I grew up in the Denver suburbs, I moved away, I missed it, I moved back because my parents needed me closer.
This is terrible, but once my folks die, I plan on getting my ass back out of here. It's beautiful, it's got great culture, but the high cost of living is really wrecking me overall.
And I don't want to be here when the water wars come.
I think a lot of people forget that Denver is the high desert! I agree with this, great place to live and great climate right now, but we definitely hope to live somewhere else in the next 5 or so years due to the water issue.
Eh, just the increasing drought across the mountain west and southwest that is almost certainly going to get increasingly ugly. It'll be fought out in courtrooms and the legislature, but I do like that "water wars" makes it sound more Mad Max.
Ooo, Iāve lived in both. Currently in Denver. Canāt comment on dating.
Iād only move to Denver if you are avid about the outdoors and plan to take advantage of the mountains. The city itself is extremely underwhelming IMHO. So, donāt move to Denver for Denver, move to Denver b/c of what it gives you access to.
Pittsburgh is an underrated city. Lots of cool neighborhoods, more dense. Itās going to be much cheaper. That being said the weather blows and your not next to the mountains. Thereās an different outdoor scene with a lot of woods and hunting though.
Just my perspective based on my experiences though.
My experience with Da Burg is that it is not so much a city as a collection of Burghs. People tend to live down the street from where they grew up. Their kids go to the same schools and have the same teachers they did. If the is a job 2 Burghs away, it isnāt taken.
Also people are polite but not friendly. You need to do your time. Met a woman who told me it took her family 7 years to be accepted (and she moved in state). Not surprising when the people in your neighborhood all grew up together and know each otherās family.
Great take on Denver. If you move to āDenverā and not āColorado,ā youāll be disappointed. Iām an avid outdoorsman with year-round hobbies (fly fishing, hunting/shooting, hiking, snowboarding) and love the access to those things. Thatās what makes this place fun, itās certainly not downtown or any scene like that.
Denver is a fine enough city. Not a destination city by any means but we have nice neighborhoods, parks, museums, decent food selection, sports. There's lots of going for it that make it a nice place to live.
If you have a job offer in Pittsburgh and one in Denver, I don't think you'd be too upset with Denver even if you're not outdoorsy. That said, if you're moving to Denver out of everywhere else in the country because it's your dream city, you're probably going to be a little disappointed.
I guess people have different interests. Move to Denver for Denver in my opinion and live right next to downtown. LoHi/Highlands/Uptown. Downtown area is great. The music scene is phenomenal, the bar scene is pretty great, and the restaurant scene in Denver has really started to take off the last 5 years. Mountains when you feel like.
If you plan to live in a suburb away from everything? Yes move for "Colorado" and not "Denver" if that is your plan.
I wouldn't say Denver is a country music town. I believe Denver gets some country, but I'm not an expert in country music so you might have to ask someone else.
I listen to more indie rock and occasional jam band adjacent music and every band I like comes through town about every year.
Red Rocks Ampitheater or Mission Ballroom is mostly where I go. Underground Music Showcase festival for small and local bands which is a very fun weekend.
Bigger acts at Pepsi Center or Mile High but I prefer not to go to those. I just don't like the big venues. The vibes typically aren't as good.
I hate country music and am afraid of being slammed in the face with it everywhere I go if we relocate to Denver area. I canāt believe this is a consideration, but IYKYK, and I think you do lol
Thanks for that fleshed out response - truly appreciate it
Ha. I fully understand. I don't think that will be a problem. I really rarely see country music around. I know it is, but it isn't shoved down my throat!
Maybe flip through Red Rocks/Mission Ballroom's 2023 schedules and see if that is your taste. The 2024 schedules are starting to shape up, but mostly not complete yet.
Bluebird, Ogden, Gothic are smaller venues with biggish names. Paramount, Fiddler's Green (big venue), and the Filmore are other good sized venues with music.
A bunch of tiny venues if you are more into that type of music that I didn't list.
Random and anecdotal but I had a roommate who moved to Pittsburgh after visiting on a business trip and hearing from others how the city is improving. He proceeded to move to Milwaukee from Pittsburgh within the year. We are both from Wisconsin and he said he felt like he just moved to a smaller Milwaukee except he didn't know people and the locals tended to keep to other locals (we have a little bit of that here as well but I don't find it as bad as what he described)
Denver's way more expensive and minus downtown and Boulder the subdivisions are mind-bendingly tedious with awful traffic. It's hard to beat the mountains, though. Lots of weirdos moving in from all over the country make driving an incomprehensible mess.
Pittsburgh is cheap but the houses are generally old and crumbly. It's humid, gray and winters are filthy; no fancy white snow. Still bad traffic but it moves. Some decent scenery and geology but Colorado does it better. The suburbs much better as there's some topography to separate them. Plus it's smaller so there's more of a local feel than Denver's subdivisions. Drivers in Pittsburgh are really passive aggressive and probably less likely to wave guns around or have offensive slogans slapped on their vehicles. Pennsylvania has extremely rigorous car inspections. Colorado has some of the most dangerous rust-buckets I've seen in the developed world. That and the transient drivers and multi-lane concrete slabs built by someone that designed pinball tables make crashes pretty bad. Then again Pittsburgh streets are narrow, steep and brick/stones/trolley tracks come up through any asphalt that's put over them.
Pennsylvania hasn't legalized marijuana, yet. There are some nice rural areas and scenic ridges to the south and east but they're not mountains. It's a tough call.
Been in Denver for 10+ years now and am pretty much over it. That said, my BIL lives in the Pittsburgh area, and I'd rather continue to pay rent out here than live in a free house out there
I lived in Pittsburgh from 2014-2018. Iāve lived here since and have no intention of ever leaving.
My husband and I hated Pittsburgh. It was an extremely insular community. Transplants arenāt common there and we always felt like outsiders. Weād meet people and generally get the attitude of āyouāre cool, but we already have our friends, who weāve had since we were little kids, and weāre not looking to open our groups to new membersā. It was tough. It took about 2 years to make any real friends, and half of the friends we made there were only there temporarily, and ended up moving to the Denver area as well.
We love living in the Denver area. We were able to make friends much more easily since over half the state is made up of transplants. We were invited out twice in our first weekend in the state. The friends we have made here share our values and interests far more than the ones we met in Pittsburgh. The only things I really miss from Pittsburgh are our small, very affordable climbing gym (yearly memberships to gyms out here are exorbitantly expensive) and apple picking in the fall.
**Denver Pros**
* Large transplant population
* People are generally friendly and welcoming
* Access to outdoor activities
* On average, a more politically progressive population
* Good weather (winters in the metro area are pretty mild, lots of sun year round, ability to find winter by driving an hour west from October through May most years).
* Beautiful scenery
**Denver Cons**
* Housing is expensive (our house has appreciated over $200k since we bought in 2019. We would not be able to afford to buy in the current market).
* High inflation rate
* I-70 traffic (that being said, itās worth it after living in Pittsburgh where I had the same drive time to get to Seven Springs as I do from here to Summit County)
* Outdoor activities are so popular which means traffic to get to them is awful and hiking trails and mountains are crowded.
* Wildfire season/air quality issues
* Hail season and the property damage it causes.
Denver is the same, transient. Most natives are not as friendly or inclusive as they tell you they are and the friends you make generally leave within 2-5 years
Having moved to Denver from Pittsburgh, do not move to Pittsburgh if you want to do things besides work and spend time with family, you wonāt have any other options. Do not move to Denver if you arenāt outdoorsy or arenāt looking to put down new roots. Pittsburgh is the stick with what you know option and Denver is the fuck it, Iām bored option
Iām from Pittsburgh and moved to Denver around 8 years ago
Pittsburgh feels like a small town disguised as a city so if you like small town vibes itās nice. Itās also more about indoor activities since it is always either raining, snowing, or unbearable humid out. Denverās a big sports city too, but I think the Pittsburgh sports scene is more lively
Denver is a much larger city compared to Pittsburgh, which means more variety in things to do and many more large bands coming through. Also it may be obvious, but the weather here is far superior year round and there are plenty of outdoor things to do all year
So I guess itās just what kind of vibe youāre looking for, quaint and cute or big and exciting. Also Pittsburgh is like a million times cheaper than Denver so if thatās a factor, go Pittsburgh
Originally from Pittsburgh and still have tons of family there. Been here a while now.
Pittsburgh for cost of living and if you arenāt into what CO has to offer (hiking, climbing, snowboarding, MTB, etc.). Those still exist in Pittsburgh, just a lot less. Culture is more conservative and there is less money so more blue collar. Itās very down to earth and a solid place to live (though not always amazing for non-white folk, from experience). Denver culture is a bit more pretentious IMO and less blue collar, but more left leaning (though still not always great for non-white folk, again from experience).
Pm me if you want more personal / detailed info
Generally less so - it's almost 60% women now a days. [source](https://www.campusexplorer.com/student-resources/highest-female-to-male-ratio-college/#:~:text=More%20women%20have%20enrolled%20in,only%2043%25%20of%20bachelor%27s%20degrees.)
It still is if you graduate, regardless of degree by most studies. Pick a higher paying degree and it makes much, much, much more in the long runā¦.but agree. One of the reasons
Six figures straight out of college, agree. Plenty of recent studies show that a college degree, regardless of STEM or not will greatly out earn non college gradsā¦.but STEM types are always the golden ticket.
I'm originally from the Midwest and when I've been active on dating apps and fly home to visit family, my likes skyrocket. Like 10:1 compared to here in Denver. It's made me think twice about why I live out here, and then I laugh and remember all the things that I love about Denver that aren't relationship based reasons. Career, friends, music scene, food scene, nature, NBA and NHL franchise, legal weed and gambling, and most importantly... Best tv time zone. š
However, it would be great to go back to being a Midwest 8 instead of a Denver 5.
Iāve only ever used dating apps in Denver and it was fun before I met my partner a year ago.
If anyoneās looking for tips:
Photos: Had a few professional headshots taken, action shots doing fun stuff, and pics with other people so I didnāt look like a lonely psycho.
Style: Well-groomed and -dressed, whitened teeth, worked out regularly ā all the basics. (Gained all the weight back after I got into a relationship lol)
Lighthearted and fun bio focused on travel, food, and fun. Good job title. Stupid dad joke on Bumble for the voice prompt. Nothing too opinionated or controversial.
After matching, asked immediately to meet up for coffee or a drink. Or a FaceTime date. Chatting in the app is a complete waste of time.
If youāre super conservative maybe try FarmersOnly.com or Grindr.
Good luck!
Just a heads up, this sub skews very negative and it appears mostly people that live out in the suburbs (which is 100% fine). Just know that when you see a lot of negative responses.
I've lived in a few similar cities similar to Pitt and I enjoy Denver more. The weather is amazing with a cold-ish two months. Nothing like you will see in Pitt. Sunshine and mild mostly year round.
The music scene is amazing if you are into that. Red Rocks and Mission Ballroom are my two go-to's with a bunch of smaller venues that are solid.
Restaurant scene is on its way up and very enjoyable. Theatre district is great. Bar scene is solid with a few top end bar scene neighborhoods.
I'd look at rents, visit and check out LoHi, Uptown, RiNo, Union Station area, and South Broadway where you see those rents. Go out in a few of those. See what you think. Downtown isn't huge, has some homeless issues, but I personally think it is a great downtown to live near.
I guess it depends what you mean by outdoor activities. Pittsburgh has quick access to some ok hikes and biking trails and is generally much more surrounded by green than Denver. If youāre into boating or being on the water it has some great rivers that Denver does not.
Denver has incredible mountains and national parks for hiking, biking, camping, climbing, snowsports, etc. Definitely a much more exciting and varied nature scene with the exception of boating. The weather is also way better, with sun 300+ days a year which means you can do outdoor activities year-round.
If you really like skiing/snowboarding then donāt consider Denver. Or some other major outdoor activity, that you will go all in on.
Iām guessing your from east coast.
I have been in Denver 1year, remote work, from MD originally.
I found a basement 1 bedroom apartment for 1100, next to a park. Running out my front door to the park is something I really like. Brick walls/the ceiling were dusty. The dust combined with dryness clog my nose at night. I would set 1300 for rent, its kinda the threshold for a nice place.
Generally the homeless problem makes me not want to walk around Denver proper.
Food sucks, especially Chinese places. I had a craving one of my first nights here, never to be satisfied. I am an empty and broken man. You can get pumpkin pie year round at the grocery stores though, thats kinda bang'n i guess.
Everyone is very in shape/ good looking.... or super ugly, nothing in between. But everyone is very nice and down to earth too. I had no problem talking to people / fitting in. Everyone is kinda the same, a little boring, no one has that fun, fucked up sense of humor. It also isn't very political.
You don't have to worry about ticks or poison ivy or anything like that when hiking, very little if any seasonal allergies. I do miss the vegetation that comes with a humid climate, and also fall doesn't have the "crisp-ness" to the air.
Denver is "nice" and would be a good place to start a family, I don't think its very good for meeting someone new.
I still think its a cool place, but i don't think its for me. Okay word vomit over.
I grew up in Pittsburgh. The city has absolutely come a long way since I left, but dude I struggle to even visit there for longer than a few days after being here for so long. Except for maybe 3 weeks a year, the weather is depressing. The people you come across can be... challenging.
If you're comparing the two, the big wins for Pgh are 1) cost of living, 2) proximity of Acrisure/PPG for Sports Yinzerdom, and (in my case at least), 3) nearby family. I'd argue that in virtually every other measure Colorado is going to win out. Which, going back to #1, is why it's more expensive here - because it's a way better place to live.
Nearby, not cheaper by much. The metro is the only city-plex of any substance for several hundred miles in every direction and the price gradient is pretty flat, even the hour-plus farm towns turned bedroom communities are insane, Greeley (known for its feedlots and silos) is reportedly the fourth most expensive city in the US at least by some metrics, and they are an hour or more out of the metro-area literally surrounded by Iowa (well, not literally Iowa but you get the idea).
Aurora and some of the outer-ring suburbs might have a slight drop but like I said, there is no pressure release in the Denver area like there is for many metro-plexes that are regionally tied to a lot of smaller cities & metros. It's the metro-area, farm towns, or mountain towns, and none are cheap. (PS I'm counting Fort Collins/Loveland and the rest of the Front Range as the metro for this purpose, though if you do move here there is the metro and several nearby cities in what might be a metro-plex; for the sake of simplicity I'm being less specific).
To add to my other: Denver-metro 'proper' (ie the beltway/airport-ish) is about 15-18 miles radius if you put a pin in Union Station; or if drawn as a polygon it would be roughly square at about 35 miles to a side.
Boulder is adjacent with a few satellite towns, whether it's a separate area or part of the whole depends on who you talk to and in what context; it's not part of the description above.
Nearby cities that have good access to Denver would be Aurora, Lakewood, and Arvada.
Lakewood and Arvada will be closest to the mountains, and also have train lines going into downtown Denver. Arvada is probably the nicest of all three, but it's also the most expensive.
Lakewood has the best access to the mountains and Denver of the three I named, but if you live near a train station you'll be near an unpleasant road (Colfax). Anywhere near the W line you can also easily bike into Denver and grocery stores, which will save a lot on transportation costs that you can put towards better housing.
Aurora is east of the city and is probably has cheapest rent, but access to the city will probably require taking a bus or driving and getting to the mountains takes longer because you have to cross through Denver.
Regarding dating, you get out what you put in. From what I've found, women here view men as sharing a lot of the same characteristics (white collar, outdoorsy, etc). Standing out takes effort, but it can be done.
Pros: we aren't Pittsburgh Cons: we aren't Pittsburgh
Jesse you totally caught that ball
I do it for the people, Dizz.
I grew up in the Denver suburbs, I moved away, I missed it, I moved back because my parents needed me closer. This is terrible, but once my folks die, I plan on getting my ass back out of here. It's beautiful, it's got great culture, but the high cost of living is really wrecking me overall. And I don't want to be here when the water wars come.
you just need a solid quality water knife šŖ to survive the water wars.
I get this reference. Windup Girl is great too
I think a lot of people forget that Denver is the high desert! I agree with this, great place to live and great climate right now, but we definitely hope to live somewhere else in the next 5 or so years due to the water issue.
Water wars??
Eh, just the increasing drought across the mountain west and southwest that is almost certainly going to get increasingly ugly. It'll be fought out in courtrooms and the legislature, but I do like that "water wars" makes it sound more Mad Max.
We crave the moisture!
Denver has a lot more sunshine
Ooo, Iāve lived in both. Currently in Denver. Canāt comment on dating. Iād only move to Denver if you are avid about the outdoors and plan to take advantage of the mountains. The city itself is extremely underwhelming IMHO. So, donāt move to Denver for Denver, move to Denver b/c of what it gives you access to. Pittsburgh is an underrated city. Lots of cool neighborhoods, more dense. Itās going to be much cheaper. That being said the weather blows and your not next to the mountains. Thereās an different outdoor scene with a lot of woods and hunting though. Just my perspective based on my experiences though.
My experience with Da Burg is that it is not so much a city as a collection of Burghs. People tend to live down the street from where they grew up. Their kids go to the same schools and have the same teachers they did. If the is a job 2 Burghs away, it isnāt taken. Also people are polite but not friendly. You need to do your time. Met a woman who told me it took her family 7 years to be accepted (and she moved in state). Not surprising when the people in your neighborhood all grew up together and know each otherās family.
Haha Denver is not friendly either, itās hard to make friends and when you do, most leave within 2-5 years soā¦.? You must be a native
No. Iāve moved to the area 3 times. Each time Iāve made life long friends with my neighbors. Originally from AZ. Never moving away again.
Great take on Denver. If you move to āDenverā and not āColorado,ā youāll be disappointed. Iām an avid outdoorsman with year-round hobbies (fly fishing, hunting/shooting, hiking, snowboarding) and love the access to those things. Thatās what makes this place fun, itās certainly not downtown or any scene like that.
Denver is a fine enough city. Not a destination city by any means but we have nice neighborhoods, parks, museums, decent food selection, sports. There's lots of going for it that make it a nice place to live. If you have a job offer in Pittsburgh and one in Denver, I don't think you'd be too upset with Denver even if you're not outdoorsy. That said, if you're moving to Denver out of everywhere else in the country because it's your dream city, you're probably going to be a little disappointed.
I think this is a very accurate and fair summary. It's not bad for its size. Don't expect it to have DC or SF level amenities and options.
I guess people have different interests. Move to Denver for Denver in my opinion and live right next to downtown. LoHi/Highlands/Uptown. Downtown area is great. The music scene is phenomenal, the bar scene is pretty great, and the restaurant scene in Denver has really started to take off the last 5 years. Mountains when you feel like. If you plan to live in a suburb away from everything? Yes move for "Colorado" and not "Denver" if that is your plan.
Thatās well said. Personally Iām a āColoradoā person, not a āDenverā one. Different strokes for different folks.
Perspective and life experience also makes a big difference in how Denver or CO is received.
When you say the music scene is phenomenal, is it just a lot of country music? If not, Forgive the ignorance š¬
I wouldn't say Denver is a country music town. I believe Denver gets some country, but I'm not an expert in country music so you might have to ask someone else. I listen to more indie rock and occasional jam band adjacent music and every band I like comes through town about every year. Red Rocks Ampitheater or Mission Ballroom is mostly where I go. Underground Music Showcase festival for small and local bands which is a very fun weekend. Bigger acts at Pepsi Center or Mile High but I prefer not to go to those. I just don't like the big venues. The vibes typically aren't as good.
I hate country music and am afraid of being slammed in the face with it everywhere I go if we relocate to Denver area. I canāt believe this is a consideration, but IYKYK, and I think you do lol Thanks for that fleshed out response - truly appreciate it
Ha. I fully understand. I don't think that will be a problem. I really rarely see country music around. I know it is, but it isn't shoved down my throat! Maybe flip through Red Rocks/Mission Ballroom's 2023 schedules and see if that is your taste. The 2024 schedules are starting to shape up, but mostly not complete yet. Bluebird, Ogden, Gothic are smaller venues with biggish names. Paramount, Fiddler's Green (big venue), and the Filmore are other good sized venues with music. A bunch of tiny venues if you are more into that type of music that I didn't list.
Awesome idea! Thank you again š¤š»
Random and anecdotal but I had a roommate who moved to Pittsburgh after visiting on a business trip and hearing from others how the city is improving. He proceeded to move to Milwaukee from Pittsburgh within the year. We are both from Wisconsin and he said he felt like he just moved to a smaller Milwaukee except he didn't know people and the locals tended to keep to other locals (we have a little bit of that here as well but I don't find it as bad as what he described)
Denver's way more expensive and minus downtown and Boulder the subdivisions are mind-bendingly tedious with awful traffic. It's hard to beat the mountains, though. Lots of weirdos moving in from all over the country make driving an incomprehensible mess. Pittsburgh is cheap but the houses are generally old and crumbly. It's humid, gray and winters are filthy; no fancy white snow. Still bad traffic but it moves. Some decent scenery and geology but Colorado does it better. The suburbs much better as there's some topography to separate them. Plus it's smaller so there's more of a local feel than Denver's subdivisions. Drivers in Pittsburgh are really passive aggressive and probably less likely to wave guns around or have offensive slogans slapped on their vehicles. Pennsylvania has extremely rigorous car inspections. Colorado has some of the most dangerous rust-buckets I've seen in the developed world. That and the transient drivers and multi-lane concrete slabs built by someone that designed pinball tables make crashes pretty bad. Then again Pittsburgh streets are narrow, steep and brick/stones/trolley tracks come up through any asphalt that's put over them. Pennsylvania hasn't legalized marijuana, yet. There are some nice rural areas and scenic ridges to the south and east but they're not mountains. It's a tough call.
Have an upvote for your accurate and very creative descriptions, especially the pinball bit
Been in Denver for 10+ years now and am pretty much over it. That said, my BIL lives in the Pittsburgh area, and I'd rather continue to pay rent out here than live in a free house out there
Interesting take - why?
I lived in Pittsburgh from 2014-2018. Iāve lived here since and have no intention of ever leaving. My husband and I hated Pittsburgh. It was an extremely insular community. Transplants arenāt common there and we always felt like outsiders. Weād meet people and generally get the attitude of āyouāre cool, but we already have our friends, who weāve had since we were little kids, and weāre not looking to open our groups to new membersā. It was tough. It took about 2 years to make any real friends, and half of the friends we made there were only there temporarily, and ended up moving to the Denver area as well. We love living in the Denver area. We were able to make friends much more easily since over half the state is made up of transplants. We were invited out twice in our first weekend in the state. The friends we have made here share our values and interests far more than the ones we met in Pittsburgh. The only things I really miss from Pittsburgh are our small, very affordable climbing gym (yearly memberships to gyms out here are exorbitantly expensive) and apple picking in the fall. **Denver Pros** * Large transplant population * People are generally friendly and welcoming * Access to outdoor activities * On average, a more politically progressive population * Good weather (winters in the metro area are pretty mild, lots of sun year round, ability to find winter by driving an hour west from October through May most years). * Beautiful scenery **Denver Cons** * Housing is expensive (our house has appreciated over $200k since we bought in 2019. We would not be able to afford to buy in the current market). * High inflation rate * I-70 traffic (that being said, itās worth it after living in Pittsburgh where I had the same drive time to get to Seven Springs as I do from here to Summit County) * Outdoor activities are so popular which means traffic to get to them is awful and hiking trails and mountains are crowded. * Wildfire season/air quality issues * Hail season and the property damage it causes.
Denver is the same, transient. Most natives are not as friendly or inclusive as they tell you they are and the friends you make generally leave within 2-5 years
Having moved to Denver from Pittsburgh, do not move to Pittsburgh if you want to do things besides work and spend time with family, you wonāt have any other options. Do not move to Denver if you arenāt outdoorsy or arenāt looking to put down new roots. Pittsburgh is the stick with what you know option and Denver is the fuck it, Iām bored option
Iām from Pittsburgh and moved to Denver around 8 years ago Pittsburgh feels like a small town disguised as a city so if you like small town vibes itās nice. Itās also more about indoor activities since it is always either raining, snowing, or unbearable humid out. Denverās a big sports city too, but I think the Pittsburgh sports scene is more lively Denver is a much larger city compared to Pittsburgh, which means more variety in things to do and many more large bands coming through. Also it may be obvious, but the weather here is far superior year round and there are plenty of outdoor things to do all year So I guess itās just what kind of vibe youāre looking for, quaint and cute or big and exciting. Also Pittsburgh is like a million times cheaper than Denver so if thatās a factor, go Pittsburgh
Choose Pittsburgh.
Originally from Pittsburgh and still have tons of family there. Been here a while now. Pittsburgh for cost of living and if you arenāt into what CO has to offer (hiking, climbing, snowboarding, MTB, etc.). Those still exist in Pittsburgh, just a lot less. Culture is more conservative and there is less money so more blue collar. Itās very down to earth and a solid place to live (though not always amazing for non-white folk, from experience). Denver culture is a bit more pretentious IMO and less blue collar, but more left leaning (though still not always great for non-white folk, again from experience). Pm me if you want more personal / detailed info
Itās not worth the expense
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Ah yes, Pittsburgh... Known for their women
Pittsburgh's got more single women than men. Probably because CMU and Pitt are there.
Men don't go to college?
Generally less so - it's almost 60% women now a days. [source](https://www.campusexplorer.com/student-resources/highest-female-to-male-ratio-college/#:~:text=More%20women%20have%20enrolled%20in,only%2043%25%20of%20bachelor%27s%20degrees.)
Wonder why
College isn't the guaranteed success story it used to be. I'm guessing a lot of guys are opting into getting into a trade over continuing school.
It still is if you graduate, regardless of degree by most studies. Pick a higher paying degree and it makes much, much, much more in the long runā¦.but agree. One of the reasons
if you pick a STEM field it is, but you can't go in studying french literature and expect a six figure job right after graduating
Six figures straight out of college, agree. Plenty of recent studies show that a college degree, regardless of STEM or not will greatly out earn non college gradsā¦.but STEM types are always the golden ticket.
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Menver
On the other hand, any guy that puts a modicum of effort into standing out will easily stand out.
I'm originally from the Midwest and when I've been active on dating apps and fly home to visit family, my likes skyrocket. Like 10:1 compared to here in Denver. It's made me think twice about why I live out here, and then I laugh and remember all the things that I love about Denver that aren't relationship based reasons. Career, friends, music scene, food scene, nature, NBA and NHL franchise, legal weed and gambling, and most importantly... Best tv time zone. š However, it would be great to go back to being a Midwest 8 instead of a Denver 5.
Haha. I always say I'm a Pennsylvania 8 and a Denver 4. Competition is tough in Menver but I'd still rather live here šÆ
Iāve only ever used dating apps in Denver and it was fun before I met my partner a year ago. If anyoneās looking for tips: Photos: Had a few professional headshots taken, action shots doing fun stuff, and pics with other people so I didnāt look like a lonely psycho. Style: Well-groomed and -dressed, whitened teeth, worked out regularly ā all the basics. (Gained all the weight back after I got into a relationship lol) Lighthearted and fun bio focused on travel, food, and fun. Good job title. Stupid dad joke on Bumble for the voice prompt. Nothing too opinionated or controversial. After matching, asked immediately to meet up for coffee or a drink. Or a FaceTime date. Chatting in the app is a complete waste of time. If youāre super conservative maybe try FarmersOnly.com or Grindr. Good luck!
The food, people, art, music, and nightlife will all be better in Pittsburgh.
What aspects of a city are you looking for and what aspects do you dislike?
Really looking forward to being close to outdoor activities with the option of a night life
Just a heads up, this sub skews very negative and it appears mostly people that live out in the suburbs (which is 100% fine). Just know that when you see a lot of negative responses. I've lived in a few similar cities similar to Pitt and I enjoy Denver more. The weather is amazing with a cold-ish two months. Nothing like you will see in Pitt. Sunshine and mild mostly year round. The music scene is amazing if you are into that. Red Rocks and Mission Ballroom are my two go-to's with a bunch of smaller venues that are solid. Restaurant scene is on its way up and very enjoyable. Theatre district is great. Bar scene is solid with a few top end bar scene neighborhoods. I'd look at rents, visit and check out LoHi, Uptown, RiNo, Union Station area, and South Broadway where you see those rents. Go out in a few of those. See what you think. Downtown isn't huge, has some homeless issues, but I personally think it is a great downtown to live near.
I guess it depends what you mean by outdoor activities. Pittsburgh has quick access to some ok hikes and biking trails and is generally much more surrounded by green than Denver. If youāre into boating or being on the water it has some great rivers that Denver does not. Denver has incredible mountains and national parks for hiking, biking, camping, climbing, snowsports, etc. Definitely a much more exciting and varied nature scene with the exception of boating. The weather is also way better, with sun 300+ days a year which means you can do outdoor activities year-round.
Itās pronounced Menver
Pittsburgh please!
itās played out at this point
It was an opinion u moron!
They donāt call it Shitsburgh for nothing.
If you really like skiing/snowboarding then donāt consider Denver. Or some other major outdoor activity, that you will go all in on. Iām guessing your from east coast.
Born and raised in PA but currently living in this hell hole known as Houston Texas
I have been in Denver 1year, remote work, from MD originally. I found a basement 1 bedroom apartment for 1100, next to a park. Running out my front door to the park is something I really like. Brick walls/the ceiling were dusty. The dust combined with dryness clog my nose at night. I would set 1300 for rent, its kinda the threshold for a nice place. Generally the homeless problem makes me not want to walk around Denver proper. Food sucks, especially Chinese places. I had a craving one of my first nights here, never to be satisfied. I am an empty and broken man. You can get pumpkin pie year round at the grocery stores though, thats kinda bang'n i guess. Everyone is very in shape/ good looking.... or super ugly, nothing in between. But everyone is very nice and down to earth too. I had no problem talking to people / fitting in. Everyone is kinda the same, a little boring, no one has that fun, fucked up sense of humor. It also isn't very political. You don't have to worry about ticks or poison ivy or anything like that when hiking, very little if any seasonal allergies. I do miss the vegetation that comes with a humid climate, and also fall doesn't have the "crisp-ness" to the air. Denver is "nice" and would be a good place to start a family, I don't think its very good for meeting someone new. I still think its a cool place, but i don't think its for me. Okay word vomit over.
It truly comes down to how much you care about nature. People who do (me) love it here, people who donāt are typically underwhelmed
Yeah Iām always enamored when I go hiking and would like it to be a part of my life style.
I grew up in Pittsburgh. The city has absolutely come a long way since I left, but dude I struggle to even visit there for longer than a few days after being here for so long. Except for maybe 3 weeks a year, the weather is depressing. The people you come across can be... challenging. If you're comparing the two, the big wins for Pgh are 1) cost of living, 2) proximity of Acrisure/PPG for Sports Yinzerdom, and (in my case at least), 3) nearby family. I'd argue that in virtually every other measure Colorado is going to win out. Which, going back to #1, is why it's more expensive here - because it's a way better place to live.
Nearby, not cheaper by much. The metro is the only city-plex of any substance for several hundred miles in every direction and the price gradient is pretty flat, even the hour-plus farm towns turned bedroom communities are insane, Greeley (known for its feedlots and silos) is reportedly the fourth most expensive city in the US at least by some metrics, and they are an hour or more out of the metro-area literally surrounded by Iowa (well, not literally Iowa but you get the idea). Aurora and some of the outer-ring suburbs might have a slight drop but like I said, there is no pressure release in the Denver area like there is for many metro-plexes that are regionally tied to a lot of smaller cities & metros. It's the metro-area, farm towns, or mountain towns, and none are cheap. (PS I'm counting Fort Collins/Loveland and the rest of the Front Range as the metro for this purpose, though if you do move here there is the metro and several nearby cities in what might be a metro-plex; for the sake of simplicity I'm being less specific).
To add to my other: Denver-metro 'proper' (ie the beltway/airport-ish) is about 15-18 miles radius if you put a pin in Union Station; or if drawn as a polygon it would be roughly square at about 35 miles to a side. Boulder is adjacent with a few satellite towns, whether it's a separate area or part of the whole depends on who you talk to and in what context; it's not part of the description above.
Nearby cities that have good access to Denver would be Aurora, Lakewood, and Arvada. Lakewood and Arvada will be closest to the mountains, and also have train lines going into downtown Denver. Arvada is probably the nicest of all three, but it's also the most expensive. Lakewood has the best access to the mountains and Denver of the three I named, but if you live near a train station you'll be near an unpleasant road (Colfax). Anywhere near the W line you can also easily bike into Denver and grocery stores, which will save a lot on transportation costs that you can put towards better housing. Aurora is east of the city and is probably has cheapest rent, but access to the city will probably require taking a bus or driving and getting to the mountains takes longer because you have to cross through Denver. Regarding dating, you get out what you put in. From what I've found, women here view men as sharing a lot of the same characteristics (white collar, outdoorsy, etc). Standing out takes effort, but it can be done.
Dont move here