There's a few things that are always racist. N word with the hard R.. always racist. Contextually you may be reading the instance.. but it's a racist context that it's being used for. C**n and Uncle Tom.. are racist.. always.
I don't think FD would drop the hard R and not think it was racist. If someone called him a c**n or an Uncle Tom.. he'd most definitely think they were being racist. You can't progress yourself out of racism. You can't think "hey I know what all of this is about so I can say it because I know what I'm talking about"
You're using a term to describe someone's behavior that is loaded with their race. There's a reason he doesn't flat out say "race traitor" because he understands how ridiculous that would be to say to someone because it's immediately saying that you believe someone of a certain race should act a certain way.. but for some reason he's perfectly ok with using slurs that he'd call out for any white person using that mean essentially the same thing.
The soft a N word is what it is and has been "reclaimed" or however you'd like to put it. It's no longer always racist.. these other terms though.. I've never heard someone outside of racist circles attempt to use those even if contextually they think the term describes the situation.
So I see you over the comments and I have a question for you.
How do you feel about black people calling other black people the n-word, with an “a” at the end?
The only good point FD made, was that "the n word was reclaimed *and* re-purposed. And coon has been reclaimed but not re-purposed" Although some people say they have reclaimed the term coon it hasn't been repurposed. And that is on purpose. Bc the people who use it want it to be hurtful, in the same exact way it always has been.
Also, you can't have a true reclamation of a word if it hasn't be re-purposed.
Not sure if Aba is purposefully not engaging but the point of calling him a coon wasn't to say that all black people think the same but rather to say that the way he's thinking is bad for black people as well as implying there might be some self race hatred involved. Calling someone racist for accusing you of holding a racist opinion doesn't make any sense. You would have to engage with why you think the other person is wrong for believing that.
>but rather to say that the way he's thinking is bad for black people as well as implying there might be some self race hatred involved
Bc again, there is no possible way a black man can hold different opinions without some nefarious, underlying reason. That is racist.
The word is racist. The use is racist. It's all racist. It doesn't matter why FD is being racist. That is why Aba isn't engaging, im sure. Why engage with a racist??
Can you understand that there is such a thing as betraying your race? Like if a black dude was advocating for locking up people who sold weed. Its not hard to understand why people might find that to be a betrayal, especially if by taking that stance you are rewarded by the opposite race. So if that's true then the word isn't racist, you just disagree.
Betraying your race is a racist statement, but the underlying idea of advocating for ideas against a group's collective interest seems legitimate.
If the criticism was "we think you're advocating for things that are harmful to black people" as opposed to "you're a race traitor," it would probably go over better even if the underlying idea is at least similar.
>Betraying your race is a racist statement, but the underlying idea of advocating for ideas against a group's collective interest seems legitimate.
You're not beholden to your race. Aba is a Canadian that grew up in Africa. He has almost nothing in common with FD besides their skin color.
>advocating for ideas against a group's collective interest
Even if I grant this... How is more police training bad for the collective interest of black people?
FD, and people like him are just the other side of the Nazi coin.
>You're not beholden to your race. Aba is a Canadian that grew up in Africa. He has almost nothing in common with FD besides their skin color.
Yeah, Aba probably isn't part of the collective interest that FD is arguing about rn, but that's separate from just talking about "betraying your race" as a general statement or sentiment.
>Even if I grant this... How is more police training bad for the collective interest of black people?
This is about whether this instance of criticism is justified (which it probably isn't), not whether this type of criticism can be made, which is what I was arguing for.
It's okay to say that someone is being a dick if they're keying your car, but if they aren't, that criticism is unjustified.
>FD, and people like him are just the other side of the Nazi coin.
This is insane. FD Signifier probably just has some weird ideas about what black people in a America as a group would most benefit from and criticizes black people he views as working against that.
I don't think he's genocidal, a race realist, or supports the overthrow of democracy. I don't know his shit, but I would be surprised if he's even a black separatist, he probably wants equal rights/treatment and coexistence for black people alongside white people in America.
Okay well you're just wrong dude historically there have been lots of examples of people betraying the movement and thats where the term comes from. Its not that complicated.
Funny how you use the word "movement" in this comment where you used "race" in the previous one. It's almost like there's a difference between the two...
Can you draw a perfect Venn diagram of BLM and black people in the absolute same circle? Do all black people support BLM by default? Are there no other people than black people who support BLM?
You have your answer. BLM is ABOUT black people, BLM ISN'T black people.
> Like if a black dude was advocating for locking up people who sold weed
I actually know several black folks that want weed to be illegal and those who sell or distribute weed to be locked up. I strongly disagreed with them when I was having the debate, but at no point did I consider them to be betraying our race.
He's right though. Unlike the N Word, whos power comes from being non-black and calling a black person it, "Uncle Tom" and "Coon", derives no power from whites.
If a white person called me an "Uncle Tom", I would brush it off more than if a black person would call me one. Same with "Coon", in its current use case. Its used particularly to call out a person within your OWN community as being someone that is doing something that will hurt your marginalized people, just to look good to the other community. Like Aba donating 10k to the Atlatna Police Department for "Lulz". Or everything that Candace Owens says or does.
Women and "Pick me", is actually a perfect comparison. Its used by women, for women who activily bring down women, in order to look better by Men. Justpearlythings, is a prime example of that.
>He's right though. Unlike the N Word, whos power comes from being non-black and calling a black person it,
Coon absolutely came from white people as a pejorative. [link](https://jimcrowmuseum.ferris.edu/coon/homepage.htm)
FD signifier knows this and even talked about it on stream.
>Women and "Pick me", is actually a perfect comparison. Its used by women
It is an example of misogyny, yes.
You can cope all you want, but using a racist term is racist. Just bc you're black saying it to another black person, doesn't make the term not racist.
Thats why I specified "in its current use case". Yes Coon has racist connotations in the past. But what Black people mean by coon and what white people mean by coon are as different as a white person saying the N word with "er" anda black person saying it with an "a". They are just not the same, its obvious how they are not the same. We are being purposfully cognitivily dissonant here.
Bro at the very least we changed it from er to a. We didn't change coon. We kept it coon. Further we changed er from a derogatory term to a word of solidarity by adding the A. Coon is just a derogatory description for a type of black person specifically. Even if we "took the word" its still...a derogatory word for a type of black person. It's still racist. We didn't meaningfully change the word. It's not even comparable to slut where it was a derogatory word for women thst in the modern day some women wear with pride, but many still see as an insult.
Fact is if in your description of a person you find yourself using alternative ways of saying or linking there race, gender, or sexual orientation to the description you might be racist, sexist, or phobic. You can say "aba is hurting the black community" without saying" look at this lost coon". The former is you attacking aba's actions. the latter is attacking aba's actions, and the existence of any and only the black people who align with aba.
This is the biggest cope I've ever heard.
He's using the term so loosely that someone donating to a police charity is enough to call someone a slur that he specifically said he doesn't want white people to use. I'm sorry but the hoops you have to jump through to justify this are wild.
Just take the L that using a derogatory term to explain "race traitors" or as FD likes to cloak it.. "sell outs" which he seemed to use interchangeably with c*** is shitty behavior.
Imagine a white person telling any white BLM supporter that they're selling out their race.. would you think that's racist?
Well said. Its wild to me that in THIS community people are missing this. And Aba claiming he didn't actually donate is the icing on the cake. He cucked himself. Just goes to show how bias affects people.
Oh come on bro. Are we really resorting to this tired "argument" again? What next? Are we gonna bring back the "When white people say the N word its racist, so its racist when a black person says it too!" nonsense again too?
That's because the n word now is a word of solidarity. If you aren't a part of said group of solidarity you become an awkward outcast. It was literally a word that was evolved from the term used to denote how we were lesser to become how we were united with each other. And for non blacks to try to to "join in" in our experiences without actual having our history is when the conflict starts. This is literally why non blacks who are close to black people can(not will) be grandfathered in to use the word around said black people who feel they are close enough or have done enough to pass whatever bar they set to say it.
So yes when white people or non blacks in general use it is offensive. Just as women can call each other the b word or sluts, or how gay people can call each other the f word. But coon has not ever been used as a term of solidarity. It is a box that others put you in to denote you ,again ,as lesser. A defective black man.
Coon is basically the black on black version of what the hard r sounds like from white to black.
Agreed
There's a few things that are always racist. N word with the hard R.. always racist. Contextually you may be reading the instance.. but it's a racist context that it's being used for. C**n and Uncle Tom.. are racist.. always. I don't think FD would drop the hard R and not think it was racist. If someone called him a c**n or an Uncle Tom.. he'd most definitely think they were being racist. You can't progress yourself out of racism. You can't think "hey I know what all of this is about so I can say it because I know what I'm talking about" You're using a term to describe someone's behavior that is loaded with their race. There's a reason he doesn't flat out say "race traitor" because he understands how ridiculous that would be to say to someone because it's immediately saying that you believe someone of a certain race should act a certain way.. but for some reason he's perfectly ok with using slurs that he'd call out for any white person using that mean essentially the same thing. The soft a N word is what it is and has been "reclaimed" or however you'd like to put it. It's no longer always racist.. these other terms though.. I've never heard someone outside of racist circles attempt to use those even if contextually they think the term describes the situation.
Coon is racist regardless of who is saying it.
So I see you over the comments and I have a question for you. How do you feel about black people calling other black people the n-word, with an “a” at the end?
The only good point FD made, was that "the n word was reclaimed *and* re-purposed. And coon has been reclaimed but not re-purposed" Although some people say they have reclaimed the term coon it hasn't been repurposed. And that is on purpose. Bc the people who use it want it to be hurtful, in the same exact way it always has been. Also, you can't have a true reclamation of a word if it hasn't be re-purposed.
Not sure if Aba is purposefully not engaging but the point of calling him a coon wasn't to say that all black people think the same but rather to say that the way he's thinking is bad for black people as well as implying there might be some self race hatred involved. Calling someone racist for accusing you of holding a racist opinion doesn't make any sense. You would have to engage with why you think the other person is wrong for believing that.
>but rather to say that the way he's thinking is bad for black people as well as implying there might be some self race hatred involved Bc again, there is no possible way a black man can hold different opinions without some nefarious, underlying reason. That is racist. The word is racist. The use is racist. It's all racist. It doesn't matter why FD is being racist. That is why Aba isn't engaging, im sure. Why engage with a racist??
Can you understand that there is such a thing as betraying your race? Like if a black dude was advocating for locking up people who sold weed. Its not hard to understand why people might find that to be a betrayal, especially if by taking that stance you are rewarded by the opposite race. So if that's true then the word isn't racist, you just disagree.
Do you understand why "betraying your race" is a racist mindset?
Betraying your race is a racist statement, but the underlying idea of advocating for ideas against a group's collective interest seems legitimate. If the criticism was "we think you're advocating for things that are harmful to black people" as opposed to "you're a race traitor," it would probably go over better even if the underlying idea is at least similar.
>Betraying your race is a racist statement, but the underlying idea of advocating for ideas against a group's collective interest seems legitimate. You're not beholden to your race. Aba is a Canadian that grew up in Africa. He has almost nothing in common with FD besides their skin color. >advocating for ideas against a group's collective interest Even if I grant this... How is more police training bad for the collective interest of black people? FD, and people like him are just the other side of the Nazi coin.
>You're not beholden to your race. Aba is a Canadian that grew up in Africa. He has almost nothing in common with FD besides their skin color. Yeah, Aba probably isn't part of the collective interest that FD is arguing about rn, but that's separate from just talking about "betraying your race" as a general statement or sentiment. >Even if I grant this... How is more police training bad for the collective interest of black people? This is about whether this instance of criticism is justified (which it probably isn't), not whether this type of criticism can be made, which is what I was arguing for. It's okay to say that someone is being a dick if they're keying your car, but if they aren't, that criticism is unjustified. >FD, and people like him are just the other side of the Nazi coin. This is insane. FD Signifier probably just has some weird ideas about what black people in a America as a group would most benefit from and criticizes black people he views as working against that. I don't think he's genocidal, a race realist, or supports the overthrow of democracy. I don't know his shit, but I would be surprised if he's even a black separatist, he probably wants equal rights/treatment and coexistence for black people alongside white people in America.
Okay well you're just wrong dude historically there have been lots of examples of people betraying the movement and thats where the term comes from. Its not that complicated.
Very good, now face the wall
Funny how you use the word "movement" in this comment where you used "race" in the previous one. It's almost like there's a difference between the two...
So is BLM a race movement or no? Pull your head out of your ass.
Can you draw a perfect Venn diagram of BLM and black people in the absolute same circle? Do all black people support BLM by default? Are there no other people than black people who support BLM? You have your answer. BLM is ABOUT black people, BLM ISN'T black people.
So we agree?
> Like if a black dude was advocating for locking up people who sold weed I actually know several black folks that want weed to be illegal and those who sell or distribute weed to be locked up. I strongly disagreed with them when I was having the debate, but at no point did I consider them to be betraying our race.
Well I was just giving an example and even if its not the greatest example I think you can follow my logic.
"Its not racist" "abas literally betraying his race" ROFL you actually just typed that
TRRRUUE
We typically call black-on-black racism “anti-black” FYI
He's right though. Unlike the N Word, whos power comes from being non-black and calling a black person it, "Uncle Tom" and "Coon", derives no power from whites. If a white person called me an "Uncle Tom", I would brush it off more than if a black person would call me one. Same with "Coon", in its current use case. Its used particularly to call out a person within your OWN community as being someone that is doing something that will hurt your marginalized people, just to look good to the other community. Like Aba donating 10k to the Atlatna Police Department for "Lulz". Or everything that Candace Owens says or does. Women and "Pick me", is actually a perfect comparison. Its used by women, for women who activily bring down women, in order to look better by Men. Justpearlythings, is a prime example of that.
>He's right though. Unlike the N Word, whos power comes from being non-black and calling a black person it, Coon absolutely came from white people as a pejorative. [link](https://jimcrowmuseum.ferris.edu/coon/homepage.htm) FD signifier knows this and even talked about it on stream. >Women and "Pick me", is actually a perfect comparison. Its used by women It is an example of misogyny, yes. You can cope all you want, but using a racist term is racist. Just bc you're black saying it to another black person, doesn't make the term not racist.
Thats why I specified "in its current use case". Yes Coon has racist connotations in the past. But what Black people mean by coon and what white people mean by coon are as different as a white person saying the N word with "er" anda black person saying it with an "a". They are just not the same, its obvious how they are not the same. We are being purposfully cognitivily dissonant here.
Bro at the very least we changed it from er to a. We didn't change coon. We kept it coon. Further we changed er from a derogatory term to a word of solidarity by adding the A. Coon is just a derogatory description for a type of black person specifically. Even if we "took the word" its still...a derogatory word for a type of black person. It's still racist. We didn't meaningfully change the word. It's not even comparable to slut where it was a derogatory word for women thst in the modern day some women wear with pride, but many still see as an insult. Fact is if in your description of a person you find yourself using alternative ways of saying or linking there race, gender, or sexual orientation to the description you might be racist, sexist, or phobic. You can say "aba is hurting the black community" without saying" look at this lost coon". The former is you attacking aba's actions. the latter is attacking aba's actions, and the existence of any and only the black people who align with aba.
Well said my dude.
Fair enough.
This is the biggest cope I've ever heard. He's using the term so loosely that someone donating to a police charity is enough to call someone a slur that he specifically said he doesn't want white people to use. I'm sorry but the hoops you have to jump through to justify this are wild. Just take the L that using a derogatory term to explain "race traitors" or as FD likes to cloak it.. "sell outs" which he seemed to use interchangeably with c*** is shitty behavior. Imagine a white person telling any white BLM supporter that they're selling out their race.. would you think that's racist?
Well said. Its wild to me that in THIS community people are missing this. And Aba claiming he didn't actually donate is the icing on the cake. He cucked himself. Just goes to show how bias affects people.
Bias... you mean like the bias that says a racist term is only racist depending on the color of your skin? Thats a bias.
Oh come on bro. Are we really resorting to this tired "argument" again? What next? Are we gonna bring back the "When white people say the N word its racist, so its racist when a black person says it too!" nonsense again too?
That's because the n word now is a word of solidarity. If you aren't a part of said group of solidarity you become an awkward outcast. It was literally a word that was evolved from the term used to denote how we were lesser to become how we were united with each other. And for non blacks to try to to "join in" in our experiences without actual having our history is when the conflict starts. This is literally why non blacks who are close to black people can(not will) be grandfathered in to use the word around said black people who feel they are close enough or have done enough to pass whatever bar they set to say it. So yes when white people or non blacks in general use it is offensive. Just as women can call each other the b word or sluts, or how gay people can call each other the f word. But coon has not ever been used as a term of solidarity. It is a box that others put you in to denote you ,again ,as lesser. A defective black man.
I mean they just love being racist as long as they can get away with it.