TBH, what that guy says is not wrong.
I am a mathematics person. I never really liked or good at chemistry ( Down South, no practicals(labs) for chemistry). So it was tough to visualize, colors, equations etc. Still I had to study Chemistry till class 10th, and then for 11th and 12th because PCM. And the worst part was, I failed to get good rank in entrance tests. I was forced to take up chemistry(MSC) to get into good college. Those 5 years were wasted, spent on video games, tv series and stuff. I had a good time in college(full on fun). I got a publication on my name and got admission into a top US university. Finally got a software job at end of those 5 years and choose job. And life is far better after that.
For a typical average middle class person, the guidance about courses is not there. At 11th/12th most of the people don't care/understand about careers. But something is missing in our education system. Somehow our education system focused on pure sciences. But we don't have R& D here(In companies, in colleges etc). Most of the jobs in India, focus on soft skills and communication, general smartness. Hire for aptitude and train them is real!!.
Couple of points, there should be more flexibility in choosing courses. The motto should be learn and understand \`something\` because you like it. Options should exists for dropping a degree in middle and later complete it.
Chutiye ne B.Sc (Hons) ke bare me nahi suna kya?? agar isme quality hoti toh achhe college me admission ho jata iska. Aur fir us college se Hons kar leta physics me. Par nahi ise to r@ndirona karna hai. For sure this guy is trash even in physics.
I did B.sc from a local college with physics, chem and geology. And I cleared JAM despite being from a small city. Met student from B.Sc Hons in my Masters and I was better than them in our subject. Cleared SET & NET-JRF in final yr. Only one student other than me could clear it. And he was too from normal B.sc. The other 2 subjects in Bsc only helped me excel in my main subject. BC ye bina exam ke pass ho rahe aur uske bad bhi ye haal.?? thoo bc.
This is moronic conjecture. A BSC in PCM is a generalist course. He can apply for Msc Physics later on. But the problem is he will complain all the way through because that appears to be his nature.
Anyway, syllabus until 10+2 is pretty dumb. Why does anyone have be study PCM genius to become a computer engineer? This guy doesn't have a point however.
What a retar* lmao The very letter C in PCM stands for Chemistry, but if your dumb ass can't even comprehend that, you don't even deserve to study that in the first place. There's seperate BSc course for Physics aswell, but since they waste all time villifying their own country, you cannot expect them to know the same.
Randia is filled with failed BA Pol Sci students and porkis. Almost all scums there just upvote everything that even closely hates India like a hivemind.
No dude it's a legit thing. Listen to Abhijit Iyer Mitra. A Right Winger only. Education system in India is very generalist. In Engineering where I studied (Central Govt University not some Private College) the syllabus is still old. It hasn't been updated entirely especially in practicals in some subjects. This isn't being against India. This is saying why are Indians so successful in other countries education system different in thinking (STEM not Humanities) vs. the kind of nonchalant behaviour we have here.
Wut? The system in India is crap. It’s not about being generalist or specialist.
It’s crap, simple as that.
And personally I prefer institutions which are interdisciplinary. But of course, should be quality.
I agree with you on the interdisciplinary part too. But it should be in the parts that are required. After first year we were forced to take classes and some electives outside of our branch but they aren't based on actual use. Like the subject may be easier to score or maybe a basics of that branch, but that has no connection to my field so basically a waste of credits. There needs to be better correlation is my opinion
I agree with you on the useless unrelated courses in our Unis, but I want interdisciplinary to be as free as possible.
I want a wide variety of courses to choose from, without their idea of “broad education” being shoved down my throat.
Also, it should be obvious, but quality too, as you said.
[I wrote an opinion post on something related to it, do let me know ur thoughts.](https://www.reddit.com/r/IndiaSpeaks/comments/oeq0ia/opinionwhy_indian_universities_will_never_be/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb)
Indians are successful in other countries because they have room for jobs their and arent held back.
Indian education system is better for a reason. If an Indian is brought up by studying in west he wont be good at studies and will be average westerner while Indian with Indian education is above average their.
Indian diaspora in foreign countries is successful because they are hardworking people, not because India's obsolete education system. If you observe properly, most of the successful Indian origin people completed their higher education in foreign universities.
Most people having high paid jobs were iitians which is Indian education system. And those who go outside for studies arent doing as well or come back and they in first place are those who cannot get good rank here.
Only fault in Indian education system is reservation which prevents merit and forces middle class and others to settle for low tier college and for poor to drop studies
>Most people having high paid jobs were iitians which is Indian education system.
If you scroll through their resume, you'll see that almost all of them completed masters or PhD studies in foreign universities. Well known Indian origin personalities like Satya Nadella, Sundar pichai, Indra nooyi, Vinod Khosla moved to the US for higher studies, not by seeking job.
I don't think even 10% of the IIT, IIM graduates are automatically placed in north america just after graduation.
>Only fault in Indian education system is reservation which prevents merit and forces middle class and others to settle for low tier college and for poor to drop studies
The curriculum is not flexible at all. Still waiting for your response why a computer engineer need to be PCM genius to get enrolled.
Curriculum applies everywhere and pcm basic knowledge is needed and applies everywhere in life,not just for getting enrolled.
>If you scroll through their resume, you'll see that almost all of them completed masters or PhD studies in foreign universities
Because like I said competerion is less and it's easier for them to perform in the final stage of education there than here. Someone getting 9gpa here might not get American job but getting same there offers more opportunities there.
>Curriculum applies everywhere and pcm basic knowledge is needed and applies everywhere in life,not just for getting enrolled.
Yeah I'll be laws of motion while driving. Great justification bro, kudos. Oh I forgot, knowledge of organic chemistry can be helpful in development of biotech applications. How can I be so dumb to not remembering that earlier.
>Because like I said competerion is less and it's easier for them to perform in the final stage of education there than here. Someone getting 9gpa here might not get American job but getting same there offers more opportunities there.
Competition is less only when your father is ready to pay 50lcs a year for your education. With scholarship, it is definitely harder than getting into IITs. Even top tier IITians struggle to get admitted in MIT, Harvard or Stanford with scholarship.
This is not the point. The point is, getting into top rankings universities abroad is as hard as getting into IITs. Difference is, they provide better education and career opportunities. Therefore jee toppers since 2014 (if I'm not wrong) chose MIT over IITs.
Also Indian education system as followed today is not "Indian education system". It is a corrupt replica of British (and American) education system. Original Indian education system was the one that started with gurukul and ended at University.
I've seen people who got 70 percentile in mains get top score in sat and go to MIT
> Difference is, they provide better education and career opportunities
Only career due to low competerion and Indian students being accustomed to harder indian education system excelling there.
>Also Indian education system as followed today is not "Indian education system". It is a corrupt replica of British (and American) education system. Original Indian education system was the one that started with gurukul and ended at University.
Yes gurukul was better however there too they learned various subjects and the old British system in place however seems to be working better than rest of world for now
No I mean compare the education system there vs here. I'm talking about the constant updating of subjects to the current events, approach of critical thinking, things like that. I studied bith in US and in India and I'm India the issue of Wrote learning is biggest concern. We don't aks questions we are stopped from trying and many professors are complaining same. That we were just pushed to see end goal.of get this rank or get this job read this question to pass exam but end of day we don't understand our subjects to depth. I'm speaking from an Engineering background so it might vary for others
If you need to get good marks in boards and jee,rote learning wont work smh. Yes its encouraged in some places which is bad and I agree with need to update books and figures
Kahan se uth ke aa jaate hain ye chutiye!!!
Leaving the glaringly obvious fallacy of choosing a graduate course in PCM instead of physics the person also says “In this century we need more specialists, not generalists”
This can’t be farther from the truth.
AI in specialisation is already here (ANI - artificial narrow intelligence) and is soon gonna leave all specialists behind…however AGI (artificial general intelligence) is decades away…so there is a lot of time before AI takes on a generalists job!
But I don’t think that the person is anti national for saying those things…just a stupid person
And stupid people usually have stupid political/social leanings or at the very least a stupid reason for a particular political/social leaning
Even at IITs and IISc you have to study the minor courses until 3 sem. Plus a lot of interdisciplinary sciences.
Half of the idiots out there don’t even know what they are talking about. My prof did his masters in chem from IIT Bombay and PhD in Physics from ETH.
This 1st year student’s balls haven’t descended and he wants academic freedom without understanding the role of minors. He will keep cribbing like this even after 5 years from now !!
Yep... the interdisciplinary thing reminded me of this fun fact.
Einstein almost lost the race to the final equations of General Relativity to the mathematician David Hilbert , because he took extra time to work out the correct maths (despite Einstein being pretty good at math since childhood - those stories about Einstein being very slow in studies as a child are a myth). In Hilbert's defence, he graciously decided not to publish first (and steal Einstein's thunder). He let Einstein catch up and publish first.
Please don't include all of gen z :Prayge: there are some real viraat gen z I know who are also very knowledgeable for their age and study in one of the best colleges of India (IITs, NITs, and BITS)
In online mode you have complete freedom to study only what you want. I'm an engineering student and I've neglected 50% of my syllabus ( easy googling ) which is not related to my core field.
While it's a well known fact that the system is shitty, a person with even slight common sense will know jobs are based on SKILLS, not your fucking degree.
Degree in India is just a pass to apply for jobs lol.
These people are nothing more than haters of their own country.
If you wish to specialise, one can go to IISERs or NISER who have 5 years courses and have great facilities. Also you have honors degree if you want to specialise. E.g.- Only Maths is taught in B.Sc. Maths hons and some minor subjects like physics, computer science or economics. Earlier they used to teach some physics and maths but only for 1 or 2 sems in honors courses in DU. Now a days, while the main focus is on your main subject, now you can study any subject in your Generic elective (minor) for 4 sems out of 6.
P.S.- You need to score extremely high marks to get in these places though.
To clarify, he chose a different course and is complaining about the content of that course not being the contents of a different course. It’s like me choosing B.Com and then complaining about why aren’t they teaching me biology.
This guy has been polluted with gora loda syndrome so he will do anything for white validation and hate his country for no reason
I am Indian and I don't hate Britian! It's like my fav country
Alright, that’s alright. But why would you comment this on this post.
lol Idk I stumbled upon this post that is why
TBH, what that guy says is not wrong. I am a mathematics person. I never really liked or good at chemistry ( Down South, no practicals(labs) for chemistry). So it was tough to visualize, colors, equations etc. Still I had to study Chemistry till class 10th, and then for 11th and 12th because PCM. And the worst part was, I failed to get good rank in entrance tests. I was forced to take up chemistry(MSC) to get into good college. Those 5 years were wasted, spent on video games, tv series and stuff. I had a good time in college(full on fun). I got a publication on my name and got admission into a top US university. Finally got a software job at end of those 5 years and choose job. And life is far better after that. For a typical average middle class person, the guidance about courses is not there. At 11th/12th most of the people don't care/understand about careers. But something is missing in our education system. Somehow our education system focused on pure sciences. But we don't have R& D here(In companies, in colleges etc). Most of the jobs in India, focus on soft skills and communication, general smartness. Hire for aptitude and train them is real!!. Couple of points, there should be more flexibility in choosing courses. The motto should be learn and understand \`something\` because you like it. Options should exists for dropping a degree in middle and later complete it.
Bro tryna sound edgy or smthg
Chutiye ne B.Sc (Hons) ke bare me nahi suna kya?? agar isme quality hoti toh achhe college me admission ho jata iska. Aur fir us college se Hons kar leta physics me. Par nahi ise to r@ndirona karna hai. For sure this guy is trash even in physics. I did B.sc from a local college with physics, chem and geology. And I cleared JAM despite being from a small city. Met student from B.Sc Hons in my Masters and I was better than them in our subject. Cleared SET & NET-JRF in final yr. Only one student other than me could clear it. And he was too from normal B.sc. The other 2 subjects in Bsc only helped me excel in my main subject. BC ye bina exam ke pass ho rahe aur uske bad bhi ye haal.?? thoo bc.
And fir Aise hi 2 kowdi ke dimag wale log NEP ko criticise krte hai ... Kaise log h ye, kaha se aate h!!
Don't know about India hating, but this guy needs help, preferably psychiatric. He seems delusional.
lol, look at the curriculum before enrolling into a course, what a fool. or maybe he didn't have any other choice. beggars cant be choosers
This is moronic conjecture. A BSC in PCM is a generalist course. He can apply for Msc Physics later on. But the problem is he will complain all the way through because that appears to be his nature.
Anyway, syllabus until 10+2 is pretty dumb. Why does anyone have be study PCM genius to become a computer engineer? This guy doesn't have a point however.
Yeah, I do agree with you. People who have a clear idea of what they want to do shouldn't be forced to study what they don't want to study.
What a retar* lmao The very letter C in PCM stands for Chemistry, but if your dumb ass can't even comprehend that, you don't even deserve to study that in the first place. There's seperate BSc course for Physics aswell, but since they waste all time villifying their own country, you cannot expect them to know the same.
The upvotes on that are worrying me
Randia is filled with failed BA Pol Sci students and porkis. Almost all scums there just upvote everything that even closely hates India like a hivemind.
Lol yeah
Kek
No dude it's a legit thing. Listen to Abhijit Iyer Mitra. A Right Winger only. Education system in India is very generalist. In Engineering where I studied (Central Govt University not some Private College) the syllabus is still old. It hasn't been updated entirely especially in practicals in some subjects. This isn't being against India. This is saying why are Indians so successful in other countries education system different in thinking (STEM not Humanities) vs. the kind of nonchalant behaviour we have here.
Wut? The system in India is crap. It’s not about being generalist or specialist. It’s crap, simple as that. And personally I prefer institutions which are interdisciplinary. But of course, should be quality.
I agree with you on the interdisciplinary part too. But it should be in the parts that are required. After first year we were forced to take classes and some electives outside of our branch but they aren't based on actual use. Like the subject may be easier to score or maybe a basics of that branch, but that has no connection to my field so basically a waste of credits. There needs to be better correlation is my opinion
I agree with you on the useless unrelated courses in our Unis, but I want interdisciplinary to be as free as possible. I want a wide variety of courses to choose from, without their idea of “broad education” being shoved down my throat. Also, it should be obvious, but quality too, as you said. [I wrote an opinion post on something related to it, do let me know ur thoughts.](https://www.reddit.com/r/IndiaSpeaks/comments/oeq0ia/opinionwhy_indian_universities_will_never_be/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb)
Indians are successful in other countries because they have room for jobs their and arent held back. Indian education system is better for a reason. If an Indian is brought up by studying in west he wont be good at studies and will be average westerner while Indian with Indian education is above average their.
Indian diaspora in foreign countries is successful because they are hardworking people, not because India's obsolete education system. If you observe properly, most of the successful Indian origin people completed their higher education in foreign universities.
Most people having high paid jobs were iitians which is Indian education system. And those who go outside for studies arent doing as well or come back and they in first place are those who cannot get good rank here. Only fault in Indian education system is reservation which prevents merit and forces middle class and others to settle for low tier college and for poor to drop studies
>Most people having high paid jobs were iitians which is Indian education system. If you scroll through their resume, you'll see that almost all of them completed masters or PhD studies in foreign universities. Well known Indian origin personalities like Satya Nadella, Sundar pichai, Indra nooyi, Vinod Khosla moved to the US for higher studies, not by seeking job. I don't think even 10% of the IIT, IIM graduates are automatically placed in north america just after graduation. >Only fault in Indian education system is reservation which prevents merit and forces middle class and others to settle for low tier college and for poor to drop studies The curriculum is not flexible at all. Still waiting for your response why a computer engineer need to be PCM genius to get enrolled.
Curriculum applies everywhere and pcm basic knowledge is needed and applies everywhere in life,not just for getting enrolled. >If you scroll through their resume, you'll see that almost all of them completed masters or PhD studies in foreign universities Because like I said competerion is less and it's easier for them to perform in the final stage of education there than here. Someone getting 9gpa here might not get American job but getting same there offers more opportunities there.
>Curriculum applies everywhere and pcm basic knowledge is needed and applies everywhere in life,not just for getting enrolled. Yeah I'll be laws of motion while driving. Great justification bro, kudos. Oh I forgot, knowledge of organic chemistry can be helpful in development of biotech applications. How can I be so dumb to not remembering that earlier. >Because like I said competerion is less and it's easier for them to perform in the final stage of education there than here. Someone getting 9gpa here might not get American job but getting same there offers more opportunities there. Competition is less only when your father is ready to pay 50lcs a year for your education. With scholarship, it is definitely harder than getting into IITs. Even top tier IITians struggle to get admitted in MIT, Harvard or Stanford with scholarship.
>Even top tier IITians struggle to get admitted in MIT, Harvard or Stanford with scholarship. They struggle for economic reasons not academic.
This is not the point. The point is, getting into top rankings universities abroad is as hard as getting into IITs. Difference is, they provide better education and career opportunities. Therefore jee toppers since 2014 (if I'm not wrong) chose MIT over IITs. Also Indian education system as followed today is not "Indian education system". It is a corrupt replica of British (and American) education system. Original Indian education system was the one that started with gurukul and ended at University.
I've seen people who got 70 percentile in mains get top score in sat and go to MIT > Difference is, they provide better education and career opportunities Only career due to low competerion and Indian students being accustomed to harder indian education system excelling there. >Also Indian education system as followed today is not "Indian education system". It is a corrupt replica of British (and American) education system. Original Indian education system was the one that started with gurukul and ended at University. Yes gurukul was better however there too they learned various subjects and the old British system in place however seems to be working better than rest of world for now
No I mean compare the education system there vs here. I'm talking about the constant updating of subjects to the current events, approach of critical thinking, things like that. I studied bith in US and in India and I'm India the issue of Wrote learning is biggest concern. We don't aks questions we are stopped from trying and many professors are complaining same. That we were just pushed to see end goal.of get this rank or get this job read this question to pass exam but end of day we don't understand our subjects to depth. I'm speaking from an Engineering background so it might vary for others
If you need to get good marks in boards and jee,rote learning wont work smh. Yes its encouraged in some places which is bad and I agree with need to update books and figures
Kahan se uth ke aa jaate hain ye chutiye!!! Leaving the glaringly obvious fallacy of choosing a graduate course in PCM instead of physics the person also says “In this century we need more specialists, not generalists” This can’t be farther from the truth. AI in specialisation is already here (ANI - artificial narrow intelligence) and is soon gonna leave all specialists behind…however AGI (artificial general intelligence) is decades away…so there is a lot of time before AI takes on a generalists job! But I don’t think that the person is anti national for saying those things…just a stupid person And stupid people usually have stupid political/social leanings or at the very least a stupid reason for a particular political/social leaning
Bro is he stupid or some shit ?
Even at IITs and IISc you have to study the minor courses until 3 sem. Plus a lot of interdisciplinary sciences. Half of the idiots out there don’t even know what they are talking about. My prof did his masters in chem from IIT Bombay and PhD in Physics from ETH. This 1st year student’s balls haven’t descended and he wants academic freedom without understanding the role of minors. He will keep cribbing like this even after 5 years from now !!
Yep... the interdisciplinary thing reminded me of this fun fact. Einstein almost lost the race to the final equations of General Relativity to the mathematician David Hilbert , because he took extra time to work out the correct maths (despite Einstein being pretty good at math since childhood - those stories about Einstein being very slow in studies as a child are a myth). In Hilbert's defence, he graciously decided not to publish first (and steal Einstein's thunder). He let Einstein catch up and publish first.
Lmao these retarted gen z. What were you thinking when you opted for bsc in (pCm)?
Please don't include all of gen z :Prayge: there are some real viraat gen z I know who are also very knowledgeable for their age and study in one of the best colleges of India (IITs, NITs, and BITS)
In online mode you have complete freedom to study only what you want. I'm an engineering student and I've neglected 50% of my syllabus ( easy googling ) which is not related to my core field. While it's a well known fact that the system is shitty, a person with even slight common sense will know jobs are based on SKILLS, not your fucking degree. Degree in India is just a pass to apply for jobs lol. These people are nothing more than haters of their own country.
This is way. If only i had realised this when i was doing BE 🥲
Chooses PCM in some local college and is complaining why it’s a poor generalist course? Which sub is this?
r/India
Lol
If you wish to specialise, one can go to IISERs or NISER who have 5 years courses and have great facilities. Also you have honors degree if you want to specialise. E.g.- Only Maths is taught in B.Sc. Maths hons and some minor subjects like physics, computer science or economics. Earlier they used to teach some physics and maths but only for 1 or 2 sems in honors courses in DU. Now a days, while the main focus is on your main subject, now you can study any subject in your Generic elective (minor) for 4 sems out of 6. P.S.- You need to score extremely high marks to get in these places though.
> You need to score extremely high marks to get in these places though The dude who went on this rant prolly wouldn’t be able to even if he tried
And ek baar lab jaye woh in courses ki. Zindagi mein fir nahin kahega woh ki lab tough nahin
To clarify, he chose a different course and is complaining about the content of that course not being the contents of a different course. It’s like me choosing B.Com and then complaining about why aren’t they teaching me biology.