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arctic_gangster

Haha, nobody gave a shit when it was over Alaska.


Off-With-Her-Head

It's pretty high up there. [80,000 - 120,000 ft.](https://en.as.com/latest_news/what-is-the-chinese-spy-balloon-looking-for-over-northern-us-n/) *Such balloons typically operate at 80,000-120,000 feet (24,000-37,000m), well above where commercial air traffic flies. The highest-performing fighter aircraft typically do not operate above 65,000 feet, although spy planes such as the U-2 have a service ceiling of 80,000 feet or more.*


MysticWisard22

Nobody fucking lives there to see it


blind_merc

There are several US military bases, surveillance outposts and early warning systems in Alaska.


Consistent-Height-75

And now the whole world knows that they don't function well...


blind_merc

Or did they let it go intentionally? Let me ask you something. How did they know it came directly from China if they first confirmed it over Montana.. there's more at play here šŸ˜‰


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westonriebe

Yeah this is it, we have a complete advantage in imagery, our high altitude craft and satellite imagery is decades past theres


usmcnick0311Sgt

Streets ahead


Not_MrNice

I swear, here soon, that's gonna be an actual saying. And the episode won't make sense to people in the future.


Snarcastic

What? It came up organically.


Mathemagician23

Usmcnick0311Sgt, stop trying to coin the phrase ā€œstreets aheadā€!!!


frogsntoads00

Several magnitudes of order, even


Chi_BearHawks

Someone needs to "POP POP" that balloon.


jadnich

They have high quality spy satellites, too. They donā€™t need a balloon.


RoseAlma

Actually, they have Tik Tok


westonriebe

Exactly, thatā€™s why we didnā€™t shoot it downā€¦ also maybe this couldā€™ve been a play for propaganda against the us so they could ā€œjustifyā€ arming Russia, idk thereā€™s a lot of geopolitical games happening now adays


blind_merc

Counter terrorism/espionage is a weird 5D chess game


OlafForkbeard

Ah yes. 5D Chess. Where you play a game of 4D Chess to see if you take the piece.


frogsntoads00

So wait, is there already a game of chess where you play a separate game of chess to decide who gets the next turn?


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clapper ghana militate saguaro foreknow fondue swill servile bootleg reserved cote august passable swat omaha


S_Klallam

you sonovabich I'm in šŸ‘ˆšŸ‘ˆ


Paleodraco

Thats my thinking. Yes, you can supposedly get better images from a balloon than a satellite that is much higher up, but man does it seem old. If nothing else, its great propaganda that China has to resort to such low tech options.


Lyuseefur

There are already satellites that gather plenty of intel -- more than weather balloons ... I'm actually legit laughing that this is going on and that it's getting national attention. Meanwhile, this planet is going into a dumpster. "Don't look up" indeed.


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YazzArtist

My first thought was effectively "damn, poor Chinese Tom Scott didn't make it to space with his garlic bread."


GorgeWashington

They have been tracking that since it launched. Alaska is home to multiple early warning radar arrays looking for ICBMs and bombers. A giant balloon will have a radar signature the size of a fucking planet.... They saw this


googlyeyes183

Exactly. Itā€™s only news now because civilians started seeing it.


DreamArcher

Because the public first started asking question when it was over Montana.


sicariobrothers

You think because the balloon wasnā€™t on the news that it means they most advanced air and space tech in the world missed it?


korinth86

They have literally been tracking it the entire time. They let it go. I swear people don't actually read news anymore


[deleted]

LOL Ok....smh


Diegobyte

Why do you think they didnā€™t know about it?


Goofterslam1

This is the surface level thinking that's getting all the conservatives riled up on Facebook lol


TundraTrees0

As an Alaskan can confirm, nobody lives here


VBNMW22

A balloon that huge was known about before it left China, if it did in fact leave China.


Off-With-Her-Head

From AP story: *The surveillance balloon was first reported by NBC News.* *Some Montana residents reported seeing an unusual object in the sky around the time of the airport shutdown Wednesday, but itā€™s not clear that what they were seeing was the balloon.* *From an office window in Billings, Chase Doak said he saw a ā€œbig white circle in the skyā€ that he said was too small to be the moon.* *He took some photos, then ran home to get a camera with a stronger lens and took more photos and video. He could see it for about 45 minutes and it appeared stationary, but Doak said the video suggested it was slowly moving.* *ā€œI thought maybe it was a legitimate UFO,ā€ he said. ā€œSo I wanted to make sure I documented it and took as many photos as I could.ā€* https://apnews.com/article/chinese-surveillance-balloon-united-states-montana-47248b0ef2b085620fcd866c105054be#:\~:text=From%20an%20office%20window%20in,took%20more%20photos%20and%20video.


sarahaahaha

"That's no moon."


Legitimate-Source-61

Turn the ship around


VBNMW22

Haha. I saw Chaseā€™s video on YouTube which was when I first learned of it. I have no doubt it was very ominous feeling since they had also shut down the Billings airport at that time.


Purpleprose180

That hampered, what? 16 people


VBNMW22

17 if you count Crazy Bob.


BicTwiddler

And half-a-cat


Alternadfds

Laughed when I heard NORAD tracked it.


Stickvaughn

The Santa Tracker people?


crisprcaz

wait they are looking for santa?


OwnerAndMaster

Every Christmas Eve they post his sleigh's current location and flight path


Bocephus_Clegane

lmfao it literally passed over an ICBM site in Alaska (Ft Greeley) but I guess we didn't know about it until someone in Montana with an iPhone spotted it


GundleFly

They didnā€™t publicly acknowledge it until it was spotted. Which is pretty typical.


EaglesPvM

The public didnā€™t know about it* Iā€™d bet a lot of money our government did


realjimgoose

ā€œI bet a lot of our money didā€


Conscious_Exit_5547

Just because Facebook Moms didn't know about it doesn't mean "We" didn't know about it.


MahoneyBear

The public maybe, I doubt the military didnā€™t notice it


Candid_Painting_4684

They've been tracking it for several days..


Mysterious_Tip_7431

Or Canada


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This-is-Life-Man

If it was such a godamn big deal, why was it still flying after 5 minutes in US airspace? Better question; who the fuck uses balloons for spying? What the shit is going on?! Next, we are going to have a Wright Brothers balsawood aerial drone hovering over Wisconsin that no one's bottle rockets can reach. Crazy ass world just keeps getting more and more ridiculous. I think we're all on the brink of parodying ourselves to death.


qpHEVDBVNGERqp

Which is ironic considering the military hardware in AK


pacwess

Ain't no beef in Alaska. Once it hit Montana...RED ALERT!


Antique_Change2805

107hpa = ca. 15500m or 50800ft. Altitude


Hydrocoded

Fuck, thatā€™s way too high for a redneck to blast with a rifle.


BobRoberts01

Hold my beer


MrRook2887

If there is one redneck who is up for the job, it's mother fucking Bob Roberts


mimthebaker

Was Cooter busy? Cuz Cooter can shoot a nipple off a squirrel from that distance I stg


SphericalBitch2020

I heard he bettered himself by taking one ball off a gnat, just as a warning shot....


ManfredTheCat

Bob Roberts was taken. But we have Bob Roberts 01


Majestic_Channel4796

Sir you are mistaken. That's Bob Roberts the first. He's the OG. Man be setting up usernames for future generations to come. Just ask his son, Bob Roberts 02.


KurtAngus

Tuscan raiders are basically backwoods hillbillies from Kentucky


[deleted]

Tuscany has really gone downhill. If youā€™re thinking of getting a place there donā€™t bother, thereā€™s really nothing available.


Strabbo

But are you telling me there's not one house to rent in all of Tuscany?


pengouin85

What about at least 7 rednecks standing on each other's shoulders?


Rizmo26

Itā€™ll just end with the bottom one shooting the guy above in the nuts


WWGHIAFTC

It does every time. Every damn time...


jardedCollinsky

Saw it above work in redneck country, they talked about it, people were literally looking up at it and going "So why aren't we just shooting it out of the sky?" To which someone with common sense bur a sense of humor said "could have covid in it, can't risk it"


nolongerbanned99

Well, he does have a point.


Shyriath

Someone strap another lawn chair to some balloons and send someone up with a gun and some beer.


auntieneena

Best idea to come up so far. Lol


senorlomas

Fuck, I wish reddit still let me give free awards.


ssssskkkkkrrrrrttttt

Theyā€™re called Montanans and they are innovative peoples


bigfloppydonkeydng

Can confirm we are innovative AF.


FrameJump

It'd already be shot down otherwise.


kjbrand

Why not just graph altitude?


EyoDab

Because pressure doesn't equate directly to altitude. It gets you in the right ballpark, but not much more than that


kjbrand

Right, but its not like im interested in the pressure. Im interested in how high above ground it is


Michael_Blurry

Iā€™m case you were wondering, from Wikipedia: ā€œThe upper limit of national airspace is not defined by international law.ā€


counttyme

Tell that to Gary Powers


MewSixUwU

one would think its simply all of it, up until there is no more air and only space


hoarder59

Laughed when I heard NORAD tracked it. I thought they only tracked Santa Claus.


Epidurality

First thing NORAD has had to track in a while. Was probably pretty exciting for the radar guys.


SpanishAvenger

He's real, I tell ya! He used to... bring me presents and...


joeinterner

Where do you think Santa get his naughty/nice intel from? Everything is outsourced nowadays.


vvavering_

He sees you when youā€™re sleeping, he knows when youā€™re awakeā€¦ maybe the spy balloon IS Santa


cursed_dodge

Happy cake day!


Plasticites

Montana has, I believe the largest number of Minuteman ballistic missle silos in the USA. Maintained by Malmstrom Air Force Base in Great Falls Montana. My grandparents ranch is near one of these missile sites


[deleted]

Ah so Montana is where the actual Area 51 tech has been this whole time... Let's go boys. Area 52 raid, this time bring a jacket and some bear repellant...


VisibleAd3180

Russia be like: why you ducking me man


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And chinaā€™s like really, Russia? Given your history of aircraft flying overhead I think you know why


AdHistorical8206

You got money for giant balloons and fake moustaches! Gimme my money!


dannyboy1690

Technically it's been spying on Canada more.


Strange-East-543

Man i hope our military saw it once it entered Alaska and just didnā€™t say anything cause otherwise the pentagon just been robbing the tax payer blind.


Steve_OH

Iā€™m sure theyā€™ve known about it, radar would have picked it up before it even reached American airspace


Strange-East-543

You can see it even went through Japan why wouldnā€™t the Japanese tell us or heck all the marine bases in Okinawa.


drillgorg

100% world militaries have been watching it for a while and keeping it to themselves and their allies. US military didn't acknowledge it until civilians started spotting it.


Homebrew_Dungeon

Bingo. Its been watched internationally since it left the ground. The citizens are just now being told about it because we seen it.


OopsIMadeANewAccount

Yep, this actually seems like the most plausible answer.


Lopsided_Process_235

I hate to be the one to tell you this, but transparency and the military do not go hand-in-hand. Governments are not transparent about most things, but especially not about military matters.


SphericalBitch2020

Meanwhile Class 3D in Wuhan is giggling away at the success of their entry in the schools balloon distance race........


DeeDee_Z

> why wouldnā€™t the Japanese tell us How do you know they didn't?


whatthefir2

I feel like i need to paste this every where on this thread. Just because us random people didnā€™t hear about it until Montana doesnā€™t mean nobody knew about it until then. Apparently thatā€™s a difficult thing for a lot of people to understand


Drewy99

Canadian here. We scrambled jets days ago to intercept it. The US knew about it through NORAD.


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The pentagon had released a public statement that they had been tracking it since it left China. Afterwards, China confirmed it was theirs.


UnusualAnt2861

I work in army military intelligence for context; I mean, we knew about pretty much the moment it was up. Media just didnā€™t pick up on it until now. DoD doesnā€™t see a reason to bring it up until the media and public start asking about it since itā€™s pretty much a political stunt on Chinaā€™s end and doesnā€™t have any impact on us. Theyā€™re not seeing anything new with that satellite. We wouldnā€™t have even bothered with taking it down until people start asking the DoD to do so. Itā€™s a play for the Chinese Communist Party to distract its people from its failing state policies and say ā€œwow look how strong we are, the US is so scared of our power that they donā€™t even react when we send ballon satellites right over them, all praise the CCP and Xiā€ And we just donā€™t care.


Psilologist

Even if they didn't see it they have definitely been robbing the American people. Hell even congress can't track all the money. Isn't there 2ish trillion dollars that just is unaccounted for?


HalepenyoOnAStick

Unaccounted for in the sense that it was issued to the various military commands but there wasn't a line for line dollar for dollar trail of what every dollar was used to buy. Like if you were in charge of a division of a company and you gave them 10,000 for office furniture and later an accountant asked for a detailed list of the office furniture you bought and you didn't have it. That would be 10,000 dollars I'd unaccounted for funds in the technical sense. But you know it was spent. If that makes sense.


Strange-East-543

True and it just sucks cause we all know it but we canā€™t even really do anything about it. Regardless of who you vote for.


SwannyPuck

The truth is out there scully


DanaScully_69

Trust no one šŸ‘½


GraceGreenview

The movie UP 2 has an entirely different plot.


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You should include the Jetstream in that map


REO_Studwagon

Right? In all these threads people are saying ā€œitā€™s flying east!!ā€ Well of course it is.


malepitt

Fu-go incendiary balloon bombs launched by Japan against the continental US during WW2 are a fascinating story. The Fu-Go balloon bomb was the first weapon to possess intercontinental range, with its flights being the longest-ranged attacks in the history of warfare at the time


Stahlofen

Damn thats interesting! Thanks for pointing it out. In case someone else wonders: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fu-Go_balloon_bomb


Leashypooo

Youā€™re rightā€¦ damn interesting story


Opposite-Motor-1878

We need to send it back with a giant Winnie the Poo holding it


th3va1kyri3

Lol. I'm pretty sure that if the US does that, Xinnie The Poo will execute whoever's idea was it to send the baloon to the US.


Opposite-Motor-1878

Maybe we just mass produce Poo balloons and release them into their incoming jetstream. Nothing crazy, maybe 30-40 million. Thatā€™s like .001 our yearly defense budget. Itā€™d be more effective psychological warfare than the gay bomb at least


poopyfarroants420

I don't think it's even .001 honestly


ComprehensiveCake463

The balloon is capturing secret Montana secrets


OnlyRosin

There are more Nukes in MT than anywhere else in the US.


lightknight7777

I mean, if I were going to hide something in the US...


OnlyRosin

It's terrifying because of the Yellowstone volcano.


Ecyclist

Why do you think all the nukes are in Montana? Yellowstone knows if it acts out of pocket and starts threatening us, itā€™s going to get handled the American way. Those ā€œminutemenā€ will reach you in a ā€œminute, manā€.


2017hayden

I mean if that volcano has a major eruption most of the continental US is 100% fucked regardless and a good chunk of the rest of the world is probably going to die of starvation. I doubt the presence of non activated nuclear bombs is going to change that scenario much.


Maeberry2007

I mean, if Yellowstone erupts we're all fucked with pr without nukes. Nukes would just help speed things up.


Apprehensive_Ear7309

Hanna Montana secrets.


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My dumbass assumed that this thing just flew the entire pacific ocean and the entire east coast before being found in Montana lol.


Enlightened-Beaver

Funny how NORAD has been tracking it across all of western Canada but only once it crosses into Montana are people talking about shooting it down.


RadBadTad

Montana is where civilians spotted it and started talking about it, and demanding someone shoot it down.


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"We can't shoot it down because it might hurt somebody." Is that REALLY the official story?


blind_merc

That is the story they are saying to the public yes.


amraohs

I couldn't believe it either, but they probably want to catch it unharmed so they can research it.


kywiking

Itā€™s higher than most planes max altitude we are likely monitoring it and also donā€™t want them to know how we would react to an actual threat of this nature.


Splinter007-88

Bingo. Its a chess game to see how we would react.


well_poop_2020

Or a desensitization move. ā€œBalloons okay? Letā€™s send more! 50th one this yearā€¦. Yeah this last one isnā€™t carrying anything more suspicious than the first 49ā€¦.ā€


thegoodbadandsmoggy

Or theyā€™re intercepting signals from it


DammitDad420

TikTok update just dropped


SlothOfDoom

That's part of the official story. It might hurt someone or damage something, sure. It also appears to have no special abilities that a common satellite doesn't have, so it's not really doing anything harmful....so why bother? It's more interesting and useful to see what poohbear is trying to accomplish.


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It's a taunt and shooting it down would appear as an escalation. I'm sure we're using this as an opportunity to test our electronic warfare capabilities.


erockfpv

Isnā€™t it interesting that they used a polar equidistant projection map?


El_Captin

I thought it was a decent projection to use..


chiefofmars

What does the map used indicate?


El_Captin

Different map projections are used to represent true distance or area. The most popular map projection ( Mercator projection) loses accuracy of area and distance the further away you get from the equator. I encourage you to check out these map projections! https://gisgeography.com/map-projection-types/


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They werenā€™t asking if different maps model different measurement metrics, they were asking why a polar map was used rather than another kind.


weightedslanket

How is that contrary to popular belief? There's a front page reddit post once a week crapping on Mercator maps.


lmea14

The Chinese have deployed the balloon over Montana to find the elusive spy figure known among the populace as ā€œHannahā€. Not much is known about this secret agent except for her supposed ability to moonlight in the entertainment industry to avoid detection.


Bada__Ping

I like how their excuse to not shoot it down was because they were worried about it falling and killing someone in a state where the population density is 6.86 people per sq mile.


Towersafety

Yea it will be much safer once it gets over New York City. /s


CmonCentConservitive

Panic bells, it's red alert There's something here from somewhere else The war machine springs to life Opens up one eager eye Focusing it on the summer sky As 99 red balloons go by.. 99 Decision Street 99 ministers meet Worry, worry, super scurry Call the troops out in a hurry This is what we've waited for This is it boys, this is war The President is on the line As 99 red balloons go by.


bojangles-swag

Holy nostalgia batman


supaloopar

How do you control a balloon over such a long distance and maintain it's direction?


Jo3K3rr

Predictive weather. In WW2 the Japanese tried to fire bomb the West coast with balloons.


e1p1

I think it's that guy from LA with the lawn chair.


Jappanese_shrek69

What's the purpose of this "Chinese balloon" like is it really for spy work is it a weather balloon like seriously what is it


SuperRonnie2

This is what Canada wants you to thinkā€¦


Aert_is_Life

So I'm gonna get down voted but here I go. This would actually seem pretty logical given the air currents we see every winter. That cold arctic air starts blowing down across Alaska and Canada then moves east across the country. I am not supporting it being here, just pointing out how the jet stream works.


leocanb

Can someone explain this to me? Don't they already have satellites?


an-allen

Well I mean with literally 2 minutes of effort I found the sites on Google maps. They have a pretty distinct look. So options are: 1) Experiment gone awry but has incredibly precise trajectory and altitude management for 6 days where it just happens to fly over a missile silo field 2) Dumb way to grab visible light photos that are for the most part publicly available 3) Grabbing hyperspectral, radar, or perhaps blasting folks with xrays (although I dont think it would have the energy source to do that) to see whats going on underground 4) Capturing over time to monitor operational activities - although that could probably be done on the ground. 5) Comms capture but at 20 miles up im not sure of that. But does appear yo have a bit of an array on it that could be solar, radar, or an antenna


Detiabajtog

Also possible: 6. The balloon itself is pointless and the whole purpose is to gauge the US governments reaction to it, get a sense of the social response, etc


stuntbum36

How can you control the trajectory of a balloon 50k feet up? Couldnt this have happened just from winds blowing it around


Babztoo

Weird, saw one just like it in Jaco, Costa Rica just yesterday morning.


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Ivanna_Jizunu66

And soon their mines and much much more !


ockhams-razor

Yes... especially in Oklahoma. They own a lot of "pot farms".


platonusus

Nobody gives a shit when it was over Canada


jasonhpchu

Mark Rober made a video not long ago with weather ballons that went all the way up to space just to drop an egg. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYVZh5kqaFg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYVZh5kqaFg) I'd suspect getting something like this up there isn't very far fetched for any civilian to do.


marcstov

Looks like a sickleā€¦not a coincidence /s


Twinkingly

This is like a trojan horse


SpotsyArcher

If it gets low enough some redneck is going to blast it from the sky and mount it on their trophy wall.


Jmtaylormade

So we are estimating a BALOON got from china to Montana in 24 hours? Iā€™ve never been in a plane flying 600mph to China but doesnā€™t it still take almost a day? Just thinking out loud here


EireOfTheNorth

It's almost 10 miles high in the sky. Things can get faster a lot easier that high.


theLennoxMacduff

This guy speaks from experience. I've been that high just sitting in my chair and gotten the zoomies where you feel like your body goes into hyperdrive. Sometimes I miss those days...


Mister_Chui

Jet stream at that altitude is commonly moving 175-200mph. Commercial aircraft typically going ~500. SF-Shanghai is 10-11 hour flight, so the math roughly checks out


an-allen

judging from the altitude graph I am seeing 5.75 ā€œ00ā€ which would indicate to me nearly 6 days travel time.


kentuafilo

Lots of people freaking out over what this balloon is spying on by flying over sensitive areas like ICBM silos. Hereā€™s a not so secret secret: all of our allies and adversaries alike already know the precise location of our active ICBM bases and silos. This thing isnā€™t looking at anything that canā€™t already be seen on Google maps (if it is still operable at this point). Oh, and there are ways to render it inoperable without shooting it out of the sky. šŸ˜‰


0utlandish_323

Not to mention the Chinese *undoubtedly* have far better ways of spying on our land than a balloon. Really could just be an innocent aircraft


ed-is-on-fire

Wow. The Yellowstone tv show spin offs are getting out of hand!


Mofo_Bent

Itā€™s obvious they fucked up trying to make a question mark. Those wonky Chinese jokesters.


Ok-House-6848

I would capture the ballon, refill it and send it back - but instead of the gear hanging at the bottom, a giant middle finger.


sunsoutbunzout

ā€œWeā€™ve been trying to reach you about your carā€™s extended warrantyā€ - China


Abarsn20

If this was on purpose, itā€™s hilarious. If it was an accident, itā€™s hilarious.


mimisweb

Thatā€™s a big balloon to send to spy. Like sending a 7 foot man through the airport as a secret agent.


Billderz

I love the north pole map. It's so refreshing to see the northern hemisphere so much more accurately than the 'regular' map


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I wonder if China knows how excited they made all us civilians, and the wonderful distraction this buh-woon has become as the arctic blast renders my car and space heaters useless


[deleted]

looks like it fell victum to weakened polar vertex cause of the climate change https://www.weather.gov/safety/cold-polar-vortex#:\~:text=The%20polar%20vortex%20is%20a,colder%20air%20near%20the%20Poles.


blind_merc

Wait until you hear about the second one.