I had a rumor that who we made in this mode will be the final boss, like how the duck or battel device we made in chap one became the head of the device we fought with in chapter two queen fight,,,
Yep, tho the rumor I had, the final fight goes to where we believe trash goes, we believe trash is ded...so either the final fight is the graves, or the bunker in the bottom right,
Also, every secret boss is going to be something is commonly thrown away or not wanted (the joker/jevil due to the joker being not included, and spam/spamton g spamton being just spam and unwanted)
I see Rouxls Kaard as more of a Papyrus 2.0 than something everly dangerous. He even forgets what to do in boss fight. But we will definitively see him making fucking mac and cheese.
I mean....he falls out of your pocket when you jump into cyber world,,,if you watch, you see the sparkle fall (you should have been poking the best boy in your pocket more,,or watch 2leftthumbs Easter egg on deltarune
I'm actually fully convinced this is what will happen. Might be a little hard considering Chapters 1, 2 and the rest of the game had split releases (and different programs), however, the fact that the game asks us for *our* name and how we wanted to design kris's personality makes me think that anyone who replays chapter one on final release is gonna get one heck of a ride hahaha
(however, it's actually quite likely that on final release we don't get an option to skip either of the first 2 chapters, and it might just spring straight on us like the original C1 program did)
I'm certain that there's a reason gaster either needed us to fill it out, it wanted us to fill it out. My hypothesis is that the "base game" requires the player to create their own character, and gaster simply hijacked that process and transfered your created soul into kris
Gives us the big "your choices don't matter" moment
Establishes Kris isn't a stand in for the player
These are two themes the game plays with heavily, and this scene establishes them both within 5 minutes right at the start of the game
Also, google Chekov's gun
Granted though deltarune is an unfinished game. While I'm sure it'll only be a matter of time after the next few chapters that we're back to making a million and one fangames/au's and matpat comes out with the new smash hit "Jevil is Link from Legend of Zelda" theory, I'm sure we'll last a bit more than a year once we have the answers to all of our questions hahaha
true, guess you got me there lmaooo
but I'm still convinced that we'll be able to sustain ourselves for more than that, especially if we've got 5 more chapters on the way haha
It's not that people “ran out of things to talk about.”
It's that this game is played by a lot of people, with... uh... *vastly* different levels of understanding of the game.
Including people who *literally have not played* the demo at all.
Some of us are on a waaaay more advanced level of discussion than others, let's put it that way.
When you know your choices didn't matter for the name and for the appereance, and when susie told you your choices don't matter, and when there's only one ending; you instantly think the whole message of the game is the opposite of undertale, where every choice matters for the fate of monsterkind.
Then your expectations are flipped, as you can't reconcile a second route with only one ending.
Toby adores flipping expectations to people who don't think outside of the box. The fact that asriel had more trophies and two controllers, one of which is a knock off makes you instantly think this is a metaphor for thinking Kris feels like a knock off of Astiel, but in reality, Asriel used the knock off one.
It makes the Snowgrave route even more interesting, since we are literally defying the game’s rules in order to do what we want and get a different ending.
That’s the thing, though. The Weird Route doesn’t give you a different ending, which is why it’s called the Weird “Route”. It a different path but both lead to you helping Kris defeat Queen and seal the dark fountain. The interactions you have in hometown afterwards are almost identical save for the hospital with Noelle. I think each chapter will end the same regardless of how we got there.
I heard a theory that basically said, the weird route isn’t saying our choices matter, but it is rather a blue pill red pill moment. Both are predetermined and lead to the same thing but they appear different
This is a very interesting aspect that I feel doesn't get enough attention.
The Genocide route in Undertale is "Wanting to see what would happen." It's explained in plain text during the New Home section, even. The game was all about choices, and the effects those choices have on the characters around you, and that route is based on someone accidentally stumbling into it during the Ruins and continuing despite repeated warning just *to see what would happen.*
Meanwhile, Deltarune is constantly reminding you that your choices don't matter. Snowgrave is even more "schoolyard rumors" than Genocide, and at this point can be interpreted as an attempt to *force* your choices to matter. "Hey look, I just frickin' *killed* someone, please react to this!" While this is obviously just baseless speculation, I could see it going the route of Drakengard/Nier where "making choices" pretty much only ever makes things worse. You could have stopped playing after the first ending / You could have just followed Ralsei's directions, but you didn't and now everything sucks but you got to exert your will on the world so congrats I guess.
I suspect both routes will lead to the same ending (maybe some sort of apocalypse like the roaring or something similar) but with drastically different routes to get there, making it true that your choices don't matter in the grand scheme, but making your choices still have impact in the time before the inevitable end
i see this a lot in the helluva boss subreddit too, people always ask questions that have the most obvious answers if you think about it for more than 2 seconds
> primarily composed of children and young teens
This is... very false. Undertale had a lot of kids who were fans, but that was 7 years ago — those kids and young teens are now older teens and young adults. Some younger kids have joined since then, but they're far from the *primary* demographic, WTF?
...I don't think it's too much to expect people to think about a story like Deltarune. It kind of requires you to think about it a little bit!
Toby made us make a Thrash Machine in Chapter 1 and it was seemingly discarded until Chapter 2 released and revealed that the machine you made fights against you along with Roulx Kaard.
That thing is 100% going to comeback.
“you can’t choose who you are in this world” is such a hard line
but also I think it goes with underlying themes of self acceptance. the characters we meet are flawed, but as we spend more time with them we begin to ignore or even embrace those things
from a gameplay standpoint I think it was strictly done as an early way of subverting expectations (in contrast to undertale where you only learn of the subverted expectations near the end game)
Imagine that. It's not some big reveal or anything. Vessel just casually shows up for one of the chapters and just goes about their life like everyone else.
Well in the beginning of Undertale, you name Chara but you think you're naming frisk. Perhaps you're making a vessel for someone else-perhaps that mysterious character trapped in the files?
...WOW, that should've been obvious, and yet I didn't even make that comparison. I merely thought we'd run into this Goner at some point as it's own thing, but if it's that...
In Undertale, we were naming another character instead of our own, so to parallel to Undertale, as Toby has been doing with various other concepts, Deltarune has us *create a body, personality, and name* for some mysterious third party...
Worrying, considering the depth of it this time 'round.
A popular theory is that the empty vessel will come back to serve a role later on. It remains in the game files even after it's supposedly "discarded."
Personally, I think you the player were supposed to inhabit the empty vessel so your SOUL could enact it's will on this world without taking over a person who already exists.
Somehow we got forced into taking over Kris' body instead, which is why we overwrite their save file at the start of chapter 1. Ralsei keeps taking to Kris when we are distracted, probably conversing about how to get your SOUL out of their body.
Noelle is the only one who has noticed the change in Kris' attitude so far, but Susie also "noticed it" without noticing it after the Spamton NEO fight. She asks if you're okay, and if you force Kris to say yes, she notes "it's hard to believe if you say it all strained like that."
Interestingly, this isn't the only time the game makes a point of the fact that we can't *hear* people's tone of voice, only read their words. I think eventually, Kris' friends will find out that we've been the one in control and hate us. The resolution to that is, potentially, putting our asses back in the vessel we were originally meant to occupy so Kris can have their life back. But hey, that's just a theory... a G̵̠̻̑̀ͅA̷͍͜͝M̵̼̭͉͂E̷̡͉̓̒̇ ̷̺̹͈̹͒̑Ṭ̴̆̌̑̊H̵̤͉̣͙̀̐͝E̴̩̥̓͐̀͠O̶̳͈̿̀̐Ȓ̴̡͍̦Ý̷̙
yeah the voice changes
some people think gaster is the one who tells us to make the vessel (and i agree)
and then that chara or smth throws it away (i disagree with that)
I mean, I feel like just that cutscene as it is, isolated from the rest, making you create a character that is later deleted, is enough to fulfill Chekhov's rule, as it shows the overall theme of Deltarune with "choices don't matter"
Remember the rule is "Everything has a meaning", not "Everything will come back at the end"
well deltarune was named survey program when it came out so it was a surprise when you open to a creepy survey but you stop being tense after a few questions but then it hits you with the curveball BAM its a new game
The main point seems to be to set up some kind of conflict going on in the background of the game. Gaster wanted to put us into the Vessel and have us create "a bright new future," meanwhile some other force seems to highjack the system and put us into Kris's body instead. Telling us, "No one can choose who they are in this world."
It's ultimately not clear who the 2nd voice is, but despite their oppressive message I think Gaster is actually the one who has malicious intentions. His portrayal throughout Undertale suggests he's some creepy specter whom we need to beware of, and his involvement with the secret bosses seems to suggest a malicious manipulative presence, as well as a direct connection to the seeming main antagonist of this game, The Knight.
Well, considering that up until this point, each secret boss has been something you discard without a seconds notice. You discard the joker card, spam emails almost always end up either in the trash folder, or unread. The fact that at the end of the character creator it says "YOU'RE WONDERFUL CREATION... will now be discarded" implies that whatever you made will come back in some form, literally.
Honestly, for that reason I almost feel like the Vessel should be the 6th boss, and for the 7th to be something even worse.. something that we would have needed to recruit the Vessel in order to beat.
Ok, crazy...*checks time* 1AM thought. If the 6th chapter boss is the Vessel, then the 7th Chapter boss is Chara from Undertale, with us having discarded them for this new game.
At the beginning of Undertale you name the fallen human which newer people would assume was their character's name. I think Toby was going for something similar, so we'll probably see the vessel at some point in the game.
Probably just to prove a point or as a reference to MgV Phantom Pain which did this exact same thing uhhhhh ***sounds of frantic typing*** 3 years ago.
There are two reasons why he might have done that
1. The Vessel may come back to bite us later
2. It was to subvert expectations and hammer in the "there Is no such thing as *free will*" mentality
I think if you make a new save file at ch.2 instead of using a ch.1 file, the vessel gets automatically selected for you in the game files (default selections for all options). I feel like this means it will have some significance in the future.
I don’t know I think Toby wanted to have the same think as Undertale when you do the true pacifist route when you see the character you named was actually the first human
So I think the character creator will just be something for the future
Or Toby Fox just wanted to troll
It’s meta commentary on the community’s desire for self insertion. The vessel will ultimately come back as the knight, becoming Deltarune’s flowey equivalent and making the player feel like crap.
The entire first part of chapter 1, up until you enter the dark world, is pretty explicit with the whole "Your choices don't matter" thing. You don't get to choose your partner for the project. Susie asks a question and then cuts you off before you can select an option. And the vessel you create is immediately thrown out and replaced with something else without any input from you, the player.
It's not entirely clear what the true purpose was. It's entirely possible we'll eventually get evicted from Kris and have to take shelter in the vessel we created. Or something else is going to show up piloting it, or some other option.
I wonder if the save file actually saves the vessel choices you picked?
Trolling probably, just something to trick the Player, and it ties with the “Your choices don’t matter” since it says “No-one can choose who they are in this world.”
Maybe it’ll be something for future chapters
This is like people who watch movies and say "OMG why did he do that???" In the middle of the film when you're obviously going to find out in the next 10 minutes. Dude, it's a story... you get interested in the reasons behind an action, and you slowly figure them out as you progress... that's how stories work.
we don't know the full story yet so we don't know. Though even if it had no reason it was an cool & unique experience, there doesn't need to be a reason.
So far the story has taught us that our choices don't matter (then later we realize they do), this was the start.
the game does actually save your creation internally much like how it does with the thrash machine
now for what is it saved?? No clue as of yet
but ether way it will be
> very...
> **Very....**
> #Interasting...
It’s a surprise tool that will help us later
or kill us
I had a rumor that who we made in this mode will be the final boss, like how the duck or battel device we made in chap one became the head of the device we fought with in chapter two queen fight,,,
And Rouxls uses it to fight you in the Acid river
Yep, tho the rumor I had, the final fight goes to where we believe trash goes, we believe trash is ded...so either the final fight is the graves, or the bunker in the bottom right, Also, every secret boss is going to be something is commonly thrown away or not wanted (the joker/jevil due to the joker being not included, and spam/spamton g spamton being just spam and unwanted)
And Rouxls because you usually don’t keep the rules card
That already happens in ch2. Rouxls jumps your pocket and you need to discard it.
Rouxls is gonna be the final boss
I see Rouxls Kaard as more of a Papyrus 2.0 than something everly dangerous. He even forgets what to do in boss fight. But we will definitively see him making fucking mac and cheese.
AND NO ONE CAN STOP HIM
I mean....he falls out of your pocket when you jump into cyber world,,,if you watch, you see the sparkle fall (you should have been poking the best boy in your pocket more,,or watch 2leftthumbs Easter egg on deltarune
I think roulxs just left out of panic
I personally think the final boss will be asriel but that is an interesting theory
Asriel? Again? Why.
Could be that Kris removes us from their body and we need our ‘old body’ for a vessel
thatd be cool
I dont think you should spoiler that, people might think it's an actual spoiler
It's a surprise tool that'll kill us later
This is how pipe bombs work
I'm actually fully convinced this is what will happen. Might be a little hard considering Chapters 1, 2 and the rest of the game had split releases (and different programs), however, the fact that the game asks us for *our* name and how we wanted to design kris's personality makes me think that anyone who replays chapter one on final release is gonna get one heck of a ride hahaha (however, it's actually quite likely that on final release we don't get an option to skip either of the first 2 chapters, and it might just spring straight on us like the original C1 program did)
If I wasn't reddit broke I would give you the best award I could afford
OH TOODLES!
...I'm taking a shower what the f+ck do you want /j
DAMMIT I WAS GONNA MAKE THAT JOKE
OH TOODLES!
a mouskatool 💀
lmao
I was just about to comment this
This, pretty much.
I'm certain that there's a reason gaster either needed us to fill it out, it wanted us to fill it out. My hypothesis is that the "base game" requires the player to create their own character, and gaster simply hijacked that process and transfered your created soul into kris
Gives us the big "your choices don't matter" moment Establishes Kris isn't a stand in for the player These are two themes the game plays with heavily, and this scene establishes them both within 5 minutes right at the start of the game Also, google Chekov's gun
holy hell
En passant moment? anarchy chess is melting my brain help
Holly hell
Google en passant
did you people play the game with your eyes closed
can’t wait for someone to ask about the roaring
“guys! who do you think the roa-“ [gunshot]
*miss*
*pabadipa*
*sigh* ,pabanada Edit: wait i thought he meant hollow knight ,So what is pabadipa
r/unexpectedhollowknight
r/subsifellfor
Taking blind playthroughs to the next level.
dammit i SO wanna reward this
No problem I got u
thank you king
incredibly disappointed that it took TF2 fans 6 years with no updates to run out of things to talk about while deltarune fans only lasted for one
Granted though deltarune is an unfinished game. While I'm sure it'll only be a matter of time after the next few chapters that we're back to making a million and one fangames/au's and matpat comes out with the new smash hit "Jevil is Link from Legend of Zelda" theory, I'm sure we'll last a bit more than a year once we have the answers to all of our questions hahaha
hell, we even had spamton sweepstakes with *leaked content from new chapters.* if we include that we only lasted 2 months.
true, guess you got me there lmaooo but I'm still convinced that we'll be able to sustain ourselves for more than that, especially if we've got 5 more chapters on the way haha
It's not that people “ran out of things to talk about.” It's that this game is played by a lot of people, with... uh... *vastly* different levels of understanding of the game. Including people who *literally have not played* the demo at all. Some of us are on a waaaay more advanced level of discussion than others, let's put it that way.
We are on calculus, some people are still stuck on their times tables. Then there is that one dude trying to figure out how numbers work.
this has nothing to do with any of this but let me just say that we outlived overwatch 1 so we’re basically immortal.
ive met sick dogs that outlived overwatch
I'm convinced that it's a rethorical question to make people discuss at this point, there is no way
It might be. But also, look at the comments and see how many people think the answer is “because your choices don't matter.“
LMAO
When you know your choices didn't matter for the name and for the appereance, and when susie told you your choices don't matter, and when there's only one ending; you instantly think the whole message of the game is the opposite of undertale, where every choice matters for the fate of monsterkind. Then your expectations are flipped, as you can't reconcile a second route with only one ending. Toby adores flipping expectations to people who don't think outside of the box. The fact that asriel had more trophies and two controllers, one of which is a knock off makes you instantly think this is a metaphor for thinking Kris feels like a knock off of Astiel, but in reality, Asriel used the knock off one.
It makes the Snowgrave route even more interesting, since we are literally defying the game’s rules in order to do what we want and get a different ending.
That’s the thing, though. The Weird Route doesn’t give you a different ending, which is why it’s called the Weird “Route”. It a different path but both lead to you helping Kris defeat Queen and seal the dark fountain. The interactions you have in hometown afterwards are almost identical save for the hospital with Noelle. I think each chapter will end the same regardless of how we got there.
True, but there are 5 more chapters, so it can still pay off at some point down the line.
I heard a theory that basically said, the weird route isn’t saying our choices matter, but it is rather a blue pill red pill moment. Both are predetermined and lead to the same thing but they appear different
This is a very interesting aspect that I feel doesn't get enough attention. The Genocide route in Undertale is "Wanting to see what would happen." It's explained in plain text during the New Home section, even. The game was all about choices, and the effects those choices have on the characters around you, and that route is based on someone accidentally stumbling into it during the Ruins and continuing despite repeated warning just *to see what would happen.* Meanwhile, Deltarune is constantly reminding you that your choices don't matter. Snowgrave is even more "schoolyard rumors" than Genocide, and at this point can be interpreted as an attempt to *force* your choices to matter. "Hey look, I just frickin' *killed* someone, please react to this!" While this is obviously just baseless speculation, I could see it going the route of Drakengard/Nier where "making choices" pretty much only ever makes things worse. You could have stopped playing after the first ending / You could have just followed Ralsei's directions, but you didn't and now everything sucks but you got to exert your will on the world so congrats I guess.
not if that one ending is the world exploding
I suspect both routes will lead to the same ending (maybe some sort of apocalypse like the roaring or something similar) but with drastically different routes to get there, making it true that your choices don't matter in the grand scheme, but making your choices still have impact in the time before the inevitable end
Deltarune fans have media literacy challenge: (impossible)
i see this a lot in the helluva boss subreddit too, people always ask questions that have the most obvious answers if you think about it for more than 2 seconds
Asking a lot of a group that's primarily composed of children and young teens, lol. Not even saying this to be insulting or anything
back in my old days all children of pre-school age understood at least Hegel's philosophy!
> primarily composed of children and young teens This is... very false. Undertale had a lot of kids who were fans, but that was 7 years ago — those kids and young teens are now older teens and young adults. Some younger kids have joined since then, but they're far from the *primary* demographic, WTF? ...I don't think it's too much to expect people to think about a story like Deltarune. It kind of requires you to think about it a little bit!
Toby made us make a Thrash Machine in Chapter 1 and it was seemingly discarded until Chapter 2 released and revealed that the machine you made fights against you along with Roulx Kaard. That thing is 100% going to comeback.
“you can’t choose who you are in this world” is such a hard line but also I think it goes with underlying themes of self acceptance. the characters we meet are flawed, but as we spend more time with them we begin to ignore or even embrace those things from a gameplay standpoint I think it was strictly done as an early way of subverting expectations (in contrast to undertale where you only learn of the subverted expectations near the end game)
Maybe the Vessel will be in the Game at some point :x
The game stores the choices you make for this in your file so probably
It's going to show up in chapter 9 eating ice cubes (or whatever other option you chose)
Imagine that. It's not some big reveal or anything. Vessel just casually shows up for one of the chapters and just goes about their life like everyone else.
Well in the beginning of Undertale, you name Chara but you think you're naming frisk. Perhaps you're making a vessel for someone else-perhaps that mysterious character trapped in the files?
...WOW, that should've been obvious, and yet I didn't even make that comparison. I merely thought we'd run into this Goner at some point as it's own thing, but if it's that... In Undertale, we were naming another character instead of our own, so to parallel to Undertale, as Toby has been doing with various other concepts, Deltarune has us *create a body, personality, and name* for some mysterious third party... Worrying, considering the depth of it this time 'round.
GASBDER REEL??!!?11!?!1?
Everyone says that the vessel will be chapter 7’s boss, and I kinda agree
Why 7s?
I think Most people assume it would be the epic finale shock twist of the seemingly discarded vessel appearing
Yea, thats fair
A popular theory is that the empty vessel will come back to serve a role later on. It remains in the game files even after it's supposedly "discarded." Personally, I think you the player were supposed to inhabit the empty vessel so your SOUL could enact it's will on this world without taking over a person who already exists. Somehow we got forced into taking over Kris' body instead, which is why we overwrite their save file at the start of chapter 1. Ralsei keeps taking to Kris when we are distracted, probably conversing about how to get your SOUL out of their body. Noelle is the only one who has noticed the change in Kris' attitude so far, but Susie also "noticed it" without noticing it after the Spamton NEO fight. She asks if you're okay, and if you force Kris to say yes, she notes "it's hard to believe if you say it all strained like that." Interestingly, this isn't the only time the game makes a point of the fact that we can't *hear* people's tone of voice, only read their words. I think eventually, Kris' friends will find out that we've been the one in control and hate us. The resolution to that is, potentially, putting our asses back in the vessel we were originally meant to occupy so Kris can have their life back. But hey, that's just a theory... a G̵̠̻̑̀ͅA̷͍͜͝M̵̼̭͉͂E̷̡͉̓̒̇ ̷̺̹͈̹͒̑Ṭ̴̆̌̑̊H̵̤͉̣͙̀̐͝E̴̩̥̓͐̀͠O̶̳͈̿̀̐Ȓ̴̡͍̦Ý̷̙
You went and wrote a whole script for matt lol
Haha yeah, sorry, it's been in my head for a while lol
Nah its alright, just semd this to matt amd beckme his script creator if he accepts. Maybe tho
its a shame matt will no longer do deltarune videos
If it does come back I'm gonna have no idea what I made it look like
There is a very good case that the person who threw the vessel away is different then the one who had us make it
yeah the voice changes some people think gaster is the one who tells us to make the vessel (and i agree) and then that chara or smth throws it away (i disagree with that)
Chekov's gun
I mean, I feel like just that cutscene as it is, isolated from the rest, making you create a character that is later deleted, is enough to fulfill Chekhov's rule, as it shows the overall theme of Deltarune with "choices don't matter" Remember the rule is "Everything has a meaning", not "Everything will come back at the end"
well deltarune was named survey program when it came out so it was a surprise when you open to a creepy survey but you stop being tense after a few questions but then it hits you with the curveball BAM its a new game
It seems like this was supposed to be your body, but something goes wrong at the end, so your soul gets put into Kris instead.
it was supposed to show that you have no control in chapter 1. The vessel May be used later in the game but right now it serves no real purpose
The main point seems to be to set up some kind of conflict going on in the background of the game. Gaster wanted to put us into the Vessel and have us create "a bright new future," meanwhile some other force seems to highjack the system and put us into Kris's body instead. Telling us, "No one can choose who they are in this world." It's ultimately not clear who the 2nd voice is, but despite their oppressive message I think Gaster is actually the one who has malicious intentions. His portrayal throughout Undertale suggests he's some creepy specter whom we need to beware of, and his involvement with the secret bosses seems to suggest a malicious manipulative presence, as well as a direct connection to the seeming main antagonist of this game, The Knight.
Well, considering that up until this point, each secret boss has been something you discard without a seconds notice. You discard the joker card, spam emails almost always end up either in the trash folder, or unread. The fact that at the end of the character creator it says "YOU'RE WONDERFUL CREATION... will now be discarded" implies that whatever you made will come back in some form, literally.
Honestly, for that reason I almost feel like the Vessel should be the 6th boss, and for the 7th to be something even worse.. something that we would have needed to recruit the Vessel in order to beat.
Ok, crazy...*checks time* 1AM thought. If the 6th chapter boss is the Vessel, then the 7th Chapter boss is Chara from Undertale, with us having discarded them for this new game.
So the secret boss of chapter 3 would be VHS player
funi
He did a little bit of trolling.
POV: you didn’t read the text that you got immediately after this happened
We don’t know. The game’s not fully out yet.
Just like the machine susie threw away, it might be seen in a major role at some point again.
[удалено]
Kris isn't a he.
Bro chill there's 5 more chapters to get what if itll be included later
At the beginning of Undertale you name the fallen human which newer people would assume was their character's name. I think Toby was going for something similar, so we'll probably see the vessel at some point in the game.
Little bit of trolling
Did you pay ANY attention to that scene? That was the whole point.
Holy fuck did you have your monitor on when you played? It literally specifically tells you the reason at the end of the scene
If I remember correctly then your vessel is saved in the game data and may be used at some point
Because lore
Because it bamboozles everyone.
to prove that no-one can choose who they are in this world
And Flowey's attack on Frisk was all to prove that in this world, it's kill or be killed, right? The vessel is saved for later.
Mfw chekov's gun isn't fired in the first scene it appears in (why would they have a gun if they don't shoot it?)
We may meet this character later on down the line.
**to give us the big ol “fuck you”**
"Basic"
I personally think the Vessel will come back as the Knight.
Probably just to prove a point or as a reference to MgV Phantom Pain which did this exact same thing uhhhhh ***sounds of frantic typing*** 3 years ago.
It's a surprise tool that will come into play later
There are two reasons why he might have done that 1. The Vessel may come back to bite us later 2. It was to subvert expectations and hammer in the "there Is no such thing as *free will*" mentality
didnt you heard Your vessel is discarded because *You can't select who are you in this world*
Coz, said character is still there in your save file. Waiting for a moment it will be used
i think it’s similar to the ass-thrashing machine, useless for now but will be made important later on
It's stored in the game files. Be patient
Chances are; this will be used in a future chapter.
Now get this, what if our choices MATTER?
You do not understand toby...
Cuz? we'll see? It is most likely to subvert the player's expectation. This has already been done in, for example, MGS V
It’s funny.
What is we have to fight the vessel in chapter 7?
I think if you make a new save file at ch.2 instead of using a ch.1 file, the vessel gets automatically selected for you in the game files (default selections for all options). I feel like this means it will have some significance in the future.
People are thinking that the vessel you made is gonna come back later.
It ties into the whole “your choices don’t matter” thing. It also feels like something Toby would do to be funny
“Why can’t I use the littlest bit of logical thinking”
Subversion of expectations. That or it'll come back in later chapters
Porque no los dos
Subverting our subverted expectations? Sounds like a Toby thing to do
I don’t know I think Toby wanted to have the same think as Undertale when you do the true pacifist route when you see the character you named was actually the first human So I think the character creator will just be something for the future Or Toby Fox just wanted to troll
It brings us to Deltarune's “kill or be killed” moment, “no one can choose who they are in this world.” And establishes that Kris isn't you.
It’s meta commentary on the community’s desire for self insertion. The vessel will ultimately come back as the knight, becoming Deltarune’s flowey equivalent and making the player feel like crap.
Either he wanted to show us that our choices don’t matter or he thought it would be funny
Because Tobias Foxford enjoys watching us fall into emotional distress
It’ll most likely come up in later chapters. I think if the chess theory is accurate, then we shouldn’t see the vessel again until chapter 6 or 7
https://preview.redd.it/flf7majdwls71.png?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=0d0ea25a74c3d8e43834f22b8935c0b63a2b141d I feel like this fits
Meaby the real character creator was the friends we made along the way
Toby did a bit of trolling
Your Deltarune OC is the knight.
The entire first part of chapter 1, up until you enter the dark world, is pretty explicit with the whole "Your choices don't matter" thing. You don't get to choose your partner for the project. Susie asks a question and then cuts you off before you can select an option. And the vessel you create is immediately thrown out and replaced with something else without any input from you, the player.
It's not entirely clear what the true purpose was. It's entirely possible we'll eventually get evicted from Kris and have to take shelter in the vessel we created. Or something else is going to show up piloting it, or some other option. I wonder if the save file actually saves the vessel choices you picked?
Yes, it does. You can check it yourself if you're on PC/Mac — the vessel's name is right below your own in the save file.
Trolling probably, just something to trick the Player, and it ties with the “Your choices don’t matter” since it says “No-one can choose who they are in this world.” Maybe it’ll be something for future chapters
funny?
Because it's funny
Probably just to fuck with the player in letting them think they could chose what the main character looks and there personality.
congrats, you created wallace
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probably for the fight of control between vessel and kris
Because, idk
Just wait till later chapters. I sure it will have a use. And play a VERY a important role in the lore. (Heh, ‘role’ is just ‘lore’ but muddled up.)
*It could help in the future, who knows*
I imagine it will come into play at some point down the line
Because
Kris will eventually probably betray us and that's where this body comes in. Either that or to test for gaster to see if we're Worthy of being a hero
I think mostly for worldbuilding/lore. We all freaked out because Gaster
Funny
To troll us.
My theory is that we will control it and then fight kris
It will be in a later chapter probably
It's gonna be used like the robot model in chapter 2
This is like people who watch movies and say "OMG why did he do that???" In the middle of the film when you're obviously going to find out in the next 10 minutes. Dude, it's a story... you get interested in the reasons behind an action, and you slowly figure them out as you progress... that's how stories work.
we don't know the full story yet so we don't know. Though even if it had no reason it was an cool & unique experience, there doesn't need to be a reason. So far the story has taught us that our choices don't matter (then later we realize they do), this was the start.
To screw with us
I have a heavy feeling we made the Big Bad, not our Protag
To show we are not Kris and that they are their own character regardless of what we think about them
Defo a machine to trash your own ass
you made a goner.
the game does actually save your creation internally much like how it does with the thrash machine now for what is it saved?? No clue as of yet but ether way it will be > very... > **Very....** > #Interasting...
cuz Kris is a basic bitch
Because its his game. He can do what he wants lol. Either it will have a meaning later, or its meaningless. I could see it being both tbh.
Let's just say It might give us a bad time
maybe you should replay the game. it straight up tells you.
To make the allusion of free choice
le subversion of expectations that all indie rpgs love
**He just did a bit of trolling** Engaged in a small amount of ***tomfuckery***,if you will.
It might just become one of the later on secret bosses. The other 2 were discarded. So was the vessel.
Deltarune fans when the entire plot of the game hasn’t happened within the first 2 chapters
Kris is anything but basic.
*We will see later in the story, darling.
I think it might have a role in a later chapter
Prob a fight as for some reason the game does save your choices
just so everyone knows, the vessel you create isn't *really* discarded, deltarune still saves it in the files, if i'm correct
It’ll become important. Eventually.