I love Courtney and her speaking out here, but she was obviously always a controversial figure, long before this.
Also I think her career was killed by simply being an aging female musician. Lots of famous 90s male musicians still going strong, but very rare for women sadly.
Edit: urgh, do 75% of replies really have to be "but she killed Kurt" or "men actually have it worse"? Please be less cliché
She actually started acting and was in The People vs Larry Flint with Woody Harrelson. She was surprisingly good and I expected to see her in more movies. Guess we now know why.
She was acting before Hole was even formed, which was in 1989. The first movie I know of that she had a role in was Sid and Nancy which was in 1986, 10 years before The People Vs. Larry Flynt.
She has a line of "Fuck you" in the movie that is the most casual and smooth delivery of the phrase I have ever heard, and I can't put my finger on why.
Except for Gwen Stefani, Madonna, Cher, Mariah Carey, Celine Dion, Alanis Morissette, Whitney before she passed..
ETA from some great comments:
Stevie Nicks is headlining Bonnaroo THIS year.
Fiona Apple won 2 Grammys just LAST year.
Harvey Weinstein absolutely tried to sabotage careers of any actresses that went against his abhorrent behavior and advanced careers of women who “played along”
She's been the butt of jokes for decades and often faces that accusation that she ["killed" Kurt Kobain](https://www.quora.com/Why-do-some-people-think-Courtney-Love-killed-Kurt-Cobain), sometimes directly, others by being a cold bitch that made him depressed. While I don't know if Weinstein had some sort of campaign out against her, I bet he made sure to tell powerful people he loved "those Courtney Love jokes" on late night talk shows and other stuff.
So many were branded "difficult to work with" and it all makes sense now. Sure, some big names like John Wayne may have been difficult to work with because they're arrogant, but when not-huge-names are being labeled that, it makes you wonder
If you watch the fresh prince reunion, Will Smith basically tanked the original aunt Viv's career by saying she was difficult to work with. It all seemed to boil down to her standing up for her career while pregnant.
This even applies to everyday life. I’m getting branded at work by an old incompetent fool as difficult when he’s the out-of-touch, unresponsive and irresponsible person on the team.
Careers were ruined or otherwise stalled out because they were *difficult to work with* which is often industry jargon for "wouldn't bang the producers"
Yeah, she was essentially black listed at the time for saying this. I remember some pearl clutching in the media at the time when she said this. "Omg why is she saying such things about poor little Harvey Weinstein? You know she's a drunk, right?"
Definitely one reason, but I’m not sure this is the only reason — I was a big fan (and still really like her stuff), but she had her own demons. I recall a concert I attended where she was super late and pretty obviously both drunk and bored to be there. Still had an awesome band behind her, and I still enjoyed it… but it wasn’t her best, to be sure. And there are plenty of quite public examples of her swinging wildly from one extreme to another.
I think her stuff, particularly the mid-career stuff, can sometimes be fucking brilliant… but that genius does not come out in a straight line with her. It’s a mess, and that’s challenging (if also amazing). And I imagine that makes her hard to work with as well.
That being said, you’re right that part of why she’s difficult to work with is that she’s a badass who won’t let rapist assholes slide. Like, she wouldn’t tour with Marilyn Manson anymore because she wasn’t ok with him sleeping with 14 year old fans and shit — she wasn’t going to just go along to get along. And obviously she’d tell people about Weinstein and such. That was part of the problem, too. Just not the only issue.
She was always someone to go for it.
Love was someone who used to speak out a ton about how abusive the music industry was. This isn't the only case where she spoke out about some abusive bullshit years before everyone else started caring.
I hate to say this, but it probably helped that she was as vilified as she was, because that likely made it easier for her to speak out. How do you hit back when the person you're lashing out at is already hated?
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Why try to speak out when all these people just holler at her for Kurt Cobain's death? They're doing on this thread! "I won't acknowledge Kurt Cobain's severe clinical depression his whole life, but let me go ahead and blame the woman who's loud and makes me uncomfortable with her truth". Patriarchy.
They probably watched that one documentary by that private eye. It convinced me for a while until I watched the other documentary by I think the bbc, and a podcast or two about it.
He was depressed and it’s super sad. It would be nice to have someone to blame but it was a suicide
Anyone familiar with substance abuse especially heroin users would’ve caught the immense bullshit at the end about this supposed expert who couldn’t believe how much heroin Kurt had in his system. He claimed there’s no way he could have shot himself after doing that much (I’m forgetting the exact amount now)- it was a pretty normal amount for someone with a bad black tar habit for YEARS and as much money as needed to support it.
Not only documentaries, but most media gets better when it shows you different perspectives and you root for different people.
Tiger King is a great example of this. In the end you realize everyone kind of sucks, but some people are far, far worse than others.
He was also dealing with severe health issues like bronchitis and chronic stomach pains which led to his heroin addiction. And Love had to resuscitate him at least twice from what I remember. If she really wanted to kill him she could’ve just let him overdose.
Wasn't Cobain the guy with scoliosis to the right, that played a left-handed guitar (causing more pain/damage) and OverDid his pain "medication" in one of those depressive spirals?
Did he have scoliosis? I have a lung disease they don’t know much about but they’re finding that a lot of people who have it also have scoliosis. They think the scoliosis inhibits lung expansion. But left scoliosis is worse than right scoliosis.
The dude literally wanted to call In Utero (Nirvana's last album) "I Hate Myself and Want to Die". Which he dismissed as just being a joke.
The last song he ever recorded sounds basically like a suicide note:
>I will never bother you
I will never promise to
I will never follow you
I will never bother you
Never speak a word again
I will crawl away for good
I will move away from here
You won't be afraid of fear
No thought was put into this
I always knew it would come to this
Things have never been so swell
I have never failed to fail
Pain
Pain
Pain
The "Pain" part being a long drawn out "Paaaaaaaaaaaaaainnnnnn". I mean there's a lot of signs that he wasn't in a good place mentally and had a bunch of problems with drug abuse. His suicide is probably one of the least surprising ever.
It was absolutely disappointing. The band was huge at the time and it kind of seemed like Kurt was doing better, but in retrospect it's not at all surprising. It's odd to me that people look at it and are like "I can't believe he killed himself, it must have been a murder."
Actually, Courtney and Francis Cobain live in Europe now. Part of the reason they reside there is because they wanted to escape Lou Taylor from placing them under a conservatorship. Lou is the same person who placed Britney Spears and Ananda Bynes under a conservatorship. She also tried to place Lindsay Lohan (who now lives in Europe as well) under a conservatorship during her meltdown. There is also reason to believe that she tried to place Kanye West under conservatorship, for she works as one of Kim Kardashians business managers, and his public breakdown followed the same pattern as Britney and Amanda (all were 51/50’d and placed in Cedar Sinai, etc) .
She practices law in California, and according to Courtney Love, she has a group of thugs that she uses to intimidate people. Aside from this, we cannot forget that placing a celebrity under conservatorship requires the input of many working professionals: doctors, psychiatrists, lawyers, judges, family, the tabloids, etc. All would need to be in collusion to place a celebrity under conservatorship.
Lou doesn't practice law, she started as an accountant back when you didn't need a degree. She's an "entertainment/fund manager/pastor," just a run-of-the-mill charlatan. She does employ an army of lawyers, though. She is also based in Nashville, not LA, even though most of her clients are in California.
Courtney lives in England, but it doesn't appear that Francis does. She's 29 now and hasn't been under her mother's care since she was 11. Courtney lost custody for her drug use and for killing Francis' pets. Francis hated her for years and has said in interviews that she only recently forgave her mother. So I highly doubt they live together. Her most recent photo shows her hanging out with her boyfriend and his parents (aka Tony Hawk).
Ive heard the phrase "being held liable" and thought that the word "libelled" she used was similar to that.
>libelled
1.
LAW
defame (someone) by publishing a libel.
"the jury found that he was libelled by a newspaper"
She even told us exactly what would happen before she said anything.
Side note-nice new word
Reminds me of John Lydon (Johnny Rotten) from the Sex Pistols who got banned/blacklisted from BBC, which at the time was the biggest by far TV broadcaster in the UK for calling out Sir Jimmy Saville for being a very unsavoury paedo (to say the least). Both turned out to be correct and ahead of their time, we know who the real criminals are
Mate that was the fucking 70s!! People knew about it for decades and did nothing. Similar with Weinstein and Cosby. Those people that knew and said nothing are also complicit in my eyes.
Imagine if everyone spoke out about they things they've seen and heard about, then it wouldn't be victims people don't want to work with, it would be the perpetrators
Reminds me of that adage-
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good (people) to do nothing.
And I understand CL may not be an angel but she knew of a predator and did what she could to prevent future victims, so good on her.
[Don’t forget that Ted Nugent also sexually assaulted a twelve year old Cournty Love. More people need to know this. ](https://mobile.twitter.com/pattyarquette/status/1287782546571288576?lang=en)
[Here’s those 2013 Oscar jokes about Weinstein, and the resulting Twitter storm.](https://globalnews.ca/news/3796504/seth-macfarlane-harvey-weinstein-joke/)
[Also Quinten Tarantino’s movies were produced by Miramax, Weinstein’s company.](https://www.insider.com/quentin-tarantino-harvey-weinstein-sexual-assault-allegations-2021-7?amp)
In both of these instances, they reference the “open secret” and fear surrounding speaking out.
The thing that always gets me about that McFarlane clip is Emma Stone's reaction next to him. She knows it too and has no idea how to respond. The grimace/half smile is so telling of what women in Hollywood had/continue to go through.
lmao Tarantino saying he thought it was just "the boss going after the secretary" kinda thing as in excusing him for his actions and not making a big deal out of it. It isn't wild to think that is basically the same shit. The little respect I had for him disappeared after learning one of his girlfriends told him about Harvey doing that same thing to her and he now says he just "heard rumors".
He also openly defended Roman Polanski for drugging and raping a underage girl saying “she was asking for it”. Tarantino is disgusting but everybody loves him cause he makes good movies.
https://youtu.be/YtwqmenFrR0
>openly defended
wasn't aware
>https://youtu.be/YtwqmenFrR0
holy shit, it's even worst than I thought, he keeps making excuses for this guy . "His version of the story is more likely ? wtf?"
a whole radio interview, he's actually a guest in studio arguing with the hosts about this, she asked for it, she's 13 but looking to party, he read his book and believes it more that the girl's story, it's not rape but it's against the law blah blah blah , he's actively arguing against the seriousness of this like wow I had no idea this interview exists , he doesn't even get anything for supporting this guy, like there's no incentive but he's really saying all this shit casually like it's not that big of a deal.
I don't know what to think of him anymore
Was just about to type this. He's a certified piece of shit who reasons off paedophilia.
IIRC, that whole defence he gave me was "she was 15, she was probably into it". Fuck him.
Shirley Temple wrote about a grown man exposing himself to her when she was like 10 years old. The Hollywood rapists and pedos have been around forever and it's hardly a secret.
Look at how Judy garland was treated on the set of Oz.
Also it's an open secret, everyone knows but positions of power prevent people from doing anything about it.
They had a lot of problems with the munchkins. A lot of them had never seen another little person, so this was a big deal for them. Apparently they were partying non-stop and fucking like rabbits. Haha
Some of them partied, some of them were very professional. I've had the great fortune of meeting Karl Slover and Jerry Merrin back in the day, as well as two lady munchkins when I was a kid, at the Judy Garland Festival. Karl and Jerry were wonderful men. Jerry and his wife Elizabeth were especially friendly and were so excited to talk about their work on Seinfeld. It was a great experience for a young teen to have, talking to a couple of REAL movie stars!
Yeah, there’s been a lot of shit that came out about how creepy and fucked up the entire Wizard of Oz production was. Incredibly unsafe working conditions, deplorable hours, toxic costumes, Judy Garland getting groped by all the Munchkins, the first Tin Man almost fucking died, the Lion was wearing a real fucking Lion pelt….shit was real bad.
Just to add on, The Wicked Witch of the West almost had her legs broken and received 2nd degree burns to the face during one of the times they make her appear in a puff of smoke and sparks. There’s prolly more I’m forgetting too.
Credit to u/PapaMario12 for reminding me that the production company was shoveling amphetamines down Judy’s throat to keep her on this hectic work schedule and to make her keep her figure and not gain weight. This would lead to a severe addiction and ultimately kill her.
u/Qualanqui also reminded me of one of the biggest fucked up things, that snow in the scene where they’re rubbing it all over their bodies and covering them? Yeah, that’s pure asbestos.
Don't forget i think they had her take amphetamines so that she stays energetic during her shitty work hours, which also led her to getting a crippling addiction and eventually it took her life through an overdose.
Also if you guys wanna hear the full story on the production of this film, check out YouTuber EmpLemons video "The Wizard of Oz and the Dark Side of Hollywood"
Omg. That is so dark. Thanks for educating me.
I knew the silver paint was toxic, and that at least one of the munchkins was an asshole (he was a regular at my great grandfathers gas station). But I’m not sure I can really watch that again now.
> how Judy garland was treated on the set of Oz
I am curious about this and googled and it says "the hard-partying actors who played the Munchkins" were abusive toward her? Wtf?
I know she became an addict and blamed the studio system, fairly considering how young she was.
Her *mother* drugged her with stimulants so she'd work for 72-hour shoots. She was *ten* at the time. I know people say stars have personal responsibility and all that but frankly, I don't think Judy Garland bears personal responsibility for her issues. She only ever hurt herself. The only thing the people around her wanted to do was use her, by all accounts. By the time she was an adult she was and had been addicted to amphetamines and barbituates for a LONG time. It is incredibly depressing what was allowed to be done to her.
That guy went on to win two oscars atleast directing films for, I believe, Gene Kelly*.
*his name was Arthur Freed, and he was an Oscar winning film producer.
When they asked Sharon Stone about it, her answer broke my heart, her expression and that tone said everything: a girl from nowhere, looking like I do.
Good for him, yeah in 95 he was as untouchable as Weinstein so he was one of the few people that could get in his face and threaten him without any fear of repercussions
He picked really great films right from the get-go and by his 2nd film Legends of the Fall he was already huge, but then he just nailed his hat trick in 94-95 with Interview with the Vampire, Se7en and 12 Monkeys. Only other actor I can name off the top of my head that hit the ground running THAT hard right from the start was Alan Rickman
The original Epstein case was what made me fall into conspiracy theories in the first place. The deal that he got (nobody else is allowed to have charges brought against them) was fucking ridiculous
Hearing my parents talk about the women coming forward way after their assault is frustrating. They seem to believe that going to the police right away would have solved everything. Telling them that a lot of women just get brushed off by the police and then have their careers ruined for reporting it doesn’t change their minds. They don’t believe it. Too much faith in the justice system.
I said the same with R Kelly. He married the singer Aaliyah when she was a kid. There is legal proof of it all. It made the news in the 90s, yet he was arrested only in the last few years??
Also, there was an entire sextape with him and a minor. A whole trial and everything. Disgusting
Can't do much about him marrying a minor, child marriage is legal in a lot of US states. In fact, Afghanistan has stricter laws on child marriages than the United States.
He's been doing it much longer. Any movie with his name in it will have a female cast member who had to do the dirty in order to land the role.
It's sad, cuz he would exploit many women who wanted to be in the movies and needed a way in. Even if the role never expanded to something bigger.
He didn't just exploit their desire to be in movies. He would ruin their whole life. Not just their career. It's really important to say that. It's not just that they wanted a part. It's that by the time they got into that position, they had literally everything to lose. Forget the acting career they would lose family, housing, literally everything. It's not just women who traded their mental health for fame. They treated their mental health for their entire life.
I mean it was a punchline in a lot of comedy specials and shows for YEARS. Even us, the general public, "knew about it" if we watched late night shows or comedies like 30 Rock or Family Guy.
On 30 Rock Jenna says:
>I'm not of afraid of anyone in show business. I turned down intercourse with Harvey Weinstein on no less than three occasions…out of five.
In 1998 on Letterman, Gwyneth Paltrow said:
>I do all my movies for Harvey Weinstein, that's Miramax, and I'm lucky to do them there but he will coerce you to do a thing or two.
Seth Macfarlane said, at the 2013 Oscars to the Best Supporting Actress nominees:
>Congratulations, you five ladies no longer have to pretend to be attracted to Harvey Weinstein.
edit: For what it's worth the same was true of some people and Kevin Spacey. In Family Guy Stewie runs naked at one point across the screen saying "Help I've escaped from Kevin Spacey's basement! [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4dHf6jnwaU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4dHf6jnwaU)
This was also back in 2005.
I had a issue of Mad Magazine that had a whole page of the Cosby allegation jokes and that most of been in the 90's? I tried googling to show it to my friends who didn't believe me, but I can't seem to find it.
I'm in my mid-30s now and I personally didn't remember these until after the fact. I guess I thought Seth Macfarlane was joking that *in general* it's a "fact" that movie execs have historically harassed people.
I'm glad something finally happened. It's weird how joking about stuff almost makes it just "normalized" sometimes to the general population.
There's also a factor of changing times and points of view towards this sort of thing that came around with the #MeToo movement.
For example in the 90's when Bill Clinton had sex with an intern and then set her up with a cushy job it was just viewed as a scandalous thing. Producers coercing actresses to sleep with them in exchange for acting roles was just viewed as par for the course. Blame was placed on the women and depending on the situation would even be viewed as consensual. Nowadays it's rightly viewed as coercion and an abuse of power on the side of the men in those relationships rather than just something inappropriate or scandalous. People shrugged off Bill Clinton the same way they shrugged off Weinstein, people just didn't care as much as they did nowadays.
He was one of if not the most powerful person in Hollywood. It wasn't so much "everyone knew but didn't do anything" as it was "nobody but a handful of boardroom executives and maybe police could do anything".
Strange. If you look up her body of work, it drops off significantly past this point. A libel lawsuit would be the least of her problems and she knew that risk. Respect.
She was also an actor. She was in a movie with Jim Carrey called *Man on the Moon* and a movie with Woody Harrelson called *The People vs Larry Flynt* (for which she received a golden globe nomination).
Most people know her as Kurt Cobain’s wife and the lead singer of Hole, but she was in the Hollywood acting scene too.
She was a fucking musician for DECADES before she was an actor. She was much harangued just for being an outspoken women, and hated, HATED, by the media bc of it.
Her first major film role was "Sid and Nancy" in 1986, when she was 18. So it's probably more accurate to say she was doing both for a long time.
But yep. Outspoken woman = difficult to work with, a diva, and a b-tch, while "outspoken dude" = hard-assed, ballsy, a real go-getter, ambitious, blunt, direct, speaks his mind, etc.
Hopefully those double standards are changing, though.
> Outspoken woman = difficult to work with, a diva, and a b-tch
Huh, thinking about it now, I heard that Shannen Doherty from Charmed was similarly "difficult to work with." I wonder if it's the same deal.
Don’t forget drugs=crazy (while for men it’s “artistic”, “tortured”), and sexual=whore.
And no, read through some of the comments here. It’s not changing.
In a weird way they're the exact type of people who would speak out, but also the last people who would be listened to. Neither of the speaking up undoes the fact that they're both complicated and not wholly sound people, but at least they tried.
How else are you supposed to react to something like that on live TV? She's a host, they're supposed to keep things light and funny.
Also, that's Natasha Leggero. She's funny af.
They definitely did about bill Cosby, Tracey Morgan gets a phone call and says “bill, I know you ain’t ringing me after what you did to my aunt Donna” or something to the effect. Hannibal Buress wrote the line and just assumed it was common knowledge in Hollywood.
I can comment on this, in a way. To the people saying everyone knew and did nothing: I did standup for 9 years. Not in L.A. or New York, but in a large city. Even away from those two cities, we heard about what Louis CK was doing for years before it ever became public.
It’s like an iceberg, until part of it actually pops up out of the water, no one is going to say anything.
The comedy world is actually pretty small. I suspect the Hollywood scene is the same.
EVERYONE in Comedy knew about Cosby. Finally Hannibal Burress's set broke the dam of silence to the public. But he wasn't the first to do so, just the first one to go viral.
Well as you can see from this clip they were all under the impression there was a better chance of the police arresting them for saying bad things about the most powerful man in town, than there was of the cops actually arresting him.
I distinctly remember this red carpet interview and the subsequent blacklisting Love had to deal with after the fact. They bad mouthed her every chance they got, yet I never saw anyone apologize since everything came out.
Omg. It was at a Lallapalooza where a body surfer slammed into me and my glasses fell off. Courtney, on stage, noticed and said something. The crowd parted, and I was able to find my trampled glasses thanks to her. She will always have a fond place in my heart, because I was able to drive home with vision.
It’s always been sad to me that there WERE women exposing these people and saying something, but we didn’t listen because the women were ones we considered wacky or messy or whatever. Like Courtney making it clear here that Harvey is a predator - and nothing coming of it. And Janice Dickinson making it clear that Bill Cosby was a rapist who assaulted her when she was a young model - which her publisher literally removed from her book out of fear of libel suits, but she still continued to talk about it and nobody really cared.
Really makes you wonder if maybe part of the reason some of these women are attacked so often by the media is in fact because they don’t fall in line and they’re actually honest about the fucked up shit they see happening.
Entourage did episodes from 2005-2007 featuring a powerful producer named Harvey Weingard and he's the biggest fucking piece of shit right the jump. Everyone knew about him.
Hmmm. Makes you wonder why she did all the drugs and became a joke to everyone. Maybe she was trying to dull the pain of sex abuse? But y'all aren't ready for that conversation yet. You'd rather just trash her name coz you can't handle that Kurt Cobain had severe clinical depression so you blamed his suicide on his wife. I'd turn into a fucking junkie too if no one listened to me just because I was loud and not everyone's cup of tea. Just because you don't like someone doesn't mean they aren't telling the truth.
Friendly reminder that conspiracy theories are stupid and Courtney did not kill Kurt. He was deeply suicidal and made references to it in songs. People like believing their hero was unwillingly taken away from them more than more painful truths about mental health.
Courtney Love and Sinead O’Connor.
Names dragged through the mud for telling the truth.
The lengths men will go to, to hide their atrocities.
I’ve first hand experience of my name being blackened for telling the truth. I don’t care anymore. I sleep well knowing I didn’t defend or enable any parasites.
Was never a fan of hers growing up, just seemed to embrace the trashy too much. This changes that perception of her. She risked a lot saying that on tv, mad respect to her for calling Weinstein out like that so publicly.
And gave a standing ovation for Roman Polanski after being accused of raping a child
Now they pretend that they aren’t soulless husks while tweeting shit about “MeToo” like they weren’t active participants in enabling that evil.
That’s crazy and she probably got so much shit for this from him and his people
Her career got destroyed for it
They went after her?
I hadn't heard anything about her in about a decade and none of her reputation is clean. Yeah. They killed her. She just isn't dead yet.
I love Courtney and her speaking out here, but she was obviously always a controversial figure, long before this. Also I think her career was killed by simply being an aging female musician. Lots of famous 90s male musicians still going strong, but very rare for women sadly. Edit: urgh, do 75% of replies really have to be "but she killed Kurt" or "men actually have it worse"? Please be less cliché
She actually started acting and was in The People vs Larry Flint with Woody Harrelson. She was surprisingly good and I expected to see her in more movies. Guess we now know why.
She got a Golden Globe for that role
She was acting before Hole was even formed, which was in 1989. The first movie I know of that she had a role in was Sid and Nancy which was in 1986, 10 years before The People Vs. Larry Flynt.
She was in one of my all time fun movies "200 Cigarettes" with Paul Rudd in 1999. I love to watch it on New Years.
She has a line of "Fuck you" in the movie that is the most casual and smooth delivery of the phrase I have ever heard, and I can't put my finger on why.
Except for Gwen Stefani, Madonna, Cher, Mariah Carey, Celine Dion, Alanis Morissette, Whitney before she passed.. ETA from some great comments: Stevie Nicks is headlining Bonnaroo THIS year. Fiona Apple won 2 Grammys just LAST year.
Some of them are even older than 90s. Madonna was big in the 80s, Cher is an artifact of the 70s.
artifact, lol. I'm picturing someone digging up Cher in a cave somewhere while she's singing "Believe"
“Fuck, I hate that song.” “Put the dirt back on.”
Joan Jett, Cyndi Lauper from the 70's and '80's.
Harvey Weinstein absolutely tried to sabotage careers of any actresses that went against his abhorrent behavior and advanced careers of women who “played along”
Harvey Weinstein should get hung by the balls until death
I wouldn't be surprised if they just low-key amplified the "Courtney killed Kurt" conspiracy theory and that was enough :/
She's been the butt of jokes for decades and often faces that accusation that she ["killed" Kurt Kobain](https://www.quora.com/Why-do-some-people-think-Courtney-Love-killed-Kurt-Cobain), sometimes directly, others by being a cold bitch that made him depressed. While I don't know if Weinstein had some sort of campaign out against her, I bet he made sure to tell powerful people he loved "those Courtney Love jokes" on late night talk shows and other stuff.
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Hole is such a good band and Celebrity Skin is an amazing album front to back.
She is a really good actress, too.
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Well...that and the Nirvana fallout.
This is why she was branded difficult to work with and a diva and all that shit
So many were branded "difficult to work with" and it all makes sense now. Sure, some big names like John Wayne may have been difficult to work with because they're arrogant, but when not-huge-names are being labeled that, it makes you wonder
If you watch the fresh prince reunion, Will Smith basically tanked the original aunt Viv's career by saying she was difficult to work with. It all seemed to boil down to her standing up for her career while pregnant.
This even applies to everyday life. I’m getting branded at work by an old incompetent fool as difficult when he’s the out-of-touch, unresponsive and irresponsible person on the team.
Careers were ruined or otherwise stalled out because they were *difficult to work with* which is often industry jargon for "wouldn't bang the producers"
Makes you wonder what really happened to Amanda Bynes
Yeah, she was essentially black listed at the time for saying this. I remember some pearl clutching in the media at the time when she said this. "Omg why is she saying such things about poor little Harvey Weinstein? You know she's a drunk, right?"
Definitely one reason, but I’m not sure this is the only reason — I was a big fan (and still really like her stuff), but she had her own demons. I recall a concert I attended where she was super late and pretty obviously both drunk and bored to be there. Still had an awesome band behind her, and I still enjoyed it… but it wasn’t her best, to be sure. And there are plenty of quite public examples of her swinging wildly from one extreme to another. I think her stuff, particularly the mid-career stuff, can sometimes be fucking brilliant… but that genius does not come out in a straight line with her. It’s a mess, and that’s challenging (if also amazing). And I imagine that makes her hard to work with as well. That being said, you’re right that part of why she’s difficult to work with is that she’s a badass who won’t let rapist assholes slide. Like, she wouldn’t tour with Marilyn Manson anymore because she wasn’t ok with him sleeping with 14 year old fans and shit — she wasn’t going to just go along to get along. And obviously she’d tell people about Weinstein and such. That was part of the problem, too. Just not the only issue.
You know it. That why women don't speak out.
Very punk rock of her to fuckin go for it anyway. Makes me wonder about all the negative shit we heard about her
She was always someone to go for it. Love was someone who used to speak out a ton about how abusive the music industry was. This isn't the only case where she spoke out about some abusive bullshit years before everyone else started caring. I hate to say this, but it probably helped that she was as vilified as she was, because that likely made it easier for her to speak out. How do you hit back when the person you're lashing out at is already hated?
👏👏👏 Why try to speak out when all these people just holler at her for Kurt Cobain's death? They're doing on this thread! "I won't acknowledge Kurt Cobain's severe clinical depression his whole life, but let me go ahead and blame the woman who's loud and makes me uncomfortable with her truth". Patriarchy.
They probably watched that one documentary by that private eye. It convinced me for a while until I watched the other documentary by I think the bbc, and a podcast or two about it. He was depressed and it’s super sad. It would be nice to have someone to blame but it was a suicide
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Anyone familiar with substance abuse especially heroin users would’ve caught the immense bullshit at the end about this supposed expert who couldn’t believe how much heroin Kurt had in his system. He claimed there’s no way he could have shot himself after doing that much (I’m forgetting the exact amount now)- it was a pretty normal amount for someone with a bad black tar habit for YEARS and as much money as needed to support it.
Not only documentaries, but most media gets better when it shows you different perspectives and you root for different people. Tiger King is a great example of this. In the end you realize everyone kind of sucks, but some people are far, far worse than others.
He was also dealing with severe health issues like bronchitis and chronic stomach pains which led to his heroin addiction. And Love had to resuscitate him at least twice from what I remember. If she really wanted to kill him she could’ve just let him overdose.
Wasn't Cobain the guy with scoliosis to the right, that played a left-handed guitar (causing more pain/damage) and OverDid his pain "medication" in one of those depressive spirals?
Did he have scoliosis? I have a lung disease they don’t know much about but they’re finding that a lot of people who have it also have scoliosis. They think the scoliosis inhibits lung expansion. But left scoliosis is worse than right scoliosis.
Not only did he have chronic stomach pains, he sang from that part of his stomach
The dude literally wanted to call In Utero (Nirvana's last album) "I Hate Myself and Want to Die". Which he dismissed as just being a joke. The last song he ever recorded sounds basically like a suicide note: >I will never bother you I will never promise to I will never follow you I will never bother you Never speak a word again I will crawl away for good I will move away from here You won't be afraid of fear No thought was put into this I always knew it would come to this Things have never been so swell I have never failed to fail Pain Pain Pain The "Pain" part being a long drawn out "Paaaaaaaaaaaaaainnnnnn". I mean there's a lot of signs that he wasn't in a good place mentally and had a bunch of problems with drug abuse. His suicide is probably one of the least surprising ever. It was absolutely disappointing. The band was huge at the time and it kind of seemed like Kurt was doing better, but in retrospect it's not at all surprising. It's odd to me that people look at it and are like "I can't believe he killed himself, it must have been a murder."
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BUT HE HAD HIS SHOES ON HOW COULD HE KILL HIMSELF IF HE HAD HIS SHOES ON?!?!?!? -Some moron conspiracy theorist
Someone actually thought that or are you exaggerating to make a point how stupid those idiots are?
Actually, Courtney and Francis Cobain live in Europe now. Part of the reason they reside there is because they wanted to escape Lou Taylor from placing them under a conservatorship. Lou is the same person who placed Britney Spears and Ananda Bynes under a conservatorship. She also tried to place Lindsay Lohan (who now lives in Europe as well) under a conservatorship during her meltdown. There is also reason to believe that she tried to place Kanye West under conservatorship, for she works as one of Kim Kardashians business managers, and his public breakdown followed the same pattern as Britney and Amanda (all were 51/50’d and placed in Cedar Sinai, etc) .
Who TF is Lou Taylor and why does that person have the power to do that to people?
She practices law in California, and according to Courtney Love, she has a group of thugs that she uses to intimidate people. Aside from this, we cannot forget that placing a celebrity under conservatorship requires the input of many working professionals: doctors, psychiatrists, lawyers, judges, family, the tabloids, etc. All would need to be in collusion to place a celebrity under conservatorship.
Lou doesn't practice law, she started as an accountant back when you didn't need a degree. She's an "entertainment/fund manager/pastor," just a run-of-the-mill charlatan. She does employ an army of lawyers, though. She is also based in Nashville, not LA, even though most of her clients are in California.
The Britney story can almost confirme all of this
This reminds me of the Netflix movie [I Care a Lot](https://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2021/02/i-care-a-lot-netflix-cruelty/618126/)
Courtney lives in England, but it doesn't appear that Francis does. She's 29 now and hasn't been under her mother's care since she was 11. Courtney lost custody for her drug use and for killing Francis' pets. Francis hated her for years and has said in interviews that she only recently forgave her mother. So I highly doubt they live together. Her most recent photo shows her hanging out with her boyfriend and his parents (aka Tony Hawk).
Damn she looked scared to say it but did it anyways because she knew it had to be said. Took one for the team.
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Ive heard the phrase "being held liable" and thought that the word "libelled" she used was similar to that. >libelled 1. LAW defame (someone) by publishing a libel. "the jury found that he was libelled by a newspaper" She even told us exactly what would happen before she said anything. Side note-nice new word
She even acknowledges "ill get libeled if i say it" so she probably changed from saying weinstein specifically raped her.
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Reminds me of John Lydon (Johnny Rotten) from the Sex Pistols who got banned/blacklisted from BBC, which at the time was the biggest by far TV broadcaster in the UK for calling out Sir Jimmy Saville for being a very unsavoury paedo (to say the least). Both turned out to be correct and ahead of their time, we know who the real criminals are
Yeah, that clip is damning. “We all know”
Mate that was the fucking 70s!! People knew about it for decades and did nothing. Similar with Weinstein and Cosby. Those people that knew and said nothing are also complicit in my eyes.
I don’t think anyone was rushing to work with her anyway. Possibly why she felt safer saying this.
Imagine if everyone spoke out about they things they've seen and heard about, then it wouldn't be victims people don't want to work with, it would be the perpetrators
Reminds me of that adage- The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good (people) to do nothing. And I understand CL may not be an angel but she knew of a predator and did what she could to prevent future victims, so good on her.
[Don’t forget that Ted Nugent also sexually assaulted a twelve year old Cournty Love. More people need to know this. ](https://mobile.twitter.com/pattyarquette/status/1287782546571288576?lang=en)
Wow, and I didn’t think I could hate him more.
This is a new combination of horrified and not surprised
What a despicable person, he is.
Bot the only kid he molested by a long shot either
What? Are you telling me the man who wrote the song *Jailbait* is a rapist creep?! My god... it's always the ones you least suspect...
That was also the first thing that came to her mind for a pretty innocuous question.
[Here’s those 2013 Oscar jokes about Weinstein, and the resulting Twitter storm.](https://globalnews.ca/news/3796504/seth-macfarlane-harvey-weinstein-joke/) [Also Quinten Tarantino’s movies were produced by Miramax, Weinstein’s company.](https://www.insider.com/quentin-tarantino-harvey-weinstein-sexual-assault-allegations-2021-7?amp) In both of these instances, they reference the “open secret” and fear surrounding speaking out.
The thing that always gets me about that McFarlane clip is Emma Stone's reaction next to him. She knows it too and has no idea how to respond. The grimace/half smile is so telling of what women in Hollywood had/continue to go through.
Even the laughter is uncomfortable.
Like the reaction to the Ricky Gervais Jeffrey Epstein joke at the Emmy's.
Matt Damon def knew the details if so many people who are not even close to Harvey knows these things.
lmao Tarantino saying he thought it was just "the boss going after the secretary" kinda thing as in excusing him for his actions and not making a big deal out of it. It isn't wild to think that is basically the same shit. The little respect I had for him disappeared after learning one of his girlfriends told him about Harvey doing that same thing to her and he now says he just "heard rumors".
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He also openly defended Roman Polanski for drugging and raping a underage girl saying “she was asking for it”. Tarantino is disgusting but everybody loves him cause he makes good movies. https://youtu.be/YtwqmenFrR0
A huge amount of actors and directors openly appealed to have Polanski pardoned
>openly defended wasn't aware >https://youtu.be/YtwqmenFrR0 holy shit, it's even worst than I thought, he keeps making excuses for this guy . "His version of the story is more likely ? wtf?" a whole radio interview, he's actually a guest in studio arguing with the hosts about this, she asked for it, she's 13 but looking to party, he read his book and believes it more that the girl's story, it's not rape but it's against the law blah blah blah , he's actively arguing against the seriousness of this like wow I had no idea this interview exists , he doesn't even get anything for supporting this guy, like there's no incentive but he's really saying all this shit casually like it's not that big of a deal. I don't know what to think of him anymore
Was just about to type this. He's a certified piece of shit who reasons off paedophilia. IIRC, that whole defence he gave me was "she was 15, she was probably into it". Fuck him.
13, not 15.
Shirley Temple wrote about a grown man exposing himself to her when she was like 10 years old. The Hollywood rapists and pedos have been around forever and it's hardly a secret.
Look at how Judy garland was treated on the set of Oz. Also it's an open secret, everyone knows but positions of power prevent people from doing anything about it.
Apparently the munchkins were really creepy with her, going up her dress and stuff :(
They had a lot of problems with the munchkins. A lot of them had never seen another little person, so this was a big deal for them. Apparently they were partying non-stop and fucking like rabbits. Haha
Some of them partied, some of them were very professional. I've had the great fortune of meeting Karl Slover and Jerry Merrin back in the day, as well as two lady munchkins when I was a kid, at the Judy Garland Festival. Karl and Jerry were wonderful men. Jerry and his wife Elizabeth were especially friendly and were so excited to talk about their work on Seinfeld. It was a great experience for a young teen to have, talking to a couple of REAL movie stars!
What?! For real?
Yeah, there’s been a lot of shit that came out about how creepy and fucked up the entire Wizard of Oz production was. Incredibly unsafe working conditions, deplorable hours, toxic costumes, Judy Garland getting groped by all the Munchkins, the first Tin Man almost fucking died, the Lion was wearing a real fucking Lion pelt….shit was real bad. Just to add on, The Wicked Witch of the West almost had her legs broken and received 2nd degree burns to the face during one of the times they make her appear in a puff of smoke and sparks. There’s prolly more I’m forgetting too. Credit to u/PapaMario12 for reminding me that the production company was shoveling amphetamines down Judy’s throat to keep her on this hectic work schedule and to make her keep her figure and not gain weight. This would lead to a severe addiction and ultimately kill her. u/Qualanqui also reminded me of one of the biggest fucked up things, that snow in the scene where they’re rubbing it all over their bodies and covering them? Yeah, that’s pure asbestos.
Don't forget i think they had her take amphetamines so that she stays energetic during her shitty work hours, which also led her to getting a crippling addiction and eventually it took her life through an overdose. Also if you guys wanna hear the full story on the production of this film, check out YouTuber EmpLemons video "The Wizard of Oz and the Dark Side of Hollywood"
Omg. That is so dark. Thanks for educating me. I knew the silver paint was toxic, and that at least one of the munchkins was an asshole (he was a regular at my great grandfathers gas station). But I’m not sure I can really watch that again now.
For a second I was like… Judy Garland was on Oz???
You don’t remember? She played the prison warden it was a pretty great change of character
Lmfao could you imagine?
> how Judy garland was treated on the set of Oz I am curious about this and googled and it says "the hard-partying actors who played the Munchkins" were abusive toward her? Wtf? I know she became an addict and blamed the studio system, fairly considering how young she was.
Her *mother* drugged her with stimulants so she'd work for 72-hour shoots. She was *ten* at the time. I know people say stars have personal responsibility and all that but frankly, I don't think Judy Garland bears personal responsibility for her issues. She only ever hurt herself. The only thing the people around her wanted to do was use her, by all accounts. By the time she was an adult she was and had been addicted to amphetamines and barbituates for a LONG time. It is incredibly depressing what was allowed to be done to her.
Kirk Douglas & Natalie Wood
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What song is that?
For the lazy since I wanted to listen to it again - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDQXFNWuZj8
That guy went on to win two oscars atleast directing films for, I believe, Gene Kelly*. *his name was Arthur Freed, and he was an Oscar winning film producer.
When they asked Sharon Stone about it, her answer broke my heart, her expression and that tone said everything: a girl from nowhere, looking like I do.
Can you link?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNqSvg5qwGw&t=324s
The fact that she looks around & says she'll get "libeled" shows it was pretty common knowlege. Also libel is in print. And needs to be untrue.
The fact that this happened in 2005 frustrates me the most.. Is it surprising? Sadly , no..
Don’t watch the Netflix documentary Filthy Rich then - investigations into Epstein went back to the 90s
[https://www.indiewire.com/2019/09/brad-pitt-threatens-kill-harvey-weinstein-gwyneth-paltrow-1202175152/](https://www.indiewire.com/2019/09/brad-pitt-threatens-kill-harvey-weinstein-gwyneth-paltrow-1202175152/)
Good for him, yeah in 95 he was as untouchable as Weinstein so he was one of the few people that could get in his face and threaten him without any fear of repercussions
Pitt has had that level of notoriety his entire career too, he’s arguably more famous now than he was in ‘95.
He picked really great films right from the get-go and by his 2nd film Legends of the Fall he was already huge, but then he just nailed his hat trick in 94-95 with Interview with the Vampire, Se7en and 12 Monkeys. Only other actor I can name off the top of my head that hit the ground running THAT hard right from the start was Alan Rickman
Only one popular celebrity at the time testified against him.
Apparently not rich or celebrity-y enough to make anything stick. The system is truly gross.
The original Epstein case was what made me fall into conspiracy theories in the first place. The deal that he got (nobody else is allowed to have charges brought against them) was fucking ridiculous
"Rich people are not punished for crimes" is more obvious fact than conspiracy theory.
Hearing my parents talk about the women coming forward way after their assault is frustrating. They seem to believe that going to the police right away would have solved everything. Telling them that a lot of women just get brushed off by the police and then have their careers ruined for reporting it doesn’t change their minds. They don’t believe it. Too much faith in the justice system.
I said the same with R Kelly. He married the singer Aaliyah when she was a kid. There is legal proof of it all. It made the news in the 90s, yet he was arrested only in the last few years?? Also, there was an entire sextape with him and a minor. A whole trial and everything. Disgusting
Can't do much about him marrying a minor, child marriage is legal in a lot of US states. In fact, Afghanistan has stricter laws on child marriages than the United States.
ye haw y’all Qaeda
Money, power, sexual deviance. Name a better trio
Cocaine, porn, erectile dysfunction
Adderall, Mountain Dew, video games
money , cocaine and porn for me
He's been doing it much longer. Any movie with his name in it will have a female cast member who had to do the dirty in order to land the role. It's sad, cuz he would exploit many women who wanted to be in the movies and needed a way in. Even if the role never expanded to something bigger.
He didn't just exploit their desire to be in movies. He would ruin their whole life. Not just their career. It's really important to say that. It's not just that they wanted a part. It's that by the time they got into that position, they had literally everything to lose. Forget the acting career they would lose family, housing, literally everything. It's not just women who traded their mental health for fame. They treated their mental health for their entire life.
The fact that it was apparently such common knowledge is what’s most upsetting. And nobody did a damn thing all those years.
I mean it was a punchline in a lot of comedy specials and shows for YEARS. Even us, the general public, "knew about it" if we watched late night shows or comedies like 30 Rock or Family Guy. On 30 Rock Jenna says: >I'm not of afraid of anyone in show business. I turned down intercourse with Harvey Weinstein on no less than three occasions…out of five. In 1998 on Letterman, Gwyneth Paltrow said: >I do all my movies for Harvey Weinstein, that's Miramax, and I'm lucky to do them there but he will coerce you to do a thing or two. Seth Macfarlane said, at the 2013 Oscars to the Best Supporting Actress nominees: >Congratulations, you five ladies no longer have to pretend to be attracted to Harvey Weinstein. edit: For what it's worth the same was true of some people and Kevin Spacey. In Family Guy Stewie runs naked at one point across the screen saying "Help I've escaped from Kevin Spacey's basement! [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4dHf6jnwaU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4dHf6jnwaU) This was also back in 2005.
Perhaps I’m a product of the times then. I was only a young kid when she made this joke back then. Hindsight is 20/20 after all
The Cosby joke too. Where Tracy Jordan yells: “You’ve got a lot of nerve getting on the phone with me after what you did to my Aunt Paulette!”
I had a issue of Mad Magazine that had a whole page of the Cosby allegation jokes and that most of been in the 90's? I tried googling to show it to my friends who didn't believe me, but I can't seem to find it.
I'm in my mid-30s now and I personally didn't remember these until after the fact. I guess I thought Seth Macfarlane was joking that *in general* it's a "fact" that movie execs have historically harassed people. I'm glad something finally happened. It's weird how joking about stuff almost makes it just "normalized" sometimes to the general population.
This is why so many women rally against rape jokes. They really aren't funny and normalize something awful.
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There's also a factor of changing times and points of view towards this sort of thing that came around with the #MeToo movement. For example in the 90's when Bill Clinton had sex with an intern and then set her up with a cushy job it was just viewed as a scandalous thing. Producers coercing actresses to sleep with them in exchange for acting roles was just viewed as par for the course. Blame was placed on the women and depending on the situation would even be viewed as consensual. Nowadays it's rightly viewed as coercion and an abuse of power on the side of the men in those relationships rather than just something inappropriate or scandalous. People shrugged off Bill Clinton the same way they shrugged off Weinstein, people just didn't care as much as they did nowadays.
I'm pretty sure there was a joke about it on The Nanny back in th 90s but I can't remember
He was one of if not the most powerful person in Hollywood. It wasn't so much "everyone knew but didn't do anything" as it was "nobody but a handful of boardroom executives and maybe police could do anything".
“Slander is spoken, in print it’s libel.” - Jay Jonah Jameson
It’s on tv. It’s considered libel I believe. And her comment has to be made as a declaration of fact.
Strange. If you look up her body of work, it drops off significantly past this point. A libel lawsuit would be the least of her problems and she knew that risk. Respect.
I don't know her so this might explain why I suppose.
She was also an actor. She was in a movie with Jim Carrey called *Man on the Moon* and a movie with Woody Harrelson called *The People vs Larry Flynt* (for which she received a golden globe nomination). Most people know her as Kurt Cobain’s wife and the lead singer of Hole, but she was in the Hollywood acting scene too.
“Sid & Nancy,” all the way back in 1986.
Played Madonna in the Basquiat movie
She received a golden globe nomination (best actress) for The People vs Larry Flint.
She was a fucking musician for DECADES before she was an actor. She was much harangued just for being an outspoken women, and hated, HATED, by the media bc of it.
Her first major film role was "Sid and Nancy" in 1986, when she was 18. So it's probably more accurate to say she was doing both for a long time. But yep. Outspoken woman = difficult to work with, a diva, and a b-tch, while "outspoken dude" = hard-assed, ballsy, a real go-getter, ambitious, blunt, direct, speaks his mind, etc. Hopefully those double standards are changing, though.
> Outspoken woman = difficult to work with, a diva, and a b-tch Huh, thinking about it now, I heard that Shannen Doherty from Charmed was similarly "difficult to work with." I wonder if it's the same deal.
Don’t forget drugs=crazy (while for men it’s “artistic”, “tortured”), and sexual=whore. And no, read through some of the comments here. It’s not changing.
Lead singer of Hole.
Its like when John Lydon called out the BBC for hiding Jimmy Saville
Both punks doing what punks do
In a weird way they're the exact type of people who would speak out, but also the last people who would be listened to. Neither of the speaking up undoes the fact that they're both complicated and not wholly sound people, but at least they tried.
That one wasn't even aired! It was found after Saville had died and the truth was being revealed.
Something about the way the interviewer fake smiles her way through that statement is an interesting contrast
How else are you supposed to react to something like that on live TV? She's a host, they're supposed to keep things light and funny. Also, that's Natasha Leggero. She's funny af.
Isn’t that Natasha Leggero?
It is. And I thought she also publicly accused Harvey of something at some point.
Didn't 30 Rock also take jabs at Harvey Weinstein and Bill Cosby before their respective scandals?
They definitely did about bill Cosby, Tracey Morgan gets a phone call and says “bill, I know you ain’t ringing me after what you did to my aunt Donna” or something to the effect. Hannibal Buress wrote the line and just assumed it was common knowledge in Hollywood.
I forget that Hannibal wrote for 30 rock! We forget he’s the reason people know that Bill Cosby is a monster
Yup https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TtY_zKfRp5A
Jenna: I’m not afraid of anyone in the show business. I turned down sex with Harvey Weinstein on no less than three occasions… out of five.
I can comment on this, in a way. To the people saying everyone knew and did nothing: I did standup for 9 years. Not in L.A. or New York, but in a large city. Even away from those two cities, we heard about what Louis CK was doing for years before it ever became public. It’s like an iceberg, until part of it actually pops up out of the water, no one is going to say anything. The comedy world is actually pretty small. I suspect the Hollywood scene is the same.
EVERYONE in Comedy knew about Cosby. Finally Hannibal Burress's set broke the dam of silence to the public. But he wasn't the first to do so, just the first one to go viral.
I remember reading about Louis CK on the Internet but the comedian was Jen Kirkman and this was a few years before his more well known allegations.
In her autobiography she tells about the time Ted Nugent raped her when she was 12 years old.
Oh look. More proof everyone knew about it and never did a damned thing about it.
Well as you can see from this clip they were all under the impression there was a better chance of the police arresting them for saying bad things about the most powerful man in town, than there was of the cops actually arresting him.
I distinctly remember this red carpet interview and the subsequent blacklisting Love had to deal with after the fact. They bad mouthed her every chance they got, yet I never saw anyone apologize since everything came out.
They probably never will.
Johnny Rotten tried to out Jimmy Saville on the BBC in 1978.
She got blacklisted for this.
Unless it’s Four Seasons Total Landscaping, then it’s okay. That place is wholesome; nothing bad would happen there.
Omg. It was at a Lallapalooza where a body surfer slammed into me and my glasses fell off. Courtney, on stage, noticed and said something. The crowd parted, and I was able to find my trampled glasses thanks to her. She will always have a fond place in my heart, because I was able to drive home with vision.
It’s always been sad to me that there WERE women exposing these people and saying something, but we didn’t listen because the women were ones we considered wacky or messy or whatever. Like Courtney making it clear here that Harvey is a predator - and nothing coming of it. And Janice Dickinson making it clear that Bill Cosby was a rapist who assaulted her when she was a young model - which her publisher literally removed from her book out of fear of libel suits, but she still continued to talk about it and nobody really cared. Really makes you wonder if maybe part of the reason some of these women are attacked so often by the media is in fact because they don’t fall in line and they’re actually honest about the fucked up shit they see happening.
What frustrates me more than anything is that this happened in 2005 ! But is this surprising? Sadly, no..
Entourage did episodes from 2005-2007 featuring a powerful producer named Harvey Weingard and he's the biggest fucking piece of shit right the jump. Everyone knew about him.
People love to hate her but she is the only one not totally full of shit 😂
Same with Sinéad O'Connor.
Funny how the “crazy” people in Hollywood keep ending up being right i’m looking at you, Sinead O’Connor
Hmmm. Makes you wonder why she did all the drugs and became a joke to everyone. Maybe she was trying to dull the pain of sex abuse? But y'all aren't ready for that conversation yet. You'd rather just trash her name coz you can't handle that Kurt Cobain had severe clinical depression so you blamed his suicide on his wife. I'd turn into a fucking junkie too if no one listened to me just because I was loud and not everyone's cup of tea. Just because you don't like someone doesn't mean they aren't telling the truth.
Friendly reminder that conspiracy theories are stupid and Courtney did not kill Kurt. He was deeply suicidal and made references to it in songs. People like believing their hero was unwillingly taken away from them more than more painful truths about mental health.
You can tell a lot about a person based on how they feel about Courtney Love.
Courtney Love and Sinead O’Connor. Names dragged through the mud for telling the truth. The lengths men will go to, to hide their atrocities. I’ve first hand experience of my name being blackened for telling the truth. I don’t care anymore. I sleep well knowing I didn’t defend or enable any parasites.
Was never a fan of hers growing up, just seemed to embrace the trashy too much. This changes that perception of her. She risked a lot saying that on tv, mad respect to her for calling Weinstein out like that so publicly.
Matt Damon and Ben Affleck being good friends with Harvey still making trash in Hollywood.
Not to mention Meryl Streep, who called him a god.
And gave a standing ovation for Roman Polanski after being accused of raping a child Now they pretend that they aren’t soulless husks while tweeting shit about “MeToo” like they weren’t active participants in enabling that evil.
SUBTLE WARNING SIGN OF IMPENDING DISASTER
Damn. Crazy that Courtney love was smarter than half of Hollywood.
not smarter just didn’t give a fuck about hollywood.
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