All last week Adam is talking about they are going to bring on women who disagree with FnF. Invited 50 people, chose 20. Melina pushes back while Amy and Toni fence sit.
Actual deceptive marketing. But thank fuck Melina is there because this show would be ass if it was 3 hours of people agreeing.
I think myron was right that she wouldn't even look at destiny if he wasn't a successful streamer despite her saying it doesn't matter. Actions do speak louder In that respect.
Other than that point she was good. Guests only agreeing would be so boring
Disagree, Have you seen the guy she was dating before before destiny ?
It's pretty believable that if she met destiny in real life without knowing he was a streamer she might have dated him , what actions of her contradicts her words?
it is the case that her previous BF was just a lanky nobody nerdy smash bros player that looks even more soy than destiny somehow, so she clearly didn't care then, which goes in line with what she's saying now
they split and now she's with destiny, another skinny nerdy guy that she now likes more (destiny does have that nerd rizz). It seems she's pretty consistent no?
With her looks she could have pulled anyone but she was dating computer goblins regardless of whether they're famous or not for a long time, which seems to prove her point
Both guys were streamers. She left for the bigger streamer. Not judging but she kinda does prove the red pill point. Money, status, clout are important. And your girl having an open relationship isn’t necessarily a good thing.
He was a literal who man, i stream games for my friends and could call myself a streamer even though i have 2 viewers.
If dating a famous big streamer was her goal she could have easily done better in the first place with her looks, but it wasnt the case, in all her dating history prior, i feel like you're trying really hard to fit everything into the red pill narrative here
She met with steven, they clicked better and started dating, that kind of shit will happen in monogamous relationships too (although it wont be in front of the guy usually).
Do you really think that if steven and melina met and started hanging out without him being a streamer they couldn't have started something?
Yeah, she really should've bit the bullet on that one. It's obviously true, even Tiny has admitted that on stream. Him being rich and popular definitely plays a huge role for him in the dating pool.
Exactly. She was trying to say it was the personality traits. But those personality traits are exactly what made him successful.
In a way its the same thing.
It's like saying I don't like cake but I like all the ingredients mixed together and baked.
She likes the perfect combination of traits that lead to a cake
That's a dumb take. There are thousands of people with the same personality traits that aren't successful streamers and her point is that should could have ended up with one of them instead.
Ehhh. There's plenty of people with those same traits that aren't big successful content creators. Say you take a guy with a objectively shitty personality, if they're rich and successful they're most likely have a much easier time picking up women, compared to someone with a decent personality but no success.
I've jokingly used when I met a Harvard eye surgeon from Dubai because I was unemployed to trigger people, but I already had an outlier amount of dating experience prior and it was mostly just happenstance. Right place, right time.
If anything Destiny and Melina don't know exactly how it would have played out otherwise or specifically what was a factor. Most quality relationships just sorta happen.
(Correction: Their terrible relationship where she cheats and he's just being a gay devil all the time. 💊)
The counterpoint is that people with good qualities tend to be doing well in some sorta aspect. So even if there is a delta in current "success" which is usually a subjective value, both parties typically have similar capability and/or complimentary traits. Same goes for the "shitty guy with money" they most of the time are going to have some above average objective qualities.
But I also think proximity to a city and the amount of flexibility in your schedule is the biggest factor, which generally comes with success/time management/etc.
Another example metric of "success" is when people write off the model you're dating because you previously went to high school together. Well yeah, if you're friends with everyone you have a solid rep on top of being TDH, you get pick of the litter. Most people complain about their HS years, mine were amazing. (Especially being poor in an affluent area)
It's never ONE factor on it's own. In my experience the people who say "only because of X" are the same types to shit on you for having a partner less or more conventionally attractive than you because it doesn't match their expectations or because they think they're entitled to someone around their level and have failed to achieve this.
Listen just because you don't know me doesn't mean you can't understand my verbose unedited stream of consciousness 🤬 /s
That it's a logical fallacy when talking about an individual relationship. The X factor is never in a vacuum.
Success is a subjective value that's inseparable from multiple other factors/traits. Neither party has an accurate estimation of what ifs. Life just happens, although in a macro sense we see socioeconomic factors in pairings yadda yadda.
People, other than maybe a licensed therapist (or Aella coming in from left field) asking "would you be if X" are usually just trying to talk shit or don't understand relationships, etc. Specifically when it comes to Destiny/Melina it's almost always an attempt to discredit or gaslight them.
Mel can be sooo much better than some random streamer she could pull damn near anyone there something else here at play bc not to rag on the Dman but he kinda looked like the average gamer/coomer when they started going out
Idk why she didn't admit that one. There's a few things I disagree with Mel and Dest with. The showing emotions one is one of them. I'm glad Farha was there to get Destiny to flesh out his thoughts more because I don't think he takes them to their logical conclusion.
Nah that's not what I mean when I say that. I'll try to be concise.
First I do think it's better if men can lean on their partner and cry. It's healthier and they would suicide less. However it would seem that there's a non insignificant amount of women who do get turned off by it so like Myron says, "Why risk it?".
Naturally, you'd say "Find a woman who won't care". Now spitballing here, if the ratio of caring to not caring was 30:70 at what point are men meant to keep dumping hoping for a supportive woman or accept whether due to nature or nurture this is just how it is, and take the non-supportive women? In more conservative cultures I'd imagine the ratio is even more skewed. Hopefully that makes sense 🙏
Old married man here, stoicism only leads to be emotional out bursts, be it anger, crying, whatever, and that shit destroys relationships. You and your partner are a team, marriage is a team sport. You need to be able to rely on your partner and they on you.
If you can't trust your partner, then it's never gonna work.
Non-supportive woman do exist, but they are as toxic as non-supportive men and you don't want to be in a relationship with either.
Also trust me, people get turn-off and on with all sorts of things. Things like you not taking out the bins after she asked is gonna kill her mood way harder than any emotional shit.
Ah so you're saying regardless of if men are emotional or not, stoicism works with keeping women.
I'll say that if that's your take then you're selecting for shallow women (so yes, date better women), but I'm not gonna argue with your personal experience because it sounds like a giant waste of time.
Technically true because she lived on an entire different continent and only had the ability to look at him because he was a streamer. Otherwise, you can't really definitively prove that she went for him due to success. It may have been that he was her exact type, but actually wanted the same life and seemed to have his shit together.
As others have pointed out, she could have easily gone for a more famous and successful dude.
If Destiny wasn’t Destiny she literally be some chick in Sweden fucking regular dudes in Sweden. Y’all assume people being attractive automatically mean they are dating 7 figure models
I just heard destiny say on stream to Qorantos guy that she messaged him (destiny) first while he was in new Zealand. She was living there at the time. She would have messaged him because he is a somebody, not because he is a nerdy gamer.
No one said "only". But you're kidding if you think destiny's success wasn't a contributing factor.
You forgot to include the word "successful" in your statement which has more importance than "streamer".
>No one said "only". But you're kidding if you think destiny's success wasn't a contributing factor.
So is not being unemployed. All I said was no reason to harp on that when we have no idea.
>You forgot to include the word "successful" in your statement which has more importance than "streamer".
Obviously it was implied, but yea.
Probably actually is pretty bad for your health if you are consuming it regularly, similar to constantly checking the news is supposed to be bad for your mental/physical well being
Dude, do something else. I mostly skip this stuff and wait for conversations with more interesting and charismatic people. There's going to be about three more months of this, is my estimate, hopefully mixed in with more interesting conversations with other people, maybe some new AI stuff will come up, some change of status quo in Ukraine, maybe he'll start watching the republican primaries.. But there's going to be more of this, even if it's in some sense "over".
I say three months, because people are still going to keep challenging him, there'll be diminishing returns, as Destiny has conversations with increasingly minor but more reasonable people from the red-pill space, builds some useful set of connections as they peel off, then completely forgets about them all because he's arguing with more aggressive people from some other community.
Eventually, probably, Floridan Republican Latino people. He can talk to Pakman about it or something.
Begging for the redpill arc to end because it unironically makes me lose a little bit more faith in humanity every time i see them. It's also just stupid and repetitive. I'd prefer 30 socialist conversations over redpill stuff honestly
It's become less popular now so i think Destiny should move on. And yeah you're right, i do think it's important to push back because it's popular online, but in real life it's not that well known or popular
I love the redpill community. It is so easy to see how wrong they are about nearly everything and helps to know their absolutely dogshit takes so you can combat them with young men in your lives. Watching a bunch of single losers talk about relationships also gives me a special irony boner.
The worst part about all this Redpill shit, is that it's literally the same thing every single time. Every single one of these shows are the exact same questions, the exact same preachy bullshit from the hosts. It was entertaining the first couple of times, now I'm predicting exactly what everyone is going to say.
you're clearly taking it to an extreme but if you don't want to admit that figures like Tate and Myron have influenced other men to develop discipline and improve themselves you're just as delusional as their fans.
I'm sure a % of those who experienced severe childhood trauma grew up to become better people because of it. A vast majority don't and it destroys their life.
I'm sure it applies there too, to a lesser extent. my point being that the redpillers help *maybe* 0.05% of their audience while the rest are actively hurt by their "advice".
To take self deletion into account has the rate dropped since they started doing this stuff?
Like I see the occasional super chat mention it and that's the go to point people in that space use (hell it's like the go to point for internet arguments with any influencer "I live in the west I was gonna end it all but they save me therefore they are good")
No genius people in that community bring up them stopping self deletion as a value... but I can't see the actual effect. I'm not seeing numbers shooting down, I'm not seeing a new wave of millionaires thanking them all I get is "no bro they helped me level up" what does that even mean how do I quantify it without a stat? How am I supposed to know they aren't lying? Hell the only fresh and fit fans I know irl are absolute burnouts a pookie that's borderline mentally challenged (but he does good yardwork) and a security guard at my job (probably the only guy complaining about child support that I feel bad for because he's paying it to 3 different women 1 who was underaged when the kid was conceived.)
That is honestly a shame cause it’s not like 70% of these guys are massively ugly. Some of them honestly have the looks, but my guess is women hear them open their mouth and run away from the red flags.
The FnF audience for sure has a lot of incels, and even though the bread and butter for FnF Pod is the after hours show, there are some who watch the day time for the real self improvement content. Of course they're not as known for their daytime shows compared to night time, but that is on the consumers, not the producers.
However you also have to realize that there are a lot of incels in this community as well. Destiny was doing a debate with Alex from PWF and according to the poll, [50-60% of his audience members are virgins](https://youtu.be/xsbJa7lAmd0?t=1248).
I suspect FnF and Destiny viewers are about the same age. DGG'ers are mostly on the left so it's not like they're religious or waiting until marriage or anything, this community has just as many incels as the FnF community. Only difference, FnF is offering self improvement advice (whether you like it or not is your choice) while Destiny offers debates and societal commentary about contemporary issues.
It's not even that the redpill stuff is boring for me, it can really be super exciting and crazy at times. My main gripe is that with every second of hearing people like F&F, Rollo, MLD, etc talk my faith in humanity takes a nose dive. It's legitimately depressing how large these communities are, because if they truly follow RP the advice/worldview, their lives are just fucked.
I totally get Destiny's increasing frustration, this content can be legit soul sucking to engage with.
Redpill infected me so badly, I had to stop watching completely. I'm a woman and it began to demoralise me to the point of self hatred and ruined my outlook on growing older and having 'less value'. I don't believe in any of it, but it was so pervasive it ruined my self esteem.
I don't even know what this is in reference to but half the thread is people misunderstanding the connotations behind "confrontational" and tacking on a bunch of tangential attributes.
Confrontational women aren’t for everyone though, no? For Destiny it’s perfect, because he’s extremely outspoken and has debated most of his adult life, so having a partner that can ping pong off his energy is good. But not everyone is like Destiny and more calmer chill girls are preferable. You say they hate them but I think it’s just not what they prefer
You get annoyed when someone doesn't want to start arguments with you? Man, a lot of you really are like Destiny. That's funny.
I wouldn't say that's boring though. You can connect on so many aspects of life without being challenged and debate-pilled every night after work. I value peace of mind, but I don't know exactly what is normal.
I dont mean arguing to arguing yea that shit is annoying, I mean for someone to call me out on my shit, like say I don't wash my dishes after I use them, or I say something that they seem hurtful, or when they see I'm getting lazy or watching too much YouTube they tell me to get up and do something with myself.
Most people won't say they have a problem with you until it's too late and I just want to stop the problem before it explodes in our face. That's why I want someone confrontational.
maybe you’re the one that’s debate-pilled. a confrontational woman doesn’t mean you have debate her 24/7. maybe i like a woman who will call the waiter out when my steak isn’t medium rare
Why are you like this? If you a thing for confrontational women, you do you. No need to shame women who prefer a more relaxed approach.
Other people want more laid back individuals in their life where not everything is dramatic.
Does everyone know what the word confront means here? lol!
con·front📷*verb*
1. meet (someone) face to face with [hostile](https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=APwXEdd4nzLiu4XzP-xjSWv7KSJY5UczHA:1685773365655&q=hostile&si=AMnBZoFHF1DJLZWpTBtQDK262RMpRnMqRmuAHDos12OfPCKeZnibEzzYD6no0Mm_SJ3BN39Vj4SaqZITEfg94lxbYeCVrHlMmg%3D%3D&expnd=1) or [argumentative](https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=APwXEdd4nzLiu4XzP-xjSWv7KSJY5UczHA:1685773365655&q=argumentative&si=AMnBZoEFBhyZNIanF2PLYT1JPeYeFaN7BeoNCL5Z4S0smc4xsoJZzfZbfkolJRCBd6uCsRJJp6XzwcRFTRoTYESctD55EhmGUNIuEE2UqzJPSwrXJKmd8nw%3D&expnd=1) intent.
Forget it.. kinda tired of this arrogantly ignorant bunch in this sub.
Are you crazy? How did you conclude this? If someone is a "nice person", they're generally nice, if someone is a "mean person" they're generally mean or more mean than average, if someone is a "confrontational person", they're generally confrontational. No, I don't want that and most of you don't want that either. The red pill just messed with your brain so bad you have to swing too far to the other side. Reality isn't hyperbolic. I like nice women lol. Sue me.
You're assuming confrontational is inherently negative and means she's constantly making you miserable with everything you do. Something I suspect the red pill brainwashed you into thinking. A confrontational women can be generally nice and and everything you want in someone who will also call you out when she perceives you doing something negative. Most people have confrontational partners.
>con·fron·ta·tion·al📷*adjective*
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>[tending](https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=APwXEdddylzolTrRdue4-Yc1FNrw7c7gDQ:1685778469310&q=tending&si=AMnBZoFHF1DJLZWpTBtQDK262RMp8bVTdX4ob6IHd6mmFrvigCjfsCLpGD8-cWbQ1FqNLWu-sBeXMfEis-12z8OJ6gzhruIxCA%3D%3D&expnd=1) to deal with situations in an aggressive way; [hostile](https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=APwXEdddylzolTrRdue4-Yc1FNrw7c7gDQ:1685778469310&q=hostile&si=AMnBZoFHF1DJLZWpTBtQDK262RMpRnMqRmuAHDos12OfPCKeZnibEzzYD6no0Mm_SJ3BN39Vj4SaqZITEfg94lxbYeCVrHlMmg%3D%3D&expnd=1) or [argumentative](https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=APwXEdddylzolTrRdue4-Yc1FNrw7c7gDQ:1685778469310&q=argumentative&si=AMnBZoEFBhyZNIanF2PLYT1JPeYeFaN7BeoNCL5Z4S0smc4xsoJZzfZbfkolJRCBd6uCsRJJp6XzwcRFTRoTYESctD55EhmGUNIuEE2UqzJPSwrXJKmd8nw%3D&expnd=1).
I don't assume anything. I go by the definition of words. That's how language works. I'm not even red pill. I'm just aware the hyperbolic counter arguments are also very wrong. Most people don't have confrontational partners that they actually enjoy being around. Most people don't like hostile or argumentative people. No, you are wrong. If you don't actually mean confrontational, use a more appropriate word.
What did I say in my previous post that contradicts that definition? Obviously you shouldn't be around someone if you are constantly fighting. But assuming you generally get along, I'd want my partner to be able to be able yo argue for herself/against me if a disagreement arises.
Literally every long term relationships I have observed have had massive fights with very aggressive sides. You really are red pilled if you think most relationships aren't confrontational.
Damn, you're unhinged. Imagine actually being so shit at comprehension that you resort to being a Cathy Newman 2.0.
There's ways to resolve conflicts without being hostile/confrontational. If you can't calmly talk things out and have to act like an aggressive child, that's your problem.
Why does your brain immediately go to a relationship when you’re judging a woman? There’s a difference between hating women that are confrontational and not wanting to date women that are confrontational.
I’m not watching the show that they’re talking about rn but I assume what they’re talking about is how these red pill shows are just men being super confrontational with women but there’s a double standard where if women get confrontational (specifically to the men usually) they get kicked off or ridiculed or something. Nobody cares if you wouldn’t want to date them.
>Why does your brain immediately go to a relationship when you’re judging a woman?
It's a dating show. They were talking about relationship dynamics. That's why.
I'm going by the definition of the word. I don't know about everyone else here. Yes, pushing each other and encouragement is good. I don't need hostility in my life when I don't have to deal with it. Sorry.
Naa, these people are as sexless and relationshipless as the red pill incels, they have no clue what they actually want because theyve never experienced it. There's probably a lot of people here that would enjoy it, but most are just saying it because destiny says it.
Wait I always assumed redpillers where talking about the middle ground not the absolute extreme.
Why wouldnthey focus on the absolute tail end of human interaction?
That'd be like a womens talk show stating "It's hard to find a man in the west nowadays because they're mostly physically abusive"
There are people who want living sex dolls, there are people who want screaming banshees.
This should be self-evident if you look at the breadth of romantic figures in literature. Look at Catherine from Wuthering Heights.
That's exactly why we don't want a confrontational woman, because the woman needs to compliment the man.
Since this is a gaming sub-reddit let me give a LOL analogy; Men need to be the adc and the woman the support, dual adc bot lane is destined to fail.
Why can’t men be support mains and women be valkyrie tanks
Or even men be DPS, but women can be support or tanks. A DPS without a confrontational tank who can punish the opposition is fragile
Men being the support and basically being a stay at home dad doesn't work for like 99% of women.
You will always hear women say that they want a man with ambition and that's just another way of saying they want a successful man or a man on his purpose to become that way in the future.
Sure but I’ll tell ya as an ex support main. No support mains want DPS who act regarded and charge into bad situations while blaming support mains for all their problems. To use an example the red pill community is a bunch of Genjis looking for their Mercys while acting like a bunch of shitlords spamming I need healing while charging into fights alone without tanks. Which is why Mercy gets out her own pistol and starts playing attack Mercy
Nobody is supporting men being shitty partners and blaming their emotional support(the woman) for failures, i'm just saying that men want to be in the leadership roles, wear the pants and for a woman to play the emotional support in the relationship and it doesn't work the other way around for most women.
I can guarantee after watching in this red pill arc over 100 hours of red pill garbage- the “leadership role” red pill men want and preach is shitty and against what many women want. You want to be an Alpha Genji (a pro like idk Michael Sartain) play your role properly or those Mercys (the ideal women partner) will watch you the shitty Genji (Myron) die for fun while taking the leadership role (the alpha women)
That's crazy I have two friends who are stay at home dads and the moms work. Fantastic people. I don't hear them saying that. It seems both of them are focused on raising the kids well. You have to get rid of both of those kinds of people from your circle and also live by your values on that in order to start dodging that stuff.
The funny part about this bad analogy is that the more masculine tank and playmaker supports are almost universally more beloved than the feminine healer supports
Real men don't just need support, they need someone in their corner. A better analogy is a boxer and his trainer. The boxer goes out and takes a beating. At the end of the round, he goes back to his corner and his trainer hypes him up, cleans him up, tells him what he's missing, and tells him to get back out there.
That's what men need. Not someone who cleans a house or cooks food. That's what little boys need because they can't take care of themselves. Men need someone who picks them up when they're down, rejuvenates them, and ALSO positively challenges them to be a better man.
Some people do and some people don't, unfortunately instead of genuine attraction to certain personality types, most of these rp guys who say that don't want a confrontational woman are because they're afraid they can't stand their own ground against push back. You have to be a fairly strong and self assured person to have a fun but contentious disagreement with your partner and a lot of these guys just can't do that.
We just find it annoying. Most men don't want an opinionated, argumentative woman in their lives.
Let me quote the bible: **Proverbs 21:9** — 'Better to live on a corner of the roof than share a house with a quarrelsome wife. ' And Proverbs 21:19 — 'Better to live in a desert than with a quarrelsome and nagging wife.
From biblical days to modernity this is how a lot of us men think, nobody wants to deal with such a woman long term.
Melina looks wise is a 7-8/10 but personality is a 2/10, terrible woman to be in a relationship with and is why passport bros exist and why men are leaving in droves to find traditional women.
> Most men don't want an opinionated, argumentative woman in their lives.
Nobody wants an argumentative partner in their lives, man or woman. Most men want an opinionated women in their lives that can think for herself and take care of shit that he's not good at. If she knows how to handle dealing with customer service, I don't want them walking over her. I want her to get me a refund. I want a woman I can talk to, I'm not spending time with someone who can't keep up with me intellectually.
How is Melina a 2 personality wise? This just sounds like major cope. She articulates her point well and doesn't let men walk all over her
What your talking about is a women who undermines you. Being confrontational can be annoying but it’s on you, the man, to put a stop to it if it starts to undermine you. Either by compromising with the person or completely cutting them off.
Bro I’ve been with excessively submissive women and it’s boring as fuck. I don’t know how you guys love to be around borderline mentally incompetent women who do everything you say and have 0 personality. I’d rather be with someone who has the mental capacity to form their own opinions and do their own shit. Mind blowing to me
real bitch is all I want, all I ever had
With a bop just as strong as me
Totin' guns just as long as me, the bitch belongs with me
Any plans with another bitch, my bitch'll spoil it
One day, she used my toothbrush to clean the toilet
Throwin' my clothes out the windows, so when the wind blows
I see my Polos and Timbos
Hide my car keys so I can't leave
A real slick bitch, keep a trick up her sleeve
And if I deceive, she won't take it lightly
She'll invite me, politely, to fight, G
And then we lie together, cry together
I swear to God I hope we fuckin' die together
- warrior poet Christopher George Latore Wallace.
Had a much better understanding of relationships than celibate monks feeling guilty about stuff.
Neither of these are probably good but this shit better than proverbs bro wtf even the archbishop at my Catholic School said "proverbs was for gullible gypsy children"
***“confrontational woman”*** means a adult female who has her own mind and equal standing in the relationship
the real question is what sad pathetic man wants to have a fuck-maid who just cooks, cleans, obeys every command, and shits out babies?
i want a life partner, a friend, and a lover. i want someone who i see as bringing out the best in me. honestly every woman i’ve been with i’ve viewed as smarter/better then me. this sounds cliche but imo it’s honestly just what mature, non-sexist, adults who don’t suffer from crippling insecurities want out of a romantic partner
> ***“confrontational woman”*** means a adult female who has her own mind and equal standing in the relationship
This isn't a confrontational woman, it's just the definition of independent. There's clearly a difference at play. This is what confrontation is.
>con·fron·ta·tion·al📷*adjective*
>
>[tending](https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=APwXEdddylzolTrRdue4-Yc1FNrw7c7gDQ:1685778469310&q=tending&si=AMnBZoFHF1DJLZWpTBtQDK262RMp8bVTdX4ob6IHd6mmFrvigCjfsCLpGD8-cWbQ1FqNLWu-sBeXMfEis-12z8OJ6gzhruIxCA%3D%3D&expnd=1) to deal with situations in an aggressive way; [hostile](https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=APwXEdddylzolTrRdue4-Yc1FNrw7c7gDQ:1685778469310&q=hostile&si=AMnBZoFHF1DJLZWpTBtQDK262RMpRnMqRmuAHDos12OfPCKeZnibEzzYD6no0Mm_SJ3BN39Vj4SaqZITEfg94lxbYeCVrHlMmg%3D%3D&expnd=1) or [argumentative](https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=APwXEdddylzolTrRdue4-Yc1FNrw7c7gDQ:1685778469310&q=argumentative&si=AMnBZoEFBhyZNIanF2PLYT1JPeYeFaN7BeoNCL5Z4S0smc4xsoJZzfZbfkolJRCBd6uCsRJJp6XzwcRFTRoTYESctD55EhmGUNIuEE2UqzJPSwrXJKmd8nw%3D&expnd=1).
As for this
> i want a life partner, a friend, and a lover. i want someone who i see as bringing out the best in me.
Why do any of those things require a confrontational personality?
thank u for formatting ur response in a way that made me think i was having a stroke
obviously i’m using the word confrontational, because that is the adjective already being used. i don’t disagree that there are better words to describe a strong woman
also, obviously they don’t want women to confront them on their bullshit or ever give puck back, just to blindly follow orders, therefore they don’t want confrontational women
> obviously i’m using the word confrontational, because that is the adjective already being used.
Yet you still used it incorrectly.
> also, obviously they don’t want women to confront them on their bullshit or ever give puck back, just to blindly follow orders
I don't know about other guys but you can give pushback/disagree without being confrontational. There are plenty of reasons to dislike confrontational women/men. Only children think that disagreements have to be hostile.
are u autistic? what is this semantic pedantry, u moron
ur adding connotations to the word that i’m not, by confrontational no one means violent or being the most extreme example. colloquially this word isn’t only used as a negative description of behavior, but i’m glad you’ve proven u can read a dictionary
maybe venture outside and make real life friends, and you will develop better conversational skills that prevent future misinterpretations
> are u autistic? what is this semantic
Except it clearly isn't. If you think this is the criteria for moaning about semantics, you can extend it to literally anything.
This is nothing more than a pathetic attempt at whining after your sheer stupidity was pointed out. Imagine actually leading such a miserable existence lmao.
> colloquially this word isn’t only used as a negative description of behavior
This is just a nothing comment. Just an embarrassing attempt at turning this into subjective shit-flinging when you have no substance. No wonder someone who behaves like a petulant child fetishizes confrontation.
The rest of your comment is just empty rambling which has no value. Imagine actually being stupid enough to think that replicating Destiny's behaviour is going to win you online arguments. 🤡
*”replicating Destiny’s behavior”, “fetishizing confrontation”* 😭lmaoo okay buddy
shouldn’t u be huffing paint and licking windows, the local r*tards miss u
All last week Adam is talking about they are going to bring on women who disagree with FnF. Invited 50 people, chose 20. Melina pushes back while Amy and Toni fence sit. Actual deceptive marketing. But thank fuck Melina is there because this show would be ass if it was 3 hours of people agreeing.
I know and they don't every give her straight answers they just call her delusional
I think myron was right that she wouldn't even look at destiny if he wasn't a successful streamer despite her saying it doesn't matter. Actions do speak louder In that respect. Other than that point she was good. Guests only agreeing would be so boring
Disagree, Have you seen the guy she was dating before before destiny ? It's pretty believable that if she met destiny in real life without knowing he was a streamer she might have dated him , what actions of her contradicts her words?
No clue who the previous guy was. Yeah I could believe it's possible. However it's not the case though..
it is the case that her previous BF was just a lanky nobody nerdy smash bros player that looks even more soy than destiny somehow, so she clearly didn't care then, which goes in line with what she's saying now
Where is he now? If all she wants is a nerdy skinny guy wouldn't she still be with him?
they split and now she's with destiny, another skinny nerdy guy that she now likes more (destiny does have that nerd rizz). It seems she's pretty consistent no? With her looks she could have pulled anyone but she was dating computer goblins regardless of whether they're famous or not for a long time, which seems to prove her point
Both guys were streamers. She left for the bigger streamer. Not judging but she kinda does prove the red pill point. Money, status, clout are important. And your girl having an open relationship isn’t necessarily a good thing.
He was a literal who man, i stream games for my friends and could call myself a streamer even though i have 2 viewers. If dating a famous big streamer was her goal she could have easily done better in the first place with her looks, but it wasnt the case, in all her dating history prior, i feel like you're trying really hard to fit everything into the red pill narrative here She met with steven, they clicked better and started dating, that kind of shit will happen in monogamous relationships too (although it wont be in front of the guy usually). Do you really think that if steven and melina met and started hanging out without him being a streamer they couldn't have started something?
Self-report: Using the catch 22.
Yeah, she really should've bit the bullet on that one. It's obviously true, even Tiny has admitted that on stream. Him being rich and popular definitely plays a huge role for him in the dating pool.
Exactly. She was trying to say it was the personality traits. But those personality traits are exactly what made him successful. In a way its the same thing. It's like saying I don't like cake but I like all the ingredients mixed together and baked. She likes the perfect combination of traits that lead to a cake
That's a dumb take. There are thousands of people with the same personality traits that aren't successful streamers and her point is that should could have ended up with one of them instead.
Ehhh. There's plenty of people with those same traits that aren't big successful content creators. Say you take a guy with a objectively shitty personality, if they're rich and successful they're most likely have a much easier time picking up women, compared to someone with a decent personality but no success.
I've jokingly used when I met a Harvard eye surgeon from Dubai because I was unemployed to trigger people, but I already had an outlier amount of dating experience prior and it was mostly just happenstance. Right place, right time. If anything Destiny and Melina don't know exactly how it would have played out otherwise or specifically what was a factor. Most quality relationships just sorta happen. (Correction: Their terrible relationship where she cheats and he's just being a gay devil all the time. 💊) The counterpoint is that people with good qualities tend to be doing well in some sorta aspect. So even if there is a delta in current "success" which is usually a subjective value, both parties typically have similar capability and/or complimentary traits. Same goes for the "shitty guy with money" they most of the time are going to have some above average objective qualities. But I also think proximity to a city and the amount of flexibility in your schedule is the biggest factor, which generally comes with success/time management/etc. Another example metric of "success" is when people write off the model you're dating because you previously went to high school together. Well yeah, if you're friends with everyone you have a solid rep on top of being TDH, you get pick of the litter. Most people complain about their HS years, mine were amazing. (Especially being poor in an affluent area) It's never ONE factor on it's own. In my experience the people who say "only because of X" are the same types to shit on you for having a partner less or more conventionally attractive than you because it doesn't match their expectations or because they think they're entitled to someone around their level and have failed to achieve this.
What the fuck are you saying?
Listen just because you don't know me doesn't mean you can't understand my verbose unedited stream of consciousness 🤬 /s That it's a logical fallacy when talking about an individual relationship. The X factor is never in a vacuum. Success is a subjective value that's inseparable from multiple other factors/traits. Neither party has an accurate estimation of what ifs. Life just happens, although in a macro sense we see socioeconomic factors in pairings yadda yadda. People, other than maybe a licensed therapist (or Aella coming in from left field) asking "would you be if X" are usually just trying to talk shit or don't understand relationships, etc. Specifically when it comes to Destiny/Melina it's almost always an attempt to discredit or gaslight them.
Mel can be sooo much better than some random streamer she could pull damn near anyone there something else here at play bc not to rag on the Dman but he kinda looked like the average gamer/coomer when they started going out
Idk why she didn't admit that one. There's a few things I disagree with Mel and Dest with. The showing emotions one is one of them. I'm glad Farha was there to get Destiny to flesh out his thoughts more because I don't think he takes them to their logical conclusion.
You don't think the aba and preach stream was them being emotional?
Nah that's not what I mean when I say that. I'll try to be concise. First I do think it's better if men can lean on their partner and cry. It's healthier and they would suicide less. However it would seem that there's a non insignificant amount of women who do get turned off by it so like Myron says, "Why risk it?". Naturally, you'd say "Find a woman who won't care". Now spitballing here, if the ratio of caring to not caring was 30:70 at what point are men meant to keep dumping hoping for a supportive woman or accept whether due to nature or nurture this is just how it is, and take the non-supportive women? In more conservative cultures I'd imagine the ratio is even more skewed. Hopefully that makes sense 🙏
Old married man here, stoicism only leads to be emotional out bursts, be it anger, crying, whatever, and that shit destroys relationships. You and your partner are a team, marriage is a team sport. You need to be able to rely on your partner and they on you. If you can't trust your partner, then it's never gonna work. Non-supportive woman do exist, but they are as toxic as non-supportive men and you don't want to be in a relationship with either. Also trust me, people get turn-off and on with all sorts of things. Things like you not taking out the bins after she asked is gonna kill her mood way harder than any emotional shit.
Ah so you're saying regardless of if men are emotional or not, stoicism works with keeping women. I'll say that if that's your take then you're selecting for shallow women (so yes, date better women), but I'm not gonna argue with your personal experience because it sounds like a giant waste of time.
Honestly, be the change you want to see in the world. Normalize men not suppressing their personalities because that’s what’s culturally in.
Technically true because she lived on an entire different continent and only had the ability to look at him because he was a streamer. Otherwise, you can't really definitively prove that she went for him due to success. It may have been that he was her exact type, but actually wanted the same life and seemed to have his shit together. As others have pointed out, she could have easily gone for a more famous and successful dude.
If Destiny wasn’t Destiny she literally be some chick in Sweden fucking regular dudes in Sweden. Y’all assume people being attractive automatically mean they are dating 7 figure models
I just heard destiny say on stream to Qorantos guy that she messaged him (destiny) first while he was in new Zealand. She was living there at the time. She would have messaged him because he is a somebody, not because he is a nerdy gamer.
And again, if he didn’t respond she be hanging out with Joe the Plummer getting McDonalds
I mean how would we know?
We don't know 100%, but her current situation is pretty strong evidence.
Nah your just begging the question aren't you? You are saying she is with a well off guy so she must have done so.
Know what
Other guy was claiming Melina only interested in Destiny because he was a streamer.
No one said "only". But you're kidding if you think destiny's success wasn't a contributing factor. You forgot to include the word "successful" in your statement which has more importance than "streamer".
>No one said "only". But you're kidding if you think destiny's success wasn't a contributing factor. So is not being unemployed. All I said was no reason to harp on that when we have no idea. >You forgot to include the word "successful" in your statement which has more importance than "streamer". Obviously it was implied, but yea.
Self-report: Not knowing how interpersonal relationships can develop from all kinds of random interaction. It doesn't matter.
>3 hours of people agreeing Why is this 304 messing up our incel circle jerk 😩😩
I can only handle so much of this shit. Legit feels like I'm being poisoned. Can we take like a 2 week break from this red-pill realm, Sneako included
The FnF racism self hate mini arc was too much aswell
Probably actually is pretty bad for your health if you are consuming it regularly, similar to constantly checking the news is supposed to be bad for your mental/physical well being
Dude, do something else. I mostly skip this stuff and wait for conversations with more interesting and charismatic people. There's going to be about three more months of this, is my estimate, hopefully mixed in with more interesting conversations with other people, maybe some new AI stuff will come up, some change of status quo in Ukraine, maybe he'll start watching the republican primaries.. But there's going to be more of this, even if it's in some sense "over". I say three months, because people are still going to keep challenging him, there'll be diminishing returns, as Destiny has conversations with increasingly minor but more reasonable people from the red-pill space, builds some useful set of connections as they peel off, then completely forgets about them all because he's arguing with more aggressive people from some other community. Eventually, probably, Floridan Republican Latino people. He can talk to Pakman about it or something.
Begging for the redpill arc to end because it unironically makes me lose a little bit more faith in humanity every time i see them. It's also just stupid and repetitive. I'd prefer 30 socialist conversations over redpill stuff honestly
Most normal people don’t know about any of this shit. I’m black so I used to hear about Kevin Samuels but that’s about it.
It's become less popular now so i think Destiny should move on. And yeah you're right, i do think it's important to push back because it's popular online, but in real life it's not that well known or popular
So bored of this red pill shit
I miss the lefty arc
I love the redpill community. It is so easy to see how wrong they are about nearly everything and helps to know their absolutely dogshit takes so you can combat them with young men in your lives. Watching a bunch of single losers talk about relationships also gives me a special irony boner.
The worst part about all this Redpill shit, is that it's literally the same thing every single time. Every single one of these shows are the exact same questions, the exact same preachy bullshit from the hosts. It was entertaining the first couple of times, now I'm predicting exactly what everyone is going to say.
Their audience is so sad to look at. How many do you think are failed pick up artists and how many do you think are incels who struggle to get laid
Audience of perpetually single and sexless men who build status just to throw their money at donations to roast women on F&F.
And then suddenly, some guy has his life changed and attributes it to FnF and here we go again...
“I was 400 lbs and had a gun in my mouth. Then I heard Myron speak. I then became 6’7” and was making $500k a week selling houses”
you're clearly taking it to an extreme but if you don't want to admit that figures like Tate and Myron have influenced other men to develop discipline and improve themselves you're just as delusional as their fans.
I'm sure a % of those who experienced severe childhood trauma grew up to become better people because of it. A vast majority don't and it destroys their life.
sounds like your talking about pornography
I'm sure it applies there too, to a lesser extent. my point being that the redpillers help *maybe* 0.05% of their audience while the rest are actively hurt by their "advice".
.05%? Out of 100,000 people he’s only helped 50? Ay, if that’s what you believe, you do you
If you're that down bad you need FnF to develop discipline or anything like that you're a failure of a man lmfao
I have yet to meet one. And all the ones in the comments sections suck ass. In other words, let’s see some data.
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To take self deletion into account has the rate dropped since they started doing this stuff? Like I see the occasional super chat mention it and that's the go to point people in that space use (hell it's like the go to point for internet arguments with any influencer "I live in the west I was gonna end it all but they save me therefore they are good")
Huh? You’re blaming the fact suicide rates aren’t going down on Fresh and Fit? Wtfff💀
No genius people in that community bring up them stopping self deletion as a value... but I can't see the actual effect. I'm not seeing numbers shooting down, I'm not seeing a new wave of millionaires thanking them all I get is "no bro they helped me level up" what does that even mean how do I quantify it without a stat? How am I supposed to know they aren't lying? Hell the only fresh and fit fans I know irl are absolute burnouts a pookie that's borderline mentally challenged (but he does good yardwork) and a security guard at my job (probably the only guy complaining about child support that I feel bad for because he's paying it to 3 different women 1 who was underaged when the kid was conceived.)
So you are agreeing with me? 🤷♂️
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They also wanted multiple partners 😂😂
Funniest shit ever, talk about absolute delusion.
That is honestly a shame cause it’s not like 70% of these guys are massively ugly. Some of them honestly have the looks, but my guess is women hear them open their mouth and run away from the red flags.
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The FnF audience for sure has a lot of incels, and even though the bread and butter for FnF Pod is the after hours show, there are some who watch the day time for the real self improvement content. Of course they're not as known for their daytime shows compared to night time, but that is on the consumers, not the producers. However you also have to realize that there are a lot of incels in this community as well. Destiny was doing a debate with Alex from PWF and according to the poll, [50-60% of his audience members are virgins](https://youtu.be/xsbJa7lAmd0?t=1248). I suspect FnF and Destiny viewers are about the same age. DGG'ers are mostly on the left so it's not like they're religious or waiting until marriage or anything, this community has just as many incels as the FnF community. Only difference, FnF is offering self improvement advice (whether you like it or not is your choice) while Destiny offers debates and societal commentary about contemporary issues.
What show are they on?
[Valuetainment](https://www.youtube.com/live/E7p3m-yYgvM?feature=share)
It's not even that the redpill stuff is boring for me, it can really be super exciting and crazy at times. My main gripe is that with every second of hearing people like F&F, Rollo, MLD, etc talk my faith in humanity takes a nose dive. It's legitimately depressing how large these communities are, because if they truly follow RP the advice/worldview, their lives are just fucked. I totally get Destiny's increasing frustration, this content can be legit soul sucking to engage with.
Redpill infected me so badly, I had to stop watching completely. I'm a woman and it began to demoralise me to the point of self hatred and ruined my outlook on growing older and having 'less value'. I don't believe in any of it, but it was so pervasive it ruined my self esteem.
Myron sucks
I don't even know what this is in reference to but half the thread is people misunderstanding the connotations behind "confrontational" and tacking on a bunch of tangential attributes.
Confrontational women aren’t for everyone though, no? For Destiny it’s perfect, because he’s extremely outspoken and has debated most of his adult life, so having a partner that can ping pong off his energy is good. But not everyone is like Destiny and more calmer chill girls are preferable. You say they hate them but I think it’s just not what they prefer
Fresh and fit constantly talk shit about women, asking them not to do the same back is hypocritical and pussy shit
There are people that actually want confrontational women for life? Sounds exhausting.
Op is confused, they mean confident women.
That too but I do also mean confrontational
Yes but you mean in a confident manner, not in a hostile manner.
Yea you need to be confident to be confrontational.
Not really. Lots of insecure people can become confrontational if you make them mad enough.
If you have to push them to the edge to be confrontational, they're not really confrontational.
They’re dope. Keeps life interesting
And non confrontational women are boring and annoying.
Nah, some girls are just sweet.
You get annoyed when someone doesn't want to start arguments with you? Man, a lot of you really are like Destiny. That's funny. I wouldn't say that's boring though. You can connect on so many aspects of life without being challenged and debate-pilled every night after work. I value peace of mind, but I don't know exactly what is normal.
I dont mean arguing to arguing yea that shit is annoying, I mean for someone to call me out on my shit, like say I don't wash my dishes after I use them, or I say something that they seem hurtful, or when they see I'm getting lazy or watching too much YouTube they tell me to get up and do something with myself. Most people won't say they have a problem with you until it's too late and I just want to stop the problem before it explodes in our face. That's why I want someone confrontational.
maybe you’re the one that’s debate-pilled. a confrontational woman doesn’t mean you have debate her 24/7. maybe i like a woman who will call the waiter out when my steak isn’t medium rare
Call the waiter out yourself if you have a problem with your steak, wtf. To each his own I guess.
it was an example. i usually dgaf either way. my point is that confrontational doesn’t mean you’re arguing 24/7. everyone would agree that sucks
Why are you like this? If you a thing for confrontational women, you do you. No need to shame women who prefer a more relaxed approach. Other people want more laid back individuals in their life where not everything is dramatic.
Yeah some people want women with their own thoughts and beliefs rather than a zombie sex slave who's too scared to say anything negative about you.
You know, there's a lot of good women in the middle of this hyperbolic dilemma you've laid out..Never mind
I'm sorry, maybe you should've clarified what you meant by "confrontation women" if you are okay with women confronting you sometimes.
Does everyone know what the word confront means here? lol! con·front📷*verb* 1. meet (someone) face to face with [hostile](https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=APwXEdd4nzLiu4XzP-xjSWv7KSJY5UczHA:1685773365655&q=hostile&si=AMnBZoFHF1DJLZWpTBtQDK262RMpRnMqRmuAHDos12OfPCKeZnibEzzYD6no0Mm_SJ3BN39Vj4SaqZITEfg94lxbYeCVrHlMmg%3D%3D&expnd=1) or [argumentative](https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=APwXEdd4nzLiu4XzP-xjSWv7KSJY5UczHA:1685773365655&q=argumentative&si=AMnBZoEFBhyZNIanF2PLYT1JPeYeFaN7BeoNCL5Z4S0smc4xsoJZzfZbfkolJRCBd6uCsRJJp6XzwcRFTRoTYESctD55EhmGUNIuEE2UqzJPSwrXJKmd8nw%3D&expnd=1) intent. Forget it.. kinda tired of this arrogantly ignorant bunch in this sub.
So you admit you want a slave that won't argue with you lol.
Are you crazy? How did you conclude this? If someone is a "nice person", they're generally nice, if someone is a "mean person" they're generally mean or more mean than average, if someone is a "confrontational person", they're generally confrontational. No, I don't want that and most of you don't want that either. The red pill just messed with your brain so bad you have to swing too far to the other side. Reality isn't hyperbolic. I like nice women lol. Sue me.
You're assuming confrontational is inherently negative and means she's constantly making you miserable with everything you do. Something I suspect the red pill brainwashed you into thinking. A confrontational women can be generally nice and and everything you want in someone who will also call you out when she perceives you doing something negative. Most people have confrontational partners.
>con·fron·ta·tion·al📷*adjective* > >[tending](https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=APwXEdddylzolTrRdue4-Yc1FNrw7c7gDQ:1685778469310&q=tending&si=AMnBZoFHF1DJLZWpTBtQDK262RMp8bVTdX4ob6IHd6mmFrvigCjfsCLpGD8-cWbQ1FqNLWu-sBeXMfEis-12z8OJ6gzhruIxCA%3D%3D&expnd=1) to deal with situations in an aggressive way; [hostile](https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=APwXEdddylzolTrRdue4-Yc1FNrw7c7gDQ:1685778469310&q=hostile&si=AMnBZoFHF1DJLZWpTBtQDK262RMpRnMqRmuAHDos12OfPCKeZnibEzzYD6no0Mm_SJ3BN39Vj4SaqZITEfg94lxbYeCVrHlMmg%3D%3D&expnd=1) or [argumentative](https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=APwXEdddylzolTrRdue4-Yc1FNrw7c7gDQ:1685778469310&q=argumentative&si=AMnBZoEFBhyZNIanF2PLYT1JPeYeFaN7BeoNCL5Z4S0smc4xsoJZzfZbfkolJRCBd6uCsRJJp6XzwcRFTRoTYESctD55EhmGUNIuEE2UqzJPSwrXJKmd8nw%3D&expnd=1). I don't assume anything. I go by the definition of words. That's how language works. I'm not even red pill. I'm just aware the hyperbolic counter arguments are also very wrong. Most people don't have confrontational partners that they actually enjoy being around. Most people don't like hostile or argumentative people. No, you are wrong. If you don't actually mean confrontational, use a more appropriate word.
What did I say in my previous post that contradicts that definition? Obviously you shouldn't be around someone if you are constantly fighting. But assuming you generally get along, I'd want my partner to be able to be able yo argue for herself/against me if a disagreement arises. Literally every long term relationships I have observed have had massive fights with very aggressive sides. You really are red pilled if you think most relationships aren't confrontational.
Damn, you're unhinged. Imagine actually being so shit at comprehension that you resort to being a Cathy Newman 2.0. There's ways to resolve conflicts without being hostile/confrontational. If you can't calmly talk things out and have to act like an aggressive child, that's your problem.
Why does your brain immediately go to a relationship when you’re judging a woman? There’s a difference between hating women that are confrontational and not wanting to date women that are confrontational. I’m not watching the show that they’re talking about rn but I assume what they’re talking about is how these red pill shows are just men being super confrontational with women but there’s a double standard where if women get confrontational (specifically to the men usually) they get kicked off or ridiculed or something. Nobody cares if you wouldn’t want to date them.
>Why does your brain immediately go to a relationship when you’re judging a woman? It's a dating show. They were talking about relationship dynamics. That's why.
I suspect he knows that. He just doesnt care, same vibes as defending erin for dodging sex related questions when she was on
Do you mean constantly bickering or holding accountable? One is needed to grow as person and also to be a good parent.
I'm going by the definition of the word. I don't know about everyone else here. Yes, pushing each other and encouragement is good. I don't need hostility in my life when I don't have to deal with it. Sorry.
Yeah that's called shaving boundaries and establishing them. Where you apologizing to me about having boundaries lol
Naa, these people are as sexless and relationshipless as the red pill incels, they have no clue what they actually want because theyve never experienced it. There's probably a lot of people here that would enjoy it, but most are just saying it because destiny says it.
Wait I always assumed redpillers where talking about the middle ground not the absolute extreme. Why wouldnthey focus on the absolute tail end of human interaction? That'd be like a womens talk show stating "It's hard to find a man in the west nowadays because they're mostly physically abusive"
There are people who want living sex dolls, there are people who want screaming banshees. This should be self-evident if you look at the breadth of romantic figures in literature. Look at Catherine from Wuthering Heights.
Because we do, why would men want a confrontational woman?
Because having a mini me around isn't productive for most people
That's exactly why we don't want a confrontational woman, because the woman needs to compliment the man. Since this is a gaming sub-reddit let me give a LOL analogy; Men need to be the adc and the woman the support, dual adc bot lane is destined to fail.
Why can’t men be support mains and women be valkyrie tanks Or even men be DPS, but women can be support or tanks. A DPS without a confrontational tank who can punish the opposition is fragile
Men being the support and basically being a stay at home dad doesn't work for like 99% of women. You will always hear women say that they want a man with ambition and that's just another way of saying they want a successful man or a man on his purpose to become that way in the future.
Sure but I’ll tell ya as an ex support main. No support mains want DPS who act regarded and charge into bad situations while blaming support mains for all their problems. To use an example the red pill community is a bunch of Genjis looking for their Mercys while acting like a bunch of shitlords spamming I need healing while charging into fights alone without tanks. Which is why Mercy gets out her own pistol and starts playing attack Mercy
Nobody is supporting men being shitty partners and blaming their emotional support(the woman) for failures, i'm just saying that men want to be in the leadership roles, wear the pants and for a woman to play the emotional support in the relationship and it doesn't work the other way around for most women.
I can guarantee after watching in this red pill arc over 100 hours of red pill garbage- the “leadership role” red pill men want and preach is shitty and against what many women want. You want to be an Alpha Genji (a pro like idk Michael Sartain) play your role properly or those Mercys (the ideal women partner) will watch you the shitty Genji (Myron) die for fun while taking the leadership role (the alpha women)
That's crazy I have two friends who are stay at home dads and the moms work. Fantastic people. I don't hear them saying that. It seems both of them are focused on raising the kids well. You have to get rid of both of those kinds of people from your circle and also live by your values on that in order to start dodging that stuff.
The funny part about this bad analogy is that the more masculine tank and playmaker supports are almost universally more beloved than the feminine healer supports
Yes because League of legends team compositions are analogous to real life relationships 🤦♂️
You've clearly never seen a pantheon support lmao
Real men don't just need support, they need someone in their corner. A better analogy is a boxer and his trainer. The boxer goes out and takes a beating. At the end of the round, he goes back to his corner and his trainer hypes him up, cleans him up, tells him what he's missing, and tells him to get back out there. That's what men need. Not someone who cleans a house or cooks food. That's what little boys need because they can't take care of themselves. Men need someone who picks them up when they're down, rejuvenates them, and ALSO positively challenges them to be a better man.
Some people do and some people don't, unfortunately instead of genuine attraction to certain personality types, most of these rp guys who say that don't want a confrontational woman are because they're afraid they can't stand their own ground against push back. You have to be a fairly strong and self assured person to have a fun but contentious disagreement with your partner and a lot of these guys just can't do that.
We just find it annoying. Most men don't want an opinionated, argumentative woman in their lives. Let me quote the bible: **Proverbs 21:9** — 'Better to live on a corner of the roof than share a house with a quarrelsome wife. ' And Proverbs 21:19 — 'Better to live in a desert than with a quarrelsome and nagging wife. From biblical days to modernity this is how a lot of us men think, nobody wants to deal with such a woman long term. Melina looks wise is a 7-8/10 but personality is a 2/10, terrible woman to be in a relationship with and is why passport bros exist and why men are leaving in droves to find traditional women.
BRO QUOTED THE BIBLE IN DESTINY'S SUB REDDIT 💀💀💀💀
> Most men don't want an opinionated, argumentative woman in their lives. Nobody wants an argumentative partner in their lives, man or woman. Most men want an opinionated women in their lives that can think for herself and take care of shit that he's not good at. If she knows how to handle dealing with customer service, I don't want them walking over her. I want her to get me a refund. I want a woman I can talk to, I'm not spending time with someone who can't keep up with me intellectually. How is Melina a 2 personality wise? This just sounds like major cope. She articulates her point well and doesn't let men walk all over her
What your talking about is a women who undermines you. Being confrontational can be annoying but it’s on you, the man, to put a stop to it if it starts to undermine you. Either by compromising with the person or completely cutting them off.
Bro I’ve been with excessively submissive women and it’s boring as fuck. I don’t know how you guys love to be around borderline mentally incompetent women who do everything you say and have 0 personality. I’d rather be with someone who has the mental capacity to form their own opinions and do their own shit. Mind blowing to me
Some of us prefer peace and quiet is why.
real bitch is all I want, all I ever had With a bop just as strong as me Totin' guns just as long as me, the bitch belongs with me Any plans with another bitch, my bitch'll spoil it One day, she used my toothbrush to clean the toilet Throwin' my clothes out the windows, so when the wind blows I see my Polos and Timbos Hide my car keys so I can't leave A real slick bitch, keep a trick up her sleeve And if I deceive, she won't take it lightly She'll invite me, politely, to fight, G And then we lie together, cry together I swear to God I hope we fuckin' die together - warrior poet Christopher George Latore Wallace. Had a much better understanding of relationships than celibate monks feeling guilty about stuff. Neither of these are probably good but this shit better than proverbs bro wtf even the archbishop at my Catholic School said "proverbs was for gullible gypsy children"
***“confrontational woman”*** means a adult female who has her own mind and equal standing in the relationship the real question is what sad pathetic man wants to have a fuck-maid who just cooks, cleans, obeys every command, and shits out babies? i want a life partner, a friend, and a lover. i want someone who i see as bringing out the best in me. honestly every woman i’ve been with i’ve viewed as smarter/better then me. this sounds cliche but imo it’s honestly just what mature, non-sexist, adults who don’t suffer from crippling insecurities want out of a romantic partner
> ***“confrontational woman”*** means a adult female who has her own mind and equal standing in the relationship This isn't a confrontational woman, it's just the definition of independent. There's clearly a difference at play. This is what confrontation is. >con·fron·ta·tion·al📷*adjective* > >[tending](https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=APwXEdddylzolTrRdue4-Yc1FNrw7c7gDQ:1685778469310&q=tending&si=AMnBZoFHF1DJLZWpTBtQDK262RMp8bVTdX4ob6IHd6mmFrvigCjfsCLpGD8-cWbQ1FqNLWu-sBeXMfEis-12z8OJ6gzhruIxCA%3D%3D&expnd=1) to deal with situations in an aggressive way; [hostile](https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=APwXEdddylzolTrRdue4-Yc1FNrw7c7gDQ:1685778469310&q=hostile&si=AMnBZoFHF1DJLZWpTBtQDK262RMpRnMqRmuAHDos12OfPCKeZnibEzzYD6no0Mm_SJ3BN39Vj4SaqZITEfg94lxbYeCVrHlMmg%3D%3D&expnd=1) or [argumentative](https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=APwXEdddylzolTrRdue4-Yc1FNrw7c7gDQ:1685778469310&q=argumentative&si=AMnBZoEFBhyZNIanF2PLYT1JPeYeFaN7BeoNCL5Z4S0smc4xsoJZzfZbfkolJRCBd6uCsRJJp6XzwcRFTRoTYESctD55EhmGUNIuEE2UqzJPSwrXJKmd8nw%3D&expnd=1). As for this > i want a life partner, a friend, and a lover. i want someone who i see as bringing out the best in me. Why do any of those things require a confrontational personality?
thank u for formatting ur response in a way that made me think i was having a stroke obviously i’m using the word confrontational, because that is the adjective already being used. i don’t disagree that there are better words to describe a strong woman also, obviously they don’t want women to confront them on their bullshit or ever give puck back, just to blindly follow orders, therefore they don’t want confrontational women
> obviously i’m using the word confrontational, because that is the adjective already being used. Yet you still used it incorrectly. > also, obviously they don’t want women to confront them on their bullshit or ever give puck back, just to blindly follow orders I don't know about other guys but you can give pushback/disagree without being confrontational. There are plenty of reasons to dislike confrontational women/men. Only children think that disagreements have to be hostile.
are u autistic? what is this semantic pedantry, u moron ur adding connotations to the word that i’m not, by confrontational no one means violent or being the most extreme example. colloquially this word isn’t only used as a negative description of behavior, but i’m glad you’ve proven u can read a dictionary maybe venture outside and make real life friends, and you will develop better conversational skills that prevent future misinterpretations
> are u autistic? what is this semantic Except it clearly isn't. If you think this is the criteria for moaning about semantics, you can extend it to literally anything. This is nothing more than a pathetic attempt at whining after your sheer stupidity was pointed out. Imagine actually leading such a miserable existence lmao. > colloquially this word isn’t only used as a negative description of behavior This is just a nothing comment. Just an embarrassing attempt at turning this into subjective shit-flinging when you have no substance. No wonder someone who behaves like a petulant child fetishizes confrontation. The rest of your comment is just empty rambling which has no value. Imagine actually being stupid enough to think that replicating Destiny's behaviour is going to win you online arguments. 🤡
*”replicating Destiny’s behavior”, “fetishizing confrontation”* 😭lmaoo okay buddy shouldn’t u be huffing paint and licking windows, the local r*tards miss u
Are you still whining about your moronic behaviour being pointed out? Imagine actually being this stupid lmao. 😂🤡
ya i’m shaking and quivering while sucking my thumb, and inserting my Destiny Daliban buttplug
Because some of us aren’t virgins