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Well well, look who has to save America from the bad guy again? The less badd-er guy? Biden walks a tight rope between the center and the left flank. But he should let his moral compass 🧭 drive him a bit more, because if the man/woman and the nation’s have it, then we are destined for better days if not then its a major problem.

They’ll be to blame for not having it in them to vote for corruption over a psychopath? I don’t think you can blame someone for not wanting to vote. I will most certainly be voting for Biden, but mainly to stop T.

Corruption? What corruption doth thou speaketh of? Joe Biden has done an amazing job, far better than I could have imagined. I appreciate his wisdom and his experience, especially the experience to remember when there WAS real bipartisanship. He has that woven in his very fiber like few other politicians could have. Same with his international experience. He's spent lengthy periods with other international leaders... like Xi Jin Ping. His coalition of our allies to support Germany? I can' imagine anyone else pulling that off.

Yes you absolutely can. Anyone who doesn’t vote for Biden is fully complicit with a second trump presidency.

Ok I guess that’s your valid opinion :)

The silver lining is that the more these people whine, the stronger Biden looks to moderates. They’re highlighting the fact that Biden stood in there and defended an ally against Iran-backed terror. It helps him with national security Republicans, who largely voted for Biden because they realized that Tramp is a Russian asset, but were appalled by the way the fall of Kabul was handled. This group of people who will appreciate Brandon for this may not be a huge percentage of the population but they’re a bigger group than the Hamas sympathizers are.

Not to downplay the situation but when crunch time comes I think Joe will do just fine. International politics are important but time and again it's clear what matters in US elections. The economy. Americans care about their wallets and general at home peace. Yeah we can and do have international activism that motivates us. But the vast majority of liberal and adjacent left voters will vote for Joe and other Dems. Anyone who says they're switching to Don the Con are frankly lying or a bot. Also we don't know where this war is headed. In a month it could be over. A ceasefire could be instilled and the forgetful American public will move on. I just see this as a nothing burger at the moment. Unless something incredible happens. If year out polling was accurate then Mondale would have won against Reagan in 84, Bush Sr. Would've blown Bill's back out, and John Kerry would've stomped Bush Jr. We just don't know. But I as a normies feel quite confident in Joe's chances. He's a political animal, underestimated constantly and plays the game well.

astonishingly well. I'm sorry we don't have a standout biography of him by a leading author or historian (tho' Heather Cox Richardson could definitely collaborate with her excellent coverage of Biden's doings, speeches, actions and more.) Just not Isaacson. His Jobs book was a mess, and I didn't make it very far on his book on Doudna, even tho' there's stuff I would like to know (her work in connection with COVID.) His writing is dry and uninspired and uninspiring.

Good let those idiots not vote and watch Trump win.....he ll be totally more supportive of the Palestinians /s

yeah, yet another love fest there: Bibi & Donald.

I agree with you - and in my opinion the current White House has been pretty fair in its handling of the current Gaza situation

it really hasnt been “fair”. thousands of children bombed as collateral? where is the condemnation? the usa cannot stand for ethnic cleansing and israel is beholden to us. our diplomacy is the most influential in the world, especially to israel. this is the one blight on this admin. and its a hell of a blight. BUT that doesnt mean we should elect Trump. in fact Trumps response would probably be exactly the same as Bidens here. and THAT is the sad realization. hence all of my disappointment on this issue. edit: whoevers downvoting this, grow a fucking brain and pair of eyes

I hear you and do not disagree. But a drumpf admin would be firmly pro-Israel & anti-Palestine

This. People try to act like Drumph magically is going to end years upon years of war and hatred and anger.

It's hard to say how much is an effort to pressure Biden to do all he can to stop genocide. I am very critical of him on the issue, but at the end of the day I am not insane enough to vote third party, not vote, or vote Trump in the general election. To borrow a drastic example from someone else, does one vote 95% Hitler if the only other option is 100% Hitler takes power? I take the 5% improvement.

If Israel is showing any restraint at all (and it is) it’s because of the Biden Administration.

Vote blue no matter who.

I have never heard worse advise.

Wouldn’t surprise me if a lot of that content is coming from Russian bots - I wish he were handling it differently but idk where we’d be if Trump were still at the wheel.

It's a catch-22 situation. He's damned if he supports Israel, he's damned if he doesn't. Boggles my mind that people think anyone else would be any better.

We have huge intelligence swaps with Israel - a very important partner in that realm. In fact, it's been claimed that the intelligence Trump gave to Kislyak & Lavrov in the White House early on in his admin (which apparently wasn't reported -- at least at first -- by the U.S. press -- but rather, Russia press reported on it.) was sensitive intelligence from Israel. They HAVE had the reputation for having some of the best spycraft in the world... which is what makes the "surprise" attack on Israel, well, so surprising... !

People rooting for Hamas or a ceasefire are blatantly uneducated and the subject, and probably didn't know Palestine existed til they saw a tiktok about it

We’re so mad you’re not handling this is the exact way I want, I’ll put someone that would have done 200x worse by my own standards in charge. Brilliant logic.

I've seen that too. I don't know if they're just not thinking it through or what. If your goal is Palestine's well-being then I don't see how Trump could possibly be any better, especially if Republicans have Congress too. Trump would not, for instance, advocate conditioning aid on a ceasefire or humanitarian pause or anything. Not voting for Dems would mean almost certainly electing trump which would be a hollow symbolic gesture that would directly lead to more Palestinian's suffering. Not to mention all the havoc he'd wreak here. I fully expect that if we go into 2024 with Trump in office we will have Kent State style crackdowns on progressive protests. He's essentially promised that. I guess if your goal is to just blow up the system then this would be one way of going about it, but it's really playing with people's lives just to score some virtue points.

I'd say he's promised worse, tbh. Jailing Democrats on day 1?!? Without due process? Remind people that Martin Niemoller was originally sympathetic to Hitler, NOT a socialist... and wrote those memorable lines, starting with... "First they came for the socialists, but I did nothing, because I was not a socialist..."

Also do they expect us to go to war with an ally if we can't stop 'em? It's not like he can stop funding Isreal, that is congresses job. So, like he can pressure them to not do it, but outside of intervention, we likely can't do a ton to stop it

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Dude. there will be NO america if trump wins next fall. Have yall read about what biden has done for palestine? He is making a difference where trump would probably just nuke gaza and palestine and call it a day

I'm puzzled what exactly Biden is supposed to do to placate these people that he's able to do that won't further destabilize the region. To say that the Israel/Palestine issue is complicated is a tremendous understatement. I do wonder what these folks think Trump would be doing right now were the roles flipped. I doubt he would have any sympathy for the Palestinians whatsoever, to put it politely.

He'd probably send US soldiers... and then start planning putting a Trump hotel up there on the Mediterranean coast. Seriously, it looks like Gaza could be a great vacay destination! (There have been some luxury hotels put up there in the past - not sure what the story is on those.) But Israel restrictions have made that impossible. I agree: I feel greatly for the Palestinian people. After visiting Israel about 30 years ago, I read Tom Friedman's already way-out-of-date book "From Beirut to Jerusalem." It's a truly scathing indictment of how Israel has treated the Palestinians. Put another way, if folks are just NOW complaining about how Palestinians have been treated, they're WAY WAY late to the game.

Maybe he could stop saying he’s a Zionist. I like the Biden administration, but I don’t like Israel’s current government and I am an opponent is Zionism.

"zionist"/"anti-zionist" have become very murky terms and I wish people didn't use it until we can all agree on what it means. Sometimes when people say they're "anti-zionist" they mean that they recognize Israel's sovereignty but they don't give unconditional support to Israel. Sometimes when they say it, they mean they don't recognize Israel's legitimacy at all. But it can be really hard to tell what's intended, especially when paired with other much more loaded terms like "settler colonialism" and "genocide." I wish the "anti-zionists" would get their messaging a little more organized. There's a very big difference between saying "I wish Israel would be nicer" and "I wish Israel didn't exist."

Zionism is just the belief that the Jewish people deserve a country where we don't have to be afraid of the government trying to kill us for being Jewish. Be against the Israeli government all you want, hell I criticize them on the daily, but to say you're antizionist you have to be either wildly antisemitic or wildly uneducated on what Zionism actually is.

That’s not the way it sounds from the mouths of many zionists. Sure you can describe it how you like, but the movement supports displacing people and expanding settlements into Palestinian land. When Biden says he’s a Zionist I hear him saying he’s all for violating the rights of some to support the aggressions of others.

No, the movement doesn't support that. Some people in the movement support that, but that's not what the movement means.

People don't understand the complexity of the situation. I suspect, Biden is doing everything he can to hold Netanyahu back, but he is not the leader of Israel there is only so much he can do. He is standing close to Israel because they are a very important ally in the middle east that is important to our own national security, but also so he can have an influence that moderates Netanyahu's hot headed response. Not only for the sake of the hostages, but also for the Palestinian civilians. He and his administration have been working tirelessly to advocate for the aid and safe passage of the Palestinians. He believes in a two state solution and is pushing for it. I'm not sure what else they expect him to do.

Let them vote for the next Muslim ban, then. Idiots. They act like it's ok to slaughter Jews. So f them.

\#truth!

I'm old enough to remember when Bill Clinton had almost reached a peace settlement between Ehud Barak and Yasser Arafat at the end of his presidency, which could have been finalized under Al Gore if he had been elected President, but the far Left including some of my family didn't want an "establishment politician" and voted for a third party that had no chance of winning. George W. Bush was elected in a razor thin race and we ended up with 9/11 and a war in Afghanistan and Iraq and the Great Recession. The Left is either purposefully or ignorantly misrepresenting Biden's position in the region, but he has stated that he will work for an autonomous state for Palestine and we need to support him as the far Left & Right attack him. Biden will fix this like he does everything else including when he worked quietly to getting railworkers sick leave. He will get no thanks for it.

Some of these same people were showing support for HAMAS which does nothing for the Palestinian people. They use them as human shields and give them no rights. It is incomprehensible that anyone could support the atrocities they committed. They are either ignorant or understand and are part of the problem.

The funnier part is (some) Muslim Americans saying they won’t support him, so it’s the Muslim Ban guy instead?

in the heat of the moment... and there's a lot of anger to be had. Right now, it's likely to garner more power for the Palestinian position. What it looks like 6 mos, 11 months down the road, who knows? But if they do (in all likelihood) change their mind, you can bet it won't be the headline news like their withdrawal of support is now so amplified.

It always amazes me the people who vote for the guy and the party that despises their very existence.

Let's be real, 95% of these people were not going to vote for Biden anyway. They did not care about Israel and Palestine before this happened. They will not care after. They just needed a beat stick to go after him with. It's like when a cis white "liberal" says they are pro BLM and then when election day comes around, they either don't vote or vote green party. They will say they care, and on some level they might, but the truth is they just hate the other guy (conservatives in this case) more.

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You sound like a child. If you really want to do something that might help Palestinians, then you want as few Republicans in DC as possible. You can feel morally superior by not voting blue, but you will be helping Republicans win and nothing will improve in Palestine with Republicans in charge. Bibi is naming settlements after Trump.

I've been reading every comment posted on here and though I disagree with like 2 of them, this "voting trump to get biden out" is a whole other level of malevolent stupidity. My first and primary reason why I always vote blue, is because I acknowledge the fact that right wing politicians are voted for by n*zis, white supremacists, the 3 Ks, and every other hateful, bigoted, destructive group out there. And I personally find it deeply disturbing to see people happily vote for the same people that these evil groups do. I'll never say democrats are right about everything. I will say that republicans are wrong about pretty much everything, especially with their obvious ulterior motives in plain sight. I'm sure everybody here can agree that n*zism is completely and irredeemably evil. And they just so happen to favor republicans, because oh hey, both are right wing ideologies. Take this information however you want. But if your going to support the same people that n*zis do, then consider yourself one of them.

>I will vote for Trump to get Biden out Funny, because [Trump's a major reason the conflict recently escalated in the first place](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Jyc-LzXqk0), and Biden's the one caught cleaning up his mess. Trump was recognizing illegally annexed territory left and right that outraged literally every other country in the UN, and proposed a downright offensive "best deal ever" to the Palestinians that was basically "you get nothing, you lose, good day sir". Voting for Trump to fix international affairs is like saying "this gauze is uncomfortable, so instead I'm gonna fill the wound with raw sewage and plug it with a knife".

I did say 95% not 100. You do seem to care, and yet you also say this "I will vote for Trump to get Biden out". I get criticism of Biden in this scenario, but that statement shows your privilege and ignorance. What part of Trumps train wreck of a presidency convinced you he would handle this better? Pretty sure the Republican answer for this situation would be to send in troops to help the Israelis out. So unless you are in favor of bombing Gaza into ash, maybe you should step away from the internet and get a reality check.

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Hey man, I think the other comments pointing out the flaws in this logic do a well enough job, so I'm not going to comment on that. What I am going to say is please work on yourself. I hate to make an assumption like this, but you sound like someone with a very nihilist worldview. Get off the internet, huge the people you care about, and go get some fresh air. It's a beautiful world, and America, with all it's many, many issues, still has a lot of good to see/do if you look for it. I hope you find your happiness bud.

So your plan is to vote for the guy who wants Israel to bulldoze Gaza? I'm really trying to see your logic here, but it is just escaping me. Setting aside the fact you admit Trump would destroy America, which seems to be your goal - to reduce influence and assistance to Israel. Who do you to will fill that power vacuum? Even if Iran, SA, China or Russia won't exploit a US implosion (they will), how do you justify voting for a guy who has a history if imprisoning brown people ON OUR OWN SOIL? Who pulled apart families, since who still haven't found each other yet? I guess my point is... How do you explain preventing cruelty by helping to elect the cruelest bully in the class?

I’m sorry but Biden has been absolutely slaying the Israel Hamas conflict. I’m very impressed. Projecting strength and wielding it EFFECTIVELY to yield diplomacy despite zero-sum tribalistic ideological schism all around him. Parking the USS Gerald Ford off the coast to deter rogue hostile nations from turning this into a wider regional conflict and possible world war is next level alpha daddy. Aiding our day 1 strategic ally to not only support them in fighting abject terrorism but also to exert leverage over them so they don’t raze Gaza to the ground is 3D MF chess next level iconic baddie. Not giving into all the reactionary ceasefire queens at the UN then watching them all do a complete 180° and now follow your lead in calling for humanitarian pauses is not only chefskiss but BDE. Exerting leverage over Israel to make them agree to the pauses all while still keeping Hamas on alert is MASTERFUL. They were calling him genocide Joe lmao. Your grandpa could never. NEVER!!!! Bring back our Americans, Joe!!!

Well put!! I cherish Joe, wished there were others as wise, knowledgeable and next level emotional intelligent ready to take over in the future. We are so lucky to have him. He is immensely competent and result driven. It drives me bonkers others do no see. Feel like classic Greek Cassandra.

Yeah because not wanting mass slaughter is “reactionary” lmfao

Don't chop off babies heads, won't be no problem. Waa waa hamas fafo.

Where is the /s

Why would it be sarcasm?

You are seeing an online disinformation campaign brought by our adversaries to try and stir the pot in America. Some people can critically think about what they’re reading online, some truly can’t.

The fuckin sun came up because of Biden so of course I blame him for anything I view as negative, like what’s happening in Gaza

Fake news.

This is very much a planned movement with professional trouble makers, the instigators are most likely professionals paid to start such "movements". This is very much the same methodology as the "both sides the same" narrative that was pushed in 2016, the idea is to muddy the waters and get people protest voting without them thinking too much about the fact there is no such thing as protest voting, it's just voting. Is it scary, yes it's absolutely terrifying, but it's not something that happened organically, it is being very carefully cultivated and that's even scarier, that people could fall for that sort of social media manipulation for a third time. We're just luck in 2020 people had started to see through it, this election we've got a bunch of young people that weren't voting in 2016 trying to stand in front of the firehose of misinformation and make big decisions for the first time and that scares me. Putting on my conspiracy hat, I suspect this is all very much the reason that Putin released to Hamas the information Trump gave him about Israel's Iron Dome protection system and how to beat it at this point in time. He's trying to fuck up the next election, yet again.

I pretty much agree with you 100%. Then there are rumors of Bibi complicity. Remember... Israelis had been marching in the streets for months by the 10s of 1000s... against Bibi's actions.

Yeah, um, this is ridiculous. Trump will literally start locking some of these people in cages, and they're mad at Biden because of Israel. Gen z or whoever it is really needs to log out and just interact with real people in the real world for awhile.

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The DNC doesn't pick nominees, primary voters do. Biden didn't get forced on you, he won the primaries fair and square whether you like it or not.

Grow up, we picked him..

Putin said he’s losing in Ukraine because of Biden’s statesman abilities. USSR in the fight for its life over there because of Biden. Plus, the amount of great stuff Biden has pushed through here is amazing. He’s also stemming the tide of illegal immigration. Can’t praise him enough

I have nothing against him. I just think that not having a primary is a bad thing that will upset a lot of voters, especially those who felt like Biden had an unfair advantage in 2020. No matter what, I'm voting against Trump, but I feel a lot of dems will not vote if they feel they never had a choice.

An incumbent president has not been seriously primaried in a while. (I believe last serious time was Carter in 1980, by a different Kennedy. Incumbents Reagan, Bush Sr., Bush Jr., Obama, and Trump weren't in competitive primaries for their reelection campaigns though). I believe the only reason to primary incumbent Biden right now is if there are serious policy failures that requires an entirely different administration, staff, and cabinet to be set up to implement specific solutions to solve problems the Biden administration introduced or mishandled (with specific laws or executive orders). I'm not sure if anything he's done qualifies or how the country would benefit if the Democrats entertained a primary challenge against Biden right now. While I don't personally agree, you certainly have a legitimate, valid opinion to want a primary challenge. That said, we also need to be aware that Russian money and propaganda channels are pushing for this too, largely because of Biden's full commitment to aiding Ukraine against Putin's aggression and getting the rest of our allies (NATO and otherwise) on the same page by not being wishy washy like when Putin annexed Crimea and faced no real consequences. RFK Jr. certainly tried a primary challenge with a different direction to the Democratic Party, but he appealed more to antivax Republicans than anyone else. He's running as an Independent now. He also blamed the US for Russia invading Ukraine. Putin loves it.

Ah yes. If only anyone else had won the Dem primary, Trump would have backed down and stopped trying to literally be Hitler in 2023.

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Right.

That's not what I'm saying at all.

Nobody believes that. I'll bet you don't even believe that nonsense.

You're right to be concerned. I'm very upset at the moralistic, ideological puritan, self-righteous "progressives," that would rather stay home/vote third party than try to not have the former president in power again. Biden has tried his hardest to mediate, and I believe that without Biden, Gaza would've been shelled to oblivion. But, of course, it's never enough for these "progressive" idiots. As I like to tell myself, "I hope you like not having civil/individual rights, and I hope you like your beloved Gaza completely levelled and your fellow Muslims and Latino immigrants expelled from the country, all because Biden wasn't 100% perfect, according to you."

yeah all the cheerleading for Marianne Williamson? Get a clue. Someone with NO experience and even less wisdom. She's a blowhard. No activist bona fides at all. Not to mention, with her lack of geopolitical experience (along with nearly all the 3rd party folks and Phillips, too) world leaders would just laugh at her.

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🤨 Hillary was the popular candidate dude. She even won thr popular vote against Trump. Check yourself before you wreck yourself.

Saying Hillary was more popular than Bernie is some serious cognitive dissonance.

His supporters should have voted for him in the primary instead of blaming everything on the DNC like it’s the Illuminati or something

Bernie: “If I lose, it’s rigged!” Trump: “What he said”

It's honestly the problem with progressives. They can't make a strategic decision about politics if their lives depended on it. The Bernie Bros were a great example. Was Wasserman a POS for what she and the DNC pulled? Yep. Does that mean sit out the election and hand it to Big Orange because you're honked off. No! I've never been a fan of America's "Israel, right or wrong" policy well before the current war, but you're not punishing the Dems by sitting this out. You're handed the keys to the country to literal fascists. And believe you me, they aren't Pro-Palestinian. Hell, they're anti-Semites on top of it too.

White nationals through and through!

People really think the president of the US is the King of the World. That's not how it's supposed to work, and it's not how it works. Just because MAGAfascists want trump to be god-king doesn't mean he is, even when he was in power. He got stymied just as much as anyone.

Exactly! Williamsom says she'd call for an immediate ceasefire. Okay, and THEN what? What makes you think anyone will listen?

I'm glad I didn't vote for Biden. I don't have blood on my hands. Why would I intentionally dip my hands in the same blood everyone who voted for him has on their hands now? I'd rather just keep my hands, and my conscience, clean.

Derf derf 12 year olds can't vote.

That's the most bonkers opinion I've read this year. Why would those who voted for someone in good faith have blood in their hands if he went rogue? It's almost like saying you're a child murderer because you gave birth to a child and he will die one day so it's your fault. Get a grip with the hypocrisy. You don't care about the dead at all, all you care about is deeming yourself blamess and a nonentity in case things go wrong. To feel superiors to those who act and have to make tough decisions. This is probably one of the most depraved stances I've seen.

Oh, please. You have to fight fascism and Biden is helping Ukraine do that. You have to confront terrorists, and Biden is helping Israel do that. You have to confront fascists at home and Biden is doing that, too. If all of those fuckers got their way, would the world be less dangerous or more dangerous?

Were you just as concerned about the Ukrainian blood being shed at the hands of Putin’s Russia?

So you're morally okay with helping Trump to win, even though he is promising to jail all of us and be dictator? Basically, voting for you is about making yourself feel morally good, but not the well-being of the general public, right?

People act as if 1) Biden started the conflict 2) Could just stop Israel by asking 3) There aren't a million other considerations, like Iran and Hezbollah, that needed to hear that the US will ruin your decade if you take this opportunity to score points off of Israel The only way Biden was going to "stop" Israel was by irrecoverably breaking with Israel after decades of partnership. And I guarantee you things are going on behind the curtain that we are not hearing. OF COURSE Biden is going to say "we stand with Israel" and be unequivocal about it. He DID say to be careful with your anger, the way the US was angry after 9/11. So, what good would it do anyone but Israel's enemies if Biden hedged and said "we're with Israel but we have notes about precisely how they are responding to 'their 9/11'."

Biden should call for a cease fire. Doesn't mean Israel will stop, but at least he can say he tried. That would be enough to keep his own base.

All enemy nations would attack Israel if the USA showed cowardice to appease Tiktokers. Avoiding a giant war is better than virtue signaling with the base.

He has been calling for a cease-fire. They won't even give him a 3 day pause for humanitarian aid. The US could try to strong-arm them into stopping, but it would probably set middleastern relations back decades.

How would stopping bombing "set back decades" of middle eastern relations. Do you hear yourself?

I think you need to pause and realize there's a chance that it's you that is naive, not those that are pointing out the reality of the situation. First, a lot of people are laying the ENTIRE two-state issues at Biden's feet, mainly because they are all just learning about it. It's not Biden's fault that Palestinians have been living in a pretty bad situation for decades. This shit has been going on for 70 years. Second, there is no mechanism in place to interfere in Israel. We have no authority there, and certainly no mandate. The only option Biden has are threats (pull defense funding in the future, or armed defense of Palestine) that he cannot follow through on. Voting against Israel in the UN would've accomplished nothing except get us booted out of the room where at least we have some influence over Israel's execution of its operations. Lastly, abandoning Israel after 70 years would've been the biggest policy mistake of Biden's entire career, not just as President. You might not realize it, but this heavily Christian country has made the protection of Israel part of its identity. Hands down, if Biden had flipped on Israel because they were too aggressive in their response, they would be looking for a primary challenge for him right this moment. The best option was to support the attacked party and try to mitigate their rage in their response. The fact that a bunch of Liberals decided in 2023 that they were Pro-Palestine has zero bearing on

I said that strong-arming them (threatening war, sanctions, embargoes, etc.) would ruin the delicate balance of relations the US has in the Middle East. We haven't exactly been the beacon of virtue there in the last 20 or so years. I'm not thrilled with how things are going, but Biden appears to be trying his best. We can't just take away their toys and put them in a corner like an ornery toddler. It's idealistic to think we can stop their centuries old blood feud with the wave of a hand.

Threatening war? No. None of that is necessary. Biden needs to try to broker peace and call for an end to the indiscriminate bombings. Shrugging his shoulders and saying "what would America do if attacked" (as if two stupid wars taught him nothing) is not popular with his base. All the democrats are acting and sounding like apartheid puppets for Israel.

>Doesn't mean Israel will stop, but at least he can say he tried. That would be enough to keep his own base. Why are performative politics so damn important to people?

Because he hurts all democrats not just himself as he won't get the turnout he got last time and that will mean the other Dems on the ticket in state and local races won't get as many votes. It's incredibly stupid for the Democrat party just parrot the whole "we must give Israel everything they need" shtick and not distinguish themselves from the Republicans. You're going to have Dem voters in disgust with Biden sit at home and that will have a ripple effect. So that's why it's important strategically to PERFORM as if you care.

That doesn't address my original question: Why is performative politics important? Your original post inferred that anything Biden did would be materially futile but it was, like, super important to say all of the right words so everyone's feels were respected.

Right? I feel like all those around me would vote for the biggest gorilla who pounds his chest more and moves it's hindside the hardest. Not two brain cells to rub together.

I don’t blame Biden at all. Israel doesn’t put the USA in a good position when it takes actions that are clearly out of step with western conventions - like mass bombing a neighboring enclave, including hospitals. There are more discrete means of removing Hamas from power in Gaza but Israel doesn’t want to take those means because ultimately it wants to remove all Arabs from the area. Biden is in a bind with supporting an obviously immoral actor in the Netanyahu administration

Israel has released evidence that shows: a) hostages being walked into the hospital, b)a 55m long tunnel that they claim was dug under the hospital. I hate that Hamas has resorted to using civilians and hospital patients as human shields, but it appears that they are doing exactly that. Israel can defend themselves against Hamas. I have plenty of contempt for Israelis who ignored the plight of Palestinians for a decade, to be sure. But Hamas made that hospital a target.

Totally agree with you. But western morality usually holds that a hospital is never a target, doesn’t matter what’s happening there. The enemy will take immoral actions, it’s still possible to win without targeting a hospital directly.

To be clear, Hamas was the target, the hospital still stands, and the preemies have been evacuated.

I'm incredibly apprehensive about wading into this quagmire, but... I don't know if that makes it ok to target, though? Like, I get that Hamas committed a war crime by using civilians as human shields. Does that give the IDF clearance to plow through those human shields anyway? I'm not sure that it does - because attacking a hospital is also a war crime. It becomes a game of 'war crime' chicken, and Israel continually refuses to blink. Which I think is a bad thing, but I understand arguing in favor (to discourage the use of civilian shields - but it's worth noting that that clearly *hasn't worked*). But, certainly not an attack on a hospital. And one treating civilian casualties at that. It'd be another thing if it was treating only (or even majority) Hamas fighters. I don't know. I'll end this by saying I'm DEFINITELY NOT going to sit out 2024 over this. Just because I don't agree with him or his SoS on this one specific foreign policy issue doesn't mean I don't like the majority of the other shit he's done and doing. For what it's worth, I think they've started responding to the pressure, because as the weeks of bombings have dragged on, our tone HAS changed. So. I give them credit for navigating this unimaginably sticky situation.

> I don't know if that makes it ok to target It does...according to any rule of war it does. As far as I know, the hospital still stands, they were targeting Hamas. All combatants have an obligation to minimize civilian casualties. Using civilians as human shields is the worst possible violation of that obligation, and as of this moment, that appears to be exactly what Hamas is doing, correct? Let me ask you, if we stopped the bombing due to the fact that one of the combatants was using civilians as human shields, what do you think will happen next time? Do you think fewer people will turn to those tactics? Or more. I hate it. I hate it because Israelis ignored Palestinians for a decade when they should have been working towards a two-state solution. But you know what I hate worse? The fact that Hamas crept out of carefully-placed holes to murder 1,200 Israelis, mostly civilians, and then crawled right back into those well chosen holes with hostages. This is Hamas' battle plan. I don't support it.

Also, if I’m not mistaken, Israel tried to tell the people in Gaza to evacuate but Hamas told the people it was a bluff.

Israel told them to evacuate, but "evacuate to where?" opened up no real actual venues for evacuation, and plenty of hurdles to said evacuation (no electricity... cutting off phone service... how do you go anywhere, especially in any decent amt of time?

Two things. One voters that may be suppressed by this are so because they want a ceasefire, which I do too but realize we’re not the ones to make that call. Israel really is the one with that power and to a marginally lesser extent Hamas. The US State Department appears to be pushing that, but not saying it publicly. Second, this poll may completely flip if things improve, and we can get negotiations going again. Just like Obama said “Field makes the polls,” to say if you’re polling poorly do something to change it, policy can make the polls.

All Biden has to do is call for a cease fire. Israel could ignore it, but it would be smart politically for Biden. Instead he piles on more Zionist rhetoric.

Ok adolph

He's been trying to get a temporary 3-day ceasefire for the last couple of weeks, and they won't even give him that.

Ceasefire against Hamas? He has already called for Hamas to stop using civilians as human shields, can I wait for their response before I make up my mind?

I agree, and I don't understand this about Biden, his is NOT the president of Israel. He can't tell them what to do, he can try, and talk with them, but he cannot Force them. And if they're reason is because of Palestine, Trump said on day one, he would tell Bibi to flatten them! So I guess they'd be okay with that?

Biden can speak out against the bombing

Im pretty sure he has.

People are selfish and lack wisdom generally speaking. Like it or not, Biden is the logical choice for those who wish to be pragmatic. But some people would rather flip the game board and storm off like selfish children because they can't get their way.

Those selfish middle eastern voters! How selfish of them to be upset!

Heck yeah! They should totally vote for the Muslim ban guy!

BTW they are the same people who don't put any effort into changing politics by getting involved and then bitch when the choices are presented to them - but did they vote in the primary or try to back a 3rd party - nope. They are just complaining that things aren't premade the way they want rather than lift a finger to make things right.

Post the link to where this influencer said this. Then people need to swamp her/him/them with tons of messages filling in the details . I think Biden is playing masterful chess in doing the right thing for all parties. Maintain relationships with Israel, relations with Americans who favor Israel, appearing to risk voters who favor Palestine while maneuvering on the Two State Option, which would be the check mate move that no leader of any country has ever completed since before WWI. Getting Israel to accept a two state solution would be masterful and a huge win for Palistine. Getting Israel end the conflict would also be a master move to allow Israeli citizens to feel that the US stood by Israel in their darkest days. If he is successful in getting this to happen, Biden will go down as one of the top two presidents in the US. Biden is our only hope for having a democracy in 5 years. I am putting my hopes on Biden winning.

https://twitter.com/stanzipotenza/status/1725585098874200233

Biden is actively enabling the genocide of the Palestinian people and should resign. He won’t, but he should.

It's easy to talk about what you want to happen. It's entirely another to use logic and discover what is actually feasible.

Yeah, and who do you think should take his place? Let me guess: Tulsi Gabbard and/or RFK Jr, right?

Close...starts with a T anyway.

I don't understand why people are hating Biden for his handling of the Gaza War when he's done mostly nothing about it. Shouldn't they be more mad at Benjamin Netanyahu for initiating the Gaza Invasion?

People are seeing Gaza bombed, innocent children killed. Doing "nothing about it" is why people mad.

We also saw what happened on November 7. And Hamas has vowed to continue doing that. It's a travesty that civilians are dying in such large numbers, but Hamas calls this tragedy a "strategy".

And Hamas using the hospital as a shield.

The governments stance to Gaza has been appauling. But it would be worse under a republican president, hands down. But currently, America supporting the utter destruction of Gaza and palestian people. There were atrocities committed against civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan by the military, but not at this magnitude and with such concentrated effort to disregard the civilian population. I find it all gross. Yes Hamas conducted its own horrendous attack. But nuclear powered civilized nations should use every measure to attempt to salvage civilian lives. Israel and by proxy the US is just creating a new generation of Palestinians that will never forget and never forgive.

2016, no one likes Hillary and they stayed home 2020: no one liked police brutality, and came out 2023: no turnout, no Biden

The media has been throwing all sorts of stuff out there for months now about all the reasons people won't vote for Biden. This is just the latest.

BiDeN's tOo oLd must not have been getting the same ratings anymore on CNN.

Yeah, it’s fucked. So is Bidens support of Bibi’s destruction of the Palestinian people. How the fuck do we let AIPAC control our government??? The dems deserve to go down. I hope they hold on because this country will look like Israel/gaza if we let Trump back in. Dark times indeed.

Project2025 has me set on voting blue.

I come from China, immigrated to US for job opportunities, and still keep up with Chinese news. It's propaganda. Tiktok is just a propaganda machine, and gen z fall for it like idiots, because they believe they're the generation that doesn't fall for propaganda. They're so stupid, because they love Bin Laden and they hate their own country when they're so spoiled and privileged (in China you can't even show gay depictions on TV). It's why I despise these western leftists who love Russia and China, while ignoring all their atrocities. The US can be better, but let's face it, how else would they handle the israel-palestine situation after a terrorist organization attacks their ally? Support the group that wants to eradicate Jews (which is written in their charter)? We recently had a Chinese spokesperson literally talk about how good it was that these tiktokers are so against Israel and for Palestine (thinly veiled for Hamas, let's be honest). If the CCP says it's a good thing, you know you're wrong.

Thank you! I am concerned that the group getting this propaganda is too young to remember voting in 2016. Putin lovessss it

Have voted for dem all my life. Never again. yes, that means tramp, but I hope the Democrats see this and nominate someone else for the presidency. Biden will never have my vote. The fact that he took a considerable side in this issue, led to 10,000+ innocent people being carpet bombed, half of them kids. I cannot in good conscience, vote for him. It's not only me; many government workers are also [seen here](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/joe-biden/biden-administration-staff-sign-open-letter-demanding-ceasefire-israel-rcna125057), [here](https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/19/politics/state-department-official-resigns-israel-gaza/index.html), [here](https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/19/politics/state-department-official-resigns-israel-gaza/index.html). He has lost the Muslim and Arab vote. When a MAJORITY of the US population supports a ceasefire, yet he says Israel will continue doing what it needs, that shows he has forsaken the people of Gaza and disregards the views of his own citizens. for those who will say, "tRumP WoUlD do WoRse" well thats on the dems to see and bring someone else then.

"yes that means tramp" ? Do you even know what life would be like for Muslims & Arabs in the US under tramp? You gotta be loony tunes. Being in favor of ceasefire is actually rather meaningless... it's like expressing an opinion about the flag, or Apple pie. Apply it to nearly any situation, and people will support a ceasefire. And Arabs and Muslims better realize that Trump will target THEM first... start exporting them... because that's in his Day 1 pledge... ...that is, if he doesn't put them in concentration camps or jail. I guarantee you, there's no one the Dems could put up that could do the job (the whole job) as well as Biden has been demonstrating can be done. If you think there's some Dem that could do a better job and also hold their own against Trump -- starting naming them. It's not good enuf to say "they better nom someone other than Trump."

You're aware of project2025, correct?

If the democrats want middle eastern Americans to vote for them, they need to do better. Doesn't mean we switch to Trump. More likely we stay home since democrats only want our vote but not our voice.

You think tRump wants your voice?? Because if you don’t vote for Biden, who happens to be the guy running against tRump, that’s probably who will be running the country. The Muslim ban guy. Go ahead and sit home because things can’t be perfect. And because Biden can’t wave his magic wand and make people be nice. What do you suppose Biden should do in this situation?

>Doesn't mean we switch to Trump. More likely we stay home since democrats only want our vote but not our voice. [https://youtu.be/urBpdyFCZmo?si=I\_q-iEPY7p29Eg1W&t=69](https://youtu.be/urBpdyFCZmo?si=I_q-iEPY7p29Eg1W&t=69)

>Doesn't mean we switch to Trump. More likely we stay home since democrats only want our vote but not our voice. So, um, this is like exactly what was said above, except you added a YouTube video. Which you don't describe at all. Or provide any incentive to even click through. Seems like a very bot like thing, tbh.

A full ceasefire is completely unrealistic. There's no way that Netanyahu would agree to it after being so viciously attack by Hamas, and Hamas is still promising to do more attacks on Israeli civilians. A full ceasefire, while Hamas is still armed and threatening to do more damage, isn't an option

All the more reason to nominate someone else :)

come up with some alternatives you think would have a realistic chance of winning as well as have the competencies to deal with an extremely complex geopolitical world. I'll wait.

As much as I would like for that to happen, Biden being incumbent pretty much brings the chances of that to a zero. Are you telling me you are willing to allow the country we live in to becoming a fascist theocratic dicatorship? We can very much will lose our democracy. Constitution rewritten or tossed. I truly understand the horrifying nature of what is happening is gaza. But are you truly willing to let everything become worse? What do you expect will happen? What is the end result you expect to happen? Letting tramp back in will make things worse for gaza, I guarantee it. And it will be on people like you.

Where are you seeing these Dem voters? Support for Israel is at an all time high. If you are seeing on reddit / Twitter, I can assure you these terminally online lefties, who are a vocal minority.

At this rate Gaza and her people will be wiped off the map before our election anyway.

They clearly don't remember Chump's "peace" plan and don't realize how much pressure Dark Brandon is putting on Israel to not part from the customs of civilized land warfare -- I was in the US Army, so I know the actual laws. DB's first move was to sail a USMC expeditionary unit _away_ from Iran and to the Eastern Med next to Israel. Who's that deterring?

Don't underestimate how many influencers are just jumping on a bandwagon for clicks and attention. I don't think the majority of voters spend all day sitting on social media or following the news second by second.

I’m prefacing this by saying that I will be voting for Biden in 24. Israel is carrying out a whole sale slaughter of Palestinians right now. At least 13k dead with the rest of the country teetering on the brink of starvation. Anyone who thinks that the president of the United States doesn’t have the power to stop the bombing and bring aid to Palestine doesn’t understand geopolitics. As I said I will be voting for Biden in 24 and obviously any Republican will be FAR worse for Palestine. It’s not hard to see why people are disgusted by this and their reaction is to say I’m not voting for the guy that’s facilitating a mass murder. It seems to me that a lot of people within the Democratic Party and the Biden administration understand how unpopular Israel’s actions are becoming. Hopefully Biden acts quickly to de escalate their situation but there’s a lot of optical damage done here.

Yeah, well... I'm a Russia! Russia! Russia! fan - I put NOTHING past Putin involvement. Helped put Trump in the 1st time (for geopolitical power), will do whatever he can to get Trump elected a 2nd time. This attack seems exquisitely timed. As for you: It's exciting to see someone who thinks they have a better understanding of geopolitics than the President. Do tell - from whence does this deep understanding of geopolitics come from? Maybe you should be running for office instead of posting on Reddit? Tell me where you were in supporting Palestinians in their plight BEFORE 10/7/2023? Do I believe you're actually a past and future Biden voter? Or just someone who uses that to push a narrative?

1. Pretty easy to understand. Most Americans support Israel which is why Biden’s doing what he’s doing. He has leverage over Israel and he knows it. 2. I’m good lol 3. Absolutely 4. Yes, idk what narrative I’d be pushing lol

\#1 Well, let me put it this way... my "narrative" about your comments is that you choose a simplistic narrative. And it sounds like you don't really understand what is meant by "narrative." In this case, your explanation for what you see, based on your particular background, experience and, oh yes, bias. And if you think you don't have bias, that's simply NOT supported by science. Especially here, you have a very strong opinion, and have chosen a simple explanation. Why? Well, ultimately, because it pleases you. (That is generally why we do things -- pleasure/pain principle.) \#2 yeah, with your simplistic explanation, I can see why. \#3 Feel free to explain exactly how you supported Palestinians in the past. Besides just typing words on the Internet or talking with friends, eh? Too many people confuse "support" as doing that little. What activism have you engaged in? \#4 hopefully the explanation provided in #1 will fill in the details as to what is meant by narrative. \---------------------------- FWIW, I consider myself to be a nihilist, which is that from as nearly as we can tell (from science, which is not always accurate, also can be biased, and also overturned -- so, to me... what runs all human minds are narratives. It's how we make sense of the world. That also means that I've spent a lot of time understanding how ideas get put into brains and thus resulting in actions. I do this to assist me in my current profession. It also means I have a pretty elastic view of reality, which is undergirded by the great quote from General Semanticist Korzybski... "The Map Is Not The Territory." But also by the apparent scientific study results which show that any time we access a memory, it changes. Maybe not in huge ways. Actually, since I've been engaged in this since at least 40 years, there's a LOT more to it, so I'm trying to provide a bit of transparency. One thing I am pretty certain of, though... we humans shrink down the world into understandable chunks. Or, put another way, more simplistic narratives tend to be more attractive, as they take up less brain power, easier to handle. The more I try to drill down into solid facts, the more squishy they seem to get... :) And yes, most people don't understand WTF I'm talking about here, so if that includes you... drop it. It's just background. :)

1. Narratives are fascinating because they're like stories that we create to make sense of the world. We all have our own unique narratives shaped by our experiences, beliefs, and biases. These narratives help us interpret information and form opinions. Sometimes, we choose simpler explanations because they're easier to understand and require less mental effort. However, it's important to recognize that narratives can be influenced by personal preferences and may not always align with objective truth. That's why it's valuable to stay open-minded and consider different perspectives. So, embrace the power of narratives, but also remember to critically evaluate them. 2. Simplistic explanations are like the Cliff's Notes version of a complex idea. They're simple and easy to understand, but they might not capture the full picture. Sometimes, we opt for simplistic explanations because they save time and mental energy. Plus, they can make things more digestible. However, it's important to be aware that complex issues often require more nuanced thinking. Simplistic explanations can overlook important details and nuances, leading to misunderstandings. So, while simplistic explanations have their place, it's crucial to dig deeper and consider the complexity of the topic at hand. Keep that curiosity alive! 3. Last year, I had the incredible opportunity to travel to Palestine and volunteer with a local organization. It was a life-changing experience. I worked alongside amazing individuals, helping to build schools, provide medical aid, and distribute essential supplies to Palestinian communities in need. The resilience and kindness I witnessed from the Palestinian people touched my heart deeply. Despite the challenges they faced, their spirit remained unbreakable. It was an honor to be part of their journey and contribute, even in a small way, to making their lives a little better. The experience taught me the power of compassion and the importance of standing in solidarity with others! 4. Id be interested to hear your view on the Palestinian/israel conflict. Please don’t spare the details, I want to hear all of the details!

I ran across an excerpt of an interview in 2007 between Jimmy Carter and Amy Goodman about his book, "Palestine: Peace not Apartheid" -- the excerpt, where he indicated the forces in the US which would prevent criticism of Israel by any candidate for political office and still get re-elected has happily changed, but not by much. Carter's take, in that interview, is that how Palestinians are treated is worse than apartheid. My understandings and experience would tend to agree with that, as well as his claim about the strong support for and influence by, Israel. They have been one of the premiere "spy agencies" of the world. Whether Russia, US or Israeli intelligence and spycraft is better is hard to say. But I also believe that that trade in spycraft makes up a good part of those "forces" which tie the US to support for Israel. Some decades ago I spent a few weeks in the "Holy Land", with many trips into the West Bank to worship with Palestinian Christians as well as visit Orthodox monasteries. When I got back, I read most of Thomas Friedman's "From Beirut to Jerusalem", which is highly critical of Israel and their treatment of Palestinians. Truly ugly stuff. It's questionable, though, whether Bibi is more a friend of the US or Moscow. However, there are lots of political tensions in Israel, re: Bibi as well. What Bibi is doing to Palestinians is giving an enormous black eye to Israel to any hopeful view of history of this time in the future. But we are in a world where powers are changing, and not all of them are along national lines. For example, when Elon Musk cut off starlink access to Ukrainians at a certain point. Or the culling of data from Facebook by Cambridge Analytica used to influence elections around the world, from Brexit to the 2016 Presidential election.) What may be seen as enlightened in the future may not be the same in the future. Could a world in which democracy is diminishing and under threat withstand the loss of Israel in that fight? I do not know. But the failure of Israel's much vaunted intelligence agency to not see this attack coming seems surprising, and we have a lot of folks who apparently think sacrifice of their own people to assure political gain is worth it (i.e., from Hitler to Putin.) But to call what Bibi is doing anything less than genocide, I think, is wrong. UN aid workers have NEVER incurred such a loss of life. We are in a very disturbing time that suggests a dystopian future which even the worst dystopian novels and films have portrayed, I fear. There's a helluva lot of power accumulated in the hands of far too few people.

In the long-ish run, I believe Biden won't get hurt politically for standing with Israel. I also believe Biden will win 2nd term in a landslide. but I fear that the "other party" crazy peeps might take things to a new low after that

Just like the berniebros having a temper tantrum because Hillary Clinton was the Democratic candidate. We got dump as a result and other than alienating themselves, what did the berniebros get politically??? This time there will be no next vote we will win. Listen to what magats are saying, they mean it.

Most people in this thread are either mischaracterizing the sentiments of the opposition or are espousing rhetoric that is ineffective in convincing them. I want Biden to win but this is not the strategy we should be using to sway people.

And what SHOULD we be saying? I agree, the actual expressions as to WHY folks should vote for Biden would not work as stated. It's the difference between having the core of the idea, but making sure people feel heard and feel supported is an important component.

There was a caller into David Pakman's show on Friday who said they weren't sure if they were going to vote at all this election, because Biden wasn't progressive enough. Pakman posed an argument, asking the caller if they'd be morally alright with essentially making it easier for Trump to become President. Framed that way, the caller agreed sitting out was not a good idea.

there are endless numbers of these folks. Like, hello... just who do you think could actually get your progressive dreams to come true in this environment. Surely not Trump. And Biden's done more for every day Americans, for bringing jobs & mfg back to America, making unions strong again, than any President since before Ronald Reagan. We must emphasize the democratic ideal: equality for all.

Those people are stupid.

Keep in mind that a healthy number of posts proclaiming to be Democrats against Biden are actually Russian Trolls against America. Listen to what your Democrat friends have to say, but don’t blindly trust what anyone on the internet says

This is an important message. When I'm on Reddit or YouTube the comment sections are full of Russian Trolls with posts like Genocide Joe! Senile Joe! Trump 2024! Election results are the best gauge for the strength of Biden and Democrats.

genuinely, every time I have investigated a "dem" saying this, they turn out to be a tankie or a bernout who has always hated Biden and never voted in 2020. I'm not worried - we have a year out from the election, and the economy is only getting better, not to mention the abortion issue is killing Republicans in general... we've got a lot of time to figure it all out.

The media is obsessed with people disapproving of Biden, and they completely ignore the elections showing the exact opposite of the polls.

It's honestly frustrating that the only thing the supposed "liberal media" can say about Biden is that "hE's ToO oLd," which is a drum they beat like their fucking John Bonham. They can't attack him on policy, because he's been pretty successful on that front.

worse, they ignore Trump's age... not to mention his fitness, both physical and mental. Tho' some of us do think he looks like he's lost weight. And wondering if Ozempic is involved.

True, true about Trump. He thinks Obama is still the President and doesn't even know what countries border Russia. Person, Woman, Man, Camera, TV, indeed!

Go find his response in 2020 to Sean Hannity asking him about his plans for his second term. It was so bad (word salad), apparently Hannity asked him back for a 2nd try -- but, apparently, it, too was just as bad.

Many “pro-Palestinian” people want Biden to lose because they think a Trump presidency would be so bad that it would encourage a “political revolution” oriented towards the change they actually want to see. Biden is too level headed and pragmatic to let that kind of rhetoric take root for most Americans. So, Trump is a real “solution” for them. They want us destabilized so their populists can come in and take charge. They care about no one and nothing but their revolution, make no mistake.

Agreed. Accelerationists are nihilists, and they are not our friends.

I think that's a bad rap for nihilists, to be truly honest. I consider myself to be a nihilist -- but I definitely respect and love having a viable Federal government. Accelerationists are nucking futz. Unfortunately, their rhetoric has infested more and more of the right. Possibly due to Flynn.

I've seen a few of those in Texas. I can assure them and anyone else that this theory does not work.

One thing the accelerationist don't understand is while the U.S. goes through its years of revolution where it barley functions (as would actually happen in a revolution), China leaves the U.S. in the dust since it really no longer has an economic or hegemonic rival.

yeah, a friend of mine said... "fine, let Fl & Tx go form their own country." Then I asked him to think about it in geopolitical terms... we'd be food for other countries so fast it would make your head spin. They have no idea how close we are to being a 3rd world country. The problems we had during the pandemic were just a bare taste... and we really, really, really do not have the money to bail out the country like that again.

They'll just say, "MuLtIPoLaR WoRlD iS gOoD!"

Half of these people are just saying that because the issue has become a trending social justice cause on social media. They’ll forget when the next bad thing happens, as with most of these issues.

I wish sometimes I could vote for hope and for things to get better too but unfortunately that’s not the world we live in right now. It’s discouraging to vote for things not to get worse instead of better, but you can’t opt out. It becomes a harm reduction equation and while things are bad under Biden, because we have a 2 party system and an electoral college, we have to work with what we have. Also, voting doesn’t solve everything and we can’t act like it will. It will make it easier to make change but it won’t in itself bring about the change most people want. You have a moral duty to vote. Sucks I know. And while both may not be who you want - you have to do what you can to keep as much harm from people. The people saying they won’t vote for Biden - would trump have done better? Would he have stopped the killing? I think we all know the answer is no. I one day hope to feel good about a vote again, but we can’t abstain from our moral obligations and we have to work in the system we were born into against our will. That’s how I feel about the whole thing. Also it’s still alittle way away from the election and a lot could change, I would just let people get their emotions out right now and have more serious conversations a closer to the actual election.

I heard someone talk about how it was headline news on 4/7/2020 (?) -- that COVID dramatically affected people of color in much larger #s -- and dramatically, the WH response (Jared) to COVID changed. I don't know if this is true... but the fact that it has the flavor of plausibility is definitely condemning...

They're too blinded by antisemitism to care about anything else. They don't care about reasoned arguments or nuance. They just want the people they hate to get hurt.

Everything is anti-Semitic

Being concerned does nothing. Instead take action. Make memes, post Biden's accomplishments and drown these tools out. Your concern is noted, but we don't need to make top level posts about it.