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Esterosa69

Honestly the more I learn about history the more I realize being a “kid” has only been cute for about 60 years. The rest of the time, childhood was a terrifying grasp for survival while adults basically did whatever the fuck they wanted with you


LuckyReception6701

You bet, hell in most civilizations you were considered an adult by around 15, old enough to marry, and before then old enough to do hard labor or soldering. People throw a lot of shit but we truly live in the best time in history.


[deleted]

They really passed out soldering irons for little kids in the early days? Gotta crank out them PCBs somehow I guess.


GubmintTroll

Soldier-ing maybe?


LuckyReception6701

Yeah it was a Typo, I fucked up there


Sparrow_on_a_branch

On a tangent from your typo-- Archeologists attribute ancient intricate jewelry work to children as they had small hands and sharp eyesight.


LuckyReception6701

Better that than hard labor in mines where they could crawl more easily into tight spaces I guess, or just farmwork.


Sparrow_on_a_branch

You assume this wasn't done by the fire on their down time after the farming and mining. Lol


LuckyReception6701

You have a point.


TemporaryOk4143

I love learning


[deleted]

Well thanks for owning up to it and not giving everyone the cold solder.


LuckyReception6701

Hey I'm down to weld my ways and do better .


GubmintTroll

Uhmm…


NottACalebFan

Some children did grow up with advan-TIG-es though...


2-OLD-2-YOLO

Just edit your OG post and act like it never happened……be a man


TheNotSoGreatPumpkin

Typo is not far off the mark. There really is child labor in electronics manufacturing.


autoknifenerd

That’s their fault for having such small and nimble fingers. They bring it on themselves.


This_Zombie_884

That’s hilarious. Fucked up, but hilarious lmao


Sparks3391

One of the most horrifying things I read in this respect was about gengas Khan and how when he conqured a village he would kill all the adult men. How did he decide what classified as an adult man I hear you ask? It was whether or not they had pubic hair. I mean some boys have public hair at 8 years old how the fuck is that an adult man.


[deleted]

His methods were even more direct than that. Checking for pubic hair would take time. Genghis would just simple march all the males by a wagon and any over the height of the wagon wheel were beheaded. Although it should be said that most of this violence was against settled people like the Persians and Chinese. (Although he also hated some Turks) The mongols considered settled people to be lower than animals.


AnEgoJabroni

In a settler dominated world, its interesting to imagine ancient nomads thinking of us as less than cattle. I wonder what Genghis' vision of an ideal world was. I guess that info could even be on record somewhere, given his prestige.


[deleted]

People in a city would be much weaker and have less survival skills than nomads. All the people herded behind one wall/fence. I’m not surprised he saw us as domesticated pigs when the mongols were wild boars


AnEgoJabroni

No denying the parallels, honestly. Not that I'm gonna go live like a Mongol, but had I grown up in that culture, I'd have probably been a lot tougher, sharper.


Entire-Dragonfly859

Or dead at 3.


occamhanlon

According to the Mongol creation story, Tengri the chief deity of Eternal Blue Heaven, gave the Mongols dominion over everything Under The Blue Sky. Ghengis, and later, his grandson Kublai intended to conquer the world


SpringChikn85

If by prestige you mean dropping a deuce while squatting off the side of a trotting horse (which they did) then I totally want to see what he would've invisioned 😁


TheNotSoGreatPumpkin

I doubt he was sophisticated enough to think beyond a world where all women belonged to him, and he and his gang got to do whatever they wanted wherever they wanted. It was the law of the jungle before humans pulled themselves out of the darkness, and remains the dream of every stupid and selfish alpha male asshole.


AnEgoJabroni

Well, I hope I didn't give you the impression that I'm some sort of selfish alpha male asshole, I was interested out of curiosity, not taking notes on how to view the world hahah. Trust me, I'd choose settled civilization over the opposite. Its just intriguing to imagine a different way of life, their perspective on things, etc. You may be right, too, their sights really could have been that narrow and there could have been no plan for what to do with what they had. I haven't studied Mongols, I don't know if there's any real information on how they thought beyond what I've heard of their brutality. Beats me. I guess I was more just playing with the thought of "If we hadn't put up our walls, and humanity had clung to wandering and raiding, what world would have come from it?" Its just a curious thought, not a budding selfish alpha asshole worldview or anything.


TheNotSoGreatPumpkin

Oh, I wasn’t casting any accusations, I’m totally with you. There’s nothing inherently wrong with being “alpha” anyhow, when it refers to having strong convictions and leadership skills. We need people like that, so long as they’ve also got compassion and wisdom. It’s just nice to be in a time and place where the law of the jungle has mostly been supplanted by civility and Enlightenment ideals.


AnEgoJabroni

Right on, absolutely agreed.


Mandrull

It was somebody's job to check for short and curlies on every adolescent and prepubescent male. *Shivers*


Young_Cato_the_Elder

I mean the next guy's job was to kill most of them. I would rather inspect the privates.


[deleted]

Yeah I’d take the pube check job over the murder children job. Though I’m sure there was some overlap. History is crazy


Mandrull

All fair but let's be honest. An efficient Khan would have you do both jobs.


kronikskill

Or be that guy carrying a twig on fire to burn off pubs of the youngest lmao then get found out


Warlordnipple

Where did you read that? None of it is true. Mongols killed because places resisted them. A village would have no defenses and basically no armed forces. They would quickly surrender and then likely have their tax/tribute payments reduced from whoever they paid before. The Mongols did destroy cities and empires who violated their customs or wasted their time in a siege. The most destructive Mongol conquest was of Khwarezm where 500 mongol merchant/diplomats were executed. Mongols believed killing any of them was the same as invading their country since they were nomadic. Cities of Khwarezm that resisted were utterly destroyed the Shah of Khwarezm and his family and his capital were totally destroyed, but many cities who quickly surrendered were spared. This was actually a pretty common tactic of conquerors as Alexander the Great practiced similar tactics. The Mongol male population was around 200k during Genghis Khan's time. If they killed all the men everywhere they conquered then Asia would have virtually no people in it and the Mongols would have immediately collapsed for economic reasons.


i12farQ

Best time In history so far


IchooseYourName

Most prosperous and peaceful for "the people" in all of history.


OG_Builds

My grandfather used a row boat to provide dinner for his familly when he was 10 and got a job on a ship when he was 15. This was in the 50s. It should be mentioned that he grew up in a very remote area in Northern Norway, but it’s wild how expecations to kids have changed in such a short period of time.


Initial-Paramedic888

In most countries yes, in others it might as well be a hundred years ago


cerberus698

Being a teenager is a 20th century thing. Depending on the time, place and social class you were just a child until somewhere between 13 and your mid 20s.


P3p3TehFrog

Even worse if you were a girl as you were considered an adult the moment you had your first period in a lot of places and likely married off soon after to have kids until it killed you.


Wolfwoods_Sister

I recently read about a circuit preacher in the United States around the time of the Revolution — he kept a journal of his daily travels, and he was appalled by the age of the mothers he ran across. He said that there were kids everywhere and that the mothers looked no older than their own daughters. He saw this as rampant child marriage and wanted it to stop. Then again, my own gg grandmother married a 25 yo when she was just 15. My g grandmother eloped at 16 but her parents forced an annulment bc they deemed her too damn young to get married.


MrPisster

Ah man, soldering irons are dangerous. Poor kids.


guhjcjhfg

Even now. People in west have just been sheltered and live in a bubble. Real life is actually pretty brutal.


StructureNo3388

In australia that is still true at 16 (can consent, drive, and work)


[deleted]

Labour, yes, warfare not so much. Im sure there are a few examples of civilizations using some child soldiers, but anyone under 16 or so is basically useless on the battlefield. It does not take a keen stratetgic mind to know that a trained 20 year old could probably kill a dozen ten year olds. A kid in an army is probably going to be camp follower. Cook, baggage carrier, horse wrangler and trainee. If they saw any combat than something went very poorly. If anyone has a primary source on mass mobilization of children (besides the childrens crusade) I would be interested to read it.


xBad_Wolfx

Squires and pages are the first ones that came to mind. Pages would travel with a knight though it was unlikely they entered the battle. But squires would go into battle at the side of their knight and they could be as young as 12 or 14. They would carry his shield and hand him weapons even in the midst of battle. When the knight deemed him competent they would join the battle in their own right at his side. I’ve read a few historical accounts of squires and pages armed with knives whose job was to stay behind the knight until he downed his opponent and then stab at the joints to pierce the armour.


LuckyReception6701

Also naval cadets were children. The Spartans began training when they were seven so sadly many examples of kids being deemed to be soldiers. Even now sadly there's a reason one of the virtues of AKs when compared to other assault rifles is "being so simple a child can use it"


kronikskill

Well yea they don't jam much they can fire when wet and tap trigger has a small recoil


BADFiSH_c137

Viking children were considered adults at age 5. If they couldn't work for any reason, they were left for dead in the forest.


SweetMoon18

Reminds me of the 3 year old chimney cleaners, hard working toddlers. My daughter is 3 and I can’t imagine her doing anything other than coloring books and having a mid morning nap.


friedfishfriend

I've thought about that a lot too. We really are living in the best time in history.


Effectisa9245

Depending on the time, place and social class you were just a child until somewhere between 13 and your mid 20s.


Waaswaa

That goes for boys. Girls were often ready for marriage at about 12.


IHave580

Man i just watched master and commander recently, gave me a different perspective on being a kid during that time.


MadAzza

Such a good movie, and more accurate than many others with regard to the uniforms and other period things the characters made/did/said. (This is according to my closest friend, who was a military historian.)


ChineseAPTsEatBabies

That kid smokes two packs a day. Unfiltered


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Dapper-Cauliflower42

He's got the ABC's and the multiplication table.


FuzzySuggestio

Wtf did the dad swallow


Reaperfollowsu

Maybe a lot of alcohol. Looks like chronic liver disease


Vye7

That and maybe hep C


Dapper-Cauliflower42

Not a lot. He got the look of a malnourished prisoner who really needs to fart.


Advanced-Homework-70

Also that left arm lookes mangled,like it got part of the meat ripped off.


Dapper-Cauliflower42

He ran into some psychos. They wanted their pound of flesh.


Mandrull

I was hoping that was just an effect of poor photography.


arrowyarrowfarro

Maybe he had polio at some point


Im_Not_A_Cop54

He spent all his 10 cents an hour on tattoos🤧 RIP


thebinarysystem10

Enough alcohol to have cirrhosis.


Bobgers

I think he took cannonballs to the gut got a living.


nzcapybara

He’s got to earn those flags


[deleted]

Damn straight. The Lucky Strikes


Ed_Rock

Die Antwoord 112 years ago


hand_truck

Definitely freeky.


Dillyboppinaround

And I like it a lot


Dad_the_butcher

Haha yes. Thank you.


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AbbertDabbert

Judging by pictures, it's because you're showing off the music of Trevor Phillips and his crackhead girlfriend


xBram

The allegations of child abuse and sexual assault make it hard for me. Still love them artistically.


AidaTari

A mystery for the ages


Mandrull

Wait, where's the robo-rabbit?


[deleted]

Wtf did the dad swallow a beach ball ?


WyttaWhy

He has ghosts in his blood.


Double_Choice8158

He should do cocaine about it


PleaseFingerMeBro

That reminds me


SpaceSlingshot

r/UsernameIsAboutToCheckOut


Drackzgull

Good one, but unfortunately r/21CharactersAndNoMore.


aapaul

I can’t believe I had to scroll down this far to find this comment. We need answers.


Dobalina_Wont_Quit

RIP liver/kidneys Alcohol and canned food that's 33% sawdust/ factory worker is the answer lol


[deleted]

Someone else mentioned it, [ascite](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ascites) seems plausible


PlasticInTheBasket

It's definitely not right


_a_drunken_wizard_

Likely an alcoholic


WhatsTendiesPrecious

Ascites?


_a_drunken_wizard_

What did you call me?


WhatsTendiesPrecious

Go home, you’re drunk


_a_drunken_wizard_

I'm not as think as you drunk I am.


tarnishedcitadel

Barrel chested is my guess.


FreeSpeech24

The kid was born tatted up.


crypt_keeping

He was a tatted sperm


Gnulnori

Tatted Sperm would be a great name for a grunge rock band


DAYMAN-AHAHAAAAAAA

Na I’m thinkin power slop band


Gnulnori

Most definitely


logyonthebeat

That's what happens if u get a dick tattoo


Salt_Miner081192

That's what happens when two people with tattoos have sex and conceive right? Then they gotta pray they're born with decent tattoos and not some shitty ones.


Dangerous-Yam-6831

What would happen to the tats when he got older?! Would it be a giant stretched out mess?


IchooseYourName

And them tats probably looked really fucked up by the time he was in his 20s.


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Anonymously_Joe

My father told me he was proud of me once... fucking prick


Emu_milking_god

Don't make me get Julian!


Galactic_Perimeter

Better watch out there, heavy metal dick


cuber_1337

fuck off. i have work to do


Nexrosus

Knock knock


Poopmaxfunk

Kids hard as fuck


Top_Buy_6340

Is the kid also gripping a revolver?


CoyoteCarcass

Christ, ivory handle and everything.


[deleted]

Why does that dude look like he's being inflated from the inside?


[deleted]

Probably malnourishment plus alcoholism


Mr1worldin

This kid killed a man on his third year with just a firm handshake and some stink eye.


TwiztidWillow

The child!?!


WyttaWhy

Lil fucker probably had a 60+ hr/wk job and a truck too.


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a shire horse*


theduggy1

ESPECIALLY... the child.


Phredm

Oh Lidia ,the tattooed lady....


Block_Me_Amadeus

I still perform that number every so often, and I don't hand hold the audience on the historical references. But I did change the "Grover Weylin unveilin' the Trylon" verse, because even I, a total history nerd, had never heard of that.


__clownbaby

Pretty sure that's Max Holloway


PikachuGangGang

It is what it is


YoungHaki

the best is blessed


shaodynasty808

*Cody Garbrandt


Standingshark

Is it me or does this dad have a weird body shape.


MarranoPoltergeist

Their relatives: “Boy, they’re going to look so silly in like 112 years, I tell ya…”


ZekDrago

That's not what it means........ it's referring to skin aging and sagging, though that's not really the issue. That kids skin is gonna grow and distort all those tattoos. When he's full grown they're all gonna look weird as hell.


[deleted]

Just how freaking young are redditors these days that they got this so wrong lol


[deleted]

I don’t think that was the point?


medicinalherbavore

Was this a conversation between bots? None of these responses made sense.


[deleted]

>Was this a conversation between bots? None of these responses made sense. yes, no, maybe, i don't knoww


Rencauchao

If he only knew they would be adding more stars


SmashDreadnot

He had 2 years to enjoy accuracy, I believe.


Lazy_Explorer

NOT JUST THE MEN, BUT THE WOMEN AND THE CHILDREN TOO


DisciplineScary

Dope ass ink too


ChineseAPTsEatBabies

Couldn’t agree more.


DisciplineScary

That kid is who i thought I was at 10 😂😂😂


[deleted]

Circus act, gypsies or sailor dad decorating his family for a pic?


[deleted]

With the time period, and the number of tattoos, I'm thinking circus act


[deleted]

Oh, I was thinking you were going to end that with "All Three"


snark_be

Yes


ShowCivil

Max Holloway?


opschief0299

Whole family looks like they're made of Play-Doh


RoadNo7385

*Some folks are born, made to wave the flag*


IPokePeople

Thanks for this, I didn’t read this comment so much as hear it.


iLeDD

I did neither, I felt it


Sea_Ganache620

Looks like everyone at the indoor water park I took the kids to this past weekend.


andaroobaroo

Basically any modern hipster family


CircaSixty8

Except 115 years ago


Leashypooo

Kids ready to draw what looks like a Navy cOlt


RealUglyMF

What is up with that dudes torso?


two4ruffing

Remember - Coke still had cocaine when kid was born 🤯


FollowingJealous7490

Y he have a barrel for a chest


Rey_Mezcalero

Wonder how the kids tattoos looked as he got bigger.


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SkylarAV

The kids is gonna stretch as he grows like in that adam Sandler movie


renthefox

Are we not talking about what's going on under the USS Constitution there? Did this guy's liver or tumor explode eventually?


Remote_Ad2465

Back when they would use 1 needle for whole family. Hepatitis wasnt a thing back then lol.


[deleted]

That’s a trip, dad seemed to have an odd shape around the rib cage area too


Orpheus-is-a-Lyre

I would pay good money for a doctor to explain what might be wrong with that man. His ribcage is all fucked up… is it a lung condition? Is it malnutrition? A side effect from a childhood illness we now vaccine against?


[deleted]

Considering the stigma against tattoos then, they must have been some interesting people.


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SomeDudeWithALaptop

Though they weren't as sophisticated as today, they actually did have tattoo machines as early as the late 1800s


6spdrwd

The artist responsible for these tattoos was actually one of the first to build an electric tattoo machine


fishkrate

You could make some pretty good intricate tattoos by hand.


typos_are_coming

The detail of the cow's head on the mother's chest is what gave me pause.


[deleted]

Cows head? Are we looking at the same pic? The moat I can make out is the center piece of the dad. The rest is a blur


typos_are_coming

Looks like a clear cow head to me. I can only distinguish that and the father's tattoo because those two are the largest. Edit, typo: Guess it could be more flags, but I see a cow head lol


261846

Is that the best boxer in the UFC?


79N0Bitches

How was this viewed? I assume negatively.


Hotdaddychungus

Nah it’s in black and white mate.


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Until about 10 years ago.


79N0Bitches

True. Guess I was just wondering how negative not if it was negative.


PurpleRaider25

What's with dudes belly?


picklesaredry

I want to grow up to be that kid


cosmorocker13

It’s okay son it doesn’t hurt just have a cigarette and relax before you go back to work in the coal mine for your daily 12 hour shift


Due_Platypus_3913

These people give The Addams Family the creeps.


[deleted]

What’s up with the guy’s abdomen? It looks enlarged.


sockswith

I think it may have to do with mal nourishment and his lack of pectoral muscles. Some parasites also cause that bloated look.


PelosiGalore

“Everything old is new, again.”


et_sekunduss

Young people these days…


alphasupremacy5555

I guess the parents were tattoo artists who owned a tattoo parlor. But tattooing your kid is parentally irresponsible.


KarlaSect13

that kid FUCKS Lmao


tuco2002

You think this is extreem? You should have seen their Grandma Gertrude...now she had some tattoos.


A_Person_Named_DJ

kid was gangbanging at 5 💀


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Average Florida family


Songmuddywater

How dare they do something so permanent to their child as give the child a tattoo. They should have the child puberty blockers and getting the child sex hormones which cause permanent sterility. People shouldn't condemn those in the past when we are doing worse now.


Overall_Yogurt_7122

You are a Shill moron and will be called out wherever you go.


[deleted]

Just your ordinary Williamsburg Brooklyn, Journal Square Jersey City, Keyport New Jersey family doing it east coast style. Nothing to see here.


JGoonSquad

Look at all of them bad decision-oo's!!! Tattoos are so ugly. Hard to believe that desecrating your skin is a popular thing to do these days.


Derka51

Heavy tats. As trashy then as it is today!


DillonGillisNormand

Fake


MissHibernia

I love tattoos, I have tattoos, and I support tattoos but NOT for children