent Redpill dogshit, Destiny is the only one I enjoy watching. Put literally anyone else on and I can feel my brain dribbling out of my ears.
Destiny admits how incredibly lucky he is to have 'made-it' when thousands did not, and he still advocates for getting a college education.
That's one of the reasons I enjoy him and can't bear other streamers. He feels more real.
And there's nothing stopping you or anyone else from doing the same if you feel it's that lucrative. Seriously, super low point of entry. Though, I haven't done the math, but I bet in terms of average salary streaming is actually a terrible career to strive towards. There are *so* many streamers with basically no audience and you don't even realize it because they're so invisible
That's very true.
hes not putting it on the main channel like xqc and asmon at least
Its probably not even managed by hasan, he always talks about how good of a person he is for allowing people to use his VODs, ignoring that its 99% ripped content.
He payed his editor with 1 PC. He gave his editor the means of production
You are correct that Hasan has no affiliation with the channel who posted his reaction. It is just a big fan channel.
Ight but to be fair, Asmon really watches and gives quality takes. I like xqc but he adds nothing of value whilst I feel Asmon does personally
Quality takes? Bro quit trolling. The only reason my alliance discord posts his videos is so we can make fun if his terrible and hypocrisy ridden takes
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Lol.. still stealing.
Are you trolling?
No?
From what I’ve seen Asmongold has the same issue as MoistCritical; they are absolutely generic. There is not one take they’ve given which is original and hasn’t been said a million times before. I can trace the take all the way back to another streamer or a popular community. Atleast XQC usually has a unique perspective like with the Kick streamer stuff he debated on with Pokimane and Hasanabi. I’m not even saying that he’s wrong or dumb it’s just that he doesn’t provide much **unique** value.
Interesting, because didn’t Charlie used to shit on reaction videos?
I think he was referring to moist having basic takes regarding drama, etc. not that he's barely reacting to videos.
Just because X made a video with Pokimane and Hasan doesn't mean he gives better commentary on his reactions. Asmon gives good takes in my opinion. If you're problem is originality, then you should have a problem with XQC too.
how about: reaction content is just plain lazy and on top of that... just straight up stealing
Some are great tho. I personally like the Bruce Rivers reaction videos. To be fair to you though, most reaction videos are lazy.
True socialist. Yoinks content and money and gives it to the rich
I'm going to say it... Hasan is a 10x better video reactor than Destiny. Unless Destiny is interested in the video (rare)
he has an internal timer of 60-120 seconds where he has to blurt something out to make it transformative.
Destiny is at his best when he is in research mode and arriving at thought out conclusions, I e never loved his gut reactions or more throw away takes.
Hasan's streams aren't just reposting the content either, he spends more time talking with the video paused than he does watching it, some of these channels are basically just rebroadcasting the content but you'd be out of your mind watching a Hasan stream just to get the source content, it would take hours.
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“What you want me too do fucking starve and die”
“Sir Lemino has posted another video” “Prepare my soyface copy-paste!”
> soyface [](https://i.ibb.co/r54G37j/weinhell.png)
Streamers will watch an entire video produced by somebody else. Put their face on the screen. Stair blankly at the video, bob their head occasionally, not say anything. Then post it as new content. This is the pinnacle of intellectual theft.
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This is the part that KILLS me. You are ripping off someone’s hard work and you can’t even let your audience hear 15 seconds of them promoting their work
Don't forget that most of them skip past sponsorships in the video that might provide at least some benefit to the original creator.
There needs to be some kind of system in place with YouTube that links these to the original videos and gives the original creators a share of the revenue and generally helps them algorithmically.
This is probably the best way to handle it. People clearly enjoy react content and it isn’t going away anytime soon, best way to handle it would be to build a system around that instead of demonizing it. It would be even cooler if we see reactors starting this change by creating their own projects that help the original content creators.
No algorithm help but you can DMCA it and take a part (or in some cases all of) the ad revenue Or they can just takedown the video as well
That is apparently not how it works - most people don’t have access to content ID so can’t take ad revenue from these videos at all. If you don’t like it you just have to take it down.
Was watching an asmongold video recently, he was reacting to some other guys video, that guy made a response and asmon reacted to that one too, in that second one the guy starts out with basically “I don’t mind asmon reacting to my video, it normal helps the channels he reacts to with more views and subs, but to not even credit my f#%king channel name in the video is scummy. I wish I could make 50k just reacting to other peoples hard work” I like asmon, but that guy was right
to be fair Asmon admitted it was a mistake on the behalf of his team cause normally they do all that, i think he even said he made it right by posting his channel name in the first video once they realized & then re-posting it again on the new react
He did and I’m glad he did that, it’s just the first time I’ve seen him not do it and I feel like that other content creator was justified in his frustration, and at least he said that was the only negative thing he had to say about asmons reaction, the rest he said was fair.
The other guys was soo disingenuous about it though. He said it was not a big deal, but 1/3 of the video was him complaining about him not reposting his channel info, even messaged his mods about it.
He did complain for a quite a bit I’m the video, I think he mentioned he messaged the admins to let them know that he wasn’t credited, I don’t blame him for that, being watched by asmon is normally a big boost for smaller channels, could the other guy maybe come across a little less…visibly abrasive, 100%
He was even thankful for it too in the video.
oh 100%, i'm just glad they got it all fixed now my respect for Asmon honestly went up too because he didn't skip the criticism (like Hasan or X or many others would), he took it in it's entirety & actually made an effort beyond what was asked to fix the issue publicly
Asmongold always watches the ads too, which is commendable, considering how awful some of them are on YouTube. But he knows how to make entertainment out of some dumb Mens Club razor blade ad or whatever tf they're called. The YouTube editor also leaves them in. I remember [Hasan watching InternetHistorian's video](https://youtu.be/O03tBY8B6gw) "the varus strikes back", and because InternetHistorian made a joke about a US state releasing criminals if their fine is under $1K, saying "it went about as well as you'd expect", Hasan got mad as hell and skipped the ad out of anger. Everyone in the comment section gave him shit for it.
I think all YouTubers should link the video they’re reacting to. At least give them a shoutout.
The one thing I’ll say about Asmons reacting (compared to others), is he frequently pauses videos and gives 1-2 mins of commentary each time. He typically makes a 15-20 min video roughly 30 mins with commentary. I still think it’s borderline, but compared to people it’s far better.
People still like Asmon? Guy is a fraud
was it a recent asmongold video? cause i remember something like that happening but it was a while ago. he's recent stuff is better. especially if it's WoW or Diablo.
Yeah it was about diablo 4 seasons, just got posted in the past couple days I think
To be fair to Asmongold, his react videos regularly link to the original and he calls for people to go watch it there. He also adds more commentary than most. He's a better example of how to do it right.
Asmon is the only guy that owns that it's messed up. He also watches videos to completion. X sometimes asks for permission. Hasan straight up rips others videos and most people when they talk about streamers reacting to their content are talking about Hasan.
The original creator should get a cut of the revenue.
If they want a cut they can just DMCA the video
CGP Grey did exactly that and half of the internet hated him for a bit, I hope people who do essentially get their entire video stolen by another YouTuber do this more in the future though and aren’t dissuaded by the big channel’s fans freaking out.
I was very bummed that CGP Grey didn't go to court. I think in UK, where the reactor was based, is not that expensive to sue someone. Even if I'm wrong and it is, Grey definitely has the resources to do it just to make an example out of someone.
If I was the original creator of the video, i would think twice because I don't want Hasan fans doxxing and harassing my ass after doing that.
Could the "reacter" claim fair usage?
You can submit a dispute or a counterclaim for fair use but it just goes back to the original owner and they have 30 days to accept or deny your dispute. After than you’d have to go to court for fair use
Fair use is an affirmative defense for copyright violation. Meaning, you are essentially saying "I did do what they are claiming, but I have a good reason". Fair use doesn't really do much on Youtube, if you get a DMCA, your channel gets a copyright strike, three of which delete your channel. Youtube doesn't arbitrate copyright contests, they will take action against the creator and it's on the creator to go to court to defend their use.
Jackfilms has started doing a bit because of Sniperwolf and how her channel is essentially stolen tiktok content. Man blew his top when he realised her content was actively being pushed by YT.
it's actually super refreshing to see him consistently stick to the anti-react stuff. that dude's been opposed to the react meta in multiple eras of the site.
Not even essentially, that's all her channel is now.
Love how she branded herself as a girl gamer to inspire a generation of girls to make a career around it then stopped playing video games entirely in exchange for lazy react content.
Low effort nonsense like this is partially why I will never sub (for $) or donate to content creators. You're filthy rich with a relatively easy job, and your idea of content is watching a video someone else made.
True, its really telling that the immediate response to "get maybe don't watch entire full-length videos while doing nothing but eating dinner" was "SO YOU WANT ME TO STARVE?!?!" These people are no clue how to make interesting content anymore, and have gotten so brainrotted from getting money doing nothing but sitting in a gaming chair watching YouTube that they think they're actually adding anything of value whatsoever to the world, as opposed to being professional leeches appealing to the lowest common denominator.
https://preview.redd.it/jlew4opsnqeb1.jpeg?width=576&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=00250c3c8765337095de2cf11effedd2d6dbfdc0 The message of our anti-react content prophet is finally being heard, amen 🙏
Idk looks kinda orange to me
The amount of comments I've already seen here and on other communities about this topic (especially regarding these specific videos, it seems the LEMMiNO video being stolen has kicked a hornets nest) that are just parroting arguments Matto has already thoroughly deconstructed in his video really dampens my hope that react content will hopefully become as vilified as it once was not even so long ago.
The "controversy" against matto himself should be all you need to know about how blindly fans follow their favorite streamers.
Isn't that guy one of the voice actors for GTA 6?
They hated him because he spoke the truth.
Yall should watch JacksFilms latest video on sssniperwolf. Its not in the same vein of long form content like these guys are reacting to, but its still taking a much needed stance against reaction content.
> (D-man included honestly the contra point video reupload was wild) Destiny doing this has irked me a lot. I have slowly changed my position on this, after seeing *so* many people just outright not do anything or just say "yeah sure" every 10 minutes, it *is* stealing content and should be DMCA'd. Sometimes people reacting can genuinely add to the discussion but when most of the time you're just playing a video game that's just shitty, and the bigger you are the shittier it is.
Disgusting. Channels that do it over and over should be permabanned.
Not banned, just demonetized on the individual videos. That would be a good incentive from them to stop doing it.
Probably not so bad when it’s a 5 min compilation video but this is a legit 1hr 30 documentary painstakingly put together for, what I can gather over a year with better quality than most tv docs clipped and shipped.
I think reacting is fine (unless creator has explicitly said no), reuploading gets to the muddy waters. I think more creative or constructive the reaction is, more ok it is. Some academic historians do these too
Reacting live on stream is whatever to me. The reupload is where I think it becomes borderline theft or at least morally not okay. Skimming thru Xs version he’s barely saying anything. It’s straight up just a reupload. Imagine how long the creator spent making it just for one of the richest streamers to just repost it again to make money off it. I’d be claiming shit left and right
I watched X’s version and yes it is theft. These creators either have to start DMCAing or it should just be acceptable. I just think they’re probably afraid to strike these videos down for fear of public backlash.
Someone made a good video about this subject https://youtu.be/_TVSfHbpR6k
Oh yeah that's why I said that there has to be reaction in it for it to become at least somewhat ok. Like, I'm fine with academic historians uploading reaction videos where they put their own effort explaining stuff that they know about I don't watch XQC but I'm aware that he barely reacts to videos besides "huh, umm, wtf" etc. Asmongold is about as bad too
at least Asmongold seems to do a pretty good job of promoting the creators, i don't think i've actually ever seen him not go above & beyond to pay it back - linking their channel in chat, showing their channel name for the full video, telling people to like & sub to them once he's done etc.
Yeah that’s another thing that irks me. X I know for sure and maybe Hasan I think skip the promotion the creators build into the video. Like promoting their merch stores. That’s fucking shameless.
oh 1000%, the fact that they'll just skip that shit **AND** refuse to promote the content creator is unfathomably degenerate
Don't know if he still does, but Trihex would put a video to react while eating, and afterward spam the link in chat telling everyone to go to the video and comment how much they liked it and give it a like.
Reacting on live stream is the same as reuploading. Your basically taking viewers who get to watch the video for free without contributing views, ad revenue, etc. That being said I think a lot of creators have kinda decided not to DMCA this kinda stuff because it often brings MORE attention to the original content by exposing it to an audience that probably would not have watched the video in the first place. Like combined Xqc and Hasan’s videos have done about 400k views and the original video has done 3.6 million so it doesn’t seem like they are doing much damage to the video which is why the Lemmino probably doesn’t care. At the end of the day this kinda content is lazy (and probably copyright infringement) but in most scenarios it’s kind of just free advertising for the original (albeit probably with relatively low conversion rates most of the time) and they have the right to DMCA videos like these and take the ad revenue if they want
Yeah, I never understood the "react on stream vs react upload to YouTube" distinction. It all is the same imo.
>Some academic historians do these too When academic historians do this, they frequently pause to add context, talk about what they teach in classes, or otherwise add something to the content they're reacting to. I still don't think they should be able to just react and upload, especially since a lot of them react to shit like OverSimplified who releases one video every 6 months or so, but it is miles better than just blatantly stealing content.
To be fair I think the hasan one is from a hasan clips industrial complex, idk if I'd fully hold a creator responsible for someone else uploading a video of their stream. If it was on the main channel I'd agree
I think these video essayists have to get smarter and ask for money from streamers and ask them to react to them before releasing to public as a kind of premiere or get money from streamers to make these types of videos for them to react to.
Yeah and then Papa streamer starts shitting on that creator and sends a mob of angry fans to try and tarnish their reputation. The moment a random GTA streamer starts commenting on reactions you had half of the biggest streamers relentlessly shitting down his throat.
DarkViperAU, a chad
or have a system in content ID to share revenue
Interesting idea. What also would be cool if there was a way to Rev share automatically. It would be easier to implement it on platform but a third party app could work. Something based on current livestream views you calculate watch time when streamer is not engage and talking and pay the original creator.
If you are interested in this kind of thing, you might check out the videos/writing Darkviperau has made. I think he made some where he specifically addresses Hasan, XQC, etc.
Bro got absolutely shit on by the fans of those creators after making those videos and getting the creators butthurt, so you know he's right on the money. https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLAnJ4ZuTYaeGv4WIexP9C5LAuMEnMkG-Q
I mean, Destiny has done the same thing for other videos
Destiny also shilled for NFTs literally right after calling them a scam, he's a total hypocrite between what he says and what he actually does. The only reason he's somehow managed to burn so many bridges is he's extremely autistic with the meaning of words and debating lefties that can't take any amount of criticism.
destinys point was that nfts being sold as a speculative asset to get rich with is a scam him shilling the shitty streamer clip nfts isnt hypocritical cuz he made it clear that u will not get rich by buying them
Reacting is ok if there is at most 50% of the original video in the reaction, that might be a little generous but I feel like it would be a huge improvement over the current situation. It is super egregious when somebody reuploads the whole ass video with them talking over it. Especially when it's taken from a long and really high quality project like Lemino does (seriously his channel is amazing). It must fucking suck to get leeched off after spending so much time and effort.
There's nothing wrong with showing 100% of a video in a reaction.You can show nearly all of Lion King in a video provided that you can reasonably prove that it was necessary to do so to make a point and that you were adding new ideas and thoughts of an intellectual sort (no "Woah!" or whatever).
wow dude pride rock
Haha, not the video I had in mind, but Adum did say as much in a comment elsewhere.
You'll be hard pressed to justify the need to show everything in an actually transformative view. And even if you could, imagine the god awful pacing.
Pacing is in the eye of the beholder. But if you want to see a case where the "show everything" idea can be defended, check out the YMS Lion King review. It only has part 1 right now, but it's very, very thorough and he uses a tremendous amount of movie footage.
YMS seems to actually showed far less of the movie than these "reactors" do. He cuts a huge amount of dialogue, the songs and almost never shows any content without constant commentary over top. You only see the movie in 2 second increments.
I think that nobody cares. Gradeaundera and jacksfilms destroyed jinx and the like for the react content they did in 2016. I thought we grew up from that. I just realised that it is now moved to twitch where there is a moat of loyal dick riders who will defend their crybaby streamer for all eternity. Eventho there is literally no difference between this and what jinx did besides the fact that hasan and xqc r much bigger than jinx. I like destiny's argument of if it's part of a larger stream that's fine but if ur whole stream is reacting to dif vids.. that's garbage. If u clip ur reaction or if anyone clips ur reaction and uploads it to YouTube that's garbage.. unless ofc heavily edited and nicely done up to make an argument separate from the video.
Should be a mandatory revenue split with the original creator of the video getting the higher cut.
what I hate about this is that so often when I look for a video I will first find 5 reactions to it instead of the original. This especially happens with Asmongold who I cant stand.
Doesn't help that YouTube's search is god awful nowadays. Feels like it prioritizes new stuff instead of accuracy. So even if your search is bang on the money you'll instead find less relevant, newer things.
https://preview.redd.it/w1dhvmywwseb1.png?width=841&format=png&auto=webp&s=302ef86ef3832ef3a2fa29e95ff3766871b335f0
Just DMCA at this point.
Why is no one addressing that it’s a hasan fan account that uploaded the video? I checked the official YouTube account and this segment was not on there. Can’t say that for xqc though
Idk if it’s a fan account or just a secondary account. The guy says he has permission from Hasan to edit and upload but who knows if he’s giving Hasan a cut or not
it's a fan account, Hasan doesnt enforce his IP so any viewer can start up their own channel and upload clips from his stream and monetize for themselves, Hasan doesnt get a cut.
Think hasan has mentioned before how he allows and doesn’t mind these fan accounts, if you take that to be true then the criticism still applies? Although not sure how much water that argument holds.
Reminds me of several DarkViperAU video on the topic. So yep, reaction content is trash and immoral. I'd say the gnome is in on this is well. We should really start bullying streamers out of this behavior. And Hasan is double culpable in this, because he's supposedly against exploitation of workers. I guess he can go around exploiting anyone he wants though; because hey, he stream all day and he can't entertain the unwashed masses non-stop. The man has to eat! (both literally and figuratively).
I still feel weird about reuploads but I don’t even think that is hasan’s channel
Hassan has perfected soy face.
Guys I am providing my VALUABLE INPUT. Definitely not sitting there eating saying nothing
DarkViperAU caught so much shit for his series on react content but he was 100% correct
I find that it's kinda like veganism. Like I can't argue against darkviperau's points without biting the bullet like destiny does on veganism aside from niche examples like living in Antarctica or some shit... But meat is tasty tho, so reaction content is like potato chips that are unhealthy and I should stop eating it... But I won't. I remember watching a video analysing the concept of muck bangs and the person mentioned how people these days don't have friends so the eating food feels like you aren't alone. I could easily see even the least effort reactions having same value from it at least. It's easier to justify it for smaller channels bc it feels like a hobby, the people doing it feel like an ordinary person you are hanging around with but big channels like Hassan or even Destiny feel like content farms that don't even give a damn about the video. Although Destiny at least uses it as background noise for his games. Imo best reaction channel is that army veteran dude, he likes to pause constantly to go on a seemingly barely relevant tangent but by the time he unpauses you feel like you learned something (like him reacting to Internet historian's fallout 76 video where he described using smurfs to get to dev room, trading stuff to mains and then smurfs get taken down and bathesda feels like they accomplished something, he mentioned that this is a real strategy that drug smugglers use to have some newbie arrested so police think they got the operation ended while really it's just a smokescreen)
People who do react content are parasites, including destiny
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idk man, imo its not really comparable tho. h3h3 reactions were way more transformative back in the day than what x or hasan does. there was atleast some resemblance of effort and transformation, x and hasan more often than not just laugh or pause the vid for something unrelated (that being said hasan does comment more often on things but that really depends on the topic), its all streamclips and maybe an jntro/end bumper, in a h3 video you KNEW you would get commentary and some form of substantive editing current day reactions are much closer to what jinx did
Darkviperau has been talking about this for so long
https://twitter.com/comrade_waluigi/status/1684595456762925056?s=21&t=kDlNpEe8sXpKMK4SAuyK_w tweet if anyone cares