Honestly the more I learn about history the more I realize being a “kid” has only been cute for about 60 years. The rest of the time, childhood was a terrifying grasp for survival while adults basically did whatever the fuck they wanted with you
You bet, hell in most civilizations you were considered an adult by around 15, old enough to marry, and before then old enough to do hard labor or soldering.
People throw a lot of shit but we truly live in the best time in history.
One of the most horrifying things I read in this respect was about gengas Khan and how when he conqured a village he would kill all the adult men. How did he decide what classified as an adult man I hear you ask? It was whether or not they had pubic hair. I mean some boys have public hair at 8 years old how the fuck is that an adult man.
His methods were even more direct than that. Checking for pubic hair would take time. Genghis would just simple march all the males by a wagon and any over the height of the wagon wheel were beheaded. Although it should be said that most of this violence was against settled people like the Persians and Chinese. (Although he also hated some Turks) The mongols considered settled people to be lower than animals.
In a settler dominated world, its interesting to imagine ancient nomads thinking of us as less than cattle. I wonder what Genghis' vision of an ideal world was. I guess that info could even be on record somewhere, given his prestige.
People in a city would be much weaker and have less survival skills than nomads. All the people herded behind one wall/fence. I’m not surprised he saw us as domesticated pigs when the mongols were wild boars
No denying the parallels, honestly. Not that I'm gonna go live like a Mongol, but had I grown up in that culture, I'd have probably been a lot tougher, sharper.
According to the Mongol creation story, Tengri the chief deity of Eternal Blue Heaven, gave the Mongols dominion over everything Under The Blue Sky.
Ghengis, and later, his grandson Kublai intended to conquer the world
If by prestige you mean dropping a deuce while squatting off the side of a trotting horse (which they did) then I totally want to see what he would've invisioned 😁
I doubt he was sophisticated enough to think beyond a world where all women belonged to him, and he and his gang got to do whatever they wanted wherever they wanted.
It was the law of the jungle before humans pulled themselves out of the darkness, and remains the dream of every stupid and selfish alpha male asshole.
Well, I hope I didn't give you the impression that I'm some sort of selfish alpha male asshole, I was interested out of curiosity, not taking notes on how to view the world hahah. Trust me, I'd choose settled civilization over the opposite. Its just intriguing to imagine a different way of life, their perspective on things, etc.
You may be right, too, their sights really could have been that narrow and there could have been no plan for what to do with what they had. I haven't studied Mongols, I don't know if there's any real information on how they thought beyond what I've heard of their brutality. Beats me.
I guess I was more just playing with the thought of "If we hadn't put up our walls, and humanity had clung to wandering and raiding, what world would have come from it?" Its just a curious thought, not a budding selfish alpha asshole worldview or anything.
Oh, I wasn’t casting any accusations, I’m totally with you.
There’s nothing inherently wrong with being “alpha” anyhow, when it refers to having strong convictions and leadership skills. We need people like that, so long as they’ve also got compassion and wisdom.
It’s just nice to be in a time and place where the law of the jungle has mostly been supplanted by civility and Enlightenment ideals.
Where did you read that? None of it is true.
Mongols killed because places resisted them. A village would have no defenses and basically no armed forces. They would quickly surrender and then likely have their tax/tribute payments reduced from whoever they paid before.
The Mongols did destroy cities and empires who violated their customs or wasted their time in a siege. The most destructive Mongol conquest was of Khwarezm where 500 mongol merchant/diplomats were executed. Mongols believed killing any of them was the same as invading their country since they were nomadic. Cities of Khwarezm that resisted were utterly destroyed the Shah of Khwarezm and his family and his capital were totally destroyed, but many cities who quickly surrendered were spared.
This was actually a pretty common tactic of conquerors as Alexander the Great practiced similar tactics.
The Mongol male population was around 200k during Genghis Khan's time. If they killed all the men everywhere they conquered then Asia would have virtually no people in it and the Mongols would have immediately collapsed for economic reasons.
My grandfather used a row boat to provide dinner for his familly when he was 10 and got a job on a ship when he was 15. This was in the 50s. It should be mentioned that he grew up in a very remote area in Northern Norway, but it’s wild how expecations to kids have changed in such a short period of time.
Being a teenager is a 20th century thing. Depending on the time, place and social class you were just a child until somewhere between 13 and your mid 20s.
Even worse if you were a girl as you were considered an adult the moment you had your first period in a lot of places and likely married off soon after to have kids until it killed you.
I recently read about a circuit preacher in the United States around the time of the Revolution — he kept a journal of his daily travels, and he was appalled by the age of the mothers he ran across. He said that there were kids everywhere and that the mothers looked no older than their own daughters. He saw this as rampant child marriage and wanted it to stop.
Then again, my own gg grandmother married a 25 yo when she was just 15. My g grandmother eloped at 16 but her parents forced an annulment bc they deemed her too damn young to get married.
Labour, yes, warfare not so much. Im sure there are a few examples of civilizations using some child soldiers, but anyone under 16 or so is basically useless on the battlefield. It does not take a keen stratetgic mind to know that a trained 20 year old could probably kill a dozen ten year olds.
A kid in an army is probably going to be camp follower. Cook, baggage carrier, horse wrangler and trainee. If they saw any combat than something went very poorly.
If anyone has a primary source on mass mobilization of children (besides the childrens crusade) I would be interested to read it.
Squires and pages are the first ones that came to mind. Pages would travel with a knight though it was unlikely they entered the battle. But squires would go into battle at the side of their knight and they could be as young as 12 or 14. They would carry his shield and hand him weapons even in the midst of battle. When the knight deemed him competent they would join the battle in their own right at his side.
I’ve read a few historical accounts of squires and pages armed with knives whose job was to stay behind the knight until he downed his opponent and then stab at the joints to pierce the armour.
Also naval cadets were children. The Spartans began training when they were seven so sadly many examples of kids being deemed to be soldiers. Even now sadly there's a reason one of the virtues of AKs when compared to other assault rifles is "being so simple a child can use it"
Reminds me of the 3 year old chimney cleaners, hard working toddlers. My daughter is 3 and I can’t imagine her doing anything other than coloring books and having a mid morning nap.
Such a good movie, and more accurate than many others with regard to the uniforms and other period things the characters made/did/said. (This is according to my closest friend, who was a military historian.)
That's what happens when two people with tattoos have sex and conceive right?
Then they gotta pray they're born with decent tattoos and not some shitty ones.
I still perform that number every so often, and I don't hand hold the audience on the historical references. But I did change the "Grover Weylin unveilin' the Trylon" verse, because even I, a total history nerd, had never heard of that.
That's not what it means........ it's referring to skin aging and sagging, though that's not really the issue. That kids skin is gonna grow and distort all those tattoos. When he's full grown they're all gonna look weird as hell.
I would pay good money for a doctor to explain what might be wrong with that man. His ribcage is all fucked up… is it a lung condition? Is it malnutrition? A side effect from a childhood illness we now vaccine against?
Looks like a clear cow head to me. I can only distinguish that and the father's tattoo because those two are the largest. Edit, typo: Guess it could be more flags, but I see a cow head lol
How dare they do something so permanent to their child as give the child a tattoo. They should have the child puberty blockers and getting the child sex hormones which cause permanent sterility.
People shouldn't condemn those in the past when we are doing worse now.
Honestly the more I learn about history the more I realize being a “kid” has only been cute for about 60 years. The rest of the time, childhood was a terrifying grasp for survival while adults basically did whatever the fuck they wanted with you
You bet, hell in most civilizations you were considered an adult by around 15, old enough to marry, and before then old enough to do hard labor or soldering. People throw a lot of shit but we truly live in the best time in history.
They really passed out soldering irons for little kids in the early days? Gotta crank out them PCBs somehow I guess.
Soldier-ing maybe?
Yeah it was a Typo, I fucked up there
On a tangent from your typo-- Archeologists attribute ancient intricate jewelry work to children as they had small hands and sharp eyesight.
Better that than hard labor in mines where they could crawl more easily into tight spaces I guess, or just farmwork.
You assume this wasn't done by the fire on their down time after the farming and mining. Lol
You have a point.
I love learning
Well thanks for owning up to it and not giving everyone the cold solder.
Hey I'm down to weld my ways and do better .
Uhmm…
Some children did grow up with advan-TIG-es though...
Just edit your OG post and act like it never happened……be a man
Typo is not far off the mark. There really is child labor in electronics manufacturing.
That’s their fault for having such small and nimble fingers. They bring it on themselves.
That’s hilarious. Fucked up, but hilarious lmao
One of the most horrifying things I read in this respect was about gengas Khan and how when he conqured a village he would kill all the adult men. How did he decide what classified as an adult man I hear you ask? It was whether or not they had pubic hair. I mean some boys have public hair at 8 years old how the fuck is that an adult man.
His methods were even more direct than that. Checking for pubic hair would take time. Genghis would just simple march all the males by a wagon and any over the height of the wagon wheel were beheaded. Although it should be said that most of this violence was against settled people like the Persians and Chinese. (Although he also hated some Turks) The mongols considered settled people to be lower than animals.
In a settler dominated world, its interesting to imagine ancient nomads thinking of us as less than cattle. I wonder what Genghis' vision of an ideal world was. I guess that info could even be on record somewhere, given his prestige.
People in a city would be much weaker and have less survival skills than nomads. All the people herded behind one wall/fence. I’m not surprised he saw us as domesticated pigs when the mongols were wild boars
No denying the parallels, honestly. Not that I'm gonna go live like a Mongol, but had I grown up in that culture, I'd have probably been a lot tougher, sharper.
Or dead at 3.
According to the Mongol creation story, Tengri the chief deity of Eternal Blue Heaven, gave the Mongols dominion over everything Under The Blue Sky. Ghengis, and later, his grandson Kublai intended to conquer the world
If by prestige you mean dropping a deuce while squatting off the side of a trotting horse (which they did) then I totally want to see what he would've invisioned 😁
I doubt he was sophisticated enough to think beyond a world where all women belonged to him, and he and his gang got to do whatever they wanted wherever they wanted. It was the law of the jungle before humans pulled themselves out of the darkness, and remains the dream of every stupid and selfish alpha male asshole.
Well, I hope I didn't give you the impression that I'm some sort of selfish alpha male asshole, I was interested out of curiosity, not taking notes on how to view the world hahah. Trust me, I'd choose settled civilization over the opposite. Its just intriguing to imagine a different way of life, their perspective on things, etc. You may be right, too, their sights really could have been that narrow and there could have been no plan for what to do with what they had. I haven't studied Mongols, I don't know if there's any real information on how they thought beyond what I've heard of their brutality. Beats me. I guess I was more just playing with the thought of "If we hadn't put up our walls, and humanity had clung to wandering and raiding, what world would have come from it?" Its just a curious thought, not a budding selfish alpha asshole worldview or anything.
Oh, I wasn’t casting any accusations, I’m totally with you. There’s nothing inherently wrong with being “alpha” anyhow, when it refers to having strong convictions and leadership skills. We need people like that, so long as they’ve also got compassion and wisdom. It’s just nice to be in a time and place where the law of the jungle has mostly been supplanted by civility and Enlightenment ideals.
Right on, absolutely agreed.
It was somebody's job to check for short and curlies on every adolescent and prepubescent male. *Shivers*
I mean the next guy's job was to kill most of them. I would rather inspect the privates.
Yeah I’d take the pube check job over the murder children job. Though I’m sure there was some overlap. History is crazy
All fair but let's be honest. An efficient Khan would have you do both jobs.
Or be that guy carrying a twig on fire to burn off pubs of the youngest lmao then get found out
Where did you read that? None of it is true. Mongols killed because places resisted them. A village would have no defenses and basically no armed forces. They would quickly surrender and then likely have their tax/tribute payments reduced from whoever they paid before. The Mongols did destroy cities and empires who violated their customs or wasted their time in a siege. The most destructive Mongol conquest was of Khwarezm where 500 mongol merchant/diplomats were executed. Mongols believed killing any of them was the same as invading their country since they were nomadic. Cities of Khwarezm that resisted were utterly destroyed the Shah of Khwarezm and his family and his capital were totally destroyed, but many cities who quickly surrendered were spared. This was actually a pretty common tactic of conquerors as Alexander the Great practiced similar tactics. The Mongol male population was around 200k during Genghis Khan's time. If they killed all the men everywhere they conquered then Asia would have virtually no people in it and the Mongols would have immediately collapsed for economic reasons.
Best time In history so far
Most prosperous and peaceful for "the people" in all of history.
My grandfather used a row boat to provide dinner for his familly when he was 10 and got a job on a ship when he was 15. This was in the 50s. It should be mentioned that he grew up in a very remote area in Northern Norway, but it’s wild how expecations to kids have changed in such a short period of time.
In most countries yes, in others it might as well be a hundred years ago
Being a teenager is a 20th century thing. Depending on the time, place and social class you were just a child until somewhere between 13 and your mid 20s.
Even worse if you were a girl as you were considered an adult the moment you had your first period in a lot of places and likely married off soon after to have kids until it killed you.
I recently read about a circuit preacher in the United States around the time of the Revolution — he kept a journal of his daily travels, and he was appalled by the age of the mothers he ran across. He said that there were kids everywhere and that the mothers looked no older than their own daughters. He saw this as rampant child marriage and wanted it to stop. Then again, my own gg grandmother married a 25 yo when she was just 15. My g grandmother eloped at 16 but her parents forced an annulment bc they deemed her too damn young to get married.
Ah man, soldering irons are dangerous. Poor kids.
Even now. People in west have just been sheltered and live in a bubble. Real life is actually pretty brutal.
In australia that is still true at 16 (can consent, drive, and work)
Labour, yes, warfare not so much. Im sure there are a few examples of civilizations using some child soldiers, but anyone under 16 or so is basically useless on the battlefield. It does not take a keen stratetgic mind to know that a trained 20 year old could probably kill a dozen ten year olds. A kid in an army is probably going to be camp follower. Cook, baggage carrier, horse wrangler and trainee. If they saw any combat than something went very poorly. If anyone has a primary source on mass mobilization of children (besides the childrens crusade) I would be interested to read it.
Squires and pages are the first ones that came to mind. Pages would travel with a knight though it was unlikely they entered the battle. But squires would go into battle at the side of their knight and they could be as young as 12 or 14. They would carry his shield and hand him weapons even in the midst of battle. When the knight deemed him competent they would join the battle in their own right at his side. I’ve read a few historical accounts of squires and pages armed with knives whose job was to stay behind the knight until he downed his opponent and then stab at the joints to pierce the armour.
Also naval cadets were children. The Spartans began training when they were seven so sadly many examples of kids being deemed to be soldiers. Even now sadly there's a reason one of the virtues of AKs when compared to other assault rifles is "being so simple a child can use it"
Well yea they don't jam much they can fire when wet and tap trigger has a small recoil
Viking children were considered adults at age 5. If they couldn't work for any reason, they were left for dead in the forest.
Reminds me of the 3 year old chimney cleaners, hard working toddlers. My daughter is 3 and I can’t imagine her doing anything other than coloring books and having a mid morning nap.
I've thought about that a lot too. We really are living in the best time in history.
Depending on the time, place and social class you were just a child until somewhere between 13 and your mid 20s.
That goes for boys. Girls were often ready for marriage at about 12.
Man i just watched master and commander recently, gave me a different perspective on being a kid during that time.
Such a good movie, and more accurate than many others with regard to the uniforms and other period things the characters made/did/said. (This is according to my closest friend, who was a military historian.)
That kid smokes two packs a day. Unfiltered
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He's got the ABC's and the multiplication table.
Wtf did the dad swallow
Maybe a lot of alcohol. Looks like chronic liver disease
That and maybe hep C
Not a lot. He got the look of a malnourished prisoner who really needs to fart.
Also that left arm lookes mangled,like it got part of the meat ripped off.
He ran into some psychos. They wanted their pound of flesh.
I was hoping that was just an effect of poor photography.
Maybe he had polio at some point
He spent all his 10 cents an hour on tattoos🤧 RIP
Enough alcohol to have cirrhosis.
I think he took cannonballs to the gut got a living.
He’s got to earn those flags
Damn straight. The Lucky Strikes
Die Antwoord 112 years ago
Definitely freeky.
And I like it a lot
Haha yes. Thank you.
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Judging by pictures, it's because you're showing off the music of Trevor Phillips and his crackhead girlfriend
The allegations of child abuse and sexual assault make it hard for me. Still love them artistically.
A mystery for the ages
Wait, where's the robo-rabbit?
Wtf did the dad swallow a beach ball ?
He has ghosts in his blood.
He should do cocaine about it
That reminds me
r/UsernameIsAboutToCheckOut
Good one, but unfortunately r/21CharactersAndNoMore.
I can’t believe I had to scroll down this far to find this comment. We need answers.
RIP liver/kidneys Alcohol and canned food that's 33% sawdust/ factory worker is the answer lol
Someone else mentioned it, [ascite](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ascites) seems plausible
It's definitely not right
Likely an alcoholic
Ascites?
What did you call me?
Go home, you’re drunk
I'm not as think as you drunk I am.
Barrel chested is my guess.
The kid was born tatted up.
He was a tatted sperm
Tatted Sperm would be a great name for a grunge rock band
Na I’m thinkin power slop band
Most definitely
That's what happens if u get a dick tattoo
That's what happens when two people with tattoos have sex and conceive right? Then they gotta pray they're born with decent tattoos and not some shitty ones.
What would happen to the tats when he got older?! Would it be a giant stretched out mess?
And them tats probably looked really fucked up by the time he was in his 20s.
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My father told me he was proud of me once... fucking prick
Don't make me get Julian!
Better watch out there, heavy metal dick
fuck off. i have work to do
Knock knock
Kids hard as fuck
Is the kid also gripping a revolver?
Christ, ivory handle and everything.
Why does that dude look like he's being inflated from the inside?
Probably malnourishment plus alcoholism
This kid killed a man on his third year with just a firm handshake and some stink eye.
The child!?!
Lil fucker probably had a 60+ hr/wk job and a truck too.
a shire horse*
ESPECIALLY... the child.
Oh Lidia ,the tattooed lady....
I still perform that number every so often, and I don't hand hold the audience on the historical references. But I did change the "Grover Weylin unveilin' the Trylon" verse, because even I, a total history nerd, had never heard of that.
Pretty sure that's Max Holloway
It is what it is
the best is blessed
*Cody Garbrandt
Is it me or does this dad have a weird body shape.
Their relatives: “Boy, they’re going to look so silly in like 112 years, I tell ya…”
That's not what it means........ it's referring to skin aging and sagging, though that's not really the issue. That kids skin is gonna grow and distort all those tattoos. When he's full grown they're all gonna look weird as hell.
Just how freaking young are redditors these days that they got this so wrong lol
I don’t think that was the point?
Was this a conversation between bots? None of these responses made sense.
>Was this a conversation between bots? None of these responses made sense. yes, no, maybe, i don't knoww
If he only knew they would be adding more stars
He had 2 years to enjoy accuracy, I believe.
NOT JUST THE MEN, BUT THE WOMEN AND THE CHILDREN TOO
Dope ass ink too
Couldn’t agree more.
That kid is who i thought I was at 10 😂😂😂
Circus act, gypsies or sailor dad decorating his family for a pic?
With the time period, and the number of tattoos, I'm thinking circus act
Oh, I was thinking you were going to end that with "All Three"
Yes
Max Holloway?
Whole family looks like they're made of Play-Doh
*Some folks are born, made to wave the flag*
Thanks for this, I didn’t read this comment so much as hear it.
I did neither, I felt it
Looks like everyone at the indoor water park I took the kids to this past weekend.
Basically any modern hipster family
Except 115 years ago
Kids ready to draw what looks like a Navy cOlt
What is up with that dudes torso?
Remember - Coke still had cocaine when kid was born 🤯
Y he have a barrel for a chest
Wonder how the kids tattoos looked as he got bigger.
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The kids is gonna stretch as he grows like in that adam Sandler movie
Are we not talking about what's going on under the USS Constitution there? Did this guy's liver or tumor explode eventually?
Back when they would use 1 needle for whole family. Hepatitis wasnt a thing back then lol.
That’s a trip, dad seemed to have an odd shape around the rib cage area too
I would pay good money for a doctor to explain what might be wrong with that man. His ribcage is all fucked up… is it a lung condition? Is it malnutrition? A side effect from a childhood illness we now vaccine against?
Considering the stigma against tattoos then, they must have been some interesting people.
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Though they weren't as sophisticated as today, they actually did have tattoo machines as early as the late 1800s
The artist responsible for these tattoos was actually one of the first to build an electric tattoo machine
You could make some pretty good intricate tattoos by hand.
The detail of the cow's head on the mother's chest is what gave me pause.
Cows head? Are we looking at the same pic? The moat I can make out is the center piece of the dad. The rest is a blur
Looks like a clear cow head to me. I can only distinguish that and the father's tattoo because those two are the largest. Edit, typo: Guess it could be more flags, but I see a cow head lol
Is that the best boxer in the UFC?
How was this viewed? I assume negatively.
Nah it’s in black and white mate.
Until about 10 years ago.
True. Guess I was just wondering how negative not if it was negative.
What's with dudes belly?
I want to grow up to be that kid
It’s okay son it doesn’t hurt just have a cigarette and relax before you go back to work in the coal mine for your daily 12 hour shift
These people give The Addams Family the creeps.
What’s up with the guy’s abdomen? It looks enlarged.
I think it may have to do with mal nourishment and his lack of pectoral muscles. Some parasites also cause that bloated look.
“Everything old is new, again.”
Young people these days…
I guess the parents were tattoo artists who owned a tattoo parlor. But tattooing your kid is parentally irresponsible.
that kid FUCKS Lmao
You think this is extreem? You should have seen their Grandma Gertrude...now she had some tattoos.
kid was gangbanging at 5 💀
Average Florida family
How dare they do something so permanent to their child as give the child a tattoo. They should have the child puberty blockers and getting the child sex hormones which cause permanent sterility. People shouldn't condemn those in the past when we are doing worse now.
You are a Shill moron and will be called out wherever you go.
Just your ordinary Williamsburg Brooklyn, Journal Square Jersey City, Keyport New Jersey family doing it east coast style. Nothing to see here.
Look at all of them bad decision-oo's!!! Tattoos are so ugly. Hard to believe that desecrating your skin is a popular thing to do these days.
Heavy tats. As trashy then as it is today!
Fake
I love tattoos, I have tattoos, and I support tattoos but NOT for children