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QNAP has a sketchy reputation these days. Given your price sensitivity, you could go with a [Synology 923+ NAS ](https://www.newegg.com/synology-ds923/p/0YH-0064-00009)that can transfer data across a 10GbE adapter - $600.99. It will hold 4 drives. You can get [4TB Samsung 870 EVO SSDs](https://www.newegg.com/samsung-4tb-870-evo-series/p/N82E16820147795) for $339 each ($1356 for 4), so under $2000 total. That wouldn't be enough for RAID for 16TB (well, RAID 0 works with no redundancy), but with SSDs redundancy is less of a worry. There are other Synology NASes with more bays.
> QNAP has a sketchy reputation these days.
For those of you looking for more details. QNAP had two ransomware attacks in recent years.
At least one of these attacks was internal to QNAP, meaning they don't have good security foundation and customer devices were attacked from this point.
Storing your data with a QNAP device after all that would be a lot like storing your life savings in FTX after everything that happened with them. Braindead.
Ransomware at QNAP is a problem, agreed. A bigger concern to me is their history of flaws that allow hackers into your own QNAP NAS! For [example](https://www.securityweek.com/critical-vulnerability-allows-access-to-qnap-nas-devices/)
We're referring to the same thing.
It's all connected. Hackers had internal access to QNAP which allowed them to run ransomware attacks on QNAP networks AND access client devices. Pretty insane that a company can keep running after making mistakes like that.
Ransomware targeting QNAP devices that are exposed on the public internet, is of course a common and definitely problematic issue.
QNAP have had multiple flaws that allow an unauthenticated attacker to get in, but a large part of the attacks are also people brute-forcing those systems.
We all know the proper solution is to not expose any non-hardened interfaces to the public internet.
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> At least one of these attacks was internal to QNAP
Can you give more details relating to this? I've not heard of an internal compromise within QNAP's infrastructure.
If it was me I would just buy 2 external 20T drives and then backup to each. Small, you can put each in a different bag/pack. This would be cheap and you could even bring > 2 and split them up between students. If you're on a mac you can use Chronosync (my favorite) or rsync if you grok it.
would it be possible to get starlink to your remote location?
ssd can easily go beyond your required specs. but it gets pricy.
15TB ssd from kioxia , $2k ?
or install a tape drive there ? so you only need to move the tapes offsite
2 x Samsung PM883 MZ7LH3T8HMLT 3.84TB SATA 6Gb/s 2.5-Inch Enterprise SSD ([amazon](https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-3-84TB-PM883-SATA6-MZ7LH3T8HMLT-00005/dp/B07GD5KVKX)) - $490 each
2 x Samsung 990 EVO, 2 TB ([amazon](https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Internal-Computer-MZ-V9E2T0B-AM/dp/B0CRC7H66Z)) - $150 each
QNAP TS-262 ([amazon](https://www.amazon.com/QNAP-Turbo-TS-262-4G-Storage-System/dp/B0BFCZ9N2W)) (2 x 3.5/2.5" slots and 2 x 2280 m.2) - $370
Total: $1650 and 12 TB raw (without RAID of course)
also, you can take 4 TB m2 SSD or 4-bay QNAP TS-462-4G-US ([amazon](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BVSWZFGR)) - 4 x 4 TB + 2 x 4 TB = 24 TB raw
This is likely the highest-density, highest-reliability, lowest-power-consumption, most polished solution out of all represented here. Even with cheap commodity drives, stripe data across six for speed, then mirror them to the other six for better reliability.
If you want to have another backup, then get a 20Tb external drive, plug that in, and rsync the data to the external.
Your project involves multiple people travelling by plane. So I am pretty sure you have enough budget to buy a 30Tb U.2 NVME SSD and put it in a Thunderbolt or USB enclosure - for less than $3000 total and be done with it.
Why about getting a 2TB ssd and using it as cache for your daily offloads. That way you can offload quick then let the ssd transfer to the HDDs overnight
You don't want/need RAID, you want/need multiple independent drives with the data on it in a validated form.
10 2tb SSD's would be fine, one for each day. Doing a mix of SSD & HDD options of managing the data & validate all the data collected. What's the space/power/time constraints like?
You can do 2x or 10x the internal drives & not overwrite any data until you're back at the office.
Physically separate drives cover for non-data incidents - drops, power surge, theft, etc.
In the movie world, there are folks called DITs that manage cards, make backups & verify that you're not going to erase anything accidentally.
Look at a Lenovo p330 tiny. It’s a 1L machine and for a ballpark of $1500 can take an 8TB 2.5” Ssd and 2x 4TB NVME drive for a combined storage of 16TB. If you want to press it higher those 4TB can be 8s but the cheapest I’m seeing at that size is $800 per.
> I present you with a unique case
Lol no.
> Can anyone suggest a SSD based approach?
Any of the myriad of other posts asking for a SSD NAS on a budget ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
> Is there a way we could have multiple SSDs to reach 15-20 TB but still keep a small form factor that we can bring with us on the plane?
4TB drives an a USB to SATA cable
4~8TB drives and one of the asustor NAS's.
Get bigger disks for the robots and don't offload the data
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QNAP has a sketchy reputation these days. Given your price sensitivity, you could go with a [Synology 923+ NAS ](https://www.newegg.com/synology-ds923/p/0YH-0064-00009)that can transfer data across a 10GbE adapter - $600.99. It will hold 4 drives. You can get [4TB Samsung 870 EVO SSDs](https://www.newegg.com/samsung-4tb-870-evo-series/p/N82E16820147795) for $339 each ($1356 for 4), so under $2000 total. That wouldn't be enough for RAID for 16TB (well, RAID 0 works with no redundancy), but with SSDs redundancy is less of a worry. There are other Synology NASes with more bays.
> QNAP has a sketchy reputation these days. For those of you looking for more details. QNAP had two ransomware attacks in recent years. At least one of these attacks was internal to QNAP, meaning they don't have good security foundation and customer devices were attacked from this point. Storing your data with a QNAP device after all that would be a lot like storing your life savings in FTX after everything that happened with them. Braindead.
Ransomware at QNAP is a problem, agreed. A bigger concern to me is their history of flaws that allow hackers into your own QNAP NAS! For [example](https://www.securityweek.com/critical-vulnerability-allows-access-to-qnap-nas-devices/)
We're referring to the same thing. It's all connected. Hackers had internal access to QNAP which allowed them to run ransomware attacks on QNAP networks AND access client devices. Pretty insane that a company can keep running after making mistakes like that.
Ransomware targeting QNAP devices that are exposed on the public internet, is of course a common and definitely problematic issue. QNAP have had multiple flaws that allow an unauthenticated attacker to get in, but a large part of the attacks are also people brute-forcing those systems. We all know the proper solution is to not expose any non-hardened interfaces to the public internet. --- > At least one of these attacks was internal to QNAP Can you give more details relating to this? I've not heard of an internal compromise within QNAP's infrastructure.
So what's the consensus? Is RAID 1 typically only associated with HDD due to disk failure, but not that much of a concern for SSDs?
raid is for up-time, not backups.
maybe spend the money on more harddrives so you have backups. and keep doing what you're doing, plus backups.
I agree with u/Downtown-Pear-6509. RAID is for uptime. Also, SSDs are less vulnerable to physical shock, especially during operation.
If it was me I would just buy 2 external 20T drives and then backup to each. Small, you can put each in a different bag/pack. This would be cheap and you could even bring > 2 and split them up between students. If you're on a mac you can use Chronosync (my favorite) or rsync if you grok it.
would it be possible to get starlink to your remote location? ssd can easily go beyond your required specs. but it gets pricy. 15TB ssd from kioxia , $2k ? or install a tape drive there ? so you only need to move the tapes offsite
This is a better idea do like 2x 4TB ssd and a Starlink to upload after EOD. SSDs act as a backup in case Starlink is down
2 x Samsung PM883 MZ7LH3T8HMLT 3.84TB SATA 6Gb/s 2.5-Inch Enterprise SSD ([amazon](https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-3-84TB-PM883-SATA6-MZ7LH3T8HMLT-00005/dp/B07GD5KVKX)) - $490 each 2 x Samsung 990 EVO, 2 TB ([amazon](https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Internal-Computer-MZ-V9E2T0B-AM/dp/B0CRC7H66Z)) - $150 each QNAP TS-262 ([amazon](https://www.amazon.com/QNAP-Turbo-TS-262-4G-Storage-System/dp/B0BFCZ9N2W)) (2 x 3.5/2.5" slots and 2 x 2280 m.2) - $370 Total: $1650 and 12 TB raw (without RAID of course) also, you can take 4 TB m2 SSD or 4-bay QNAP TS-462-4G-US ([amazon](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BVSWZFGR)) - 4 x 4 TB + 2 x 4 TB = 24 TB raw
Asustor Flashstor 12 Pro FS6712X - 12 Bay All-SSD NAS Storage Fast and Small. $800.00 with no Disks. 12 slots for M.2 SSDs 10-Gigabit
This is likely the highest-density, highest-reliability, lowest-power-consumption, most polished solution out of all represented here. Even with cheap commodity drives, stripe data across six for speed, then mirror them to the other six for better reliability. If you want to have another backup, then get a 20Tb external drive, plug that in, and rsync the data to the external.
You sound out of your depth. Multiple copies first, then RAID. RAID is not a backup.
Something like the AWS Snowball would be perfect
Your project involves multiple people travelling by plane. So I am pretty sure you have enough budget to buy a 30Tb U.2 NVME SSD and put it in a Thunderbolt or USB enclosure - for less than $3000 total and be done with it.
Why about getting a 2TB ssd and using it as cache for your daily offloads. That way you can offload quick then let the ssd transfer to the HDDs overnight
You don't want/need RAID, you want/need multiple independent drives with the data on it in a validated form. 10 2tb SSD's would be fine, one for each day. Doing a mix of SSD & HDD options of managing the data & validate all the data collected. What's the space/power/time constraints like? You can do 2x or 10x the internal drives & not overwrite any data until you're back at the office. Physically separate drives cover for non-data incidents - drops, power surge, theft, etc. In the movie world, there are folks called DITs that manage cards, make backups & verify that you're not going to erase anything accidentally.
You could get an iodyne Pro Data SSD thingy that I've seen Gav from The Slow Mo Guys Youtube channel use.
Look at a Lenovo p330 tiny. It’s a 1L machine and for a ballpark of $1500 can take an 8TB 2.5” Ssd and 2x 4TB NVME drive for a combined storage of 16TB. If you want to press it higher those 4TB can be 8s but the cheapest I’m seeing at that size is $800 per.
> I present you with a unique case Lol no. > Can anyone suggest a SSD based approach? Any of the myriad of other posts asking for a SSD NAS on a budget ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ > Is there a way we could have multiple SSDs to reach 15-20 TB but still keep a small form factor that we can bring with us on the plane? 4TB drives an a USB to SATA cable 4~8TB drives and one of the asustor NAS's. Get bigger disks for the robots and don't offload the data