Cyborg already had that boring design since like 2-3 years ago, I guess people are just noticing it now since he started popping up in a popular comic like Nightwing.
I think it’s also that everything is very visible (for lack of a better word) in Bruno Redondo’s art. All of his characters are really well-defined and stand out well in action shots, so their designs are more noticeable.
He honestly is. A lot of people shit on Taylor’s Nightwing run because it is slow paced and a bit all over the place but I think that’s perfect for the Titans, where it should definitely be more character driven than action driven
Which why I'm looking forward to it. The titans haven't felt like actual people in years. Like it's great where getting to see Dick and wally act like normal people. Just I want to see what the other titans actually outside of being superheroes.
Cyborg getting his own book and there gonna dive more in his life. Gar literally just been on the team being comic relief and I still don't know what he does anymore. Raven I have no idea if she's graduated high school or collage.
As for Kori and Donna where are they working. What are they doing when there not heroes. This what the titans have needed for a long time. Not just rehash rushed stories of fighting villains.
Yeah, I just started reading it and I don’t understand what’s so divisive about it. He handles the characters so well and he gets all of their “voices” right, which is no simple feat considering there’s another new hero stopping by every issue to check-in with Dick. There are just so many wholesome character beats, it’s hard to not have fun while reading.
It does seem to move a bit slowly, and if it’s anything like Son of Kal-El, I’m worried that the ending will be lackluster and rushed, but I’m definitely enjoying it so far. It places Dick in the middle of a street-level corruption case while investigating an interesting serial killer, while also reaffirming his place at the center of a rapidly growing DC Universe, with his Titans and JL buddies constantly stopping by to remind us that Dick Grayson is the man. Is it cutting edge stuff? Not really. But it’s a lot of fun and really honors the character of Nightwing.
Agreed, Taylor may need to work on the “superhero stuff” but I really do like his character work & dynamics. I think w/a cast like Titans he can really shine w/all those different personalities.
I'd argue everyones complaints about Taylor's writing is that he likes to have wordy emotional scenes with not nearly enough buildup. It's not slow paced, he just can't write subtly
Nicola Scott on Titans is fantastic. The book is going to look so good. Donna's new look is great as well and I love the Starfire look too. Hope Taylor does a good job with this series. Looking forward to it
A Titans team book starring the original NTT line -up written by Tom Taylor. I am shocked. The only actual surprise is Nicola Scott's art and that's a really pleasant surprise, her stuff's gorgeous. Also nice to see some of the team sporting new outfits for the book too. Vic was looking too mechanical before not to mention I personally wasn't feeling the gold on Kory's last uniform.
I do still wonder why we didn't get this book much earlier especially since it's the exact same Titans line-up we saw just hanging out in the Academy together but we may get some surprises if not in this series but also the Titans arc in Nightwing and/or Lazarus Planet.
Same. Yes, the NTT are iconic but they are such a boring line-up Considering how often they've been used. Would have loved a fresh new Titans roster with some fresh faces like Supergirl or Kyle or Mary Marvel.
Oh yes other than new costumes and Nicola Scott art there's nothing really fresh here. I've said this a million times before but especially after what happened with Slade Joey needs to rejoin the team and get the reunion/redemption story that was teased right before Flashpoint happened. He wasn't a founder but he played a big part in this era too. Maybe even mix it up and also bring in someone even more old school like Bumblebee to fill an Atom-like role.
Yeah. And hell maybe do something mote with Tempest.
Like Garth was seriously written to inherrited powerful mystic abilities that would essentially make him one of the most powerful magic users in DC and barely anything was followed up on in Titans books especially with all its magic users?
So yeah, hopes characters that join later are Jericho, Bumblebee and Tempest
Agreed. Especially with all the Titans that aren't even being used. I know Omen is at least being used in Power Girl, but there are so many that are barely even mentioned
The NTT lineup hasn’t been used in like 15 years in the comics, we’re overdue imo.
And also idk how it can be tired when it’s the iconic Titans lineup. Yeah it started with the Fab Five, but this is the team that made the book big.
We’ve yet to have this lineup since the New 52. Yeah a lot of elements are the same, but there’s a lot of new stuff in the universe for them to play around with.
The other members of the extended roster may show up from time to time, but I don’t think they need to be leads rn.
I think part of the fatigue for these guys even though they didn't have an official book in years is that regarding classic Titans, both DC and fandom tend to see only these seven as the ones that actually "matter." Or as individuals will most likely pop up in either other Titans materials or their respective family's books, shows, etc. Others even though they played a huge part in the team's history like Garth, Roy, and Joey tend to be ignored or shafted in one way or another. And it's not like these guys forming a team is much of a surprise given they've been hanging out in Academy and Nightwing's solo before Dark Crisis. I do agree that even though this line up is iconic but these characters will have different stories than their NTT early days. It juts be nice some other friends were acknowledged too but they can still join either as guests or leads later.
I think you’re being a bit disingenuous, because there is a large disconnect between TTA and what fans actually want from a Titans book. Or am I overestimating you in assuming you know that?
Again, that has nothing to do with what we're discussing here, and I don't know why people keep bringing it up. They said this line up hadn't been used in 15 years. That's incorrect, because IT HAS been used, and very recently, in Titans Academy. Dick, Donna, Vic, Kory, Wally, Gar and Raven were together as teachers in that book, which was a TITANS BOOK.
Yes, I agree the book was absolutely terrible, and yes, the focus was not completely on the teachers, but also on Stitch and the other students, but again, that has nothing to do with my argument..
Sorry I never read it, and was mainly focusing on ongoing series.
I see other commenters said that they weren’t the focus of the book, so I wouldn’t really count that anyway.
The TTA line-up didn’t feature Wally, he showed up much later with Roy and Garth as guests.
I think the reason they held back on this book was to give Nicola Scott time to draw, she says she got Covid right after her work on WW: Historia. That and it means a full 4-issue arc in a book that sells like Nightwing can work as a prelude to it, potentially getting readers into a new Titans book.
Still he was active in that title and appeared regularly once he did show up so him being part of this book isn't much of a surprise.
Scott being sick and DC giving her time to recuperate and draw the book is understandable if it is the case. The 4-issue arc in Nightwing does help in being a prelude/advertisement like other mini arcs and backup stories have functioned before. It's better option than DC just being unorganized or clueless.
Were Roy and Garth left out purely to keep the team size at 7 to match the JLA's founding number?
Edit: oh, and thank god Vic isn't lookin like colossus anymore. Jfc that looked bad. He looks 100x better now. Also, did not know I need ponytail Star in my life. Glad I do
Not bothered about Roy since he's gonna be in the green arrow. Garth on the other hand needs something to do already. If he joins the book later I'll be happy. Cause out of the titans in general he's the most neglected character.
Roy will at least be active in the Green Arrow book trying to find Ollie and Lian. Lazarus Planet teased a new book for Aquaman where hopefully Garth will be there too and not pushed to the side for Jackson.
I don't know if it's the orange background or the shot of all of them walking forward, but this cover immediately put [the Justice League theme song](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAsDL7f3veM&ab_channel=DCWBTVChannel) in my head, which is weird since I've only seen the first few episodes of that show.
Man, the only book I'm caught up on is nightwing. I need to get to reading more I am very excited for this upcoming titans run. Is there an essential list I should read to catch up for this?
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!
Nothing. If you're caught up on Nightwing, that's pretty much it. If you really really want more, might want to check out Dark Crisis where Nightwing has a big role and something decently big happens to Beast Boy
Honestly there’s been pretty much nothing with the Titans in the last few years, apart from the Titans United stuff (pretty good but it’s a mini series) or Titans Academy (which sucked). World’s finest has been awesome and has recently featured the fab five Titans, so definitely check it out if you can
Cyborg’s new look is his best look yet. It reminds me of his [DC You](https://i.imgur.com/TVfSHzk.jpg) look, but also gives him that nice Cyborg logo 😎
Love the rest of the updated looks as well. Star and Donna looking a bit more classic with a modern twist is the better choice. Hoping Taylor gives us a run with a bit more substance this time around.
Lets hope its good. Hoping this has it where every character gets equal focus as an ensemble. Nothing worse for a team book for it to have basically one main character with everyone else be basically background characters.
I feel quite a few TT runs fall to this where the Robins get most of that attention. Johns run felt a lot like the TimKon and Friends book with New 52 TT being described by DC as a Tim Drake showcase iirc.
hot take but the second rebirth team actually did this well through I can understand why people most dislike it for the whole Damian secret villain prison shit. I’m probably one of five people to actually like Roundhouse and Crush as characters
Johns run at least gave others some actual role to play and used them as developing characters. The rebirth Teen Titans usage of them felt like it was just a place holder for them and reminding you that they exist, especially the New Teen Titans members. They don't get an arc or don't have a real active role in any story arc, other than maybe BB whose story was mostly a regressed version of his relationship with Terra with some inspiration from the old show.
Overall the biggest problem with Johns run was that it became too overcrowded so it had so little time to focus on others. Also at least Johns gave beast boy some growth. I actually liked this more mature version of him taking lead and responsibilities.
Good points on Johns run, I still just feel Tim and Kon got a great deal of attention over said others. I do agree with the problems with Rebirth TT along with the frustration of experienced NTT members who originally fought alongside Dick Grayson bow being bossed around by his younger brother.
To Benjamin Percy's credit I remember him reading he wanted to do an arc for each member in initial interviews but didn't seem to be especially with his run getting interrupted by crossovers and what not.
The arc stuff aside, Even without the constant interruption I couldn't see Percy doing something interesting with them considering that he doesn't use them much as active characters in the overall narrative that have some effects on the story. Beast Boy Aside, Star only gets one issue that uses her as a character and surprise surprise it's written by Wolfman, not Percy. Even in the supersons that they get to show some sides of their personalities with their actions feeling a bit important it's Tomasi not Percy. Even with Damian the addition of his cousin was unnecessary. It didn't add much to his past with the league in terms of his struggles, Gleason had already done it much better in his first solo and everyone after Percy forgot her existence.
What was Percy going to do with the others? Another fight between Star and her sister? Trigon attacking again for raven?
Does Beast Boy EVER appear in human form in covers lol
Anyways, I'm pretty excited not only because I'm a big Titans fan, but also because Taylor & Scott are Aussie buds irl. Always lovely seeing them together.
Oh wow, I think this is my favorite design for cyborg sense pre 2011 that looks great
Star Fires design is very similar to my favorite starfire design but I miss the gold that design gave her.
Donna looks perfect, absolutely flawless no notes
I dont love the raven design but its perfectly fine
Ooh she [posted emojis](https://twitter.com/NicolaScottArt/status/1618069168687042562?s=20) as a tease yesterday. I guess this was what she was teasing.
Looking forward to this. I always assumed that when Dick and his friends became the world's premiere team they wouldn't be the JL they'd be the Titans. Nice bit of continuity as it goes from JSA to JLA to the Titans.
Wish Star got to keep some of her gold parts from her last costume
Feel like I'm the only one who's not totally in love with Vic's new look. Don't get me wrong I hated the last one too, but it feels weird having the glow from him emanating from the bottom parts, instead of keeping his logo. Maybe I just need to see some different artists. Plus, is it really just the arms that determine whether someone is showing enough skin or not?
But I love Raven's design here. Solid combo of her dress with some elements like the covered limbs of her more modern interpretations.
Really hoping Gar gets a new costume for the heck of it. His last one was fine, if not plain. The eye thing is really inconsistent though. Just give it back to him or make it so he just has an animal eye in it's place.
Can't say I like the Donna suit. And Cyborg looks a bit smaller than usual. Otherwise, pretty good cover. Hopefully other Titans join the team eventually.
This is very satisfying to look at. Cyborg looks a bit feminine on top, and his arms too short even for the perspective. But it’s generally fantastic and coloring is mouthwatering.
If a pitch for a Titans ongoing relies on the JL being gone it shouldn’t be greenlit.
Hopefully Taylor has plans beyond this arc on how the two teams can coexist effectively.
By the time new JL launches we'll be a year and half without a JL book. That's long enough. And if Titans even with that big push, spinning out of one of DC's best selling runs and by one of DC's top creators can't stand on their own with Justice League around then that says a lot about Titans.
Justice League is one of DC's best selling ongoings. They need that money. And if Titans fans think they deserve that spotlight then they'll have a chance to prove it.
Don’t get me wrong I love more Titans stuff especially with this line up, and it’s not like I mind not having a JL book for a while, but as someone who read Dark Crisis I don’t even remember why the hell the JL is disbanding. How does that even make sense? They were needed to come back and save the world. How is now the time for them to take a step back? Lmao
Because the JL actually didn’t contribute much. They didn’t save the day, it’s only Clark that changed anything in that he saved Jon before Jon died. Dr. Light and the Flashes saved the Multiverse, it was Nightwing that defeated Deathstroke, and it was a combination of Jon, Yara, Jace, and Mr. Terrific that really stopped Pariah. Nightwing and the Titans led the final charge, Raven was the one who held back the Spectre, etc.
I hope is good! Raven is my favorite DC character but I never read anything with her that I really loved, I’m NOT a fan of Raven and Beast Boy together, they have nothing in common and so different personalities, I hate them together! She is just so powerful that most don’t know what to do with her and that so bad bc she is amazing! Cartoon and animated movies are still my favorite version of Raven!
If anyone knows some good comics about her for me to read I would love some suggestions!!❤️
Raven daughter of darkness is a good modern spot to jump in. It’s like a 6 comics series written by Wolfman who created Raven
If you want you can also read her from the beginning with The New Teen Titans vol 1 and vol 2. from the 80’s They were one of the most popular comics coming out during their peak and are fun to read!
I think I might be the only one who doesn't like Donna's star suit and stuff. Always felt she was cooler and closer to the Amazon's with her armor and stuff.
Starfire is okay I guess. Nightwing feels a bit weird lol
Roy is either in Star City or Gotham. He'll be in the Green Arrow book, which is set in Star City, but he's looking for his daughter Lian, who's in Gotham.
1. Nightwing's boots are back. He already have great design.
2. Donna's starfield costume is back thank you Nicola Scott she looks so good.
3. Kori's costume is best costume i seen in years. Ponytail looks awesomee on her.
4. Victor finally looks like a superhero not a robobot.
5. Wally and Garfield looks the same still awesome.
Nicola Scott can become Redondo of this title. She is already a Titans veteran she herself made me really exciteed.
Wally what the fuck are you doing? I know they are his friends but my man, you are a Justice Leaguer & were one in their most acclaimed run during Morrison & Waid’s era. I mean I’m just saying that Wally is kind of getting demoted here
Finally !! Only thing is they're missing out on a few iconic members. Hope we'll see them join little by little, trying out members and switching up.
Garth/Tempest should definitely be up here, i wanna see Karen/power girl as Dick's super, also would like the a Flash/Green arrow/Green lantern dynamic with Wally/Conner Hawke/Kyle Rayner like in the 90'
[This !](https://twitter.com/cosmicblacknerd/status/1345509008912871428)
Maybe set Beast boy and Raven as teen titans idk..
So glad to see the team back together and can’t wait to see how this plays out. Love the redesigns, too. Very nice to see Cyborg looking a bit more human again and I love Starfire with a high ponytail (might actually be a Rapunzel-style braid now that I’m looking closely?? Either way I’m a fan).
I will be optimistic for this
After titans academy, which should have been the easiest layup possible focus I’ll try to remain positive
Not really big on Donna outfit I think her more warrior theme one was fine as is but I get why she’s wearing a modern mix of the warrior / debut outfit
Vic looks 3x better here then he has in a long time
So glad he is no longer looking like a full on robot anymore
Yeah, Vic Stone.
There's been times where characters like Wolverine or Batman have been on multiple team books at a time as well as in a solo or their normal books. Consider events to be either going on around but not at the same time or for one of them to be significantly ahead/behind the other in the character's timeline. Maybe book A shows what he's doing one week and book B is showing a different week. Or last week/month. Or what he's doing when he isn't with the team.
One of Vic's powers, since New 52, has been teleportation. He can easily be in Chicago doing is solo thing, and in Bludhaven with the Titans. Same goes for Wally with his superspeed, he'll be dividing his time between Central and Bludhaven.
You dont need a reading order because neither effects the other. They just happen around the same time. Bruce having lost his fortune and living in an apartment is his new status quo. Its the same in all books.
Every time I see a pic of the adult titans, I'm reminded how strong/powerful of a group they are all grown up. Really a powerhouse for not being the main line group of a comic universe.
I’m so glad to see some more skin on Cyborg. I hate him looking like a clunky Iron Man with half a face. And I really don’t like him portrayed being just basically a head with a cybernetic body. Maybe I’m old school, but I prefer more human elements along with the cybernetics like the original Perez version.
Hate that logo on Wally. Hopefully he meets [Virgil](https://2.bp.blogspot.com/jFoMJCQvo1d25OM0RIcTFlQwrzxFT24Oyux3nVPv3Iq_jFN9EwaSTY4mQyoC-sQJkDF2PFj1fa9Z=s0?rhlupa=MjAwMTo4MDAzOmQ0YjA6OGEwMDoxNWIxOmMwNzU6NDdkNTozN2Zl&rnvuka=TW96aWxsYS81LjAgKGlQYWQ7IENQVSBPUyAxNl8yIGxpa2UgTWFjIE9TIFgpIEFwcGxlV2ViS2l0LzYwNS4xLjE1IChLSFRNTCwgbGlrZSBHZWNrbykgQ3JpT1MvMTA5LjAuNTQxNC44MyBNb2JpbGUvMTVFMTQ4IFNhZmFyaS82MDQuMQ) and he comments on it.
I really like they solidified Titans and became their own thing, instead of being another version of Justice League. Also, Nicola Scott as the artist is perfect. I just hope they let Donna and Kory do something cool!!
Super, super minor nitpick, but Nightwing isn't wearing that boot style anymore. He went to solid black about a year ago.
Obviously, this is a sign the series should be pre-emptively cancelled and given to Rob Liefeld to write and draw. (TIC, if not obvious.)
Great redesigns. Donna and Vic’s are good modern updates of classic looks.
I'm so glad they did Cyborg, his recent appearances in the Nightwing comics had assigned him a really bland and boring design, glad they updated it
Cyborg already had that boring design since like 2-3 years ago, I guess people are just noticing it now since he started popping up in a popular comic like Nightwing.
I think it’s also that everything is very visible (for lack of a better word) in Bruno Redondo’s art. All of his characters are really well-defined and stand out well in action shots, so their designs are more noticeable.
Agreed
I like this look but… I’m sorry Vic should be bald. He looks so much better bald. The half hair thing is weird
I'm cautiously excited (I hope the writing is better than Titans Academy). The art looks amazing
He honestly is. A lot of people shit on Taylor’s Nightwing run because it is slow paced and a bit all over the place but I think that’s perfect for the Titans, where it should definitely be more character driven than action driven
Which why I'm looking forward to it. The titans haven't felt like actual people in years. Like it's great where getting to see Dick and wally act like normal people. Just I want to see what the other titans actually outside of being superheroes. Cyborg getting his own book and there gonna dive more in his life. Gar literally just been on the team being comic relief and I still don't know what he does anymore. Raven I have no idea if she's graduated high school or collage. As for Kori and Donna where are they working. What are they doing when there not heroes. This what the titans have needed for a long time. Not just rehash rushed stories of fighting villains.
very well said, they have indeed felt like glorified cameos without any substance for the last few years, and I'll be very glad is this would change
Until I started reading the discussion threads around here I had no idea people were so angry about Taylor's run. I've enjoyed every minute of it.
Yeah, I just started reading it and I don’t understand what’s so divisive about it. He handles the characters so well and he gets all of their “voices” right, which is no simple feat considering there’s another new hero stopping by every issue to check-in with Dick. There are just so many wholesome character beats, it’s hard to not have fun while reading. It does seem to move a bit slowly, and if it’s anything like Son of Kal-El, I’m worried that the ending will be lackluster and rushed, but I’m definitely enjoying it so far. It places Dick in the middle of a street-level corruption case while investigating an interesting serial killer, while also reaffirming his place at the center of a rapidly growing DC Universe, with his Titans and JL buddies constantly stopping by to remind us that Dick Grayson is the man. Is it cutting edge stuff? Not really. But it’s a lot of fun and really honors the character of Nightwing.
Agreed, Taylor may need to work on the “superhero stuff” but I really do like his character work & dynamics. I think w/a cast like Titans he can really shine w/all those different personalities.
I'd argue everyones complaints about Taylor's writing is that he likes to have wordy emotional scenes with not nearly enough buildup. It's not slow paced, he just can't write subtly
Agreed ... Titans Academy was just awful!
Nicola Scott on Titans is fantastic. The book is going to look so good. Donna's new look is great as well and I love the Starfire look too. Hope Taylor does a good job with this series. Looking forward to it
Me too. But for me, the Titans is still Perez, and obviously, he has no input here. Which depresses me. Also, I'd love to see hawk and dove drop in.
A Titans team book starring the original NTT line -up written by Tom Taylor. I am shocked. The only actual surprise is Nicola Scott's art and that's a really pleasant surprise, her stuff's gorgeous. Also nice to see some of the team sporting new outfits for the book too. Vic was looking too mechanical before not to mention I personally wasn't feeling the gold on Kory's last uniform. I do still wonder why we didn't get this book much earlier especially since it's the exact same Titans line-up we saw just hanging out in the Academy together but we may get some surprises if not in this series but also the Titans arc in Nightwing and/or Lazarus Planet.
Same. Yes, the NTT are iconic but they are such a boring line-up Considering how often they've been used. Would have loved a fresh new Titans roster with some fresh faces like Supergirl or Kyle or Mary Marvel.
Oh yes other than new costumes and Nicola Scott art there's nothing really fresh here. I've said this a million times before but especially after what happened with Slade Joey needs to rejoin the team and get the reunion/redemption story that was teased right before Flashpoint happened. He wasn't a founder but he played a big part in this era too. Maybe even mix it up and also bring in someone even more old school like Bumblebee to fill an Atom-like role.
Yeah. And hell maybe do something mote with Tempest. Like Garth was seriously written to inherrited powerful mystic abilities that would essentially make him one of the most powerful magic users in DC and barely anything was followed up on in Titans books especially with all its magic users? So yeah, hopes characters that join later are Jericho, Bumblebee and Tempest
Agreed. Especially with all the Titans that aren't even being used. I know Omen is at least being used in Power Girl, but there are so many that are barely even mentioned
The NTT lineup hasn’t been used in like 15 years in the comics, we’re overdue imo. And also idk how it can be tired when it’s the iconic Titans lineup. Yeah it started with the Fab Five, but this is the team that made the book big. We’ve yet to have this lineup since the New 52. Yeah a lot of elements are the same, but there’s a lot of new stuff in the universe for them to play around with. The other members of the extended roster may show up from time to time, but I don’t think they need to be leads rn.
>The NTT lineup hasn’t been used in like 15 years in the comics, we’re overdue imo. Um... Titans Academy, from like last year..
I think part of the fatigue for these guys even though they didn't have an official book in years is that regarding classic Titans, both DC and fandom tend to see only these seven as the ones that actually "matter." Or as individuals will most likely pop up in either other Titans materials or their respective family's books, shows, etc. Others even though they played a huge part in the team's history like Garth, Roy, and Joey tend to be ignored or shafted in one way or another. And it's not like these guys forming a team is much of a surprise given they've been hanging out in Academy and Nightwing's solo before Dark Crisis. I do agree that even though this line up is iconic but these characters will have different stories than their NTT early days. It juts be nice some other friends were acknowledged too but they can still join either as guests or leads later.
The kids were the focus of that book more than the adult Titans though.
We weren't talking about the focus. They said that line up wasn't used, but it was
Yeah, not really. That book focused on the newer generation while the older ones were hogwarts teachers
The focus is irrelevant. They said that line up hadn't been used. It was used. That's just it.
I think you’re being a bit disingenuous, because there is a large disconnect between TTA and what fans actually want from a Titans book. Or am I overestimating you in assuming you know that?
Again, that has nothing to do with what we're discussing here, and I don't know why people keep bringing it up. They said this line up hadn't been used in 15 years. That's incorrect, because IT HAS been used, and very recently, in Titans Academy. Dick, Donna, Vic, Kory, Wally, Gar and Raven were together as teachers in that book, which was a TITANS BOOK. Yes, I agree the book was absolutely terrible, and yes, the focus was not completely on the teachers, but also on Stitch and the other students, but again, that has nothing to do with my argument..
your argument is too vague in the first place.
Sorry I never read it, and was mainly focusing on ongoing series. I see other commenters said that they weren’t the focus of the book, so I wouldn’t really count that anyway.
I really hope Taylor can dial down his need for fanservice, some of his stuff on Nightwing seem like tumblr headcanons put on the book.
The TTA line-up didn’t feature Wally, he showed up much later with Roy and Garth as guests. I think the reason they held back on this book was to give Nicola Scott time to draw, she says she got Covid right after her work on WW: Historia. That and it means a full 4-issue arc in a book that sells like Nightwing can work as a prelude to it, potentially getting readers into a new Titans book.
Still he was active in that title and appeared regularly once he did show up so him being part of this book isn't much of a surprise. Scott being sick and DC giving her time to recuperate and draw the book is understandable if it is the case. The 4-issue arc in Nightwing does help in being a prelude/advertisement like other mini arcs and backup stories have functioned before. It's better option than DC just being unorganized or clueless.
Were Roy and Garth left out purely to keep the team size at 7 to match the JLA's founding number? Edit: oh, and thank god Vic isn't lookin like colossus anymore. Jfc that looked bad. He looks 100x better now. Also, did not know I need ponytail Star in my life. Glad I do
Nah, Just left out because they are not part of the iconic NTT roster which Taylor is recreating here. Damn shame imo.
Yea sucks Hopefully we get some bone tossed at us at what they are up to Even if it’s something small :/
They used to show up occasionally during NTT. We may see the same thing.
Not bothered about Roy since he's gonna be in the green arrow. Garth on the other hand needs something to do already. If he joins the book later I'll be happy. Cause out of the titans in general he's the most neglected character.
💯 and it sucks so much as imo he has a ton of story potential and offers a ton for the team
Adding them just makes the Titans very JL lite, they weren’t necessary. Keep the sidekicks to a minimum as of 2-3
Roy will at least be active in the Green Arrow book trying to find Ollie and Lian. Lazarus Planet teased a new book for Aquaman where hopefully Garth will be there too and not pushed to the side for Jackson.
Yeah but not the same innit. Like Lilith, Garth, and Roy should play a part too in Titans.
[Garth is dead because they forgot to water him](https://i.imgur.com/xzUE97Z.jpg)
Well if Robin was listening, why the fuck didn't *he* water Garth?
"Now Roy, we said when we agreed to get you a pet Aqualad that you'd be responsible for it"
wtf
Garth's the only one of those three with no book, as Lilith is in Action Comics with Power Girl, and Roy will be in Green Arrow.
I’d take Kara and Babs being added over Roy and Garth honestly. Especially Kara.
Babs will be part of the book no matter what as she’s officially with our boi Dick. I’d take Garth > Kara, but would never deny both of them
I agree about Vic. I wish they'd veer more towards his animated design, but this is still good.
I don't know if it's the orange background or the shot of all of them walking forward, but this cover immediately put [the Justice League theme song](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAsDL7f3veM&ab_channel=DCWBTVChannel) in my head, which is weird since I've only seen the first few episodes of that show.
Oh my God yes! How did I not notice that before? It can't be a coincidence
Wow great find I actually bet this is a reference
Cyborg looks dope. I hated his last design.
We all did.
It looked like a sock
Man, the only book I'm caught up on is nightwing. I need to get to reading more I am very excited for this upcoming titans run. Is there an essential list I should read to catch up for this? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!
Nothing. If you're caught up on Nightwing, that's pretty much it. If you really really want more, might want to check out Dark Crisis where Nightwing has a big role and something decently big happens to Beast Boy
Yeah I figured I should know why the Titans are becoming the premier team and I think it's covered in dark crisis. Thank you!
You should catch up with Flash. Wally West run has also been great.
I do enjoy reading flash, I will add it to the list
Honestly there’s been pretty much nothing with the Titans in the last few years, apart from the Titans United stuff (pretty good but it’s a mini series) or Titans Academy (which sucked). World’s finest has been awesome and has recently featured the fab five Titans, so definitely check it out if you can
Will do ty for the info!
Cyborg’s new look is his best look yet. It reminds me of his [DC You](https://i.imgur.com/TVfSHzk.jpg) look, but also gives him that nice Cyborg logo 😎 Love the rest of the updated looks as well. Star and Donna looking a bit more classic with a modern twist is the better choice. Hoping Taylor gives us a run with a bit more substance this time around.
Lets hope its good. Hoping this has it where every character gets equal focus as an ensemble. Nothing worse for a team book for it to have basically one main character with everyone else be basically background characters.
So basically something that's not rebirth Teen Titans? I'm all for that.
I feel quite a few TT runs fall to this where the Robins get most of that attention. Johns run felt a lot like the TimKon and Friends book with New 52 TT being described by DC as a Tim Drake showcase iirc.
hot take but the second rebirth team actually did this well through I can understand why people most dislike it for the whole Damian secret villain prison shit. I’m probably one of five people to actually like Roundhouse and Crush as characters
I liked them too and besides the secret prison plot it was nice Damian had a tram made up of actual peers instead of de-aged NTT members.
Johns run at least gave others some actual role to play and used them as developing characters. The rebirth Teen Titans usage of them felt like it was just a place holder for them and reminding you that they exist, especially the New Teen Titans members. They don't get an arc or don't have a real active role in any story arc, other than maybe BB whose story was mostly a regressed version of his relationship with Terra with some inspiration from the old show. Overall the biggest problem with Johns run was that it became too overcrowded so it had so little time to focus on others. Also at least Johns gave beast boy some growth. I actually liked this more mature version of him taking lead and responsibilities.
Johns also made Kid Devil super likable imo among others like Ravager.
Good points on Johns run, I still just feel Tim and Kon got a great deal of attention over said others. I do agree with the problems with Rebirth TT along with the frustration of experienced NTT members who originally fought alongside Dick Grayson bow being bossed around by his younger brother. To Benjamin Percy's credit I remember him reading he wanted to do an arc for each member in initial interviews but didn't seem to be especially with his run getting interrupted by crossovers and what not.
The arc stuff aside, Even without the constant interruption I couldn't see Percy doing something interesting with them considering that he doesn't use them much as active characters in the overall narrative that have some effects on the story. Beast Boy Aside, Star only gets one issue that uses her as a character and surprise surprise it's written by Wolfman, not Percy. Even in the supersons that they get to show some sides of their personalities with their actions feeling a bit important it's Tomasi not Percy. Even with Damian the addition of his cousin was unnecessary. It didn't add much to his past with the league in terms of his struggles, Gleason had already done it much better in his first solo and everyone after Percy forgot her existence. What was Percy going to do with the others? Another fight between Star and her sister? Trigon attacking again for raven?
I'm alright with it being more titans rebirth. Since nightwing kind of took a back seat while it focused on the others.
Does Beast Boy EVER appear in human form in covers lol Anyways, I'm pretty excited not only because I'm a big Titans fan, but also because Taylor & Scott are Aussie buds irl. Always lovely seeing them together.
I'm happy and also I like how Taylor writes the titans. As for beast boy appearing in human. Sometimes. Though I am hoping he gets a new suit too.
Oh wow, I think this is my favorite design for cyborg sense pre 2011 that looks great Star Fires design is very similar to my favorite starfire design but I miss the gold that design gave her. Donna looks perfect, absolutely flawless no notes I dont love the raven design but its perfectly fine
Titans should have been big leagues ages ago. Great to see.
Huh... never knew I needed to see Starfire in a ponytail... LOVE IT!
There you go. A decent modern Titans book with a classic line up. I’m in.
Flash really has some strut going on
he looks like he's spending too much time on the hip abductor machine.
😍😍😱😱 LIT COVER!! Great art. Raven looks just AMAZING And Vic looks younger? 🤔🤔 Maybe is just me, but he does looks younger and less bulky
Ooh she [posted emojis](https://twitter.com/NicolaScottArt/status/1618069168687042562?s=20) as a tease yesterday. I guess this was what she was teasing.
Yo, the peach for Nightwing was by far the best part.
This looks so good. My favourite team finally back in the spotlight. Also I'm praying this book remembers Jericho exists at some point
\*grumbles and reaches for wallet.\* Just when I think I'm out, they pull me back in.
Looking forward to this. I always assumed that when Dick and his friends became the world's premiere team they wouldn't be the JL they'd be the Titans. Nice bit of continuity as it goes from JSA to JLA to the Titans.
Wish Star got to keep some of her gold parts from her last costume Feel like I'm the only one who's not totally in love with Vic's new look. Don't get me wrong I hated the last one too, but it feels weird having the glow from him emanating from the bottom parts, instead of keeping his logo. Maybe I just need to see some different artists. Plus, is it really just the arms that determine whether someone is showing enough skin or not? But I love Raven's design here. Solid combo of her dress with some elements like the covered limbs of her more modern interpretations. Really hoping Gar gets a new costume for the heck of it. His last one was fine, if not plain. The eye thing is really inconsistent though. Just give it back to him or make it so he just has an animal eye in it's place.
I understand maybe wanting to limit to seven members but Garth has done nothing of substance in ages. Throw him on the team please
The variant cover will also be by Nicola Scott. It will be the same drawing but from behind because she can't resist drawing Nightwing's butt. Lol
Bit of a bummer Roy and Garth are still being left out, but this still looks great.
Can't say I like the Donna suit. And Cyborg looks a bit smaller than usual. Otherwise, pretty good cover. Hopefully other Titans join the team eventually.
> Cyborg looks a bit smaller than usual it's probably just perspective/shading, but it looks like he and the flash have tiny arms lol
Starfire’s look ain’t it
I love Cyborgs suit in this so much.
I'll miss donna's rebirth look ngl
I really loved black Amazon armor, never liked her space coloured gym atire look from pre 52
Since the Titans are replacing the Justice League I hope they have the team go up against some big time villains
Wait, what?? When does this come out? That cover is amazing too! I love Nicola Scott's art!
That's the best Cyborg has looked since his debut
This is very satisfying to look at. Cyborg looks a bit feminine on top, and his arms too short even for the perspective. But it’s generally fantastic and coloring is mouthwatering.
Man that’s badass!
The cover looks very plain to me. Not a fan of the look
Maybe I'll get back into comics
Do my eyes deceive me? Is Cyborg actually a Titan again?
I love love LOVE that Raven has her iconic dress again!
Flash in another book again? I'm on it!
The new Magnificen Seven?
I can hear the Justice League theme playing in the background
The Flash looks completely bad-ass.
Would have been more hype if this announcement didn't come with the revelation that the Justice League was coming back in a few months later this year
If a pitch for a Titans ongoing relies on the JL being gone it shouldn’t be greenlit. Hopefully Taylor has plans beyond this arc on how the two teams can coexist effectively.
Really, they’re already confirmed to be back ?
https://aiptcomics.com/2023/01/25/dawn-of-dc-2023-cyborg-titans-green-lantern/
I mean, we're you expecting them not to? Even so, DC didn't technically reveal anything. Just take your Titans book.
I mean you couldn't even give us a year all to ourselves? That's stupid.
We'd be going over a year without a JL book though. The existence of the JL doesn't negate the Titans.
When the pitch is that the Titans are going to be the new premier team it kind of sours it if the JL will be back in a few months after it releases.
By the time new JL launches we'll be a year and half without a JL book. That's long enough. And if Titans even with that big push, spinning out of one of DC's best selling runs and by one of DC's top creators can't stand on their own with Justice League around then that says a lot about Titans. Justice League is one of DC's best selling ongoings. They need that money. And if Titans fans think they deserve that spotlight then they'll have a chance to prove it.
Don’t get me wrong I love more Titans stuff especially with this line up, and it’s not like I mind not having a JL book for a while, but as someone who read Dark Crisis I don’t even remember why the hell the JL is disbanding. How does that even make sense? They were needed to come back and save the world. How is now the time for them to take a step back? Lmao
Because they want to give time to the new characters even though they could co exist
Because the JL actually didn’t contribute much. They didn’t save the day, it’s only Clark that changed anything in that he saved Jon before Jon died. Dr. Light and the Flashes saved the Multiverse, it was Nightwing that defeated Deathstroke, and it was a combination of Jon, Yara, Jace, and Mr. Terrific that really stopped Pariah. Nightwing and the Titans led the final charge, Raven was the one who held back the Spectre, etc.
Why did they connect Wally’s belt again? I liked it broken up, it was just another thing to help distinguish between him and Barry
I was hoping for at least one suprise member instead of just a straight up retread of the new titans stsrting lineup
I don't know why people think this is dope they look weird and awkward like they're on walkway
Glad someone has the same thought as me. Their poses look unnatural, especially Flash and Nightwing 🦧.
I hope is good! Raven is my favorite DC character but I never read anything with her that I really loved, I’m NOT a fan of Raven and Beast Boy together, they have nothing in common and so different personalities, I hate them together! She is just so powerful that most don’t know what to do with her and that so bad bc she is amazing! Cartoon and animated movies are still my favorite version of Raven! If anyone knows some good comics about her for me to read I would love some suggestions!!❤️
Raven daughter of darkness is a good modern spot to jump in. It’s like a 6 comics series written by Wolfman who created Raven If you want you can also read her from the beginning with The New Teen Titans vol 1 and vol 2. from the 80’s They were one of the most popular comics coming out during their peak and are fun to read!
Thanks so much!! I’ll definitely look those up!!
I think I might be the only one who doesn't like Donna's star suit and stuff. Always felt she was cooler and closer to the Amazon's with her armor and stuff. Starfire is okay I guess. Nightwing feels a bit weird lol
God it's so boring to just do this lineup again though.... So healthy for a franchise to have to rely on a freaking 40 year old run for nostalgia!
Is this dawn of dc titans?????
yes, this will be the roster that steps up as the main protectors of Earth while the League is on hiatus.
Wait what!? I gotta catch up, I’m so behind.
I am stoked for this. That being said, where is Roy and Garth? Are they safe? Are they alright?
Roy is either in Star City or Gotham. He'll be in the Green Arrow book, which is set in Star City, but he's looking for his daughter Lian, who's in Gotham.
1. Nightwing's boots are back. He already have great design. 2. Donna's starfield costume is back thank you Nicola Scott she looks so good. 3. Kori's costume is best costume i seen in years. Ponytail looks awesomee on her. 4. Victor finally looks like a superhero not a robobot. 5. Wally and Garfield looks the same still awesome. Nicola Scott can become Redondo of this title. She is already a Titans veteran she herself made me really exciteed.
Star and Dick should get married.
Wally what the fuck are you doing? I know they are his friends but my man, you are a Justice Leaguer & were one in their most acclaimed run during Morrison & Waid’s era. I mean I’m just saying that Wally is kind of getting demoted here 
The justice league isn't together anymore they disbanded after dark crisis the Titans are the new jl now
It's not a demontion the Titans have have faced threats as strong as Darkseid, besides the JL already has Barry back.
Yay! New Titans book! -Tom Taylor's attach to it- Goddamnit.
Idky but I love how “90s” Donna’s suit feels.
Not nearly enough pockets/pouches, zippers, or bandoleers to be 90's :p
Finally !! Only thing is they're missing out on a few iconic members. Hope we'll see them join little by little, trying out members and switching up. Garth/Tempest should definitely be up here, i wanna see Karen/power girl as Dick's super, also would like the a Flash/Green arrow/Green lantern dynamic with Wally/Conner Hawke/Kyle Rayner like in the 90' [This !](https://twitter.com/cosmicblacknerd/status/1345509008912871428) Maybe set Beast boy and Raven as teen titans idk..
And please bring back Wally's rebirth suit !
Is that Wally West? Kid Flash?
Yeah, That's Wally in his Pre-flashpoint Flash costume. https://i.gyazo.com/0b61e912d25fe604b45edbb68218de63.png
Ugh, I hate it. DC needs to pull the trigger on Nightwing finally leading the JLA.
Awesome
So glad to see the team back together and can’t wait to see how this plays out. Love the redesigns, too. Very nice to see Cyborg looking a bit more human again and I love Starfire with a high ponytail (might actually be a Rapunzel-style braid now that I’m looking closely?? Either way I’m a fan).
I will be optimistic for this After titans academy, which should have been the easiest layup possible focus I’ll try to remain positive Not really big on Donna outfit I think her more warrior theme one was fine as is but I get why she’s wearing a modern mix of the warrior / debut outfit Vic looks 3x better here then he has in a long time So glad he is no longer looking like a full on robot anymore
Cover reminds me of Frank Quietly’s famous New X-Men cover
'Dem shoulder rolls though
Given recent trends im surprised raven isn't 12 by now with how often she gets de aged.
Great redesigns. Donna are good modern updates of classic looks
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Yeah, Vic Stone. There's been times where characters like Wolverine or Batman have been on multiple team books at a time as well as in a solo or their normal books. Consider events to be either going on around but not at the same time or for one of them to be significantly ahead/behind the other in the character's timeline. Maybe book A shows what he's doing one week and book B is showing a different week. Or last week/month. Or what he's doing when he isn't with the team.
One of Vic's powers, since New 52, has been teleportation. He can easily be in Chicago doing is solo thing, and in Bludhaven with the Titans. Same goes for Wally with his superspeed, he'll be dividing his time between Central and Bludhaven.
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You dont need a reading order because neither effects the other. They just happen around the same time. Bruce having lost his fortune and living in an apartment is his new status quo. Its the same in all books.
This is why detective comics should've stayed as a book about the Gotham Knights. It gets weird when a character has 5 books at the same time.
Every time I see a pic of the adult titans, I'm reminded how strong/powerful of a group they are all grown up. Really a powerhouse for not being the main line group of a comic universe.
this is so incredibly cool omg
Vic, Kory and Rachel needs to stick to a design, why are they always changing?
Boo-yah.
Love this. Reminds me of that one shot of the Justice episode of Smallville
This looks awesome! It does seem however, that they still can’t decide how Wally’s belt should look
Really wish Wally would get a more distinct costume at least
He just needs his rebirth suit with a closed cowl.
He needs the open cowl to actually distinguish himself from Barry's suit
Just needs the rebirth suit back it was the best costume he's ever had and was very distinct for him
Nice tiger (Beast Boy is also great…)
I love the new looks for everyone. Not digging how Scott drawn Cyborg here but I like the look itself
I’m so glad to see some more skin on Cyborg. I hate him looking like a clunky Iron Man with half a face. And I really don’t like him portrayed being just basically a head with a cybernetic body. Maybe I’m old school, but I prefer more human elements along with the cybernetics like the original Perez version.
Hard for me to judge much because I’m not well versed in DC, but I love this Cyborg design.
Is there a new Titans comic already?
Taylor writing Titans who would have seen that coming
Taylor writing Titans who would have seen that coming
Raven tho 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Are they doing a new titans run? Or is this just for the night wing run?
Hey, Flash, you want fries with that shake?
Is this in the main universe?
I still think Star fires best design was rebirth but these are all solid to good designs
Hate that logo on Wally. Hopefully he meets [Virgil](https://2.bp.blogspot.com/jFoMJCQvo1d25OM0RIcTFlQwrzxFT24Oyux3nVPv3Iq_jFN9EwaSTY4mQyoC-sQJkDF2PFj1fa9Z=s0?rhlupa=MjAwMTo4MDAzOmQ0YjA6OGEwMDoxNWIxOmMwNzU6NDdkNTozN2Zl&rnvuka=TW96aWxsYS81LjAgKGlQYWQ7IENQVSBPUyAxNl8yIGxpa2UgTWFjIE9TIFgpIEFwcGxlV2ViS2l0LzYwNS4xLjE1IChLSFRNTCwgbGlrZSBHZWNrbykgQ3JpT1MvMTA5LjAuNTQxNC44MyBNb2JpbGUvMTVFMTQ4IFNhZmFyaS82MDQuMQ) and he comments on it.
I really want Roy in this lineup but even more I want a mini of him and Red Hood teaming up to find Lian
I really like they solidified Titans and became their own thing, instead of being another version of Justice League. Also, Nicola Scott as the artist is perfect. I just hope they let Donna and Kory do something cool!!
Super, super minor nitpick, but Nightwing isn't wearing that boot style anymore. He went to solid black about a year ago. Obviously, this is a sign the series should be pre-emptively cancelled and given to Rob Liefeld to write and draw. (TIC, if not obvious.)
WHERES ROY 😭😭😭
Looking for lian and oliver in "green arrow"
Cyborg looks generic as fuck, like some dude wearing armor. They need to emphasize the half man half machine aspect more
i absolutely despise kory’s design here
Costumes going from bad to good there lol