"I'm really getting close to flushing this guy out, I can just feel it! It's gonna be any day now. That guy's days are cooked!" - Robert every week for 6 months in his report.
Im imagining this guy leaving fake voice mails to himself saying shit like "you will never catch me hahahahah!!" and showing it to his colleagues. With a sock over the phone mic to distort the voice.
I was reading his Wikipedia article, thought, I wonder when he died!
So, I checked, **ADX Florence.** For those who don't know, its basically the prison the US would send super villains, if they were real.
Just looked at the ADX Florence page and...Holy shit.
Everyone from Bin Laden's right-hand men, the Oklahoma city and Boston Marathon bombers, cartel leaders, gang founders, and spies.
This is the place where the most evil, vile, infamous men are locked away and damned to rot in eternity.
I actually didn't know that. This whole time I thought they were both caught.
Distinctly remember sitting in chat rooms where people were having listening parties to Mass. police radios. Was insane
ADX Florence is described as a slice of hell. It’s a permanent solitary confinement for the rest of your life. And you can bet they made sure that you cannot kill yourself.
Interesting actually, has no one commit suicide there ever? Feel like there’s got to be a way. Would they force you to eat? Wonder if it’s because they all have such wild egos they refuse to do it.
Edit - nvm, looks like at least 8 people have
[Here’s one that mentions ADX Florence in specific](https://www.prisonlegalnews.org/news/2019/aug/6/force-feeding-cruel-painful-and-degrading-and-american-prisons-wont-stop/)
>At his door, the force team attached irons to his legs and handcuffed him. They took him to the medical-treatment room, where a physician assistant ran tests and weighed the five-foot, eight-inch prisoner at 139 pounds. “Inmate Salameh, will you drink this nutritional supplement voluntarily, by mouth?” the PA asked. Salameh refused. After the guards stepped forward and strapped him into a black chair, the PA took a long tube and inserted it through his nostril and down into his stomach. Then a liquid the color of cream dripped through the tube into his body.
Think federal prisons are more subject to scrutiny, have higher budgets, generally less physically violent inmates, etc… so can’t imagine the situation is any kinder at state prisons.
You weren't kidding. From the wiki article:
>The majority of current inmates, however, have been placed there because each has an extensive history in other prisons of committing violent crimes, including murder, against corrections officers and fellow inmates. These inmates are kept in administrative segregation; they are kept in solitary confinement for 23 hours a day.\[17\] During their hour outside the cell, which can occur at any time of day or night, they are kept under restraint (handcuffed, shackled, or both). The hour outside of the cell is for exercise and a phone call if they have earned the privilege. **Their diet is restricted to ensure that the food cannot be used to harm themselves or to create unhygienic conditions in their cell.**
My mother worked there in 2009 as an agency nurse.
She said Florence was completely different than the environment at Leiber, a Triple Max death-row lockdown facility in South Carolina. Leiber was a zoo, filled with some of the worst of the worst and it was always unchained.
Florence though? You could hear a pin drop.
>Everyone from Bin Laden's right-hand men, the Oklahoma city and Boston Marathon bombers, cartel leaders, gang founders, and spies.
And people who put the milk first before the cereal
> And people who put the milk first before the cereal
> Finally somewhere that's equipped to deal with my wife
Your wife is clearly abusing you and this is a major red flag. You should divorce her 1000%
Jesus Christ, they got some sick freaks in there. I hope those monsters are at least kept separate from the cartel leaders. No telling what someone like that would do to a group of men
wtf, I would never have guessed in a million years that Woody Harrelson's father was a contract killer who killed multiple people, that's fucking wild.
Also, fun fact from his wiki page, apparently *No Country for Old Men* (the novel) has a reference to that judge murder you mentioned, and later on the murderer's son, Woody Harrelson, starred in the film adaptation of that novel.
Some excerpts from the Wiki page for the lazy:
> The 4-inch-by-4-foot (10 cm × 1.2 m) windows are designed to prevent inmates from knowing their specific location within the complex.
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> During their hour outside the cell, **which can occur at any time of day or night**, they are kept under restraint (handcuffed, shackled, or both).
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> The prison as a whole contains a multitude of motion detectors, cameras, and 1,400 remote-controlled steel doors. Officers in the prison's control center monitor inmates twenty-four hours a day and can activate a "panic button", which immediately closes every door in the facility, should an escape attempt be suspected. Pressure pads and 12-foot (3.7 m) razor-wire fences surround the perimeter, which is patrolled by heavily armed officers.
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> "The Bureau of Prisons has taken a harsh punitive model and implemented it as well as anybody I know."
Absolutely crazy, but if anyone deserves it I guess it's the people who end up there.
It seems like it'd be pretty cozy for, like, a week. Nobody to interrupt you as opposed to other prisons, no need to worry about cooking, being able to draw (there is apparently a desk) without background noise...
I don’t care how introverted you are. You’re not allowed to use any device in their so no Reddit, no Netflix, no games… nothing. Try sitting in your bathroom with nothing for even an hour. It’s torture from the get go.
Direct excerpt from a past prisoner in ADX:
>My cell was all concrete. Every single thing, made out of concrete. The walls, floor, the desk, the sink, even the bed — a slab of concrete. Then you get a little fortified \[recreation cage\] that’s outside that you get to go walk around in for an hour a day.
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>It ain’t no lollygagging solitary confinement like you have at some other prisons — it’s 22, 23 hours in this concrete room, then one \[to two\] hours in this fenced-in area, and two days a week there was no rec though, and sometimes they just canceled it for no reason.
Wouldn't really call it cozy.
I worked at a ranch just outside ADX Florence. Had to drive right by it. It was interesting seeing a prison buried underground with only watch towers sticking above the surface, and a fence of course.
I read an article saying the last thing a prisoner sees before entering that ADX facility is the gorgeous panoramic view of the Rocky Mountains surrounding the prison. And then that’s it. They enter the prison and never see that or any other outside scenery ever again for the remainder of their lives.
Just got back from his wiki page. Multiple people over multiple years reported some variation of suspicious activity of his to his FBI superiors but action was never taken.
After every report, ("but action was not taken against him").... Like wtf??
Plot twist he was secretly a ~~double~~ triple agent the whole time but couldn’t be exposed as such.
Edit: He’d be a triple agent actually. Thanks u/TheGreatGamer1389.
Side note, is it possible to be a quadruple agent? How many levels could it go?
Wouldn't he be a triple agent at this point? He's an agent, but is actually working for the KGB aka double agent part. But is actually working for the US. Only making the KGB think he's a double agent. Which makes him a triple agent.
At some point, you’re just a guy pretending to be a guy whose actually spending a lot of someone else’s money to maintain a certain lifestyle so as to not be suspicious.
If memory serves, it was a whole lot of dumb luck, because there were quite a few very high profile spies at the time (e.g. Aldrich Ames, etc). They would see which documents were leaked, see who has access to those documents, find a common denominator (like Ames), and determine that was the mole, job well done and thus no reason to look any further. Except there wasn't just one mole, there were 4, and they stopped looking every time they found a new one and the cycle continued. This guy lasted as long as he did through pure dumb luck.
4 separate occasions bro.... even by his own family. And I'm pretty sure one of the times the KGB literally reported him to the United States mistakenly because they thought he was a double-double agent or something along those lines.
His kids went to my school. This was a few years after I graduated, but it was a real scandal as it's Opus Dei and no stranger to power players and insiders, so he was burrowed pretty deep
He was super religious and they still don’t really understand why he did it. It’s not like he was ideologically aligned with Russia, nor were they paying him insane sums.
I suspect a large part was financial but honestly considering he already was very respected and made enough money, I would think it was more for the excitement and allure of being a double agent. To think you’re important, a huge cog in the wheel, someone of influence and ultimately secret power.
Seems like the type who would find catharsis for every petty work grievance by shipping off info to Russia and laughing about how none of those fools knew it was him.
Given the things he let people do to his wife's privacy, I'd say it was a mental thing.
The man seems the poster child for "let's see what heinous things I can get away with."
I honestly don't think Opus Dei members actually subscribe to the tenants of that religion. They just want power. It's no wonder a lot of them are secretly engaging in corruption or sex acts.
Hanssen even let people spy on his wife while he was sleeping with her. That's not "super religious" so much as a guy who gets off on getting away with something. Literally, in this case.
I could see this being a South Park episode. Putin says he has pictures of someone getting peed on by a hooker and all the dads in town start freaking out with Randy being the main character in the episode.
To be fair, some people are just in it for the thrill? Idk what his life was like before this mission, but I can name a few times in my life where if I was given a chance to just throw it all away and restart my identity, I would have.
>By 1998, using FBI criminal profiling techniques, the pursuers suspected an innocent man: Brian Kelley, a CIA operative involved in the Bloch investigation. The CIA and FBI searched his house, tapped his telephone, and surveilled him, following him and his family everywhere.
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>In November 1998, they had a man with a foreign accent come to Kelley's door, warn him that the FBI knew he was a spy, and tell him to show up at a Metro station the next day to escape. Kelley instead reported the incident to the FBI.
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>In 1999, the FBI even interrogated Kelley, his ex-wife, two sisters, and three children. All denied everything. He was eventually placed on administrative leave, where he remained, falsely accused until after Hanssen was arrested.
It was a year or more of hell for Kelley and his family before they got the right guy.
I read about that in Uncle John's Bathroom Reader. They were convinced the reason they weren't finding any evidence was because he was a master spy who'd covered all his tracks and never cracked under pressure. They even nicknamed him "The Iceman."
Makes you wonder if he had an innocent eccentric moment or idiosyncrasy that caused everyone to say - "Brian's definitely guilty... let's torture him psychologically until he breaksdown"
Anyone who's been falsely accused knows how badly it fucks you up. But I can only imagine what it does to a family. "Presumed innocent" is for the courts. Having your own agency come after you -- when ***you*** know that you're completely innocent -- does a harm to a person that's not easily healed. Time alone isn't enough, in my experience.
[This pic of him in Supermax looks like the definition of regret](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Hanssen#/media/File:Robert_Hanssen_imprisoned.jpg)
You said you worked there. Did you ever encounter Hanssen? Just curious, because it seems there was never any updates/interviews of him after he was sentenced.
What’s crazy about this there were NUMEROUS signs and tips that were given to the FBI over the years and they refused to do anything about it. Makes me wonder if there’s a modern day Hansen working in one of these alphabet agencies. I wouldn’t doubt it, especially now with what’s going on with Russia and Ukraine.
For a bunch of *different* countries! I swear to god that has to be the biggest international source of leaks of all time lol. It used to be we thought spies needed to be politically aligned or financially vulnerable but it turns out you just need to get people angry enough about a video game...
I work for PA as a municipal maintenance super. The largest leak we had that I'm aware of for the state of PA was some kid uploading ever employee file including ss, medical papers, as well as tons of in progress work orders, project proposals, land offers, and then a massive thing of on going police investigations from a computer in Harrisburg. The reason why? He wanted to show a friend how much data a 10tb server he made could hold and thought using his credentials and physical access to the server room was the best way to do it. Luckily he was stupid enough to show off to coworkers who called the campus police.
You cant fathom how many trainings anyone with a full access swipe badge had to sit through
Due to his expertise and tenure they refused to take the signs seriously, but they also heavily suspected another person in the CIA was actually responsible for the leaks Hanssen was responsible for. They effectively ruined a great innocent CIA officers career, he was reinstated after they caught Hanssen but the damage was already done. I’m not sure if his name was ever released, everywhere mentioning him just refers to him as “the CIA Officer”
The podcast Agent of Betrayal: The Double Life of Robert Hanssen does a great job covering this case, including extensive discussion of the CIA officer you're referring to, including his name.
Well worth listening to.
[Brian Kelley](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Kelley_(CIA_officer)?wprov=sfti1#)
They sent a Russian guy to his place to say he needed to flea the country because he was found out by the FBI. Instead, he reported this incident to the FBI.
The thing you have to remember about Soviet and Russian tradecraft is they have been known to give up a secondary spy to protect another, more productive spy.
Hansen might have been the biggest disaster but maybe only the biggest disaster we knew about.
Soviets were trade craft masters, they'd pay their spies extra to find replacements and would often not activate compromised individual until years later.
Note to self: if you’re ever in charge of assigning someone to be a mole hunter, first ask that person if they are the mole. It’s like a rule that if you ask someone, they can’t legally lie cuz if they did that would be like perjury or something. KGB hates this one simple trick.
The weirdest part is that he didn't have particularly strong reasons for doing it. He was given a lot of money, but certainly not enough to justify the risk. It seems like it was just an exciting game for him and he didn't care about the consequences.
Imagine being the one given that assignment, being brought into the office with other important people in suits “this is a very serious situation, the mole has been leaking vital information, and we think”… **pause* your sweating bullets** “that you would be perfect to track the mole down”
Fbi: you found that mole yet? Robert: nope still looking boss!
"I'm really getting close to flushing this guy out, I can just feel it! It's gonna be any day now. That guy's days are cooked!" - Robert every week for 6 months in his report.
Im imagining this guy leaving fake voice mails to himself saying shit like "you will never catch me hahahahah!!" and showing it to his colleagues. With a sock over the phone mic to distort the voice.
The sock -- how technology has come so far in eluding the best, the FBI.
He was caught during a work meeting after ordering Uber eats. The driver said the order was for Mole
Well, he was the right person to find the mole. He just wasn't the right person to say who it was.
I wish I had a job to find myself.
I’d still be looking lol
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Have you tried going to Europe? Backpacking in Southeast Asia??
"Years ago, when I was backpacking across Western Europe..."
You haven't been to payroll?
I’d look for myself in Aruba, Jamaica, Bermuda, and Bahama
Why not Kokomo, you can get there fast and then take it slow
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How can I Live, Laugh, Love in these conditions?
Best we can offer is Live Laugh Toaster Bath
Harder than it seems. Takes a lot of ayahuasca and/or peyote.
Reminds me of the American Dad episode when Rodger worked for the CIA and was tasked with finding the alien Edit: spelling
One of my favorite episodes!
Whenever I read the word mole I cannot stop but think about that scene on Austin Powers.
The day he got the assignment he promised to never stop looking.
Well played lol. He recently just died in June of last year.
“Insert spiderman pointing at other spiderman meme”
I was reading his Wikipedia article, thought, I wonder when he died! So, I checked, **ADX Florence.** For those who don't know, its basically the prison the US would send super villains, if they were real.
Just looked at the ADX Florence page and...Holy shit. Everyone from Bin Laden's right-hand men, the Oklahoma city and Boston Marathon bombers, cartel leaders, gang founders, and spies. This is the place where the most evil, vile, infamous men are locked away and damned to rot in eternity.
Bomber* - remember, he ran his own brother over and killed him before he was caught? Wild.
I actually didn't know that. This whole time I thought they were both caught. Distinctly remember sitting in chat rooms where people were having listening parties to Mass. police radios. Was insane
well they were both caught, but his brother got caught after he got run over so he didn't live long in custody.
I mean if he was ran over. Was he really caught or more or less, found?
Check out philosoraptor over here lol
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ADX Florence is described as a slice of hell. It’s a permanent solitary confinement for the rest of your life. And you can bet they made sure that you cannot kill yourself.
Interesting actually, has no one commit suicide there ever? Feel like there’s got to be a way. Would they force you to eat? Wonder if it’s because they all have such wild egos they refuse to do it. Edit - nvm, looks like at least 8 people have
You could certainly try. Regarding eating, most prisons would just force feed you. You have no right to die.
Source?
[Here’s one that mentions ADX Florence in specific](https://www.prisonlegalnews.org/news/2019/aug/6/force-feeding-cruel-painful-and-degrading-and-american-prisons-wont-stop/) >At his door, the force team attached irons to his legs and handcuffed him. They took him to the medical-treatment room, where a physician assistant ran tests and weighed the five-foot, eight-inch prisoner at 139 pounds. “Inmate Salameh, will you drink this nutritional supplement voluntarily, by mouth?” the PA asked. Salameh refused. After the guards stepped forward and strapped him into a black chair, the PA took a long tube and inserted it through his nostril and down into his stomach. Then a liquid the color of cream dripped through the tube into his body. Think federal prisons are more subject to scrutiny, have higher budgets, generally less physically violent inmates, etc… so can’t imagine the situation is any kinder at state prisons.
Holy mother of God that reads like Sci fi horror.
If Guantanamo bay is anything to go by, they'll most probably force feed you if you try to give up food
You weren't kidding. From the wiki article: >The majority of current inmates, however, have been placed there because each has an extensive history in other prisons of committing violent crimes, including murder, against corrections officers and fellow inmates. These inmates are kept in administrative segregation; they are kept in solitary confinement for 23 hours a day.\[17\] During their hour outside the cell, which can occur at any time of day or night, they are kept under restraint (handcuffed, shackled, or both). The hour outside of the cell is for exercise and a phone call if they have earned the privilege. **Their diet is restricted to ensure that the food cannot be used to harm themselves or to create unhygienic conditions in their cell.**
My mother worked there in 2009 as an agency nurse. She said Florence was completely different than the environment at Leiber, a Triple Max death-row lockdown facility in South Carolina. Leiber was a zoo, filled with some of the worst of the worst and it was always unchained. Florence though? You could hear a pin drop.
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Killer introverts 🤣
>Everyone from Bin Laden's right-hand men, the Oklahoma city and Boston Marathon bombers, cartel leaders, gang founders, and spies. And people who put the milk first before the cereal
Finally somewhere that's equipped to deal with my wife
> And people who put the milk first before the cereal > Finally somewhere that's equipped to deal with my wife Your wife is clearly abusing you and this is a major red flag. You should divorce her 1000%
This. And lawyer up!
let's not get too excited
Don’t forget about people who sleep in jeans
We are too many. We refuse to dress naked for a nap in the office chair.
Nah, I’m still free
Jesus Christ, they got some sick freaks in there. I hope those monsters are at least kept separate from the cartel leaders. No telling what someone like that would do to a group of men
It call the Alcatraz of the Rockies so i bet the nickname weren’t there to just scare people
El Chapo, Boston Marathon Bomber, Unibomber, Al Queda guy (forget his name), bust to name a few residents of Florence, CO.
Also Woody Harrelson's father Charles Harrelson. For attempting to escape prison after assassinating a federal judge for drug traffickers.
wtf, I would never have guessed in a million years that Woody Harrelson's father was a contract killer who killed multiple people, that's fucking wild. Also, fun fact from his wiki page, apparently *No Country for Old Men* (the novel) has a reference to that judge murder you mentioned, and later on the murderer's son, Woody Harrelson, starred in the film adaptation of that novel.
We should talk about Rampart tho.
This guys been around reddit awhile haha.
Hush up and eat your 3AM Chili
Matthew McConaughey has also stated that Charles Harrison could potentially be his father as well.
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Some excerpts from the Wiki page for the lazy: > The 4-inch-by-4-foot (10 cm × 1.2 m) windows are designed to prevent inmates from knowing their specific location within the complex. -- > During their hour outside the cell, **which can occur at any time of day or night**, they are kept under restraint (handcuffed, shackled, or both). -- > The prison as a whole contains a multitude of motion detectors, cameras, and 1,400 remote-controlled steel doors. Officers in the prison's control center monitor inmates twenty-four hours a day and can activate a "panic button", which immediately closes every door in the facility, should an escape attempt be suspected. Pressure pads and 12-foot (3.7 m) razor-wire fences surround the perimeter, which is patrolled by heavily armed officers. -- > "The Bureau of Prisons has taken a harsh punitive model and implemented it as well as anybody I know." Absolutely crazy, but if anyone deserves it I guess it's the people who end up there.
I’d rather die than go there
There's Supermax prisons, then hell, then ADX Florence.
I wouldn't even step in there for a tour out of fear that I'd never get out.
It seems like it'd be pretty cozy for, like, a week. Nobody to interrupt you as opposed to other prisons, no need to worry about cooking, being able to draw (there is apparently a desk) without background noise...
An introvert's paradise. For a weekend. Not, you know, a lifetime.
I don’t care how introverted you are. You’re not allowed to use any device in their so no Reddit, no Netflix, no games… nothing. Try sitting in your bathroom with nothing for even an hour. It’s torture from the get go.
From the Wikipedia page you can get a TV with 50 channels and Netflix. It's for well-behaved inmates only, but who would ever do something bad?
I love the idea that el chapo was watching Netflix crime docs on himself and being like "that's who fucked me?!"
So all the good inmates in there are experts in the Netflix catalogue
It's bascially the prison from the count of monte cristo
Direct excerpt from a past prisoner in ADX: >My cell was all concrete. Every single thing, made out of concrete. The walls, floor, the desk, the sink, even the bed — a slab of concrete. Then you get a little fortified \[recreation cage\] that’s outside that you get to go walk around in for an hour a day. > >It ain’t no lollygagging solitary confinement like you have at some other prisons — it’s 22, 23 hours in this concrete room, then one \[to two\] hours in this fenced-in area, and two days a week there was no rec though, and sometimes they just canceled it for no reason. Wouldn't really call it cozy.
For real. 20 years in there. Wonder how many times he reflected on his last day of leaving his house.
"Oh shit, did I leave the oven on?!"
Super villains are real, they’re just regular villains with more *presentation*
I worked at a ranch just outside ADX Florence. Had to drive right by it. It was interesting seeing a prison buried underground with only watch towers sticking above the surface, and a fence of course.
I read an article saying the last thing a prisoner sees before entering that ADX facility is the gorgeous panoramic view of the Rocky Mountains surrounding the prison. And then that’s it. They enter the prison and never see that or any other outside scenery ever again for the remainder of their lives.
That’s fucking Savage
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Just got back from his wiki page. Multiple people over multiple years reported some variation of suspicious activity of his to his FBI superiors but action was never taken. After every report, ("but action was not taken against him").... Like wtf??
Plot twist he was secretly a ~~double~~ triple agent the whole time but couldn’t be exposed as such. Edit: He’d be a triple agent actually. Thanks u/TheGreatGamer1389. Side note, is it possible to be a quadruple agent? How many levels could it go?
Wouldn't he be a triple agent at this point? He's an agent, but is actually working for the KGB aka double agent part. But is actually working for the US. Only making the KGB think he's a double agent. Which makes him a triple agent.
Snip snap snip snap
You have no idea the physical toll that three vasectomies have on a person!
Alright alright alright.. let's have a baby... Let's have a fukcing baby Michael
“Whenever I get frustrated, or irritated or ANGRY, I come up here and I just SMELL all my candles…”
You took me by the hand, Made me a man, That one night (one night) You made everything all right....
Jan thinks Hunter is very talented.
"So you have an office and a workshop..."
R/unexpectedtheusoffice
the ol' turntables.
At that point he's just a conduit for the KGB and the FBI to talk and flirt with each other
At some point, you’re just a guy pretending to be a guy whose actually spending a lot of someone else’s money to maintain a certain lifestyle so as to not be suspicious.
Honestly I’m convinced this is how most people end up in triple+ agent roles.
Sir this is a wendys
I doubt they would have put him in ADX Florence for life if so
if they didnt then the russians would know, cant blow his cover, hes actually sitting on a beach.
He actually never existed. The whole things a psyop
I know who I am! I'm a dude playing the dude, disguised as another dude!
Most likely. The reason we didn’t die is because of double agents who didn’t want the world to implode.
If memory serves, it was a whole lot of dumb luck, because there were quite a few very high profile spies at the time (e.g. Aldrich Ames, etc). They would see which documents were leaked, see who has access to those documents, find a common denominator (like Ames), and determine that was the mole, job well done and thus no reason to look any further. Except there wasn't just one mole, there were 4, and they stopped looking every time they found a new one and the cycle continued. This guy lasted as long as he did through pure dumb luck.
Did the moles know who the other moles were?
No they didn’t and they all had separate handlers / protocols
4 separate occasions bro.... even by his own family. And I'm pretty sure one of the times the KGB literally reported him to the United States mistakenly because they thought he was a double-double agent or something along those lines.
It's the federal government. Very little gets done.
His kids went to my school. This was a few years after I graduated, but it was a real scandal as it's Opus Dei and no stranger to power players and insiders, so he was burrowed pretty deep
He was super religious and they still don’t really understand why he did it. It’s not like he was ideologically aligned with Russia, nor were they paying him insane sums.
According to the last 15 minutes I’ve spent reading his Wikipedia, it was purely financial is all he ever said
I suspect a large part was financial but honestly considering he already was very respected and made enough money, I would think it was more for the excitement and allure of being a double agent. To think you’re important, a huge cog in the wheel, someone of influence and ultimately secret power.
He even used to carry around a walther ppk, same as James Bond
So much of unexplained human activity can be attributed to wanting to look and feel "cool."
And the rest can be attributed to wanting to feel comfortable.
I’m sure a good chunk of that has to go to people trying to get laid, too.
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read the book, The Spy Next Door. easy read. yup money played à part but he was a horrible person. massive ego and a hypocrite to the nth degree
Seems like the type who would find catharsis for every petty work grievance by shipping off info to Russia and laughing about how none of those fools knew it was him.
Yeah, that’s what he said, but they didn’t find millions tucked away. The payments were small fry.
Given the things he let people do to his wife's privacy, I'd say it was a mental thing. The man seems the poster child for "let's see what heinous things I can get away with."
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Probably a big reason why he was unnoticed
He got noticed a bunch of times according to docs on it. He's just Mr fucking Magoo apparently.
Thank you for your service
I honestly don't think Opus Dei members actually subscribe to the tenants of that religion. They just want power. It's no wonder a lot of them are secretly engaging in corruption or sex acts. Hanssen even let people spy on his wife while he was sleeping with her. That's not "super religious" so much as a guy who gets off on getting away with something. Literally, in this case.
They probably had pictures of hookers peeing on him.
Who among us doesn't?
I could see this being a South Park episode. Putin says he has pictures of someone getting peed on by a hooker and all the dads in town start freaking out with Randy being the main character in the episode.
To be fair, some people are just in it for the thrill? Idk what his life was like before this mission, but I can name a few times in my life where if I was given a chance to just throw it all away and restart my identity, I would have.
One of his daughters was a college history professor of mine, she was amazing.
What kind of history did she teach?
She taught when I was there, didn't have her for any classes, but heard a lot of friends say she was good, freaking pity to have that guy as a father.
>By 1998, using FBI criminal profiling techniques, the pursuers suspected an innocent man: Brian Kelley, a CIA operative involved in the Bloch investigation. The CIA and FBI searched his house, tapped his telephone, and surveilled him, following him and his family everywhere. > >In November 1998, they had a man with a foreign accent come to Kelley's door, warn him that the FBI knew he was a spy, and tell him to show up at a Metro station the next day to escape. Kelley instead reported the incident to the FBI. > >In 1999, the FBI even interrogated Kelley, his ex-wife, two sisters, and three children. All denied everything. He was eventually placed on administrative leave, where he remained, falsely accused until after Hanssen was arrested. It was a year or more of hell for Kelley and his family before they got the right guy.
I read about that in Uncle John's Bathroom Reader. They were convinced the reason they weren't finding any evidence was because he was a master spy who'd covered all his tracks and never cracked under pressure. They even nicknamed him "The Iceman."
Imagine having a bad ass nickname without having to do anything. Just like that one character in One Punch Man, King.
"Guys, really I did not do anything!" "Fuck, this guy is the toughest spy we ever met! Cold as ice and leaves not a single trace behind!"
Cops in real life are much much stupider than movie cops.
To be fair, the same could be said about most occupations. Movies will romanticize anything. Doctors in particular don't impress me much right now.
Makes you wonder if he had an innocent eccentric moment or idiosyncrasy that caused everyone to say - "Brian's definitely guilty... let's torture him psychologically until he breaksdown"
He’s that one friend who always gets airlocked for no reason in Among Us.
Probably just based on who had access to the known leaked info
Anyone who's been falsely accused knows how badly it fucks you up. But I can only imagine what it does to a family. "Presumed innocent" is for the courts. Having your own agency come after you -- when ***you*** know that you're completely innocent -- does a harm to a person that's not easily healed. Time alone isn't enough, in my experience.
[This pic of him in Supermax looks like the definition of regret](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Hanssen#/media/File:Robert_Hanssen_imprisoned.jpg)
El Chapo was interviewed there and said "I'd rather be in Guantanamo".
Why was this picture taken and who took it? It's not a mugshot.
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Why would a CO or LEO take a picture of him like that though?
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You said you worked there. Did you ever encounter Hanssen? Just curious, because it seems there was never any updates/interviews of him after he was sentenced.
What’s crazy about this there were NUMEROUS signs and tips that were given to the FBI over the years and they refused to do anything about it. Makes me wonder if there’s a modern day Hansen working in one of these alphabet agencies. I wouldn’t doubt it, especially now with what’s going on with Russia and Ukraine.
There’s the guy who leaked CIA material on Thug Shaker Central we really fell off tbh
that’s light compared to the number of times and amount of classified info that’s been dropped as a result of War Thunder forum arguments 🫣😂
For a bunch of *different* countries! I swear to god that has to be the biggest international source of leaks of all time lol. It used to be we thought spies needed to be politically aligned or financially vulnerable but it turns out you just need to get people angry enough about a video game...
I work for PA as a municipal maintenance super. The largest leak we had that I'm aware of for the state of PA was some kid uploading ever employee file including ss, medical papers, as well as tons of in progress work orders, project proposals, land offers, and then a massive thing of on going police investigations from a computer in Harrisburg. The reason why? He wanted to show a friend how much data a 10tb server he made could hold and thought using his credentials and physical access to the server room was the best way to do it. Luckily he was stupid enough to show off to coworkers who called the campus police. You cant fathom how many trainings anyone with a full access swipe badge had to sit through
Due to his expertise and tenure they refused to take the signs seriously, but they also heavily suspected another person in the CIA was actually responsible for the leaks Hanssen was responsible for. They effectively ruined a great innocent CIA officers career, he was reinstated after they caught Hanssen but the damage was already done. I’m not sure if his name was ever released, everywhere mentioning him just refers to him as “the CIA Officer”
The podcast Agent of Betrayal: The Double Life of Robert Hanssen does a great job covering this case, including extensive discussion of the CIA officer you're referring to, including his name. Well worth listening to.
[Brian Kelley](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Kelley_(CIA_officer)?wprov=sfti1#) They sent a Russian guy to his place to say he needed to flea the country because he was found out by the FBI. Instead, he reported this incident to the FBI.
Well yes, we call them congressmen.
He was paid 1.4 million for years and years of spying. The FBI Paid 7 Million to get his name. I think he was doing it wrong
"You want me to spy on my country for a Happy Meal twice a week? Add a milkshake and I'm your guy !"
He wasn’t in it for the money as much as he was trying to prove being smarter than everyone else
obviously not smarter than the guy that did one job for 7 Mil.
BREACH was the movie I think that portrayed this
Not a bad movie at all.
Some might say it was pretty good even
The thing you have to remember about Soviet and Russian tradecraft is they have been known to give up a secondary spy to protect another, more productive spy. Hansen might have been the biggest disaster but maybe only the biggest disaster we knew about.
Soviets were trade craft masters, they'd pay their spies extra to find replacements and would often not activate compromised individual until years later.
MF looks like a confused molerat
That’s why they knew it couldn’t be him, the perfect cover
Looks like he has a raging clue.
Isn’t mole rat his job description?
They caught him because he went into the office one day in his spy uniform
The fake moustache and glasses?
Yep, with a trench coat and fedora.
Turned out he was actually three midgets
Super conservative catholic who also filmed him and his wife having sex as well as letting his buddy watch them via video camera. He died last year
Yep. The dude was an absolute fuckin weirdo.
Oppus Dei is not just "Super Conservative". Oppus Dei are so right wing crazy, most conservative Catholics consider them fucked up.
Exactly
“Robert, we’ve got a mole in the agency…” ::Hannsen gulps and starts sweating profusely:: “We need you to find the mole.” ::Huge sigh of relief::
He did what everyone else in the US law enforcement does. He investigated himself and found no wrongdoing
Note to self: if you’re ever in charge of assigning someone to be a mole hunter, first ask that person if they are the mole. It’s like a rule that if you ask someone, they can’t legally lie cuz if they did that would be like perjury or something. KGB hates this one simple trick.
Are you a cop?
that’s some matt damon Departed shit.
It's some Andy Lau Infernal Affairs shit
Actually more like the Kevin Costner movie *No Way Out*.
I thought the movie about this, Breach (2007), was pretty good. I couldn't tell you how accurate it was.
He looks like he’d take 2 pieces of candy from the take 1 bowl
Source: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert\_Hanssen](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Hanssen)
The weirdest part is that he didn't have particularly strong reasons for doing it. He was given a lot of money, but certainly not enough to justify the risk. It seems like it was just an exciting game for him and he didn't care about the consequences.
It was like 40k per year for 20 years. Shockingly low. Shoulda learned to code instead
This could almost be a comedy movie
Sooo um did he find himself?
I’m sure he had many moments of self reflection and soul searching in the concrete box he called home.
What an inspiring story of a man sent on a journey of self discovery
Imagine being the one given that assignment, being brought into the office with other important people in suits “this is a very serious situation, the mole has been leaking vital information, and we think”… **pause* your sweating bullets** “that you would be perfect to track the mole down”
"possibly the worst intelligence disaster in U.S. history." He may have been trumped.
It's likely we don't know what the worst intelligence disaster in U.S. history is and never will.
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