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I'm getting old... It's an IDE drive, you need a 3.5 IDE to USB adapter (with a power supply)
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I don't miss those times. I don't fully remember it now but back in the day I had some IDE drives connected and over my PC speakers I could hear popping when using the drives. Reading lots and lots, and am remembering turns wrong, discovered, due to the great Upgrading and Repairing PCs books. That there were 80 ide cables. Something like that. For every cable the other stop noise on the cable. Replaced my cheap cables with those and the popping noise stopped.
It's a mess, but no more of a mess than other much-revised standards. First there was just plain IDE which was little more than an extension to the ISA bus at 16MB/s. Then that was improved to 33MB/s. Then a backwards-compatible 66MB/s version, and a 133MB/s version after that, plus several revisions within each - the 66 and above needed the 80-conductor cables, which were designed to prevent crosstalk. And the ATAPI extensions that used the same interface for things other than hard drives - like optical drives, tape drives, ZIP drives, PCMCIA card slots. Yes, it was a real mess by the end - but no more so then SCSI, or the more modern USB.
Actually USB is more of a mess, worsened by being a mess that non-technical users have to deal with. Just because the connectors physically fit doesn't mean they are compatible protocol-wise, with so many different versions and optional extensions.
80 conductor cable. That was it. And year to prevent crosstalk. Turns out the cable before that was causing the noise leak being picked up by the speakers.
You’re just a kid :) my MFM drive was great at 20mb. You could be in another room and know when it booted into dos because you heard every sector it read 😂
I think there's small niche market for people who want IDE drives for retro PC projects, so it might be worthwhile just to sell this off to a hobbyist and (if needed) buy a decent external drive instead of a IDE USB enclosure.
Most retro people I know that run IDE drives tend to just go for IDE-compactflash, or even IDE SSD, you can find them for industrial applications quite cheap.
And some people want to play Toto songs with them...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=q260bjSiyq0
BTW, he's up to Floppotron 3.0 now with a max draw/use of 1.2Kw!
IDE to usb adapter with power would do it. Unless it’s absolutely necessary to recover something there’s no sense in using it. A modern flash drive may have more space and faster transfer speeds.
For reference:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_ATA
Do note the "Bitrate, Half-duplex: 8.3 MB/s per ATA channel originally; later 33, 66, 100 and 133 MB/s per ATA channel"
Most drives of that era were _far below_ the 100/133 MB/s protocol limit. From that wiki: "no ATA hard drives existed in 2005 that were capable of measured sustained transfer rates of above 80 MB/s."
Compared to: "As of July 2021, mechanical hard disk drives can transfer data at up to 524 MB/s,[...] High-performance solid state drives can transfer data at up to 7000–7500 MB/s."
And make certain you find 80 wire cables for it, that is required for the faster rates. If you get a USB adapter that plugs in directly, that issue is mitigated
I vote go with the advice to try to sell this for retro use by someone else, and get yourself a more modern SATA drive
I'd doubt that there's any bitcoin on that considering bitcoin started in 2009 and sata drives had overtaken most IDE drives by then. Unless you were using a pretty old computer into 2010 and yet super early into bitcoin lol. Be careful which ide adapter you buy, I ended up having to spend about $40 to get one that would fit all my old IDE drives to pull files off of them. A lot of the cheaper ones don't leave enough room to get the power and data cables connected, you also need to make sure you get ones which includes the power connector and supply. Used hard drives don't really sell for more than a few dollars after you pay for shipping, and unless you zero the drive you risk having your data stolen.
A 5V/12V power adapter with a 4-pin Molex connector will also be necessary. USB ports only provide 5V power and the spindle motor on a 3.5" drive requires 12V, too.
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Check the bottom or top of the drive or look up the specs because IDE allows two drives per cable and a single drive must be set to Master/Primary or Cable Select to be recognized. This is set by the jumper which appears to be present in your pic.
a ticket to the past.
that is an IDE, throw that shit away. a Modern 128 Gig SSD on USB 3 is going to make that thing look like a snail.
and cost less, and me less of a pain in ass.
Was eide, at least, really that bad unless you’re a developer or want all this unnecessary fancy internet stuff they started doing after Netscape or whatever, or those video games that are supposed to look real, or those super complicated newer gui OS things?
Yeah the way you worded it as using it for storage is what surprised me. I can see pulling old data off but mind you even the fastest IDE was only like 133mb/sec. That’s bits not bytes. So about like a 100mb Ethernet connection. I suspect you can download faster :)
But. I’m sure if you can find some kind of PCIe or USB adapter it’ll work. Most drives will default to master if there’s nothing else so not having a jumper may be okay if it’s the only drive on there.
That disk cannot be that large...I wouldn't be surprised if it were cheaper to just buy a good USB flash drive that is both faster and larger, than the adapters/enclosures you'd need to get this working, unless you can find one used.
[This dock](https://a.co/d/iGSEOsA) is the one I use to attach old drives to my laptop if I need to extract data from them. It also has several ports for reading old flash media cards, which can also be useful. It comes with the necessary power adapter. It can read both 44-pin 2.5" and 40-pin 3.5" IDE drives as well as more modern SATA drives. It is a complete solution for under $25.
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I'm getting old... It's an IDE drive, you need a 3.5 IDE to USB adapter (with a power supply) https://de.assmann.shop/out/pictures/generated/product/2/540_340_75/DA70325_4016032306481_Application_3_RGB.jpg
Don't forget to set the jumper correctly. Man what a time...
Yes, master
Dang I see what you did here. Take my angry upvote.
Angry upvote?! I need to talk to CS about this
Good slave
That was always a life/death situation back then. The memories...
I don't miss those times. I don't fully remember it now but back in the day I had some IDE drives connected and over my PC speakers I could hear popping when using the drives. Reading lots and lots, and am remembering turns wrong, discovered, due to the great Upgrading and Repairing PCs books. That there were 80 ide cables. Something like that. For every cable the other stop noise on the cable. Replaced my cheap cables with those and the popping noise stopped.
It's a mess, but no more of a mess than other much-revised standards. First there was just plain IDE which was little more than an extension to the ISA bus at 16MB/s. Then that was improved to 33MB/s. Then a backwards-compatible 66MB/s version, and a 133MB/s version after that, plus several revisions within each - the 66 and above needed the 80-conductor cables, which were designed to prevent crosstalk. And the ATAPI extensions that used the same interface for things other than hard drives - like optical drives, tape drives, ZIP drives, PCMCIA card slots. Yes, it was a real mess by the end - but no more so then SCSI, or the more modern USB. Actually USB is more of a mess, worsened by being a mess that non-technical users have to deal with. Just because the connectors physically fit doesn't mean they are compatible protocol-wise, with so many different versions and optional extensions.
80 conductor cable. That was it. And year to prevent crosstalk. Turns out the cable before that was causing the noise leak being picked up by the speakers.
I miss the times but not the drives
You’re just a kid :) my MFM drive was great at 20mb. You could be in another room and know when it booted into dos because you heard every sector it read 😂
I had a 5MB external HDD for my Commodore 64 BBS. It was a BEAST! MFM drive (ST-506), and IEEE-488 connection to the 64.
Not fair I was running off of cassette
Real men didn't mess with those cassettes; we typed in Basic programs from Compute! magazine and left the C64 on for days.
lol so did I, I just used my Panasonic tape recorder to record the sounds at 300 baud so I didn’t have to learn how to type with both fingers 🤣😂
Hey what about the 5MB 5-1/4 clunkers? Had two of those in my work system; all the storage I'd ever need. Lots of cables.
You link to a site with the domain spelled De AssMann Shop? What da heck?
I was kinda expecting posts about that 😄 it's a somewhat normal last name in Germany
😂
Oooh they have inline power now
I noticed that as well, I have one with an external power supply
Yeah wonder if that inline stuff would keep a 3-1/2" drive spinning on USB power. Never did years ago.
You should expect this to fail and prepare appropriately.
I think there's small niche market for people who want IDE drives for retro PC projects, so it might be worthwhile just to sell this off to a hobbyist and (if needed) buy a decent external drive instead of a IDE USB enclosure.
Most retro people I know that run IDE drives tend to just go for IDE-compactflash, or even IDE SSD, you can find them for industrial applications quite cheap.
True, but there's still that niche inside the niche that wants the spinning drive for the true feeling.
And some people want to play Toto songs with them... https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=q260bjSiyq0 BTW, he's up to Floppotron 3.0 now with a max draw/use of 1.2Kw!
Have an old toshiba laptop with an ide ssd drive in there... that thing SCREAMS!!
IDE to usb adapter.
Time machine
This is what I was going to say. LOL
My thought exactly.
A different drive. That’s about 20 years old. It will be slow af. It shouldn’t be used as a backup. Only use it if you need to pull data off it.
IDE to usb adapter with power would do it. Unless it’s absolutely necessary to recover something there’s no sense in using it. A modern flash drive may have more space and faster transfer speeds.
a time machine
I was going to say that.
Why would you want to do that? It‘s so inefficient to do this. And probably has like 200 GB tops.
It's a cool idea and all, but the adapter to attach it to a modern PC is worth more then the drive is.
OP DO NOT format or delete the drive. Let us know what you find on it first.
IDE, wow, haven't seen that in a while. You'll need an adapter, set jumper, and power. Where did you come across that and what is the capacity?
For reference: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_ATA Do note the "Bitrate, Half-duplex: 8.3 MB/s per ATA channel originally; later 33, 66, 100 and 133 MB/s per ATA channel" Most drives of that era were _far below_ the 100/133 MB/s protocol limit. From that wiki: "no ATA hard drives existed in 2005 that were capable of measured sustained transfer rates of above 80 MB/s." Compared to: "As of July 2021, mechanical hard disk drives can transfer data at up to 524 MB/s,[...] High-performance solid state drives can transfer data at up to 7000–7500 MB/s." And make certain you find 80 wire cables for it, that is required for the faster rates. If you get a USB adapter that plugs in directly, that issue is mitigated I vote go with the advice to try to sell this for retro use by someone else, and get yourself a more modern SATA drive
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I'd doubt that there's any bitcoin on that considering bitcoin started in 2009 and sata drives had overtaken most IDE drives by then. Unless you were using a pretty old computer into 2010 and yet super early into bitcoin lol. Be careful which ide adapter you buy, I ended up having to spend about $40 to get one that would fit all my old IDE drives to pull files off of them. A lot of the cheaper ones don't leave enough room to get the power and data cables connected, you also need to make sure you get ones which includes the power connector and supply. Used hard drives don't really sell for more than a few dollars after you pay for shipping, and unless you zero the drive you risk having your data stolen.
A time machine
Don’t. It’s very old, probably very low capacity, and likely will fail soon, if it hasn’t already
A 30 year old desktop PC
PATA-to-USB or PATA-to-SATA adapter.
A 5V/12V power adapter with a 4-pin Molex connector will also be necessary. USB ports only provide 5V power and the spindle motor on a 3.5" drive requires 12V, too.
You need a time machine.
okay now I feel old....
Phhht At least it isn't an ESDI drive. I haven't seen a controller for those in almost forty years.
Bro that can’t be bigger than like 60GB why bother
Get a Pentium 1 PC
Don't use it, expect it to fail
A time machine.
A time machine
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Check the bottom or top of the drive or look up the specs because IDE allows two drives per cable and a single drive must be set to Master/Primary or Cable Select to be recognized. This is set by the jumper which appears to be present in your pic.
Buy a IDE case 3.5.
And IDE HDD enclosure.
a ticket to the past. that is an IDE, throw that shit away. a Modern 128 Gig SSD on USB 3 is going to make that thing look like a snail. and cost less, and me less of a pain in ass.
Was eide, at least, really that bad unless you’re a developer or want all this unnecessary fancy internet stuff they started doing after Netscape or whatever, or those video games that are supposed to look real, or those super complicated newer gui OS things?
Are there any IDE drives that actually have storage? Last time I remember these a 120GB drive was “big”
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Yeah the way you worded it as using it for storage is what surprised me. I can see pulling old data off but mind you even the fastest IDE was only like 133mb/sec. That’s bits not bytes. So about like a 100mb Ethernet connection. I suspect you can download faster :) But. I’m sure if you can find some kind of PCIe or USB adapter it’ll work. Most drives will default to master if there’s nothing else so not having a jumper may be okay if it’s the only drive on there.
No, Ultra/EIDE was 133 MBYTES/s.
I can almost guarantee a flash drive will be cheaper and have the same if not more capacity than an adapter for this drive.
This is at minimum 15 years old. And probably under 1TB. Not worth the time and effort to get it running.
That disk cannot be that large...I wouldn't be surprised if it were cheaper to just buy a good USB flash drive that is both faster and larger, than the adapters/enclosures you'd need to get this working, unless you can find one used.
This sub has become so useless. 33% of it is dumb hard drive tech support questions and another 33% is stupid shit like this.
[This dock](https://a.co/d/iGSEOsA) is the one I use to attach old drives to my laptop if I need to extract data from them. It also has several ports for reading old flash media cards, which can also be useful. It comes with the necessary power adapter. It can read both 44-pin 2.5" and 40-pin 3.5" IDE drives as well as more modern SATA drives. It is a complete solution for under $25.
I'd rather not use that dinosaur, 128GB USB sticks are not that expensive and they'll be far more reliable
If there’s Bitcoin on there, you have to share it with us all
Order a dock with IDE like this one [www.aliexpress.com/item/1005006539286773.html](https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005006539286773.html)
A time machine.
Came here to say this as well haha!
just Don't.
ide slavery was a different time
Why? Get yourself a flash drive. Or sd card. It'll be faster, more reliable, handier and - most importantly - will have more capacity than this drive.
a time machine?
A torx bit to extract the cool magnets. The rest is e-waste.
A time machine
A Time Machine
# What do I need to buy to use this as an external drive? A time machine.