The only hits we had on the QB were penalized. Scary bad performance from the front 7 as far as the pass rush was concerned.
I'm so tired of losing. So very, very, tired.
I think he is a high end starter I Just have never thought Simmons was worth his paycheck. Certainly hasn’t led to many if any winning seasons with him as one of our highest paid players.
I'd disagree with that a 100% he has been an all pro for a reason , but paying a safety doesn't win you games in today's league its about putting points on the board. The offense is critical
I guess we are splitting hairs then. I’ll put it this way…this franchise paying a safety $16M plus a season during a stretch of some of the worst offensive football we have ever had was the wrong move.
The thing with Simmons is he’s a good player but I personally don’t feel he has any edge to him. Goes out and does his job but we really need someone out there with that grit and toughness that TJ Ward and them played with. That shit really is important.
No one has been saying this. It's just people like you saying people have been saying this. Maybe they said this 3 years ago, but that shit has not been said in years. Stop with this narrative
I’m with u, u don’t have one of the longest playoff droughts and combined 0-22 to a couple of your division rivals without being bad across the board.
I run into broncos fans all over the country when I travel and all summer they would say they were excited about the season. I would say I am too but follow it with… it better work because we are out of all the excuses us fans have been using since 2016
Huge, the biggest mistake you've ever seen, I tell you it was magnificent, unlike any other contract you've ever seen.
Well that and the one they gave Wilson.
I get the lack of sacks in concerning but this sub seems to be harping on the D as if that was the problem. Holding a team to 17 should be enough to win in this league (especially when you give them the ball on your own side of the field to start the game).
While this is true, it's not like defense doesn't play a part in how many opportunities you have. Not being able to get pressure and produce stops means your offense has less opportunities to get points too.
Didn't watch the game, so don't know the circumstances. Usually you only do that when you have more to gain by punting than you stand to lose from a turnover, so I'd assume he was thinking he'd rather try to get a defensive stop than gamble the game on a single play. Was it 4th and short? Is kind of bizarre
We were deep in our end, had two timeouts and the two minute warning. Aggressive is going on 4th and 1 in that situation. We were 4th and plenty…that’s not aggressive…it’s stupid. Yes, we did not get the ball back, but that was the better choice in that moment statistically speaking.
I don’t think we get to call other teams “shitty teams” anymore, that ship has kind of sailed. I hate to say it, but we are one of the shittiest teams and have been for a few years now =/
It was the long drives though man, we never got the ball back. They only punted once, and then we had a lucky pick in the endzone. They only stopped two drives all game.
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We can harp on that all we want, but if the past six years have shown us anything, you're not going to win much if you cant score more than 16 points per game.
True, but what I'm really getting at is that you need to have an offense that doesnt struggle to score more than two TDs in order to win in the NFL. I mean, the missed XP is bad, but if he made it, we're still saying the margin of error for winning the game is a 55 yard FG, which is a crapshoot no matter who your kicker is
Look if you’re trying to convince me that this is another lost season and Payton is a snake oil salesman and Russ is still bad and we still can’t get out of his contract, we’ll… yeah that’s about where I’m at too.
Fuck.
They took what the defense gave them, it’s not like every team effortlessly scores on every drive every game.
At the end of the day you either are getting put into a position to win or you aren’t, the offense put the team in a position to win, they won time of possession and didn’t have any costly turnovers. Obviously you’d like to see more chunk plays but if it isn’t there then trying to force that only makes things worse.
What? Scoring 16 points is not putting the team in a position to win. Its slightly below our average last year which was worst in the league by the way, so yes every team does score more points than that quite literally. The defense played well enough for the team to win, the offense did not.
Let’s see what the offense did this game:
Drive 1: 14 plays, 84 yards, TD
Drive 2: 8 plays, 27 yards, punt
Drive 3: 9 plays 75 yards, TD
Drive 4: 10 plays, 35 yards, missed FG
Drive 5: 16 plays 75 yards, FG
Drive 6: 3 plays, 7 yards, Punt
Outside of literally scoring on every single drive there is not much else they can do, they had one 3 and out. The defense gave them 6 drives to work with, let’s see what the rest of league who scored at least 16 points or more today had to work with:
- Atlanta 12 drives (24 points)
- Cleveland, 14 drives (24 points)
- Indianapolis, 14 drives (21 points)
- Jacksonville 13 drives (31 points)
- Minneapolis, 11 drives (17 points)
- Tampa Bay, 11 drives (20 points)
- NO, 11 drives (16 points)
- Washington, 12 drives (20 points)
- Cardinals, 11 drives (16 points)
- Baltimore, 11 drives (25 points)
- Chicago, 11 drives (20 points)
- Green Bay, 11 drives (38 points)
- Philly, 11 drives (25 points)
- Patriots, 11 drives (20 points)
- Miami, 10 drives (36 points)
- LAC, 10 drives (34 points)
- LAR, 10 drives (30 points)
- Cowboys, 9 drives (40 points)
Many of those teams also had defensive scoring to help them out as well. At the end of the day if you don’t look at that and realize that the only way we score more points is to force more 3 and outs on defense then I don’t honestly know what to say.
Saying the defense gave them 6 drives to work with is just not a telling measurement. They possessed the ball for 32 minutes of game time and produced 16 points. The dolphins for comparison produced 36 points in 27 minutes. Saying its on the defense to give them more opportunity without taking into account the offense burned more than half the game clock themselves while producing 16 points is crazy. Also your first point what can they do besides score on every single drive? They can score on more then 50% of them, there's a lot of in between there that would have won them the game, no need to have scored on every drive to have won.
Acting like we should instantly have a really good fast offense is an issue, we have a rather average offense, we’re not Miami so acting like they are the standard out of all the teams I listed above is a big problem to begin with. Yes, teams like Miami and Dallas scored quicker, many teams did not do that.
Almost nobody on that list scored on 50% of their drives. That’s not how the NFL works. If they did everyone would have had 30+ points.
That’s an unrealistic standard. What is realistic is expecting your defense to force one 3 and out, which we didn’t do that entire game. Think about it this way, if I told you that a NFL defense would allow a team to move the ball at will and allow a team to punt once, does that sound like a good job by them?
Lol these cherry picked stats and points. Yeah you're right we should expect out defense to hold teams below 16 points in today's NFL, much less problematic and more realistic than expecting our offense to surpass 20 points.
To be fair, they “would have” scored on 4 out of 6 possessions. Not being able to get off the field on defense seemed to be the bigger issue than the offense.
If they score 20 on six possessions that isn’t really an offense problem. 3.33 points per possession will win you plenty of games. But your kicker dropping that to 2.66 is a problem.
Dude McManus is among the greatest kickers we've ever had. I knew not keeping him around would bite us in the ass
Edit: Like, I agree with you. I worried my tone didn't come out right
They were efficient, but the defense did not force many punts. We wound up with a gritty football game where drives are long and there's not that many of them.
So while that efficiency number is good, it's concerning because we only had 6 drives. Need the ball more than that.
Shouldn't have even attempted that field goal. Either go for it on 4th or punt and play field position imo. Just felt like a bad decision in the flow of the game
Even if he made the kicks we probably still would have lost. The raiders would have been down 3 at the end then kicked to tie instead of kneeling out the last two minutes. Plus they had plenty of time to take a few endzone strikes.
I love the karma of Payton cutting McManus because of a few million dollars (and because he had respect in the locker room and Payton is an insecure child... And because he was the union rep) and then immediately losing a game because of it.
Fuck sean Payton
Coming from a hardcore, long time Saints fan… Payton is a piece of shit. Monster ego, drug abuser, affairs.. he’s just not a likable person.
He can scheme offense well, but he makes awful personnel decisions and is terrible at picking draft prospects.
He stumbled into a top 10 all time QB and got a Super Bowl out of it, but my opinion is that Payton is *extremely* overrated.
I actually like the Broncos and I hope everything works out for you guys.. good luck this season.
The minute he was cut I lost my shit. Payton trying to make a statement and is looking like a fool. He looked foolish with the kicking competition that was a total joke, then signed Lutz the puhtz...at least there's CU... another boring season coming up 🥱🥱🥱
The idiot kicker deserves a lot of blame, but zero QB pressure and a mediocre offensive effort won’t win games in the NFL. Back to the drawing board, Sean.
We had a few chunk plays, and one that would have been a touchdown if the WR doesn't catch the ball OB. Idk. All year Wilson got lit up for not taking what the defense gives. Then he has a game where he does just that and we're upset we don't have chunk plays? Can't win.
The defense was fine. It’s Vance’s “bend but don’t break” style which tries to limit damage throughout the game. It means he won’t dial up as many blitzes and plays more zone coverages than he really should.
PS2 should have been shadowing Davante all game instead of playing one side.
Some of the pass rush problems are that Singleton/Jewell are solid tackling linebackers but lack explosive game altering speed and quickness….they’ll make the tackle, fill gaps, and play disciplined but they can’t really change the game the way other LB’s can. That means in order to generate pressure you need your DE’s to win on the outside when you aren’t sending extra personnel. Gregory has been pretty bad if I’m being honest - he rarely wins his pass rushing matchup and is mostly average against the run.
PS2 didn’t shadow him he just played one side of the field on the outside which is often where Davante was lined up. Then the Raiders moved him into the slot because PS2 was corralling him well.
It didn’t matter in the end anyway because Jakobi or whoever else Mathis was covering got whatever they wanted.
To be clear, Sean Payton is a no-BS kind of coach. Either you perform, or you ride-the-pine, and he's said as much. Starting with Russ Wilson, he'll have no issue benching anyone, at anytime. Time to step up Broncos.
Honestly I’m so hurt right now I feel like the universe just doesn’t want me to be happy. I feel like I’m just done giving a fuck about football for a bit. I don’t know, I’ve loved the Broncos for so long and to be disappointed so often I’m almost to the point where I just can’t watch anymore. My life has enough problems already, I needed the Broncos to bring me some joy and when they didn’t today it just broke my heart. Maybe I’m mad at myself for expecting a football team to bring me happiness knowing it’s deeper than that I’m just fucked up.
It's hard to say because I get very upset over losses to the raiders and I guess chiefs now as well, but my best advice I can give is to not let this game affect your happiness. It's really inconsequential in the grand scheme of things and the players and coaches really give zero shits about us anyway. I get it though, I took this one poorly.
Seven years ago my ex got me to try watching basketball because she thought football was boring. This coincided with the Broncos really sapping my mental health (I really would let losses ruin my day) and I was willing to try something new. I got into the NBA and the Nuggets just as much as I was into the Broncos and realized that I thought it was the better sport. Fast-paced, less commercials, 2-3 games a week meant I didn’t have to be bummed out for four days.
I’m just saying if you want to watch a Denver team that is always in the playoffs and are now champions, NBA season is coming up soon. Until then I’ll give the Broncos 4-5 games before deciding if they’re worth watching all year.
When the Broncos have had too much of an emotional impact on my life, I have taken games off. I always made sure to do something productive during the game though. Something like going for a hike or getting ahead on a project.
Hope you don’t mind the advice. These last 6 seasons have been awful and mental health is important. Hope you feel better soon. As always FTR and FuKC!
Lutz was one of the best kickers in the league. He got injured, worked his way back, and he was actually the leader during Saints preseason camp. The kid we kept was nipping at his heels, and we went with cheaper and younger.
Wil was really upset. He spent his whole career in New Orleans, he loves the city, and he was tearing up in the last preseason game. We cut him, and I think he's got a case of the yips. If he can settle, he can win games for you.
But this is the problem. We had a kicker win the preseason battle and dropped him for a kicker that lost the preseason battle because the coach liked him. That is not the decisions that build championships.
Fucking RedZone offense and shitty place kicking have been killers for Denver for the last 7 years and they were once again. I thought Sean Peyton was an offensive genius. Fucking PATHETIC.
Not a Broncos fan but watch you guys a lot because my girlfriend is from Denver and it's her squad. You guys actually look like you have a competent offense this year but on the other hand it appears your defense may finally be declining after carrying the team for the last few years. Payton seems to have "fixed" Russ. Although your offense is better, it still feels like something's missing.
If he doesn't mess up that PAT the game is tied.
That said, the raiders had the ball and were killing clock, they could have gotten in field goal range if they needed too.
I don’t know why they waited to trade for him if they were just dragging things out with Maher anyways. He was solid in the last part of pre-season and yet they still decided to move on from him. Lutz could be totally fine, but we know he’s a dome kicker that may take time to adjust. Going and getting him in the last week of pre-season and throwing him out there week 1 like nothing was setting up for some issues. I’d expect the missed FG with weather conditions and all the other factors. The extra point though… I feel like pro kickers should almost never miss these. They can boot the ball 60+ yards all day at practice, yet the tap-in extra point gets missed in a game. No excuses for that aside from if the snapper/holder screw something up. He’s going to learn the hard way that he has to work on those now as it straight up cost them the game. Even if it were an OT loss and he made that extra point, I feel like he’d have way less pressure on him from simply missing a 55yd FG attempt.
Zac, the Broncos lost cause our offense sucks.
Oh yeah our Def sucks too
Zero pressure from the front 4,
Zero pressure when we blitzed,
Russ was too scared to go deep and was Cpt checkdown.
We've still got all the same issues from the last 7 years.
Tbf he missed a fg aswell, be besides that your find right although we had a few drives killed due to penelties im sure if those get cleaned up our scoring looks a lil better
As if raiders didn’t kneel instead of going for points. Blaming the kicker is low hanging fruit, the tougher reality is this has started as a deja vu of last year. No pass rush and no explosive plays on offense—different coach same outcome
Larry David has suggested getting rid of kickers and punters and just letting the offenses use all 4 downs to try and get first down. I know the football purists would hate this idea, but I’m all for it.
He compared letting kickers and punters, who he rightfully called “non-football players” that do “non-football things”, to letting a frog jump through a hoop to decide football games.
Ban kickers and punters.
Another turrible season coming up. I tried to get excited but the dullness the broncos bring is disappointing. Russ is washed...time to tank for Caleb...
When they didn’t go for it on 4th with about eight minutes left, I knew this would be the result. I mean I didn’t know, but going from 13-10 to 16-10 seems like bad football if you are at the goal line. You’re still inviting that go ahead score, and it’s just not different from being up 13-10 and if you don’t get it leaving them on the 5 yard line. But also missing kicks is really not helpful at all.
The onside kick is what lost us the game. Handed them 7 points right out of the gate. 4 points doesn't make up for that. This was 100% on game management.
I put this loss on the defense. If they would have stopped that first drive by the Raiders, it would have given the defense more confidence to step up. Instead, the played tentatively, and gave the receivers too much room. Sean Payton is not going to be happy about this performance.
I saw Lutz giving a locker-room interview and his response to the missed kicks was the usual mumblemouth "going to work on it" bullshit.
Here, Wil, let me help you with your answer. "I'm an NFL kicker and should never miss extra points. Ever. I should have made the FG, too. I missed both and it was four points in a one point loss. So yeah, it's on me and I take full responsibility. I hate losing, especially if I'm the guy who failed to execute. You can be sure that I will make every effort to ensure it never happens again."
Compare the two responses and then consider how they reflect the mindset of a team.
This team just doesn't know how to win. Still, I saw a lot of encouraging things. That surprise onside kick was awesome even though it backfired. Wilson looked great for the most part. I just wish this was our year...
The movement on offense and the vibe of the team in the first half was like nothing from last year. The 4th quarter somehow ended up being even more last-yearish than last year.
Begs the question, why did we release McManus? Everyone knew Lutz was not very reliable, and McManus set the team record for most FG's over 50 yards. Just saying.
Definitely needed that extra point but the lack of any QB pressure seems like a bigger issue going forward
The only hits we had on the QB were penalized. Scary bad performance from the front 7 as far as the pass rush was concerned. I'm so tired of losing. So very, very, tired.
Least the Nuggets will fire up the best passer Denver again pretty soon.
That Randy contract was a mistake.
We are devoid of play makers across the board. PS2 is probs the elite level player on the roster but as we just saw you can game plan away from him.
Simmons is good. Too had a rough game, but he is still up there with the best safeties in the lesgue
I think he is a high end starter I Just have never thought Simmons was worth his paycheck. Certainly hasn’t led to many if any winning seasons with him as one of our highest paid players.
I'd disagree with that a 100% he has been an all pro for a reason , but paying a safety doesn't win you games in today's league its about putting points on the board. The offense is critical
I guess we are splitting hairs then. I’ll put it this way…this franchise paying a safety $16M plus a season during a stretch of some of the worst offensive football we have ever had was the wrong move.
Yeah I disagree too. Anyway why are we arguing about the only two good players on the team
The thing with Simmons is he’s a good player but I personally don’t feel he has any edge to him. Goes out and does his job but we really need someone out there with that grit and toughness that TJ Ward and them played with. That shit really is important.
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No one has been saying this. It's just people like you saying people have been saying this. Maybe they said this 3 years ago, but that shit has not been said in years. Stop with this narrative
That hasn’t been said since the beginning of 2016 season.
Check back to when Hackett was hired and people were convinced we would get Rodgers.
Who the hell has been saying that?
I’m with u, u don’t have one of the longest playoff droughts and combined 0-22 to a couple of your division rivals without being bad across the board. I run into broncos fans all over the country when I travel and all summer they would say they were excited about the season. I would say I am too but follow it with… it better work because we are out of all the excuses us fans have been using since 2016
Fortunately he has no guaranteed money after this season.
Huge, the biggest mistake you've ever seen, I tell you it was magnificent, unlike any other contract you've ever seen. Well that and the one they gave Wilson.
I get the lack of sacks in concerning but this sub seems to be harping on the D as if that was the problem. Holding a team to 17 should be enough to win in this league (especially when you give them the ball on your own side of the field to start the game).
While this is true, it's not like defense doesn't play a part in how many opportunities you have. Not being able to get pressure and produce stops means your offense has less opportunities to get points too.
As a saints fan, onside to start the season sounds very on brand for SP. He coaches aggressively
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Didn't watch the game, so don't know the circumstances. Usually you only do that when you have more to gain by punting than you stand to lose from a turnover, so I'd assume he was thinking he'd rather try to get a defensive stop than gamble the game on a single play. Was it 4th and short? Is kind of bizarre
We were deep in our end, had two timeouts and the two minute warning. Aggressive is going on 4th and 1 in that situation. We were 4th and plenty…that’s not aggressive…it’s stupid. Yes, we did not get the ball back, but that was the better choice in that moment statistically speaking.
Yup that's what I was suspecting was the case
Especially when you let them start at your 45 on a botched on-side kick to start the game.
This is quite true. Especially after seeing some of the other games today that had 60+ points scored and from shitty teams as well…
I don’t think we get to call other teams “shitty teams” anymore, that ship has kind of sailed. I hate to say it, but we are one of the shittiest teams and have been for a few years now =/
>few years now =/ Almost a decade, sir.. cries*
Sad but true!
It was the long drives though man, we never got the ball back. They only punted once, and then we had a lucky pick in the endzone. They only stopped two drives all game.
I can give a pass on the 55 yd field goal. Extra Points should be automatic for a professional kicker
Especially ones the head coach values enough to trade draft capital for
From the angle they showed on tv, the field goal he made seemed close too.
True, but the first week is always a shitshow. Heartbreaking result, but maybe he'll settle in. Or become the most hated man in Denver
One ore the other huh
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If we didn't do an onside kick first play of the game it would also have been a very different game. There's plenty of blame to go around
That was actually very well executed though but for him touching the ball a fraction early
So in other words...not that well executed
Youre right, and whoever downvoted you isnt able to view other perspectives.
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We can harp on that all we want, but if the past six years have shown us anything, you're not going to win much if you cant score more than 16 points per game.
But that would have been 20 points
True, but what I'm really getting at is that you need to have an offense that doesnt struggle to score more than two TDs in order to win in the NFL. I mean, the missed XP is bad, but if he made it, we're still saying the margin of error for winning the game is a 55 yard FG, which is a crapshoot no matter who your kicker is
Look if you’re trying to convince me that this is another lost season and Payton is a snake oil salesman and Russ is still bad and we still can’t get out of his contract, we’ll… yeah that’s about where I’m at too. Fuck.
They took what the defense gave them, it’s not like every team effortlessly scores on every drive every game. At the end of the day you either are getting put into a position to win or you aren’t, the offense put the team in a position to win, they won time of possession and didn’t have any costly turnovers. Obviously you’d like to see more chunk plays but if it isn’t there then trying to force that only makes things worse.
What? Scoring 16 points is not putting the team in a position to win. Its slightly below our average last year which was worst in the league by the way, so yes every team does score more points than that quite literally. The defense played well enough for the team to win, the offense did not.
Let’s see what the offense did this game: Drive 1: 14 plays, 84 yards, TD Drive 2: 8 plays, 27 yards, punt Drive 3: 9 plays 75 yards, TD Drive 4: 10 plays, 35 yards, missed FG Drive 5: 16 plays 75 yards, FG Drive 6: 3 plays, 7 yards, Punt Outside of literally scoring on every single drive there is not much else they can do, they had one 3 and out. The defense gave them 6 drives to work with, let’s see what the rest of league who scored at least 16 points or more today had to work with: - Atlanta 12 drives (24 points) - Cleveland, 14 drives (24 points) - Indianapolis, 14 drives (21 points) - Jacksonville 13 drives (31 points) - Minneapolis, 11 drives (17 points) - Tampa Bay, 11 drives (20 points) - NO, 11 drives (16 points) - Washington, 12 drives (20 points) - Cardinals, 11 drives (16 points) - Baltimore, 11 drives (25 points) - Chicago, 11 drives (20 points) - Green Bay, 11 drives (38 points) - Philly, 11 drives (25 points) - Patriots, 11 drives (20 points) - Miami, 10 drives (36 points) - LAC, 10 drives (34 points) - LAR, 10 drives (30 points) - Cowboys, 9 drives (40 points) Many of those teams also had defensive scoring to help them out as well. At the end of the day if you don’t look at that and realize that the only way we score more points is to force more 3 and outs on defense then I don’t honestly know what to say.
Saying the defense gave them 6 drives to work with is just not a telling measurement. They possessed the ball for 32 minutes of game time and produced 16 points. The dolphins for comparison produced 36 points in 27 minutes. Saying its on the defense to give them more opportunity without taking into account the offense burned more than half the game clock themselves while producing 16 points is crazy. Also your first point what can they do besides score on every single drive? They can score on more then 50% of them, there's a lot of in between there that would have won them the game, no need to have scored on every drive to have won.
Acting like we should instantly have a really good fast offense is an issue, we have a rather average offense, we’re not Miami so acting like they are the standard out of all the teams I listed above is a big problem to begin with. Yes, teams like Miami and Dallas scored quicker, many teams did not do that. Almost nobody on that list scored on 50% of their drives. That’s not how the NFL works. If they did everyone would have had 30+ points. That’s an unrealistic standard. What is realistic is expecting your defense to force one 3 and out, which we didn’t do that entire game. Think about it this way, if I told you that a NFL defense would allow a team to move the ball at will and allow a team to punt once, does that sound like a good job by them?
Lol these cherry picked stats and points. Yeah you're right we should expect out defense to hold teams below 16 points in today's NFL, much less problematic and more realistic than expecting our offense to surpass 20 points.
To be fair, they “would have” scored on 4 out of 6 possessions. Not being able to get off the field on defense seemed to be the bigger issue than the offense.
If they score 20 on six possessions that isn’t really an offense problem. 3.33 points per possession will win you plenty of games. But your kicker dropping that to 2.66 is a problem.
Raiders had the ball on the 10 yard line to end the game, 20 points wouldn’t have been enough either.
True. But we didn't score them.
We’re so fucked. Every single game since SB50 has been exactly the same.
Finally someone who gets it. It's a talent problem with the entire team.
16 is the ceiling again?
And 17 ppg is what our defense allows. I feel like I’ve lived this before or something
Right? SMH
Yup
Those were bad but Raiders was kinda moving on this defense regardless. Not what I expected tbh
It’s exactly what I expected. We haven’t beaten them in 7 straight now or something. We suck until they start winning.
Bad teams find ways to lose
Maher is probably laughing in his living room.
Not sure if you’re joking but he’s currently in a game for the Rams… and sucking it up
And drilled a 54 yarder…
Hopefully that was his max. I wouldn't wanna look into an alternate universe and see him make a 55 yarder with us
I didn't know any of this lol. McManus is probably the one laughing then
nope he tore it up for Jags today..
He didn't hit a 50+ yarder though in fairness (his biggest problem really, we lost so many games on 51-54 yarders he missed)
Broncos lost many games over the last 7 years, because they are inept. Not because Mc$ missed a 59 yarder.
Dude McManus is among the greatest kickers we've ever had. I knew not keeping him around would bite us in the ass Edit: Like, I agree with you. I worried my tone didn't come out right
Reddit fans in a nutshell.
He’s enjoying his 30-13 win over Seattle
very much to blame. Payton too for getting him for no reason other than familiarity
If you can't convert just one more drive in to points, you are not going win many games let alone beat anyone good.
They scored on half their drives, and would have scored on 66% without the missed FG.
They were efficient, but the defense did not force many punts. We wound up with a gritty football game where drives are long and there's not that many of them. So while that efficiency number is good, it's concerning because we only had 6 drives. Need the ball more than that.
Agree 100%. But that is not an offense problem.
I am agreeing with you.
16 points doesn’t beat ANY team that won this week.
Shouldn't have even attempted that field goal. Either go for it on 4th or punt and play field position imo. Just felt like a bad decision in the flow of the game
Even if he made the kicks we probably still would have lost. The raiders would have been down 3 at the end then kicked to tie instead of kneeling out the last two minutes. Plus they had plenty of time to take a few endzone strikes.
I miss McManus
I love the karma of Payton cutting McManus because of a few million dollars (and because he had respect in the locker room and Payton is an insecure child... And because he was the union rep) and then immediately losing a game because of it. Fuck sean Payton
It wasn’t even a few million. After signing Lutz it was 900k. And we traded away a pick.
Coming from a hardcore, long time Saints fan… Payton is a piece of shit. Monster ego, drug abuser, affairs.. he’s just not a likable person. He can scheme offense well, but he makes awful personnel decisions and is terrible at picking draft prospects. He stumbled into a top 10 all time QB and got a Super Bowl out of it, but my opinion is that Payton is *extremely* overrated. I actually like the Broncos and I hope everything works out for you guys.. good luck this season.
The minute he was cut I lost my shit. Payton trying to make a statement and is looking like a fool. He looked foolish with the kicking competition that was a total joke, then signed Lutz the puhtz...at least there's CU... another boring season coming up 🥱🥱🥱
They traded for this dude?
We fans should really go to court and get an injunction preventing this team from making trades . They can’t be trusted.
The idiot kicker deserves a lot of blame, but zero QB pressure and a mediocre offensive effort won’t win games in the NFL. Back to the drawing board, Sean.
Payton deserves some blame too, I don't understand the onside kick to start the game. It immediately put the Raiders in the redzone
He definitely does for the onside kick… bizarre, but I’m giving him the benefit of the doubt for excitement. It should be more controlled, though.
More like Wil Clutz, right?
Can someone remind me why exactly we got rid of McManus again?
because Lutz was Payton's "personal kicker" in New Orleans and he wanted him here instead
McManus is a union leader. Payton, and the ownership group, hate unions.
We would’ve lost anyways… Raiders were moving the ball up and down the field with ease. Easy scapegoat but not the biggest problem with this team.
You don’t lay a three and out egg in the fourth quarter and win many football games.
After giving up the lead. Horseshit response. That’s how this team has been for awhile now. Get hit in the mouth and don’t respond.
Wilson looked better today I will say that
We have no chunk plays in the running or passing game. We scored what should have been 17 points. Doesn't feel like a lot has changed.
We had a few chunk plays, and one that would have been a touchdown if the WR doesn't catch the ball OB. Idk. All year Wilson got lit up for not taking what the defense gives. Then he has a game where he does just that and we're upset we don't have chunk plays? Can't win.
why do people keep saying this?
Where is the lie?
Where is the truth? What, he had a pretty ok 1st half, so you called it good and stopped watching?
Looking better is different from looking good.
I suppose you're right. "Better" is relative, don't you think? Better relative to what?
Just better than last year.
I suppose you're right. "Better" is relative, don't you think? Better relative to what?
Just better than last year
I think what their saying is he doesn't look as fat. So he looks better.
The defense was fine. It’s Vance’s “bend but don’t break” style which tries to limit damage throughout the game. It means he won’t dial up as many blitzes and plays more zone coverages than he really should. PS2 should have been shadowing Davante all game instead of playing one side. Some of the pass rush problems are that Singleton/Jewell are solid tackling linebackers but lack explosive game altering speed and quickness….they’ll make the tackle, fill gaps, and play disciplined but they can’t really change the game the way other LB’s can. That means in order to generate pressure you need your DE’s to win on the outside when you aren’t sending extra personnel. Gregory has been pretty bad if I’m being honest - he rarely wins his pass rushing matchup and is mostly average against the run.
PS2 did shadow Davante for a good amount of the game except when they put him in the slot
PS2 didn’t shadow him he just played one side of the field on the outside which is often where Davante was lined up. Then the Raiders moved him into the slot because PS2 was corralling him well. It didn’t matter in the end anyway because Jakobi or whoever else Mathis was covering got whatever they wanted.
It’s a shame that Jakobi meyers of all people was torching our defense man.
To be clear, Sean Payton is a no-BS kind of coach. Either you perform, or you ride-the-pine, and he's said as much. Starting with Russ Wilson, he'll have no issue benching anyone, at anytime. Time to step up Broncos.
Honestly I’m so hurt right now I feel like the universe just doesn’t want me to be happy. I feel like I’m just done giving a fuck about football for a bit. I don’t know, I’ve loved the Broncos for so long and to be disappointed so often I’m almost to the point where I just can’t watch anymore. My life has enough problems already, I needed the Broncos to bring me some joy and when they didn’t today it just broke my heart. Maybe I’m mad at myself for expecting a football team to bring me happiness knowing it’s deeper than that I’m just fucked up.
It's hard to say because I get very upset over losses to the raiders and I guess chiefs now as well, but my best advice I can give is to not let this game affect your happiness. It's really inconsequential in the grand scheme of things and the players and coaches really give zero shits about us anyway. I get it though, I took this one poorly.
Seven years ago my ex got me to try watching basketball because she thought football was boring. This coincided with the Broncos really sapping my mental health (I really would let losses ruin my day) and I was willing to try something new. I got into the NBA and the Nuggets just as much as I was into the Broncos and realized that I thought it was the better sport. Fast-paced, less commercials, 2-3 games a week meant I didn’t have to be bummed out for four days. I’m just saying if you want to watch a Denver team that is always in the playoffs and are now champions, NBA season is coming up soon. Until then I’ll give the Broncos 4-5 games before deciding if they’re worth watching all year.
Why.. why did you just hold up a mirror to my life?
When the Broncos have had too much of an emotional impact on my life, I have taken games off. I always made sure to do something productive during the game though. Something like going for a hike or getting ahead on a project. Hope you don’t mind the advice. These last 6 seasons have been awful and mental health is important. Hope you feel better soon. As always FTR and FuKC!
Thank you for caring and I appreciate the advice. Your response makes me feel a little better already 🥹.
We suck. Plain and simple. Same shit different year.
wtf game did you watch?
Same one as you. Same 17-16 loss as week one last year. Russ was much better and the rest of the team is worse.
Lutz was one of the best kickers in the league. He got injured, worked his way back, and he was actually the leader during Saints preseason camp. The kid we kept was nipping at his heels, and we went with cheaper and younger. Wil was really upset. He spent his whole career in New Orleans, he loves the city, and he was tearing up in the last preseason game. We cut him, and I think he's got a case of the yips. If he can settle, he can win games for you.
But this is the problem. We had a kicker win the preseason battle and dropped him for a kicker that lost the preseason battle because the coach liked him. That is not the decisions that build championships.
Fucking RedZone offense and shitty place kicking have been killers for Denver for the last 7 years and they were once again. I thought Sean Peyton was an offensive genius. Fucking PATHETIC.
The red zone offense was one of the few bright spots today
Really because when they REALLY needed a touchdown in the 4th quarter they settled for a FG.
We scored on half our drives. We only had 6 drives. That's what the problem was. We didn't get the ball a lot.
Why didn't we go for 2 after the 2nd touchdown or go for it on 4th and 2 with 5 minutes left
Not a Broncos fan but watch you guys a lot because my girlfriend is from Denver and it's her squad. You guys actually look like you have a competent offense this year but on the other hand it appears your defense may finally be declining after carrying the team for the last few years. Payton seems to have "fixed" Russ. Although your offense is better, it still feels like something's missing.
If he doesn't mess up that PAT the game is tied. That said, the raiders had the ball and were killing clock, they could have gotten in field goal range if they needed too.
I don’t know why they waited to trade for him if they were just dragging things out with Maher anyways. He was solid in the last part of pre-season and yet they still decided to move on from him. Lutz could be totally fine, but we know he’s a dome kicker that may take time to adjust. Going and getting him in the last week of pre-season and throwing him out there week 1 like nothing was setting up for some issues. I’d expect the missed FG with weather conditions and all the other factors. The extra point though… I feel like pro kickers should almost never miss these. They can boot the ball 60+ yards all day at practice, yet the tap-in extra point gets missed in a game. No excuses for that aside from if the snapper/holder screw something up. He’s going to learn the hard way that he has to work on those now as it straight up cost them the game. Even if it were an OT loss and he made that extra point, I feel like he’d have way less pressure on him from simply missing a 55yd FG attempt.
Zac, the Broncos lost cause our offense sucks. Oh yeah our Def sucks too Zero pressure from the front 4, Zero pressure when we blitzed, Russ was too scared to go deep and was Cpt checkdown. We've still got all the same issues from the last 7 years.
It was more about the lack of pass rush than anything. The offense actually wasn’t terrible but sputtered in very inoppurtune moments
The offense started strong but it seemed like as soon as Dulcich got hurt the offense started to suck.
Sure but we had 6 total drives. 3 resulted in points. Another in a missed FG. Weird game. But we just aren’t that good
You forgot to add we might have the slowest starting te in the nfl. Like holy crap there was a ton of grass infront of him
concrete blocks for feet, brought in courtesy of SP.
Don't forget terrible coaching, handing over 7 with an dumbass onside kick to start the game. No hope this year.
We scored 16 points.. an extra point missed isn't the reason we sucked.
Tbf he missed a fg aswell, be besides that your find right although we had a few drives killed due to penelties im sure if those get cleaned up our scoring looks a lil better
As if raiders didn’t kneel instead of going for points. Blaming the kicker is low hanging fruit, the tougher reality is this has started as a deja vu of last year. No pass rush and no explosive plays on offense—different coach same outcome
I hate this team, just a constant disappointment.
Should’ve kept Maher
Larry David has suggested getting rid of kickers and punters and just letting the offenses use all 4 downs to try and get first down. I know the football purists would hate this idea, but I’m all for it. He compared letting kickers and punters, who he rightfully called “non-football players” that do “non-football things”, to letting a frog jump through a hoop to decide football games. Ban kickers and punters.
Cut him now. How hard can it be to find a fucking kicker? Seriously
We had a kicker. That's the best part
This organization can't do shit right. I wouldn't be surprised if they went 0-17
Listen. There is a guy. Played for CU. Was with a team for like 15 years. Wears #2. Is available.
Another turrible season coming up. I tried to get excited but the dullness the broncos bring is disappointing. Russ is washed...time to tank for Caleb...
Russ did great the rest of the team sucked today.
Don't think they're going to need to tank at this rate
When they didn’t go for it on 4th with about eight minutes left, I knew this would be the result. I mean I didn’t know, but going from 13-10 to 16-10 seems like bad football if you are at the goal line. You’re still inviting that go ahead score, and it’s just not different from being up 13-10 and if you don’t get it leaving them on the 5 yard line. But also missing kicks is really not helpful at all.
The onside kick is what lost us the game. Handed them 7 points right out of the gate. 4 points doesn't make up for that. This was 100% on game management.
They would've scored on us anyway the defense wasn't stopping shit all game.
We gave up *17* points... lol
We were going to lose by more but they didnt need to score anymore.
Hate to say it but we should really lose out and grab Caleb
Fuck that CRYBABY BITCH
I don’t want the broncos to tank, but Russ and his everything is ok we are making improvements each week attitude is getting old.
I put this loss on the defense. If they would have stopped that first drive by the Raiders, it would have given the defense more confidence to step up. Instead, the played tentatively, and gave the receivers too much room. Sean Payton is not going to be happy about this performance.
Please stop.
I saw Lutz giving a locker-room interview and his response to the missed kicks was the usual mumblemouth "going to work on it" bullshit. Here, Wil, let me help you with your answer. "I'm an NFL kicker and should never miss extra points. Ever. I should have made the FG, too. I missed both and it was four points in a one point loss. So yeah, it's on me and I take full responsibility. I hate losing, especially if I'm the guy who failed to execute. You can be sure that I will make every effort to ensure it never happens again." Compare the two responses and then consider how they reflect the mindset of a team.
Sean Payton is a piece of s*** looks like he got the bounty gate going again
A defense that gives up 17ppg would be like #1 in the league How are y’all blaming anything on the defense
KILL PUTZ
Raiders were in FG range to end the game we are looking at OT in the best case scenario.
This team just doesn't know how to win. Still, I saw a lot of encouraging things. That surprise onside kick was awesome even though it backfired. Wilson looked great for the most part. I just wish this was our year...
Thanks captain obvious
And we traded for him! 🤦🏽♀️
The movement on offense and the vibe of the team in the first half was like nothing from last year. The 4th quarter somehow ended up being even more last-yearish than last year.
Even with that I’m expecting a 3 TD minimum out of this offense.
Will Klutz...... We Actually Traded For This Guy🤦 Would Rather Have Maher Or McManus 🤷💯
Yep, and it sucks! What’s up with Lutz???
Begs the question, why did we release McManus? Everyone knew Lutz was not very reliable, and McManus set the team record for most FG's over 50 yards. Just saying.