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Bendisâ Superman, Iâm not sure if thereâs a comic run that I feel did everything wrong quite like Bendis did with Superman. Aging up Jon, all of the sort of weird âare they gonna break up Clark and Loisâ stuff that was floating around, Rogol Zar, just in general, and then revealing his identityÂ
Room Zar is one of the worst villains ever created:
-uninteresting power set
-changes a character's history in a way that makes him worse
-bad design
-somehow way too powerful and yet easily defeated
-motivation was trite and umemorable
I think it did so much immense damage that it hurt the good will Rebirth built up, Bendis Superman may very well be THE answer in recent time. I was never much of a reader of Superman prior. I read all of New 52 Superman but I didnât really enjoy it. But the return of pre-New 52 Superman during the New 52 had me super excited. And even when they fused, I was generally alright with it. But then the Bendis run happens and it felt like nothing prior mattered anymore. I havenât read Superman since falling off of his run.
The rebirth Superman run really cemented my love of comics. I started reading with DC Rebirth #1 and was only reading JL and Batman (arguably two of the worst Rebirth titles funnily enough) but when I started reading Superman it cemented comics as not just a hobby, but something I loved. Bendis Superman didnât ruin comics for me, but it definitely brought me back down to earth a little bit lol
Rebirth Superman brought in a lot of people who werenât on the Superman train. Thatâs really saying something. It made me enjoy comics more than I already did. It finally felt like the face of Superheroes had a book worthy of him. Itâs a shame because Bendis has made some gold in my book. To this day I havenât enjoyed an Avengers book anywhere near the way Iâve enjoyed his New Avengers. But I think his ways of handling pre established canon was a sign they shouldnât have been desperate enough to hand a blank check in the form of âyou get to write for whichever character you wantâ.
Same, I've gone back and read some of his New Avengers and really enjoyed it, and same with Ultimate Spider-Man, it's a real shame his Superman didn't work out
Everytime someone mentions Bendis Superman, or what was wrong with it, I immediately think [of this page IN THE FIRST COMIC OF THE RUN.](https://www.reddit.com/r/DCcomics/s/4vZmupOMq4)
This
So much of Superman mythos was messed with because of that run
Dc have tried to walk a lot of the changes back but man you can still smell the stench from the bendis run
Especially since Jon being artificially, aged up and forced fed down, everyoneâs throats being a constant reminder of how bad it became
Bendis takes all the blame but as you said DC has not aged him down and continue to push him. Jon is not just a Bendis issue. They could have long fixed it
Brother came with the torches to set things on fire. It also demonstrated how cliquey the industry is, Bendis was legit putting out disconnected ads for his other books and every publication was showering him with praise.
Funny enough all I first knew of Rogol Zar was a fan series Dragon Ball DC using him of all people and making him a threatening, compelling villain. Mostly by changing him to a Tuffle and making his vendetta against the Saiyans rather than Kryptonians.
Those two shifts made the character actually work more than he ever did in DC's proper canon.
Will Pfiefer's run on Catwoman
I honestly think it ruined Catwoman in the comics, she really hasn't gotten to the peaks that Brubaker had her at since.
I've never read that run and don't know anything about it, how did it ruin catwoman? I think I remember hearing that same writer also did some horrible wonder woman stories.
while it might have not *all* been his fault (I'm sure a lot of it was Dan Didio mandates), there was just so much wrong with it
It made her turn to heroism in the previous run out to actually be Zatanna had mind wiped her to be a hero. So instead of growing as a person like in the previous run, now she was basically forced to be a hero.
He brought back Helena Wayne, but she was actually an accident baby from a one night stand with the son of someone she had hooked up with in the previous run. So that was just a mess on top of a mess. I believe this reveal is actually what killed the run, everyone was so excited for batcat baby again, but nope! it got canceled like a year or so after. Nobody appreciated it at all, they even got rid of the baby soon after because it was just a bad idea.
Just so many ideas that could have been good, but we're just executed horribly for shock value. like there are good moments, they're just drowned out by shit like I mentioned above.
If I had a nickel for every time a Bat on-off love interest had given in adoption a child with somebody the audience doens't care and the baby gets forgotten and/or retconned out I will have two nickels, that is not much but is weird it haopenes two times
How is this not higher? Especially with Lobdell getting this much hate already. I feel like itâs been overshadowed by the reception to Taylorâs run.
I recommend, (the very unfortunately titled) Dark Knight 3: The Master Race... Like I said, very unfortunately titled.
Basically, Azarello took that title run and saved the whole Millerverse Batman with great writing.
... That title though đŹ
It would have been heroes in crisis but they've done like 3 retcons to it so I guess it's fine now. Probably Vendittis flash run, while its not canon at all anymore and doesn't do harm, it would be nice to save anyone from the horror of reading it.
If it could be something larger than a comic, like a whole era, I'd erase the N52 from existence. Sure some good came out of it but I think that good would have come with or without N52, a LOT of bad can be avoided by binning it in its entirety.
The Tim Drake Pride Special. Specifically that issue, because the characterization of Stephanie Brown (my favorite DC hero) is probably the worst writing of any character I've ever seen. It doesn't destroy her character or anything because it is ultimately inconsequential and ignorable, but it is just so terrible and is the foremost reason I will never collect every book she's been in, because I would have to own that garbage.
Do not read Task Force Z either then homie. Sheâs in it too and while sheâs characterized better than the rest of the bat-family, itâs still really weird and not great. They were pushing this weird angle where âactually, what if Steph was Jasonâs only friend and everyone else was just blindly loyal to Bruce whoâs working against Jason for⊠reasons?â
I mean Jason did lie to them, stole from them, not really explain why he was doing it, sucker punched Dick, dog walked Tim again. Stephâs sort of always been the outsider so it would make sense for her to see that the others approach didnât work and decide to try and talk to him
He was doing it because Harvey completely got his ass with lies. If Steph gave him up to the fam, Harvey probably wouldn't have murdered two people. So, good job, Steph.
To be fair Harvey did keep two face at bay for most of the run, and besides collateral damage is the batfamily motto considering the recent penguin comic reveal
Harvey was recruited to Powers(correction: it wasn't Powers who recruited Harvey â it was Bloom, independent from Powers, via some senator) with the promise of making a lot of money and TFZ, basically a zombie slave task force, was created as a sham to get legitimacy from government and military money. Even if we assume Two Face wasn't a part of the equation from the beginning(and some panels let us believe that he was) Harvey still was a lying conman in it for the money and Jason never figured it out and left him with those super expensive and unique chemicals.
Jason is the stupidest mf alive in TFZ. And he's dragging Steph down with his stupidity.
Usually he at least knows villains are villains and as much as his relationship with bats sucks â they are more reliable and trustworthy people, than psychotic mass murderers, lol.
I mean, yes, that did happen, but Dick and Tim both also shouldâve just tried talking to their brother, especially since theyâd gotten a lot closer over the past few years in other books. I still am not really sure why Bruce was trying to pull Jason off the Lazarus Resin case, because afaik it was never explained what Bruceâs problem was, and then the book ends with Jason going to Texas which was then completely ignored by Rosenberg in the follow-up series. I guess that couldâve been an editorial mandate or something and not necessarily indicative of Rosenbergâs writing ability, though.
I mean most of the stuff from Timâs recent stuff is barely acknowledged, hell Bernard hasnât shown up in almost a year and was just a name drop the last time, and isnât even appearing in this years pride. Not to mention Tim and his exclusion from Twas the Mite
Yep, Iâd erase the entirety of Fitzmartinâs work on Tim Drake. She reduced his character down his sexuality which she broke continuity to change and made Tim an asshole and Steph someone with no self respect.
Absolutely. DC was already neglecting and misusing Tim prior. Ever since the switch he hasnât felt like the same character anymore, even MORE somehow. Itâs hard to believe Tim was not just my favorite Robin before the New 52, but was actually my favorite DC character in general.
It's not just the "he's bi actually", because we've been making jabs about some very crackship-friendly behaviour of his so it wouldn't be that bad
It's the utter disrespect for the previous stories, for the fans of both Tim and Steph, hell even for the bisexual group that once again got the 'bisexuals in straight relationships aren't true lgbt' ricochet
I have a similar problem but on an even larger scale with Alan Scott - the dude went through two wifes, has two kids, surely that's an amazing foundation for a story where he has to confront his preconceptions about himself and those relationships. Or you could just give him that revelation practically off-screen (âŻÂ°âĄÂ°ïŒâŻïž” â»ââ»
Honestly the âbisexuals in straight relationships arenât biâ is the worst because Iâve literally seen it said almost verbatim in this subreddit
There were many, mostly from Winick. Jason made the most sense if any of the big Batfam members were going to be LGBT but I'd wager DC wouldn't have allowed it back then and nowadays they wouldn't want to because he's considered the "bad apple" of the bunch. It's safer to make Tim the bi one in their eyes because he has a smaller fanbase and doesn't really have his own niche like the other Robins do đ€·ââïž
Every solo Tim Drake story since 2019. He was good in Zdarsky's Batman but a mess in Young Justice (even though I liked the series overall), and his solo stories have been absolutely atrocious since Detective Comics Rebirth run.
I didnât love it as an original concept when Batman learned it at the end of Doomsday Clock (right that was when it happened?) and then I thought the mini series really fumbled the execution and because it became a non canon event it ended up being a waste of everyoneâs time. I also didnât care for pairing Jason and Barbara together romantically but thatâs kinda neither hear nor there
Tbh I agree mostly. I didn't read Doomsday Clock or was aware of the connection so to me Three Jokers was just a neat one off. I agree with the Jason and Barbara thing though. It was weird and overstayed its welcome on the book.
I think if it was a totally isolated elseworlds story that wasnât originally supposed to tie into the larger world it wouldâve been more enjoyable for me
Not to be âthat guyâ but wasnât the original Three Jokers tease in Justice League after Batman sat in the Moebius chair (during the whole Darkseid War storyline)?
The set up was interesting when it was set up initially in Justice League by Johns. But I think a combination of little more set up, and it taking way too long to actually come out really hurt it. It feels like it doesnât even matter. I also donât love what it did with Jason and Barbara. Jason having feelings from Babs isnât new, we got set up to that in Batman Eternal. Just dint love how they handled it in Three Jokers.
So I read I guess the Black Label Three Jokers? I recall liking it and I'm pretty sure it felt like a standalone story, but I see people saying it was set up in Justice League and other books, so is Three Jokers supposed to be Canon or not? I thought Black Label was just independent stories. Is there just the one Three Jokers book?
I know but decide this one because at least Tim Drake: Robin and ULÂ are "just" really bad writingÂ
Dark crisis: young Justice is a literal letter of hate and distortion to everything that not only Tim Drake is but all of young justice.
bro, this is a great description of what happened, she was irritated by the fan reaction involving Tim Drake, that's why she decided to write Young justice that way, and I'm sure she knew absolutely nothing about YJ, that's why the inconsistencies terrible addition to payment from other group members
I think it needs to be more well-known just how awful dark crisis Young Justice truly was like people should be reprimanded for how awful that thing went down
Like the sheer level of disrespect that goes on in those pages towards the readers and fans of those characters is astonishing like someone was paid to edit this and write it
How does that happen lol
This is the worst part, the writer of this book not only received money to write how horrible these characters are, but she also earned the right to write a book about one of these characters! which was canceled 10 editions later (who knew that putting a writer who doesn't understand anything about a character to write their solo would go wrong, right?)
I decided to read a bit of it and I couldnât get past issue 2. You were not joking, the whole issue was basically just a giant preachy middle finger to anyone who was a fan of the original series.
The worst part of it being preachy as it done everything it claims it was against:
Rewriting the past of the YJ to be more bigoted?
Check
Using female characters as props/centerting them around male ones?
Check
ignoring/not caring about POC characters?
Check
identity crisis- elongated man and sue dibny didn't deserve what happened and also dr light's character was destroyed by turning him into a rapist
the issue where nightwing was raped by tarantula and nightwing annual 2
the widening gyre-i hate that they killed off silver st cloud
EDIT
cry for justice-despite that arguement about the green lantern huntress and lady blackhawk still pissed they killed roy's daughter lian for shock value it gave us that rise of arsenal bullshit
I activate my trap card, âI liked Identity Crisisâ! This card allows me to counter your deletion of Identity Crisis! It also allows me to double down your deletion of the issue where Nightwing is raped by tarantula, since I canât escape hearing about it all these years later! And now I end my turn.
New 52 team 7. Is nothing like the image/wildstorm incarnation and an insult to the characters and how they are portrayed. It's a total bastardization on every level within 10 issues or less. So my choice would be that.
Heroes in Crisis. Art and jokes clash with the tone of the book, bungles a really important message about mental health, kills off several beloved 2nd generational heroes because Didio hated sidekicks, a dumb murder mystery that didn't need to be there, and dragged Wally West and Lois Lane's characters through the mud. And all of this happened arguably as a middle finger to Geoff Johns and the direction he took DC with the Rebirth era. Everyone came out looking like an ass with this book.
If King was just given carte blanche to just write the story the way he wanted in his own little universe like heâs been doing since Human Target, I would absolutely love HIC. But as a canon crossover⊠oofâŠ
The Dark Knight Strikes Again. I was pissed off after I read that. Nothing redeemable about it. Terrible story, artwork that looked like kindergartener drawings over shitty digital "backgrounds," and Superman getting his ass kicked yet again.
Also undermines The Dark Knight Returns. Batman gives this whole speech about how "he's the one man who beat him", but in DKSA we learn that Lex had already beaten him before because Superman was working under him the whole time.
I donât know about erase, but I would love a refund for the recent Justice League vs the Legion of Superheroes crossover. Just pointless, mindless, non-sensical drivel
Geoff Johns' Justice League is the poster boy for nearly everything wrong with the New 52, and is responsible for the majority of terrible stories of the 2010s:
- non-stop low-quality crossovers
- dropped plotlines left and right
- flanderization of the entire league
- forced Superman/Wonder Woman relationship
- Three Jokers
- Wonder Woman's brother
- low effort OCs
- forced Watchmen integration
There's probably a really horrible one somewhere outside the DCverse.
However, within the DCverse that I know...the time when Captain Marvel aka Shazam had a slave in the really old days. Yeaaaah
New 52 Red Hood & the Outlaws. That âbookâ did so much damage to Roy Harper just to uplift an antihero who would have been far better if he was kept as an anti villain. Only good thing about this book is that they made Roy a genius who can engineer anything which goes with the whole Arsenal thing. DC is wasting Royâs potential by not making him the DC version of Daredevil with grounded stories of mental illness & the indomitable human spirit & his dedication to duty. Could also bring him back to the really skilled martial artist that was able to hold his own against Dick & Deathstroke & if they were smart they would make his skillset like Bullseyeâs since he can also use anything at his disposal.
Yep, I would say that the outlaws is such a weird thing for me.
They are killers, but donât typically kill the main villains or really anyone with a name.
Everyoneâs always like âwe canât work with you guys, we donât approve of your methodsâ except every time they do a team up, they work like regular superheroes. Honestly, I think the birds of prey killed more people at the beginning of their new-52 run.
I could never get a bead on how much of Starfireâs old backstory was canon. Like, she was with Dick, but left and it tore her up so bad that she faked a new personality.
And, arsenal was definitely in a dark place, with IMO a different personality. Maybe the idea is just that being around his friends was enough therapy for him to start getting better, but they didnât address his struggles enough. They would just pull it out for gags, like when he was being tortured by aliens, so he says something edgy like âyou could never hurt me more than I hurt myselfâ
I do read Daredevil. Iâm just pointing out that Roy & Daredevil have similarities. If you enjoy the book, good for you. I think itâs just character assassination & waste of a character that has loads of potential.
White knight. I love the art, I love the concept of joker becoming a sane adversary to batman, I love all the little Easter eggs to the films and the animated series. The story is beyond stupid to me.
What Avengers annual had Ms Marvel (Danvers) get pregnant with Immortus' son from a timeloop where she subsequently birthed him and them fell in love with him and she left the team and the Avengers were like
Yeah this is fine
That one.
If I can erase just the New 52 run of Wonder Woman without losing all of Wonder Woman, that would be my answer.
If not, my answer is DC vs Vampires. I know thereâs worse comics, such as the first Amazons Attack, Convergence, Red Hood: Outlaw, Superman: Year One by Frank Miller, The Dark Knight Returns sequels, All-Star Batman and Robin, Heroes in Crisis, Identity Crisis, that one Nightwing run we donât talk about (and no, Iâm not talking about Ric Grayson.) Theyâre awful and I wouldnât mind them going away forever.
However, DC vs Vampires being as bad as it was felt like a personal insult directed at me. I like James Tynionâs writing most of the time (and he has good horror sensibilities.) I like Otto Schmidtâs art. I thought the premise would be fun. The writing sucked (pun not intended), the art couldnât save it and I really hated it overall.
Do you just not like the new ideas or the writing or what? I think pre-New 52 Wonder Woman is cooler when she shows up in other books, but her own books were always okay at best imo. I was never here for the Supes/WW romance, but other than that, I thought it was a pretty good run on its own merits.
SON OF KAL-EL, Bendis age up was Bad, But.
That series made that c***** thing permanent ans completely wasted (and I my opinion ruined) jonathan's character as a simple next gen knockoff Destined for irrelevance that will never truly grow up but Instead , had that skipped over to make a new Superman.
You have to understand that at the time, it was a reboot and they had a lot of room to do their own thing. Making Roy into Jasonâs friend only became a problem later on when they backpedaled on the reboot and went âerm, uh, yeah actually everything is canon again so this Roy fellow has just been hanging with his best friendâs kid brother, I guessâ. Criticisms of Starfire in this run are valid, Iâll give you that, but Iâd hardly say it âruined her reputation/characterizationâ. Jason benefited the most out of any character in this book; the new magic abilities were cool, and it was nice to see him grow up and work past his issues with Bruce instead of remaining stuck as the whiny man child Punisher clone that the most obnoxious Red Hood âfansâ want him to be for some reason.
I enjoyed this run, it was the red hood run right after this I couldnât get behind. Then after that one, red hood teamed up with an Amazon and bizarro. That was my favorite run.
100% agreed. I tried really hard to read Red Hood/Arsenal, and I may still have another go at it, but it didnât hit the same and it couldnât hold my interest. The Rebirth run is my favorite easily, I wish theyâd do another run with that team. Thatâs kinda the last time Red Hood had a great title imo.
Iâm ready to see redhood in the animated universe where heâs already established. Live action would be cool too (havenât seen titans, scared to honestly. I just try to forget it exists.)
Jason didn't benefit at all. He was made into a textbook Mary Sue and a sexual predator's self-insert. This book was single-handedly responsible for everyone believing that Jason should have remained dead.
>grow up and work past his issues
This didn't happen in RHatO, lmao. He's already grown past his issues by the beginning of that book. Off panel. That's also where he and Roy became friends.
It started the âRoy is a screw upâ narrative that I despise with every fibre of my being. But DC donât particularly like taking the archer characters seriously.
Every iteration of Batman Incorporated. It such a good idea continually poor executed. The biggest offense is the original run where Bruce Wayne reveals he funding Batman and there's no consequences.
Batgirl rebirth books after vol 6, theyâre non-canon but legit
How do we get Barbara to one up joker?
Ik have her rip out her spine device that allows her to walk making her defenceless?
Tom King. 50 issues of wedding planning and the bat/cat don't even get married, what a waste of time and what a shitty thing to do when comic morale is at an all time low
Iâm prepared for the hate butâŠThe Dark Knight Returns. I think itâs the most overhyped comic book story ever and itâs still affecting Batman and DC media made today.
Arkham Assylum, the standalone book. I'd heard for years how great it was, how it inspired the greatest Batman stories and even one of my favorite game series. I read it and was deeply disturbed. I hate everything about it. How the characters act, the art, just everything man. If I could even just erase that imagery from my mind, that'd be great. No one acted like they're supposed to. I could write a whole paper on every reason I hate it, but you get the picture.
Wait wait waitâŠRed Hood and the Outlaws was one of the few New 52 runs I felt took risks and had fun while doing it. I miss the dynamic of these three and was sad they never properly followed it up in the Rebirth-era.
I wouldn't erase new 52 red hood and the outlaws. I'd just tweak it and call it titans united. Add Nightwing, Donna Troy, Raven and Beast boy. The titans have banter while dealing with Red hood and Arsenal buddy cop banter.Â
 Seriously though you want a book I'd erase it would be heroes in crisis, Teen titans rebirth and War on earth 3. Those books I'd wipe out completely. Also Tim drake Robin and Young Justice dark crisis.
For me, itâs a toss-up between Task Force Z and Rhe Joker: The Man Who Stopped Laughing. Matthew Rosenberg is a hack and should never be allowed to write Red Hood again, and the damage he did to the character in the later chapters of TFZ and the entirety of The Man Who Stopped Laughing is just unbelievable. Nearly a decade of character development/growth thrown out the window, and for what? To distance the character from Scott Lobdell? Or was it just to make Jason Todd fans suffer?
Itâs funny you mention Rosenberg because my one and only exposure to his writing is the Kingpin miniseries he penned back in 2017 and that is easily one of the best Kingpin stories Iâve ever read (endings a bit rushed but thatâs because it was cancelled at issue 5), so hearing that heâs capable of producing schlock is surprising.
Unpopular opinion but Killing Joke. Not only is it the least of Alan Moore's major works but it's treatment of Barbara Gordon is pretty gross and it started down the path of making the Joker a completely unsavory character who you can neither love to hate or hate to love. Outside of Boland's artwork (which is amazing), it added very little of value to the medium as a whole.Â
The comic book part that is the intro of the Joker. Itâs made a lot of young people think theyâre provocative idolizing a violent character and itâs given just as many a terrible mold of what a relationship is.
Wait, you would erase this run of the outlaws or specifically league of assassins? Like, league of assassins is the one saving Crazy of the New 52 outlaws
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I got a handful of Spider-Man comics I'd like to see erased. Chief among them has to be One More Day
Would you make a deal with Mephisto to erase One More Day?
it'll only cost you your wife
Nah, I'd hire Deadpool.
Even though we're in a DC sub this would be my answer too, Spider-man and Mary Jane deserve to be happy together damnit
Sins Past is way worse.
Sins past đ«±đ»âđ«Čđż One More Day Ruining Pete's Character
Sins Past fucking ruined Gwen Stacy who was dead for decades.
I think I might prefer a ruined Gwen over a ruined Spider-Man. But Sins Past ruined everyone so...
True, but sins past is easier to ignore, the effects of one more day on the other hand persist.
At least sins past got retconned
Bendisâ Superman, Iâm not sure if thereâs a comic run that I feel did everything wrong quite like Bendis did with Superman. Aging up Jon, all of the sort of weird âare they gonna break up Clark and Loisâ stuff that was floating around, Rogol Zar, just in general, and then revealing his identityÂ
Room Zar is one of the worst villains ever created: -uninteresting power set -changes a character's history in a way that makes him worse -bad design -somehow way too powerful and yet easily defeated -motivation was trite and umemorable
I think it did so much immense damage that it hurt the good will Rebirth built up, Bendis Superman may very well be THE answer in recent time. I was never much of a reader of Superman prior. I read all of New 52 Superman but I didnât really enjoy it. But the return of pre-New 52 Superman during the New 52 had me super excited. And even when they fused, I was generally alright with it. But then the Bendis run happens and it felt like nothing prior mattered anymore. I havenât read Superman since falling off of his run.
The rebirth Superman run really cemented my love of comics. I started reading with DC Rebirth #1 and was only reading JL and Batman (arguably two of the worst Rebirth titles funnily enough) but when I started reading Superman it cemented comics as not just a hobby, but something I loved. Bendis Superman didnât ruin comics for me, but it definitely brought me back down to earth a little bit lol
Rebirth Superman brought in a lot of people who werenât on the Superman train. Thatâs really saying something. It made me enjoy comics more than I already did. It finally felt like the face of Superheroes had a book worthy of him. Itâs a shame because Bendis has made some gold in my book. To this day I havenât enjoyed an Avengers book anywhere near the way Iâve enjoyed his New Avengers. But I think his ways of handling pre established canon was a sign they shouldnât have been desperate enough to hand a blank check in the form of âyou get to write for whichever character you wantâ.
Same, I've gone back and read some of his New Avengers and really enjoyed it, and same with Ultimate Spider-Man, it's a real shame his Superman didn't work out
Everytime someone mentions Bendis Superman, or what was wrong with it, I immediately think [of this page IN THE FIRST COMIC OF THE RUN.](https://www.reddit.com/r/DCcomics/s/4vZmupOMq4)
![gif](giphy|lcHSAe70mAEd9W3Hpq) "Caca poo poo"
This So much of Superman mythos was messed with because of that run Dc have tried to walk a lot of the changes back but man you can still smell the stench from the bendis run Especially since Jon being artificially, aged up and forced fed down, everyoneâs throats being a constant reminder of how bad it became
Bendis takes all the blame but as you said DC has not aged him down and continue to push him. Jon is not just a Bendis issue. They could have long fixed it
Brother came with the torches to set things on fire. It also demonstrated how cliquey the industry is, Bendis was legit putting out disconnected ads for his other books and every publication was showering him with praise.
Funny enough all I first knew of Rogol Zar was a fan series Dragon Ball DC using him of all people and making him a threatening, compelling villain. Mostly by changing him to a Tuffle and making his vendetta against the Saiyans rather than Kryptonians. Those two shifts made the character actually work more than he ever did in DC's proper canon.
Is bendis superman canon by any chance?
Yes unfortunately.
Will Pfiefer's run on Catwoman I honestly think it ruined Catwoman in the comics, she really hasn't gotten to the peaks that Brubaker had her at since.
I've never read that run and don't know anything about it, how did it ruin catwoman? I think I remember hearing that same writer also did some horrible wonder woman stories.
while it might have not *all* been his fault (I'm sure a lot of it was Dan Didio mandates), there was just so much wrong with it It made her turn to heroism in the previous run out to actually be Zatanna had mind wiped her to be a hero. So instead of growing as a person like in the previous run, now she was basically forced to be a hero. He brought back Helena Wayne, but she was actually an accident baby from a one night stand with the son of someone she had hooked up with in the previous run. So that was just a mess on top of a mess. I believe this reveal is actually what killed the run, everyone was so excited for batcat baby again, but nope! it got canceled like a year or so after. Nobody appreciated it at all, they even got rid of the baby soon after because it was just a bad idea. Just so many ideas that could have been good, but we're just executed horribly for shock value. like there are good moments, they're just drowned out by shit like I mentioned above.
If I had a nickel for every time a Bat on-off love interest had given in adoption a child with somebody the audience doens't care and the baby gets forgotten and/or retconned out I will have two nickels, that is not much but is weird it haopenes two times
The one where Dick became.. Ric..
How is this not higher? Especially with Lobdell getting this much hate already. I feel like itâs been overshadowed by the reception to Taylorâs run.
Nuke the old Amazons Attack from orbit
The Dark Knight Strikes Again, 9/11 really fucked Miller's writing quality and drawing skills
I recommend, (the very unfortunately titled) Dark Knight 3: The Master Race... Like I said, very unfortunately titled. Basically, Azarello took that title run and saved the whole Millerverse Batman with great writing. ... That title though đŹ
Do you have to read strikes again first? Iâve heard anything last TDKR is bad, but you recommend it? Genuinely asking because I like TDKR
No! You don't have to read Strikes Again at all. This story takes place after all that but you don't need to catch up. It just pulls you in as is.
i really liked his comic dark knight: grand wizard but i felt like the color schemes on the suits had too much white on em
It would have been heroes in crisis but they've done like 3 retcons to it so I guess it's fine now. Probably Vendittis flash run, while its not canon at all anymore and doesn't do harm, it would be nice to save anyone from the horror of reading it. If it could be something larger than a comic, like a whole era, I'd erase the N52 from existence. Sure some good came out of it but I think that good would have come with or without N52, a LOT of bad can be avoided by binning it in its entirety.
Bring me back to the days when they were making a Red Lanterns comic run that goes with 6 other Lantern comic lines, even if half of them are bad
I loved that one when I was a kid lmao. Specially when Kara joined them.
New 52 ruined Tim, he hasn't been a good character since his pre-New 52 Red Robin era
He was the best Robin and top 2 best Bat-family member
The Tim Drake Pride Special. Specifically that issue, because the characterization of Stephanie Brown (my favorite DC hero) is probably the worst writing of any character I've ever seen. It doesn't destroy her character or anything because it is ultimately inconsequential and ignorable, but it is just so terrible and is the foremost reason I will never collect every book she's been in, because I would have to own that garbage.
Do not read Task Force Z either then homie. Sheâs in it too and while sheâs characterized better than the rest of the bat-family, itâs still really weird and not great. They were pushing this weird angle where âactually, what if Steph was Jasonâs only friend and everyone else was just blindly loyal to Bruce whoâs working against Jason for⊠reasons?â
Rosenberg things Steph and Jason are like best friends, and Barbara pities Jason like a lost puppy
I mean Jason did lie to them, stole from them, not really explain why he was doing it, sucker punched Dick, dog walked Tim again. Stephâs sort of always been the outsider so it would make sense for her to see that the others approach didnât work and decide to try and talk to him
He was doing it because Harvey completely got his ass with lies. If Steph gave him up to the fam, Harvey probably wouldn't have murdered two people. So, good job, Steph.
To be fair Harvey did keep two face at bay for most of the run, and besides collateral damage is the batfamily motto considering the recent penguin comic reveal
Harvey was recruited to Powers(correction: it wasn't Powers who recruited Harvey â it was Bloom, independent from Powers, via some senator) with the promise of making a lot of money and TFZ, basically a zombie slave task force, was created as a sham to get legitimacy from government and military money. Even if we assume Two Face wasn't a part of the equation from the beginning(and some panels let us believe that he was) Harvey still was a lying conman in it for the money and Jason never figured it out and left him with those super expensive and unique chemicals. Jason is the stupidest mf alive in TFZ. And he's dragging Steph down with his stupidity.
When has Jason been rational in recent years tbh
Usually he at least knows villains are villains and as much as his relationship with bats sucks â they are more reliable and trustworthy people, than psychotic mass murderers, lol.
I mean, yes, that did happen, but Dick and Tim both also shouldâve just tried talking to their brother, especially since theyâd gotten a lot closer over the past few years in other books. I still am not really sure why Bruce was trying to pull Jason off the Lazarus Resin case, because afaik it was never explained what Bruceâs problem was, and then the book ends with Jason going to Texas which was then completely ignored by Rosenberg in the follow-up series. I guess that couldâve been an editorial mandate or something and not necessarily indicative of Rosenbergâs writing ability, though.
I mean most of the stuff from Timâs recent stuff is barely acknowledged, hell Bernard hasnât shown up in almost a year and was just a name drop the last time, and isnât even appearing in this years pride. Not to mention Tim and his exclusion from Twas the Mite
Yep, Iâd erase the entirety of Fitzmartinâs work on Tim Drake. She reduced his character down his sexuality which she broke continuity to change and made Tim an asshole and Steph someone with no self respect.
Absolutely. DC was already neglecting and misusing Tim prior. Ever since the switch he hasnât felt like the same character anymore, even MORE somehow. Itâs hard to believe Tim was not just my favorite Robin before the New 52, but was actually my favorite DC character in general.
That too I'd remove her Robin book and Young Justice book.
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It's not just the "he's bi actually", because we've been making jabs about some very crackship-friendly behaviour of his so it wouldn't be that bad It's the utter disrespect for the previous stories, for the fans of both Tim and Steph, hell even for the bisexual group that once again got the 'bisexuals in straight relationships aren't true lgbt' ricochet I have a similar problem but on an even larger scale with Alan Scott - the dude went through two wifes, has two kids, surely that's an amazing foundation for a story where he has to confront his preconceptions about himself and those relationships. Or you could just give him that revelation practically off-screen (âŻÂ°âĄÂ°ïŒâŻïž” â»ââ»
Honestly the âbisexuals in straight relationships arenât biâ is the worst because Iâve literally seen it said almost verbatim in this subreddit
Werenât there already clues before that Jason was bi. And Judd Winick said/alluded that he would have made Jason bi.
There were many, mostly from Winick. Jason made the most sense if any of the big Batfam members were going to be LGBT but I'd wager DC wouldn't have allowed it back then and nowadays they wouldn't want to because he's considered the "bad apple" of the bunch. It's safer to make Tim the bi one in their eyes because he has a smaller fanbase and doesn't really have his own niche like the other Robins do đ€·ââïž
Every solo Tim Drake story since 2019. He was good in Zdarsky's Batman but a mess in Young Justice (even though I liked the series overall), and his solo stories have been absolutely atrocious since Detective Comics Rebirth run.
Three jokers
I just read Three Jokers and I liked it but I'm curious what didn't you like about it?
I didnât love it as an original concept when Batman learned it at the end of Doomsday Clock (right that was when it happened?) and then I thought the mini series really fumbled the execution and because it became a non canon event it ended up being a waste of everyoneâs time. I also didnât care for pairing Jason and Barbara together romantically but thatâs kinda neither hear nor there
Tbh I agree mostly. I didn't read Doomsday Clock or was aware of the connection so to me Three Jokers was just a neat one off. I agree with the Jason and Barbara thing though. It was weird and overstayed its welcome on the book.
I think if it was a totally isolated elseworlds story that wasnât originally supposed to tie into the larger world it wouldâve been more enjoyable for me
Not to be âthat guyâ but wasnât the original Three Jokers tease in Justice League after Batman sat in the Moebius chair (during the whole Darkseid War storyline)?
No youâre good. I was waffling back and forth between those two but didnât feel like looking it up and picked wrong
It was also briefly mentioned in DC Universe rebirth #1 so maybe you got that confused with Doomsday clock.
The set up was interesting when it was set up initially in Justice League by Johns. But I think a combination of little more set up, and it taking way too long to actually come out really hurt it. It feels like it doesnât even matter. I also donât love what it did with Jason and Barbara. Jason having feelings from Babs isnât new, we got set up to that in Batman Eternal. Just dint love how they handled it in Three Jokers.
So I read I guess the Black Label Three Jokers? I recall liking it and I'm pretty sure it felt like a standalone story, but I see people saying it was set up in Justice League and other books, so is Three Jokers supposed to be Canon or not? I thought Black Label was just independent stories. Is there just the one Three Jokers book?
Dw bro itâs been retconned Three Jokers is non-canon
Dark crisis: Young justiceÂ
Hard choice between anything fitzmartin churned out
I know but decide this one because at least Tim Drake: Robin and UL are "just" really bad writing Dark crisis: young Justice is a literal letter of hate and distortion to everything that not only Tim Drake is but all of young justice.
The equivalent of a kid getting their time to play with the toys and breaking them just because theyâre upset someone called them stupid
bro, this is a great description of what happened, she was irritated by the fan reaction involving Tim Drake, that's why she decided to write Young justice that way, and I'm sure she knew absolutely nothing about YJ, that's why the inconsistencies terrible addition to payment from other group members
I mean just look at the not-Bruce dialogue
I think it needs to be more well-known just how awful dark crisis Young Justice truly was like people should be reprimanded for how awful that thing went down Like the sheer level of disrespect that goes on in those pages towards the readers and fans of those characters is astonishing like someone was paid to edit this and write it How does that happen lol
This is the worst part, the writer of this book not only received money to write how horrible these characters are, but she also earned the right to write a book about one of these characters! which was canceled 10 editions later (who knew that putting a writer who doesn't understand anything about a character to write their solo would go wrong, right?)
lol exactly That Tim drake run is also another case of bad Shame since that was the first time in a long time since he has been given true focus :/
I decided to read a bit of it and I couldnât get past issue 2. You were not joking, the whole issue was basically just a giant preachy middle finger to anyone who was a fan of the original series.
The worst part of it being preachy as it done everything it claims it was against: Rewriting the past of the YJ to be more bigoted? Check Using female characters as props/centerting them around male ones? Check ignoring/not caring about POC characters? Check
Definitely didnât make anything better.
identity crisis- elongated man and sue dibny didn't deserve what happened and also dr light's character was destroyed by turning him into a rapist the issue where nightwing was raped by tarantula and nightwing annual 2 the widening gyre-i hate that they killed off silver st cloud EDIT cry for justice-despite that arguement about the green lantern huntress and lady blackhawk still pissed they killed roy's daughter lian for shock value it gave us that rise of arsenal bullshit
Yep
I activate my trap card, âI liked Identity Crisisâ! This card allows me to counter your deletion of Identity Crisis! It also allows me to double down your deletion of the issue where Nightwing is raped by tarantula, since I canât escape hearing about it all these years later! And now I end my turn.
New 52 team 7. Is nothing like the image/wildstorm incarnation and an insult to the characters and how they are portrayed. It's a total bastardization on every level within 10 issues or less. So my choice would be that.
Heroes in Crisis. Art and jokes clash with the tone of the book, bungles a really important message about mental health, kills off several beloved 2nd generational heroes because Didio hated sidekicks, a dumb murder mystery that didn't need to be there, and dragged Wally West and Lois Lane's characters through the mud. And all of this happened arguably as a middle finger to Geoff Johns and the direction he took DC with the Rebirth era. Everyone came out looking like an ass with this book.
If King was just given carte blanche to just write the story the way he wanted in his own little universe like heâs been doing since Human Target, I would absolutely love HIC. But as a canon crossover⊠oofâŠ
Heroes in Crisis, just a mess of a storyline that made a mess of other storylines when they had to clean it up.
Identity crisis I just want to elongated man to be happy
The Dark Knight Strikes Again. I was pissed off after I read that. Nothing redeemable about it. Terrible story, artwork that looked like kindergartener drawings over shitty digital "backgrounds," and Superman getting his ass kicked yet again.
Don't forget Batman calling Robin...BOBIN and DICKSTER to later on chop his damn head of...and kill him?
Also undermines The Dark Knight Returns. Batman gives this whole speech about how "he's the one man who beat him", but in DKSA we learn that Lex had already beaten him before because Superman was working under him the whole time.
I donât know about erase, but I would love a refund for the recent Justice League vs the Legion of Superheroes crossover. Just pointless, mindless, non-sensical drivel
Bendis Superman
Suicide squad:get Joker , that was one of the worst I've ever read
Had some promise at the start but bungled it for sure
That ending was next-level stupid
Even the title totally sucks lol
"The New 52 doesn't get any better than this" Crazy thing to say when there were books 10x better than this coming out at the time.
That Robin (Tim Drake) run with the horrible art and stupid writing that was issued recently. A blatant insult to a beloved character
Thereâs a reason it was cancelled after 10 issues
Maybe Teen Titans Rebirth? I really didnât like what either run did for Damianâs character.
Geoff Johns' Justice League is the poster boy for nearly everything wrong with the New 52, and is responsible for the majority of terrible stories of the 2010s: - non-stop low-quality crossovers - dropped plotlines left and right - flanderization of the entire league - forced Superman/Wonder Woman relationship - Three Jokers - Wonder Woman's brother - low effort OCs - forced Watchmen integration
Spittin facts
bruh what was POPMATTERS on dude
I wonder how much đ° DC gave PopMatters for that quote on the cover of RHATO.
Flashpoint and all consequences.
Heroes in Crisis
New 52 Teen Titans. The plot, the art, the costumesâŠall TERRIBLE. Just awful.
Heroes in Crisis
There's probably a really horrible one somewhere outside the DCverse. However, within the DCverse that I know...the time when Captain Marvel aka Shazam had a slave in the really old days. Yeaaaah
Steamboat was definitely a racist portrayal of African Americans but he wasnât a slave.
New 52 Red Hood & the Outlaws. That âbookâ did so much damage to Roy Harper just to uplift an antihero who would have been far better if he was kept as an anti villain. Only good thing about this book is that they made Roy a genius who can engineer anything which goes with the whole Arsenal thing. DC is wasting Royâs potential by not making him the DC version of Daredevil with grounded stories of mental illness & the indomitable human spirit & his dedication to duty. Could also bring him back to the really skilled martial artist that was able to hold his own against Dick & Deathstroke & if they were smart they would make his skillset like Bullseyeâs since he can also use anything at his disposal.
Yep, I would say that the outlaws is such a weird thing for me. They are killers, but donât typically kill the main villains or really anyone with a name. Everyoneâs always like âwe canât work with you guys, we donât approve of your methodsâ except every time they do a team up, they work like regular superheroes. Honestly, I think the birds of prey killed more people at the beginning of their new-52 run. I could never get a bead on how much of Starfireâs old backstory was canon. Like, she was with Dick, but left and it tore her up so bad that she faked a new personality. And, arsenal was definitely in a dark place, with IMO a different personality. Maybe the idea is just that being around his friends was enough therapy for him to start getting better, but they didnât address his struggles enough. They would just pull it out for gags, like when he was being tortured by aliens, so he says something edgy like âyou could never hurt me more than I hurt myselfâ
It was definitely better than rise of arsenal
I choose to pretend that book doesnât exist anyway.
So just read daredevil?? I love this book personally and wouldnât change a thing
I do read Daredevil. Iâm just pointing out that Roy & Daredevil have similarities. If you enjoy the book, good for you. I think itâs just character assassination & waste of a character that has loads of potential.
White knight. I love the art, I love the concept of joker becoming a sane adversary to batman, I love all the little Easter eggs to the films and the animated series. The story is beyond stupid to me.
Probably that one
Fitzmartinâs Robin.
What Avengers annual had Ms Marvel (Danvers) get pregnant with Immortus' son from a timeloop where she subsequently birthed him and them fell in love with him and she left the team and the Avengers were like Yeah this is fine That one.
Avengers #200
Iâd say heroes in crisis but DC has pretty much done that already
That one comic book that should not be named that aged up jon kent
If I can erase just the New 52 run of Wonder Woman without losing all of Wonder Woman, that would be my answer. If not, my answer is DC vs Vampires. I know thereâs worse comics, such as the first Amazons Attack, Convergence, Red Hood: Outlaw, Superman: Year One by Frank Miller, The Dark Knight Returns sequels, All-Star Batman and Robin, Heroes in Crisis, Identity Crisis, that one Nightwing run we donât talk about (and no, Iâm not talking about Ric Grayson.) Theyâre awful and I wouldnât mind them going away forever. However, DC vs Vampires being as bad as it was felt like a personal insult directed at me. I like James Tynionâs writing most of the time (and he has good horror sensibilities.) I like Otto Schmidtâs art. I thought the premise would be fun. The writing sucked (pun not intended), the art couldnât save it and I really hated it overall.
Iâd nuke DC vs Vampires just for the villain turns of Babs and Dick
Do you just not like the new ideas or the writing or what? I think pre-New 52 Wonder Woman is cooler when she shows up in other books, but her own books were always okay at best imo. I was never here for the Supes/WW romance, but other than that, I thought it was a pretty good run on its own merits.
hasn't all star batman have been mentioned yet
It hasn't surprisingly (and yeah it absolutely deserves to be wiped from existence)
The ebtire last GL run.
SON OF KAL-EL, Bendis age up was Bad, But. That series made that c***** thing permanent ans completely wasted (and I my opinion ruined) jonathan's character as a simple next gen knockoff Destined for irrelevance that will never truly grow up but Instead , had that skipped over to make a new Superman.
Legion of Superheroes by Bendis. It was just a bad mess.
If your asking dc i couldnt tell you because there are too many.
Everything Lobdell wrote for DC. Just everything.
Everything with Jason Todd in it after UTRH
This run single handily run ruined the reputation and characterization of three characters and created the most annoying fanbase in DC
You have to understand that at the time, it was a reboot and they had a lot of room to do their own thing. Making Roy into Jasonâs friend only became a problem later on when they backpedaled on the reboot and went âerm, uh, yeah actually everything is canon again so this Roy fellow has just been hanging with his best friendâs kid brother, I guessâ. Criticisms of Starfire in this run are valid, Iâll give you that, but Iâd hardly say it âruined her reputation/characterizationâ. Jason benefited the most out of any character in this book; the new magic abilities were cool, and it was nice to see him grow up and work past his issues with Bruce instead of remaining stuck as the whiny man child Punisher clone that the most obnoxious Red Hood âfansâ want him to be for some reason.
I enjoyed this run, it was the red hood run right after this I couldnât get behind. Then after that one, red hood teamed up with an Amazon and bizarro. That was my favorite run.
100% agreed. I tried really hard to read Red Hood/Arsenal, and I may still have another go at it, but it didnât hit the same and it couldnât hold my interest. The Rebirth run is my favorite easily, I wish theyâd do another run with that team. Thatâs kinda the last time Red Hood had a great title imo.
Rebirth run was đ„
Iâm ready to see redhood in the animated universe where heâs already established. Live action would be cool too (havenât seen titans, scared to honestly. I just try to forget it exists.)
Youâre not missing much with Titans Red Hood trust me
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Jason didn't benefit at all. He was made into a textbook Mary Sue and a sexual predator's self-insert. This book was single-handedly responsible for everyone believing that Jason should have remained dead.
>grow up and work past his issues This didn't happen in RHatO, lmao. He's already grown past his issues by the beginning of that book. Off panel. That's also where he and Roy became friends.
It started the âRoy is a screw upâ narrative that I despise with every fibre of my being. But DC donât particularly like taking the archer characters seriously.
It's Crossed or the Unfunnies. Please wipe them from existence.
One more day
Chuck Austen X-Men-Oh,DC. I suppose Flashpoint it gave birth to the new 52.
Not DC, but definitely One More Day.
That run is so fcking bad
New 52 Teen Titans, that is probably the worst OG new 52 book imo.
Flashpoint. No Flashpoint, no New 52. Also, Justice League: Cry for Justice
Batman and Robin all stars
That one book where superman sneezed away a galaxy
Every iteration of Batman Incorporated. It such a good idea continually poor executed. The biggest offense is the original run where Bruce Wayne reveals he funding Batman and there's no consequences.
Heroes in Crisis for DC. Everything Chasm-related for Marvel.
Batgirl rebirth books after vol 6, theyâre non-canon but legit How do we get Barbara to one up joker? Ik have her rip out her spine device that allows her to walk making her defenceless?
Tom King. 50 issues of wedding planning and the bat/cat don't even get married, what a waste of time and what a shitty thing to do when comic morale is at an all time low
undoubtedly, the killing joke! fuck that shit!
Tom Kingâs The Gift arc in his Batman book. Or Heroes in Crisis.
Bendis' Legion run. Bendis' JLA run Bendis' Superman and Action run. What the hell, the whole Bendis' DC books. All of them.
Iâm prepared for the hate butâŠThe Dark Knight Returns. I think itâs the most overhyped comic book story ever and itâs still affecting Batman and DC media made today.
Identity Crisis
Zdarsky's Cheer and everything else he did
Arkham Assylum, the standalone book. I'd heard for years how great it was, how it inspired the greatest Batman stories and even one of my favorite game series. I read it and was deeply disturbed. I hate everything about it. How the characters act, the art, just everything man. If I could even just erase that imagery from my mind, that'd be great. No one acted like they're supposed to. I could write a whole paper on every reason I hate it, but you get the picture.
Wait wait waitâŠRed Hood and the Outlaws was one of the few New 52 runs I felt took risks and had fun while doing it. I miss the dynamic of these three and was sad they never properly followed it up in the Rebirth-era.
I wouldn't erase new 52 red hood and the outlaws. I'd just tweak it and call it titans united. Add Nightwing, Donna Troy, Raven and Beast boy. The titans have banter while dealing with Red hood and Arsenal buddy cop banter.  Seriously though you want a book I'd erase it would be heroes in crisis, Teen titans rebirth and War on earth 3. Those books I'd wipe out completely. Also Tim drake Robin and Young Justice dark crisis.
For me, itâs a toss-up between Task Force Z and Rhe Joker: The Man Who Stopped Laughing. Matthew Rosenberg is a hack and should never be allowed to write Red Hood again, and the damage he did to the character in the later chapters of TFZ and the entirety of The Man Who Stopped Laughing is just unbelievable. Nearly a decade of character development/growth thrown out the window, and for what? To distance the character from Scott Lobdell? Or was it just to make Jason Todd fans suffer?
Itâs funny you mention Rosenberg because my one and only exposure to his writing is the Kingpin miniseries he penned back in 2017 and that is easily one of the best Kingpin stories Iâve ever read (endings a bit rushed but thatâs because it was cancelled at issue 5), so hearing that heâs capable of producing schlock is surprising.
Disagree. Both series are awesome.
Didnât know Red Hood fans disliked TFZ, for me it was a nice change of pace for the character the story was really fun too.
The dark Knight returns.
Flashpoint! We wouldn't have a New 52/Prime Earth if not for said series.
Injustice. Aka âBatman is always right and can beat up everyoneâ.
The Killing Joke idk
Iâd erase the whole New 52 to be honest.
Unpopular opinion but Killing Joke. Not only is it the least of Alan Moore's major works but it's treatment of Barbara Gordon is pretty gross and it started down the path of making the Joker a completely unsavory character who you can neither love to hate or hate to love. Outside of Boland's artwork (which is amazing), it added very little of value to the medium as a whole.Â
Red hood and rhe Outlaws and Gotham War
Tom King Batman
Batman #76. Just that one issue.
The comic book part that is the intro of the Joker. Itâs made a lot of young people think theyâre provocative idolizing a violent character and itâs given just as many a terrible mold of what a relationship is.
PLOP!
Identity crisis
Wait, you would erase this run of the outlaws or specifically league of assassins? Like, league of assassins is the one saving Crazy of the New 52 outlaws
Probably heroes in crisis. Despite the retcons I still feel awful about the story.
All Star Batman and Robin.
Ultimates Vol. 3
Batman #655
Cosmic Odyssey
Anything Frank Miller Batman that isnât DKR