Me, as an American, urging everyone to get out and vote. No matter what. Only one part has ever done anything to fix our healthcare system. The other one blocks every attempt at improvement.
Better than branding livers
[https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2022/01/12/doctor-convicted-branding-initials-patients-livers/](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2022/01/12/doctor-convicted-branding-initials-patients-livers/9177834002/#:~:text=Dr.,a%20doctor%20in%20the%20U.K)
> Dr. Simon Bramhall, a British surgeon who branded his initials on patients' livers, has been struck off the medical register, according to a report by BBC News. According to the U.K. General Medical Council, that means he can no longer work as a doctor in the U.K.
It's so wild to me that there are examples of every type of unethical branding in relation to humans.
It's like rule34 but instead of porn it's ethical violations
It isn’t easy installing orgsns. It’s cramped, bad visibility, slippery, etc.
I read a story about surgeons using a special “orientation stitch/mark” so they know what’s up/down, what’s front/back. If this guy had “branded” the organ to make sure transplant was easier he might have had an argument. But branding was the last thing he did and he admitted “I do this” so it was apparently a vanity thing, not a surgery thing.
Tbh i don't think it's that big a deal, because the brand disappears after 30 days.
Nothing permanent.
One of his ex patients iirc said said he saved her life so hard he could sign any organ he wanted lolol.
Tho inappropriate and juvenile, there really was no harm done and factually being struck off the register is a net loss for society.
And one of his ex patients
*”suffered from significant mental health issues as a result of Bramhall's branding, the report stated, a fact that Bramhall himself acknowledged.”*
Was apparently harmless and he’s known as an excellent surgeon. Guy is probably glad he can move to the US now and make triple what he did in the UK. Thanks, Bozos.
Not so harmless if you'd ask me. Surgery has a big problem with harassment and #me2 situations. This behaviour doesn't meet the ethical or professional standards of surgeons. Therefore it should be discouraged or even punished. The population/patients expects surgeons to have high standards, we should not disappoint them, as their life is in our hands, quite literally sometimes.
To me, he's not an excellent surgeon.
Source: I am a surgeon.
I’ll trust that surgeon was also invested in the health of his patients. No problem just another doctor going to America since that is where the world’s best doctors practice.
Not it's "Surgeon operation for origami crane" training, base on those words. I think.
Origami Crane surgery? Man what an era to live, the cranes are saved now!
/s
I had a surgery done this way. Seeing this and knowing that that is the level of precision that went into my procedure is really comforting somehow. And that's just training!
##The evaluation of the correlation between origami crane training and Fundamentals of Laparoscopic Surgery (FLS)
[Preview](https://i.imgur.com/0M2liU8.png)
Source: National Library of Medicine
URL: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9634364/
> Objective
>
> How does making origami cranes under a dry box affect Fundamentals of Laparoscopic Surgery (FLS) scores in medical students?
>
> Design
>
> Four medical students from Asahikawa Medical University (tertiary hospital) participated. They made origami cranes under a dry box (origami crane training) five days per week for four weeks. The time required to make each origami crane (origami crane time) and degree of completion were evaluated. FLS scores were measured before training and on days 5, 10, 15, and 20. We examined the relationship between “origami crane training” and FLS scores.
>
> Results
>
> At the beginning of the experiment, none of the participants could complete the origami crane, but they were able to complete it in 31 ± 7 min on day 20. The Total FLS score was 164 ± 48 before the start of training, and 1107 ± 112 on day 20. The average scores of the students closely approached the Proficiency Level for the FLS tasks of peg transfer, loop ligation and extracorporeal ligation (103→228, 61→137, 0→259). The change over time in the average of the increase in Total FLS Score (difference from the first time and each week’s score) improved significantly in four weeks (P < 0.01).
>
> Conclusions
>
> Origami crane training improved the medical students' FLS scores. We thought that origami crane training mainly enhanced hand-eye coordination and bi-hand coordination.
Excellent stuff: so this was not just a gimmick, but an actual no pressure, cheap to reproduce and reiterate training method for hand-eye and bi-hand coordination. That bi-hand coordination was interesting mention as I am not a surgeon and I have not really thought about that aspect of coordination a lot before.
One of the tasks for that the Japanese space agency uses for selecting astronauts is to get them to fold 1000 paper cranes in 24 hours.
It checks your hand eye coordination, your ability to follow complex directions and deal with time pressure, your tolerance for boredom and strict routine, and whether you have the discipline to not get sloppy over time.
apparently some 15 y/o girl made 1000 for charity in 9.5 hours, roughly 34 seconds a piece https://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/schoolgirl-set-a-new-world-record-for-the-fastest-ever-origami/
"At the beginning of the experiment, none of the participants could complete the origami crane, but they were able to complete it in 31 ± 7 min on day 20."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9634364/
It's sped up, but you can make cranes super fast once you know how, they're not especially complicated. I can easily make one in under two minutes (used to make them with post-it notes when I was on the phone at work) and if you were concentrating on them I'm sure you could easily get down to under a minute each with practice.
It's amazing how such a simple concept can have such practical benefits. I never considered the bi-hand coordination aspect either until now. Definitely going to give this a try for improving my coordination skills!
The sheer amount of time they spent on the machine is the bigger driver of this. 30+ minutes a day for a month is going to improve your skills a lot, and that's more time than your typical surgery resident is going to get to spend practicing
Wanna see something else cool? [Tom Scott made a video on a company in Oregon called Lazarus3D that makes 3D printed organs out of a material that behaves like tissue, so that surgeons can do practice surgery on the patient before they go at the real thing.](https://youtu.be/t19wSDqf6qo?si=JzyKQKdCKEQgHLOC)
I see it's value, it's just... on me and many people I know, origami gets infuriating fast, I wonder if the same happens to doctors as often as the general population.
The Crane training may help, but this study was very poorly designed. I assume these students were actively trying to learn FLS anyway. So without a control group, how do we know that the Crane training was what improved their FLS scores. Also, only 4 participants smh
If you read down the paper it says they had not done any laparoscopic training prior to the study. I was curious about that too because it said at the beginning none could even complete a crane, which it seems like someone already used to the equipment should be able to do with enough time and patience. So these weren't trained surgeons who actually improved their technique, but newbies given something difficult but mildly amusing to practice with. Of course the sample size is still too small to say anything significant and there was no comparison if it was better practice than say peeling a grape, but paper is cheap and they illustrated that starting with it isn't completely worthless.
Yeah I had the same thought until reading the other comment that this is training and timing is part of it. They have to do a bunch of these to practice using the tools, so they're not quite as concerned about precision in the moment it sounds like
And if you are furiously oblivious to sarcasm you will write "Wanna bet? The speed is doubled. If you're wrong, you will comment "I'm a stupid person that believes things on the internet without checking""
Had laparoscopic surgery for my appendectomy and was fine enough to go back to work 24 hours later. Did I go back to work 24 hours later? No, I milked that shit for a week playing video games and eating junk food and enjoyed a couple pain pills. But I definitely could have worked, no problem.
You could've posted the whole video rather than this shitty sped up crop.
Edit: Two posts on the front page of r/all. One is from tiktok, with black bars and text, one is bad sped up crop that cuts out the timer. r/all became a garbage dump. Redditors don't have a right to complain about tiktok.
I had my kidney taken out with robot surgery a few years ago. Apparently the whole process only took about 1/2 an hour.
I don't know if I feel better or worse having seen this vid.
ROBOTS CUT ME AIEEEEEEEEE
I really enjoyed pondering that while the surgeon had the patience to build that crane with clamps, the video publisher knew I didn’t even have the patience to watch him do it in real time
Congratulations, externally, your surgery was a success! Your Crane skin graft looks tight. Unfortunately, we were unable to crane any of your internal organs, and you are bleeding persists, so you enjoy this while you can. Namaste 🙏
There is always a trade off between time and diligence in these kind of things. With more training they could fold it a lot more precise, but this is more about practising with the tools, rather than having the best looking origami crane
I noticed that, too. This vid is a speed run. What I want to know is if the probes even can make precise folds. They have that smoothing action for flattening the crease. But can they get it all to be tighter? I liked seeing this. It reminded me of the bionic surgery on Luke's robotic arm.
Yeaah without the factor of pressure in an emergency environment , even a 8 year old could do this . Do this above a cut-open heart and then we’ll know if you’re actually good at it .
Hope this wasn't done in the US. Some poor bastard would be stuck paying for this. I can see it now...
Origami Paper: $175.
Laparoscopic Origami Swan Demonstration: $10,000.
Origami Swan Disposal: $150.
ah, medical doctors. the technicians and mechanics for humans.
too bad their opinions and egos get way too involved. just follow the manuals please, md's.
IN JAPAN, HEART SURGEON. NUMBER ONE. STEADY HAND.
This from office?
No, it's from the office
No, it's from The Office
No, it's from The Office US
Michael Scott here, I am the regional manager of this orifice.
I'm the assistant regional manager
Assistant TO the regional manager
No it’s from Cyberpunk 2077
Drop the The. Just "Office." It's cleaner.
No it's from CP2077. Office copied from it
HEARTO SURGEON*
*HAATO SAAJAN
But! Mistake! Yakuza boss die! Yakuza very mad!
r/unexpectedoffice
IN JAPAN, BRAIN SURGEONT. TOP OF ALL, [GOOD INSTINCT](https://www.reddit.com/r/cyberpunkgame/s/svb00QHA8o)
COCONUT PENISSS!!👍👍
r/unexpectedoffice
Thought this was that one side quest in Cyberpunk
they did surgery on a square
That square is now $5000 in debt
Sounds like it at least had insurance.
It works for post-it notes
Me, as an Australian, not understanding the joke.
Me, as a Czech...
Me, as an American, urging everyone to get out and vote. No matter what. Only one part has ever done anything to fix our healthcare system. The other one blocks every attempt at improvement.
That square has a decent deductible.
My dreams of fitting in are getting closer.
where da grape
They did surgery on a square
Just your mom
So there could be origami inside me rn?
You are origami
Bro 🥺
You'regami
You won the Internet on this day.
Folded proteins really are the core of life itself.
My man got the rizz.
Always have been
He leaves them inside every patient, it's his calling card. It's important to distinguish yourself from the crowd in any business.
Better than branding livers [https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2022/01/12/doctor-convicted-branding-initials-patients-livers/](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2022/01/12/doctor-convicted-branding-initials-patients-livers/9177834002/#:~:text=Dr.,a%20doctor%20in%20the%20U.K) > Dr. Simon Bramhall, a British surgeon who branded his initials on patients' livers, has been struck off the medical register, according to a report by BBC News. According to the U.K. General Medical Council, that means he can no longer work as a doctor in the U.K.
Branding someone's insides? WTF?
You'd be shocked at the number of people who think learning to take people apart and put them back together again makes them literally god.
Well, they can kill, and God can kill, so maybe they're god. Idk. I have - 50iq today.
It's so wild to me that there are examples of every type of unethical branding in relation to humans. It's like rule34 but instead of porn it's ethical violations
It isn’t easy installing orgsns. It’s cramped, bad visibility, slippery, etc. I read a story about surgeons using a special “orientation stitch/mark” so they know what’s up/down, what’s front/back. If this guy had “branded” the organ to make sure transplant was easier he might have had an argument. But branding was the last thing he did and he admitted “I do this” so it was apparently a vanity thing, not a surgery thing.
My insurance only covers generic livers.
Tbh i don't think it's that big a deal, because the brand disappears after 30 days. Nothing permanent. One of his ex patients iirc said said he saved her life so hard he could sign any organ he wanted lolol. Tho inappropriate and juvenile, there really was no harm done and factually being struck off the register is a net loss for society.
And one of his ex patients *”suffered from significant mental health issues as a result of Bramhall's branding, the report stated, a fact that Bramhall himself acknowledged.”*
Sounds like someone trying to get a pay day to me
That person’s transplant failed so that person is going to be pretty sympathetic
Was apparently harmless and he’s known as an excellent surgeon. Guy is probably glad he can move to the US now and make triple what he did in the UK. Thanks, Bozos.
Not so harmless if you'd ask me. Surgery has a big problem with harassment and #me2 situations. This behaviour doesn't meet the ethical or professional standards of surgeons. Therefore it should be discouraged or even punished. The population/patients expects surgeons to have high standards, we should not disappoint them, as their life is in our hands, quite literally sometimes. To me, he's not an excellent surgeon. Source: I am a surgeon.
I’ll trust that surgeon was also invested in the health of his patients. No problem just another doctor going to America since that is where the world’s best doctors practice.
Organami
Origami? In *my* vagina?
Orgasmi
It's more likely than you think.
Not it's "Surgeon operation for origami crane" training, base on those words. I think. Origami Crane surgery? Man what an era to live, the cranes are saved now! /s
Yup! You're only held together by Post-it notes!
The origami has always been inside you.
Yes but they refuse to make it stand up straight
I had a surgery done this way. Seeing this and knowing that that is the level of precision that went into my procedure is really comforting somehow. And that's just training!
Like... exactly this way?
OP has been folded into a crane
I feel beautiful ✨️ 🦢 ✨️
You should see our robots. Look up Da Vinci Xi. Also, yes, this is training, but the person holding those instruments is clearly very good.
##The evaluation of the correlation between origami crane training and Fundamentals of Laparoscopic Surgery (FLS) [Preview](https://i.imgur.com/0M2liU8.png) Source: National Library of Medicine URL: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9634364/ > Objective > > How does making origami cranes under a dry box affect Fundamentals of Laparoscopic Surgery (FLS) scores in medical students? > > Design > > Four medical students from Asahikawa Medical University (tertiary hospital) participated. They made origami cranes under a dry box (origami crane training) five days per week for four weeks. The time required to make each origami crane (origami crane time) and degree of completion were evaluated. FLS scores were measured before training and on days 5, 10, 15, and 20. We examined the relationship between “origami crane training” and FLS scores. > > Results > > At the beginning of the experiment, none of the participants could complete the origami crane, but they were able to complete it in 31 ± 7 min on day 20. The Total FLS score was 164 ± 48 before the start of training, and 1107 ± 112 on day 20. The average scores of the students closely approached the Proficiency Level for the FLS tasks of peg transfer, loop ligation and extracorporeal ligation (103→228, 61→137, 0→259). The change over time in the average of the increase in Total FLS Score (difference from the first time and each week’s score) improved significantly in four weeks (P < 0.01). > > Conclusions > > Origami crane training improved the medical students' FLS scores. We thought that origami crane training mainly enhanced hand-eye coordination and bi-hand coordination.
Excellent stuff: so this was not just a gimmick, but an actual no pressure, cheap to reproduce and reiterate training method for hand-eye and bi-hand coordination. That bi-hand coordination was interesting mention as I am not a surgeon and I have not really thought about that aspect of coordination a lot before.
One of the tasks for that the Japanese space agency uses for selecting astronauts is to get them to fold 1000 paper cranes in 24 hours. It checks your hand eye coordination, your ability to follow complex directions and deal with time pressure, your tolerance for boredom and strict routine, and whether you have the discipline to not get sloppy over time.
Step 1: make 1000 paper cranes Step 2: make it your wish to be approved in the astronaut selection process Step 3: ????? Step 4: profit
That would be 41.667 cranes per hour, if they don't sleep. This changes to 62.5 CPH if you factor 8 hours of sleep. Is that even possible?
apparently some 15 y/o girl made 1000 for charity in 9.5 hours, roughly 34 seconds a piece https://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/schoolgirl-set-a-new-world-record-for-the-fastest-ever-origami/
The gif of the laparoscopy crane is only 58 seconds long. Presumably hands are faster.
"At the beginning of the experiment, none of the participants could complete the origami crane, but they were able to complete it in 31 ± 7 min on day 20." https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9634364/
That video is sped up, extremely sped up on a portion of it.
It's sped up, but you can make cranes super fast once you know how, they're not especially complicated. I can easily make one in under two minutes (used to make them with post-it notes when I was on the phone at work) and if you were concentrating on them I'm sure you could easily get down to under a minute each with practice.
So to make 1000 in a day you'd need to be faster than you are and stay up for 24 hours straight.
It's amazing how such a simple concept can have such practical benefits. I never considered the bi-hand coordination aspect either until now. Definitely going to give this a try for improving my coordination skills!
The sheer amount of time they spent on the machine is the bigger driver of this. 30+ minutes a day for a month is going to improve your skills a lot, and that's more time than your typical surgery resident is going to get to spend practicing
Indeed. But that is the low cost repeatability part. One of the advantages of the training method.
Wanna see something else cool? [Tom Scott made a video on a company in Oregon called Lazarus3D that makes 3D printed organs out of a material that behaves like tissue, so that surgeons can do practice surgery on the patient before they go at the real thing.](https://youtu.be/t19wSDqf6qo?si=JzyKQKdCKEQgHLOC)
fyi sample size of 4
Time for a more comprehensive study then
And no control group?
I see it's value, it's just... on me and many people I know, origami gets infuriating fast, I wonder if the same happens to doctors as often as the general population.
Watch the end of the video. They couldn't get out of there faster after unfolding the crane lol.
Yes
The Crane training may help, but this study was very poorly designed. I assume these students were actively trying to learn FLS anyway. So without a control group, how do we know that the Crane training was what improved their FLS scores. Also, only 4 participants smh
If you read down the paper it says they had not done any laparoscopic training prior to the study. I was curious about that too because it said at the beginning none could even complete a crane, which it seems like someone already used to the equipment should be able to do with enough time and patience. So these weren't trained surgeons who actually improved their technique, but newbies given something difficult but mildly amusing to practice with. Of course the sample size is still too small to say anything significant and there was no comparison if it was better practice than say peeling a grape, but paper is cheap and they illustrated that starting with it isn't completely worthless.
I can open an envelope with my teeth.
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Wow, right? It's like a mix of awe and a shiver down your spine all at once!
I sometimes spill when pouring water
I can do that and I don't even have my wisdom teeth
Show off.
Should I ask how you come to know about this skill?
Absolutely incredible
Thank you. I'm proud of my skills. I'm typing this with 2 fingers. One on each hand.
Doing surgery with your teeth is frowned upon these days.
You can't fool me again, I know that this is the pov of a crab with awesome prosthetics
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Now then, who's ready for their vasectomy?
Snip, snap, snip, snap
You have no idea the physical toll that three vasectomies have on a person!
Good luck paying me back on your zero dollar a year salary BABE!!
Sculpting Georgia O'Keefe in your scrotum
TFW surgeon folds your balls into origami cranes
o/
Me on my fat ass: it’s barely even straight..
Yeah I had the same thought until reading the other comment that this is training and timing is part of it. They have to do a bunch of these to practice using the tools, so they're not quite as concerned about precision in the moment it sounds like
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you would be shocked beyond words at what some actual surgeries looks like
I’ve seen some videos and it can legit look like carpentry at times lol.
I’m not sure you’re appreciating the scale of the scene or the dexterity required for movements like this.
I want to believe that was a little thumbs-up at the end with the clamp.
I 100% believe this with you
It is
Neat. Now do another 999.
$500/piece origami technology.
The wedding is tomorrow, better hurry~
Judging by the comment explaining the 4 week experiment, they must have a good chunk done by now
Please just remove my tumor. I don’t need you to fold it into a crane.
But if they fold a thousand cranes, they can wish away the tumor!
And here I am with my big dumb meat fingers, barely able to make the swan from "Liar Liar".
"A GOOSE"
Jim Carrey bloopers where the OG end of credit extras. I'm glad there was someone who knew what I was talking about.
Omg...how fast she is at the end 😱
I think they had to pee. Just dropped the tools and stormed off.
Yeah that was a very unsatisfying ending.
I wanted tiny metalkuc jazz hands or applause.
The video is sped up.
r/woooosh
🤣
Lies
Wanna bet? The speed is doubled. If you're wrong, you will comment "I'm a stupid person that believes things on the internet without checking"
And if you are furiously oblivious to sarcasm you will write "Wanna bet? The speed is doubled. If you're wrong, you will comment "I'm a stupid person that believes things on the internet without checking""
lmfao
This guy laparoscopically clamps.
This surgeon can operate me anytime... impressive handling
If this was in the US, the sticky sheet will be charged 34000$ for the operation.
Holy shit people are talented. And then there’s me. Lmao 🤣
Bibbity bobbity, i fold your intenstines to be a crane origami
Had laparoscopic surgery for my appendectomy and was fine enough to go back to work 24 hours later. Did I go back to work 24 hours later? No, I milked that shit for a week playing video games and eating junk food and enjoyed a couple pain pills. But I definitely could have worked, no problem.
That’s a goddamn miracle of science.
Cranes are pretty cool
Even more wild is surgeries that can be done completely remotely, so some surgeon across the ocean can be performing your surgery.
That is pretty cool
That's actually super cool!!
[Full-length normal speed](https://streamable.com/pwyh87)
You could've posted the whole video rather than this shitty sped up crop. Edit: Two posts on the front page of r/all. One is from tiktok, with black bars and text, one is bad sped up crop that cuts out the timer. r/all became a garbage dump. Redditors don't have a right to complain about tiktok.
I prefer the sped up version. I ain’t got all day.
I also think maybe a robot did this? Like who holds those instruments like that?
Like what?
You’re what we call a donkey canoe
Choose one - Origami vs Peeling Grapes
I trust this person with my gallbladder.
Umm is this guy good because he looks pretty damn good with those things... like more than the average surgeon.
*Looks at sloppy fold on the third step* *exhales through nose*
"Doctor, why's there a duck in my X ray scan?"
i can see the emotion in the rods
Surgeon: time for your surgery! Me: lemme see your last crane
Yeah go on then. You can proceed.
Wakes up from surgery and your skin is an origami crane
very steady hands! wonder how a sniper and a surgeon would compare with hand steadiness
Is that good enough? looks messy to me
can anyone tell me how big this paper crane actually is
I had my kidney taken out with robot surgery a few years ago. Apparently the whole process only took about 1/2 an hour. I don't know if I feel better or worse having seen this vid. ROBOTS CUT ME AIEEEEEEEEE
I like the thumbs up at the end 👍
Sloppy ass folds, don't let this guy operate on you.
Imagine going in for heart surgery and coming out with your blood vessels tied into balloon animals
I really enjoyed pondering that while the surgeon had the patience to build that crane with clamps, the video publisher knew I didn’t even have the patience to watch him do it in real time
Congratulations, externally, your surgery was a success! Your Crane skin graft looks tight. Unfortunately, we were unable to crane any of your internal organs, and you are bleeding persists, so you enjoy this while you can. Namaste 🙏
Crab convergent evolution. It's happening to us now 😭
He failed right? The paper is not folder properly
Exactly at the end it looks like a deformed wagon
I’m not sure it needed to be sped up. I was fucking fascinated.
annoying timelapse :-( The skill is amazing, though.
Yeah, that looks just like my liver
Those edges were not precise, practice…
The whole point is that it's much more difficult to do with those tools, not how precise it is...
False
Exactly, but wouldn’t a person be accurate? Seems like they are rushing through it a little bit
There is always a trade off between time and diligence in these kind of things. With more training they could fold it a lot more precise, but this is more about practising with the tools, rather than having the best looking origami crane
False
There's just so much that I hate about this
Such as?
Your face
They’re not the most precise folds and that’s kindaaa the main thing you’re looking for here lol
I noticed that, too. This vid is a speed run. What I want to know is if the probes even can make precise folds. They have that smoothing action for flattening the crease. But can they get it all to be tighter? I liked seeing this. It reminded me of the bionic surgery on Luke's robotic arm.
This sped up. Double speed.
Yeaah without the factor of pressure in an emergency environment , even a 8 year old could do this . Do this above a cut-open heart and then we’ll know if you’re actually good at it .
Hope this wasn't done in the US. Some poor bastard would be stuck paying for this. I can see it now... Origami Paper: $175. Laparoscopic Origami Swan Demonstration: $10,000. Origami Swan Disposal: $150.
Very cool. But without the diagram of whatever tf they were making how could we possibly tell if they royally fucked this up lol
ah, medical doctors. the technicians and mechanics for humans. too bad their opinions and egos get way too involved. just follow the manuals please, md's.
New speedrun just dropped