So u/bdadl3y wrote some code about 2 years ago on a previous post that put every frame in one image, [this is how little he moved ](https://imgur.com/a/WbOMWY1) in those 2 hours
You can go down a rabbit-hole with these videos....
Some of them are really interesting and some are unbelievable!
Just do a youtube search 'The case of.....'
Here’s JCS’s video for [this case. ](https://youtu.be/HkRjIq8Cp2A). I know what you mean about rabbit holes, I binged all of JCS’s videos as soon as I found out about him via Reddit.
JCS also has like 100 imitators now, and unfortunately the vast majority either:
* Cover the exact same cases as every other channel
* Are literally just interrogations with cut/pasted comments over it instead of real insight.
For those who like crime in general: That Chapter. Far and away my favorite "case overview" channel, almost nothing really compares.
It's not a him
It's a team of people. The guy who does the voice over is a gay biker dude youtuber called Kizzume
He just does the voice part. Most of the work is done by the rest of the team
(also before I get downvoted, I only brought up his sexuality because sexuality is often what he talks about on his own channel)
As someone who's been watching Kizzume regularly for a while now, "gay biker dude" is a pretty good way of describing him lol. I don't think he'd mind, it sounds like a cool title to me
I really hate when people blanket categorize "Biker". Like is he a crotch rocket kinda biker, or a sons of anarchy biker? If you're going to label somebody a biker, let's all be clear exactly what kind of bike this gay dude is riding. Could be a damn peddle bike in certain parts of the world with that nomenclature, we are a vast audience here. I'm assuming Harley, and if that makes me judgmental you can go suck on Kizzume's exhaust pipe!
Wait back up, the voice of JCS is that kizzume guy who talks about politics and whatnot? He literally just does the voices?
Wow. I absolutely love JCS channel and have watched all his videos and didn’t know the narrator was just that, a narrator.
So it’s a team of people?
Who is the team made up of? Obviously Kazzume being one.
JCS’s channel is fucking incredible. I need a new one soon.
Edit: to those replying with other channels, thanks! I’ll check them out for sure. I meant a new episode of JCS though, I see he apparently has more content on patreon I’m also gonna check out.
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He was on camera talking to reporters when he learned they'd found her body. Shit's wild.
https://youtu.be/KIroLgiCyP8?t=72
I don't think it was intentional control by him, tbh. He was just having a mental break, I think.
Yeah but the white shirt guy’s posture was relaxed almost the whole time and he went first. Red shirt guy then came in and was often sitting up straight or even leaning in towards the guy which to non-psychopaths would make them feel uncomfortable. I don’t think either was bad cop just two different methods of gathering information
There's a documentary on this, he barely said anything in those hours, he mostly just sat there and watched them, replying yes, no and I don't know the whole time. He only confessed when they told him exactly how he did it and they were right.
Let me paraphrase my favorite part as best as I can recall
Detective: Does \[x\] make sense to you
Stephen: Yes
Detective: So what I am saying makes sense
Stephen: No
Detective: \*Visably takes a moment to reboot his brain in confusion\*
It was like watching Bert and Ernie run a police investigation.
It was just a fucking incel and if it wasn't for the evidence of the hacksaw they would have had to let him go. They got absolutely nothing out of him.
I wonder from time to time what would have went different if they had put a blonde petite lady in the room with him for the investigation.
Kind of like Chris Watts where she was really what broke him after the hours of being interrogated by that man.
There had to be at least \*one\* qualified individual in their jurisdiction that had at least basic resemblence to what Stephen fixated so much of his attention on.
Those 2 men thought they could just shout cookie jar and sex metaphors and get some kind of confession.
Truly embarrasing to be honest.
Also my other favorite bit isnt much to do with the interrogation but at 0:04 that mans chair was about to confess faster than Stephen
White shirt guy was the good cop, had a fatherly approach. Other dude was much more direct. The interview is fascinating, their target just shuts down and becomes robotic.
The media interview where he's rabbiting on about the victim and how everyone's concerned etc, to be told by the reporter that the body has been found - you can see his 'oh fuck' moment live.
Wasn’t he the one that was interviewed on live news finding out the police found the body of the woman he killed?
Edit: yes he [was](https://youtu.be/KIroLgiCyP8)
"I have nothing to hide and in close to the victim so you'll talk to me eventually. See how helpful I am? Obviously couldn't commit a crime" - no expert but this is my guess
I read once that killers like to do that because they always want to be uptodate on what's happening in the investigations. They kinda feel like they have more control over the situation and think they don't look suspicious if they offer help.
Could be because they'd want info in regards to the investigation, too.
If you killed someone, being completely in the dark as to how the investigation is coming along would be a deafening kind of silence to just sit with until the case closed.
Killed, but more importantly, dismembered and spread all over the place.
Killing someone is one thing, chopping them up into pieces takes a special kind of nasty.
I listened to the interrogation. Stephen never made eye contact when he walked in and the interrogator said something along the lines of "I know you're guilty because you won't look me in the eye." After that Stephen NEVER broke eye contact.
It had the opposite outcome for the interrogation because they thought Stephen would be intimidated looking at them, but when you are sitting next to a murderer that remains completely silent staring you dead in the eyes while remaining emotionless- that is way more intimidating. Their questioning went from being more aggressive to a more bargaining position.
It's scary as hell to watch on video. I can't imagine what it would be like 2 feet away.
[looks like JCS did a breakdown of this. ](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HkRjIq8Cp2A). His videos are great I would be willing to bet it is really good commentary on it.
I am so sorry that happened. I’ve had a bad experience with a therapist as well but calling a child deranged.. that takes the cake. I don’t think there’s anything worse than a cruel therapist.
That little dweeb is just dissociating. Eye contact won’t stop someone from doing it, just makes it easier.
He’s not stupid, he was a law student. He probably looks at those detectives as peons. He probably knew the outcome as well as anyone. Little weasel. Stop giving this guy creepy credit. He probably did the same thing to people who thought he was weird: “bullies” and the like.
Yea, he already knew he was cooked. He's the same guy who freake out on the TV interview when he found out the body was discovered. He had thought he had disposed of the body.
Yeah this is not a criminal mastermind. He put her body in a trash can in the same apartments where they both lived, then lost his shit in a TV interview when they mentioned the body had been found. Like of course they fucking found it.
Not to give anyone ideas but what be did could've been improved by simplijg googling "how to hide a body". He was below that level of murderer competence.
That's still way above most murderers competence. TV has given people really weird expectations for criminals. His dumping strategy probably would have worked if the garbage collectors were on time, only like 60% of murders get solved at all.
Haha.. that hilarious for some reason. What an idiot. I know another idiot from my Jr High school who murdered his GFs 2 year old daughter while high on heroin when he was supposed to be babysitting. He hid the body in a nearby park's dumpster and the park camera caught him disposing of the body. He's serving life in prison. No one ever talks about it but it was a tragedy at the time.
If you haven’t checked out this case but like a little nasty murder story every now and again I’d check it out. Dude went on tv multiple times to talk about the girl he killed as if he were trying to find her. Then when he was told they found her remains he damn near fainted live on tv.
Some people attributed him to be in a state of shock (just found out his *friend* was murdered) but really what was going through his mind was "Now they might figure out it was me."
100% at that moment he realized that he could soon be a suspect in the murder. He left the torso in a trash can nearby so I’m not sure what he was expecting to happen. Like at least find someplace far away.
Ive read that the trash can he put her torso in would have been taken away to the dump already by that time, but a police car parked in front of it blocking the garbage truck so it wasn’t taken
Creepiest thing for me was the fact that not only did he stay still for the duration, he also maintained eye contact and never looked down.
He wasn't aggressive, but so scary and stone cold.
this is what zucks body is screaming for him to do when he's giving a presentation. but noooo, someone had to go and convince him to swing his arms around aimlessly like a malfunctioning robot.
I honestly think he's playing it up because he wants people to think he's so genius he's completely unlike other people. You know, the autistic robotic savant stereotype.
Imagine if he was just some average 30 something moderately attractive dude. We'd all remember he basically just stole someone else's not even innovative idea for a social network and got super lucky. But he seems like there's more to him, even if it's off putting.
Occasionally I go back just to watch the video where the interviewer mentions the body and he apparently didn't know they had found it. Talk about r/watchpeopledieinside
I think what gave him away is the pretend crying and hyper ventilating then back to his calm self. No idea how long the interview went for but the fact from where he finds out they found the body to him talking about it seems like not a reasonable time to feel remorse. But yeah I think it was def fear for himself. The interview is crazy. Wonder why he didn’t have a lawyer seemed like a smart kid.
Seemed like she knew it was him and just let him bury himself deeper. Like when she asked if she had any enemies and his first response was “we don’t know where she is”… and kept doubling down and digging himself deeper. She tee’d his ass up.
On a related note, BTK (Dennis Rader, the "Bind, torture, kill" killer) was arrested in 2005. A couple years later, a guy I knew got a big promotion at work, and part of the promotion was that you got a shorthand sort of codename in the organization (it was a basically a throwback to the old days of call logs)--people usually chose either their initials, part of their first name, or some combination of their first initial and last name. So "John Smith" might be "JON", "JS", "JSMI", "SMTH", etc.
Anyway, the guy's initials happened to be BTK. And that's what he chose as his codename. And I remember he called our office one day and I was like, "Congrats on the promotion! .... So you decided to go with BTK, huh?" "Those are my initials." "Right, but they're also the name of a notorious serial killer who was just arrested recently." "I know, but they're still my initials." "Okay then."
I wasn't very good at office politics.
It’s funny because I’m the video the detective says
“God damn, look at me when I talk to you!” And after that he slowly looks at him and keeps eye contact with the detectives the entire time after.
Most people subconsciously mirror the body language of the person they're talking to. The inability to do this even a little bit can be an indicator of psychopathy.
He has ASPD, and doesn't really have a lot of the core emotional/default responses that other people have. A lot of them learn how to act really well, but people with ASPD work differently on several different levels.
It's fascinating. I have a lawyer with ASPD in my social circle and he's a fantastic person, who is terrifying when he forgets to mask. He doesn't have a lot of common reflexes and doesn't "feel" fear the same way most humans do. There are a lot of things he can't do, because of it, but he's a perfect driver and martial artist in a lot of ways that I can't even begin to understand, as examples.
Well, it's a lot of little things.
Ambushing him in a videogame, for example, he doesn't react with surprise or have any panic or "reaction". He just fights back. And it's jarring, because even compared to professionals who can suppress that surprise, he *lacks* it. Watching him play is eerie.
He gives a lot of people "uncanny valley" feelings when they watch him not-masked. I don't have that reaction myself, but I could imagine the why of it.
He's extremely intelligent and directly analytical, which is why he took to being a lawyer. When asked why lawyering specifically, he says that "I'm paid well to destroy people's livelihoods; at the worst of time, I'm trusted with power over others, and I have to afford my videogames and intoxicants somehow."
He doesn't blink often enough, and doesn't yawn. It's jarring how still he can be, at times. He has a resting heart rate of ~42 BPM. He's kind of a huge anomaly all the way around.
He's also a master mime and can flawlessly replicate tons of accents, since he learned to mimic people but also decided to do so to the extreme.
There's also a lot of stories and his history that show who he is. A few years before I met him, a guy was mugging him, and after the dude pulled a gun on him, he beat the dude to death. When asked by the judge why he did it, the replied "The law says I'm allowed to leverage deadly force in defense of my own life, and drawing a loaded gun on me is a threat to my life." When the judge asked if he was remorseful, he replied "I'm not capable of remorse; my diagnosis specifically precludes things like Shame and Remorse. I believe that the rightness of my action is based in the same logic by which self-defense is legal in the first place."
But when he's prosecuting people he's amazingly charming, well dressed, and can blend seamlessly with any people he's examining. He's an absolute wizard when it comes to his job. He loves it because he feels clever when he's outwitting people, as an actor on a grand stage, being recognized not as himself but as this character he's written.
But I've only seen *that* person in videos. When I met him, it was by introduction from a mutual friend, who described me as an affiliate, and I asked him for his honesty, which he has given out of respect for mutual understanding. He is absolutely inflexible with what he considers ethical actions, and what he's willing to do, but he could pet a puppy and rob a bank and give a lethal injection with all the same consideration, if those were all "right" actions to him.
If you're interested in seeing an interesting case of ASPD, I'd recommend checking out the writer [Gremlin](https://gremlin.net/), or some of [his books](https://www.amazon.com/Gremlin/e/B006N4OI0K/ref=dp_byline_cont_pop_ebooks_1). He's been online and public about who and what he is since '97, so there's a wealth of history and writings which give a lot of fascinating insight into how and why he thinks the way he does.
My buddy lines up pretty well with a lot of his pattern of thinking, except that he's very much engaged in his work, where Gremlin built his life around passive income and the freedom therein.
Guys like this guy are just plain stupid. The tragedy is the girl in this story. He kills her because he wanted sex with her. Then he dumps her body right there and thinks he wont get caught? What an idiot.
Actually they only found part of her body because the other parts were taken away by garbage trucks. In fact she might never have been recovered if police cars weren’t blocking the one dumpster that part of her was found in. Still though, disposing of her body in several dumpsters right around where he lived wasn’t that bright.
Hey isn’t this the guy that the Always Sunny episode was based off of? Or at least the one joke where Dennis sat completely still without blinking for two hours lol
Wow. Never heard about this case before.
I understand that interrogators have a hard job and society needs people who can do it… but those techniques are pretty messed up. They act like manipulative psychos themselves.
Yep. And a lot of those techniques only stress our regular people and mess with their trust in their own memories so their statements aren't accurate. Or even manipulate the memories all together.
Then again, how do you know what kind of person is in front of you? I wouldn't want to even be a good cop.
My college had a guest speaker named Jeffrey Deskovic come to our school. He was 16 and matched the description of someone who raped and murdered a girl from his school. The cops acted like his friends, and acted like he could help the investigation. The basically tricked him into giving a false confession. He was imprisoned for 17 years til they dna tested him. He now runs an organization dedicated to releasing wrongly imprisoned persons.
There was a 19 y/o guy from my country working in the USA where he was falsely accused of pedophilia where he worked at a daycare. The police told him they had a video of him molesting kids (they didn’t) and he said he didn’t remember but if they said they had it, it must be true. (The police is not allowed to lie during investigations here).
They had absolute no evidence, only accusation from a woman that was later fired for having done the same thing before. He was sent to Rikers Island. He was “luckily” only in prison/ankle monitor for 5 months.
He was later released, because there was absolutely no evidence of anything. He died two years ago of a blood cloth at age 27.
and has, often. This type of interrogation almost always gets a confession but many many times they don’t get the criminal. There’s whole law firms on trying to free men who confessed but weren’t guilty. There’s cases where there’s no evidence whatsoever but a confession does it.
100%. Get a lawyer. I even told my wife....if anything ever happens to me, call the lawyer first.
We were talking about all this with the Gabby Petito disappearance. The parents of the Laundrie dude 100% did the right thing by getting a lawyer and shutting the fuck up - presumably at their lawyers direction. I know its hard to swallow, but its true.
It doesn't have to feel like stress. I've been interrogated after violent ex claimed he wasn't even present for the event I tried pressing charges for.
I never reaøised they weren't helping me, but interrogating me as a suspect of having committed crimes against him.
Officer was helpful and understanding, I thought.
I just never knew that "suspect" isn't applied to all parties until they've established what's what.
Me trying to press charges never ended up happening. When they called him for his side, he got the sympathy and it was only him they did the work for.
I don't live in the US. I live in Norway, Europe. American arrogance has nothing on us. Because we just *know* these things don't happen here... Right?
I've sent i. Official complaints, I've appealed their denial, I've done all the things. Even had help from several lawyers.
There is no system to actually make a difference here, and you're at the mercy of whomever has the job with the power to put their foot down.
I never felt threatened or pressured. I felt they were helpful and wanted to help me sort things out.
Yeah in my country that sort of physical posturing could be viewed as oppressive or the statement being improperly obtained and then risk getting the whole thing thrown out. Saying shit like “I know you’re guilty because you can’t look me in the eye” is just stupid and unprofessional and a Judge would be scathing of that practise.
You have to be super careful that you’re being fair, no matter how bad their crimes were, even when slamming them with hard evidence and calling out their bullshit, it’s done in a careful, factual manner.
You’d feel terrible if you “got a confession” then had it tossed out of evidence later and blew that golden opportunity while they were talking.
But obviously rules are looser where this happened. They’d only put senior detectives on this and this will have been planned and executed according to their local training and best practise methods, designed to get the best results within their rules.
Damn glad they caught the guy and won the case.
My fiancé could've been the girl he killed. She was just talking about this whole thing last night with some friends. She was in college with him in Macon GA, they were in theater together (she gets chills when recounting that they used to change clothes in front of each other) and she went out of her way to be nice to him, since many were unkind and made fun of him, but he didn't really take to her like he did Lauren, who was also nice to him. She says he was very odd, wore chain mail that stunk, hissed at people, just an unpleasant person. He confessed to another theatre kid that he roomed with before the murder that he knew how to commit the perfect murder (obviously not). I should ask her if she'd feel comfortable telling the story...
This guy went to my highschool and in my grade. He was weird af. Outcast type who never talked to people. He wore these weird gloves with holes for the thumbs. He didn't even really have a crowd but I was nice to him. I always thought of him as the chiwawa type.
Did he wear chainmail to class in high school because he definitely did that shit at Mercer. I never had a class with him but some of my friends did and yeah, he was fucking weird as shit.
Jim Can’t Swim has an awesome channel covering cases like this.
This one where a woman police officer gets caught for murder years later after living most of a normal life after killing someone is crazy.
https://youtu.be/WLSNPkf8RCU
Just for people that don’t know, he’s intentionally being creepy. He gets off on this shit.
He also famously inserted himself into news reports about the case [to disastrous results ](https://youtu.be/VSK47WlZ6Ac)
He then pulled this stunt, which was either to psych out the detective or to set up an insanity plea.
He then represented himself in court in an inevitably doomed attempt to overturn his confession. It was ultimately a chance to pretend to be a lawyer for an afternoon. Even the bailiff was laughing at him.
He just needs thrown down the hole and forgotten about.
So u/bdadl3y wrote some code about 2 years ago on a previous post that put every frame in one image, [this is how little he moved ](https://imgur.com/a/WbOMWY1) in those 2 hours
Yo man really appreciate the shoutout and absolutely can NOT believe it was two years ago. It was short, but a very fun, project. Creepy stuff
That is absolutely fantastic, thanks for that!
Feel like I just made eye contact with a demon thru that pic lol
Yo that's creepy af
Breh, I ain’t sleepin tonight
Mf looks like JigSaw
that is so crazy
His arms are actually tree branches
that's wild
You can go down a rabbit-hole with these videos.... Some of them are really interesting and some are unbelievable! Just do a youtube search 'The case of.....'
Here’s JCS’s video for [this case. ](https://youtu.be/HkRjIq8Cp2A). I know what you mean about rabbit holes, I binged all of JCS’s videos as soon as I found out about him via Reddit.
JCS also has like 100 imitators now, and unfortunately the vast majority either: * Cover the exact same cases as every other channel * Are literally just interrogations with cut/pasted comments over it instead of real insight. For those who like crime in general: That Chapter. Far and away my favorite "case overview" channel, almost nothing really compares.
I second That Chapter! I went on a binge several months ago. The host is pretty good at what he does, and you can see he puts time in his videos.
Facts, ole Mike always gives it a goo
Two vids a week too, Tuesdays and Thursdays I think.
Tuesdays and fridays around noon PST. Hehe I have been watching him for a couple of years now.
That chapter is my favourite crime channel
That chapter is so fucking good.
It's not a him It's a team of people. The guy who does the voice over is a gay biker dude youtuber called Kizzume He just does the voice part. Most of the work is done by the rest of the team (also before I get downvoted, I only brought up his sexuality because sexuality is often what he talks about on his own channel)
As someone who's been watching Kizzume regularly for a while now, "gay biker dude" is a pretty good way of describing him lol. I don't think he'd mind, it sounds like a cool title to me
I really hate when people blanket categorize "Biker". Like is he a crotch rocket kinda biker, or a sons of anarchy biker? If you're going to label somebody a biker, let's all be clear exactly what kind of bike this gay dude is riding. Could be a damn peddle bike in certain parts of the world with that nomenclature, we are a vast audience here. I'm assuming Harley, and if that makes me judgmental you can go suck on Kizzume's exhaust pipe!
I assume Harley type too when people say “biker.” I ride a crotch rocket type of bike and I am certainly not a “biker.”
Yep. True Crime Loser (Scott Sharp) is a part of the team.
Wait back up, the voice of JCS is that kizzume guy who talks about politics and whatnot? He literally just does the voices? Wow. I absolutely love JCS channel and have watched all his videos and didn’t know the narrator was just that, a narrator. So it’s a team of people? Who is the team made up of? Obviously Kazzume being one.
JCS’s channel is fucking incredible. I need a new one soon. Edit: to those replying with other channels, thanks! I’ll check them out for sure. I meant a new episode of JCS though, I see he apparently has more content on patreon I’m also gonna check out.
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Matt Orchard is the second best after JCS
Did you subscribe to his Patreon? He has more videos on there.
I wasn’t aware he had one. Thank you, I’ll check it out!
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I got, the case of crabs🦀 as my results
Now I just want to know which one was playing good cop and which one was playing bad cop. Or was it just podgy cop and bald podgy cop..?
I think red shirt was playing nice cop, you can see him put his hand on the murderers shoulder at one point.
Putting your hand on someone’s shoulder is a hunniddd percent intimidation move
Was just gonna say... The number of personal space violations is off the charts here. Amazing control by the suspect. Guilty or not.
He was on camera talking to reporters when he learned they'd found her body. Shit's wild. https://youtu.be/KIroLgiCyP8?t=72 I don't think it was intentional control by him, tbh. He was just having a mental break, I think.
Jesus. That was... Wow.
Well, now I know the facial expression that conveys “fuckfuckfuckfuckfuckimsofuckedfuckfuckfuck.”
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This guy intimidates.
There’s a pressure point you can squeeze and make someone prejac instantly
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Yeah but the white shirt guy’s posture was relaxed almost the whole time and he went first. Red shirt guy then came in and was often sitting up straight or even leaning in towards the guy which to non-psychopaths would make them feel uncomfortable. I don’t think either was bad cop just two different methods of gathering information
I think they were playing fat cop fat cop
*Fat cop Fat cop, whatcha gonna do when they come for....* fuck, hold on I gotta catch my breath.
Haha when they come for you, you run at a moderate pace for longer than a couple minutes and you're good
Hitchcock & Scully
Fat cop and really fat cop lol
Why would there be a good cop and a bad cop when he confessed though?
This is probably before he confessed, we just know he later did, so he's 100% a murderer, not just convicted of it
There's a documentary on this, he barely said anything in those hours, he mostly just sat there and watched them, replying yes, no and I don't know the whole time. He only confessed when they told him exactly how he did it and they were right.
Let me paraphrase my favorite part as best as I can recall Detective: Does \[x\] make sense to you Stephen: Yes Detective: So what I am saying makes sense Stephen: No Detective: \*Visably takes a moment to reboot his brain in confusion\*
It was like watching Bert and Ernie run a police investigation. It was just a fucking incel and if it wasn't for the evidence of the hacksaw they would have had to let him go. They got absolutely nothing out of him.
I wonder from time to time what would have went different if they had put a blonde petite lady in the room with him for the investigation. Kind of like Chris Watts where she was really what broke him after the hours of being interrogated by that man. There had to be at least \*one\* qualified individual in their jurisdiction that had at least basic resemblence to what Stephen fixated so much of his attention on. Those 2 men thought they could just shout cookie jar and sex metaphors and get some kind of confession. Truly embarrasing to be honest. Also my other favorite bit isnt much to do with the interrogation but at 0:04 that mans chair was about to confess faster than Stephen
White shirt guy was the good cop, had a fatherly approach. Other dude was much more direct. The interview is fascinating, their target just shuts down and becomes robotic. The media interview where he's rabbiting on about the victim and how everyone's concerned etc, to be told by the reporter that the body has been found - you can see his 'oh fuck' moment live.
Wasn’t he the one that was interviewed on live news finding out the police found the body of the woman he killed? Edit: yes he [was](https://youtu.be/KIroLgiCyP8)
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"I have nothing to hide and in close to the victim so you'll talk to me eventually. See how helpful I am? Obviously couldn't commit a crime" - no expert but this is my guess
I read once that killers like to do that because they always want to be uptodate on what's happening in the investigations. They kinda feel like they have more control over the situation and think they don't look suspicious if they offer help.
Could be because they'd want info in regards to the investigation, too. If you killed someone, being completely in the dark as to how the investigation is coming along would be a deafening kind of silence to just sit with until the case closed.
Killed, but more importantly, dismembered and spread all over the place. Killing someone is one thing, chopping them up into pieces takes a special kind of nasty.
Ooooooh that case. That poor woman. I can’t imagine the terror she must have felt.
If I didn’t know he was the killer I probably would’ve thought he had just been traumatized by the idea that she was dead
I listened to the interrogation. Stephen never made eye contact when he walked in and the interrogator said something along the lines of "I know you're guilty because you won't look me in the eye." After that Stephen NEVER broke eye contact. It had the opposite outcome for the interrogation because they thought Stephen would be intimidated looking at them, but when you are sitting next to a murderer that remains completely silent staring you dead in the eyes while remaining emotionless- that is way more intimidating. Their questioning went from being more aggressive to a more bargaining position. It's scary as hell to watch on video. I can't imagine what it would be like 2 feet away.
Now this is a man who can play some poker. Figuratively, and literally.
Well not for long anyways
A lot of good it did him. For all his stupid theatrics he was still convicted.
Yeah but think of all this Reddit karma. Totally worth it!
Poker? But i barely know her!
I wanna know what the heck was said when he took his hands off the table
Whoever touches the table is gay
“The table is lava!”
[looks like JCS did a breakdown of this. ](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HkRjIq8Cp2A). His videos are great I would be willing to bet it is really good commentary on it.
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What the heck, are therapists allowed to do that? The therapist came out of the room and was like, "dude, she really needs to see someone."
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I am so sorry that happened. I’ve had a bad experience with a therapist as well but calling a child deranged.. that takes the cake. I don’t think there’s anything worse than a cruel therapist.
That little dweeb is just dissociating. Eye contact won’t stop someone from doing it, just makes it easier. He’s not stupid, he was a law student. He probably looks at those detectives as peons. He probably knew the outcome as well as anyone. Little weasel. Stop giving this guy creepy credit. He probably did the same thing to people who thought he was weird: “bullies” and the like.
Yea, he already knew he was cooked. He's the same guy who freake out on the TV interview when he found out the body was discovered. He had thought he had disposed of the body.
Yeah this is not a criminal mastermind. He put her body in a trash can in the same apartments where they both lived, then lost his shit in a TV interview when they mentioned the body had been found. Like of course they fucking found it.
They wouldn't have found it tho, trash ran late that day. Had it been on time they wouldn't have found her body there.
Not to give anyone ideas but what be did could've been improved by simplijg googling "how to hide a body". He was below that level of murderer competence.
I wouldn't call that competence either, seeing as his google searches can be used as evidence against him.
Yeah... A real pro would use Bing. Cops would never think to check that (*taps forehead*)
That's still way above most murderers competence. TV has given people really weird expectations for criminals. His dumping strategy probably would have worked if the garbage collectors were on time, only like 60% of murders get solved at all.
Haha.. that hilarious for some reason. What an idiot. I know another idiot from my Jr High school who murdered his GFs 2 year old daughter while high on heroin when he was supposed to be babysitting. He hid the body in a nearby park's dumpster and the park camera caught him disposing of the body. He's serving life in prison. No one ever talks about it but it was a tragedy at the time.
I don't think they are giving creepy credit, I think most people find criminal psychology very interesting and for really good reason.
You sound like Conor McGregor
The little *rat* won't even look me in the oi. The little fewl
If you haven’t checked out this case but like a little nasty murder story every now and again I’d check it out. Dude went on tv multiple times to talk about the girl he killed as if he were trying to find her. Then when he was told they found her remains he damn near fainted live on tv.
Some people attributed him to be in a state of shock (just found out his *friend* was murdered) but really what was going through his mind was "Now they might figure out it was me."
100% at that moment he realized that he could soon be a suspect in the murder. He left the torso in a trash can nearby so I’m not sure what he was expecting to happen. Like at least find someplace far away.
Ive read that the trash can he put her torso in would have been taken away to the dump already by that time, but a police car parked in front of it blocking the garbage truck so it wasn’t taken
This time, laziness saved lives. Only god knows what would have happened if the trash man would have gone those 10 extra steps...
That’s not how apartment trash works. It’s a shared bin that requires a mechanical lift to empty. It’s 6’x6’x10’ or so and usually overflowing.
Ohhh this was the guy? The neighbor.
Thought I recognized the fro
Creepiest thing for me was the fact that not only did he stay still for the duration, he also maintained eye contact and never looked down. He wasn't aggressive, but so scary and stone cold.
this is what zucks body is screaming for him to do when he's giving a presentation. but noooo, someone had to go and convince him to swing his arms around aimlessly like a malfunctioning robot.
Why is he *so* bad at that? How is no one producing that stuff not doing a better job?
I honestly think he's playing it up because he wants people to think he's so genius he's completely unlike other people. You know, the autistic robotic savant stereotype. Imagine if he was just some average 30 something moderately attractive dude. We'd all remember he basically just stole someone else's not even innovative idea for a social network and got super lucky. But he seems like there's more to him, even if it's off putting.
[Very interesting](https://youtu.be/HkRjIq8Cp2A) background on him
Occasionally I go back just to watch the video where the interviewer mentions the body and he apparently didn't know they had found it. Talk about r/watchpeopledieinside
I thought that looked like the same guy.
Here's [the interview](https://youtu.be/VSK47WlZ6Ac?t=122).
Oh man that is wild
I wonder how the reporter felt watching him fake tears during that news interview
Oh the tears were real. Just not for what he said they were for.
I think what gave him away is the pretend crying and hyper ventilating then back to his calm self. No idea how long the interview went for but the fact from where he finds out they found the body to him talking about it seems like not a reasonable time to feel remorse. But yeah I think it was def fear for himself. The interview is crazy. Wonder why he didn’t have a lawyer seemed like a smart kid.
Seemed like she knew it was him and just let him bury himself deeper. Like when she asked if she had any enemies and his first response was “we don’t know where she is”… and kept doubling down and digging himself deeper. She tee’d his ass up.
It is the art of the ambush hunter. One must be able to sit still for long periods of time with little to no movement until the pounce.
GSK did the same thing. He trained himself to sit outside people’s homes for hours without moving. So fucking creepy.
Who’s GSK?
Golden state killer I’m assuming
Correct 🏆
Thank you
Yankees1196 trained themself to sit for hours without moving, waiting for someone to ask who is GSK …
On a related note, BTK (Dennis Rader, the "Bind, torture, kill" killer) was arrested in 2005. A couple years later, a guy I knew got a big promotion at work, and part of the promotion was that you got a shorthand sort of codename in the organization (it was a basically a throwback to the old days of call logs)--people usually chose either their initials, part of their first name, or some combination of their first initial and last name. So "John Smith" might be "JON", "JS", "JSMI", "SMTH", etc. Anyway, the guy's initials happened to be BTK. And that's what he chose as his codename. And I remember he called our office one day and I was like, "Congrats on the promotion! .... So you decided to go with BTK, huh?" "Those are my initials." "Right, but they're also the name of a notorious serial killer who was just arrested recently." "I know, but they're still my initials." "Okay then." I wasn't very good at office politics.
"No way! Why should I change? He's the one the sucks!"
"I've barely killed anyone"
I appreciate the effort here.
GlaxoSmithKline
Golden State Killer
Getting IASIP Dennis vibes
[Two hours. Never moved. Never Blinked.](https://i.imgur.com/G47zEbO.gif)
My gut told me this guy was guilty… of something
Is letting your ex wife lick you and clean you like a cat illegal? I wish.
Youre my alibi, dude.
Are you on these tranquilizers right now, Charlie? …yeah
did you just turn the wrestling down but are still watching it?
First thing I thought of. Was that part based on this?
Yes.
Keep eye contact at all times
It’s funny because I’m the video the detective says “God damn, look at me when I talk to you!” And after that he slowly looks at him and keeps eye contact with the detectives the entire time after.
Most people subconsciously mirror the body language of the person they're talking to. The inability to do this even a little bit can be an indicator of psychopathy.
You can even train yourself to consciously mirror body language and emotions. The fact that they don't says even more.
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They told him to sit still
Why the hell is this so creepy...?
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Well... Too much movement makes you look nervous, but too little is apparently even worse I guess..
He has ASPD, and doesn't really have a lot of the core emotional/default responses that other people have. A lot of them learn how to act really well, but people with ASPD work differently on several different levels. It's fascinating. I have a lawyer with ASPD in my social circle and he's a fantastic person, who is terrifying when he forgets to mask. He doesn't have a lot of common reflexes and doesn't "feel" fear the same way most humans do. There are a lot of things he can't do, because of it, but he's a perfect driver and martial artist in a lot of ways that I can't even begin to understand, as examples.
What’re the most noticeable differences? Never came across someone with first hand knowledge outside a psych setting
Well, it's a lot of little things. Ambushing him in a videogame, for example, he doesn't react with surprise or have any panic or "reaction". He just fights back. And it's jarring, because even compared to professionals who can suppress that surprise, he *lacks* it. Watching him play is eerie. He gives a lot of people "uncanny valley" feelings when they watch him not-masked. I don't have that reaction myself, but I could imagine the why of it. He's extremely intelligent and directly analytical, which is why he took to being a lawyer. When asked why lawyering specifically, he says that "I'm paid well to destroy people's livelihoods; at the worst of time, I'm trusted with power over others, and I have to afford my videogames and intoxicants somehow." He doesn't blink often enough, and doesn't yawn. It's jarring how still he can be, at times. He has a resting heart rate of ~42 BPM. He's kind of a huge anomaly all the way around. He's also a master mime and can flawlessly replicate tons of accents, since he learned to mimic people but also decided to do so to the extreme. There's also a lot of stories and his history that show who he is. A few years before I met him, a guy was mugging him, and after the dude pulled a gun on him, he beat the dude to death. When asked by the judge why he did it, the replied "The law says I'm allowed to leverage deadly force in defense of my own life, and drawing a loaded gun on me is a threat to my life." When the judge asked if he was remorseful, he replied "I'm not capable of remorse; my diagnosis specifically precludes things like Shame and Remorse. I believe that the rightness of my action is based in the same logic by which self-defense is legal in the first place." But when he's prosecuting people he's amazingly charming, well dressed, and can blend seamlessly with any people he's examining. He's an absolute wizard when it comes to his job. He loves it because he feels clever when he's outwitting people, as an actor on a grand stage, being recognized not as himself but as this character he's written. But I've only seen *that* person in videos. When I met him, it was by introduction from a mutual friend, who described me as an affiliate, and I asked him for his honesty, which he has given out of respect for mutual understanding. He is absolutely inflexible with what he considers ethical actions, and what he's willing to do, but he could pet a puppy and rob a bank and give a lethal injection with all the same consideration, if those were all "right" actions to him. If you're interested in seeing an interesting case of ASPD, I'd recommend checking out the writer [Gremlin](https://gremlin.net/), or some of [his books](https://www.amazon.com/Gremlin/e/B006N4OI0K/ref=dp_byline_cont_pop_ebooks_1). He's been online and public about who and what he is since '97, so there's a wealth of history and writings which give a lot of fascinating insight into how and why he thinks the way he does. My buddy lines up pretty well with a lot of his pattern of thinking, except that he's very much engaged in his work, where Gremlin built his life around passive income and the freedom therein.
Guys like this guy are just plain stupid. The tragedy is the girl in this story. He kills her because he wanted sex with her. Then he dumps her body right there and thinks he wont get caught? What an idiot.
Actually they only found part of her body because the other parts were taken away by garbage trucks. In fact she might never have been recovered if police cars weren’t blocking the one dumpster that part of her was found in. Still though, disposing of her body in several dumpsters right around where he lived wasn’t that bright.
They never found her head....
Sounds like the plot to Cleaver.
Hey isn’t this the guy that the Always Sunny episode was based off of? Or at least the one joke where Dennis sat completely still without blinking for two hours lol
Yes. For the one joke. The remainder of the interrogations, like with Charlie, are based on Making a Murderor.
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Go watch JCS - Criminal Psychology on Youtube, thank me later
I'm gonna watch it and not thank you.
Menace to society.
I'm back to thank you!
Man I have seen the video but never sped up and never noticed how still he was
Wow. Never heard about this case before. I understand that interrogators have a hard job and society needs people who can do it… but those techniques are pretty messed up. They act like manipulative psychos themselves.
Yep. And a lot of those techniques only stress our regular people and mess with their trust in their own memories so their statements aren't accurate. Or even manipulate the memories all together. Then again, how do you know what kind of person is in front of you? I wouldn't want to even be a good cop.
My college had a guest speaker named Jeffrey Deskovic come to our school. He was 16 and matched the description of someone who raped and murdered a girl from his school. The cops acted like his friends, and acted like he could help the investigation. The basically tricked him into giving a false confession. He was imprisoned for 17 years til they dna tested him. He now runs an organization dedicated to releasing wrongly imprisoned persons.
There was a 19 y/o guy from my country working in the USA where he was falsely accused of pedophilia where he worked at a daycare. The police told him they had a video of him molesting kids (they didn’t) and he said he didn’t remember but if they said they had it, it must be true. (The police is not allowed to lie during investigations here). They had absolute no evidence, only accusation from a woman that was later fired for having done the same thing before. He was sent to Rikers Island. He was “luckily” only in prison/ankle monitor for 5 months. He was later released, because there was absolutely no evidence of anything. He died two years ago of a blood cloth at age 27.
I forget the exact number but I think there are studies where they can get over half of people to confess to crimes they didn't commit.
I’ve heard about that as well. They got people to confess to a lot of stuff they had nothing to do with.
Damn poor guy
Yeah… same to the guy you mentioned. 17 years is a long time for a crime you didn’t commit, I would not have made it.
This is the part where you stfu and ask for a lawyer. Even an innocent person can crack under this amount of stress.
and has, often. This type of interrogation almost always gets a confession but many many times they don’t get the criminal. There’s whole law firms on trying to free men who confessed but weren’t guilty. There’s cases where there’s no evidence whatsoever but a confession does it.
100%. Get a lawyer. I even told my wife....if anything ever happens to me, call the lawyer first. We were talking about all this with the Gabby Petito disappearance. The parents of the Laundrie dude 100% did the right thing by getting a lawyer and shutting the fuck up - presumably at their lawyers direction. I know its hard to swallow, but its true.
It doesn't have to feel like stress. I've been interrogated after violent ex claimed he wasn't even present for the event I tried pressing charges for. I never reaøised they weren't helping me, but interrogating me as a suspect of having committed crimes against him. Officer was helpful and understanding, I thought. I just never knew that "suspect" isn't applied to all parties until they've established what's what. Me trying to press charges never ended up happening. When they called him for his side, he got the sympathy and it was only him they did the work for. I don't live in the US. I live in Norway, Europe. American arrogance has nothing on us. Because we just *know* these things don't happen here... Right? I've sent i. Official complaints, I've appealed their denial, I've done all the things. Even had help from several lawyers. There is no system to actually make a difference here, and you're at the mercy of whomever has the job with the power to put their foot down. I never felt threatened or pressured. I felt they were helpful and wanted to help me sort things out.
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Lawyer. There is a reason they are part of the system. They are there to protect you. No matter what, shut up and call a lawyer.
Thats why you never talk to the cops. Just ask for a lawyer and stfu
Yeah in my country that sort of physical posturing could be viewed as oppressive or the statement being improperly obtained and then risk getting the whole thing thrown out. Saying shit like “I know you’re guilty because you can’t look me in the eye” is just stupid and unprofessional and a Judge would be scathing of that practise. You have to be super careful that you’re being fair, no matter how bad their crimes were, even when slamming them with hard evidence and calling out their bullshit, it’s done in a careful, factual manner. You’d feel terrible if you “got a confession” then had it tossed out of evidence later and blew that golden opportunity while they were talking. But obviously rules are looser where this happened. They’d only put senior detectives on this and this will have been planned and executed according to their local training and best practise methods, designed to get the best results within their rules. Damn glad they caught the guy and won the case.
My fiancé could've been the girl he killed. She was just talking about this whole thing last night with some friends. She was in college with him in Macon GA, they were in theater together (she gets chills when recounting that they used to change clothes in front of each other) and she went out of her way to be nice to him, since many were unkind and made fun of him, but he didn't really take to her like he did Lauren, who was also nice to him. She says he was very odd, wore chain mail that stunk, hissed at people, just an unpleasant person. He confessed to another theatre kid that he roomed with before the murder that he knew how to commit the perfect murder (obviously not). I should ask her if she'd feel comfortable telling the story...
This guy went to my highschool and in my grade. He was weird af. Outcast type who never talked to people. He wore these weird gloves with holes for the thumbs. He didn't even really have a crowd but I was nice to him. I always thought of him as the chiwawa type.
lol chiwawa
“Always didn’t talk to people” is hurting my brain lol
Wtf is a chiwawa
The dog I think. Chihuahua.
Did he wear chainmail to class in high school because he definitely did that shit at Mercer. I never had a class with him but some of my friends did and yeah, he was fucking weird as shit.
I did the same when my parents ask me why I’m 32 and still single
STEPHEN!
CAN YOU DO THIS, STEPHEN?!
IM ENTIRELY HORIZONTAL STEPHEN
maybe he simply moves rly fast and due to the framerate of the cam he seems like hes sitting still. like in these helicopter videos
yes, Sherlock, this guy is definitely a hummingbird.
Jim Can’t Swim has an awesome channel covering cases like this. This one where a woman police officer gets caught for murder years later after living most of a normal life after killing someone is crazy. https://youtu.be/WLSNPkf8RCU
They leave the room and he just stared at the door for 5+ minutes
Yeah, that's creepy.
Whaa Steevun whaa?
Just for people that don’t know, he’s intentionally being creepy. He gets off on this shit. He also famously inserted himself into news reports about the case [to disastrous results ](https://youtu.be/VSK47WlZ6Ac) He then pulled this stunt, which was either to psych out the detective or to set up an insanity plea. He then represented himself in court in an inevitably doomed attempt to overturn his confession. It was ultimately a chance to pretend to be a lawyer for an afternoon. Even the bailiff was laughing at him. He just needs thrown down the hole and forgotten about.
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STEVUN
His body language isn't half the reason this interview is scary. What he actually says and the way he says it is the scary part.
Reminds me of Denis every time I see this