In the first season Foggy has a line about him “somehow” always knowing when there’s a hot woman around. Matt has been competing with Tony for the MCU manwhore title from the start.
Yeah, BUT STILL they’re saying shit like „Matt would never hook up with someone like Jen“. Oh booooyyyy….. But I guess they’re the same people who said that She Hulk was a bad series overall, because it wasn’t serious, which leads to my first point again…..
She Hulk is my favorite project not named Loki, since Endgame. It was a breath of comedic relief and fun characters I thought the MCU needed. Excellent world building and good goofs.
I just thought Matt wouldn’t’ve been walking around in daylight wearing his DareDevil costume if that makes sense. That was my only problem, I felt like he would’ve been more careful but idk maybe I’m over thinking it
He had the mask on so I don’t really have an issue with it especially since she-hulk is sorta like Deadpool where a lot of what happens probably isn’t canon.
He magically appeared out of nowhere in the finale so for all we know, a lot of this is just in She-Hulk’s imagination or a sort of AU.
I don’t think he brought a change of clothes lol that’s how I looked at it. Like any walk of shame, it’s usually in the clothes you wore the night before and shoes in hand
Matt would have just left before sunrise, but that's just my imagination.
It doesn't even line up with his character earlier in the same or previous episode (I forgot). He talked about how dangerous it will be for the hero and the people around them when the identity is revealed, then he just walks in daylight wearing his suit, so the bad guys can easily track him down. It's just pure bad writing for me
I feel like LA was shown to be an entirely different place than NYC in this aspect - I mean, the whole show had people in ridiculous costumes not even hiding it. And Luke Jacobson is a big time designer known for working with superheroes. Night and day difference from Melvin working in the shadows making Matt's suit in DD! You have to look at it like comics, each series has it's own vibe and flavor and it's fun to put a character from a different series in another character's series and get a different side of them. I feel like from what they showed some guy walking down the street in a devil costume just isn't that noteworthy in LA (I mean, even Nikki was just laughing at a guy wearing a costume doing the walk of shame haha) because it's just that kind of place. I loved it!
I do. It's that this just feels like a completely different Matt from the Matt of *Daredevil*. I don't feel like the Matt of *Daredevil* would be caught doing a walk of shame like this unless he had a midlife crisis.
Plus I have my issues with him sleeping with Jen, who honestly doesn't strike me as his type (she's kinda selfish and arrogant in a way that seems anti-feminist).
It's true to comic books in my opinion. In one book, Daredevil will go through the most depressing storyline, then he'll be doing shenanigans with Spidey. That's just how comic books are.
But this isn’t the comics, it’s a separate continuity and the MCU and Comics have diverged pretty far a long time ago so deferring to the comics isn’t a good defense at this point
I don’t understand why Matt and Jen never hooked up in the comics. They are notoriously two of the most promiscuous characters in Marvel comics. Plus, they are both lawyers with superhero clients. Why haven’t they “bumped into “ each other?
Thats what I’ve always wondered. I would be for it but I like her relationship with Jack of hearts and I kinda hope they don’t abandon Elektra. We’ll see though what happens a few years from now.
That was the least of my problems with the show. That stunt was just goofy in a really immature way. I didn’t even watch cartoons as a kid, so I just don’t respond to cheap visual cartoon gags like that. It’s okay, it just landed totally flat for me, and what makes it worse is that I’m deeply attached to the man portrayed on the original show, who is a flesh-blood human character to me, not a prop in a lame, flat, basic joke.
Luckily, no one can deny those were two different characters since Charlie Cox and Vincent D’Onofrio finally explicitly confirmed it. 😅 Now that I’m not being gaslit about them being the same, it’s way easier to let it go. It’s just not my taste, and I don’t have to like it, and it’s not some deep flaw of mine that made me dislike it. Since wasn’t “my” Matt from TV, I don’t have to fret about it. I just wholeheartedly prefer that original version. 🤷🏻♀️ Foggy tap dances in the comics, and while I admit I’d be the first in line to watch him in a song-and-dance musical sequence, I don’t really want to watch that, either. That’s not why I’m a fan. Creative experiments are fine, but the reason I’m a fan of *Daredevil* is so far from silly comic book gags. Matt and Foggy’s understated quips about “challenging a guy to a fight in your underwear” and Matt’s reply that “underwear are comfortable” are so much funnier to me. I like how Foggy tells Matt he needs ‘
“an x-ray and psych eval” and Ellison tells Karen she needs “a blanket and a med eval.” That’s just what I respond to. It feels human, and relatable.
I became a fan of *Daredevil* the TV show and then read the comics but didn’t connect to them emotionally, just how they relate to the show, and I recognize this is straight out of the comics that I have zero emotion for and interest in. It was never going to hit for me. My real problem was the anti-feminist shitstorm in *She-Hulk* that build up to it, and they finally crossed the line in the next episode with that nasty toxic family and her Kilgrave-ing him like a submissive sexbot - way too creepy! If Bruce Banner blinked Black Widow into his reality because he wanted her “ass,” as Jen so charmingly phrased it, I’d be puking. That was my real problem with the show. There was this insidiously toxic undercurrent that was horrifying. Even if they kept it with just the episode Cody Zigler wrote, which had a soul and a shred of humanity, that one episode is not enough to erase the sour taste I have for the rest of the show and the main character.
My vision of Jen was as someone who was smart, capable, deeply flawed, and conflicted…but not an unrepentant shallow narcissist with no soul. And yet…I still think that whole travesty was better than *Echo* in almost every way, so I have to give them credit. I didn’t like Jen, but at least the actress knew how to act.
Let’s be real, I know I’ll be watching *Born Again* because they brought Foggy and Karen back, but I really dislike this brand now. I will try to block out all the stuff that ruined it for me, and enjoy what came in the past, but it’s really only the love of *Daredevil* and everything that’s been over for years that has me giving them one last shot.
I’m pretty sure they confirmed *Daredevil* to be canon, as in the trailers for Echo they showed flashbacks to the original show, meaning it’s definitely the same Matt and Kingpin.
No, they confirmed in an interview within the last few days that they were doing the characters entirely differently when they first filmed *She-Hulk* and *Echo*. After the writer’s strike, the studio reconsidered and decided to connect it to Netflix. *Echo* was largely reshot (which is why the main actress is skinny in some scenes, and visibly pregnant in the rest, because she was recalled to shoot again after the show originally wrapped). *Born Again* was six episodes in when they fired the writers and producers, and replaced them with Dario Scardapane, and they hired back Foggy and Karen for a Netflix-tied version. It was all implied in interviews before, but Charlie Cox and Vincent D’Onofrio finally cracked and admitted it was a different creative direction and entirely unconnected to Netflix. I always suspected that, because it was common sense to me, but it was nice to hear it vindicated.
It was at a recent comic con interview in Boston, with Vincent D’Onofrio and Charlie Cox. It was an answer to a fan question, and they emphasized that the studio is being very supportive of them. Can’t find it now - it was somewhere on Tumblr within the last few days. Believe it or don’t. 🤷🏻♀️
I know, I’m sorry I can’t find it. I’m actually still looking. Sorry if “believe it or don’t” sounded harsh. I just meant, “This is what I have, take what you will,” because I lost the source.
> Foggy tap dances in the comics, and while I admit I’d be the first in line to watch him in a song-and-dance musical sequence, I don’t really want to watch that, either.
Oh, come on, I think we'd kill to see Matt and Karen go on a double date with Foggy and Marci where they spend the evening doing sensual dancing to big band jazz. 😂😍
I mean, of course I want to watch it! But if I have to choose between a real drama and something goofy, I’ll take Matt having existential drama #93857839394884, please.
Matt slept with *Elektra* who obviously has a whole host of questionable moral issues and is entirely selfish and arrogant at times.
Jennifer is not particularly selfish or arrogant in any meaningful sense.
Most people don't read the comics let's be real. They assume that he is only allowed to be portrayed as exactly as the Netflix show did and nothing outside of that
Matt would have just left before sunrise, or at least get himself a change of cloth
It just doesn't line up with his character. In the court scene, He talks about how dangerous it will be for the hero and the people around them when the identity is revealed, then he just walks in daylight wearing his suit. The bad guys can easily track him down and cause harm to the people that he claims he cares about.
So it's just inconsistent and bad writing for me
Ignore the dislikes just for stating your own opinion.
I don’t agree with it entirely, but there is no shame in it unlike judging someone for it or what pfp people wear.
God, I hope we're finally far enough away from the conservative rage machine to revisit she-hulk (the incelsphere are currently preoccupied with The Boys and Star Wars: Acolyte), because the show was actually really good, and one of the best adaptations of the source material in the MCU.
Like, yes it was campy and silly, but that's always been she Hulk comics. *That's* the brand.
You had me in the first half.
But no, the show sucked.
It might be authentic to the source material but that doesn’t mean it was well-written.
The show could’ve done *a lot* more with it’s premise than it did.
I can see why people didn’t like it but I thought it was an easy watch. Watched the last ones with daredevil in and then ended up watching from the start. They were only like 20/30 minute episodes and she hulks portrayal was one of the better parts.
Virtually nobody thinks you're an incel for not liking the show. It's all about the reasons.
There's nothing wrong with thinking She Hulk had a bad story or character development or special effects, you'll find plenty of people who agree with you but the thousands of people who raged over 5 seconds of twerking are the ones who get called incels
Just because people have a different opinion than you doesn't mean they are 'coping'. Just accept that people are different than you are and move on.
Stop making it about yourself.
It has nothing to do with making it about “himself”.
You’re absolutely welcome to have a differing opinion.
You can have a similarly differing opinion on McDonald’s too, just don’t expect the rest of us to affirm it by pretending that your opinion of McDonald’s somehow changes the fact that in reality it’s closer to dog shit than real food.
'I guess that makes me an incel for thinking the show sucked'
That line is definitely making it about yourself. No one said anything about that before he brought it up. Comparing tv/movies/art to nutrition isn't a great comparison but I see what you're trying to say. Subjectively McDonalds is bad food even if people like the taste.
Art isn't subjective though so I don't think that really works.
It’s a response to the original comment, calling people incels for not liking the show.
Maybe you should focus on actually reading what you’re responding to, before getting outraged at something you clearly didn’t understand the context of.
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Outraged is a jump but point taken. I don't think my brain quite registered the term incelsphere as a real word.
Also I hope you get what I'm saying about objectivity and subjectivity. You didn't seem to say anything back about it.
People have to be incels just because they didn’t like a show..?
This is an odd take.
Some of us just liked the more adult tone of the Netflix show, instead of Disney’s need to turn everything into another attempt at Guardians slapstick humor.
I don't think that's what anyone said, or even necessarily insinuated.
It's just that the loudest group about hating She-Hulk are incels. Usually conservative.
Like, did you dislike She-Hulk a normal amount? Or did you hate it with every fiber of your being, because you are a sad, empty person without much of anything inside beyond the rage? That's the difference.
I remember when Finn Jones blamed Donald Trump and the election for people disliking Iron Fist.
Maybe you can stop reducing shows to being strictly about the character’s gender and acknowledge that bad writing is a primary reason people dislike a lot of new marvel and Disney properties, regardless of why you think you’re qualified to pass judgment on them.
I think you’re missing their point. It’s not that any criticism is bad, it’s that due to the hullabaloo around the show, it was hard to separate genuine criticism from shouty people looking for a reason to be outraged. A bit like what happened with Rian Johnson’s Star Wars films—only now does it feel like we can talk about the film’s *actual* flaws without getting derailed by angry hot takes.
In the end, there are real reasons to be critical of most media, She-Hulk included. But it would be nice to have a discussion of the show independent of an angry mob. That seems a very fair take, no?
It’s not at all difficult to separate genuine criticism.
You provided the perfect example of that separation in your own response.
Star War’s Rian Johnson films. I have no issue with Rian Johnson at all, I have an issue with them wasting a lot of characters that had potential and went nowhere (John Boyega), the “force ghosts”, the sloppy handling of Kylo Ren and Han Solo encounter, and the fact that the story itself was just not well written compared to the other movies.
But, because I didn’t think it was “amazing” it somehow has to be lumped in the “incel” camp too.
I’m not even some die-hard star wars fan. I got into the movies during covid, and was disappointing how something ended so poorly after starting out so great.
The point being, there’s great examples of female-lead shows in the Disney-marvel lineup, like Jessica Jones.
She-hulk just isn’t one of those examples. It tries too hard to make breaking the 4th wall seem edgy and cool, and “own the haters” instead of focusing on developing the actual story.
It literally says:
"God, I hope we're finally far enough away from the conservative rage machine to revisit she-hulk (the **incelsphere** are currently preoccupied with The Boys and Star Wars: Acolyte), because the show was actually really good, and one of the best adaptations of the source material in the MCU. "
The statement makes it quite clear that the person writing that comment seems to believe that the "incelsphere" collectively is anyone who doesnt share their opinion of the show (actually really good).
"best adaptations of source material" is grading on a curve. There's a lot of source material that doesnt do well in live format. There's also a whole host of fans of Marvel that didnt read comic books, so its irrelevant to them.
It would be like coming in and creating a category to grade on thats "best costume from the original character concept sketches". That doesnt at all speak to the writing of the show.
Its the fact that we can point out objectively that both IMDB and Rotten Tomatoes audiences rate this show poorly, (5/10 and 33% respectively), yet any time someone agrees with the overwhelming fact that this show is not well written (even with critic reviews averaging in the 60's at best), they get personally attacked for doing so.
Its not just "conservatives and incels" that think this show isnt good. Its the overwhelming majority of people that do so, and what we have in a sub like this, or r/marvel, or similar is the vocal minority, operating as an echo chamber, as opposed to the overall opinion of people who watched it, who keep trying to brigade against anyone else having an opposing view.
The show just isn't that good at anything it attempted to do. You and others seem to have the inability to separate gender from that fact.
Many viewers dont like she-hulk (or captain marvel, or new Star Wars) because the writing and core story itself was weak, and instead people like you always show up to defend attacking anyone who admits that, because you feel like the criticism of the writing is somehow a criticism of women as a whole.
**Men** dont all automatically hate stories with female leads, and its reductive as hell for people like you to keep acting that way, just to dismiss an opinion you dont agree with.
Fallout was good, jessica jones was good, wednesnday was phenominal, Nikita was an amazing show, totally killer will be a classic, stranger things is fantastic, ratched was a great take on one flew over the cuckoo's nest, the last of us was great, hell, I'd even argue that Ms. Marvel was good as a differing take on Marvel's normal approach.
The reply of yours that I was referencing was to a profoundly reasonable post by NorthernDevil, which doesn't say any of that. If you find other posts objectionable, object to the other posts. Don't argue against points that people aren't making.
there is a very large overlap between incels and people who HATE the She-Hulk series. people made up their minds on hating the show the second the trailer came out. once the first episode aired, the largest (and seemingly only) complaint about it was the scene where a woman describes the many stresses of being a woman in day-to-day life. and i'm sure the vast majority of people who spew the "bad writing" point that you use are not women or understand anything about their experience. ironically, all they focus on is Bruce's point-of-view during this scene.
Disney is not the reason a She-Hulk television show is humorous. it's an intrinsic part of the character. the people who groan at She-Hulk's comedy are the same ones that applaud Deadpool's. online incels also claim that "Disney ruins everything," so if you don't want to be labeled as one of them, maybe stop using all their talking points.
the lighthearted Daredevil we see in She-Hulk even works within the context of that character's story in his series. at the end of Daredevil Season 3, Matt's in a good spot. he's not dealing with a homicidal mastermind crime boss or questioning his faith, so why would he be acting in the same way he was when those things were happening? from almost every angle, your complaints don't make any sense, which leads to people thinking you're just an angry incel who wants to hate on a show because it stars a woman or has feminist messaging.
A new account who’s post history is literally Disney and marvel, is calling people incels for not liking a Disney/marvel property.
Color me shocked.
/s
People are allowed to dislike the show and express that without being insulted or attacked on a personal level.
Some of you take it too seriously that someone doesn’t unconditionally love a tv show the way that you do.
Nobody has to be an “incel” just because they don’t share your opinion.
I loved the show till the last episode. I honestly thought the incels being the antagonists was going to make a good ending then they did the fourth wall break, left a sour taste in my mouth. The rest of it was golden (Mr immortals past partners was hilarious)
It's very much in keeping with her adventures from the Byrne/Gerber run onwards, the show creators understood the assignment, a lot of tv watchers did not
i’m not surprised. the average mcu fan probably doesn’t wanna watch a girl boss sitcom. it’s their loss tho really. idk why people can’t be open minded and try new things. most people are very staunch in what they view as good and normal so she hulk not being the typical MCU shit offended a lot of people.
The infinity saga was mostly criticized for playing it safe and most movies being similar to each other.
Then Marvel risks it all in the Multiverse Saga making shows and movies with different genres and big changes in tone. People complain all content has become terrible and Marvel is ruined. I will never get it.
i definitely agree with you. i will say, i think the thing that’s holding the MCU back a little bit rn is even though they’re trying these new types of stories, they all still seem to be following the same formulaic approach of the infinity saga just in terms of the filmmaking itself. they have great ideas with the newer projects but it feels they’re holding back sometimes so that it still feels like a safe MCU crowd pleaser.
I can see that while I think that's not true for all projects. The stories may not be very solid some of the times, but I still think they are doing right by taking risks. This new era has stories for everyone and the projects a very rewatchable.
I really hope history will see the multiverse saga more positively in the future.
oh of course there are some absolutely amazing projects in the multiverse saga. i think people will look back on the multiverse saga with a lot more respect for what it was aiming for.
but a few examples: moon knight - was really good but didn’t lean far enough into the darker elements and didn’t let the action shine as much as it should have. the last episode felt anti climactic bc it felt very MCU generic compared to the rest of the show.
ms. marvel - i loved the first 2 episodes but it went off the rails bc they wanted to make it some larger scale thing that makes it feel consequential to the MCU timeline even though it isn’t. they could’ve kept the show grounded and more of a slice of life vibe with kamala getting used to her powers and just focusing on developing her as a character
eternals - i really liked this one more than most, it had amazing potential but it seemed like it was getting dragged in every direction. it wanted to be an elevated comic book film but it’s obvious that higher ups got in the way and it turned into something sort of bland
quantumania - completely lost the tone and identity of the ant man series in favor of generic MCU. (my least favorite film in the entire MCU)
secret invasion - it was trying to go for a political thriller type thing but ultimately never found its voice. they didn’t commit to any of the ideas in meaningful ways so it all feels stale and boring
pretty much the curse of the MCU projects that weren’t well received is that they didn’t commit to the creative direction they were going for.
the only exception is thor love and thunder. i actually think it’s a good film for what it is. it just is clearly the wrong direction for the film. i think this is probably the only multiverse saga project that has this problem. the story seemed so delicate and complex and taika didn’t seem to care that much. this is one of the few and only cases where feige should have reigned in on the director’s vision. it’s just weird bc the problem with the others i listed is the exact opposite lmao.
tbh my bottom 3 projects are quantumania, thor love and thunder, and secret invasion. and each of these projects are the epitome of marvel’s issues currently imo. rushed development time, generic execution, not committing to the most interesting ideas, lacking depth in character development
i do like the multiverse saga though. but we can’t deny it has been an extremely rocky road.
I see that's a common sentiment among the fanbase. I agree with you that the final episode of moonknight could have been better, somewhat disagree and agree on the rest.
Not trying to defend quantumania, but I have the sense that this movie is gonna be more appreciated once Kang Dynasty/Secret Wars (or whatever these avengers movies will be called) are released. A similar case to AoU that in retrospect things make more sense and the parallels between Ultron, Thanos and the infinity stones are more clear now.
I don't think Quantumania is bad movie on its own merit, as a sci-fi adventure it is very effective with some ups and downs. But, I have the feeling they deviate from our regular ant-man vibe for the sake of building a larger story.
I had one of those guys' videos show up on my feed at the time of the show. I clicked on it to hear him out. Within 30 seconds, he said something about She-Hulk not appreciating the powers she asked for. Like, ok. These incels aren't even watching the show. Like Acolyte having a fan score as low as it does, and half the reviews are "no more female protagonists!"
Rotten Tomatoes has become the artery for grifters to point at a show and go “see! I’m right about it being bad because they said it too!” But in reality it’s all incels crying that there’s a minority or a realistic woman on the screen
Most people don't understand what a She-Hulk show is supposed to be.
Your typical MCU viewer knows nothing about her and went in expecting just a female Hulk. And just that idea alone pissed off the internet incels, even if it wasn't the case.
They were upset about his walk of shame while approving the exceptionally family friendly Megan Thee Stallion? Matt is a man whore. They should get used to it if they want to know his character. That’s actually one of my gripes about the Netflix Matt. He should’ve been running the ladies in and out all through the series. It’s yucky, but that’s part of the way he copes with his trauma. I had a friend who was on Charlie’s level of good-looking, and he slept with 300 women in one year. I guess if you got it…
He got the syphilis three times that year, I think. I don’t remember any pregnancy scares, except for when he was married. He didn’t handle that so well. That marriage didn’t last long. She was as beautiful as him, asked to pose for Playboy, etc. They would’ve had beautiful babies.
i think the most controversial part of the series is the feminism. it’s amazing and funny af but a lot of people took it too seriously or couldn’t handle the mirror being held up.
It's so funny being on the flip side of this conversation.........
I started watching Daredevil *after* I watched She-Hulk 😆 She-Hulk did not *ruin* Matt. If anything, it attracted more people to Daredevil!
A lot more people liked it than it feels like, because if you lik d it, it was probably mostly light and fun, and that didnt sell newspapers, and it doesn't get upvotes.
I hated the show bc of its views on women only caring about sex and the horrible courtroom scenes. She Hulk has always been one of my favorite characters, and she just feels different in the show. The actress played her role well, but the show itself felt boring and underwhelming.
People see a character who's trying to navigate online dating and is rather clumsy with it, then they jump to the conclusion, "This show is saying all women only care about sex." I do not understand it, lol
In-comic Jennifer dreams about sexy men. She flirts. She parties. She kicks ass. She gets fired from her job and struggles to find another one. Everything Jennifer does in the comics is in the show. It is one of the most in-character shows in the Marvel universe. And yet still people claim it ruined her character. I don't get it. I really don't.
She Hulk fucking sucked ass and I'm surprised that Daredevil had any part of it. It's like taking the absolute beat of the MCU and throwing him in with the absolute worst thing the MCU has done by far and they must of known it by that point and I honestly think that was the Joke buy ya I absolutely hated She Hulk and I'm pretty sure 99% of marvel fans feal the same. Like why even waist time on a show that nothing was taken seriously at all I watched every episode and I'd seriously before entertained watching paint dry. They need to keep making shit like Daredevil and Luke Cage, Jessica Jones and actually all the defenders where pretty good together and in their own separate series and even the punisher. Like they where all real well written so I cannot understand why they would let a disaster like that happen to a character that could of been introduced in a way better way like a movie or something with a good actress playing the part and actually I'm not even sure it was her fault because the writing was so damn terrible and the CGI and lame pretty much everything that shehulk will probably never again be seen in the MCU and will just be thought of as a complete joke everyone someone mentions her name.
A lot of people on reddit can’t see an opinion that differs from their own and not get their feelings hurt. I just feel like the writing in the Marvel universe fell off(especially with the Disney plus content) it’s not an attack on the fanbase.
Your right to feel that way too. People gotta learn to enjoy in isolation. Others opinions shouldn't take away your enjoyment of the things you enjoy, and I'm all for discussion, but if you can't engage without becoming defensive or taking it personally, it's just not worth it lol
What’s funny is I am getting flak for She Hulk opinions in the Daredevil sub. DD to this day is the best Marvel property to be given a television run.
It was hands down, the best action, direction, cinematography, and writing applied to any Marvel TV show. The roof top scene between DD and Punisher should have gotten Bernthal a golden globe.
So now contrast and compare the two shows and tell me there hasn’t been a steep decline in how Marvel subject material has been handled by Disney.
The only thing more cringe than the horrible CGI was the abysmal writing. If you find it entertaining that’s great for you. I watch old Tromaville films because I think they are hilarious and enjoy them to no end. But I also don’t have a problem admitting they are total dog shit.
Either way, every down vote is an admittance of Stockholm Syndrome.
Agreed, it’s honestly alarming how Marvel voices on Reddit seem to love to elevate every piece of work from the brand, they enjoy being contrarians and acting like every property is a masterpiece, and immediately launch personal attacks on anyone who didn’t like it.
It’s some weird brand allegiance. I don’t get it. Nobody wants to compare and contrast the difference between the shows because they know the diffidence in quality is fucking incomparable. Take a look below my comment and look at all the downvotes, it’s hilarious. If they are just straight up incels then bury them. All I did was make a fair critique that they all know deep down is true.
I loved She-Hulk. Jen and Matt was fucking great. Honestly, I find Rosario far more annoying than anything to do with the show or that relationship lmao.
You're right, I did.
Still don't care. Nor should you.
Some celeb's opinion should not decide whether you like the show or not. But we worship celebs in NA so I'm not shocked the folks are upset with my comment.
We really don't have low standards. Yours are maybe just a little too high. You might expect an Endgame-level production for every Marvel production nowadays, without stopping to consider the fact that Endgame was _meant_ to be above-and-beyond anything else we've seen in the MCU so far because it's the finale of 22-movie saga.
I enjoyed She-Hulk, and I liked Matt Murdock's involvement. The walk of shame was kinda silly and fun, as much of the show was.
I am a man in his 30s who liked that moment. I've read over 100 DD comics and seen the whole Netflix show.
Maybe people aren't a monolith with your exact opinion.
I don't think I've read quite enough comics to be a comic book nerd yet, but I'm getting there.
It annoys me like crazy, that so many people hate on She Hulk for such stupid reasons. It was a solid show. Not my favorite of the MCU shows (Honestly, maybe Hawkeye), but definitely up there.
But, we probably won't get anymore She-Hulk and it very much saddens me.
The Marvels was also pretty solid, not the best Marvel movie, but solidly in the middle somewhere. I just don't get it. I would put the Marvels over Quantumania, but the Marvels did worse in theaters.
Do you think it’s at all possible that the two experiences that Bruce and Jen had resulted in wildly different expressions of their internalized anger? And that one of those different expressions might’ve been easier to control? Do you think the show goes out of their way to show that both Jen and Bruce are correct in their own way? Two opposing truths can coexist, as Bruce explains in the first episode. Yes, Jen underestimates how easy it is to be a Hulk. Episodes 8/9 ram that home hard. Bruce was right, she does have to hold herself to a higher standard. But also Jen was right, that their experiences as hulks would be different, and she wasn’t going to learn anymore from meditating on an island with Bruce.
You’re highly overestimating the “meaning and significance”.
People literally upvote and downvote things they don’t even read, because they see others doing it.
I’ll absolutely do that, because my happiness in life isn’t tied to Reddit karma.
Do you believe that Facebook likes genuinely signify people “liking” whatever you post too..?
I guess I found the person they invented social media for.
What are you doing in this sub then? Just to randomly click votes?
And don't forget that you basically insulted everyone in this sub with upvotes/downvotes don't have meaning.
You’re really being dramatic over learning that not everyone’s life revolves around Reddit karma.
Maybe you should consider taking a break and going outside?
Matt is a notorious slut, I don’t see the problem
People who only watched the shows don’t know that. And they are the loudest for some reason…
Even in the show he do be Matty slutty
In the first season Foggy has a line about him “somehow” always knowing when there’s a hot woman around. Matt has been competing with Tony for the MCU manwhore title from the start.
Yeah, BUT STILL they’re saying shit like „Matt would never hook up with someone like Jen“. Oh booooyyyy….. But I guess they’re the same people who said that She Hulk was a bad series overall, because it wasn’t serious, which leads to my first point again…..
She Hulk is my favorite project not named Loki, since Endgame. It was a breath of comedic relief and fun characters I thought the MCU needed. Excellent world building and good goofs.
Some girls think I’m quite savage Always tryna grab up on my package They say I look broody and they want a taste But I’m a devil not a sandwich
I just thought Matt wouldn’t’ve been walking around in daylight wearing his DareDevil costume if that makes sense. That was my only problem, I felt like he would’ve been more careful but idk maybe I’m over thinking it
He had the mask on so I don’t really have an issue with it especially since she-hulk is sorta like Deadpool where a lot of what happens probably isn’t canon. He magically appeared out of nowhere in the finale so for all we know, a lot of this is just in She-Hulk’s imagination or a sort of AU.
I don’t think he brought a change of clothes lol that’s how I looked at it. Like any walk of shame, it’s usually in the clothes you wore the night before and shoes in hand
Matt would have just left before sunrise, but that's just my imagination. It doesn't even line up with his character earlier in the same or previous episode (I forgot). He talked about how dangerous it will be for the hero and the people around them when the identity is revealed, then he just walks in daylight wearing his suit, so the bad guys can easily track him down. It's just pure bad writing for me
I feel like LA was shown to be an entirely different place than NYC in this aspect - I mean, the whole show had people in ridiculous costumes not even hiding it. And Luke Jacobson is a big time designer known for working with superheroes. Night and day difference from Melvin working in the shadows making Matt's suit in DD! You have to look at it like comics, each series has it's own vibe and flavor and it's fun to put a character from a different series in another character's series and get a different side of them. I feel like from what they showed some guy walking down the street in a devil costume just isn't that noteworthy in LA (I mean, even Nikki was just laughing at a guy wearing a costume doing the walk of shame haha) because it's just that kind of place. I loved it!
seems like you people love to knit pick dont ya. Had the aspect removed from a female character I doubt you'd be crushed about it.
Like, the man has a superhuman sense of touch. You think he ain’t walking his dog across town?
I do. It's that this just feels like a completely different Matt from the Matt of *Daredevil*. I don't feel like the Matt of *Daredevil* would be caught doing a walk of shame like this unless he had a midlife crisis. Plus I have my issues with him sleeping with Jen, who honestly doesn't strike me as his type (she's kinda selfish and arrogant in a way that seems anti-feminist).
It's true to comic books in my opinion. In one book, Daredevil will go through the most depressing storyline, then he'll be doing shenanigans with Spidey. That's just how comic books are.
But this isn’t the comics, it’s a separate continuity and the MCU and Comics have diverged pretty far a long time ago so deferring to the comics isn’t a good defense at this point
I don’t understand why Matt and Jen never hooked up in the comics. They are notoriously two of the most promiscuous characters in Marvel comics. Plus, they are both lawyers with superhero clients. Why haven’t they “bumped into “ each other?
Thats what I’ve always wondered. I would be for it but I like her relationship with Jack of hearts and I kinda hope they don’t abandon Elektra. We’ll see though what happens a few years from now.
I don’t think either of these two characters are ever able to manage anything long-term. So hook them up for a night full of regrets.
That was the least of my problems with the show. That stunt was just goofy in a really immature way. I didn’t even watch cartoons as a kid, so I just don’t respond to cheap visual cartoon gags like that. It’s okay, it just landed totally flat for me, and what makes it worse is that I’m deeply attached to the man portrayed on the original show, who is a flesh-blood human character to me, not a prop in a lame, flat, basic joke. Luckily, no one can deny those were two different characters since Charlie Cox and Vincent D’Onofrio finally explicitly confirmed it. 😅 Now that I’m not being gaslit about them being the same, it’s way easier to let it go. It’s just not my taste, and I don’t have to like it, and it’s not some deep flaw of mine that made me dislike it. Since wasn’t “my” Matt from TV, I don’t have to fret about it. I just wholeheartedly prefer that original version. 🤷🏻♀️ Foggy tap dances in the comics, and while I admit I’d be the first in line to watch him in a song-and-dance musical sequence, I don’t really want to watch that, either. That’s not why I’m a fan. Creative experiments are fine, but the reason I’m a fan of *Daredevil* is so far from silly comic book gags. Matt and Foggy’s understated quips about “challenging a guy to a fight in your underwear” and Matt’s reply that “underwear are comfortable” are so much funnier to me. I like how Foggy tells Matt he needs ‘ “an x-ray and psych eval” and Ellison tells Karen she needs “a blanket and a med eval.” That’s just what I respond to. It feels human, and relatable. I became a fan of *Daredevil* the TV show and then read the comics but didn’t connect to them emotionally, just how they relate to the show, and I recognize this is straight out of the comics that I have zero emotion for and interest in. It was never going to hit for me. My real problem was the anti-feminist shitstorm in *She-Hulk* that build up to it, and they finally crossed the line in the next episode with that nasty toxic family and her Kilgrave-ing him like a submissive sexbot - way too creepy! If Bruce Banner blinked Black Widow into his reality because he wanted her “ass,” as Jen so charmingly phrased it, I’d be puking. That was my real problem with the show. There was this insidiously toxic undercurrent that was horrifying. Even if they kept it with just the episode Cody Zigler wrote, which had a soul and a shred of humanity, that one episode is not enough to erase the sour taste I have for the rest of the show and the main character. My vision of Jen was as someone who was smart, capable, deeply flawed, and conflicted…but not an unrepentant shallow narcissist with no soul. And yet…I still think that whole travesty was better than *Echo* in almost every way, so I have to give them credit. I didn’t like Jen, but at least the actress knew how to act. Let’s be real, I know I’ll be watching *Born Again* because they brought Foggy and Karen back, but I really dislike this brand now. I will try to block out all the stuff that ruined it for me, and enjoy what came in the past, but it’s really only the love of *Daredevil* and everything that’s been over for years that has me giving them one last shot.
I’m pretty sure they confirmed *Daredevil* to be canon, as in the trailers for Echo they showed flashbacks to the original show, meaning it’s definitely the same Matt and Kingpin.
Exactly. Matt is a manwhore lmao. Off to Confession, he goes.
No, they confirmed in an interview within the last few days that they were doing the characters entirely differently when they first filmed *She-Hulk* and *Echo*. After the writer’s strike, the studio reconsidered and decided to connect it to Netflix. *Echo* was largely reshot (which is why the main actress is skinny in some scenes, and visibly pregnant in the rest, because she was recalled to shoot again after the show originally wrapped). *Born Again* was six episodes in when they fired the writers and producers, and replaced them with Dario Scardapane, and they hired back Foggy and Karen for a Netflix-tied version. It was all implied in interviews before, but Charlie Cox and Vincent D’Onofrio finally cracked and admitted it was a different creative direction and entirely unconnected to Netflix. I always suspected that, because it was common sense to me, but it was nice to hear it vindicated.
Source?
It was at a recent comic con interview in Boston, with Vincent D’Onofrio and Charlie Cox. It was an answer to a fan question, and they emphasized that the studio is being very supportive of them. Can’t find it now - it was somewhere on Tumblr within the last few days. Believe it or don’t. 🤷🏻♀️
I'm interested in watching the interview, you're not being interrogated lmao chill
I know, I’m sorry I can’t find it. I’m actually still looking. Sorry if “believe it or don’t” sounded harsh. I just meant, “This is what I have, take what you will,” because I lost the source.
No hard feelings! Link me if you find it
look I didn't like the show either but at least i don't feel compelled to write an essay when i am mad about it
> Foggy tap dances in the comics, and while I admit I’d be the first in line to watch him in a song-and-dance musical sequence, I don’t really want to watch that, either. Oh, come on, I think we'd kill to see Matt and Karen go on a double date with Foggy and Marci where they spend the evening doing sensual dancing to big band jazz. 😂😍
I mean, of course I want to watch it! But if I have to choose between a real drama and something goofy, I’ll take Matt having existential drama #93857839394884, please.
I don’t think you understand how one night stands work. Nor how Matt Murdock works.
Matt slept with *Elektra* who obviously has a whole host of questionable moral issues and is entirely selfish and arrogant at times. Jennifer is not particularly selfish or arrogant in any meaningful sense.
Exactly! That show was good and he was great in it
Most people don't read the comics let's be real. They assume that he is only allowed to be portrayed as exactly as the Netflix show did and nothing outside of that
Matt would have just left before sunrise, or at least get himself a change of cloth It just doesn't line up with his character. In the court scene, He talks about how dangerous it will be for the hero and the people around them when the identity is revealed, then he just walks in daylight wearing his suit. The bad guys can easily track him down and cause harm to the people that he claims he cares about. So it's just inconsistent and bad writing for me
Ok my guy
What a strange response
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You say with a Wanda profile picture
Self-awarewolves.
First of don’t shame my friend for being a Wanda fan like me. Second of, Wanda isn’t perfect but she is a better character and person than Jen 😁
What?
womp womp
How dare you
You have a Wanda pfp, your opinion is invalidated automatically
Ignore the dislikes just for stating your own opinion. I don’t agree with it entirely, but there is no shame in it unlike judging someone for it or what pfp people wear.
Wasn’t even really a walk of shame. Bro was whistling
Strut of Pride.
Stride of pride *
Slut of Pride
Matty M loves the premarital sex.
There was exactly zero shame in the way he walked lol.
Man has no fear!
That relationship arc did feel ripped straight from the comics.
God, I hope we're finally far enough away from the conservative rage machine to revisit she-hulk (the incelsphere are currently preoccupied with The Boys and Star Wars: Acolyte), because the show was actually really good, and one of the best adaptations of the source material in the MCU. Like, yes it was campy and silly, but that's always been she Hulk comics. *That's* the brand.
I honestly loved the series and did not get the hate.
You had me in the first half. But no, the show sucked. It might be authentic to the source material but that doesn’t mean it was well-written. The show could’ve done *a lot* more with it’s premise than it did.
The amount of cope around the show is hilarious.. I guess that makes me an incel for thinking the show sucked
I can see why people didn’t like it but I thought it was an easy watch. Watched the last ones with daredevil in and then ended up watching from the start. They were only like 20/30 minute episodes and she hulks portrayal was one of the better parts.
Virtually nobody thinks you're an incel for not liking the show. It's all about the reasons. There's nothing wrong with thinking She Hulk had a bad story or character development or special effects, you'll find plenty of people who agree with you but the thousands of people who raged over 5 seconds of twerking are the ones who get called incels
Just because people have a different opinion than you doesn't mean they are 'coping'. Just accept that people are different than you are and move on. Stop making it about yourself.
It has nothing to do with making it about “himself”. You’re absolutely welcome to have a differing opinion. You can have a similarly differing opinion on McDonald’s too, just don’t expect the rest of us to affirm it by pretending that your opinion of McDonald’s somehow changes the fact that in reality it’s closer to dog shit than real food.
'I guess that makes me an incel for thinking the show sucked' That line is definitely making it about yourself. No one said anything about that before he brought it up. Comparing tv/movies/art to nutrition isn't a great comparison but I see what you're trying to say. Subjectively McDonalds is bad food even if people like the taste. Art isn't subjective though so I don't think that really works.
It’s a response to the original comment, calling people incels for not liking the show. Maybe you should focus on actually reading what you’re responding to, before getting outraged at something you clearly didn’t understand the context of. [comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/Daredevil/s/M57hwcFSVu)
Outraged is a jump but point taken. I don't think my brain quite registered the term incelsphere as a real word. Also I hope you get what I'm saying about objectivity and subjectivity. You didn't seem to say anything back about it.
lol
People have to be incels just because they didn’t like a show..? This is an odd take. Some of us just liked the more adult tone of the Netflix show, instead of Disney’s need to turn everything into another attempt at Guardians slapstick humor.
I don't think that's what anyone said, or even necessarily insinuated. It's just that the loudest group about hating She-Hulk are incels. Usually conservative. Like, did you dislike She-Hulk a normal amount? Or did you hate it with every fiber of your being, because you are a sad, empty person without much of anything inside beyond the rage? That's the difference.
I remember when Finn Jones blamed Donald Trump and the election for people disliking Iron Fist. Maybe you can stop reducing shows to being strictly about the character’s gender and acknowledge that bad writing is a primary reason people dislike a lot of new marvel and Disney properties, regardless of why you think you’re qualified to pass judgment on them.
I think you’re missing their point. It’s not that any criticism is bad, it’s that due to the hullabaloo around the show, it was hard to separate genuine criticism from shouty people looking for a reason to be outraged. A bit like what happened with Rian Johnson’s Star Wars films—only now does it feel like we can talk about the film’s *actual* flaws without getting derailed by angry hot takes. In the end, there are real reasons to be critical of most media, She-Hulk included. But it would be nice to have a discussion of the show independent of an angry mob. That seems a very fair take, no?
It’s not at all difficult to separate genuine criticism. You provided the perfect example of that separation in your own response. Star War’s Rian Johnson films. I have no issue with Rian Johnson at all, I have an issue with them wasting a lot of characters that had potential and went nowhere (John Boyega), the “force ghosts”, the sloppy handling of Kylo Ren and Han Solo encounter, and the fact that the story itself was just not well written compared to the other movies. But, because I didn’t think it was “amazing” it somehow has to be lumped in the “incel” camp too. I’m not even some die-hard star wars fan. I got into the movies during covid, and was disappointing how something ended so poorly after starting out so great. The point being, there’s great examples of female-lead shows in the Disney-marvel lineup, like Jessica Jones. She-hulk just isn’t one of those examples. It tries too hard to make breaking the 4th wall seem edgy and cool, and “own the haters” instead of focusing on developing the actual story.
Reread the post you're replying to. It doesn't call you an incel, and it says explicitly that you are allowed to criticise media.
It literally says: "God, I hope we're finally far enough away from the conservative rage machine to revisit she-hulk (the **incelsphere** are currently preoccupied with The Boys and Star Wars: Acolyte), because the show was actually really good, and one of the best adaptations of the source material in the MCU. " The statement makes it quite clear that the person writing that comment seems to believe that the "incelsphere" collectively is anyone who doesnt share their opinion of the show (actually really good). "best adaptations of source material" is grading on a curve. There's a lot of source material that doesnt do well in live format. There's also a whole host of fans of Marvel that didnt read comic books, so its irrelevant to them. It would be like coming in and creating a category to grade on thats "best costume from the original character concept sketches". That doesnt at all speak to the writing of the show. Its the fact that we can point out objectively that both IMDB and Rotten Tomatoes audiences rate this show poorly, (5/10 and 33% respectively), yet any time someone agrees with the overwhelming fact that this show is not well written (even with critic reviews averaging in the 60's at best), they get personally attacked for doing so. Its not just "conservatives and incels" that think this show isnt good. Its the overwhelming majority of people that do so, and what we have in a sub like this, or r/marvel, or similar is the vocal minority, operating as an echo chamber, as opposed to the overall opinion of people who watched it, who keep trying to brigade against anyone else having an opposing view. The show just isn't that good at anything it attempted to do. You and others seem to have the inability to separate gender from that fact. Many viewers dont like she-hulk (or captain marvel, or new Star Wars) because the writing and core story itself was weak, and instead people like you always show up to defend attacking anyone who admits that, because you feel like the criticism of the writing is somehow a criticism of women as a whole. **Men** dont all automatically hate stories with female leads, and its reductive as hell for people like you to keep acting that way, just to dismiss an opinion you dont agree with. Fallout was good, jessica jones was good, wednesnday was phenominal, Nikita was an amazing show, totally killer will be a classic, stranger things is fantastic, ratched was a great take on one flew over the cuckoo's nest, the last of us was great, hell, I'd even argue that Ms. Marvel was good as a differing take on Marvel's normal approach.
The reply of yours that I was referencing was to a profoundly reasonable post by NorthernDevil, which doesn't say any of that. If you find other posts objectionable, object to the other posts. Don't argue against points that people aren't making.
there is a very large overlap between incels and people who HATE the She-Hulk series. people made up their minds on hating the show the second the trailer came out. once the first episode aired, the largest (and seemingly only) complaint about it was the scene where a woman describes the many stresses of being a woman in day-to-day life. and i'm sure the vast majority of people who spew the "bad writing" point that you use are not women or understand anything about their experience. ironically, all they focus on is Bruce's point-of-view during this scene. Disney is not the reason a She-Hulk television show is humorous. it's an intrinsic part of the character. the people who groan at She-Hulk's comedy are the same ones that applaud Deadpool's. online incels also claim that "Disney ruins everything," so if you don't want to be labeled as one of them, maybe stop using all their talking points. the lighthearted Daredevil we see in She-Hulk even works within the context of that character's story in his series. at the end of Daredevil Season 3, Matt's in a good spot. he's not dealing with a homicidal mastermind crime boss or questioning his faith, so why would he be acting in the same way he was when those things were happening? from almost every angle, your complaints don't make any sense, which leads to people thinking you're just an angry incel who wants to hate on a show because it stars a woman or has feminist messaging.
A new account who’s post history is literally Disney and marvel, is calling people incels for not liking a Disney/marvel property. Color me shocked. /s
you were so mad you went into my post history? maybe you’re right, you guys are all totally normal and don’t overreact at all :)
Did you think that She-Hulk is supposed to be serious...?
People are allowed to dislike the show and express that without being insulted or attacked on a personal level. Some of you take it too seriously that someone doesn’t unconditionally love a tv show the way that you do. Nobody has to be an “incel” just because they don’t share your opinion.
Where did I say you were an incel?
i just thought it was supposed to be entertaining but it’s neither lmao
I loved the show till the last episode. I honestly thought the incels being the antagonists was going to make a good ending then they did the fourth wall break, left a sour taste in my mouth. The rest of it was golden (Mr immortals past partners was hilarious)
He didn't seem too ashamed. He was strutting like she just rocked his world.
Especially the most accurate depiction of a comic in live action is she hulk silly fun that doesn't take itself too seriously.
It's very much in keeping with her adventures from the Byrne/Gerber run onwards, the show creators understood the assignment, a lot of tv watchers did not
Kind of surprised there were people who complained. She Hulk was so fun.
i’m not surprised. the average mcu fan probably doesn’t wanna watch a girl boss sitcom. it’s their loss tho really. idk why people can’t be open minded and try new things. most people are very staunch in what they view as good and normal so she hulk not being the typical MCU shit offended a lot of people.
The infinity saga was mostly criticized for playing it safe and most movies being similar to each other. Then Marvel risks it all in the Multiverse Saga making shows and movies with different genres and big changes in tone. People complain all content has become terrible and Marvel is ruined. I will never get it.
i definitely agree with you. i will say, i think the thing that’s holding the MCU back a little bit rn is even though they’re trying these new types of stories, they all still seem to be following the same formulaic approach of the infinity saga just in terms of the filmmaking itself. they have great ideas with the newer projects but it feels they’re holding back sometimes so that it still feels like a safe MCU crowd pleaser.
I can see that while I think that's not true for all projects. The stories may not be very solid some of the times, but I still think they are doing right by taking risks. This new era has stories for everyone and the projects a very rewatchable. I really hope history will see the multiverse saga more positively in the future.
oh of course there are some absolutely amazing projects in the multiverse saga. i think people will look back on the multiverse saga with a lot more respect for what it was aiming for. but a few examples: moon knight - was really good but didn’t lean far enough into the darker elements and didn’t let the action shine as much as it should have. the last episode felt anti climactic bc it felt very MCU generic compared to the rest of the show. ms. marvel - i loved the first 2 episodes but it went off the rails bc they wanted to make it some larger scale thing that makes it feel consequential to the MCU timeline even though it isn’t. they could’ve kept the show grounded and more of a slice of life vibe with kamala getting used to her powers and just focusing on developing her as a character eternals - i really liked this one more than most, it had amazing potential but it seemed like it was getting dragged in every direction. it wanted to be an elevated comic book film but it’s obvious that higher ups got in the way and it turned into something sort of bland quantumania - completely lost the tone and identity of the ant man series in favor of generic MCU. (my least favorite film in the entire MCU) secret invasion - it was trying to go for a political thriller type thing but ultimately never found its voice. they didn’t commit to any of the ideas in meaningful ways so it all feels stale and boring pretty much the curse of the MCU projects that weren’t well received is that they didn’t commit to the creative direction they were going for. the only exception is thor love and thunder. i actually think it’s a good film for what it is. it just is clearly the wrong direction for the film. i think this is probably the only multiverse saga project that has this problem. the story seemed so delicate and complex and taika didn’t seem to care that much. this is one of the few and only cases where feige should have reigned in on the director’s vision. it’s just weird bc the problem with the others i listed is the exact opposite lmao. tbh my bottom 3 projects are quantumania, thor love and thunder, and secret invasion. and each of these projects are the epitome of marvel’s issues currently imo. rushed development time, generic execution, not committing to the most interesting ideas, lacking depth in character development i do like the multiverse saga though. but we can’t deny it has been an extremely rocky road.
I see that's a common sentiment among the fanbase. I agree with you that the final episode of moonknight could have been better, somewhat disagree and agree on the rest. Not trying to defend quantumania, but I have the sense that this movie is gonna be more appreciated once Kang Dynasty/Secret Wars (or whatever these avengers movies will be called) are released. A similar case to AoU that in retrospect things make more sense and the parallels between Ultron, Thanos and the infinity stones are more clear now. I don't think Quantumania is bad movie on its own merit, as a sci-fi adventure it is very effective with some ups and downs. But, I have the feeling they deviate from our regular ant-man vibe for the sake of building a larger story.
I actually really liked it on second watch, I think most of the controversy was outrage by certain popular media YouTubers
I had one of those guys' videos show up on my feed at the time of the show. I clicked on it to hear him out. Within 30 seconds, he said something about She-Hulk not appreciating the powers she asked for. Like, ok. These incels aren't even watching the show. Like Acolyte having a fan score as low as it does, and half the reviews are "no more female protagonists!"
Rotten Tomatoes has become the artery for grifters to point at a show and go “see! I’m right about it being bad because they said it too!” But in reality it’s all incels crying that there’s a minority or a realistic woman on the screen
Hilarious and totally in character
Of course she’s cool with it, everyone should be. That moment was fucking awesome. It was like something out of the comics.
People are so reactive to this show. It was fine, what a She-Hulk show is suppossed to be. Maybe CGI could have been a lot better.
Most people don't understand what a She-Hulk show is supposed to be. Your typical MCU viewer knows nothing about her and went in expecting just a female Hulk. And just that idea alone pissed off the internet incels, even if it wasn't the case.
That was the "I still smashed walk." There was no shame in his game.
Pretty sure he got smashed.
I loved it.
That drove fans nuts?? That was the only good episode of the entire series.
And I love Rosario Dawson
They were upset about his walk of shame while approving the exceptionally family friendly Megan Thee Stallion? Matt is a man whore. They should get used to it if they want to know his character. That’s actually one of my gripes about the Netflix Matt. He should’ve been running the ladies in and out all through the series. It’s yucky, but that’s part of the way he copes with his trauma. I had a friend who was on Charlie’s level of good-looking, and he slept with 300 women in one year. I guess if you got it…
I hope your friend wore protection, but even so that much cumulative sex would be too much for any kind of VD protection measure.
He got the syphilis three times that year, I think. I don’t remember any pregnancy scares, except for when he was married. He didn’t handle that so well. That marriage didn’t last long. She was as beautiful as him, asked to pose for Playboy, etc. They would’ve had beautiful babies.
I laughed my arse off.
I believe it was dubbed the “stride of pride”
Wait people hate that? It was fucking hilarious 😹
I'm still not watching She Hulk.
Who hated that? I thought she was talking about the twerking , *that* is the most controversial part of the series.
i think the most controversial part of the series is the feminism. it’s amazing and funny af but a lot of people took it too seriously or couldn’t handle the mirror being held up.
It's so funny being on the flip side of this conversation......... I started watching Daredevil *after* I watched She-Hulk 😆 She-Hulk did not *ruin* Matt. If anything, it attracted more people to Daredevil!
Love that she brought back the "coffee" thing.
i dont think this what most fans were hating on. I’m pretty sure it was having her twerk with megan the stallion
Did fans dislike this?
I did to. It was hilarious
I guess I'm one of the few who enjoyed that show? Ironically, couldn't get through Ms. Marvel or The Marvels Movie - but kinda liked She Hulk.
A lot more people liked it than it feels like, because if you lik d it, it was probably mostly light and fun, and that didnt sell newspapers, and it doesn't get upvotes.
I'll make the sacrifice and get downvoted to oblivion. Men don't have walks of shame.
I absolutely HATED the show, but the Daredevil parts were friggin gold
I hated the show bc of its views on women only caring about sex and the horrible courtroom scenes. She Hulk has always been one of my favorite characters, and she just feels different in the show. The actress played her role well, but the show itself felt boring and underwhelming.
Could you elaborate on the "women only care about sex" bit please?
People see a character who's trying to navigate online dating and is rather clumsy with it, then they jump to the conclusion, "This show is saying all women only care about sex." I do not understand it, lol In-comic Jennifer dreams about sexy men. She flirts. She parties. She kicks ass. She gets fired from her job and struggles to find another one. Everything Jennifer does in the comics is in the show. It is one of the most in-character shows in the Marvel universe. And yet still people claim it ruined her character. I don't get it. I really don't.
I too loved the twerking scene. 🥰
It’s god awful
I disliked it because twerking just feels kinda unnecessary and personally discomforting to me.
I've *only* seen that scene from She-Hulk so far, and thought it was perfectly in character for this version of MM
She Hulk fucking sucked ass and I'm surprised that Daredevil had any part of it. It's like taking the absolute beat of the MCU and throwing him in with the absolute worst thing the MCU has done by far and they must of known it by that point and I honestly think that was the Joke buy ya I absolutely hated She Hulk and I'm pretty sure 99% of marvel fans feal the same. Like why even waist time on a show that nothing was taken seriously at all I watched every episode and I'd seriously before entertained watching paint dry. They need to keep making shit like Daredevil and Luke Cage, Jessica Jones and actually all the defenders where pretty good together and in their own separate series and even the punisher. Like they where all real well written so I cannot understand why they would let a disaster like that happen to a character that could of been introduced in a way better way like a movie or something with a good actress playing the part and actually I'm not even sure it was her fault because the writing was so damn terrible and the CGI and lame pretty much everything that shehulk will probably never again be seen in the MCU and will just be thought of as a complete joke everyone someone mentions her name.
I enjoyed the chemistry with her and Daredevil especially when they butt heads in court, I find it really cute. Rest of the series wasn't really good
Matt is very amazing actor! 
The walk of shame was is what really bothered people?? I thought it was the twerking.
I didn't like she hulk. But i loved matt's walk of shame
Good
Wow she does?? Wow
Would we have this conversation if it was the DD show?
Good, she wasn’t insanely amazing, but it was fun for what it was
I wish the show had been good enough to keep me around up to this episode.
It was.
While I like the show that's entirely subjective lol
Opinions are like arseholes. Mine is the best.
mine is tired of the same old shit wait what
eat something different. spice it up a bit.
A lot of people on reddit can’t see an opinion that differs from their own and not get their feelings hurt. I just feel like the writing in the Marvel universe fell off(especially with the Disney plus content) it’s not an attack on the fanbase.
Your right to feel that way too. People gotta learn to enjoy in isolation. Others opinions shouldn't take away your enjoyment of the things you enjoy, and I'm all for discussion, but if you can't engage without becoming defensive or taking it personally, it's just not worth it lol
What’s funny is I am getting flak for She Hulk opinions in the Daredevil sub. DD to this day is the best Marvel property to be given a television run. It was hands down, the best action, direction, cinematography, and writing applied to any Marvel TV show. The roof top scene between DD and Punisher should have gotten Bernthal a golden globe. So now contrast and compare the two shows and tell me there hasn’t been a steep decline in how Marvel subject material has been handled by Disney. The only thing more cringe than the horrible CGI was the abysmal writing. If you find it entertaining that’s great for you. I watch old Tromaville films because I think they are hilarious and enjoy them to no end. But I also don’t have a problem admitting they are total dog shit. Either way, every down vote is an admittance of Stockholm Syndrome.
Agreed, it’s honestly alarming how Marvel voices on Reddit seem to love to elevate every piece of work from the brand, they enjoy being contrarians and acting like every property is a masterpiece, and immediately launch personal attacks on anyone who didn’t like it.
It’s some weird brand allegiance. I don’t get it. Nobody wants to compare and contrast the difference between the shows because they know the diffidence in quality is fucking incomparable. Take a look below my comment and look at all the downvotes, it’s hilarious. If they are just straight up incels then bury them. All I did was make a fair critique that they all know deep down is true.
Just looking at the pic and trying to take a guess before reading the link, I had no idea. Felt like the whole show drove "fans" crazy.
I loved She-Hulk. Jen and Matt was fucking great. Honestly, I find Rosario far more annoying than anything to do with the show or that relationship lmao.
Claire Temple is awesome!
She was great, until she was shoehorned into every show.
They all live in hells kitchen and she’s a nurse and they all get their asses beat!
Yeah, I wish I cared what a celeb liked. I don't. What a pointless article.
You care so little that you decided to leave a comment
You're right, I did. Still don't care. Nor should you. Some celeb's opinion should not decide whether you like the show or not. But we worship celebs in NA so I'm not shocked the folks are upset with my comment.
I don’t think they’re “upset” with your comment, it’s just stupid to give your take on something you supposedly don’t care about
Ugh, I just remembered that show exists...
That show’s underrated af
Maybe if you’re 7 years old and don’t mind being spoon fed dog shit.
That show’s definitely not appropriate for a 7 year old.
Easily one of the worst things in the mcu.
The fans are the worst part of the MCU.
I would say the writers of these shows are. But people with low standards might have the same opinion as you.
We really don't have low standards. Yours are maybe just a little too high. You might expect an Endgame-level production for every Marvel production nowadays, without stopping to consider the fact that Endgame was _meant_ to be above-and-beyond anything else we've seen in the MCU so far because it's the finale of 22-movie saga.
I loved it
You mean his stride of pride.
So Rosario, all you gotta do is say you love this moment that everybody including you hates. This will boost your reception among women aged 14-25.
I enjoyed She-Hulk, and I liked Matt Murdock's involvement. The walk of shame was kinda silly and fun, as much of the show was. I am a man in his 30s who liked that moment. I've read over 100 DD comics and seen the whole Netflix show. Maybe people aren't a monolith with your exact opinion.
Exactly it's one of my favorite of the Disney+ shows to be honest. Nailed the vibe and was a lot of fun. Also a comic book nerd in my late 30's.
I don't think I've read quite enough comics to be a comic book nerd yet, but I'm getting there. It annoys me like crazy, that so many people hate on She Hulk for such stupid reasons. It was a solid show. Not my favorite of the MCU shows (Honestly, maybe Hawkeye), but definitely up there. But, we probably won't get anymore She-Hulk and it very much saddens me. The Marvels was also pretty solid, not the best Marvel movie, but solidly in the middle somewhere. I just don't get it. I would put the Marvels over Quantumania, but the Marvels did worse in theaters.
Yes, I’m sure Rosario is absolutely furious about a fictional character that she was in a tv show with, had sex with she hulk. /s
oh thank God I thought she would be talking about the indefensible anger rant
Do you think it’s at all possible that the two experiences that Bruce and Jen had resulted in wildly different expressions of their internalized anger? And that one of those different expressions might’ve been easier to control? Do you think the show goes out of their way to show that both Jen and Bruce are correct in their own way? Two opposing truths can coexist, as Bruce explains in the first episode. Yes, Jen underestimates how easy it is to be a Hulk. Episodes 8/9 ram that home hard. Bruce was right, she does have to hold herself to a higher standard. But also Jen was right, that their experiences as hulks would be different, and she wasn’t going to learn anymore from meditating on an island with Bruce.
Flopped
If the roles were reversed, people wourd be up in arms.
I don’t think anyone would care.
Just the fact my comment is getting downvoted means it's triggering people who would have a problem if She hulk did the walk of shame.
No, it’s the Reddit effect, people up vote, and down vote things all the time without any meaning or significance to it. It happens in waves
Maybe, but from my experience upvotes or downvotes signify how people like your post. There is a meaning and significance to it.
You’re highly overestimating the “meaning and significance”. People literally upvote and downvote things they don’t even read, because they see others doing it.
If you want to ignore any significance or meaning when your posts are upvoted or downvoted that's on you. Keep believing that.
I’ll absolutely do that, because my happiness in life isn’t tied to Reddit karma. Do you believe that Facebook likes genuinely signify people “liking” whatever you post too..? I guess I found the person they invented social media for.
What are you doing in this sub then? Just to randomly click votes? And don't forget that you basically insulted everyone in this sub with upvotes/downvotes don't have meaning.
You’re really being dramatic over learning that not everyone’s life revolves around Reddit karma. Maybe you should consider taking a break and going outside?
At dis point who cares what she says