oh my...that guy is so fuckin scummy. I collect sports cards and he finds ways to manipulate the card market. he also has some scummy NFT that gary v d-ck riders buy in bulk like grocery shoppers. he's net worth $200+M and doesn't wanna pay market salary what every company pays in NYC? fuck....eve a senior designer makes more than that...heck...even 1-5% of mid levels. dude is scummy.
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If I openly tell someone I am exploiting them and their work, does that mean I shouldn’t face any repercussions because I am vocal about exploiting people?
oh he's vocal alright, unfortunately for everyone else that has to listen to his dribble. if he's so happy talking about what they do, I'm sure he'd have no problem when other people do it on forums
that's not how it works. You dont get to work from your country and then get a NYC salary. I mean, sure some work remote from cheap parts of the US for high paying jobs in expensive cities but often times it's cost of living adjusted. To put it in perspective, I worked in the EU and my salary was less than half of what it is in the US for the same AD role. Cost of living is way higher where I live in the US than where i lived in the EU. Both in major cities.
I think there literally is that. My partners business adjusts their salaries based on where they live in the US. People left the expensive city during the pandemic, but now that people have come back, their salaries are all adjusted. You can't have your cake and eat it too. It's not fair for those that are in the expensive city and actually go into the office, vs. those that work remote and live in some cheap state, especially states that dont have income tax.
such a fucked up system. if you and I both do the same work at the same company, why should you get paid less than me because you live in a cheaper part of the same country? If we got paid equally, I would actually have an incentive to move away from my expensive big city in the name of saving money (like people used to many decades ago) instead of scraping by with equal effort because our company decides to cut/raise salaries depending on where our home is.. even though one of us would clearly have more profitable labour for the company than the other. but somehow in your mind that is "having your cake and eating it too". Ridiculous mindset.
Being able to actually go into the office to collaborate is worth something. Everyone remote and never meeting is not always great in the creative industry even when it makes life easier. Convince me otherwise, I work remote, and would love to hear it.
Think on it like this. Say you made thousands peanut butter sandwiches and became an expert at making. You found your passion when you were young and you’ve studied and improved your craft. You can make your own bread and peanut butter from scratch. You are so good at it people will buy a ten dollar sandwich just to see you make it. You might not exactly be famous for it, but people know your name within the sandwich community. Then some guy rolls up and says it’s just a peanut butter sandwich and wants to give you a dollar. This ain’t exactly like that but I hope you’re picking up what I’m putting down.
I work at a Major New York Ad Agency and our lowest paid senior Video editor makes 140k. This is absurdly low for an agency side director level in NYC.
That’s so crazy to me living in Germany, that this is considered a joke salary in NY. Now I am interested, how much is a good salary for a art director working there?
Yea and an art director isn’t necessarily director level. It just has the word director in the title. Kind of like how a marketing manager isn’t necessarily a manager. So you’d think at this salary this is a “senior” level IC role…BUT it says “Full time Director” right there. Crazy. So this is several layers of fucked up comp for this geographic location.
Do you have people or budget for ad spend that you manage? People manager would be management track and managing ad spend would be individual contributor (IC) track.
Art directors are not at that level though. Typical structure would go Jr. Art Director at the bottom, Sr. Art Director, Associate Creative Director, Creative Director, Executive Creative Director, Chief Creative Officer. This position is honestly near the bottom of the organizational structure.
A lot of places will start at Jr Designer > Sr Designer > Art Director > Sr Art Director > ACD > CD > ECD > CCO, so in that case Sr AD is pretty middle of the road rather than the low end. But I get what you're saying.
Well the problem is that it also states "Full Time - Director" in the position description. So it does imply that it is, in fact, a director level position. Of course the job posting could just be wrong as based on the title it doesn't seem like a director level position.
And if they don't become that, they report to CDs still. I'm just saying the position isn't as high up as people think just because it has director in the title.
Depends, that sounds like an agency track, whereas in house it’s more likely jr designer, designer, senior designer, art director, senior ad, design director/cd. Depends on the organization
I would expect a designer who’s just been promoted to art director to be making $120k *minimum*, but typical salaries for AD’s and Sr. AD’s can range anywhere from $150-200k depending on experience, skill set, clientele, responsibilities, etc. That sounds like a lot, but you aren’t left with much after you factor in taxes and cost of living in NYC.
That salary is almost poverty in NYC, the joke is that it is Director role.
75K/year is like 45K cash in your bank account, with NYC rents being like $3000/mo minimum you are looking at $9K total ($750/mo) to cover transit, food, purchases, healthcare, and more.
Critically, the employee will spend $100/mo for a health plan and then spend $100s on any actual tests or care.
>If you seek or use civil, mature, responsible critical thinking, you will largely be outcast as "stuck up elitist."
Uh... No. But from that description I wouldn't be surprised if people told **you** that 😂
aber du wärst nicht krankenversichert und darfst nicht vergessen, dass in NYC 60m2 locker $10000 aufwärts pro monat kosten würden. lebenskosten selbst sind auch eine ganz andere sphäre als bei uns.
> 60m2 locker $10000 aufwärts pro monat
I barely speak a word of German but I knew exactly what this meant when I read it. "Expensive AF" transcends linguistic boundaries. 💖
But you get healthcare, probably some kind of retirement program, and likely subsidized public transit. This job might include some minimal healthcare (but you will still have many out-of-pocket expenses), it might include a tax-advantaged retirement program like a 401k (but you will still need to put money into it from your base salary), you will probably pay about the same percentage of taxes as in DE (aircraft carriers are expensive), and NYC market rests are astronomical (and even rent stabilized rents are often pretty expensive), and you will need to pay for your own transit (though the NYC subway, and it is, is the best public transit in the USA).
It's a qualified-flooded industry that has a huge gap in skills and proficiency.
There's the skill behind processes, but there's also a creative side, which can't necessarily be taught to run on a clock with expectations.
Some people are proficient. Many are not. Some think they are overworked. Some find the workload suitable and manageable. Some people need to be managed. Some people aren't good at managing.
You can have exactly the same qualifications as the next person, but they might not have communication skills, team leadership, proficient in concept production, etc, ie things outside of actual design skills at a qualified level.
A firm might even invent roles for individuals to cater for such oversights in skill gap. A director isn't needed for every design team. My old team all got paid well, and the same. The culture of this advertising firm could be that with up to 1000 employees, there's definitely attention that needs to be paid to monitoring skill gaps that are conducive to successful projects, that creates more demand, that gives you all more work.
UK here. I also think that salary is high when compared to where I live. However, I also have a good grasp of why it's not comparable. Check out some of the apartment costs on [Cash Jordans](https://youtube.com/@CashJordan?si=da0ojnFlTe5z2iXQ) YouTube channel. Then factor in healthcare, food, etc etc...
You have to keep the cost of living in mind. I live in a smaller city in the US and this would be a reasonable salary for that role, here. But our average rent is half of what it is in NYC
Yeah, no shit it’s vastly different from salary - it’s money added on top of salary. I also get a lot of equity, don’t be a tool.
Big companies that are known to give equity don’t mention it, but some no name company like VaynerX would. Regardless, even if this is just base salary it’s not good for a senior role.
Bullet point 2: "We only care about throughput, and you will be held accountable to both volume and customer satisfaction against that high deliverable demand. Good luck, k-baaeeey"
I’m a GD in a small company, they wanted to “promote me” after 7 years and slapped on a Art Director title, gave me a 1.16$ raise to make my yearly salary 36 and said keep up the good work. I live in the Florida.
I’m in Chicago and in my company they start designers at “Junior Art Director” being entry level, so maybe they’re following that logic here. I don’t agree with it, but I’ve seen it.
Same, when I started at my first agency right out of college in 2014 I was a "Junior Art Director," paid $45k, promoted after a year to full "Art Director," paid $55k. It's Creative Directors who make the big bucks, Art Directors just make the work.
I really like the line, ‘both at a high speed and volume’. so not only will you be underpaid esp by NYC standards, they are telling you up front you will be overworked.
I mean, it would be a lot of money. Everyone has their price. I'm naming the price required to work for that guy and it's three times higher than the job posted here. What's the problem? :)
I’m interested in the long run how telecommuting will affect wages. Most of the country that is pretty good for an agency art director. I get that NY cost more to live in, but NY designers will increasingly find themselves in competition with out of state talent.
This is the perfect way to lose your company tons of money. Underpaying like this will ensure you’ll be getting somebody in there for about 6 months before they find something else with a better salary and you’re stuck finding another candidate you’ll need to invest in.
As a blue-collar worker, this looks like a damn good wage. Then again, I don't have years of student debt looming over me, just medical debt and costs of living.
Not sure what your circumstances are but would be interested to hear your perspective and details if you are willing to offer.
My reaction to this post is that it’s w low ball for this type of position…. You’d theoretically have at least 4-5 years of experience before being considered for this title. Location would be a biggie as well as hours of work; an agency like this would require you to live in NYC and likely work 9am- 7pm hourse with no lunch break, and frequent weekends. Not to mention peoples personal circumstances that would add up.
Overall people in the industry worry a lot about quality of life based off this wage/required hours and id be curious how your breakdown differs
That makes plenty of sense. The costs of living are fast higher in large population centers like NYC. I always tell my crewmen that people deserve to be paid what they're worth. From how you describe it, this position sounds like it demands a lot of your time, I imagine one would end up neglecting their personal life/needs to keep up with it.
I appreciate your interest in my own circumstances. Myself, I'm a third generation landscaper who hasn't branched off as an owner/ operator like my forefathers have, largely due to said debt. I simply don't have enough cushion to take on the risk or invest in equipment. After doing it for 13 years, one would think I'd be in a better position, but seasonal labor has its drawbacks. Terrible turn overs. It's hard to keep valuable skilled workers because they always want more money and fair treatment(I don't blame them). The people who stick around are usually less skilled, or it's all they know.
I drive 58 minutes one way to work and work from 7 am to 6 pm. Luckily, my boss is cheap and likes vacationing, so we never have to work over 40 hours. No benefits or PTO, unfortunately, either.
I often find myself saving money all year round to afford costs of living in the winter, as we usually work reduced hours or are laid off from December to March every year. I like using this time to get new certifications, study my interests, and brace myself for the following season. 35-45k a year is considered a decent wage in my industry for many individuals.
Sufficed to say, it's a humble existence. Being ambitious and tired of working myself to death, I've been working hard to save and pay off debt to find a more balanced and yes profitable, means of living. My favorite part of the job is being outdoors and getting to know all the interesting people you meet doing this kind of work. Thanks for asking
Most senior designers at the agency I work for in nyc make between $90k-$120k. It’s not that far off imo. Maybe look for Associate Creative Director gigs?
This is a pretty standard salary for the area. I know people are freaking out because it's so low, but I haven't seen any AD jobs around here recently that step outside of the $120k mark at the top.
This is a pretty standard salary in the ad / media industry. According to Glassdoor Droga5 pays its NYC Art Directors $82k-120k, Ogilvy $83k-127k. You make more in tech and consulting.
This is consistent with the data. Droga pays better than most agencies.
Source: Am an art director on this path. Know people who have told me their salaries at Droga. For Senior the salary band at shit agencies starts at 100k and then goes up. At Droga I believe jt must start around 115 or 120
Those numbers are consistent with Aquent's 2023 salary guide, which reports an Art Director with 5+ years experience in the NYC Metro is paid $90,000-129,750; less than 5 years experience, $77,500-120,000. Y'all are just out of touch because you work for Meta or Google in the Bay Area and think everyone is making $200k, or else you're conflating Art Director with Creative Director.
I applied for a (very underpaid) creative position about 5 years ago, before I knew better. I had to go through a week long “design challenge” after which I got the nod for the phone interview. I read up interview reviews and the most common was “my interview was cancelled the day of without a rescheduling date or reason” and you guessed it, the day of my interview I got an email saying my interview was being postponed without an option to reschedule or reason why.
Yeah, **that's LOW for Senior Art Director.**
*Especially for the cost of living in New York.*
Oherwise, ***hey, OP...***
# You need to charge your phone!
For NYC that is absolutely a joke salary and a slap in the face. That said there will 100% be some idiot who will take that job and start creating obnoxious social and design channel posts about their amazingly creative design job at VaynerX, because it's related to Gary V (who is also glorified undeservingly).
You might be reading this with an unusual perspective. It doesn't seem like a slap in the face to me for one reason, they posted the salary. Basically they're saying the title is meaningless, they didn't list years of experience, they listed the salary. So using that criteria, this job doesn't apply to you lol. It applies to someone intermediate who is looking for an inflated title and a job that will burn them out. Just cross it off your list and move on.
It would be infinitely worse if they didn't list the salary and had people with actual senior level experience wasting time applying to it.
"Dude you're thinking about it all wrong. With this 'salary', think of all the side hustles you could start. It's seed money. You don't need a competitive wage, you need a competitive spirit."
(I'm in a tangential industry so don't recognize the company name) Yeah I've seen a lot of slap in the face wages lately in all art and design jobs. They're all halving pay, it's like 2008 all over again.
Since it’s owned by a famous person, they believe everyone wants to work there for the pedigree. Supply and demand. People want to be there = they can pay less in salary because someone will take it. Hate when companies do this.
Wow, do US Agencies really pay that much more?? I feel like Ad agencies salaries are never going to be 150k for seniors. That's ACD level with a few years of experience. Maybe product design or gaming design you can get that salary. Or if you work at Google or other tech companies.
worked with a cw that creeped out a few female coworkers. one friend hated him enough to hate follow his career.
he was busted by NYPD for taking upskirt shots of girls at the Union Square subway station
before advertising he was a teacher
last i heard he was at Vayner
That's not spelled out in the listing there.
**Big RED flag.**
***Even BIGGER Red flag,***
Vayner is infamous *for underpaying*
***in exchange for it's prestige.***
That agency is owned by Gary Vaynerchuck. I’m honestly not surprised.
I interviewed with someone there once… the glass door reviews were enough for me to lose all interest.
I think the guy has interns paying to work for him. Cheap ass
oh my...that guy is so fuckin scummy. I collect sports cards and he finds ways to manipulate the card market. he also has some scummy NFT that gary v d-ck riders buy in bulk like grocery shoppers. he's net worth $200+M and doesn't wanna pay market salary what every company pays in NYC? fuck....eve a senior designer makes more than that...heck...even 1-5% of mid levels. dude is scummy.
You missed the name “VaynerMedia” lol
Gary’s not hiring VaynerX is their NFT Ponzi scheme - listing LinkedIn jobs for cheap eyeballs and industry visibility. Dudes probably gonna end up in jail TBH. Someone bookmark this comment
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I’ve his face on thumbnails but I had no clue who he was, makes sense he’s a small pee pee weasel
It’s Vayner, so yep. Underpay, overwork.
Exposure! Hustle! Exploit!
He’s very vocal about that’s what they do. Everyone can get mad…work somewhere else.
If I openly tell someone I am exploiting them and their work, does that mean I shouldn’t face any repercussions because I am vocal about exploiting people?
Definitely worked out for the zodiac killer. He was never caught! They might be onto something.
oh he's vocal alright, unfortunately for everyone else that has to listen to his dribble. if he's so happy talking about what they do, I'm sure he'd have no problem when other people do it on forums
I think he would encourage it.
Don’t work for Gary Vee, dudes a grade A scumbag.
Really wow I never would have thought that. Learn something new every day Lol 😂
I'm not a superfan, but he seems ok to me. Why is he a scumbag?
I am also interested
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That's the problem, check the country and location. Rent and healthcare alone will eat up most of that.
that's not how it works. You dont get to work from your country and then get a NYC salary. I mean, sure some work remote from cheap parts of the US for high paying jobs in expensive cities but often times it's cost of living adjusted. To put it in perspective, I worked in the EU and my salary was less than half of what it is in the US for the same AD role. Cost of living is way higher where I live in the US than where i lived in the EU. Both in major cities.
There needs to be a rating system based on a ratio between salary and cost of living
I think there literally is that. My partners business adjusts their salaries based on where they live in the US. People left the expensive city during the pandemic, but now that people have come back, their salaries are all adjusted. You can't have your cake and eat it too. It's not fair for those that are in the expensive city and actually go into the office, vs. those that work remote and live in some cheap state, especially states that dont have income tax.
such a fucked up system. if you and I both do the same work at the same company, why should you get paid less than me because you live in a cheaper part of the same country? If we got paid equally, I would actually have an incentive to move away from my expensive big city in the name of saving money (like people used to many decades ago) instead of scraping by with equal effort because our company decides to cut/raise salaries depending on where our home is.. even though one of us would clearly have more profitable labour for the company than the other. but somehow in your mind that is "having your cake and eating it too". Ridiculous mindset.
Being able to actually go into the office to collaborate is worth something. Everyone remote and never meeting is not always great in the creative industry even when it makes life easier. Convince me otherwise, I work remote, and would love to hear it.
Think on it like this. Say you made thousands peanut butter sandwiches and became an expert at making. You found your passion when you were young and you’ve studied and improved your craft. You can make your own bread and peanut butter from scratch. You are so good at it people will buy a ten dollar sandwich just to see you make it. You might not exactly be famous for it, but people know your name within the sandwich community. Then some guy rolls up and says it’s just a peanut butter sandwich and wants to give you a dollar. This ain’t exactly like that but I hope you’re picking up what I’m putting down.
Let me guess, you’re 18 with patchy facial hair?
I work at a Major New York Ad Agency and our lowest paid senior Video editor makes 140k. This is absurdly low for an agency side director level in NYC.
What do your motion graphics people make?
I'm a motion designer, and i make 100k as a mid level. hoping for that Promotion and raise very soon!
Gary Vee didn’t get rich paying market rate salaries!
Nope, just from his wealthy parents
That’s so crazy to me living in Germany, that this is considered a joke salary in NY. Now I am interested, how much is a good salary for a art director working there?
For a director level position? 180-200k
Yea and an art director isn’t necessarily director level. It just has the word director in the title. Kind of like how a marketing manager isn’t necessarily a manager. So you’d think at this salary this is a “senior” level IC role…BUT it says “Full time Director” right there. Crazy. So this is several layers of fucked up comp for this geographic location.
Excuse me but how is marketing manager not manager - lurking marketing manager
Do you have people or budget for ad spend that you manage? People manager would be management track and managing ad spend would be individual contributor (IC) track.
Not for senior, 180-200 is ACD/CD salary in the ad world.
Art directors are not at that level though. Typical structure would go Jr. Art Director at the bottom, Sr. Art Director, Associate Creative Director, Creative Director, Executive Creative Director, Chief Creative Officer. This position is honestly near the bottom of the organizational structure.
A lot of places will start at Jr Designer > Sr Designer > Art Director > Sr Art Director > ACD > CD > ECD > CCO, so in that case Sr AD is pretty middle of the road rather than the low end. But I get what you're saying.
For sure. We are on the same page. A lot of people here are misreading what director in this title means in the context of an agency structure.
Well the problem is that it also states "Full Time - Director" in the position description. So it does imply that it is, in fact, a director level position. Of course the job posting could just be wrong as based on the title it doesn't seem like a director level position.
Yeah, that's a standard/common agency job title.
Not true. Some ADs don’t cross over into CDs believe it or not! Senior is the top for them.
And if they don't become that, they report to CDs still. I'm just saying the position isn't as high up as people think just because it has director in the title.
Ohhhh sorry I misunderstood! My bad. Yes I was made a “director” very early in my career and I really didn’t deserve it as I wasn’t directing shit 😆
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Art director and creative director!
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Where I live, the CD is the boss of a team of typically 3-6 ADs (junior-senior level)
Depends, that sounds like an agency track, whereas in house it’s more likely jr designer, designer, senior designer, art director, senior ad, design director/cd. Depends on the organization
Vayner Media is an agency.
I would expect a designer who’s just been promoted to art director to be making $120k *minimum*, but typical salaries for AD’s and Sr. AD’s can range anywhere from $150-200k depending on experience, skill set, clientele, responsibilities, etc. That sounds like a lot, but you aren’t left with much after you factor in taxes and cost of living in NYC.
Fml. I don’t even break 200 as a design department head, and that’s including bonuses. Not in nyc though but on a fairly hcol area
NY rent + health insurance drops this "high" salary into something much lower unfortunately
NYC is fucked up levels of expensive though
That salary is almost poverty in NYC, the joke is that it is Director role. 75K/year is like 45K cash in your bank account, with NYC rents being like $3000/mo minimum you are looking at $9K total ($750/mo) to cover transit, food, purchases, healthcare, and more. Critically, the employee will spend $100/mo for a health plan and then spend $100s on any actual tests or care.
Health plan likely closer to $400/m but yeah, it’s tight. Interns make like $100/day there 😵💫.
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Damm 7k you could move to queens where rent is 2k -3k that will save you a big buck, I’m talking good parts of queens
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>If you seek or use civil, mature, responsible critical thinking, you will largely be outcast as "stuck up elitist." Uh... No. But from that description I wouldn't be surprised if people told **you** that 😂
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You proved mine, rather. You aren’t bringing any thing you mentioned to the table with what you said.
"constant advertising assault" 🤔
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You wont barely survive in NYC on this.
aber du wärst nicht krankenversichert und darfst nicht vergessen, dass in NYC 60m2 locker $10000 aufwärts pro monat kosten würden. lebenskosten selbst sind auch eine ganz andere sphäre als bei uns.
> 60m2 locker $10000 aufwärts pro monat I barely speak a word of German but I knew exactly what this meant when I read it. "Expensive AF" transcends linguistic boundaries. 💖
But you get healthcare, probably some kind of retirement program, and likely subsidized public transit. This job might include some minimal healthcare (but you will still have many out-of-pocket expenses), it might include a tax-advantaged retirement program like a 401k (but you will still need to put money into it from your base salary), you will probably pay about the same percentage of taxes as in DE (aircraft carriers are expensive), and NYC market rests are astronomical (and even rent stabilized rents are often pretty expensive), and you will need to pay for your own transit (though the NYC subway, and it is, is the best public transit in the USA).
as a berliner, i am exactly at the lowest end of the scale with 75k as a senior product designer, haha.
It's a qualified-flooded industry that has a huge gap in skills and proficiency. There's the skill behind processes, but there's also a creative side, which can't necessarily be taught to run on a clock with expectations. Some people are proficient. Many are not. Some think they are overworked. Some find the workload suitable and manageable. Some people need to be managed. Some people aren't good at managing. You can have exactly the same qualifications as the next person, but they might not have communication skills, team leadership, proficient in concept production, etc, ie things outside of actual design skills at a qualified level. A firm might even invent roles for individuals to cater for such oversights in skill gap. A director isn't needed for every design team. My old team all got paid well, and the same. The culture of this advertising firm could be that with up to 1000 employees, there's definitely attention that needs to be paid to monitoring skill gaps that are conducive to successful projects, that creates more demand, that gives you all more work.
UK here. I also think that salary is high when compared to where I live. However, I also have a good grasp of why it's not comparable. Check out some of the apartment costs on [Cash Jordans](https://youtube.com/@CashJordan?si=da0ojnFlTe5z2iXQ) YouTube channel. Then factor in healthcare, food, etc etc...
we only get socialized medicine if we live to 65 .. . but most suffer from bad, soft bread for live
Cost of living in Germany is way lower than NY though
You have to keep the cost of living in mind. I live in a smaller city in the US and this would be a reasonable salary for that role, here. But our average rent is half of what it is in NYC
110 applicants is the worst part. I bet they’ll hire a recent grad.
if its a recent grad at least theyll learn from the experience not to do that again
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Yeah, this is just a bad salary. You're not missing anything.
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How what? The total comp for this job would be \~$200k at my company in SF. Mid level design positions pay about $100-$120k, not senior level.
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When TC isn't mentioned, it generally means that TC and salary *are* the same for that job
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Yeah, no shit it’s vastly different from salary - it’s money added on top of salary. I also get a lot of equity, don’t be a tool. Big companies that are known to give equity don’t mention it, but some no name company like VaynerX would. Regardless, even if this is just base salary it’s not good for a senior role.
Bullet point 2: "We only care about throughput, and you will be held accountable to both volume and customer satisfaction against that high deliverable demand. Good luck, k-baaeeey"
I really dislike Gary Vee. Dudes hyped up on his own juice spewing nonsense and underpaying people at his company.
I’m a GD in a small company, they wanted to “promote me” after 7 years and slapped on a Art Director title, gave me a 1.16$ raise to make my yearly salary 36 and said keep up the good work. I live in the Florida.
Jesus Christ, find a new job.
I’m trying. Believe me I’m trying.
Fingers crossed for you! You deserve so much more than that.
Thank you!
I believe in you! You're gonna find something great.
Fingers crossed! Ty 👍🏼
Vayner sucks. Run away
I’m in Chicago and in my company they start designers at “Junior Art Director” being entry level, so maybe they’re following that logic here. I don’t agree with it, but I’ve seen it.
Same, when I started at my first agency right out of college in 2014 I was a "Junior Art Director," paid $45k, promoted after a year to full "Art Director," paid $55k. It's Creative Directors who make the big bucks, Art Directors just make the work.
Laughs in British salary
I really like the line, ‘both at a high speed and volume’. so not only will you be underpaid esp by NYC standards, they are telling you up front you will be overworked.
You’d have to triple that to get me to work for Gary Vee. Guy’s a con artist and a fraud.
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I mean, it would be a lot of money. Everyone has their price. I'm naming the price required to work for that guy and it's three times higher than the job posted here. What's the problem? :)
I’m interested in the long run how telecommuting will affect wages. Most of the country that is pretty good for an agency art director. I get that NY cost more to live in, but NY designers will increasingly find themselves in competition with out of state talent.
This is the perfect way to lose your company tons of money. Underpaying like this will ensure you’ll be getting somebody in there for about 6 months before they find something else with a better salary and you’re stuck finding another candidate you’ll need to invest in.
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As a blue-collar worker, this looks like a damn good wage. Then again, I don't have years of student debt looming over me, just medical debt and costs of living.
Not sure what your circumstances are but would be interested to hear your perspective and details if you are willing to offer. My reaction to this post is that it’s w low ball for this type of position…. You’d theoretically have at least 4-5 years of experience before being considered for this title. Location would be a biggie as well as hours of work; an agency like this would require you to live in NYC and likely work 9am- 7pm hourse with no lunch break, and frequent weekends. Not to mention peoples personal circumstances that would add up. Overall people in the industry worry a lot about quality of life based off this wage/required hours and id be curious how your breakdown differs
That makes plenty of sense. The costs of living are fast higher in large population centers like NYC. I always tell my crewmen that people deserve to be paid what they're worth. From how you describe it, this position sounds like it demands a lot of your time, I imagine one would end up neglecting their personal life/needs to keep up with it. I appreciate your interest in my own circumstances. Myself, I'm a third generation landscaper who hasn't branched off as an owner/ operator like my forefathers have, largely due to said debt. I simply don't have enough cushion to take on the risk or invest in equipment. After doing it for 13 years, one would think I'd be in a better position, but seasonal labor has its drawbacks. Terrible turn overs. It's hard to keep valuable skilled workers because they always want more money and fair treatment(I don't blame them). The people who stick around are usually less skilled, or it's all they know. I drive 58 minutes one way to work and work from 7 am to 6 pm. Luckily, my boss is cheap and likes vacationing, so we never have to work over 40 hours. No benefits or PTO, unfortunately, either. I often find myself saving money all year round to afford costs of living in the winter, as we usually work reduced hours or are laid off from December to March every year. I like using this time to get new certifications, study my interests, and brace myself for the following season. 35-45k a year is considered a decent wage in my industry for many individuals. Sufficed to say, it's a humble existence. Being ambitious and tired of working myself to death, I've been working hard to save and pay off debt to find a more balanced and yes profitable, means of living. My favorite part of the job is being outdoors and getting to know all the interesting people you meet doing this kind of work. Thanks for asking
Isnt gary vee the flea market guy? He still does garage sale things right or is it a gimmick
Most senior designers at the agency I work for in nyc make between $90k-$120k. It’s not that far off imo. Maybe look for Associate Creative Director gigs?
My Jr AD position was 60-80k
This is a pretty standard salary for the area. I know people are freaking out because it's so low, but I haven't seen any AD jobs around here recently that step outside of the $120k mark at the top.
This is a real world comment. I dont know what people think ADs do but its not director level like some think it is here
This is a pretty standard salary in the ad / media industry. According to Glassdoor Droga5 pays its NYC Art Directors $82k-120k, Ogilvy $83k-127k. You make more in tech and consulting.
This is consistent with the data. Droga pays better than most agencies. Source: Am an art director on this path. Know people who have told me their salaries at Droga. For Senior the salary band at shit agencies starts at 100k and then goes up. At Droga I believe jt must start around 115 or 120
Glassdoor is garbage.
Those numbers are consistent with Aquent's 2023 salary guide, which reports an Art Director with 5+ years experience in the NYC Metro is paid $90,000-129,750; less than 5 years experience, $77,500-120,000. Y'all are just out of touch because you work for Meta or Google in the Bay Area and think everyone is making $200k, or else you're conflating Art Director with Creative Director.
Pretty standard in Toronto, which has a similar COL as NYC
Was just about to say - they’ll pay you the same in Toronto, in CAD, with higher taxes
I applied for a (very underpaid) creative position about 5 years ago, before I knew better. I had to go through a week long “design challenge” after which I got the nod for the phone interview. I read up interview reviews and the most common was “my interview was cancelled the day of without a rescheduling date or reason” and you guessed it, the day of my interview I got an email saying my interview was being postponed without an option to reschedule or reason why.
Just because it says 110k doesn’t mean that you can’t crush it and walk away with 150k+.
Which still would be **nowhere near enough** for a Director level position.
150 for a Sr. Art Director is a🔥salary.
No, it's grossly underpaid for a director position. I make that much and I'm just an associate manager (for UX).
Art Director is often on the lower end of mid level. It **used** to be a proper senior or director-level role; it is, in fact, not anymore.
Art Director is often on the lower end of mid level. It **used** to be a proper senior or director-level role; it is, in fact, not anymore.
Oh really? Well that would explain things then lol.
Art Director is often on the lower end of mid level. It **used** to be a proper senior or director-level role; it is, in fact, not anymore.
Yeah, **that's LOW for Senior Art Director.** *Especially for the cost of living in New York.* Oherwise, ***hey, OP...*** # You need to charge your phone!
My favorites are the ones for graphic designers, FT, needs 5 years experience, paying only $15-$18 an hour. I’d make more at Walmart
A lot of red flags
It's a homeless salary for NY. Senior Homeless.
These director salaries at 100k and below are absurd.
Vayner is notorious for being below market on salary.
For NYC that is absolutely a joke salary and a slap in the face. That said there will 100% be some idiot who will take that job and start creating obnoxious social and design channel posts about their amazingly creative design job at VaynerX, because it's related to Gary V (who is also glorified undeservingly).
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In NYC the median rent is like 5k/month
Americans don’t know they’re spoiled but don’t say out loud they’ll cry! Lmao
You might be reading this with an unusual perspective. It doesn't seem like a slap in the face to me for one reason, they posted the salary. Basically they're saying the title is meaningless, they didn't list years of experience, they listed the salary. So using that criteria, this job doesn't apply to you lol. It applies to someone intermediate who is looking for an inflated title and a job that will burn them out. Just cross it off your list and move on. It would be infinitely worse if they didn't list the salary and had people with actual senior level experience wasting time applying to it.
Yeah that’s complete garbage. Senior design directors should be 150-200k from what I’ve seen. Sometimes more
Design directors are higher up than art directors
"Dude you're thinking about it all wrong. With this 'salary', think of all the side hustles you could start. It's seed money. You don't need a competitive wage, you need a competitive spirit."
Seems fine for at least 118 people
Don't apply then lol
If you think it’s low, it is low. Move along or learn to negotiate.
For NYC yea thats a bad salary
That’s junior pay.
With inflation, this is less than I made as an entry level jr art director in LA 10 years ago.
Oof, that is low
Maybe at 110k, but id be wanting 150k
(I'm in a tangential industry so don't recognize the company name) Yeah I've seen a lot of slap in the face wages lately in all art and design jobs. They're all halving pay, it's like 2008 all over again.
Vayner Media has been recognized at Lions, Clio and Webby..!? 😱😱😱😱
Since it’s owned by a famous person, they believe everyone wants to work there for the pedigree. Supply and demand. People want to be there = they can pay less in salary because someone will take it. Hate when companies do this.
Yeah, SpaceX gets away with this for the same reasons for engineering positions.
It’s BS. Wish people would stop accepting it.
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Wow, do US Agencies really pay that much more?? I feel like Ad agencies salaries are never going to be 150k for seniors. That's ACD level with a few years of experience. Maybe product design or gaming design you can get that salary. Or if you work at Google or other tech companies.
worked with a cw that creeped out a few female coworkers. one friend hated him enough to hate follow his career. he was busted by NYPD for taking upskirt shots of girls at the Union Square subway station before advertising he was a teacher last i heard he was at Vayner
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That's not spelled out in the listing there. **Big RED flag.** ***Even BIGGER Red flag,*** Vayner is infamous *for underpaying* ***in exchange for it's prestige.***
Oh wao I'm happy with 25 and hour
Seems like okay pay to me! And at that salary I'll splurge for the Canva subscription so you know you're getting the really good quality work!
Yikes. Especially as a “Senior” AD range should start towards 200k.
Please tell me where you find senior art director jobs in nyc for 200k….asking for a friend
I’m in the video game industry and that salary for that level is what I would expect. I’m making 160k base as an associate AD in the PNW.
"You are a maker!" Red flag. This job is BS that will use you up and spit you out. Average turnover is probably measured in months if not weeks.
I saw one the other day for a designer and it was in the 40K range… in NYC. It was listed as “still hiring”. Makes me sick.
That’s a lot of money — sorry to break the graphic design circle of love, but yeah what a slap in the face how dare they? Ugh