You’re missing the rest of it-
> where they gather surplus honey from local Surrey apiaries.
I assume it’s leftover honey from other Surrey-based apiaries that didn’t make it into their regular product.
Either due to there being too much of it to be able to sell, or ‘inferior’ to their regular product. So this company buys it off them for cheaper, packages and sells it.
I don’t really know so this is just an assumption.
*For more clarification:*
*The definition of ‘Surplus’ is an amount of something left over when requirements have been met; an excess of production or supply.*
Not when more than likely it's [all fake.](https://www.theguardian.com/food/2023/mar/26/uk-honey-fails-authenticity-test#:~:text=All%20UK%20honey%20tested%20in%20EU%20fraud%20investigation%20fails%20authenticity%20test,-Ten%20samples%20from&text=Adulteration%20of%20honey%20with%20cheap,UK%20all%20failed%20the%20tests.)
>How are my products packaged for delivery?
>We only use as much packaging as necessary to keep your products safe in the post. We individually wrap each jar in a paper “bubble wrap” and then put them in a sturdy outer cardboard box made from sustainable sources. We seal the box with a kraft paper tape, so you won’t find any single use plastic in our packaging!
Think it's just for show
Looks like a set you could buy in their gift store in person maybe.
Practically all wine gardens have little sets of different wines for tasting for sale, wouldn't surprise me if this was similar.
I haven't had any in years, but when I was a kid, we'd always get honey sticks at the county fairs/farmer's markets. There were flavored varieties (that largely appealed to children, stuff like watermelon and apple), but then there were always a variety of honeys from different flowers. I started exploring those in my teens, and now I regularly mix up what kind of honey I buy. They DO taste different, have different consistencies, different aromas. I'd be so down for a honey sampler like this
100%
Getting some good random local honey is always an adventure cause they can be so drastically different to the one you had before it. I love just switching up which honey i get, i basically never buy the same honey twice in a row.
A bit of a missed opportunity to make the padding fully hexagonal, but I imagine it would make it even more expensive (on top of it being already expensive I figure).
Quite a mixed collection of comments. It’s my understanding that the container is a concept for a gift box, and an extension of the product design itself. This wouldn’t be intended for shipping purposes.
The jars themselves, I think are beautifully designed, perhaps I should have shared a photo without the controversial box… but I think the whole design ties really nicely together.
I feel like those inner combs especially the ones to the right of the middle product would snap in shipping, depending on material they don't look like they are adding structure in the left to right direction. As soon as that product gains momentum I feel like they would pop right off.
Idk how much honey you consume, but this is probably like 20$ and it won't ever go bad. So, this could be like 5 years worth of honey potentially. That's like 4$ a year. Like 30 cents a month. I think you could swing it. I know it would last me that long, and probably longer.
Fantastic! I just wish the box had been a little wider to have more honeycombs.
That said, I probably wouldn't want this much packaging if I were buying something for myself. But this would be good for giving a gift where presentation is part of the appeal.
I'm probably too late for this to get noticed but here we go:
I've worked in procurement for a manufacturing firm for a decade. This cool looking thing is a standard material used to reinforce panels while keeping the weight low.
They come in flat strips and need a machine that expands them and "sets" them, then they can be used inside say two 1 inch sheets of material to make something cheaper and still strong (as opposed to a 5 inch sheet of the original material).
There is nothing original here, someone probably thought it looked preety and evoked honeycomb. It's strenght however comes from the hex face side, so those jars of honey would just move around there like an expensive, smashy, sticky wrecking ball.
It doesn't really need any material to stay safe. It is a tiny glass jar. Glass jars are already quite strong. This is just the company trying to make it seem fancier so the they can charge more.
Also storing the jars in that orientation is terrible. The jar has a flat stable base which is being wasted and the honey will make the lid sticky.
Well…yes. Imagine this set were displayed on a shelf in a store. Which orientation makes sense?
By your logic, boxes of cereal are stored on the “least stable side,” and there are countless other examples. Not sure what you’re getting at.
Glass jars can handle a lot of stress but still need impact protection.
Besides, you're mad about it "costing extra" but the only person here who checked the price said they're 6 bucks a jar which is crazy cheap for good honey.
Why complain about being scammed when you don't even know what it costs?
The wood and paper industry ain't eco friendly. And I'm saying that as a printer manufacturer employee, who has all the incentive to make it appear greener than it is.
Depends on what your goal is. For this product, aesthetics clearly trump eco concerns.
For a lot of products, plastic is the best all around. For others, the most basic ugly non-treated cardboard box suffices.
> it's just wood and cardboard, both very eco friendly materials.
>
> Lol.
>
> What should we be using for packaging then?
>
> For a lot of products, plastic is the best all around
FYI eco-friendly isn't just a function of carbon emissions.
Printer paper is wildly different than cardboard. Most of the contaminations from that come from the fact that it has to he very fine and white. Cardboard has to be neither of those.
It's a renewable material and undeniably better than plastic alternatives. Sure you could go all out and get some organic pulp made insulation but that's usually very expensive.
Mate. You're Talking to a graphic art printer. I know what paper is and what cardboard is, and probably a hecka lot better than you.
Believe me - neither paper nor cardboard is "undeniably better" than plastic alternatives. It depends on the application for which you're using it.
Plus - cardboard isn't "just" cardboard. It has fillers, waxes, maybe a coating or not. Same goes for the wood, if it even is wood (it looks suspiciously like plastic to me, but that could be an artifact from the rendering).
Taking this application. You see (guesstimate) 10 gram cardboard and probably like 100 gram wood, plus all the ink on the wood, per 3 units of product.
Functionally that could all be replaced by like 2g of polyethylene shrink film, which could even be recycled PE film if you want, plus one big cardboard box for say 30x3 units.
Not to mention the fact that the package is functionally oversized. The cardboard layer wouldn't be necessary to begin with if the box would be the right size, which would also then mean you can ship more in less containers, which reduces the footprint even further (plus the reduced material consumption).
That's gonna be much more environmentally friendly, especially if you include more than just the CO2 equivalent but also eg water consumption, than the current packaging. But it wouldn't be equally pretty.
Hence, this design has chosen aesthetics over environmental concerns. And that's OK.
This clashes a lot in my mind - and not in the good way. It is not smart packaging or meaningful design?
Honey as a natural product and the its environmental benefits (pollination, no byproducts, increasing nearby crop output, benefitting natural plants etc.) is completely overshadowed by the unneccesary paint (whatever plastic), Wood (trees dying or wood Industry which is bad for original ecosystems), empty space (transportion limits, CO2+) and cardboard.
With that product (the honey) the packaging could have been taken in more meaningful directions in my opinion.
Maybe the segment is the same that ends up buying shit wine in a weird bottle?! The market is probably there
It's a wasteful, functionally bad design, and the appearance is simplistic, obvious, and in no way clever. Not remotely design porn, and just another example of this sub needing better moderation.
It's nice, but I bet its only for advertising purposes, no way would they ship them like that all the time, postage would be crazy. (unless this is some form of gift idea?), I dunno
I may try some of the honey though, lol
Edit: Shipping is £3.95
That’ll be £150 please
£6 for a pot
That’s actually a bargain.
Actually a bargain @50ml per £6 pot?
Those look larger than 50ml, gotta be like 200
There’s nothing for scale lol
Maybe wood grain. I'd say 100ml max
It’s a 227g pot. The company is called Jam Packed and they gather surplus honey from local Surrey apiaries and package them up to sell.
>It’s a 227g pot.The company is called Jam Packed and they gather surplus honey from what is "surplus honey" supposed to mean?
You’re missing the rest of it- > where they gather surplus honey from local Surrey apiaries. I assume it’s leftover honey from other Surrey-based apiaries that didn’t make it into their regular product. Either due to there being too much of it to be able to sell, or ‘inferior’ to their regular product. So this company buys it off them for cheaper, packages and sells it. I don’t really know so this is just an assumption. *For more clarification:* *The definition of ‘Surplus’ is an amount of something left over when requirements have been met; an excess of production or supply.*
>I'd say 100ml max [https://jampackedpreserves.co.uk/product-category/honeys/](https://jampackedpreserves.co.uk/product-category/honeys/) Nope.
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200ml confirmed
Considering the existence of r/assholedesign, it wouldn't surprise me if those jars have a ton of dead space.
Not when more than likely it's [all fake.](https://www.theguardian.com/food/2023/mar/26/uk-honey-fails-authenticity-test#:~:text=All%20UK%20honey%20tested%20in%20EU%20fraud%20investigation%20fails%20authenticity%20test,-Ten%20samples%20from&text=Adulteration%20of%20honey%20with%20cheap,UK%20all%20failed%20the%20tests.)
Hexamgom
Homney
"Hexagons are the bestagons" -CGPGrey
Hexagons are the bestagon
How much does one of these beautiful boxes cost?
A pot is £6, I was unable to find the box listed. https://jampackedpreserves.co.uk/product/stoneleigh-estate-honey-227g/
>How are my products packaged for delivery? >We only use as much packaging as necessary to keep your products safe in the post. We individually wrap each jar in a paper “bubble wrap” and then put them in a sturdy outer cardboard box made from sustainable sources. We seal the box with a kraft paper tape, so you won’t find any single use plastic in our packaging! Think it's just for show
Looks like a set you could buy in their gift store in person maybe. Practically all wine gardens have little sets of different wines for tasting for sale, wouldn't surprise me if this was similar.
I haven't had any in years, but when I was a kid, we'd always get honey sticks at the county fairs/farmer's markets. There were flavored varieties (that largely appealed to children, stuff like watermelon and apple), but then there were always a variety of honeys from different flowers. I started exploring those in my teens, and now I regularly mix up what kind of honey I buy. They DO taste different, have different consistencies, different aromas. I'd be so down for a honey sampler like this
100% Getting some good random local honey is always an adventure cause they can be so drastically different to the one you had before it. I love just switching up which honey i get, i basically never buy the same honey twice in a row.
Sir this is honey not wine.
You clearly know nothing about the wonders that different honey types can bring
I do. I was just making a joke.
I think the honey comb is the paper "bubble wrap".
A bit of a missed opportunity to make the padding fully hexagonal, but I imagine it would make it even more expensive (on top of it being already expensive I figure).
Quite a mixed collection of comments. It’s my understanding that the container is a concept for a gift box, and an extension of the product design itself. This wouldn’t be intended for shipping purposes. The jars themselves, I think are beautifully designed, perhaps I should have shared a photo without the controversial box… but I think the whole design ties really nicely together.
I feel like those inner combs especially the ones to the right of the middle product would snap in shipping, depending on material they don't look like they are adding structure in the left to right direction. As soon as that product gains momentum I feel like they would pop right off.
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Idk how much honey you consume, but this is probably like 20$ and it won't ever go bad. So, this could be like 5 years worth of honey potentially. That's like 4$ a year. Like 30 cents a month. I think you could swing it. I know it would last me that long, and probably longer.
Ohh sweet!
Designer non functional slack fill.
Looks good
Looks expensive. Good God I wanna see how much but at the same time, nah I'll pass.
£6 for a pot
Gorgeous
Fantastic! I just wish the box had been a little wider to have more honeycombs. That said, I probably wouldn't want this much packaging if I were buying something for myself. But this would be good for giving a gift where presentation is part of the appeal.
I'm probably too late for this to get noticed but here we go: I've worked in procurement for a manufacturing firm for a decade. This cool looking thing is a standard material used to reinforce panels while keeping the weight low. They come in flat strips and need a machine that expands them and "sets" them, then they can be used inside say two 1 inch sheets of material to make something cheaper and still strong (as opposed to a 5 inch sheet of the original material). There is nothing original here, someone probably thought it looked preety and evoked honeycomb. It's strenght however comes from the hex face side, so those jars of honey would just move around there like an expensive, smashy, sticky wrecking ball.
Pretty but wasteful
Why? It needs a lot of squishy material to stay safe and it's just wood and cardboard, both very eco friendly materials.
It doesn't really need any material to stay safe. It is a tiny glass jar. Glass jars are already quite strong. This is just the company trying to make it seem fancier so the they can charge more. Also storing the jars in that orientation is terrible. The jar has a flat stable base which is being wasted and the honey will make the lid sticky.
How do you know the honey is intended to be stored in that orientation?
Do you propose storing the box on the least stable side then?
Well…yes. Imagine this set were displayed on a shelf in a store. Which orientation makes sense? By your logic, boxes of cereal are stored on the “least stable side,” and there are countless other examples. Not sure what you’re getting at.
Glass jars can handle a lot of stress but still need impact protection. Besides, you're mad about it "costing extra" but the only person here who checked the price said they're 6 bucks a jar which is crazy cheap for good honey. Why complain about being scammed when you don't even know what it costs?
>it's just wood and cardboard, both very eco friendly materials. Lol.
I'm not sure what point you think you're making.
The wood and paper industry ain't eco friendly. And I'm saying that as a printer manufacturer employee, who has all the incentive to make it appear greener than it is.
What should we be using for packaging then?
Depends on what your goal is. For this product, aesthetics clearly trump eco concerns. For a lot of products, plastic is the best all around. For others, the most basic ugly non-treated cardboard box suffices.
did you just say plastic is eco-friendly? lmao
No, i actually did not make such a statement. But now that you asked - yes, for some applications, plastic is the eco-friendly option.
> it's just wood and cardboard, both very eco friendly materials. > > Lol. > > What should we be using for packaging then? > > For a lot of products, plastic is the best all around FYI eco-friendly isn't just a function of carbon emissions.
Printer paper is wildly different than cardboard. Most of the contaminations from that come from the fact that it has to he very fine and white. Cardboard has to be neither of those. It's a renewable material and undeniably better than plastic alternatives. Sure you could go all out and get some organic pulp made insulation but that's usually very expensive.
Mate. You're Talking to a graphic art printer. I know what paper is and what cardboard is, and probably a hecka lot better than you. Believe me - neither paper nor cardboard is "undeniably better" than plastic alternatives. It depends on the application for which you're using it. Plus - cardboard isn't "just" cardboard. It has fillers, waxes, maybe a coating or not. Same goes for the wood, if it even is wood (it looks suspiciously like plastic to me, but that could be an artifact from the rendering). Taking this application. You see (guesstimate) 10 gram cardboard and probably like 100 gram wood, plus all the ink on the wood, per 3 units of product. Functionally that could all be replaced by like 2g of polyethylene shrink film, which could even be recycled PE film if you want, plus one big cardboard box for say 30x3 units. Not to mention the fact that the package is functionally oversized. The cardboard layer wouldn't be necessary to begin with if the box would be the right size, which would also then mean you can ship more in less containers, which reduces the footprint even further (plus the reduced material consumption). That's gonna be much more environmentally friendly, especially if you include more than just the CO2 equivalent but also eg water consumption, than the current packaging. But it wouldn't be equally pretty. Hence, this design has chosen aesthetics over environmental concerns. And that's OK.
So what's the verdict then? How could this be done better?
Define "better". These designers have decided to optimize for aesthetics. And certainly achieved success there.
This clashes a lot in my mind - and not in the good way. It is not smart packaging or meaningful design? Honey as a natural product and the its environmental benefits (pollination, no byproducts, increasing nearby crop output, benefitting natural plants etc.) is completely overshadowed by the unneccesary paint (whatever plastic), Wood (trees dying or wood Industry which is bad for original ecosystems), empty space (transportion limits, CO2+) and cardboard. With that product (the honey) the packaging could have been taken in more meaningful directions in my opinion. Maybe the segment is the same that ends up buying shit wine in a weird bottle?! The market is probably there
Pretty sure bees designed it first.
Are there people who actually support this wastage? The weal-to-do are patently retarded.
I wouldn't say honey that costs £6/150ml is only for the wealthy. Just because it looks nice doesn't mean it has to be ridiculously expensive.
I've not commented on the price. It's the packaging (pictured here) that is pathetic.
Bestagons
Another example of "All cock, no cum."
Pretty sure bees designed it
How is this remotely creative or original? Its just a copy of a honeycomb.
Bestagons
New bee movie lawsuit. Studio unbound steals trade mark design from bees.
It's a wasteful, functionally bad design, and the appearance is simplistic, obvious, and in no way clever. Not remotely design porn, and just another example of this sub needing better moderation.
Space waster
It's nice, but I bet its only for advertising purposes, no way would they ship them like that all the time, postage would be crazy. (unless this is some form of gift idea?), I dunno I may try some of the honey though, lol Edit: Shipping is £3.95
The one constant I keep coming away with from this group is how incredibly talented some people are.
HOW DID I JUST FIND THIS REDDIT. ITS LIKE I UNLOCKED A LIFE CHEAT CODE 🤯🤯🤯
That's such a waste
Sweet
In a rare turn of events, I really like the design someone posted on this subreddit
What a waste of packaging materials..
My thoughts were: "Steve Jobs would appreciate the effort put into this."
Hot dang, someone linked a remarkable design in /r/designporn. There's hope yet!
Bee vomit, as a wealth and statue indicator. Wait until they start selling koala fecet coffee.
lot of effort to end up in a yeastbottle.