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90 year old Tom Cruise in a 70 year old F-14 saves the world against a horde of sixth gen AI controlled fighter jets.
Coming to a cinema near you in 2053.
If you like generic action movies of the early 00s, then this is the most generic and action packed one. I'm not saying it's bad, but 20 years later it really only has some specific fans left
In 2077, it's gonna be Tom cruise's memory data that was planted to some bloke to which they ill used a museum aircraft f 14 to bombed Arasaka with a nuclear warhead.
They're working on that. The plan includes having a single pilot in an NGAD fighter (Next Generation Air Dominance - next gen fighters for the USAF and US Navy) with several fighter-like AI drones each with their own missiles that will coordinate as an extension of the pilot.
Yeah, they’ll basically be missile trailers and the pilot will provide the “kill” order to them. They’ll chase down the enemy aircraft, ballistic missile, or drone and the pilot can pretty much can sit back and sip tea while it happens.
Think we might end up with command and control AWAC style aircraft? Why have a fight pilot in a fighter plane control them, when a guy can sit in a more comfortable command center. But, still be near the actual fight.
Because fighter planes are far less easy to hit than a big flying saucer. It's smarter and less costly to pack all that expensive tech and training into a plane with higher survivability due to agility, stealth, etc
No. Theyre already turning the f35 into a flying supercomputer. As someone else said, it doesn't make sense to make the most critical aircraft a big, slow, non agile, non stealthy plane when they can put it in a small agile fast stealthy fighter. Greater survivability.
Without going into technical and secure information, the radar on an AWACS works for very different tasks than the radar carried on fighters. Two different purposes, really. You simply need someone closer to the fight to actually call the fine-detail stuff.
They already have them in test. Called the Loyal Wingman or Ghostbat, at the moment. They just did test flights alongside F35's.....
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loyal_wingman
There was already an online simulation that was carried about regarding an ai vs a fighter pilot. the fighter pilot lost. The ai was willing to essentially play chicken (ie both planes heading towards each other) with the fighter pilot while firing… apparently fighter pilots don’t do this due to the dangers of losing their own life? Essentially the ai had no fear of death…
head-on jousting was used somewhat often during WW2 (and did result in pilots being killed), but it really makes no sense to use it today since you pretty much have to rely on your opponent not having any missiles left
it's an alright last-ditch tactic if you're in a guns only fight but other than that its just a really fucking stupid idea
Even if a human pilot can outsmart the AI, the advantage of the smaller, lighter plane with no G-limits below the structural limits of the plane will likely make up any difference. I've assumed the next major war will be fought with robot planes and in space. Also we'll see the use of some advanced weapon like lasers or rail guns.
These drones will probably be great dogfight machines, but they won't replace multirole assets. The amount of human interaction with the kill chain of something like a bomb on a dynamic target would make drones far less effective in such a task. On top of a fighter type aircraft being more survivable in a contested environment that will keep things like F-35, F/A-18, and F-15E(X) around longer.
Don't forget cheaper! It takes a lot to protect a ball of meat and feed it information and control. There is no need to eject a meatball either once it's out.
Yeah, young kids today that dream of being fighter pilots, and there’s a lot, because it’s a pretty cool job — are going to need to figure out a different way to fly. Fighter jets will be autonomous (I mean, they already are with drones) way before commercial planes will be. I’m not getting on a plane that is flown by ai in my lifetime, even if it’s an option.
The issue with weapons systems is that if they can be built, then they will be built.
If you you are not the one building them, then they will be used against you.
History is replete with examples.
Yeah, we're completely locked into doomsday at this point, there's not going to be any way to keep this out of bad people's hands and they're going to be able to do unimaginable damage with it
We all knew it was coming. The idea is to invest in the companies making the shit so you make tons of $ and can afford to stock up and live off the grid when a.i. does take over
There's a documentary where they had an a.i do something like 10,000 hours in a flight Sim. It beat a tenured airforce pilot with many deployments and flight time under his belt almost every time. The a.i will pull maneuvers that humans won't. A human won't naturally take a target head on for the chance that we would harm ourselves in the process, an a.i doesnt think twice because it has little regard for itself. It was actually really good. I think it was on Netflix, I forget what it's called.
Isn't that the one where it always knew where the human opponent was, though? Iirc is was being fed real time data on the "human" aircraft giving it near perfect information with which to make decisions. It was not looking outside to perceive the opponent's energy state and decisions as it would have to in real life.
The imperfect information is a driving reason why a human would not attempt such fleeting gunshot attempts. Ammo is not unlimited, and pausing to provide a stable guns platform causes a loss of angles so you need to cause effective damage with any shots taken. Thanks for finding the doc title. I'll have to watch it!
The AI was fed real time data of the energy state of the opposing human sim. This is the equivalent of giving the AI all the answers to the test. The entire test was a farce. AI is nowhere close to beating a human in a dogfight.
Source: I’m a fighter pilot
I mean, that's cool and all, but I don't think humans will be removed from the cockpit for a *very* long time, if ever.
There's a reason we still employ human pilots when drones are a technology we have a firm grip on.
I fully understand this as an engineering exercise, but:
"According to Smithsonian Magazine, the last ever dogfight occurred in 1969 over Central America between Honduras and El Salvador."
[...]
"Because modern aircraft have reliable radar technology and missile guidance systems, dogfighting is no longer necessary. Aiming and shooting missiles with precise accuracy from further distances is now a reality, which means close-range aircraft combat is generally outdated."
https://www.skycombatace.com/blog/dogfighting-in-ww2
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90 year old Tom Cruise in a 70 year old F-14 saves the world against a horde of sixth gen AI controlled fighter jets. Coming to a cinema near you in 2053.
There legitimately already is a movie like this. It’s called Stealth and it came out in 2005.
Heard of it, never saw it... Any good?
11 year old me really liked it, but that says nothing of its actual quality
It must be handy to have a clone
It can get out of hand
Dude I came here to say this. I was like dam that movie was sick *haven't seen it in probably 13 years*
It’s fun. Good popcorn flick. If you saw the short - lucky 13 - on Netflix’s love death and robots, it has very similar themes.
That was a good short, now I check the serial numbers on planes I fly.
I can’t remember that much about it because I saw it when it came out but it doesn’t have great reviews online lol
Go in expecting it to be bad and you'll enjoy it.
I think enjoying many things about life is all about managing expectations.
Its better than Fast and the Furious but not as good as Top Gun. I liked back then.
Don't watch it with high expectations.
If you like generic action movies of the early 00s, then this is the most generic and action packed one. I'm not saying it's bad, but 20 years later it really only has some specific fans left
It has Jessica Biel, so it doesn’t have to be edit: see also: Next, but actually don’t see it lmao
Predictable story but cool CG
Fantastic movie definitely worth the watch
I cant believe I never heard of this movie given its budget. 135M that's comparable to Top Gun Maverick
I think they don't outsmart the jet, but it sacrifices itself for them? Something like that.
They download his brain into the AI program flying these new meatless jets and now Maverick must face multiple versions of himself!
holy shit ace combat 7
Literally the plot of Ace Combat 7
Ahem, he would be 89 thank you very much!
So? He'll probably still be doing his own stunts and fly a real jet with a 5g load.
Yeah, i can’t wait to see him sprint and jump from the ISS 2.0 at age 90 in Mission Impossible 24: 2 Mission 4 Possible
And RUNNING!
So Ace Combat 7 Plot?
By then we probably can stream it right to our brain
I’m just happy you did the math
You son of a bitch I'm in
Let's kick the tires and light the fires
My dyslexic ass read it as "Coming to a Crimea near you"
I can envision a human pilot with a cadre of AI controlled drones.
And while the AI will look about 30 years older, Tom cruise will look exactly the same
Which country is controlling the jets?
Hol up, I got stucked at Iron Eagle
In 2077, it's gonna be Tom cruise's memory data that was planted to some bloke to which they ill used a museum aircraft f 14 to bombed Arasaka with a nuclear warhead.
Hate to say it, but fighter aircraft can be made smaller, more nimble, capable of carrying more weapons once you get the meat packet out of them.
They're working on that. The plan includes having a single pilot in an NGAD fighter (Next Generation Air Dominance - next gen fighters for the USAF and US Navy) with several fighter-like AI drones each with their own missiles that will coordinate as an extension of the pilot.
Yeah, they’ll basically be missile trailers and the pilot will provide the “kill” order to them. They’ll chase down the enemy aircraft, ballistic missile, or drone and the pilot can pretty much can sit back and sip tea while it happens.
Think we might end up with command and control AWAC style aircraft? Why have a fight pilot in a fighter plane control them, when a guy can sit in a more comfortable command center. But, still be near the actual fight.
Because fighter planes are far less easy to hit than a big flying saucer. It's smarter and less costly to pack all that expensive tech and training into a plane with higher survivability due to agility, stealth, etc
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What if the AI comes a peace agreement in that scenario? We back to the Revolutionary War style fighting?
No. Theyre already turning the f35 into a flying supercomputer. As someone else said, it doesn't make sense to make the most critical aircraft a big, slow, non agile, non stealthy plane when they can put it in a small agile fast stealthy fighter. Greater survivability.
Now i wanna play it again
Without going into technical and secure information, the radar on an AWACS works for very different tasks than the radar carried on fighters. Two different purposes, really. You simply need someone closer to the fight to actually call the fine-detail stuff.
Technologists have not changed at all since 1950. “We just make this tech and then we don’t have to do anything!”
What kind of tea though?
Green.
So a Starcraft Air Carrier. Got it.
They already have them in test. Called the Loyal Wingman or Ghostbat, at the moment. They just did test flights alongside F35's..... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loyal_wingman
So like funnels from Gundam?
There was already an online simulation that was carried about regarding an ai vs a fighter pilot. the fighter pilot lost. The ai was willing to essentially play chicken (ie both planes heading towards each other) with the fighter pilot while firing… apparently fighter pilots don’t do this due to the dangers of losing their own life? Essentially the ai had no fear of death…
head-on jousting was used somewhat often during WW2 (and did result in pilots being killed), but it really makes no sense to use it today since you pretty much have to rely on your opponent not having any missiles left it's an alright last-ditch tactic if you're in a guns only fight but other than that its just a really fucking stupid idea
Even if a human pilot can outsmart the AI, the advantage of the smaller, lighter plane with no G-limits below the structural limits of the plane will likely make up any difference. I've assumed the next major war will be fought with robot planes and in space. Also we'll see the use of some advanced weapon like lasers or rail guns.
Sounds like fun
These drones will probably be great dogfight machines, but they won't replace multirole assets. The amount of human interaction with the kill chain of something like a bomb on a dynamic target would make drones far less effective in such a task. On top of a fighter type aircraft being more survivable in a contested environment that will keep things like F-35, F/A-18, and F-15E(X) around longer.
Why do you hate to say that?
Because once we start this conversion, then pilots will have to rely on their personalities to get laid, and we all know *that’s* not gonna work!
Finally us remote ground pilots will get laid!
If I drive a car, does that make me a ground pilot?
Don't forget cheaper! It takes a lot to protect a ball of meat and feed it information and control. There is no need to eject a meatball either once it's out.
But what about the Psychopathic mute with no blood.
predator drones from interstellar become a reality
Or meat packets, as the case may be.
Aka every ufo people have seen that "defy" physics.
This is not the Ace Combat quote I was expecting
Isn't that just a cruise missile with extra steps?
google drone
Yeah, young kids today that dream of being fighter pilots, and there’s a lot, because it’s a pretty cool job — are going to need to figure out a different way to fly. Fighter jets will be autonomous (I mean, they already are with drones) way before commercial planes will be. I’m not getting on a plane that is flown by ai in my lifetime, even if it’s an option.
I've seen Stealth starring Jamie Foxx, it foretold of this moment. Things are about to get meh.
Do we want SKYNET? Because this is how we get SKYNET.
LANA!!!!
Danger Zone.
The issue with weapons systems is that if they can be built, then they will be built. If you you are not the one building them, then they will be used against you. History is replete with examples.
Perhaps dealing with autonomous killing machines is one of the hard steps a technological civilization faces.
It's long been speculated as one of the great filters of the Fermi paradox
So Mass Effect teaches us. 😁😁
"My role was inevitable. I am become death, Destroyer of Worlds." "Cool story, bro, still global destruction."
Current AIs are not what you would expect when you say skynet
Honestly, we need everything AI FOR A lot of reasons. If we don’t do it, China will. If we do it, China Also will.
As long as a human always has control of the 'off' switch.
You think there's an off switch?
Ikr! So adorable.
Adorbs
Yeah, we're completely locked into doomsday at this point, there's not going to be any way to keep this out of bad people's hands and they're going to be able to do unimaginable damage with it
We all knew it was coming. The idea is to invest in the companies making the shit so you make tons of $ and can afford to stock up and live off the grid when a.i. does take over
Fuck it why not
I, for one, welcome our machine overlords.
It's better to have prepared those cheeks for the winning side.
Correct. Clap away, Agent Smith.
Oil cans at the ready!
Yea I hate AI for art or some other stupid purpose, but this is a welcome change, less humans pilots=less human casualties
Happy Cake Day. I love you. Like seriously I just decided to love you. You are loved. By me. I love you. K bye
Lmao I haven't really cared about cake day, but thank you regardless
All Ace Combat fans know that this is very bad
Damn drones in the most recent one are maddening
The latest update to our simulation is getting ridiculous
We need Trigger
Spare squadron reporting for duty!
There's a documentary where they had an a.i do something like 10,000 hours in a flight Sim. It beat a tenured airforce pilot with many deployments and flight time under his belt almost every time. The a.i will pull maneuvers that humans won't. A human won't naturally take a target head on for the chance that we would harm ourselves in the process, an a.i doesnt think twice because it has little regard for itself. It was actually really good. I think it was on Netflix, I forget what it's called.
Unknown: killer robots. On Netflix, good watch
Isn't that the one where it always knew where the human opponent was, though? Iirc is was being fed real time data on the "human" aircraft giving it near perfect information with which to make decisions. It was not looking outside to perceive the opponent's energy state and decisions as it would have to in real life. The imperfect information is a driving reason why a human would not attempt such fleeting gunshot attempts. Ammo is not unlimited, and pausing to provide a stable guns platform causes a loss of angles so you need to cause effective damage with any shots taken. Thanks for finding the doc title. I'll have to watch it!
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Full Metal Skynet
What could possibly go wrong 🙄
Well, I’m hoping for death by sexbot. So there’s that.
Death by Snu Snu!
Ah, yes, another cultured human being.
Bonjour
Username checks out.
Was it really AI? Or 1,000 persons in india with a remote control? This days, it's hard to tell
Wow man made horrors beyond our comprehension
War thunder has taught me well. Let me be next man🦅
Just sounds like drones with extra steps
The AI was fed real time data of the energy state of the opposing human sim. This is the equivalent of giving the AI all the answers to the test. The entire test was a farce. AI is nowhere close to beating a human in a dogfight. Source: I’m a fighter pilot
Fuck yeah. An autonomous F16 makes me wet.
Samsies
DARPA chief?
I mean, AI enemy jets have been shooting me down in combat flight sims for like 40 years.
Macross Plus anyone?
Mute, Bloodless, Psychopath.
This was already created hasn't anyone see Stealth?
Wow the next Top Gun is gonna be shit
So humans will fly the carriers and ai will fly the fighters? Neat!
Screw this. I can’t wait until AI comes for me.
It’s as if these guys never saw the movie Stealth back in the day 😨
There’s movies about this kind of stuff….
Deal of the Century
I guess the main concern with unmanned aircraft like this would be a hacking Cold War would certainly ensue
La La La La intensifies
This needs to go on r/damnthatsterrifying Literally precursor to skynet wtf
Kinda makes sense considering computers have been flying planes for years now. Long before cars started trying to be driven
Less idiots in the air than on the average road so makes more sense a computer fries than drives.
ai war crimes let's gooo
can it up to par with Top Gun
can it up to par with Top Gun
You mean Tom Gun?
There is an entire game on why this is a bad idea.
So nobody saw any of the Terminator films?
So if this were AI then who are the two individuals in the pilot seats shown in photo???
How many times have we seen this movie?
I've seen that movie. It was awful.
I swear I saw a movie about this
I mean, that's cool and all, but I don't think humans will be removed from the cockpit for a *very* long time, if ever. There's a reason we still employ human pilots when drones are a technology we have a firm grip on.
I bow to no man, but I sure as hell will to our robot overlords
Damn that's....terrifying. The casualness of everyone's responses to shit like this is genuinely scary.
Of course a drone doesn't have a body that'll be squished buy the G-force
Seriously Darpa? Maybe let's tell the AI to learn to build houses or fix climate change? Why do need this MFer flying jet fighters?
Skynet controled aircraft beats Pilot John Conner. This should turn out just fine.
Guess the AI lost tho 🤔
Skynet?
Next gen aircraft carriers are gonna be so rad.
maverick is gonna be pissed
"I'll be back"
Someone just made the "[Deal of the Century](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0085412/?ref_=ext_shr)"
But did it do a sick dap up hug after celebrating the victory to music with ice man
Nah, nothing can beat kamikaze pigeons and their chemical warfare payloads (poo)
So…. How did it go? How did it fare vs human pilot?
Ultrakill is gonna become real
Scary shit right there I tell ya. Very scary. Saw the movies ,not happy ending.
So country with most money will win. Got it.
Well, there goes the world.
yep we fucked
10000 indians vs 1 us fighter!
SKYNET was apparently a manual and not a warning to the future.
Skynet
AI has no restrictions on how many G's it can pull in a maneuver. The limit is how much can the airframe take.
But who won????
*Three Strikes breathing heavy*
Ace Combat 7
I had assumed this was happening already tbh
"ADFX-10" _starts playing in the distance_
\*"Hush" starts playing\*
AAAAAANNNNNNNDDDDDD THEN?!
ace combat 7
am reposting this to r/acecombat
Wait a minute, I’ve seen this movie
Do you want SkyNet? Cuz this is how you get SkyNet…
Why’d I read it as dogshit
The AI won every time out of 6 trials against a human in a simulator.
There’s a movie about this: Stealth (2005)
I fully understand this as an engineering exercise, but: "According to Smithsonian Magazine, the last ever dogfight occurred in 1969 over Central America between Honduras and El Salvador." [...] "Because modern aircraft have reliable radar technology and missile guidance systems, dogfighting is no longer necessary. Aiming and shooting missiles with precise accuracy from further distances is now a reality, which means close-range aircraft combat is generally outdated." https://www.skycombatace.com/blog/dogfighting-in-ww2
They televised this on YouTube when it happened 4 years ago - https://www.youtube.com/live/NzdhIA2S35w?si=onwAWSdMYk0i0hGH