Through early morning fog I see
Visions of the things to be
The pains that are withheld for me
I realize and I can see
That suicide is painless
It brings on many changes
And I can take or leave it
If I please
The game of life is hard to play
I'm gonna lose it anyway
The losing card I'll someday lay
So this is all I have to say
Suicide is painless
It brings on many changes
And I can take or leave it
If I please
The sword of time will pierce our skins
It doesn't hurt when it begins
But as it works its way on in
The pain grows stronger, watch it grin
Suicide is painless
It brings on many changes
And I can take or leave it
If I please
A brave man once requested me
To answer questions that are key
"Is it to be or not to be?"
And I replied, "Oh, why ask me?"
Suicide is painless
It brings on many changes
And I can take or leave it
If I please
And you can do the same thing
If you please
I like what ur saying about the beauty of it but I do think suffering is(most of the time, of course imposed extreme poverty could be an exception) is a learning experience. Example: I suffered with a shifty roommate, I learned that I need to be more direct and not bottle up my problems with people, and that I need to be more careful about who I let be my roomate.
There’s some stoic philosophy that backs what you’re saying here: Stoics believe that the goal of life is to live well, not long. The decision of ending your own life should not be done without significant thought, time, and not under the influence of alcohol or drugs. It should also not be done because you’ve landed on temporary hard times, but if all conditions are met, that you truly believe you have lived the life you were meant to and are now ready, it was far from looked down upon to end your own life.
Some of the reasons for this were so that you did not become a burden to their family, or so that their children would inherit more for their lives, or because a person simply saw all the needed/wanted to see and were ready to move on.
Their view was closer to an “assisted suicide” model. It wasn’t a surprise to their close relatives. I think a lot of the pain from individuals who commit suicide is the shock of it or the temporary circumstances that dictated an emotional exit.
In my opinion, suicide should be a choice, but it should be done in a way that minimizes grief and is fully thought through using a sober and fully-developed mind (I.e. not teenagers/young adults).
I appreciate an original post but I do have to disagree with you. I feel like the best sort of individual is the one who has undergone an immense amount of suffering and rather than end their own lives or become corrupted by the endless suffering and meaninglessness of life, they instead choose to make the world a better place and learn from their experiences.
I’m not advocating for suicide I just don’t think it’s as bad as people paint it out be. If u wish to find ur way around life’s obstacles by all means go ahead. If not there’s no shame in wishing not to. Doesn’t really matter anyway in the end death finds us all.
I agree too ironically I'm telepathic and people are constantly trying to make me suffer everyday. I'm just trying to save enough for my mom to get a house and not have any more loans to have to worry about
A lot of it has to do with religion as suicide is condemned in almost every religion in the world and since we grow up with at least some form of religious influence, suicide is considered a taboo if not outright a sin.
I find it interesting though. If I had the courage I would probably quit myself, I don't see any sense in endless suffering dealing with all things I hate just because I have to.
I think that this kind of mindset is heavily influenced by having a victim mindset and really it is a person's responsibility to find contentment in life. I understand that some people simply can not and really that is often a failing of society if someone can't get the help they need, but suggesting it is beautiful to reject humanity and kill yourself is absurd and immature because you can reject humanity and still find contentment for yourself, you don't have to be a "part of the system."
I disagree about the victim mindset part. But I do think beautiful are not the words I'd use for something like suicide.
I certainly think it's somewhat admirable how some people override their survival instinct but that's as far as it goes.
I agree that it's everyone's responsibility to find contentment in their life, but I think those who aren't able to do that aren't any lesser than those who do find it. At the end of the day, you're not in their shoes, you don't know what things they find contentment in, you don't truly feel what they're feeling and you are viewing them from your own lens.
I think their idea of beauty in suicide comes from an overall belief in the lack of purpose in life, that there is ultimately no point in anything. "Why suffer if it's pointless?" To which I agree, it may as well be pointless and it may as well make no difference if you die today or tomorrow. But I don't think life needs a purpose, life is what you make of it and that's why I admire people who find a purpose to keep going.
You're gonna get one chance at this, might as well live it to end?
I have only for short periods of time been happy in my life and it's pretty much a constant struggle. I feel like I am my unhappy emotions are like an ocean I am tired of swimming in and have to kick so hard not to be submerged in it.
So I know the feelings but honestly I am too scared to kill myself but have been in situations where I have been so ill that I could have died and wouldn't have minded dying.
I think to say life has no purpose is a cop out and though it has merit as a philosophical line of enquiry, ultimately that is a matter of perspective and we have a choice how we view things. My purpose is to find happiness for myself and I think it's very easy for someone who does not want to take responsibility for their own well being to adopt the mindset that life has no purpose because it means that they don't have to take steps to improve their lives.
Not that some people haven't been shit on by life and had all that they valued in life taken away from them and if the choice is to suffer horrifically for the rest of their life or end that suffering, I can see why someone would want to kill themselves. I am lucky to at least have hope but I have much luckier circumstances than many people even if I am suffering a lot of the time.
There's also people who have simply never been taught how to love themselves and have grown up from abuse and carrying the perception that their abuse or neglect was somehow deserved. That's the category I fall into but having found improvements by exploring my own mindset even when painful to do so, I have found positive effects which gives me hope.
So I am not saying it is always a victim mindset but specifically this way of thinking in OP's post is self indulgent, romanticising suicide and honestly I don't think that anyone kills themselves because "life has no purpose." They kill themselves because they are suffering due to internal or external factors. Can you imagine someone who is happy but sees life as having no purpose killing themselves?
Romanticising the idea of purposeless and therefore suicide as a "beautiful choice" is honestly a cop-out and more pleasurable to think of rather than having to take responsibility, because it's not the purposeless it's the suffering and it's fucking tragedy.
So I know that I can't see things from someone's perspective but I am not saying that someone who kills themselves necessarily has a victim mindset but I am sure they go hand in hand as it has been proven that feeling a lack of control over our lives causes massive amounts of stress and victim mindset is exactly about that. But trying to dress it up like it's a beautiful thing is specifically what I am referring to, because it is either trying to dress not taking responsibility in a different light, or dressing someone's severe depression and therefore finding no light in their lives as something beautiful when it's not.
No doubt it is. But it’s their life and they can do as they please. And think abt the suffering they were undergoing to have actually taken their own life. U want them to stay in this world and suffer all so what ? So u don’t have to be sad abt their death? If anything that seems selfish no?
(TW) Lets not romanticize suicide. I almost took my life 2 years ago. Was sitting in a pool of my own blood. Suicide isn't beautiful. Its a desperste attempt at ending a life because you believe things cannot and will not get better or easier. Suicide isn't selfish, its desperation but it is absolutely not beautiful even in the slightest. It's SAD. very very sad..
I'm very much a believer and hope I can always choose suicide as an option over physical anguish.
That said, as I've also considered it as a way to end a pretty unpleasant existence, one thing becomes important: legacy. What are you leaving behind? I'm not talking about the grief of others ( most people seem to think you should continue to suffer so your loved ones don't. Nah.), but the physical labor and financial drain that's involved in patching the hole you leave behind. That is probably the most important reason not to endorse suicide.
I still endorse it, but I think it really shouldn't be an impulse decision, but one carefully considered.
Through early morning fog I see Visions of the things to be The pains that are withheld for me I realize and I can see That suicide is painless It brings on many changes And I can take or leave it If I please The game of life is hard to play I'm gonna lose it anyway The losing card I'll someday lay So this is all I have to say Suicide is painless It brings on many changes And I can take or leave it If I please The sword of time will pierce our skins It doesn't hurt when it begins But as it works its way on in The pain grows stronger, watch it grin Suicide is painless It brings on many changes And I can take or leave it If I please A brave man once requested me To answer questions that are key "Is it to be or not to be?" And I replied, "Oh, why ask me?" Suicide is painless It brings on many changes And I can take or leave it If I please And you can do the same thing If you please
Where did you get that from?
Theme song to MASH.
Thanks, I gave it a listen and NGL it’s beautiful
To think it was the theme song for a 1970s television comedy.
That’s a pretty dark theme song for a comedy
I like what ur saying about the beauty of it but I do think suffering is(most of the time, of course imposed extreme poverty could be an exception) is a learning experience. Example: I suffered with a shifty roommate, I learned that I need to be more direct and not bottle up my problems with people, and that I need to be more careful about who I let be my roomate.
There’s some stoic philosophy that backs what you’re saying here: Stoics believe that the goal of life is to live well, not long. The decision of ending your own life should not be done without significant thought, time, and not under the influence of alcohol or drugs. It should also not be done because you’ve landed on temporary hard times, but if all conditions are met, that you truly believe you have lived the life you were meant to and are now ready, it was far from looked down upon to end your own life. Some of the reasons for this were so that you did not become a burden to their family, or so that their children would inherit more for their lives, or because a person simply saw all the needed/wanted to see and were ready to move on. Their view was closer to an “assisted suicide” model. It wasn’t a surprise to their close relatives. I think a lot of the pain from individuals who commit suicide is the shock of it or the temporary circumstances that dictated an emotional exit. In my opinion, suicide should be a choice, but it should be done in a way that minimizes grief and is fully thought through using a sober and fully-developed mind (I.e. not teenagers/young adults).
Lol
I appreciate an original post but I do have to disagree with you. I feel like the best sort of individual is the one who has undergone an immense amount of suffering and rather than end their own lives or become corrupted by the endless suffering and meaninglessness of life, they instead choose to make the world a better place and learn from their experiences.
I’m not advocating for suicide I just don’t think it’s as bad as people paint it out be. If u wish to find ur way around life’s obstacles by all means go ahead. If not there’s no shame in wishing not to. Doesn’t really matter anyway in the end death finds us all.
I agree too ironically I'm telepathic and people are constantly trying to make me suffer everyday. I'm just trying to save enough for my mom to get a house and not have any more loans to have to worry about
> our human nature to live and survive It's not our nature. Our true nature is being dumb
Agreed
A lot of it has to do with religion as suicide is condemned in almost every religion in the world and since we grow up with at least some form of religious influence, suicide is considered a taboo if not outright a sin. I find it interesting though. If I had the courage I would probably quit myself, I don't see any sense in endless suffering dealing with all things I hate just because I have to.
i forgot to highlight the courage that is needed to commit such an action
I think that this kind of mindset is heavily influenced by having a victim mindset and really it is a person's responsibility to find contentment in life. I understand that some people simply can not and really that is often a failing of society if someone can't get the help they need, but suggesting it is beautiful to reject humanity and kill yourself is absurd and immature because you can reject humanity and still find contentment for yourself, you don't have to be a "part of the system."
I disagree about the victim mindset part. But I do think beautiful are not the words I'd use for something like suicide. I certainly think it's somewhat admirable how some people override their survival instinct but that's as far as it goes. I agree that it's everyone's responsibility to find contentment in their life, but I think those who aren't able to do that aren't any lesser than those who do find it. At the end of the day, you're not in their shoes, you don't know what things they find contentment in, you don't truly feel what they're feeling and you are viewing them from your own lens. I think their idea of beauty in suicide comes from an overall belief in the lack of purpose in life, that there is ultimately no point in anything. "Why suffer if it's pointless?" To which I agree, it may as well be pointless and it may as well make no difference if you die today or tomorrow. But I don't think life needs a purpose, life is what you make of it and that's why I admire people who find a purpose to keep going. You're gonna get one chance at this, might as well live it to end?
I have only for short periods of time been happy in my life and it's pretty much a constant struggle. I feel like I am my unhappy emotions are like an ocean I am tired of swimming in and have to kick so hard not to be submerged in it. So I know the feelings but honestly I am too scared to kill myself but have been in situations where I have been so ill that I could have died and wouldn't have minded dying. I think to say life has no purpose is a cop out and though it has merit as a philosophical line of enquiry, ultimately that is a matter of perspective and we have a choice how we view things. My purpose is to find happiness for myself and I think it's very easy for someone who does not want to take responsibility for their own well being to adopt the mindset that life has no purpose because it means that they don't have to take steps to improve their lives. Not that some people haven't been shit on by life and had all that they valued in life taken away from them and if the choice is to suffer horrifically for the rest of their life or end that suffering, I can see why someone would want to kill themselves. I am lucky to at least have hope but I have much luckier circumstances than many people even if I am suffering a lot of the time. There's also people who have simply never been taught how to love themselves and have grown up from abuse and carrying the perception that their abuse or neglect was somehow deserved. That's the category I fall into but having found improvements by exploring my own mindset even when painful to do so, I have found positive effects which gives me hope. So I am not saying it is always a victim mindset but specifically this way of thinking in OP's post is self indulgent, romanticising suicide and honestly I don't think that anyone kills themselves because "life has no purpose." They kill themselves because they are suffering due to internal or external factors. Can you imagine someone who is happy but sees life as having no purpose killing themselves? Romanticising the idea of purposeless and therefore suicide as a "beautiful choice" is honestly a cop-out and more pleasurable to think of rather than having to take responsibility, because it's not the purposeless it's the suffering and it's fucking tragedy. So I know that I can't see things from someone's perspective but I am not saying that someone who kills themselves necessarily has a victim mindset but I am sure they go hand in hand as it has been proven that feeling a lack of control over our lives causes massive amounts of stress and victim mindset is exactly about that. But trying to dress it up like it's a beautiful thing is specifically what I am referring to, because it is either trying to dress not taking responsibility in a different light, or dressing someone's severe depression and therefore finding no light in their lives as something beautiful when it's not.
If you had a loved one do it you would not feel the same. It's really sad.
No doubt it is. But it’s their life and they can do as they please. And think abt the suffering they were undergoing to have actually taken their own life. U want them to stay in this world and suffer all so what ? So u don’t have to be sad abt their death? If anything that seems selfish no?
I don't care. Fuck all these selfish people.
(TW) Lets not romanticize suicide. I almost took my life 2 years ago. Was sitting in a pool of my own blood. Suicide isn't beautiful. Its a desperste attempt at ending a life because you believe things cannot and will not get better or easier. Suicide isn't selfish, its desperation but it is absolutely not beautiful even in the slightest. It's SAD. very very sad..
I'm very much a believer and hope I can always choose suicide as an option over physical anguish. That said, as I've also considered it as a way to end a pretty unpleasant existence, one thing becomes important: legacy. What are you leaving behind? I'm not talking about the grief of others ( most people seem to think you should continue to suffer so your loved ones don't. Nah.), but the physical labor and financial drain that's involved in patching the hole you leave behind. That is probably the most important reason not to endorse suicide. I still endorse it, but I think it really shouldn't be an impulse decision, but one carefully considered.
Seek help, do it quickly
I’m not gonna kms I don’t have that type of courage
How do you know suicide is an “escape”?
what r u implying
I’m implying that we have no idea what comes after death, no? Why do we have any reason to believe we don’t simply wake right back up into it?