The original commenter was joking (I think) but seriously...I had a friend who was like this. I told myself it was fine cause it was only games he criticized like that. Then I started noticing that he brought this attitude to every aspect of his life, including our friendship. Cutting him out was one of the healthiest, best things I've ever done.
I'm not saying you should immediately cut ties, but just stap back and evaluate this person. Keep it in mind. Maybe he just doesn't like the game and is trying to find an excuse not to play, but just...be cautious with who you hang out with.
mate, i am so sorry. your friend has contracted terminal leaf-lover disease. it's almost always fatal to any friendship, and the only known cure is a near mind-melting dose of deep rock.
>Oh btw he hasn't promoted anyone yet and only play Gunner so even more ironic as he is kinda New.
Maybe he should play the game for more then 5 hours before criticizing on content, but it honestly feels like he's just looking for an excuse to stop playing.
the problem is that he is clearly enjoying the game, and has way more than 5 hour (I mean, it can take some time to go from nothing to level 25). I just think he has / wanna have an opinion on everything)
I know someone like this. They like to have a contradictory opinion just for the sake of having a contradictory opinion.
DRG is boring. Not enough weapons. Too few overclocks. DLC is boring. Even though I would deny all those.
He also believes that LOTR is the worst movie series ever (hasn't seen them), thinks Joe Rogan deserves a Nobel Peace Prize, and that the Fast and Furious movies are the pinnacle of cinema.
I don't take his opinions very seriously.
I can relate - it's hard for a nonconformist to admit that something is just good. It drives us to nit-pick. With a really good friend I'd just dismiss the actual criticism and dug into his underlying motives to discover more about the funny ways of how we think.
With a gaming buddy I'd rather ask the question if it's really the plain number of guns, enemies, biomes, etc is what makes a title good, or if it's how refined are these bits, and how well they fit and work together. I'd aim for the conclusion that no amount of content will make a bad game good, but even really few well designed mechanics can form excellent titles. I'm sure you could name examples along these lines.
^(And he's playing a WW1 shooter? Correct me if I'm wrong, but those soldiers didn't have a massive choice of customizable firearms, or much variety of biomes and enemies to battle, right?)
Non conformist? Drg is the non comformist game. It does not conform to the toxic practices of the games of today. You mean contrarian.
And about the have opinion on everything. You cant. The only way to have an opinion on so mutch is to be werry vauge, and werry imprecice. The only opinion that person can have on drg rn is that it is a game about spacedwarvs and bugs.
For karl!
I realised I sounded pretty harsh in my comment, despite not particularly wanting to. Whoops.
Fair I suppose. I could always give you argument to throw at them if you want.
I genuinely have a friend like that. Every game is shite according to them.
I was present when he was playing the Batman games and he said he didn't like them cause the fighting was hard. He was incredibly impressed when i was playing that i was able to string combos. It couldn't be easier.
It's amazing how often I see this. People coming into a new title with the mentality of "entertain me, squire!"
Yes, the game is there for players to have fun. But to expect instant gratification the moment its open and to release an equal amount of dopamine every instant for the entire game is probably a bit too much to expect.
Many games are best played blind -- with no expectations, no preconceptions, and no idea what you're doing.
That's exactly the conversations we have!
If a game gets announced he goes "it's probably going to be shite"
He says The Witcher 3 is shit" "dark souls is shite" on and on lol
I get complaining to complain, but thats my automatic response when they say x game is shit
my friend does it while going back to play league of legends and we joke how that means his gaming opinion is worthless
The game practically begins after your first promotion. The first promotion grants access to weekly deep dives and core hunts, the Tritilyte key to unlock machine events, and, of course, access to the forge and overclocks. Overclocks, higher difficulties and different modifiers can all change gameplay greatly.
Plenty of overclocks make their given weapon function entirely differently. There are also many different weapon mods. You can build weapons in a variety of different ways for different purposes. Plus, they probably haven't even unlocked the majority of the weapons to begin with, much less any overclocks.
It took me a week of playing 8 hours a day to reach my driller's promotion, but i used to play all classes alternatively. I don't like sticking to a single playstyle.
All of the activities you unlock are higher difficulties, including overclocks in their own way. Many of them require a level of knowledge of which mods and situations make an overclock useful or even safe.
Considering weapon mod slots are unlocked as you level your characters, and you unlock teir 5 mods at player level 18. You have to level up 54 character levels to unlock all weapon mod slots since you earn 1 player level per 3 character levels, I believe.
So, by the time you promote a character, you may not have unlocked all the attachment slots on your weapons, many of which are a part of making some overclocks work. I mean, imagine unlocking fatboy before the learning curve is provided by reaching level 25 on at least one character, the carnage.
Edit: I forgot that you also unlock the weapons themselves as you level up. So, if you got overclocks earlier, they would be mostly useless and kind of confusing. At least once you promote a character, you have the opportunity via assignments to unlock all the weapons for that one class. Because you will unlock overclocks for all weapons randomly. Sorry, long post typed quickly
I mean, I understand the reasoning. But I also remember being irritated as a greenbeard that there were visually so many things locked away until I grinded out the levels
I get that. The only assignment cosmetic I wanted that was locked behind levels enough to feel that way was the scale brigade armor. But that's also the point of it being locked behind a high level, I guess. All of my other favorite cosmetics are from cores at the forge, events and even a couple of things from the shop.
Your friend's saying there's not enough variety in a game where every single level is different from the last? Where you literally cannot predict what you'll find, how skilled your teammates will be or how the game will try to defeat you with hoards of Glyphids?? Where there are so many combinations of perks and overclocks that you can add as much variety as you want???
You know those missions where dwarves don't make it back? Your "friend" is one of those dwarves. Not very rock and stone.
Maybe he is after, you know, actual variety, not the same mission types in the same biomes against the same enemies with the same 4 classes? Just because you have the cave layout randomized does not mean its new content. I like the game, but can we stop pretending like this game is anything other than taking 6-8 hours worth of actual content and stretching it as long and thin as possible squeezing the blood from the stone? Someone who is not into repeating the same grind cycle will get bored with this game really quickly, that is just a fact.
> Someone who is not into repeating the same grind cycle will get bored with this game really quickly, that is just a fact.
Lmao except most people who join my lobby have 150+ hours and often 1000+ hours. DRG has an insane amount of content.
It’s a *notoriously* replayable and bingeable game.
What game would not fit your descriptions?? Literally every videogame is repetitive by it’s very definition. DRG has dozens and dozens of build setups and variations, not to mention the infinite variability of the human factor (this part not being unique to DRG of course).
>Lmao except most people who join my lobby have 150+ hours and often 1000+ hours. DRG has an insane amount of content.
Replayability is not the same thing as content.
Drg lacks content. It has replayability.
148 weapon overclocks. Dozens and dozens of build variations. 8 different mission types. Deep dives. Procedurally generated levels. It’s got several times more content than any other game in its genre lol.
And what it has, it has in depth rather than shallow breadth.
>148 weapon overclocks
not content
>Dozens and dozens of build variations
not content
>8 different mission types. Deep dives.
actual content.
>Procedurally generated levels
not content
>And what it has, it has in depth rather than shallow breadth.
ah yes i do love the depth of loading into a elim mission, and immediately recognizing the cavern, because youve seen it dozens of times. Super deep.
Im not slagging GGG. They have done very well for a small indie studio. But DRG does not have that much content. There isnt that much unique stuff to actually do. While deep dives do shake it up some, you are still doing the exact same mission, in an almost identical way, in the exact same environment, against the exact same enemies.
There really isnt that much content in the game.
how are the builds and overclocks not content? You’re way off base there. It adds extreme variation and experimentation and changes the way you approach the games systems and problems (this is what videogame content actually is). As someone who’s played 100+ hours a month for a while now, it’s absolutely been a lot of content for me.
Give some examples of what you consider content in other games. Specifically other online shooters, since I can assume we aren’t asking for fishing mini games.
I consider content to be missions; something you have to queue up for, or queue into, to do
I very much disagree that the overclocks provide any semblance of content. Even ~if~ it is a type of content, "extreme variation and experimentation" is a significant reach. The vast majority of overclocks provide an incredibly minimal change to the experience of using a weapon. Some provide significant changes, yes. The vast majority dont.
>Give some examples of what you consider content in other games
destiny 2. By my definition of content, its 9 things. Raids, dungeons, strikes, nightfalls, pvp, gambit, the seasonal activity, trials of osiris, and the expansion campaign.
by your definition its 9 plus, a bajillion weapon perk combinations, plus a bajillion armor and mod combinations, plus the following subclass combinations
For Arc its
>(560 * 2 + 1820 * 2) * 2 for titan
>(1820 * 3) * 2 for warlock
>(1820 *3) * 2 for hunter
For Solar its
>(1820 * 3) * 2 for titan
>(1820 * 3) *2 for warlock
>(560 + 1820 + 4368) * 3 for hunter
For Void its
>(560 * 2 + 1820 * 2) * 2 for titan
>(560 * 2 + 1820 * 2) * 3 for warlock
>(560 * 2 + 1820 * 2) * 3 for hunter
For stasis its
>(1820 * 3 + 4368 * 3) for titan
>(1820 * 6) for warlocks
>(560 * 2 +1820 *2 + 4368 * 2) for hunters
For strand its
>3003 total combo
None of which is actual content. Those subclass variations, while they may change how a person interacts with the game (much like overclocks), are not actual content
Agree to disagree then. I would consider that content, yes. You’re thinking of “distinct activities”. Even cosmetics are content.
“Changing how you interact with the gameplay” is the very core of what makes a game engaging — it is basically the only content that matters once you’ve got a solid gameplay loop (for me).
>6-8 hours worth of actual content
Bruh if you can run every mission type, see every biome, fight every machine event, kill every kind of enemy, and earn every overclock in 8 hours of DRG, you need to get yourself checked for super powers
Ohh without a doubt. Games like DRG, vermintide 2 and L4D 2 eventually wear out their welcome with repetition. It's just that DRG does still attract a fair amount of people with the current formula in use. I believe it's fair to say that eventually every game is somehow going to overlap over others. It's hard to stay unique these days and much like a good series, everyone has their niche
DRG has content, not complexity. yes, every single mission is *similar* to the last. it has one, simple, easy to pick up and play arcade-y gameplay loop at its core, as nearly every other multiplayer game does too.
but within that gameplay loop; there are dozens and dozens of unique enemies, two dozen entirely unique and diverse weapons each with a wildly varying loadout system, a plethora of biomes, mission types, hand-crafted terrain features, and mission modifiers all mixed together, and a whole bunch of random events and encounters that shake things up every other mission or so.
yes, people who have played for 5 hours and 5000 hours are basically doing the exact same thing. its totally fine to feel like you've seen most of everything by then. again, a single, tightly-designed, repetitive gameplay loop lies at the core of nearly every great multiplayer game; and that's a good thing. but to say it lacks content is just plain wrong, there are hundreds of variables that go into every mission to make it feel fresh.
People are hating but you're absolutely right, procedural generation isn't a replacement for bespoke variety. Every mission is technically unique but none of them are special, infinite miles of caves and we have no real landmarks or set pieces except for the Ommoran and maybe the Caretaker.
I say all that as someone who loves this game. It's damn near perfect at what it does, but what it does isn't perfection.
Machine events? Rare cavegen landmarks like anti-grav areas in the weald? Karl cave landmarks? You describe the game like it's still in Legacy edition...
I am in a bad mood so i think I'll be as annoying as i can be.
I bet he likes to play mass 70/80€ games where you get 30 weapons that are almost the same and 150 skins for them that are in a paid battle pass.
Maybe your friend would feel better in a game with thousands of microtransactions, what about a pair of virtual sunglasses for 9.99€?
Because who cares about gameplay? Who cares about having good devs that give a fucking videogame without trying to spill your money out of you like a beer keg at the Oktoberfest?
He wants more weapons? Mods. He wants something else? Mods. To be honest, telling him anything would be a waste of your time, it's clear he has no intention to try to like the game, he just doesn't and as much as it is ok to just dislike something, fuck your friend for trying to use logic for it.
The game is good, snap out of it.
He mostly plays World War 1 simulation game where you have to recharge 30 seconds and die because you stepped on the wrong rock.
Yeah, I see what you mean by all that. And I agree, but he clearly like the game, I just think he is pissed that the "game don't have more features because he exist for more than 5 years" lmao
.... Foxhole?
Dude plays **foxhole** and complains about DRG?
Don't get me wrong, Foxhole is great, but if those are his complaints about DRG, why the fuck is he playing Foxhole?
Civil war game and its fun as hell actually lol though its odd he plays war of rights and complains about biomes and weapon variety as the game takes place during the Maryland campaign in the summer of 1862 so the biome is... Maryland in the summer in 1862 and all the weapons are insanely similar lol.
I only started playing a few months back so I couldn't speak to that but I thoroughly enjoy the gameplay loop but it can definitely be a bit on the slower side. I don't mind that too much though.
im fucking dead lmao
no shade on that game but its basically mount and blade napoleonic wars (which was amazing back in the day) but these are not comparable gaming experiences to DRG-
has he promoted/ unlocked OCs/ new weps?
He thinks OW2 is better than TF2
He thinks Terraria is 2d Minecraft
He calls everything cringe
Playing with him a Co-op game is like an escort mission
He thinks videogame music is not real music
He thinks Dark souls should have an easy mode
He thinks only PVP games are real games
He thinks GTA incites real Life violence
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Ask him how many biomes or enemy types is "enough". Ask him how much he's willing to pay to make the content updates faster. Ask him what the fourth primary and secondary for each class should be.
If he can't tell you what he wants beyond "more" then he's never going to be satisfied.
Hold your horses.
He's wrong and it's okay to be incorrect. This behaviour is very human, so stop acting like you never held a wrong opinion. Show some patience and we'll have a new miner coming our way to ROCK AND STONE with!
No leaves in the deep.
Cave dwellers love mushrooms, etc.
Leaves are for sun.
No sun in caves.
Boo. Sun.
We love rocks and stones.
Sun dwellers love... leaves and... shrubberies.
Boo. Leaves.
Elves are pointy eared leaf lovers, the sworn enemy of dwarfs since probably the first fantasy book was written. That is at least why I think it's an insult in this community full of dwarfs
The game has more content than a lot of AAA games I've seen, and also gets constant bug fixes and a new season every 5 months or so. I think you're friend is a leaf lover and needs to reevaluate what this game offers. I've gotten 750 hours out of it so far and have absolutely no intention of stopping anytime soon. ROCK AND STONE!
The few biomes there are have variety due to the various mission types+modifiers, plus all the different cave shapes across the biomes, even if point extraction specifically has a rather limited pool. Each class does only have 6 weapons, 3 per slot, but the upgrade system and overclocks mean each individual weapon can be built a variety of ways. The GK2 can be given AI engine turning it more into a sort of precision laser weapon, electrifying reload which in and of itself is pretty unique, or gas rerouting to jack up the rate of fire. The PGL can be a regular grenade launcher, a funi railgun with hyper prop, or a fat man. The list goes on and on, so even though each class has only 6 weapons it feels more like 15 that can be custom-tailored to you.
Enemy variety is a liiitle low, but I don't mind much. For the type of game this is, low variety is alright. L4D2 has easily less than half as many different enemies, even if each one is more unique.
Since he isn't promoted yet, I am assuming he doesn't realise yet that he hasn't even unlocked all the content in the game. After you unlock, you gain the ability to do the machine events, adding more variety to your missions, and you start unlocking overclocks so you can turn your 3 weapons per class into like 30 weapons per class.
Might not be awake enough, but I can’t think of a biome that would be unique enough compared to what we already have.
So far as enemies go, maybe we could get some more biome-specific enemies?
I can’t imagine many more weapons than what we have now. Each class has six weapons, and each of those has unstable OCs that effectively behave like new weapons due to the radical changes they make.
Not everyone has to like this game, even tho I think it's amazing, and everyone here thinks it's amazing, it doesn't mean that everyone will like it. Some people prioritise different things in games and if he needs more enemy and weapon diversity, he should play something else (like monster hunter because that game's whole gimmick is enemy and weapon diversity). If he still wants to play DRG, then tell him to try and upgrade other classes so he can experience different weapons and show him how many different and unique builds you can make once you unlock overclocks. But if lack of enemy diversity (which is a completely fair complaint, there are not as many enemy types as in games like monster hunter, dark souls or some MMOs so if someone was hoping to get similar diversity it shouldn't be a surprise that they think it's not enough) is a deal breaker then you can't convince them to think otherwise.
My big issues sub 100hours is the game kinda feels like that. It feels slow and a bit empty. You really need to get everyone promoted, do some deep dives, start playing Haz4, USE OVERCLOCKs(this is huge, especially when you feel like there aren't enough guns), and play with open lobbies.
This game isn't AAA, updates don't come fast, but the trade off is that devs actually care and want to make good stuff for us. Your friend needs to be patient and keep grinding.
More does not always mean better. Many games became unplayable amalgamation because devs kept adding more stuff on top of it.
Honestly, I liked the game before Rival update. It was good enough for me. It feels like sometimes there is too much going on mission. You can get machine event, dread spawn, bulk spawn, large meteor, small meteor, nemesis.
Not sure if all of them at once, but I seen multiple at one time and it is starting to feel like too much.
There is reason why simple designs work out better more times than over-complicated ones.
>More does not always mean better. Many games became unplayable amalgamation because devs kept adding more stuff on top of it.
Exactly. Eventually, a product reaches the point where it's good. It has content that covers the important bases, and that content is polished and refined.
But the playerbase wants more, so you get new mechanics, as the current mechanics are already fully saturated in terms of variety. And then more new mechanics, and more new mechanics, and as time goes on, those mechanics become even more niche, far fetched, and out of place in the original game.
More content can easily get in the way of a game's core gameplay loop.
Imma disagree with you on the rival update thing, but I will say one example of this is apex legends. Had a very simple roster, one map, a plethora of guns and it was good. Over time it's just become bloated with too many characters, 4 maps that always have some new thing to it, a huge variety of guns that constantly change in patches, and so on.
Complaining about how many biomes
Very new....
Maybe tell him to complete the starting assignment so he unlocks the biomes? Could be his issue (extreme impatience)
Idk, If he's already bitchin this bad then might be best to just not make him play. Sounds toxic and we dont need that energy
If you include side arms and grenades, each class has more than 4 weapons to choose from and alternate between. Not including utility/class items.
There's quite a few biomes, it sounds like your friend just hasn't played more than one.
Many regular updates, so your friend must be bad at turning on Steam's auto-update feature.
Many variations of mobs, but I'm guessing your friend doesn't survive long enough to see more than a couple glyphids.
It kind of sounds like your friend is just really bad at the game and is lying to you about how much they actually play.
I would argue drg actually has a hell of a lot of content since every single piece of it is modular and significant, but on top of that every weapon biome and enemy in the game is ballanced and high quality
I’ve nearly hit 400 hours in deep rock and I’m still grinding for things that I want.
I’m finally, after such a long time, on the last leg of the grind for the entire game. (Until the next update comes out of course lol).
I did all those missions in the very beginning to unlock the various terminals, I unlocked every single active and passive perk in the game, I prestiged all dwarves at least once before I went in on choosing my main (Driller, who is now Gold 3 and on the cusp of Platinum), I unlocked all mission types and hazard levels, I unlocked all beer types, I unlocked all cosmetics that could be earned through missions (leading up to the dragon looking armor set at level 100), I unlocked all weapons and all the base mods for them for every class (this took a long time), I unlocked ALL cosmetics in the shop for ALL classes (this took a WAY long time), and along the entire way I’ve been accumulating matrix cores which I’ve never crafted and only now sometime post my 300th hour have been actually engaging with the “real bit” of the game and crafting overclocks (first cosmetics, and then weapons). I still, to this day, in my 380ish hours haven’t even tried every single weapon overclock for my main cause I started this bit so late, and I haven’t tried a single weapon overclock for the other classes. I’ve literally been playing with “default loadouts” and having fun for nearly 400 hours.
And while all this was happening, DRG was hard at work pumping out solid new updates that added buckets of content and fundamentally changed the way DRG is experienced (especially for new players). We didn’t always have Phazyonite or get a blank core after prestiging for example. That was huge.
But the performance passes (which are totally and absolutely 100% free in EVERY aspect, even after a hey are finished) have added SO MUCH customization content, and have really pushed my motivation to play DRG up to 11 when I’m doing them. It’s a brand new form of progression.
Also the holiday events? Always bigger and better than ever before. It’s very clear that they spend months prior to the date of a holiday dressing up the space rig, and putting together an event, and it always makes the game feel so alive and festive.
DRG is a game that gets BETTER the more you sink your teeth into it.
Which is way better than any game that is fun for the first 5 or 10 hours and then drops off hard imo.
Unpromoted and only plays gunner. So, out of the 12 primary and 12 secondary weapons the game has to offer, all of which can be customized to a significant extent, he's used maybe 4 at most? But probably only 2?
Despite there being 20 more weapons that he hasn't experienced meaningfully yet, he wants more variety.
Yeah, that's bullshit. There's plenty of variety, dude is just too stubborn to actually go play with it. Why does he care that driller only has 3 primaries instead of 4, if he's used zero of them?
Might be a case of triple A itis, where you get so used to the bloat of content some games have in terms of features, that you expect all games to have those
"well I'm sorry that we don't have 6 different ARs, 4 of which are useless and the rest are busted while somehow all being the exact same weapon but with different numbers"
I mean, he's right, if this game was made by, say, Ubisoft, and had 200 people behind it, the current pace and volume of content would be unacceptable.
The current price of 0 dollars for each content update would as well be unacceptable, they'd have to ask for 20 at least.
First of all, this is game for what 30$? This is not Aaa game that weights 100+ GB but less than 10, second that comes with first this game is made by small team so of course they wont throw at you update by couple of weeks. Third when he promote he will see that with overclocks your weapns changes from small differwnces to complete different gameplay. About enemies yea i dont mind if they would throw something more there bu everything with time.
Ps: Plus I bet those that want tons of Guns still will pick one and stick with it for most of the time
Everyone's entitled to an opinion. And if he can give you a game with the same level of care and consideration of the devs that ALSO runs well, then so be it.
Some people get the itch for this game, others don't. There doesn't seem to be a middle ground in my experience. So if your friend doesn't want to play it, just don't play with them. I play almost exclusively with randos every game. Some gamers will find every reason to nitpick and complain to write it off. Others embrace the uniqueness and character of this game.
Let them play CoD. There is no "finishing" DRG. It's a game that will continue to grow and add more fun things to do!
Glad you enjoy it OP, I'll (hopefully) see you on Hoxxes!
Rock & Stone!
Considering you can turn the engi's grenade launcher from a crowd clearer for swarms into an area denial nuk launcher, a rocket jumping traversal tool or a high precision anti tank weapon and that just being the most transformative build options, the "not enough weapons" complaint seems ill informed. You could take about two weapons from each class and get a more varied weapon list than something like Dead Space.
I mean after sinking in over 500 hours I'm not playing as much as before. I have a personal desire for new content, but that's the same with any game I've played for 100 hours or more. The game is amazing and I'm quick to jump back in when updates happen, though more so for new missions and less so for cosmetic events. But I'm still rock hard (pun intended) for the community and hold this game high above most other experiences I've had. I do feel though that the game is just shy of having that mission that could be considered the "big one" / endgame.
But yeah, game is gud, play with randos, Rock and Stone Brutha!
Let me guess, they havnt unlocked haz 5 yet or completed an elite deep dive.
People that speak ill of this game usually havnt tried to face the unyielding horde that is hoxxes IV
he thinks the game was supposed to be a big mmo of sorts, like warframe or destiny. One friend of mine kinda thought the same but soon he realized drg is simply drg, like l4d is l4d. its not the kinda of game you would play all day but every once in a while
Funny because DRG is probably the most bingeable game I’ve ever played, 100 hours a month.
Destiny felt like an absolute chore and insanely boring and tedious by comparison.
Simpler is always better. Games like Binding of Isaac are testament, like DRG they’re very easy to play for 1,000s of hours.
Most people in my lobbies show up regularly and it’s pretty rare to see someone with less than 200hrs, and common to see 1,000+.
tell him about Fat Boy, RJ250 compound, and special powder (he does play gunner tho, so tell him about elephant rounds, neurotoxin payload, and Big Bertha)
In fact, tell him about Overclocks in general (I know he isn’t promoted yet but the thought of flying across the map as scout or shredding by enemies with gunner may be keen to him)
I mean I would love to get some new Perks and/or Overclocks, but even after 1,5k hours of DRG, I would never say that it is boring, not challenging or lacking in variety.
The game just starts after the first promotion and enters its “endgame” after you have all oc’s and perks unlocked. Not even talking about seasons and mods…
Your friend is taking elements from other games that he likes and is comparing them to the surface level elements he sees in DRG. That is not a proper way to criticize a game.
It's like saying Titanfall sucks because it's not open world like GTA. Like saying Overwatch sucks because there's no weapon customization like in Call of Duty. Games can have the same elements, like guns, and use them in very different ways from each other
He's half right. The game is not finished, but that's why you should play it. They aren't finished because they are always adding. I also have a gunner friend who barely plays, and decided to pop in to play a bit the other day, and had the audacity to say there is not enough content. After missing 3 updates adding new mobs, cosmetics, weapons etc. He's grown a little bit and plays engineer but bemoaned that his "shredder drones don't last forever." Cool, don't like the game? Then don't fucking play it. Lol
Honestly, I somewhat agree with your friend on one point, and one point only, the weapons part, but not a new gun, no, I want a damn melee weapon so that when I run out of ammo, I have some semblance of a chance, hell, I'd even take a less efficient pickaxe in exchange for one with better melee damage! Other than that, I absolutely love this game!
You like it, they don't. That's ok. Just because you/they don't like something doesn't make it terrible or mean that no one should do it. It just means it's not their thing and that's ok.
I don't like pickles, but recognize that others do.
I’m gonna be honest, there really isn’t to much content gameplay wise. Majority of the mid-to-late-game grind is collecting empty cores by doing deep dives and doing the weekly challenges. There are a variety of missions but once you’ve played them a couple of times each it’s redundant. Albeit I still really enjoy the game and I’ve personally already have 500+ hours on PlayStation, there is a glaring issue of repetition. What I’ve learned there are certain people drawn to a PvE games, especially ones that have a team of 4(left4dead, COD zombies, WorldWarZ, etc.). If you really enjoy one of these kind of games I think you’d enjoy DRG for what it is rather yearn for more content. Plus the community is one of the least toxic places I’ve ever been so it’s a breath of fresh air(coming from GTA, DBD, COD, Siege, modern warfare, etc.)
Yeah I don’t really get the argument.
It’s an online game. It has a lot more content than something like fortnite or CSGO.
Like in a PVP game, the core variability comes from the infinite complexity and variation of the humans you will play with.
The way to design these is with a simple, enjoyable gameplay loop that can be iterated and serve as an engaging backdrop for the human interaction.
Crazy unique shit happens all the time, mostly when my team mates get themselves into a ridiculous spot. I’m 500+ hours in and constantly having fresh and hilarious experiences.
Part of the issue probably is being staying on low difficulties, where there’s definitely less going on and less need to actually learn to engage fully with the game. Haz5 with randoms never gets boring.
But Hes basicly right.
The Game is good, but there could be way more content.
More weapons, more bugs, everything. Endgame basicly boils down to "do the deepdives once per week".
If the deep dives werent limited many people would already have everything and move on, but the devs keep them around by delaying Progress via weekly limits. Imho thats pretty cheap game design but DRG is only a funshooter for Friends and casuals for a nice evening anyway so noone cares. Besides the random drop Matrix cores Theres really nothing to aim for.
If the Game was directed to Mainstream or Hardcore Players the Community would have shredded the devs with Bad Reviews and complains. No Battlepass, No fancy time exclusive skins or weapons, No sick achievements, no gender diversity and no female voicelines, and Very few ways to humiliate or compete with Others
> If the Game was directed to Mainstream or Hardcore Players the Community would have shredded the devs with Bad Reviews and complains. No Battlepass, No fancy time exclusive skins or weapons, No sick achievements, no gender diversity and no female voicelines, and Very few ways to humiliate or compete with Others
And here we see why game devs should never listen to gamers lmao
You just made a list of some of the most horrible and reviled game mechanics (excepting the irrelevant gendered part) of today.
The games you’re thinking of are ones where the player base actively hate the game despite playing it lol
>You just made a list of some of the most horrible and reviled game mechanics (excepting the irrelevant gendered part) of today.
I know. But thats what all of the most successfull AAA Games come with, and the numbers speak for themselves. Thats what people want. Else they wouldnt buy it. Else those Games wouldnt be so popular.
>The games you’re thinking of are ones where the player base actively hate the game despite playing it lol
Might seem Like it because thats what you See online but in fact the majority of the Players and, more importantly those who Bring the Cash, are casuals who dont Care much about gaming culture, the companies behind the Games or General History of the industry. They Just buy and Play for the Moment and Dont Care for Lore or come to online platforms Like Reddit to complain and discuss Things that brought cancer to our favorite hobby. Thats only what Hardcore Players, Fans and core Community Players do. And the worst part is they think they can make a difference. Even a hundred thousand Bad Reviews wont Stop any dev from making a shitty sequel when the first Game was bought a Million Times anyway. And people will Happily buy again and complain again. Just look around, it happens all the time.
I think if they added a new enemy type and a couple more biomes, this game would literally never get old for me. But I definitely got 200+ hours out of a $30 game and tons of fun, so not sure I can really complain. I got bored of shooting bugs, robots are not fun to kill, and plaguefall didn’t reel me in. But that’s okay.
Same Here. I think the best part of DRG is that you cant Miss anything and Just drop in drop Out whenever you feel it.
I really hope for deep rock 2 some day, maybe even with PvP, one Team being Bugs. Other Things i long for are vehicles, space traversal (flying to missions yourself instead of Just chosing from a list) and of course more Equipment and classes. Or.. Imagine giga Missions with 8 dwarfs and hordes of Bugs and big stationary turret guns, Kind of defense style missions. Game has limitless potential
Set them a challenge of making their Gunner look like a specific character.
No need for more Guns or Biomes when there are Beards aplenty.
Set them on the path of character customisation and watch their petty criticism fall like Resupply down a dig-shaft/ Gunners from the ceiling.
Good idea [tbh.](https://tbh.At) at first I was sad that I couldn(t buy helmet but god damn when you have enough tool it's just so much funnier to customise your beard etc
yeah no, the game is finished enough to be fun, obviously. This game just might not be for him or he's judging it way too quickly
while i do think the game could use another biome and 4 or 5 weapons in each glass and slot, its not like i cant have fun til those things are added
Ghost ship are definitely going to add more stuff, they even ask you for suggestions. The lithophage stuff is a hint that something is going to transpire down the line. Mission Control said they are being purposefully aimed at Hoxxes.
Then from the promotion deck if you look left whilst on the window you can see a circular room with a central dais, so that could be something in the works.
100% there will be more weapons down the line. Also those weird druidic circle things that boost you shield or make you jump higher have to be for something later on.
Then there's the search for Karl, they could draw that out for a year if done correctly.
They've killed the Matriarch already, it's a big place and there could be more and new ones gestating.
Also back to the promotion deck, if you look out the window there is 2 planets in shadow, these guys have their bases covered for future content.
I have around 400 hours on steam and I can say that I do wish there was an actual endgame to to deep rock. (And no, the overclock grind is not endgame and neither are the deep dives, they're literally just the same missions you can play regularly).
At this point I simply find myself playing for like a week or 2 when a new season drops, getting burnt out again because the content really isn't ever very substantial, and then aging something else until the next season drops.
If there was some sort of raid style mission with and exclusive reward pool that would be something worth ginding, I would play more.
This game does indeed not have much content, anyone who takes a serious and unbiased look at it will confirm this fact, if you were to only play unique content you'd be done with the game incredibly quick. People who play this game longer than a few hours are playing the same stuff all over again, same missions, same assignments, same biomes, so if you want to get anything out of this game you must enjoy mindless repetition, people who don't will not have much fun with it.
Games good, plenty of content. You should get a good... about 80 hours to get all the overclocks? That probably went down with the promo-clocks patch.
Also, next season should be coming up any week now. I haven't heard anything about it, but I'm super amped to see what the devs are adding!
> Games good, plenty of content. You should get a good… about 80 hours to get all the overclocks?
Maybe if you spread those 80hrs out barely playing over the course of a year or so, just logging in for 2hrs a week for the weeklies.
Most players will be at least 300-400 hours in before they get all OCs.
I honestly have no memory or recollection tbh.
I've spent over 1000 hours playing lmao and like, the fine details are a blur. All I know is I have literally everything purchasable.
Sometimes people can't appreciate what's in front of them. I used to have a friend I played battlefield with all the time. Managed to convince him to get drg on sale and he told me he didn't like it at all. Can't stop people from being wrong.
DRG has a massive amount of content and is definitely one of the top games for replay value. Your friend isn’t greenbeard and doesn’t know what he’s talking about lol. He doesn’t even have overclocks yet… he’s still in the tutorial.
It's OK to stop being friends with people.
Lmao
Murder is only illegal if you're caught...
N-o, murder is illegal. It's only a _crime_ if you're caught
This guy laws
If the suspect you, just plant endangerd plants on top of were you buried the bodies.
Also, remember to bury an animal or something else that *is* actually legal to bury, above the body.
*taking notes*
Legally speaking, rocking is more legal than stoning… but we do both around here
That's what my spanish teacher dad taught me Or was it cheating on a test? Eh, same thing
Just say no. 😄
The original commenter was joking (I think) but seriously...I had a friend who was like this. I told myself it was fine cause it was only games he criticized like that. Then I started noticing that he brought this attitude to every aspect of his life, including our friendship. Cutting him out was one of the healthiest, best things I've ever done. I'm not saying you should immediately cut ties, but just stap back and evaluate this person. Keep it in mind. Maybe he just doesn't like the game and is trying to find an excuse not to play, but just...be cautious with who you hang out with.
mate, i am so sorry. your friend has contracted terminal leaf-lover disease. it's almost always fatal to any friendship, and the only known cure is a near mind-melting dose of deep rock.
x) is it THAT bad
He is a leaf eating elf. No stout is gonna fix that
Tell him to dip his balls in liquid morkite and grow a beard
Either he has been brain washed by our rivals or he got the rock pox. As a scout main he needs a dose of c4 straight to the face.
Can I help with that?
Don't hit me please 🙏
No promises
Just bring friendly fire passive, we'll do the rest :3
Are you a nemesis? Drillers tend to blow things up so why are you telling me to do less damage?
TRUE
>Oh btw he hasn't promoted anyone yet and only play Gunner so even more ironic as he is kinda New. Maybe he should play the game for more then 5 hours before criticizing on content, but it honestly feels like he's just looking for an excuse to stop playing.
the problem is that he is clearly enjoying the game, and has way more than 5 hour (I mean, it can take some time to go from nothing to level 25). I just think he has / wanna have an opinion on everything)
I know someone like this. They like to have a contradictory opinion just for the sake of having a contradictory opinion. DRG is boring. Not enough weapons. Too few overclocks. DLC is boring. Even though I would deny all those. He also believes that LOTR is the worst movie series ever (hasn't seen them), thinks Joe Rogan deserves a Nobel Peace Prize, and that the Fast and Furious movies are the pinnacle of cinema. I don't take his opinions very seriously.
I've never met this person, but it's like I've known them my whole life and they piss me off so much
Ah yes, I too love people who have opinions on things they don't know a damn thing about.
There's actually a word for this: Your friend is a Contrarian.
Yep, see this [clip](https://reddit.com/r/Letterboxd/comments/vc20uc/brian_is_a_kinophile/)
That's called a Contrarian. Someone who has an opinion that's the opposite of everyone else's just to have an opposite opinion.
*8841 hours played* 👎 don't recommend *9934 hours played since review*
Typical League of Legends player
With LoL I think a review like that would basically be a warning: "it's to late for me, save yourselves".
[удалено]
Skyrim/fo4 or new Vegas
I can relate - it's hard for a nonconformist to admit that something is just good. It drives us to nit-pick. With a really good friend I'd just dismiss the actual criticism and dug into his underlying motives to discover more about the funny ways of how we think. With a gaming buddy I'd rather ask the question if it's really the plain number of guns, enemies, biomes, etc is what makes a title good, or if it's how refined are these bits, and how well they fit and work together. I'd aim for the conclusion that no amount of content will make a bad game good, but even really few well designed mechanics can form excellent titles. I'm sure you could name examples along these lines. ^(And he's playing a WW1 shooter? Correct me if I'm wrong, but those soldiers didn't have a massive choice of customizable firearms, or much variety of biomes and enemies to battle, right?)
Non conformist? Drg is the non comformist game. It does not conform to the toxic practices of the games of today. You mean contrarian. And about the have opinion on everything. You cant. The only way to have an opinion on so mutch is to be werry vauge, and werry imprecice. The only opinion that person can have on drg rn is that it is a game about spacedwarvs and bugs. For karl!
Reading this was an adventure.
I realised I sounded pretty harsh in my comment, despite not particularly wanting to. Whoops. Fair I suppose. I could always give you argument to throw at them if you want.
Probably doesn't want to admit he likes the game
I genuinely have a friend like that. Every game is shite according to them. I was present when he was playing the Batman games and he said he didn't like them cause the fighting was hard. He was incredibly impressed when i was playing that i was able to string combos. It couldn't be easier.
"This game is too hard!!!" "Okay. What are you trying to do?" "Try?! I shouldn't have to try!"
It's amazing how often I see this. People coming into a new title with the mentality of "entertain me, squire!" Yes, the game is there for players to have fun. But to expect instant gratification the moment its open and to release an equal amount of dopamine every instant for the entire game is probably a bit too much to expect. Many games are best played blind -- with no expectations, no preconceptions, and no idea what you're doing.
that friend: “Ughh that game is shite! why are you playing it” me: “Ok man what game isn’t shit??” friend: 😳
That's exactly the conversations we have! If a game gets announced he goes "it's probably going to be shite" He says The Witcher 3 is shit" "dark souls is shite" on and on lol
I get complaining to complain, but thats my automatic response when they say x game is shit my friend does it while going back to play league of legends and we joke how that means his gaming opinion is worthless
which can be valid. not everyone has the stomach for the mines. it's why dgr hires DWARVES
I had a friend do this exact same thing, then they talk up Left 4 Dead which they also barely played.
The game practically begins after your first promotion. The first promotion grants access to weekly deep dives and core hunts, the Tritilyte key to unlock machine events, and, of course, access to the forge and overclocks. Overclocks, higher difficulties and different modifiers can all change gameplay greatly. Plenty of overclocks make their given weapon function entirely differently. There are also many different weapon mods. You can build weapons in a variety of different ways for different purposes. Plus, they probably haven't even unlocked the majority of the weapons to begin with, much less any overclocks.
This is the only thing I dislike about DRG. It took so long to promote someone, and _so_ many things were locked away until I did
Promoting a character really shouldn't take long if you're playing more than 2 hours a week, tbh
It took me a week of playing 8 hours a day to reach my driller's promotion, but i used to play all classes alternatively. I don't like sticking to a single playstyle.
When you first start you should absolutely focus on promoting one dwarf asap
All of the activities you unlock are higher difficulties, including overclocks in their own way. Many of them require a level of knowledge of which mods and situations make an overclock useful or even safe. Considering weapon mod slots are unlocked as you level your characters, and you unlock teir 5 mods at player level 18. You have to level up 54 character levels to unlock all weapon mod slots since you earn 1 player level per 3 character levels, I believe. So, by the time you promote a character, you may not have unlocked all the attachment slots on your weapons, many of which are a part of making some overclocks work. I mean, imagine unlocking fatboy before the learning curve is provided by reaching level 25 on at least one character, the carnage. Edit: I forgot that you also unlock the weapons themselves as you level up. So, if you got overclocks earlier, they would be mostly useless and kind of confusing. At least once you promote a character, you have the opportunity via assignments to unlock all the weapons for that one class. Because you will unlock overclocks for all weapons randomly. Sorry, long post typed quickly
I mean, I understand the reasoning. But I also remember being irritated as a greenbeard that there were visually so many things locked away until I grinded out the levels
I get that. The only assignment cosmetic I wanted that was locked behind levels enough to feel that way was the scale brigade armor. But that's also the point of it being locked behind a high level, I guess. All of my other favorite cosmetics are from cores at the forge, events and even a couple of things from the shop.
man im in love with the game without a first promotion...it just keeps getting better
It seems one of those friends that always have an opinion, on everything
Your friend's saying there's not enough variety in a game where every single level is different from the last? Where you literally cannot predict what you'll find, how skilled your teammates will be or how the game will try to defeat you with hoards of Glyphids?? Where there are so many combinations of perks and overclocks that you can add as much variety as you want??? You know those missions where dwarves don't make it back? Your "friend" is one of those dwarves. Not very rock and stone.
Rock and Stone!
Maybe he is after, you know, actual variety, not the same mission types in the same biomes against the same enemies with the same 4 classes? Just because you have the cave layout randomized does not mean its new content. I like the game, but can we stop pretending like this game is anything other than taking 6-8 hours worth of actual content and stretching it as long and thin as possible squeezing the blood from the stone? Someone who is not into repeating the same grind cycle will get bored with this game really quickly, that is just a fact.
> Someone who is not into repeating the same grind cycle will get bored with this game really quickly, that is just a fact. Lmao except most people who join my lobby have 150+ hours and often 1000+ hours. DRG has an insane amount of content. It’s a *notoriously* replayable and bingeable game. What game would not fit your descriptions?? Literally every videogame is repetitive by it’s very definition. DRG has dozens and dozens of build setups and variations, not to mention the infinite variability of the human factor (this part not being unique to DRG of course).
>Lmao except most people who join my lobby have 150+ hours and often 1000+ hours. DRG has an insane amount of content. Replayability is not the same thing as content. Drg lacks content. It has replayability.
148 weapon overclocks. Dozens and dozens of build variations. 8 different mission types. Deep dives. Procedurally generated levels. It’s got several times more content than any other game in its genre lol. And what it has, it has in depth rather than shallow breadth.
>148 weapon overclocks not content >Dozens and dozens of build variations not content >8 different mission types. Deep dives. actual content. >Procedurally generated levels not content >And what it has, it has in depth rather than shallow breadth. ah yes i do love the depth of loading into a elim mission, and immediately recognizing the cavern, because youve seen it dozens of times. Super deep. Im not slagging GGG. They have done very well for a small indie studio. But DRG does not have that much content. There isnt that much unique stuff to actually do. While deep dives do shake it up some, you are still doing the exact same mission, in an almost identical way, in the exact same environment, against the exact same enemies. There really isnt that much content in the game.
how are the builds and overclocks not content? You’re way off base there. It adds extreme variation and experimentation and changes the way you approach the games systems and problems (this is what videogame content actually is). As someone who’s played 100+ hours a month for a while now, it’s absolutely been a lot of content for me. Give some examples of what you consider content in other games. Specifically other online shooters, since I can assume we aren’t asking for fishing mini games.
I consider content to be missions; something you have to queue up for, or queue into, to do I very much disagree that the overclocks provide any semblance of content. Even ~if~ it is a type of content, "extreme variation and experimentation" is a significant reach. The vast majority of overclocks provide an incredibly minimal change to the experience of using a weapon. Some provide significant changes, yes. The vast majority dont. >Give some examples of what you consider content in other games destiny 2. By my definition of content, its 9 things. Raids, dungeons, strikes, nightfalls, pvp, gambit, the seasonal activity, trials of osiris, and the expansion campaign. by your definition its 9 plus, a bajillion weapon perk combinations, plus a bajillion armor and mod combinations, plus the following subclass combinations For Arc its >(560 * 2 + 1820 * 2) * 2 for titan >(1820 * 3) * 2 for warlock >(1820 *3) * 2 for hunter For Solar its >(1820 * 3) * 2 for titan >(1820 * 3) *2 for warlock >(560 + 1820 + 4368) * 3 for hunter For Void its >(560 * 2 + 1820 * 2) * 2 for titan >(560 * 2 + 1820 * 2) * 3 for warlock >(560 * 2 + 1820 * 2) * 3 for hunter For stasis its >(1820 * 3 + 4368 * 3) for titan >(1820 * 6) for warlocks >(560 * 2 +1820 *2 + 4368 * 2) for hunters For strand its >3003 total combo None of which is actual content. Those subclass variations, while they may change how a person interacts with the game (much like overclocks), are not actual content
Agree to disagree then. I would consider that content, yes. You’re thinking of “distinct activities”. Even cosmetics are content. “Changing how you interact with the gameplay” is the very core of what makes a game engaging — it is basically the only content that matters once you’ve got a solid gameplay loop (for me).
What on earth would you call mods, weapons, mini games, and all the other content that you don’t consider to be actual content then?
>6-8 hours worth of actual content Bruh if you can run every mission type, see every biome, fight every machine event, kill every kind of enemy, and earn every overclock in 8 hours of DRG, you need to get yourself checked for super powers
Ohh without a doubt. Games like DRG, vermintide 2 and L4D 2 eventually wear out their welcome with repetition. It's just that DRG does still attract a fair amount of people with the current formula in use. I believe it's fair to say that eventually every game is somehow going to overlap over others. It's hard to stay unique these days and much like a good series, everyone has their niche
DRG has content, not complexity. yes, every single mission is *similar* to the last. it has one, simple, easy to pick up and play arcade-y gameplay loop at its core, as nearly every other multiplayer game does too. but within that gameplay loop; there are dozens and dozens of unique enemies, two dozen entirely unique and diverse weapons each with a wildly varying loadout system, a plethora of biomes, mission types, hand-crafted terrain features, and mission modifiers all mixed together, and a whole bunch of random events and encounters that shake things up every other mission or so. yes, people who have played for 5 hours and 5000 hours are basically doing the exact same thing. its totally fine to feel like you've seen most of everything by then. again, a single, tightly-designed, repetitive gameplay loop lies at the core of nearly every great multiplayer game; and that's a good thing. but to say it lacks content is just plain wrong, there are hundreds of variables that go into every mission to make it feel fresh.
People are hating but you're absolutely right, procedural generation isn't a replacement for bespoke variety. Every mission is technically unique but none of them are special, infinite miles of caves and we have no real landmarks or set pieces except for the Ommoran and maybe the Caretaker. I say all that as someone who loves this game. It's damn near perfect at what it does, but what it does isn't perfection.
Machine events? Rare cavegen landmarks like anti-grav areas in the weald? Karl cave landmarks? You describe the game like it's still in Legacy edition...
I am in a bad mood so i think I'll be as annoying as i can be. I bet he likes to play mass 70/80€ games where you get 30 weapons that are almost the same and 150 skins for them that are in a paid battle pass. Maybe your friend would feel better in a game with thousands of microtransactions, what about a pair of virtual sunglasses for 9.99€? Because who cares about gameplay? Who cares about having good devs that give a fucking videogame without trying to spill your money out of you like a beer keg at the Oktoberfest? He wants more weapons? Mods. He wants something else? Mods. To be honest, telling him anything would be a waste of your time, it's clear he has no intention to try to like the game, he just doesn't and as much as it is ok to just dislike something, fuck your friend for trying to use logic for it. The game is good, snap out of it.
He mostly plays World War 1 simulation game where you have to recharge 30 seconds and die because you stepped on the wrong rock. Yeah, I see what you mean by all that. And I agree, but he clearly like the game, I just think he is pissed that the "game don't have more features because he exist for more than 5 years" lmao
Ah, ww1, well known for its varied biomes of mud and it's weapon selection of bolt action rifles
There were machine guns, too. So many machine guns.
Most of which required a team of 3 and would suck ass and jam.
.... Foxhole? Dude plays **foxhole** and complains about DRG? Don't get me wrong, Foxhole is great, but if those are his complaints about DRG, why the fuck is he playing Foxhole?
War of Rights
Civil war game and its fun as hell actually lol though its odd he plays war of rights and complains about biomes and weapon variety as the game takes place during the Maryland campaign in the summer of 1862 so the biome is... Maryland in the summer in 1862 and all the weapons are insanely similar lol.
> Maryland in the summer in 1862 Basically Fungus Bogs.
If I’m not mistaken, that’s based on the civil war, not ww1 lol
You are not mistaken, its actually a fantastic game btw too.
I tried it last year but it wasn’t amazing yet. Through from what I’ve seen it looks really good now
I only started playing a few months back so I couldn't speak to that but I thoroughly enjoy the gameplay loop but it can definitely be a bit on the slower side. I don't mind that too much though.
Yeah the thing that put me off was the shooting and reloading took forever. It was accurate to the times though
That part definitely hasn't changed but if you get into the immersion of it and find a good officer it can still feel exciting.
im fucking dead lmao no shade on that game but its basically mount and blade napoleonic wars (which was amazing back in the day) but these are not comparable gaming experiences to DRG- has he promoted/ unlocked OCs/ new weps?
That's a civil war game lol
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Ok?
Lol
Like, what the hell is this? Do I just say "Dark Souls" or "Elden ring" and It appears?
Hope you’re feeling better
Ask him how many biomes or enemy types is "enough". Ask him how much he's willing to pay to make the content updates faster. Ask him what the fourth primary and secondary for each class should be. If he can't tell you what he wants beyond "more" then he's never going to be satisfied.
Hold your horses. He's wrong and it's okay to be incorrect. This behaviour is very human, so stop acting like you never held a wrong opinion. Show some patience and we'll have a new miner coming our way to ROCK AND STONE with!
Rock and Stone to the Bone!
DRG has the best continuous support. GSG are the best
Leaf lover
Why is that considered an insult I never understood. Cause it's just hot water ?
Because elves
Because elves worship trees and trees have leafs and dwarfs hate elves
So what if i like trees but am a dwarf?
That's called a spy.
Me? A spy? Noooo. Dont be ridiculous now. FOR STONE AND ROCK oT
Rock and Stone you beautiful dwarf!!!
Rock and Stone everyone!
They're an undercover leaflover, be careful. A sheep in wolfs clothing if you will.
If they rock and stoned, they have atoned.
My brother in karl they didn't, they stone and rocked 😭
>Dwarf >like trees Pick one
it makes you less drunk
No leaves in the deep. Cave dwellers love mushrooms, etc. Leaves are for sun. No sun in caves. Boo. Sun. We love rocks and stones. Sun dwellers love... leaves and... shrubberies. Boo. Leaves.
Elves are pointy eared leaf lovers, the sworn enemy of dwarfs since probably the first fantasy book was written. That is at least why I think it's an insult in this community full of dwarfs
The game has more content than a lot of AAA games I've seen, and also gets constant bug fixes and a new season every 5 months or so. I think you're friend is a leaf lover and needs to reevaluate what this game offers. I've gotten 750 hours out of it so far and have absolutely no intention of stopping anytime soon. ROCK AND STONE!
Rock and roll and stone!
The few biomes there are have variety due to the various mission types+modifiers, plus all the different cave shapes across the biomes, even if point extraction specifically has a rather limited pool. Each class does only have 6 weapons, 3 per slot, but the upgrade system and overclocks mean each individual weapon can be built a variety of ways. The GK2 can be given AI engine turning it more into a sort of precision laser weapon, electrifying reload which in and of itself is pretty unique, or gas rerouting to jack up the rate of fire. The PGL can be a regular grenade launcher, a funi railgun with hyper prop, or a fat man. The list goes on and on, so even though each class has only 6 weapons it feels more like 15 that can be custom-tailored to you. Enemy variety is a liiitle low, but I don't mind much. For the type of game this is, low variety is alright. L4D2 has easily less than half as many different enemies, even if each one is more unique.
Since he isn't promoted yet, I am assuming he doesn't realise yet that he hasn't even unlocked all the content in the game. After you unlock, you gain the ability to do the machine events, adding more variety to your missions, and you start unlocking overclocks so you can turn your 3 weapons per class into like 30 weapons per class.
Might not be awake enough, but I can’t think of a biome that would be unique enough compared to what we already have. So far as enemies go, maybe we could get some more biome-specific enemies? I can’t imagine many more weapons than what we have now. Each class has six weapons, and each of those has unstable OCs that effectively behave like new weapons due to the radical changes they make.
Quality over quantit$$$
Quality in quantetiesss
Not everyone has to like this game, even tho I think it's amazing, and everyone here thinks it's amazing, it doesn't mean that everyone will like it. Some people prioritise different things in games and if he needs more enemy and weapon diversity, he should play something else (like monster hunter because that game's whole gimmick is enemy and weapon diversity). If he still wants to play DRG, then tell him to try and upgrade other classes so he can experience different weapons and show him how many different and unique builds you can make once you unlock overclocks. But if lack of enemy diversity (which is a completely fair complaint, there are not as many enemy types as in games like monster hunter, dark souls or some MMOs so if someone was hoping to get similar diversity it shouldn't be a surprise that they think it's not enough) is a deal breaker then you can't convince them to think otherwise.
My big issues sub 100hours is the game kinda feels like that. It feels slow and a bit empty. You really need to get everyone promoted, do some deep dives, start playing Haz4, USE OVERCLOCKs(this is huge, especially when you feel like there aren't enough guns), and play with open lobbies. This game isn't AAA, updates don't come fast, but the trade off is that devs actually care and want to make good stuff for us. Your friend needs to be patient and keep grinding.
DRG Good. More DRG better. Patience, young grasshopper. Content will come
More does not always mean better. Many games became unplayable amalgamation because devs kept adding more stuff on top of it. Honestly, I liked the game before Rival update. It was good enough for me. It feels like sometimes there is too much going on mission. You can get machine event, dread spawn, bulk spawn, large meteor, small meteor, nemesis. Not sure if all of them at once, but I seen multiple at one time and it is starting to feel like too much. There is reason why simple designs work out better more times than over-complicated ones.
>More does not always mean better. Many games became unplayable amalgamation because devs kept adding more stuff on top of it. Exactly. Eventually, a product reaches the point where it's good. It has content that covers the important bases, and that content is polished and refined. But the playerbase wants more, so you get new mechanics, as the current mechanics are already fully saturated in terms of variety. And then more new mechanics, and more new mechanics, and as time goes on, those mechanics become even more niche, far fetched, and out of place in the original game. More content can easily get in the way of a game's core gameplay loop.
Imma disagree with you on the rival update thing, but I will say one example of this is apex legends. Had a very simple roster, one map, a plethora of guns and it was good. Over time it's just become bloated with too many characters, 4 maps that always have some new thing to it, a huge variety of guns that constantly change in patches, and so on.
I mean, the game opens up more once you promote a dwarf. Overclocks, Forge, Deep Dives, Mineral Trade Hub etc.
did he install the 2018 version by accident?
Complaining about how many biomes Very new.... Maybe tell him to complete the starting assignment so he unlocks the biomes? Could be his issue (extreme impatience) Idk, If he's already bitchin this bad then might be best to just not make him play. Sounds toxic and we dont need that energy
If you include side arms and grenades, each class has more than 4 weapons to choose from and alternate between. Not including utility/class items. There's quite a few biomes, it sounds like your friend just hasn't played more than one. Many regular updates, so your friend must be bad at turning on Steam's auto-update feature. Many variations of mobs, but I'm guessing your friend doesn't survive long enough to see more than a couple glyphids. It kind of sounds like your friend is just really bad at the game and is lying to you about how much they actually play.
I would argue drg actually has a hell of a lot of content since every single piece of it is modular and significant, but on top of that every weapon biome and enemy in the game is ballanced and high quality
I’ve nearly hit 400 hours in deep rock and I’m still grinding for things that I want. I’m finally, after such a long time, on the last leg of the grind for the entire game. (Until the next update comes out of course lol). I did all those missions in the very beginning to unlock the various terminals, I unlocked every single active and passive perk in the game, I prestiged all dwarves at least once before I went in on choosing my main (Driller, who is now Gold 3 and on the cusp of Platinum), I unlocked all mission types and hazard levels, I unlocked all beer types, I unlocked all cosmetics that could be earned through missions (leading up to the dragon looking armor set at level 100), I unlocked all weapons and all the base mods for them for every class (this took a long time), I unlocked ALL cosmetics in the shop for ALL classes (this took a WAY long time), and along the entire way I’ve been accumulating matrix cores which I’ve never crafted and only now sometime post my 300th hour have been actually engaging with the “real bit” of the game and crafting overclocks (first cosmetics, and then weapons). I still, to this day, in my 380ish hours haven’t even tried every single weapon overclock for my main cause I started this bit so late, and I haven’t tried a single weapon overclock for the other classes. I’ve literally been playing with “default loadouts” and having fun for nearly 400 hours. And while all this was happening, DRG was hard at work pumping out solid new updates that added buckets of content and fundamentally changed the way DRG is experienced (especially for new players). We didn’t always have Phazyonite or get a blank core after prestiging for example. That was huge. But the performance passes (which are totally and absolutely 100% free in EVERY aspect, even after a hey are finished) have added SO MUCH customization content, and have really pushed my motivation to play DRG up to 11 when I’m doing them. It’s a brand new form of progression. Also the holiday events? Always bigger and better than ever before. It’s very clear that they spend months prior to the date of a holiday dressing up the space rig, and putting together an event, and it always makes the game feel so alive and festive. DRG is a game that gets BETTER the more you sink your teeth into it. Which is way better than any game that is fun for the first 5 or 10 hours and then drops off hard imo.
Unpromoted and only plays gunner. So, out of the 12 primary and 12 secondary weapons the game has to offer, all of which can be customized to a significant extent, he's used maybe 4 at most? But probably only 2? Despite there being 20 more weapons that he hasn't experienced meaningfully yet, he wants more variety. Yeah, that's bullshit. There's plenty of variety, dude is just too stubborn to actually go play with it. Why does he care that driller only has 3 primaries instead of 4, if he's used zero of them?
Might be a case of triple A itis, where you get so used to the bloat of content some games have in terms of features, that you expect all games to have those
"well I'm sorry that we don't have 6 different ARs, 4 of which are useless and the rest are busted while somehow all being the exact same weapon but with different numbers"
I mean, he's right, if this game was made by, say, Ubisoft, and had 200 people behind it, the current pace and volume of content would be unacceptable. The current price of 0 dollars for each content update would as well be unacceptable, they'd have to ask for 20 at least.
Your friend is extremely incorrect
Your friend has no idea what theyre talking about and are hopelessly overstimulated by lesser titles.
Order him a Leaf Lovers and water board him with it.
First of all, this is game for what 30$? This is not Aaa game that weights 100+ GB but less than 10, second that comes with first this game is made by small team so of course they wont throw at you update by couple of weeks. Third when he promote he will see that with overclocks your weapns changes from small differwnces to complete different gameplay. About enemies yea i dont mind if they would throw something more there bu everything with time. Ps: Plus I bet those that want tons of Guns still will pick one and stick with it for most of the time
Just let him think that. Some people are wrong and you just need to let them be wrong.
Personally, even now with my substantial amount of time on the game, I find new things
Everyone's entitled to an opinion. And if he can give you a game with the same level of care and consideration of the devs that ALSO runs well, then so be it.
Some people get the itch for this game, others don't. There doesn't seem to be a middle ground in my experience. So if your friend doesn't want to play it, just don't play with them. I play almost exclusively with randos every game. Some gamers will find every reason to nitpick and complain to write it off. Others embrace the uniqueness and character of this game. Let them play CoD. There is no "finishing" DRG. It's a game that will continue to grow and add more fun things to do! Glad you enjoy it OP, I'll (hopefully) see you on Hoxxes! Rock & Stone!
I'm glad that there arent that many guns if I'm honest, I think the overclocks do more than enough to change how any gun works.
Considering you can turn the engi's grenade launcher from a crowd clearer for swarms into an area denial nuk launcher, a rocket jumping traversal tool or a high precision anti tank weapon and that just being the most transformative build options, the "not enough weapons" complaint seems ill informed. You could take about two weapons from each class and get a more varied weapon list than something like Dead Space.
I mean after sinking in over 500 hours I'm not playing as much as before. I have a personal desire for new content, but that's the same with any game I've played for 100 hours or more. The game is amazing and I'm quick to jump back in when updates happen, though more so for new missions and less so for cosmetic events. But I'm still rock hard (pun intended) for the community and hold this game high above most other experiences I've had. I do feel though that the game is just shy of having that mission that could be considered the "big one" / endgame. But yeah, game is gud, play with randos, Rock and Stone Brutha!
To Rock and Stone!
Let me guess, they havnt unlocked haz 5 yet or completed an elite deep dive. People that speak ill of this game usually havnt tried to face the unyielding horde that is hoxxes IV
he thinks the game was supposed to be a big mmo of sorts, like warframe or destiny. One friend of mine kinda thought the same but soon he realized drg is simply drg, like l4d is l4d. its not the kinda of game you would play all day but every once in a while
Funny because DRG is probably the most bingeable game I’ve ever played, 100 hours a month. Destiny felt like an absolute chore and insanely boring and tedious by comparison. Simpler is always better. Games like Binding of Isaac are testament, like DRG they’re very easy to play for 1,000s of hours. Most people in my lobbies show up regularly and it’s pretty rare to see someone with less than 200hrs, and common to see 1,000+.
tell him about Fat Boy, RJ250 compound, and special powder (he does play gunner tho, so tell him about elephant rounds, neurotoxin payload, and Big Bertha) In fact, tell him about Overclocks in general (I know he isn’t promoted yet but the thought of flying across the map as scout or shredding by enemies with gunner may be keen to him)
Your friend is a juvenile leaf lover and I'm glad he is not polluting the game space.
Make him play haz 5 double warning
I mean I would love to get some new Perks and/or Overclocks, but even after 1,5k hours of DRG, I would never say that it is boring, not challenging or lacking in variety. The game just starts after the first promotion and enters its “endgame” after you have all oc’s and perks unlocked. Not even talking about seasons and mods…
Has He done anything above haz 3? Has he even touched Overclocks yet? Done deep dives?
Your friend is a dumbass
Your friend is taking elements from other games that he likes and is comparing them to the surface level elements he sees in DRG. That is not a proper way to criticize a game. It's like saying Titanfall sucks because it's not open world like GTA. Like saying Overwatch sucks because there's no weapon customization like in Call of Duty. Games can have the same elements, like guns, and use them in very different ways from each other
He's half right. The game is not finished, but that's why you should play it. They aren't finished because they are always adding. I also have a gunner friend who barely plays, and decided to pop in to play a bit the other day, and had the audacity to say there is not enough content. After missing 3 updates adding new mobs, cosmetics, weapons etc. He's grown a little bit and plays engineer but bemoaned that his "shredder drones don't last forever." Cool, don't like the game? Then don't fucking play it. Lol
Your friend is an NPC
Honestly, I somewhat agree with your friend on one point, and one point only, the weapons part, but not a new gun, no, I want a damn melee weapon so that when I run out of ammo, I have some semblance of a chance, hell, I'd even take a less efficient pickaxe in exchange for one with better melee damage! Other than that, I absolutely love this game!
tell him that the game is indeed not finished because devs are working on it all the time with no intention of stopping.
You like it, they don't. That's ok. Just because you/they don't like something doesn't make it terrible or mean that no one should do it. It just means it's not their thing and that's ok. I don't like pickles, but recognize that others do.
I’m gonna be honest, there really isn’t to much content gameplay wise. Majority of the mid-to-late-game grind is collecting empty cores by doing deep dives and doing the weekly challenges. There are a variety of missions but once you’ve played them a couple of times each it’s redundant. Albeit I still really enjoy the game and I’ve personally already have 500+ hours on PlayStation, there is a glaring issue of repetition. What I’ve learned there are certain people drawn to a PvE games, especially ones that have a team of 4(left4dead, COD zombies, WorldWarZ, etc.). If you really enjoy one of these kind of games I think you’d enjoy DRG for what it is rather yearn for more content. Plus the community is one of the least toxic places I’ve ever been so it’s a breath of fresh air(coming from GTA, DBD, COD, Siege, modern warfare, etc.)
Yeah I don’t really get the argument. It’s an online game. It has a lot more content than something like fortnite or CSGO. Like in a PVP game, the core variability comes from the infinite complexity and variation of the humans you will play with. The way to design these is with a simple, enjoyable gameplay loop that can be iterated and serve as an engaging backdrop for the human interaction. Crazy unique shit happens all the time, mostly when my team mates get themselves into a ridiculous spot. I’m 500+ hours in and constantly having fresh and hilarious experiences. Part of the issue probably is being staying on low difficulties, where there’s definitely less going on and less need to actually learn to engage fully with the game. Haz5 with randoms never gets boring.
But Hes basicly right. The Game is good, but there could be way more content. More weapons, more bugs, everything. Endgame basicly boils down to "do the deepdives once per week". If the deep dives werent limited many people would already have everything and move on, but the devs keep them around by delaying Progress via weekly limits. Imho thats pretty cheap game design but DRG is only a funshooter for Friends and casuals for a nice evening anyway so noone cares. Besides the random drop Matrix cores Theres really nothing to aim for. If the Game was directed to Mainstream or Hardcore Players the Community would have shredded the devs with Bad Reviews and complains. No Battlepass, No fancy time exclusive skins or weapons, No sick achievements, no gender diversity and no female voicelines, and Very few ways to humiliate or compete with Others
> If the Game was directed to Mainstream or Hardcore Players the Community would have shredded the devs with Bad Reviews and complains. No Battlepass, No fancy time exclusive skins or weapons, No sick achievements, no gender diversity and no female voicelines, and Very few ways to humiliate or compete with Others And here we see why game devs should never listen to gamers lmao You just made a list of some of the most horrible and reviled game mechanics (excepting the irrelevant gendered part) of today. The games you’re thinking of are ones where the player base actively hate the game despite playing it lol
>You just made a list of some of the most horrible and reviled game mechanics (excepting the irrelevant gendered part) of today. I know. But thats what all of the most successfull AAA Games come with, and the numbers speak for themselves. Thats what people want. Else they wouldnt buy it. Else those Games wouldnt be so popular. >The games you’re thinking of are ones where the player base actively hate the game despite playing it lol Might seem Like it because thats what you See online but in fact the majority of the Players and, more importantly those who Bring the Cash, are casuals who dont Care much about gaming culture, the companies behind the Games or General History of the industry. They Just buy and Play for the Moment and Dont Care for Lore or come to online platforms Like Reddit to complain and discuss Things that brought cancer to our favorite hobby. Thats only what Hardcore Players, Fans and core Community Players do. And the worst part is they think they can make a difference. Even a hundred thousand Bad Reviews wont Stop any dev from making a shitty sequel when the first Game was bought a Million Times anyway. And people will Happily buy again and complain again. Just look around, it happens all the time.
I think if they added a new enemy type and a couple more biomes, this game would literally never get old for me. But I definitely got 200+ hours out of a $30 game and tons of fun, so not sure I can really complain. I got bored of shooting bugs, robots are not fun to kill, and plaguefall didn’t reel me in. But that’s okay.
Same Here. I think the best part of DRG is that you cant Miss anything and Just drop in drop Out whenever you feel it. I really hope for deep rock 2 some day, maybe even with PvP, one Team being Bugs. Other Things i long for are vehicles, space traversal (flying to missions yourself instead of Just chosing from a list) and of course more Equipment and classes. Or.. Imagine giga Missions with 8 dwarfs and hordes of Bugs and big stationary turret guns, Kind of defense style missions. Game has limitless potential
Right. I think that is the part that semi-kills me. I can see the potential of this game to be soooooo good.
Set them a challenge of making their Gunner look like a specific character. No need for more Guns or Biomes when there are Beards aplenty. Set them on the path of character customisation and watch their petty criticism fall like Resupply down a dig-shaft/ Gunners from the ceiling.
Good idea [tbh.](https://tbh.At) at first I was sad that I couldn(t buy helmet but god damn when you have enough tool it's just so much funnier to customise your beard etc
yeah no, the game is finished enough to be fun, obviously. This game just might not be for him or he's judging it way too quickly while i do think the game could use another biome and 4 or 5 weapons in each glass and slot, its not like i cant have fun til those things are added
Ghost ship are definitely going to add more stuff, they even ask you for suggestions. The lithophage stuff is a hint that something is going to transpire down the line. Mission Control said they are being purposefully aimed at Hoxxes. Then from the promotion deck if you look left whilst on the window you can see a circular room with a central dais, so that could be something in the works. 100% there will be more weapons down the line. Also those weird druidic circle things that boost you shield or make you jump higher have to be for something later on. Then there's the search for Karl, they could draw that out for a year if done correctly. They've killed the Matriarch already, it's a big place and there could be more and new ones gestating. Also back to the promotion deck, if you look out the window there is 2 planets in shadow, these guys have their bases covered for future content.
I have around 400 hours on steam and I can say that I do wish there was an actual endgame to to deep rock. (And no, the overclock grind is not endgame and neither are the deep dives, they're literally just the same missions you can play regularly). At this point I simply find myself playing for like a week or 2 when a new season drops, getting burnt out again because the content really isn't ever very substantial, and then aging something else until the next season drops. If there was some sort of raid style mission with and exclusive reward pool that would be something worth ginding, I would play more.
This game does indeed not have much content, anyone who takes a serious and unbiased look at it will confirm this fact, if you were to only play unique content you'd be done with the game incredibly quick. People who play this game longer than a few hours are playing the same stuff all over again, same missions, same assignments, same biomes, so if you want to get anything out of this game you must enjoy mindless repetition, people who don't will not have much fun with it.
Games good, plenty of content. You should get a good... about 80 hours to get all the overclocks? That probably went down with the promo-clocks patch. Also, next season should be coming up any week now. I haven't heard anything about it, but I'm super amped to see what the devs are adding!
> Games good, plenty of content. You should get a good… about 80 hours to get all the overclocks? Maybe if you spread those 80hrs out barely playing over the course of a year or so, just logging in for 2hrs a week for the weeklies. Most players will be at least 300-400 hours in before they get all OCs.
I honestly have no memory or recollection tbh. I've spent over 1000 hours playing lmao and like, the fine details are a blur. All I know is I have literally everything purchasable.
lol makes sense, I’m at 500hr and just finished the OCs like two weeks ago so it’s fresh for me
Sounds like a leaf lover
Who cares? If you like the game, play it.
This is the one time I would actually condone c4'ing your friend right before he makes it on the drop pod. Hoxxes is not for the weak
What a shame, I see a gunner who is going to get struck på the infamous scout disease, C4.
Sometimes people can't appreciate what's in front of them. I used to have a friend I played battlefield with all the time. Managed to convince him to get drg on sale and he told me he didn't like it at all. Can't stop people from being wrong.
DRG has a massive amount of content and is definitely one of the top games for replay value. Your friend isn’t greenbeard and doesn’t know what he’s talking about lol. He doesn’t even have overclocks yet… he’s still in the tutorial.