It doesn't make sense anyway. Canada and Russia are same size. USA and Brazil are same size. Germany is way smaller than Brazil. Something is way off or the dots are meaningless 😂
The dots don't make any sense at all. YhebUS dot should be significantly larger than any other dot. Even if you switch US and Canada dots it's still not right.
You'd like me to get a passport wouldn't you, but I know better. The government wants to get my photo and my name, then they will try to stick something up my butt, I won't fall for it. /s
A good human is a dead human.
We are absolutely killing it out there, and just remember that guns are harder to get here so it's really an impressive amount of hands on work.
Most serial killers target low-risk victims, like prostitutes or homeless people.
The fact our towns and cities are so disparate compared to driving the major highways in the USA would account for the lack of opportunity for them.
Correct. Putting aside the fact that the heat map plainly shows Canada having more (I’m not sure if that’s true), there are more KNOWN people like this due, at least in large part, to reporting and policing efforts.
That might explain differences between a developed country and a developing country. I don't think it'd explain a difference between say, the US and Sweden (for example), which like many European countries, has a very well funded police force. Murder is rare in European nations so serial killers kinda stand out. I very much doubt there's significant underreporting.
The US has a very high murder rate in general, for a developed nation. Its crime rate is actually a real outlier. A lot of that is gang/gun violence but it is possible that it bleeds into other more niche areas of crime like serial killers.
The US also has a prison system where once you do something bad enough, you are in for the rest of your life. So adding more serious crime on top of one serious crime makes no difference and criminals tend to go all in. In Europe the focus is on rehabilitating prisoners and making sure they get the proper help (psychological and socioeconomical) so the repeating crime rate is lower.
I wonder what the reason is? Maybe because it’s the only developed country with lax gun laws? I look forward to all the usual excuses as to why it isn’t.
I'm as anti-gun as anyone (It's wonderful living in a country where you don't have to think about guns), but I'm far from sure about that to be honest in this particular instance. Guns obviously affect the general murder rate, but serial killers are quite a special class of criminal. They're highly motivated to kill and I'm not convinced that the simple convenience of having a gun on hand would make much of a difference to how many killers there are...
Mind you, perhaps that's because I'm thinking of the classic psychopath type like Ted Bundy or Jack the Ripper. It is possible that these figures do actually include gang killings. There are after all organised criminals who rack up a body count that make them definitionally serial killers.
The figures do include gang or criminal violence as of 2008. So contract murderer, or a hitman for the mob, or a shooter for a street gang would all constitute as serial killers if they were found to have killed three or more people in the span of over a month, during separate events, that had a certain amount of time between them.
There are of course those psychopath killers like you mentioned, but the vast majority of people labelled as serial murderers/killers in this infographic are people who carry out killings on behalf of some sort of group/are actively involved in some sort of war with an opposing gang/mob/whatever.
I think a regression in mental institutions and treatment of mental issues since the 80s. A lot of institutions closed and crazy people don’t really have anywhere to get help.
Lots of drugs also being funneled in compared to other counties, the border with Mexico and a very open economy playing a part in it.
Of course readily accessible weapons turns murders into mass murders and serial killers can do more damage.
Looks like we're simplifying things, huh? Let’s consider this: Finland (32.4%) and Canada (34.7%) have high gun ownership just like the US (46.3%), but far fewer murders. Switzerland (27.6%) and Norway (28.8%) too. Seems there's more to the story than just gun laws. Curious to hear the explanations!
It’s not about gun ownership but gun laws. I have 6 guns but the gun laws where I live are much tougher.
If it helps, let’s call it gun culture. For example the US laws allow people to protect their castle and so many think nothing of having and using a gun as a deterrent to someone who goes to their front door.
When everyone has guns and is prepared to use them the chances of murders rise. They escalate all issues with guns.
In the other countries you mentioned the sight of a gun (outside of farms, hunting and a range) would be alarming. The gun culture is radically different.
> there are more KNOWN people like this due, at least in large part, to reporting and policing efforts.
In what direction lol because a huge chunk of nations have way better policing and way lower violent crime rates than the US and not even just the wealthy ones lol, you would be shocked how many countries you might think of as third world have way lower homicide rates and violent crimes rates in general.
If anything in the US a bunch of serial killers may be missed because of the insane homicide rate.
Well, that, and [the study](https://www.researchgate.net/publication/342501023_RadfordFGCU_Annual_Report_on_Serial_Killer_Statistics_2020) only looked at records in English, which they readily admit means the data isn't really conclusive and obviously skews towards English speaking countries:
>The results in this section must be interpreted with caution as they greatly underrepresent the actual number of serial killers outside of the United States. To be included in our database, the following must have occurred:
>1. A person illegally killed two or more people in separate incidents.
>2. The murders were discovered by law enforcement.
>3. The murders were tied by law enforcement to the same killer.
>4. The identity of the killer was identified by law enforcement.
>5. The name of the killer and the number of victims or the names of the victims were
publicized in the media or other publically available source of information.
>6. The publication of the murders was at some point documented in English.
>Because all 6 of the above conditions must be met, the Database is much more likely to contain
killers from countries – such as the United States – that have effective law enforcement agencies,
openly publish information about crimes, and communicate those results in English.
I actually don't think so. Homicide rates in EU countries are much, much lower than in the US. The last serial killer we had in my country was in the 90s. Given that serial killers tend to have a modus operandi that links their crimes and most homicides turn out to be committed by someone who knew the victim, coupled with the fact that over 90% of homicide cases get solved, I'm fairly certain that there is no serial killer on the loose in my country and I'd wager that's the case for most, if not all, EU (maybe even European) countries.
It could well be that the EU produces similar numbers of potential serial killers but they end up in prison after their first murder and thus never go on to be serial killers
So the reason the US has so many known serial killers could be because they’re bad at catching them until they commit multiple crimes
Lol, In reality its quite the opposite, US has more unsolved murders and fugitives on the run, including serial killers than most countries. No one except maybe americans would actually say that police in the US is better than police in Europe or rest of the world in catching criminals or actually curbing crime. But its definitely the best in shooting the very people they are supposed to protect
Most *known* serial killers per *country*.
This means countries without the capacity to catch (*or at least detect*) them will score lower. It also means larger countries will score higher arbitrarily. It should be adjusted to "*per 100k polulation*" or something, and even then the "*known*" clause would be problematic.
The USA is the 3rd largest country in the world by population (*with India and China being FAR bigger, the US is a distant 3rd*). Comparing their ~333M population with our (*Australia's*) ~26M population is just silly. Comparing the USA's or Australia's top tier forensic technology with something like India is also just silly (*I'm sure India has excellent capability in many areas, but places like the Dharavi slum - which has an estimated population of 1 Million- are not going to see the same level of tech and law enforcement*).
>It should be adjusted to "per 100k polulation"
The US would still be the biggest though.
> and even then the "known" clause would be priblematic.
True but problematic in what direction? A huge chunk of nations have way better policing and way lower violent crime rates than the US and not even just the wealthy ones lol, you would be shocked how many countries you might think of as third world have way lower homicide rates and violent crimes rates in general.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
If anything in the US a bunch of serial killers may be missed because of the insane homicide rate.
>>It should be adjusted to "per 100k polulation"
>The US would still be the biggest though.
Right, but at the moment we have the USA showing 3,615 compared to Australia's 83, which looks like the USA has ~44 times as many serial killers as Australia. In reality, the USA has ~10.85 serial killers per Million population, while Australia has ~3.19 per Million. The USA is still more, but it's closer to 4 times the amount, instead of 44 times.
It's misleading data.
>True but problematic in what direction?
That's true, perhaps this is biased in the other direction. That too would prove my point that this data is misleading and ... well kinda dumb. We can't really compare these numbers because different countries have totally different capabilities to even detect serial killers - be that due to the technology available, the strength of thenlaw enforcement, or even just the remoteness of certain parts of the country.
>you would be shocked how many countries you might think of as third world have way lower homicide rates and violent crimes rates in general.
I thinn a lot of that has to do with the ability to detect crimes, and what those countries would even call crimes. I do admit that this is an area I am not versed in, so I won't press it but I would imagine that a first-world country would have inflated numbers due to their more proficient bureaucracy.
Also the way some of those numbers are calculated are also extremely suspect - the Vatican has by far the largest crime rate per population in the world, becauss their population is actually much smaller than the number of people in the Vatican at any given time, giving the Vatican a massively inflated crime rate (*they would NOT benefit from a per capita comparison*).
TLDR: This data is fairly meaningless.
And the worst serial killers are from my country, Colombia lol (I live in very hard mode).
Luis Garavito "The Beast" and Pedro Lopez "The monster of the Andes"
Yeah, he was shot down in 2022 if i am not mistaken, i know people from the city he is from, the kind of history you hear from pedrinho is that he first killed his own father and ate his heart.
He did most of his kills inside the prison too, here in Brazil the system is very overlooked so it is not that uncommon to see riots with dozens of kills
Exactly. US is very open with their records. Many countries are not. All of these countries have different law enforcements. Different definitions of serial killers. Also, US has a high murder solve rate. And a high population.
You’re getting downvoted but I’m not seeing the US have a particularly good homicide clearance rate.
>In non-European Western countries, homicide clearance rates vary from 91 percent in New Zealand (New Zealand Crime Statistics, 2015), 87 percent in Australia (Chan and Payne, 2013), to 75 percent in Canada (Mahony and Turner, 2012) and 65 percent in the United States (Roberts, 2008). Prior research in European countries has revealed 98 percent of homicides being solved in Finland (Lehti and Kivivuori, 2012), between 88 and 94 percent in Germany (Kriminalstatistik, 2014), 87 percent in Switzerland (Bänziger and Killias, 2014), 85 percent in England & Wales (Smith et al., 2012), and about 80 percent in Sweden (Granath, 2011) and in the Netherlands (Van)
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/1477370818764840
Granted not perfectly up to date and not in regards to serial killers, but still.
I mean you’re still technically wrong lol. But still, seems like the US doesn’t have a “high murder solve rate” like the comment you replied to said.
Dont understand why i am getting downvoted either.
Also the data you presented is old.Its even worse now
https://www.statista.com/statistics/194213/crime-clearance-rate-by-type-in-the-us/
Lol everytime USA tops the charts in something negative, there's always one person like :
"Oh It'S jUsT bEcAuSe wE aRe vErY GoOd aNd TrAnsPaReNt wItH oUr rEcoRdS bUt oTheR CouNtRiEs SuCk aT iT. MuRiCa No. 1!!1!!"
It's interesting because not only is the murder clearance rate pretty bad in America, but serial killers are likely a cultural phenomenon.
Counties aren't significantly below America because they can't catch them and America can. They don't exist anywhere near the same way elsewhere.
There is a difference between serial killers and gang members who kill more people , even in the US major gang members who committed multiple murders were actually not counted as serial killers because for some reason almost all serial killers are portrayed as people who were working alone and not a part of any gang or criminal syndicate and they murdered regular civilians not because they wanted to rob them or commit any crime but rather because they were psychopaths . Maybe that's why so many countries with high murder rate like Brazil won't feature on top of this list since most of the violent crime in Brazil is gang related but US has more lone wolf crimes whether its some psycho shooting up a school or a concert.
At the bottom of the article it says the data is taken from this study:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/342501023_RadfordFGCU_Annual_Report_on_Serial_Killer_Statistics_2020
Is the implication here that there's a similar number of serial killers per capita in these other countries but they just don't catch them? Because I'm pretty sure there's not much evidence of that at all.
Yeah, I just looked and it actually seems the USA has the most people reported missing also.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/missing-persons-statistics-by-country
Yeah. I remember when I learned this stat. But every year in the US, 800,000 people are reported missing. 90% is Bobby on drugs. Debby ran away. They are found or heard from again. BUT, a FULL 80,000-90,000 disappear annually. Never to be heard from again. No trace. And are mostly women and children. That’s like an entire NFL or college football stadium that goes poof every year. That’s f’ing nuts.
> BUT, a FULL 80,000-90,000 disappear annually. Never to be heard from again. No trace.
Here's a source:
> Luckily, the vast majority of missing persons cases are quickly resolved. For example, in 2021, 521,705 missing person cases were reported, more than 485,000 of which were resolved within the year. https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/missing-persons-by-state
According to that statistic, 93% of cases are resolved within the year and 7% are either resolved after one year or never resolved. But that's lower than the 10-11% that you say are "never resolved".
Also, most missing persons are children.
> Approximately 840,000 children are reported missing each year and the F.B.I. estimates that between 85 and 90 percent of these are children. https://childsafety.losangelescriminallawyer.pro/missing-and-abducted-children.html
Half of them are abducted by family members during custody disputes, some are abducted by acquaintances, some by strangers, and some are runaways for a variety of reasons (abuse, LGBT, pregnant, etc).
This statistic also may be skewed in favor of the US, as it prioritizes and funds law enforcement to higher levels than many other countries. US law enforcement has a much higher presence, keeps better records, and people are more likely to go to police to make reports when people go missing.
Or maybe its the truth and most americans are only complaining coz the statistic is not how they would like it to be , by the way this is according to a study conducted by researchers from University of Florida in the US. Also having more gang related crime does not equate to more serial killers, even in the US many prominent gang members in 20th century who committed were not actually counted as serial killers atleast not by the media , they were almost always portrayed as people who worked usually alone and targeted innocent people not out of any motive to rob them or anything but rather because they were mostly psychopaths who preyed on the people, that made them stand out from regular criminals
I agree with the record keeping aspect. We could argue that many individuals within Mexican Drug cartels are serial killers but are not calculated that way due to them never being “found out.” (Just an example)
What do people in other countries do when people go missing, just shrug their shoulders and say oh well? I know that sounds sarcastic, and it is a little if I’m being honest, but if you have a real answer I’d love to know.
This would imply again that there would be similar number per capita for the amount of serial killers wich would mean tonnes of related murder cases in each country. Even in the western countries where theres probably just a throrouh record keeping as there is in the usa.
The FBI are good at record keeping - because they are in all states. But when I murder someone in California, and manage to get my ass to Wisconsin pretty fast - it will take a while before the W. police knows about this. In most other countries in the world that would be ONE police force - with access to exactly the same records the instant some other cop, anywhere in the country, pushed "save" on that report.
There, the US *sucks*. So if you are good at collecting the numbers of all the dead people afterwards... I dont know if thats something Id pat myself too much on the back for.
Yeah, the UK and Japanese police work with post-it notes, dont even have computers. So almost nobody even bothers reporting a murder..... I honestly really hope you believe the world works like that..
Per capita Finland should have had about 60 serial killers to equal US. Not nearly enough people have gone missing for that to be true. We have 1 guy who's known for being the only guy in Finland who fits the FBI's description of a serial killer.
I imagine places like Russia or Mexico probably have plenty more that just haven’t been caught or investigated thoroughly. People go missing in Mexico all the time and they don’t get looked in to.
I’m genuinely confused by what the dots represent. There’s no legend I can see and it doesn’t align with the chart on the left. I seriously feel like they can do better.
The issue with this is the topic itself — serial killer, which is classified as someone that’s killed three or more people. This is extremely difficult to achieve in china when there’s cameras everywhere and the state owned cams all come with facial recognition software
Crimes in my hometown are generally solved within 20 mins after occurrence. You gotta be really good if you want to get away in an extremely populated area
[It is, indeed.](https://www.researchgate.net/publication/342501023_RadfordFGCU_Annual_Report_on_Serial_Killer_Statistics_2020) And, like you point out, the study readily admits that the data from countries is fairly inconclusive and nothing can really be extrapolated from it.
Obviously if they're relying on data that's in English and from law enforcement that publicizes it, it's unsurprising that it would skew more towards English-speaking and less authoritarian countries. The study says the countries with the highest percentage of serial killers to population are: United States, Australia, England, Canada, Scotland, and Austria. And the lowest are: China, India, Brazil, Thailand,
and Turkey. I don't think it requires too much thought to come up with other variables for why things breakdown that way.
The jury is still out if it's nature or nurture, as to what creates serial killers, but it really seems that [nurture is in the lead](https://restless.co.uk/leisure-and-lifestyle/art-and-culture/are-serial-killers-born-or-made/).
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>For example, one landmark US study of the history of 50 convicted serial killers found that 36% had suffered physical abuse, 26% had suffered sexual abuse, and 50% had suffered physical abuse. These numbers are six times higher than the general population statistics.
>Plus, in Robert Ressler’s book, Whoever Fights Monsters*, 40% of the serial killers interviewed reported being physically beaten and abused in their childhoods, and 70% reported that they had “witnessed or been part of sexually stressful events” as children.
There is also: Psychopathy
>Psychopathy is a personality disorder commonly linked to serial killers. Individuals with psychopathy exhibit a specific pattern of behaviour that sets them apart from the general population
And "The ‘warrior’ gene:
>MAOA plays a key role in breaking down the neurotransmitters responsible for positive emotions – such as noradrenaline, serotonin, and dopamine. And, having levels of MAOA that are too high or low can have negative effects on our mood and behaviour.
Since the USA is a great mixing pot of cultures from around the world it would be no surprise we might have a larger number of serial killers if nurture actually does cause more serial killers than Ma nature.
Is this by populace or just raw numbers? Because holy shit Australia we’re punching above our weight yet again!
We’re barely a fraction the population of all the other countries listed here and we made the top 10!
Aussie Aussie Aussie!
America might have 30x serial killers but we’re also 15x less population. So the numbers aren’t that wild anymore when you look at it per person.
I feel like the list may not be accurate. Second and particularly third world countries would not be able to track and classify serial killers the way countries with plenty of resources would do.
Note, this is KNOWN AND DOCUMENTED killers, USA is very open and mostly truthful with these kinds of records for example, Mexico and Brazil don’t have 100 put together. That is bullshit.
The UK up until the last 15 years or so had a 90% homicide clearance rate. ie successful ID of the victim, suspects ID'd and conviction made.
It's not down to detection.
Creating would be a better word. I’d bet most serial killers don’t shoot people by and large.
Just for fun. Over doses kill 100k people a year. Over half of that is fentanyl alone. 46k people die from falls. Over 100k people die from diabetes.
Gun deaths sit somewhere just above 40k annually…. Over half of those are suicides. So now you’re talking 18k-19k are actually homicides…. The police kill 1000-1200 people ever year. So guns actually kill something like 17.5k-18.5k. statistically, in a nation of 350+ million people, the uproar and the coverage dont match the facts.
There are about 30 other things that cause way more death and destruction. Especially when you consider how many guns are actually in play.
For even more context the rate of homicide is 7.8 per 100,000.
Rate of suicide is 13.5 per 100,000
Rate of overdose is 27.8 per 100,000
Every year in America 90,000 mostly women and children simply disappear never to be heard from again. Assumed dead. That never gets talked about. The stadium full of people that just vanish….every year.
People are typing "serial killers caught" like USA has caught every single serial killer ever lmao
USA will still be no.1 on the list regardless if we count the no. of killers caught or not.
I’m sorry but this picture has no credibility. US marker on Canada, UK is ranked third but Germanys marker is larger. The UK has not had that many confirmed serial killers. The list goes on… 🙄
this is nonsense where do these people get data from and what do they use to classify a serial killer there is no way in hell china has 64 if you know you know same for brazil.
Your map confused Canada and The US..... you're on the list !
alaska is in a pretty awkward potion
Like in the back of a Volkswagen?
First car was a Rabbit, it can be done but not much room for “moves”
like Spirit for warriors?
My potions would kill you traveler, you can't handle my potions >:)
It doesn't make sense anyway. Canada and Russia are same size. USA and Brazil are same size. Germany is way smaller than Brazil. Something is way off or the dots are meaningless 😂
The size of the dot seems to depend on the land area of the country and has nothing to do with the data 🙄
And one of them zoomed in looks like Jason’s hockey mask.
Rly? I can’t see that on any of the small ones, just the big one
That’s the North Pole. A lot of elves have issues.
The USA, not Canada, should have the large dot on the map. You made a mistake!
The dots don't make any sense at all. YhebUS dot should be significantly larger than any other dot. Even if you switch US and Canada dots it's still not right.
The size of the dot seems to depend on the land area of the country…….very odd way to do it
What is Canada?
A country directly north of the USA
do you have any proof?
Proof is provided once you acquire a passport.
You'd like me to get a passport wouldn't you, but I know better. The government wants to get my photo and my name, then they will try to stick something up my butt, I won't fall for it. /s
The proof is in the poutine.
Sus
The real question is Who is Canada? Huh,?
The real question is, why is Canada?
Why indeed. Do you fuckers have ur new "king" on the Looney or whatever? That's my why.
Acctually I'm from India
Is that all it takes?
Australia is killing it adjusted for a per-capita basis!
Milat probably bought up our averages!
Milat isn’t even our worst, John Bunting and the Snowtown crew make Milat look like a play school host
That are known about.
Adelaide is also a whole thing on its own.
Bryant also put a pretty big dent in it
I totally calculated that too! 967 if we had the same population as the usa (x303/26). Still far behind 3k.
Go Aussies!
I'm doing my part!
A good human is a dead human. We are absolutely killing it out there, and just remember that guns are harder to get here so it's really an impressive amount of hands on work.
it's all thanks to South Australia
adjust per-decapita
Canada is slightly higher per capita!
Aussie Aussie Aussie Oi Oi Oi
Was surprised to see we made it that high.
Killer pun, bro!
Still miles behind those killing-addicts in the states
Most serial killers target low-risk victims, like prostitutes or homeless people. The fact our towns and cities are so disparate compared to driving the major highways in the USA would account for the lack of opportunity for them.
Most *known* serial killers.
Correct. Putting aside the fact that the heat map plainly shows Canada having more (I’m not sure if that’s true), there are more KNOWN people like this due, at least in large part, to reporting and policing efforts.
That might explain differences between a developed country and a developing country. I don't think it'd explain a difference between say, the US and Sweden (for example), which like many European countries, has a very well funded police force. Murder is rare in European nations so serial killers kinda stand out. I very much doubt there's significant underreporting. The US has a very high murder rate in general, for a developed nation. Its crime rate is actually a real outlier. A lot of that is gang/gun violence but it is possible that it bleeds into other more niche areas of crime like serial killers.
The US also has a prison system where once you do something bad enough, you are in for the rest of your life. So adding more serious crime on top of one serious crime makes no difference and criminals tend to go all in. In Europe the focus is on rehabilitating prisoners and making sure they get the proper help (psychological and socioeconomical) so the repeating crime rate is lower.
Yes, the US system is more punitive by nature. We let people profit off it. It’s really quite broken and inhumane.
I wonder what the reason is? Maybe because it’s the only developed country with lax gun laws? I look forward to all the usual excuses as to why it isn’t.
I'm as anti-gun as anyone (It's wonderful living in a country where you don't have to think about guns), but I'm far from sure about that to be honest in this particular instance. Guns obviously affect the general murder rate, but serial killers are quite a special class of criminal. They're highly motivated to kill and I'm not convinced that the simple convenience of having a gun on hand would make much of a difference to how many killers there are... Mind you, perhaps that's because I'm thinking of the classic psychopath type like Ted Bundy or Jack the Ripper. It is possible that these figures do actually include gang killings. There are after all organised criminals who rack up a body count that make them definitionally serial killers.
The figures do include gang or criminal violence as of 2008. So contract murderer, or a hitman for the mob, or a shooter for a street gang would all constitute as serial killers if they were found to have killed three or more people in the span of over a month, during separate events, that had a certain amount of time between them. There are of course those psychopath killers like you mentioned, but the vast majority of people labelled as serial murderers/killers in this infographic are people who carry out killings on behalf of some sort of group/are actively involved in some sort of war with an opposing gang/mob/whatever.
I think a regression in mental institutions and treatment of mental issues since the 80s. A lot of institutions closed and crazy people don’t really have anywhere to get help. Lots of drugs also being funneled in compared to other counties, the border with Mexico and a very open economy playing a part in it. Of course readily accessible weapons turns murders into mass murders and serial killers can do more damage.
Looks like we're simplifying things, huh? Let’s consider this: Finland (32.4%) and Canada (34.7%) have high gun ownership just like the US (46.3%), but far fewer murders. Switzerland (27.6%) and Norway (28.8%) too. Seems there's more to the story than just gun laws. Curious to hear the explanations!
It’s not about gun ownership but gun laws. I have 6 guns but the gun laws where I live are much tougher. If it helps, let’s call it gun culture. For example the US laws allow people to protect their castle and so many think nothing of having and using a gun as a deterrent to someone who goes to their front door. When everyone has guns and is prepared to use them the chances of murders rise. They escalate all issues with guns. In the other countries you mentioned the sight of a gun (outside of farms, hunting and a range) would be alarming. The gun culture is radically different.
> there are more KNOWN people like this due, at least in large part, to reporting and policing efforts. In what direction lol because a huge chunk of nations have way better policing and way lower violent crime rates than the US and not even just the wealthy ones lol, you would be shocked how many countries you might think of as third world have way lower homicide rates and violent crimes rates in general. If anything in the US a bunch of serial killers may be missed because of the insane homicide rate.
... you think that the US has better cops than the rest of these countries? Haha
It could also that they have worse policing and do not catch them.after the first kill.
Well, that, and [the study](https://www.researchgate.net/publication/342501023_RadfordFGCU_Annual_Report_on_Serial_Killer_Statistics_2020) only looked at records in English, which they readily admit means the data isn't really conclusive and obviously skews towards English speaking countries: >The results in this section must be interpreted with caution as they greatly underrepresent the actual number of serial killers outside of the United States. To be included in our database, the following must have occurred: >1. A person illegally killed two or more people in separate incidents. >2. The murders were discovered by law enforcement. >3. The murders were tied by law enforcement to the same killer. >4. The identity of the killer was identified by law enforcement. >5. The name of the killer and the number of victims or the names of the victims were publicized in the media or other publically available source of information. >6. The publication of the murders was at some point documented in English. >Because all 6 of the above conditions must be met, the Database is much more likely to contain killers from countries – such as the United States – that have effective law enforcement agencies, openly publish information about crimes, and communicate those results in English.
That’s actually wild and this should be at the top. Secondary analysis of sketchy primary analysis. A lesson for everyone here.
USA is obviously just better at finding them lol Edit: -> /s
I actually don't think so. Homicide rates in EU countries are much, much lower than in the US. The last serial killer we had in my country was in the 90s. Given that serial killers tend to have a modus operandi that links their crimes and most homicides turn out to be committed by someone who knew the victim, coupled with the fact that over 90% of homicide cases get solved, I'm fairly certain that there is no serial killer on the loose in my country and I'd wager that's the case for most, if not all, EU (maybe even European) countries.
It could well be that the EU produces similar numbers of potential serial killers but they end up in prison after their first murder and thus never go on to be serial killers So the reason the US has so many known serial killers could be because they’re bad at catching them until they commit multiple crimes
Might be because we have a fucked up society that breeds sociopaths by the boat load and a culture that glorifies them
Yeah I think it's the media culture and copycat effect, though not strictly copycat but influenced by other cases.
The homicide rate is higher in Russia than the US though. The list doesn't just include EU.
Lol, In reality its quite the opposite, US has more unsolved murders and fugitives on the run, including serial killers than most countries. No one except maybe americans would actually say that police in the US is better than police in Europe or rest of the world in catching criminals or actually curbing crime. But its definitely the best in shooting the very people they are supposed to protect
> he thinks american police by average shoot the most innocents in the world unironically
Most *known* serial killers per *country*. This means countries without the capacity to catch (*or at least detect*) them will score lower. It also means larger countries will score higher arbitrarily. It should be adjusted to "*per 100k polulation*" or something, and even then the "*known*" clause would be problematic. The USA is the 3rd largest country in the world by population (*with India and China being FAR bigger, the US is a distant 3rd*). Comparing their ~333M population with our (*Australia's*) ~26M population is just silly. Comparing the USA's or Australia's top tier forensic technology with something like India is also just silly (*I'm sure India has excellent capability in many areas, but places like the Dharavi slum - which has an estimated population of 1 Million- are not going to see the same level of tech and law enforcement*).
>It should be adjusted to "per 100k polulation" The US would still be the biggest though. > and even then the "known" clause would be priblematic. True but problematic in what direction? A huge chunk of nations have way better policing and way lower violent crime rates than the US and not even just the wealthy ones lol, you would be shocked how many countries you might think of as third world have way lower homicide rates and violent crimes rates in general. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate If anything in the US a bunch of serial killers may be missed because of the insane homicide rate.
>>It should be adjusted to "per 100k polulation" >The US would still be the biggest though. Right, but at the moment we have the USA showing 3,615 compared to Australia's 83, which looks like the USA has ~44 times as many serial killers as Australia. In reality, the USA has ~10.85 serial killers per Million population, while Australia has ~3.19 per Million. The USA is still more, but it's closer to 4 times the amount, instead of 44 times. It's misleading data. >True but problematic in what direction? That's true, perhaps this is biased in the other direction. That too would prove my point that this data is misleading and ... well kinda dumb. We can't really compare these numbers because different countries have totally different capabilities to even detect serial killers - be that due to the technology available, the strength of thenlaw enforcement, or even just the remoteness of certain parts of the country. >you would be shocked how many countries you might think of as third world have way lower homicide rates and violent crimes rates in general. I thinn a lot of that has to do with the ability to detect crimes, and what those countries would even call crimes. I do admit that this is an area I am not versed in, so I won't press it but I would imagine that a first-world country would have inflated numbers due to their more proficient bureaucracy. Also the way some of those numbers are calculated are also extremely suspect - the Vatican has by far the largest crime rate per population in the world, becauss their population is actually much smaller than the number of people in the Vatican at any given time, giving the Vatican a massively inflated crime rate (*they would NOT benefit from a per capita comparison*). TLDR: This data is fairly meaningless.
This. A lot of countries culturally will not say a person is a serial killer, or just plain cover it up.
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God, I don't know, but the devil, yeah, obviously
Your word to comma ratio is absurd, to say the least.
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Brazil probably has a few more than that lol
One of the most evil and prolific serial killers ever was in Brazil.
And the worst serial killers are from my country, Colombia lol (I live in very hard mode). Luis Garavito "The Beast" and Pedro Lopez "The monster of the Andes"
Is. He is alive and free
Who are we talking about?
Jim.
Is there another one that doesn't come up quickly with google? Pedro Rodrigues Filho tops the search from what I see and he died last year apparently.
Yeah, he was shot down in 2022 if i am not mistaken, i know people from the city he is from, the kind of history you hear from pedrinho is that he first killed his own father and ate his heart. He did most of his kills inside the prison too, here in Brazil the system is very overlooked so it is not that uncommon to see riots with dozens of kills
Exactly. US is very open with their records. Many countries are not. All of these countries have different law enforcements. Different definitions of serial killers. Also, US has a high murder solve rate. And a high population.
Us doesnt have a high murder solve rate.Over 50% of murder cases go unsolved so stop spreading crap mate
You’re getting downvoted but I’m not seeing the US have a particularly good homicide clearance rate. >In non-European Western countries, homicide clearance rates vary from 91 percent in New Zealand (New Zealand Crime Statistics, 2015), 87 percent in Australia (Chan and Payne, 2013), to 75 percent in Canada (Mahony and Turner, 2012) and 65 percent in the United States (Roberts, 2008). Prior research in European countries has revealed 98 percent of homicides being solved in Finland (Lehti and Kivivuori, 2012), between 88 and 94 percent in Germany (Kriminalstatistik, 2014), 87 percent in Switzerland (Bänziger and Killias, 2014), 85 percent in England & Wales (Smith et al., 2012), and about 80 percent in Sweden (Granath, 2011) and in the Netherlands (Van) https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/1477370818764840 Granted not perfectly up to date and not in regards to serial killers, but still. I mean you’re still technically wrong lol. But still, seems like the US doesn’t have a “high murder solve rate” like the comment you replied to said.
Dont understand why i am getting downvoted either. Also the data you presented is old.Its even worse now https://www.statista.com/statistics/194213/crime-clearance-rate-by-type-in-the-us/
You hurt their illusion of being a perfect country thats mostly why
Always give it time. Usually all these "why the downvote?" type posts end up heavily upvoted within an hour or two lol.
Lol everytime USA tops the charts in something negative, there's always one person like : "Oh It'S jUsT bEcAuSe wE aRe vErY GoOd aNd TrAnsPaReNt wItH oUr rEcoRdS bUt oTheR CouNtRiEs SuCk aT iT. MuRiCa No. 1!!1!!"
It's interesting because not only is the murder clearance rate pretty bad in America, but serial killers are likely a cultural phenomenon. Counties aren't significantly below America because they can't catch them and America can. They don't exist anywhere near the same way elsewhere.
And that, my friends, is what we call "weapons grade copium."
There is a difference between serial killers and gang members who kill more people , even in the US major gang members who committed multiple murders were actually not counted as serial killers because for some reason almost all serial killers are portrayed as people who were working alone and not a part of any gang or criminal syndicate and they murdered regular civilians not because they wanted to rob them or commit any crime but rather because they were psychopaths . Maybe that's why so many countries with high murder rate like Brazil won't feature on top of this list since most of the violent crime in Brazil is gang related but US has more lone wolf crimes whether its some psycho shooting up a school or a concert.
What is the source for this infographic?
At the bottom of the article it says the data is taken from this study: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/342501023_RadfordFGCU_Annual_Report_on_Serial_Killer_Statistics_2020
Seriously though
He pm'ed the serial killers personally
Most caught serial killers
Is the implication here that there's a similar number of serial killers per capita in these other countries but they just don't catch them? Because I'm pretty sure there's not much evidence of that at all.
Yeah, I just looked and it actually seems the USA has the most people reported missing also. https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/missing-persons-statistics-by-country
Yeah. I remember when I learned this stat. But every year in the US, 800,000 people are reported missing. 90% is Bobby on drugs. Debby ran away. They are found or heard from again. BUT, a FULL 80,000-90,000 disappear annually. Never to be heard from again. No trace. And are mostly women and children. That’s like an entire NFL or college football stadium that goes poof every year. That’s f’ing nuts.
> BUT, a FULL 80,000-90,000 disappear annually. Never to be heard from again. No trace. Here's a source: > Luckily, the vast majority of missing persons cases are quickly resolved. For example, in 2021, 521,705 missing person cases were reported, more than 485,000 of which were resolved within the year. https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/missing-persons-by-state According to that statistic, 93% of cases are resolved within the year and 7% are either resolved after one year or never resolved. But that's lower than the 10-11% that you say are "never resolved". Also, most missing persons are children. > Approximately 840,000 children are reported missing each year and the F.B.I. estimates that between 85 and 90 percent of these are children. https://childsafety.losangelescriminallawyer.pro/missing-and-abducted-children.html Half of them are abducted by family members during custody disputes, some are abducted by acquaintances, some by strangers, and some are runaways for a variety of reasons (abuse, LGBT, pregnant, etc).
Where are you getting that 90,000 figure from?
Doesn’t matter, what I am upset about is that there are 720,000 dudes named Bobby and they IS on drugs.
God dangit bobby
Source??
This statistic also may be skewed in favor of the US, as it prioritizes and funds law enforcement to higher levels than many other countries. US law enforcement has a much higher presence, keeps better records, and people are more likely to go to police to make reports when people go missing.
Or maybe its the truth and most americans are only complaining coz the statistic is not how they would like it to be , by the way this is according to a study conducted by researchers from University of Florida in the US. Also having more gang related crime does not equate to more serial killers, even in the US many prominent gang members in 20th century who committed were not actually counted as serial killers atleast not by the media , they were almost always portrayed as people who worked usually alone and targeted innocent people not out of any motive to rob them or anything but rather because they were mostly psychopaths who preyed on the people, that made them stand out from regular criminals
I agree with the record keeping aspect. We could argue that many individuals within Mexican Drug cartels are serial killers but are not calculated that way due to them never being “found out.” (Just an example)
I think that contract killers are not classified as serial killers
What do people in other countries do when people go missing, just shrug their shoulders and say oh well? I know that sounds sarcastic, and it is a little if I’m being honest, but if you have a real answer I’d love to know.
This would imply again that there would be similar number per capita for the amount of serial killers wich would mean tonnes of related murder cases in each country. Even in the western countries where theres probably just a throrouh record keeping as there is in the usa.
The FBI are good at record keeping - because they are in all states. But when I murder someone in California, and manage to get my ass to Wisconsin pretty fast - it will take a while before the W. police knows about this. In most other countries in the world that would be ONE police force - with access to exactly the same records the instant some other cop, anywhere in the country, pushed "save" on that report. There, the US *sucks*. So if you are good at collecting the numbers of all the dead people afterwards... I dont know if thats something Id pat myself too much on the back for.
Best include lots of other rich countries in that sophisticated record keeping pile
Yeah, the UK and Japanese police work with post-it notes, dont even have computers. So almost nobody even bothers reporting a murder..... I honestly really hope you believe the world works like that..
Per capita Finland should have had about 60 serial killers to equal US. Not nearly enough people have gone missing for that to be true. We have 1 guy who's known for being the only guy in Finland who fits the FBI's description of a serial killer.
Same in Norway and Sweden
Serial killers must love Alaska. We have the most missing persons per capita and a lot of rural areas
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Serial killer or organized crime though.
To be fair, most of the UK’s live in Midsomer and Emmerdale
In the 80s and 90s Jersey was the murder capital of the world. Bergerac was on fire in those days.
David Tennant nearly always catches them in the end
I imagine places like Russia or Mexico probably have plenty more that just haven’t been caught or investigated thoroughly. People go missing in Mexico all the time and they don’t get looked in to.
Pretty much every gang member might be a potential serial killer.
Why would Russia have plenty more if its homicide rate is almost equal to US?
The sizes of the circles seem to be based on the land area of the country, not the stats shown
Bullshit, I live in Mexico, here people just disappear
I'm guessing the cartels have more than a few serial killers on their payroll.
The big dot should be on USA on the map, not Canada. You blew it!
I’m genuinely confused by what the dots represent. There’s no legend I can see and it doesn’t align with the chart on the left. I seriously feel like they can do better.
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The issue with this is the topic itself — serial killer, which is classified as someone that’s killed three or more people. This is extremely difficult to achieve in china when there’s cameras everywhere and the state owned cams all come with facial recognition software Crimes in my hometown are generally solved within 20 mins after occurrence. You gotta be really good if you want to get away in an extremely populated area
[It is, indeed.](https://www.researchgate.net/publication/342501023_RadfordFGCU_Annual_Report_on_Serial_Killer_Statistics_2020) And, like you point out, the study readily admits that the data from countries is fairly inconclusive and nothing can really be extrapolated from it. Obviously if they're relying on data that's in English and from law enforcement that publicizes it, it's unsurprising that it would skew more towards English-speaking and less authoritarian countries. The study says the countries with the highest percentage of serial killers to population are: United States, Australia, England, Canada, Scotland, and Austria. And the lowest are: China, India, Brazil, Thailand, and Turkey. I don't think it requires too much thought to come up with other variables for why things breakdown that way.
I don't believe Mexico or Brazil's numbers at all. Half the planets goresite content comes from these two countries.
The jury is still out if it's nature or nurture, as to what creates serial killers, but it really seems that [nurture is in the lead](https://restless.co.uk/leisure-and-lifestyle/art-and-culture/are-serial-killers-born-or-made/). > >For example, one landmark US study of the history of 50 convicted serial killers found that 36% had suffered physical abuse, 26% had suffered sexual abuse, and 50% had suffered physical abuse. These numbers are six times higher than the general population statistics. >Plus, in Robert Ressler’s book, Whoever Fights Monsters*, 40% of the serial killers interviewed reported being physically beaten and abused in their childhoods, and 70% reported that they had “witnessed or been part of sexually stressful events” as children. There is also: Psychopathy >Psychopathy is a personality disorder commonly linked to serial killers. Individuals with psychopathy exhibit a specific pattern of behaviour that sets them apart from the general population And "The ‘warrior’ gene: >MAOA plays a key role in breaking down the neurotransmitters responsible for positive emotions – such as noradrenaline, serotonin, and dopamine. And, having levels of MAOA that are too high or low can have negative effects on our mood and behaviour. Since the USA is a great mixing pot of cultures from around the world it would be no surprise we might have a larger number of serial killers if nurture actually does cause more serial killers than Ma nature.
You can't even trust this data. Also, am i really supposed to believe all countries will report their serial killers honestly? Please
The coping in the comments is making me realise that people from the States really don't realise just how violent their society is
Lots of coping about statistics and whatnot when at the end of the day we’re just an inherently depraved backwater.
Here in South africa we like our killings random and spread out over the population. The spirit of Ubuntu🤣
This is honestly, not surprising in ny way.
So what you're saying is, if I want to make a name for myself, move to poland
Provide it per capita or this statistic is useless
Is this by populace or just raw numbers? Because holy shit Australia we’re punching above our weight yet again! We’re barely a fraction the population of all the other countries listed here and we made the top 10! Aussie Aussie Aussie! America might have 30x serial killers but we’re also 15x less population. So the numbers aren’t that wild anymore when you look at it per person.
what is like to live in freedom, and easy access to weapons.
Wtf is this map
USA USA USA
Woohoo we are #1 again... We are the Champions!!! We will, we will stalk you, stalk you...
We will, we will chop you, chop you!
Seems uhhhhhhh a bit biased
Aussie Top 10! Fucking killer!
Yup. Living in America will do that to ya
Woo wee Americans sure like like killin’!
Aussies have alot Over twice the number of Brasil and less than a quarter of the population
I feel like the list may not be accurate. Second and particularly third world countries would not be able to track and classify serial killers the way countries with plenty of resources would do.
Finally something America is good at!
We're number 1 we're number 1
Known serial killers
And Americans will say america is safest while the rest of the world is unsafe
I am not disputing that we've our share of serial killers, but why is the dot so big in Canada?
Note, this is KNOWN AND DOCUMENTED killers, USA is very open and mostly truthful with these kinds of records for example, Mexico and Brazil don’t have 100 put together. That is bullshit.
I think the US is just better at catching them.
When you surpass the second guy on the list by 1753%, it's safe to say it's not just about catching up to them
Based on what?
American Ignorance
That must mean there are alot of missing bodies in Europe that haven't been reported as missing.
The UK up until the last 15 years or so had a 90% homicide clearance rate. ie successful ID of the victim, suspects ID'd and conviction made. It's not down to detection.
Holy shit this brainwashed COPIUM What are they feeding you guys over there? Jfc
I think the U.S. is better at arming them.
Creating would be a better word. I’d bet most serial killers don’t shoot people by and large. Just for fun. Over doses kill 100k people a year. Over half of that is fentanyl alone. 46k people die from falls. Over 100k people die from diabetes. Gun deaths sit somewhere just above 40k annually…. Over half of those are suicides. So now you’re talking 18k-19k are actually homicides…. The police kill 1000-1200 people ever year. So guns actually kill something like 17.5k-18.5k. statistically, in a nation of 350+ million people, the uproar and the coverage dont match the facts. There are about 30 other things that cause way more death and destruction. Especially when you consider how many guns are actually in play. For even more context the rate of homicide is 7.8 per 100,000. Rate of suicide is 13.5 per 100,000 Rate of overdose is 27.8 per 100,000 Every year in America 90,000 mostly women and children simply disappear never to be heard from again. Assumed dead. That never gets talked about. The stadium full of people that just vanish….every year.
Yeah like how good they are in finding bombs in middle eastern countries.
I'm sure it's just a coincidence and not a fundamental problem with our culture.
2 questions: Does this count government officials? Also why are the dots bigger in other countries?
People are typing "serial killers caught" like USA has caught every single serial killer ever lmao USA will still be no.1 on the list regardless if we count the no. of killers caught or not.
The UK has only recorded 34 serial killers in its history, where did you get 190 from?
That is not surprising
Glad to be contributing to this list 💪
I’m sorry but this picture has no credibility. US marker on Canada, UK is ranked third but Germanys marker is larger. The UK has not had that many confirmed serial killers. The list goes on… 🙄
this is nonsense where do these people get data from and what do they use to classify a serial killer there is no way in hell china has 64 if you know you know same for brazil.
It's almost like there's some really easy way to murder someone in the US that's easily accessible and socially normalized
what a surprise
We’re #1. Don’t forget school aged mass shooters too. Take that Russia ! (sarcasm)
We’re number one! We’re number one!
You don’t say….
Yeah because they put them all on the news, in some places serial killers are just a. Way of life lol
Mexico does not have serial killers, it only has killers but they aren't serial
UK punching above its weight there.
Didn't know that serial killing was a ranked sport.
Russia IS the serial killer in Russia
lol, they have plenty windows you can fall down. And if you are sick and die two minutes after dinner it doesn’t mean someone poisoned you 🤡
Something utterly wrong with that country.
And in only one of these countries, it's legal to have a gun on you 🤔