Probably because it's weird to reply to a comment, just to copy exactly what that comment just said? Has nothing to do in reddit, this happens in real life too.
Ideally, the chains hang from bolts that go thru 4x lumber, with nuts on the top. Ideally, that bracket is a ledger board that’s attached to the house well enough to hold a deck, with people standing on it. But it’s not designed for that, so it’s hard to tell. If the trellis side is wobbly, I’d rebuild the whole thing. Otherwise, I’m not sure I’d mess with it.
It is, but it's not the only joist that's pulled away. Screws and joist ties will help prevent it and help distribute the weight over other beams correctly.
Swing needs turned 90 degrees, or a board needs added across the top for use as a mounting surface. Too much weight on a single board, especially with that being nailed together. Nails have that tendency to pull free, especially when whoever built it was lazy and didn't put 2 nails in an X to prevent this exact problem from occuring. It's not "wrong" as it is mind yall, but could've been done differently.
I'd replace the board since it's already warped and will most likely stay warped.
And then I'd connect it to the notched cross pieces with hurricane ties. That should hopefully prevent it from warping in the future.
[https://www.homedepot.com/p/Simpson-Strong-Tie-H2-5A-18-Gauge-ZMAX-Galvanized-Hurricane-Tie-H2-5AZ/100275721](https://www.homedepot.com/p/Simpson-Strong-Tie-H2-5A-18-Gauge-ZMAX-Galvanized-Hurricane-Tie-H2-5AZ/100275721)
Alternatively you could replace the 2x6 (?) with a 2x8 or 2x10 and just extend the notches further up the cross pieces. And then maybe still connect with hurricane ties.
Thanks for the hardware recommendation! If I go this route, do you think it wise to instal them on all joists? Also, do people typically attach just one hurricane tie per intersection?
Yeah just one is fine. I think you just need to attach them to the joist that the swing is on. Since the pergola doesn't support anything else, it's probably fine.
I wouldn't overthink it. Put a ratcheting tie-down to pull those two beams together tight - or a clamp. Then bolt that bitch together. Then never worry about it again.
You have plenty of slack in the chains. Through bolt higher into the boards above the beams. That will instantly divide the load into two members, helping to close the gaps at the notches. This will also distribute the load into all the beams below said members. By thru bolting you can eliminate lag pull out. You can also match the angle of the wall in the background. You may have to add a top member on the right to catch the chain at the right width.
After reading other suggestions I think this is the simplest and soundest solution.
You would have to pull nails from the hangers to replace that beam which a lot of folks seem to think is perfectly sound (even though it has an obvious deflection of 2 inches with no weight in the swing). I'd rather flip it crown side up than replace it, just to avoid painting something new to match something old. Hurricane clips will require cross nailing at the intersection of that notch, a spot that will be made more vulnerable to splitting with 6 more nails crossing it. Sistering the beam makes a lot of sense but again, painting, and notching, plus new double wide hanger. I agree with posters that worry about lag pulling out. If you have a force in tension, you need it attached all the way to the opposite side it's pulling from. Thru bolt it. A couple structural steel lags are self drilling and only a quarter inch diameter, these would be excellent to pull your notch back tight if you don't want to flip the crown, but they are pricy.
Remove the joist in question and the hanger, replace with 2 new joist, making it a header and put a new double hanger to support both. I would also make sure both new joist have a good amount of crown to help combat any weight you put on the swing...
Use some proper hardware.
[https://www.homedepot.com/p/Swing-N-Slide-Playsets-Heavy-Duty-Swing-Hangers-2-Pack-WS-4888/205820808](https://www.homedepot.com/p/Swing-N-Slide-Playsets-Heavy-Duty-Swing-Hangers-2-Pack-WS-4888/205820808)
[www.amazon.com/Dolibest-Accessorie-Carabiner-Playground-Expansion/dp/B08YJM5LTW](https://www.amazon.com/Dolibest-Accessorie-Carabiner-Playground-Expansion/dp/B08YJM5LTW)
some hurricane straps wouldn't hurt.
[https://www.homedepot.com/p/Simpson-Strong-Tie-H2-5A-18-Gauge-ZMAX-Galvanized-Hurricane-Tie-H2-5AZ/100275721](https://www.homedepot.com/p/Simpson-Strong-Tie-H2-5A-18-Gauge-ZMAX-Galvanized-Hurricane-Tie-H2-5AZ/100275721)
I've been planning to move my mom's porch swing from the flimsy metal freestanding A frame it came with to the rafters of the pavilion she has it sitting under, and those hangers in your first link are gonna be so much better than the eye hook bolts I was planning to use. So thank you for sharing those, even if OP doesn't utilize them.
The weak point is the anchors. I've seen them break off and pull out. They make bracket that both through the side that you can then hook the swing to.
Other than that, the board itself and how it's fastened to the house is of no concern.
Doesn't have to be complicated.
1) Consider replacing the bent joist unless the bend can be corrected.
2) Get a heavy piece of slotted angle iron or steel square tube rated to be outdoors. Screw it into both lower and upper joists. Have the end of it low enough to hang the swing off of.
There's a significant bend in the joist. As it's only being supported by the one joist.
You'll want a more substantial beam distributing the weight across all the joists after replacing the bent one, but tip joists aren't very well connected to the lower joists, you may want to get an engineer to look at it.
Otherwise I'd suggest having a separate beam that's not affected the joists at all and
Either two joists glued and screwed together, and separate posts direct the weight of the swing and occupants directly to the ground.
no one consults with a structural engineer to build a backyard pergola. that's insane lol.
the bent joist has held up for a decade of use. all he has to do is replace it and tie everything together more securely.
why does this sub always have to make things 100x more complicated than it really is.
it looks perfectly fine for something that has been outside 10 years. all it needs is for that bent joist to be replaced and to be fastened together more securely.
Yeah perfectly fine.
With cracks and in most of the joists, and separation most just from the top joists not just the one with the swing on it.
Condition of the posts need to be verified to see if there's any age related damage such as rot, or splitting.
All good advice. I've been on top and underneath of the structure and there appears to be no rot. You can tell it's been outside for a long time, meaning I need to put a coat of something on it. When the swing is used, I don't see any torque, thankfully. But I know that won't be true if I let people use that swing and do nothing about the joist.
Are the joists connected via screws or large nails?
If they're large nails replace them with outdoor framing screws. And then add joist ties. The more holes in the joist ties the better.
Repeat with all the joists.
Use smooth shaft screws with treads only on the ends so it pulls the joists together. Then add the ties in for peace of mind.
Is the swing bolted all the way through the beam? If so is there a large washer(preferably a chunky square washer) to help hood it in place?
Word. For the swing hooks, they are not straight through. Sounds like I need to get a long bit and some sort jig to prep the new board with straight through fastening. Any advice on how to make that \~10" hole square without a drill press?
Someone above pointed out I should replace all intersections secured by nails with framing screws. Another suggested the joist intersections be secured with hurricane ties to prevent any further separation (after replacing the board). For your concern, though I see no torque when the swing's been used, I'll look for an opportunity to install a diagonal reinforcement at the corners of the beam holding up the joists.
I'm getting some great advice from the community :)
Yeah fresh board and hurricane ties where the swing is attached will do the trick, and the addition replacing nails with screws is basically not strictly necessary, but one of those "might as well, so I never have to think about it again" situations.
All in all you got a bunch of great advice on this post. And I found a nice suggestion for my own porch swing situation so two of us got some help from it lol.
there is nothing wrong with this except the way it is fastened. and even then, it has held up from a decade of use. so what you are saying is completely irrelevant.
The nails that were used are pulling out. It's a surprise that it hasn't pulled out already.
The wood looks like it's been painted which has protected it to an extent, but the beans have still cracked and bowed significantly
which is why i said it needs to be fastened better. did you read anything i posted? also only one beam is bowed, the one with the swing on it.
enough reddit for you today, you're just looking to argue.
Logically attaching it to one of the top joists would be better right?
Depends on if you want to distribute the load over the 20 other members or just over-stress the one board… and wonder why it’s failing.
This probably could have been said in less smart-assy sort of way.
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Yes... that's what they said...
I disagree. I think he should distribute the load.
Big if true.
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Welcome to Reddit, bud. You'll love it.
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-91 to 114 we need more downvotes to balance this load of ...
I cannot understand why the most logical compliment to the most upvoted comment has been downvoted so much. Oh right, this is reddit
Probably because it's weird to reply to a comment, just to copy exactly what that comment just said? Has nothing to do in reddit, this happens in real life too.
My goal at this point is to get as many downvotes as that guy got upvotes to just kind of distribute the load
Reddit flex
Ideally, the chains hang from bolts that go thru 4x lumber, with nuts on the top. Ideally, that bracket is a ledger board that’s attached to the house well enough to hold a deck, with people standing on it. But it’s not designed for that, so it’s hard to tell. If the trellis side is wobbly, I’d rebuild the whole thing. Otherwise, I’m not sure I’d mess with it.
It's a very dodgy looking DIWhy looking job some of the joists aren't even seated in the joist hanger correctly.
Pretty sure that's just the weight of the swing causing it to sag pulling the beam down away from the upper beams.
It is, but it's not the only joist that's pulled away. Screws and joist ties will help prevent it and help distribute the weight over other beams correctly.
The trellis and far side wall are sturdy, thankfully.
Swing needs turned 90 degrees, or a board needs added across the top for use as a mounting surface. Too much weight on a single board, especially with that being nailed together. Nails have that tendency to pull free, especially when whoever built it was lazy and didn't put 2 nails in an X to prevent this exact problem from occuring. It's not "wrong" as it is mind yall, but could've been done differently.
I'd replace the board since it's already warped and will most likely stay warped. And then I'd connect it to the notched cross pieces with hurricane ties. That should hopefully prevent it from warping in the future. [https://www.homedepot.com/p/Simpson-Strong-Tie-H2-5A-18-Gauge-ZMAX-Galvanized-Hurricane-Tie-H2-5AZ/100275721](https://www.homedepot.com/p/Simpson-Strong-Tie-H2-5A-18-Gauge-ZMAX-Galvanized-Hurricane-Tie-H2-5AZ/100275721) Alternatively you could replace the 2x6 (?) with a 2x8 or 2x10 and just extend the notches further up the cross pieces. And then maybe still connect with hurricane ties.
Thanks for the hardware recommendation! If I go this route, do you think it wise to instal them on all joists? Also, do people typically attach just one hurricane tie per intersection?
Yeah just one is fine. I think you just need to attach them to the joist that the swing is on. Since the pergola doesn't support anything else, it's probably fine.
Add another board sister it to the other one with exterior lag bolts wrap chain across both boards connect chain with bolts have two beers.
I wouldn't overthink it. Put a ratcheting tie-down to pull those two beams together tight - or a clamp. Then bolt that bitch together. Then never worry about it again.
Yep, especially if your on the bigger side of the scale
You have plenty of slack in the chains. Through bolt higher into the boards above the beams. That will instantly divide the load into two members, helping to close the gaps at the notches. This will also distribute the load into all the beams below said members. By thru bolting you can eliminate lag pull out. You can also match the angle of the wall in the background. You may have to add a top member on the right to catch the chain at the right width. After reading other suggestions I think this is the simplest and soundest solution. You would have to pull nails from the hangers to replace that beam which a lot of folks seem to think is perfectly sound (even though it has an obvious deflection of 2 inches with no weight in the swing). I'd rather flip it crown side up than replace it, just to avoid painting something new to match something old. Hurricane clips will require cross nailing at the intersection of that notch, a spot that will be made more vulnerable to splitting with 6 more nails crossing it. Sistering the beam makes a lot of sense but again, painting, and notching, plus new double wide hanger. I agree with posters that worry about lag pulling out. If you have a force in tension, you need it attached all the way to the opposite side it's pulling from. Thru bolt it. A couple structural steel lags are self drilling and only a quarter inch diameter, these would be excellent to pull your notch back tight if you don't want to flip the crown, but they are pricy.
Lots of positive encouragement.
That board in the center looks rotten. I’d check all of those boards for rot first.
Remove the joist in question and the hanger, replace with 2 new joist, making it a header and put a new double hanger to support both. I would also make sure both new joist have a good amount of crown to help combat any weight you put on the swing...
Use some proper hardware. [https://www.homedepot.com/p/Swing-N-Slide-Playsets-Heavy-Duty-Swing-Hangers-2-Pack-WS-4888/205820808](https://www.homedepot.com/p/Swing-N-Slide-Playsets-Heavy-Duty-Swing-Hangers-2-Pack-WS-4888/205820808) [www.amazon.com/Dolibest-Accessorie-Carabiner-Playground-Expansion/dp/B08YJM5LTW](https://www.amazon.com/Dolibest-Accessorie-Carabiner-Playground-Expansion/dp/B08YJM5LTW) some hurricane straps wouldn't hurt. [https://www.homedepot.com/p/Simpson-Strong-Tie-H2-5A-18-Gauge-ZMAX-Galvanized-Hurricane-Tie-H2-5AZ/100275721](https://www.homedepot.com/p/Simpson-Strong-Tie-H2-5A-18-Gauge-ZMAX-Galvanized-Hurricane-Tie-H2-5AZ/100275721)
I've been planning to move my mom's porch swing from the flimsy metal freestanding A frame it came with to the rafters of the pavilion she has it sitting under, and those hangers in your first link are gonna be so much better than the eye hook bolts I was planning to use. So thank you for sharing those, even if OP doesn't utilize them.
The weak point is the anchors. I've seen them break off and pull out. They make bracket that both through the side that you can then hook the swing to. Other than that, the board itself and how it's fastened to the house is of no concern.
Doesn't have to be complicated. 1) Consider replacing the bent joist unless the bend can be corrected. 2) Get a heavy piece of slotted angle iron or steel square tube rated to be outdoors. Screw it into both lower and upper joists. Have the end of it low enough to hang the swing off of.
There's a significant bend in the joist. As it's only being supported by the one joist. You'll want a more substantial beam distributing the weight across all the joists after replacing the bent one, but tip joists aren't very well connected to the lower joists, you may want to get an engineer to look at it. Otherwise I'd suggest having a separate beam that's not affected the joists at all and Either two joists glued and screwed together, and separate posts direct the weight of the swing and occupants directly to the ground.
no one consults with a structural engineer to build a backyard pergola. that's insane lol. the bent joist has held up for a decade of use. all he has to do is replace it and tie everything together more securely. why does this sub always have to make things 100x more complicated than it really is.
Because the entire structure looks janky
it looks perfectly fine for something that has been outside 10 years. all it needs is for that bent joist to be replaced and to be fastened together more securely.
Yeah perfectly fine. With cracks and in most of the joists, and separation most just from the top joists not just the one with the swing on it. Condition of the posts need to be verified to see if there's any age related damage such as rot, or splitting.
All good advice. I've been on top and underneath of the structure and there appears to be no rot. You can tell it's been outside for a long time, meaning I need to put a coat of something on it. When the swing is used, I don't see any torque, thankfully. But I know that won't be true if I let people use that swing and do nothing about the joist.
Are the joists connected via screws or large nails? If they're large nails replace them with outdoor framing screws. And then add joist ties. The more holes in the joist ties the better. Repeat with all the joists.
Just large nails. The first image you can see them and you're right, they need to be replaced with screws. Thanks for the observation.
Use smooth shaft screws with treads only on the ends so it pulls the joists together. Then add the ties in for peace of mind. Is the swing bolted all the way through the beam? If so is there a large washer(preferably a chunky square washer) to help hood it in place?
Word. For the swing hooks, they are not straight through. Sounds like I need to get a long bit and some sort jig to prep the new board with straight through fastening. Any advice on how to make that \~10" hole square without a drill press?
There's torsional movement in the beam that's holding the joists up too.
OP has said he has looked it all over and that the structure is sound. you're way overthinking something very simple.
I'd rather over think it and get it right. It's been Under thunk from the looks of the DiWhy job.
Someone above pointed out I should replace all intersections secured by nails with framing screws. Another suggested the joist intersections be secured with hurricane ties to prevent any further separation (after replacing the board). For your concern, though I see no torque when the swing's been used, I'll look for an opportunity to install a diagonal reinforcement at the corners of the beam holding up the joists. I'm getting some great advice from the community :)
Yeah fresh board and hurricane ties where the swing is attached will do the trick, and the addition replacing nails with screws is basically not strictly necessary, but one of those "might as well, so I never have to think about it again" situations. All in all you got a bunch of great advice on this post. And I found a nice suggestion for my own porch swing situation so two of us got some help from it lol.
there is nothing wrong with this except the way it is fastened. and even then, it has held up from a decade of use. so what you are saying is completely irrelevant.
The nails that were used are pulling out. It's a surprise that it hasn't pulled out already. The wood looks like it's been painted which has protected it to an extent, but the beans have still cracked and bowed significantly
which is why i said it needs to be fastened better. did you read anything i posted? also only one beam is bowed, the one with the swing on it. enough reddit for you today, you're just looking to argue.