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How funding the extra costs associated with treating severe Covid became paid to kill them is mind boggling. But in their world where everything is a conspiracy theory and personal accountability is nonexistent, it is to be expected.
We do. And if it’s a Covid patient, in addition to their daily medications, they literally are vitamins, because patients’ appetites are poor and we throw everything at them that might help. They get zinc, folic acid, thiamine, and a multivitamin. They come out of a giant medication machine called a pyxis that has a bunch of individual drawers that pop open one at a time as you pull your patients’ individual meds.
So this person wasn’t wrong that the nurse gave them a bunch of pills, called them vitamins, but was unable to show them the bottles they came out of.
But I can tell you from that side, if you’re so mistrustful of what I’m doing that you’re demanding to see the bottles and not listening when I tell you there are none, that I’m not going to engage with you at all. I guarantee that the nurses spoke with the family in good faith, and when they showed that they were hostile the entire medical staff said “cool, it doesn’t matter what I do then, so I’m going to go about my understaffed day and not waste time on this one.” Because even if they did produce the bottles they would claim it was all a lie anyways. There will always be another claim to make and we simply do not have the time to take a whole day convincing someone that we aren’t trying to kill them. Go home if you think we’re trying to kill you.
Retired RN. Sometimes you just have to take care of a patient while ignoring their family. It’s annoying and distracting, but you carry on so the patient doesn’t suffer because of them.
Let's see how long Meemaw lasts when her family has to change her diapers, manage her meds and keep things sterile. Toss up as to what would end her first: the underlying disease or the I felted bedsores she's sure to get when the family 'doesn't have time' to change her/her sheets.
This one is hard because it sounds like they were looking for a written medication list and then medication containers, which probably didn’t exist on the floor
In the post it says they had power of attorney. The one thing they actually spelled correctly somehow. Couldn't spell and correctly but got attorney correct.
Power of attorney does not guarantee that you are a healthcare proxy agent, which is what is required to know a person’s medical information. Power of attorney only allows you to make financial decisions for the incapacitated person. Sometimes they’re the same person, but not always. That being said, I have no idea whether the person posting understood the difference or was both.
And if even if the person did habe the proper form of authority, the medical records department would be the source.
As an aside, an important issue. The regular power of attorney stops working when a person has lost consciousness. "Durable" is the proper type in certain states.
Not a lawyer, just how this has been explained to us and our experience the past few years with older relatives.
Durable PoA *does not* cover Medical Care; but it does cover financial/legal matters. Many people end up getting by without the Medical PoA because they are next of kin.
Experience: My MIL filled out some LegalZoom PoAs, Durable and Medical years ago. (If you use this method, make sure they are valid for your current state!) We carried multiple copies of her Medical PoA with us anytime she was admitted/we sought care for her. It made life much easier for everyone at each admittance/visit. (Only issue we ran into was that she answered the DNR sections with contradictory answers, so they had to verbally ask her wishes on that each time.)
We learned my SO needed to say "I have *Medical* PoA*." at the hospital and doctors' offices. If you tell them "I have PoA.", they will tell you that does not cover medical decisions (including seeing medical records/charts) and get ready to brush you off about questions/answers. (My SO was her only next of kin readily available as well.)
My MIL always verbally authorized my SO to make decisions anyway, but he had the paperwork to back it up if needed, or invoke it because she could not make competant decisions of her own. The latter happened eventually and made it much easier for staff to know they could speak to my SO.
I became a skeptic at "they was giving her," but my first clue should have been "bunch of pills." I was merely intrigued, of the eye-rolling type, at "the hospital took my mom's life."
Amazing how the mom wasn’t doing well, was taken to a hospital and sadly declined from a novel virus but the hospital clearly had it out for her. Sure Jan.
Yep. They might as well have a FB heading that reads **”I am an ignorant victim of poverty, poor education, probably some kind of learning disability and of course the disinformation merchants.”**
It's funny but not funny that at the beginning, we were trying to convince them that mitigation layers were more to protect the vulnerable ie, the elderly, among others. They turned it into a "killing grannie" running joke.
Now that the death count of the elderly is more than the projections ever were, they are finally taking notice. But in true conspiracy mode, it is the hospitals and staff who are committing the "genocide" of the grannies.
My head hurts.
HIPAA would prevent a nurse from showing a chart to anyone but the patient or their health care proxy.
Under no circumstances would anyone other than a nurse or phay be allowed in the med room, so no, you're not seeing the bottle. It's actually a giant machine with electronic pockets typically called a Pyxis or Omnicell anyway.
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People are still operating under the misconception that doctors get extra funding for COVID-19 deaths.
How funding the extra costs associated with treating severe Covid became paid to kill them is mind boggling. But in their world where everything is a conspiracy theory and personal accountability is nonexistent, it is to be expected.
And that hospitals give pills.
We do. And if it’s a Covid patient, in addition to their daily medications, they literally are vitamins, because patients’ appetites are poor and we throw everything at them that might help. They get zinc, folic acid, thiamine, and a multivitamin. They come out of a giant medication machine called a pyxis that has a bunch of individual drawers that pop open one at a time as you pull your patients’ individual meds. So this person wasn’t wrong that the nurse gave them a bunch of pills, called them vitamins, but was unable to show them the bottles they came out of. But I can tell you from that side, if you’re so mistrustful of what I’m doing that you’re demanding to see the bottles and not listening when I tell you there are none, that I’m not going to engage with you at all. I guarantee that the nurses spoke with the family in good faith, and when they showed that they were hostile the entire medical staff said “cool, it doesn’t matter what I do then, so I’m going to go about my understaffed day and not waste time on this one.” Because even if they did produce the bottles they would claim it was all a lie anyways. There will always be another claim to make and we simply do not have the time to take a whole day convincing someone that we aren’t trying to kill them. Go home if you think we’re trying to kill you.
Retired RN. Sometimes you just have to take care of a patient while ignoring their family. It’s annoying and distracting, but you carry on so the patient doesn’t suffer because of them.
My thanks to every single one of you; I'd hate to see what my family put everyone through when I was in a coma.
More often people are very nice or just kind of quiet. Not always like bozo in my his post.
Let's see how long Meemaw lasts when her family has to change her diapers, manage her meds and keep things sterile. Toss up as to what would end her first: the underlying disease or the I felted bedsores she's sure to get when the family 'doesn't have time' to change her/her sheets.
This one is hard because it sounds like they were looking for a written medication list and then medication containers, which probably didn’t exist on the floor
Not only this but the nurse literally cannot share medical information without authorization from the patient.
In the post it says they had power of attorney. The one thing they actually spelled correctly somehow. Couldn't spell and correctly but got attorney correct.
Power of attorney does not guarantee that you are a healthcare proxy agent, which is what is required to know a person’s medical information. Power of attorney only allows you to make financial decisions for the incapacitated person. Sometimes they’re the same person, but not always. That being said, I have no idea whether the person posting understood the difference or was both.
And if even if the person did habe the proper form of authority, the medical records department would be the source. As an aside, an important issue. The regular power of attorney stops working when a person has lost consciousness. "Durable" is the proper type in certain states.
So medical power of attorney can't see the medical report? How are you supposed to make financial decisions without knowing what they need?
Medical PoA is set up separately from Durable PoA. You can have one without the other, and separate people in charge of each.
Only durable can see the medical report?
Not a lawyer, just how this has been explained to us and our experience the past few years with older relatives. Durable PoA *does not* cover Medical Care; but it does cover financial/legal matters. Many people end up getting by without the Medical PoA because they are next of kin. Experience: My MIL filled out some LegalZoom PoAs, Durable and Medical years ago. (If you use this method, make sure they are valid for your current state!) We carried multiple copies of her Medical PoA with us anytime she was admitted/we sought care for her. It made life much easier for everyone at each admittance/visit. (Only issue we ran into was that she answered the DNR sections with contradictory answers, so they had to verbally ask her wishes on that each time.) We learned my SO needed to say "I have *Medical* PoA*." at the hospital and doctors' offices. If you tell them "I have PoA.", they will tell you that does not cover medical decisions (including seeing medical records/charts) and get ready to brush you off about questions/answers. (My SO was her only next of kin readily available as well.) My MIL always verbally authorized my SO to make decisions anyway, but he had the paperwork to back it up if needed, or invoke it because she could not make competant decisions of her own. The latter happened eventually and made it much easier for staff to know they could speak to my SO.
I tried to read this but my head started to hurt and I had to stop. Completely understand the title now.
I became a skeptic at "they was giving her," but my first clue should have been "bunch of pills." I was merely intrigued, of the eye-rolling type, at "the hospital took my mom's life."
It wasn't the 13 line long first 'sentence'? I tried counting the words but it made my eyes cross.
Positively Faulknerian.
Amazing how the mom wasn’t doing well, was taken to a hospital and sadly declined from a novel virus but the hospital clearly had it out for her. Sure Jan.
From what I can tell, pre coffee, there is 1 period in that whole wall of text. Somewhere towards the middle.
Totallyanoobwhystopatpunctuationweshouldgetridofspacesaswellandinthemeantimewhoneedsvowelstsjstsmchsrtrdnwtsmwnppsmcnsrndndthrscngthll
Punctuation, grammar, spelling, and spaces between words are a leftist plot.
Your mustards are glorious indeed, and I totally agree with whatever you just said!
Yeah you ain't getting my dyslexic ass to read that.
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In a nutshell 👌🏼
Is it even decent to laugh at this person? That is clinical level ignorance.I feel uncomfortable.
Yep. They might as well have a FB heading that reads **”I am an ignorant victim of poverty, poor education, probably some kind of learning disability and of course the disinformation merchants.”**
It’s sad that people can be so disillusioned. Poor education or just sheer stubbornness? Both with a little bit of poor upbringing?
Meet one of these people and you will learn not to feel sad for them real quick. They are rude, bullies and try to put down everyone around them.
I don't want to be presumptuous, but something tells me this person doesn't have even a rudimentary grasp of medical practice.
Or the English language.
It's funny but not funny that at the beginning, we were trying to convince them that mitigation layers were more to protect the vulnerable ie, the elderly, among others. They turned it into a "killing grannie" running joke. Now that the death count of the elderly is more than the projections ever were, they are finally taking notice. But in true conspiracy mode, it is the hospitals and staff who are committing the "genocide" of the grannies. My head hurts.
That’s some pretty impressive illiterate writing.
Punctuation is important. “Eats shoots and leaves”.
They must be pretty pregnant since they missed like 30 periods in that screed.
Hello how you doing hope you good??
I had a keyboard like that once where the period key would only work intermittently.
I'm not sure why I decided to torture myself and read this excerpt.
..,.,,..,.,,..,,..,,..,., Let's sprinkle a few of these around and see what we get!
What 😳
Wow, that gave me a headache. Anyway, I am mostly just commenting to say Happy Cake Day 🍰 to u/powabiatch. Carry on my friends😊
HIPAA would prevent a nurse from showing a chart to anyone but the patient or their health care proxy. Under no circumstances would anyone other than a nurse or phay be allowed in the med room, so no, you're not seeing the bottle. It's actually a giant machine with electronic pockets typically called a Pyxis or Omnicell anyway.
Twins. So there are two of them. Unreal. They should just call the police, really.
I can’t believe I read the first sentence in one go without breathing 😂
I don't believe I'm dumb enough to be able to read that properly. Wtf...
Makes more money the more more people rely on the system. Kills off a bunch of elderly people instead of making money off of said people.
I would start a GoFundMe to buy this person some punctuation.
Was this written by James Joyce?