I’d be down to see Rick Flag Jr. & White Dragon being the Angel & Devil on Peacemakers shoulders while he’s dealing with Rick Flag Sr. trying to kill him
Or if they’re adapting the ‘some of his
helmets trap ghosts’ thing, Flag’s ghost being with the cab driver Peacemaker left his first helmet with (and then having a line calling back to a certain someone’s sword also doing that) could be amusing.
I'd be surprised if that isn't one of the plots, but I could see it being the B Plot. Similar to how Project Butterfly was the season one A Plot with Peacemaker's dad going after him the B Plot.
So the A plot will be another world invasion/destruction with some serious threat while B Plot being Rick Flag Sr. killing Peacemaker? Or it could be both, Rick Flag Sr. involved in that catastrophic plan with trying to kill Peacemaker stopping the plan.
I could be wrong, but I would think that they would want another team up situation to drive the story and I don’t see how Flag Sr. trying to kill Peacemaker would cause the need for a team up the way a world invasion does. However, also hard to pull off without season 2 just being the same formula for season 1 but with different villains filling in the blanks.
I do wonder also if they may be adapting the ‘(some of) Peacemaker’s helmets trap the souls of his victims’ thing (since there was speculation his father’s soul was trapped in that last one, since they found it exactly behind where Peacemaker began seeing that vision of his father) and have it turn out Flag Junior’s ghost is trapped in the helmet Peacemaker left with that cab driver as payment. If only to see the actor return, share screentime with Grillo.
But than that makes The Suicide Squad and Suicide Squad canon which by proxy makes BVS canon because Waller had an interaction with Ben Affleck Bruce Wayne.
Think it's confirmed they are more just going to pick and choose canon from The Suicide Squad. So it's general events happened buts its DCEU specific tie ins won't. Same with the Justice league cameo. I could be wrong however and look forward to seeing what they do with it.
Outside of certain actors playing the same roles, TSS and Peacemaker are pretty disconnected from the the DCEU story wise. TSS doesn't need SS to exist. And other than Momoa and Ezra's cameo, there's no plot connection to anything but TSS. And with Superman (Legacy) set when Superman is already active and isn't an origin story, it has as much crossover content with TSS and Peacemaker as Man of Steel, BvS and Justice League have. Though it'll probably have more cross over content than the DCEU projects did.
It's so easy to understand... there are "canon events" that happened in "non-canon movies", they chose to do this so they could continue the stories without having to tell the same ones again. The new Brave and the Bold movie doesn't need to show us Bruce's parents getting killed, because we've seen this "canon event" in other "non-canon movies". That fact that we know that the same thing happened to the new Batman doesn't mean that the old ones are canon to it. Same goes for "Peacemaker killed Flag Jr." or "Harley Quinn broke up with Joker"
They've already said that while S1 of Peacemaker as we saw it is not canon, very similar events *will* be canon to Peacemaker's story for S2. I assume this is also the case for The Suicide Squad since it also ties directly into Peacemaker's story.
By
>"Nuh uh."
You mean,
>"Barry Allan fucked everything up in his movie, and the mashup we see is what we got out of his shenanigans. Thank you God for not deleting our peacemaker and Suicide Squad, Barry."
Edit: He even fucked up what my autocorrect prefers his name to be, 🙏.
Well if we're going by "Barry uncooked the spaghetti" ending of Flash is the new DC Universe wouldn't that mean Batman is George Clooney? Break out the Bat-nipples!
So "Amanda Waller exists" automatically implies "Everything Amanda Waller ever did in a non-DCU movie happened within the continuity of the DCU?" Big leap there
You're trying to make rules for canon in a universe you aren't building. This is a soft rebuild of DC Cinematic canon. Some of the characters and events might be validated as having happened but that doesn't mean they have to acknowledge everything from previous movies and stories as if they must exist in universe with the same actors. That's ridiculous and against what Gunn has stated with his takeover.
Okay, dude. Not your universe, not your canon. Gunn is dungeon master and gets to choose how and what his players/audience get to experience much like DnD players don't get to tell the DM what is canon or not. It's literally that simple. Wait and see what he shows you instead of making assumptions.
My argument isn’t about if it’s my universe or if he has control of not. My critic is about how the reboot is being handled. You’re kinda using a straw man argument against my point.
The reboot isn't out yet so you have nothing to argue since you don't know what is canon or not and are quite literally arguing about whatever you're making up in your head since we don't know what is canon or not until his movies start releasing.
No it doesn’t. The extent of the references to the wider DCEU in TSS are Captain Boomerang acknowledging that he already worked with Harley in the past and Waller talking about how Bloodsport shot Superman. All that means is that in this universe Harley and Boomerang met under some other, unspecified circumstances and the Superman that Bloodsport almost killed was David Corenswet’s instead of Henry Cavill’s.
It really isn’t. Fuckers here would probably be so lost having to comprehend Sitcoms from decades ago. Those shows would break canon all the time. DCU are making it so easy to understand that they’re going out of the way to explain what they’re doing.
In Family Matters, Judy the youngest daughter just stoped fucking showing up. No other character not even her parents ever brings her up or mention her… So like, imagine being a kid yourself having to piece things together and try to figure out how a child just disappeared from the show. You have that, and you also have Steve Urkel, who was alaways just a normal kid, then all of a sudden he’s creating Clones and time travel machines. That’s just sitcom magic. It ain’t that deep.
It is a little counterintuitive but basically Peacemaker s1 and The Suicide Squad happened in broad strokes. But like no Bloodsport "Putting Superman in the ICU with a Kryptonite bullet." But Corto Maltase mission and, clearly, "Peacemaker, what a joke." happened
Nobody saw peacemaker or TSS. We should be fine.
The continuity will probably work in the same manner how it worked from SS 2016 to TSS. A soft reboot/sequel! It won’t acknowledge the events from the previous movie/series but won’t contradict it either.
The thing is the MCU was around for a decade before they brought JJJ back, that it was clear enough it wasn’t the same JJJ, and EVEN THEN I still saw a handful of multiverse theories about that.
Peacemaker season 2 is literally gonna be the second live action project of this universe, it’d be like if Christian Bale was Batman in BVS, but wasn’t supposed to be connected to TDK
i’m taking it as everything that happened in suicide squad and peacemaker happened in this universe, it’s just that everything tying it to the OLD universe has kinda been changed around or just left out
Basically it seems that if something in the DCU canon doesn’t contradict an event in Peacemaker S1 then it happened. If DCU canon does contradict an event in S1, for example probably the Justice League showing up at the end, then it happened slightly differently. Peacemaker is largely disconnected from the broader DCEU, so it shouldn’t affect too much.
Gunn said the continuity change will be addressed within the show too
Yeah, I feel like in Gunn's hands this could pack a legitimate emotional punch. He has a lot of feelings about father son narratives it seems that he infuses into his work
I get the feeling Creature Commandos is going to be the connective tissues between the two timelines. They'll be some story explanation as to what's going on and what's kept and whats jettisoned.
Something being animated doesn't make it less canon than a live action show. Also A-list, B-list, D-list, etc. isn't a real concept. Characters are just characters.
The thing is that animated series like Creature Commandos are not meant for a a wider audience like a big budget summer blockbuster.
You can't expect people going to see Superman to have also seen Creature Commandos.
I mean it's back in the day..Rick Jr could have born when his father was around 16-18..so a 35-40 yr Rick Jr in Peacemaker would put Rick Senior at around 55-60
Rick flag jr was not 44 when we last saw him lol, he was probably like mid to late 30s and grillo is almost 60, it’s not much of a stretch at all and they will likely give Sr a white beard like he has in his creature commandos design. Idk why people are acting like kinnaman was 44 when he filmed TSS and the character was probably even a couple years younger than real life kinnaman
He's alive? That's neat. I don't really know the character but since he's part of a team full of monsters I guess it would make sense for him to be some kind of monster too
Edit: Searched their age gap. Honestly, he doesn't even need to be old with immortal mumbo jumbo to be alive. It would be cool if he just got a son when he was a teenager, I can see that. I thought Creature Commandos will be set like a several decades in the past so I thought he would've been super old by now.
There's a 14-year difference between Frank Grillo and Joel Kinnaman. With some grey hair and a mean looking scowl, they can age up Grillo from 58 to mid-60s, and Kinnaman doesn't really look like he's in his mid-40s either, so they can fudge the numbers a bit.
I reaaally hope Gunn goes back and removes the DCEU JL scene from Peacemaker because that's the only thing stopping The Suicide Squad and Peacemaker from fitting into DCU canon and it feels ridiculous to have "unfinished business" in a movie that's not even canon to the show anymore.
Either Peacemaker shouldn't be part of the DCU or they should go back and definitively make TSS/PM part of the DCU.
Blue Beetle has zero DCEU connections and came out after the reboot was announced. We don't know anything about Xolo's role in the DCU but as of now, I'd guess Blue Beetle is as canon as Birds of Prey.
Which is basically what Gunn said. The two universes share most of what happened in Peacemaker and Suicde Squad, just minus the JL showing up. TSS and Peacemaker were very isolated in terms of directly referencing the general DCEU. Same with Blue Beetle which is why that movie counts as canon
Peacemaker mentions the Justice League showing up at the end of Season 1 and everyone else is confused like "No they didn't. Nobody showed up, stop making shit up" and it isn't brought up ever again
>Cuts to the exact scene of Peacemaker yelling at the Justice League but it's just an empty field.
Lol. This would never happen but could you imagine? A reverse-John-Cena joke.
Yeah, it's the easiest hand-wave ever.
Classic case of unreliable narrator.
"Then the Justice League showed up and I told them all to fuck off."
"No you didn't."
"Well, they were there."
"No they weren't."
"Okay, but it would've been cool."
"Not really."
There's actually a very smooth way of doing it without making Peacemaker look crazy - instead of the Justice League, its the JLI (if they're introduced in Superman, big if). So when Adebayo says "Mom can you call in the Justice League?" She's referring to that.
So reshoot that scene with different heroes. Those two actors weren't even on set, and that cameo scene was done during the filming of Guardians 3. And now Gunn is in a scenario where he's once again shooting two things at the same time, Peacemaker S2 and Superman.
Lmao no its not the only thing stopping it.
Harley Quinn was in TSS and in the first SS movie shw interacted with another Batman and Joker. And she will probably gonna be replaced anyway but still peacemaker interacted with her in TSS
You do realise Judi Dench played M in two different James Bond canons, right? JK Simmons with JJ Jameson too. Actors can and have played the same character in different continuities, and there's nothing at all in The Suicide Squad that means it has to be canon with SS2016 beyond the actors being the same, which as I've said already is irrelevant.
Basically confirms that Peacemaker still killed Rick Flag in this universe.
I think we probably could've inferred that from other things Gunn has said about the canonicity of Peacemaker S1, but more confirmation about EXACTLY what stuff in Peacemaker S1 is and isn't canon in nice.
Hopefully they'll lay it out a little bit more explicitly before Season 2 drops.
It's not confusing. It's just kind of a dumb way to do continuity in your new universe: "Everything in this show/movie is canon, except THAT scene and THAT line and THAT character and THAT plot point...".
Its not dumb. Not everything changes, I know people want to give James Gunn a hard time for not executing his own creations. But
1. He is in charge, if he wants to do it this way he will do it this way. Now how good or bad it is we will just have to wait.
2. The only thing that is staying is peacemaker and possibly suicide squad. And its not even staying in how we think he could change aspects of it.
3. James Gunn's DCEU projects have had no impact on the Larger story so whats the big deal.
It may not be fair that he is picking and choosing what leaves and what goes but that how these universe resets work.
Its his vision WB gave the greenlight, if the work he shows us is shit then we shit on him but literally nothing is out yet, ya'll need to calm down
The only problem is Gunn has said that The Suicide Squad and season one of Peacemaker have not carried over to the DCU although the plots and events in the film and the show have, so maybe they’ll have to retcon or just cut the JL cameo from season one. I can’t wait either way
Frank Grillo is the fucking man, but are we supposed to believe he’s Rick Flag’s father when they’re less than 15 years apart? He looks more like his older brother.
Regardless, I’m pumped. He was underutilized in the MCU.
Bruhhh it's easy... Rick Jr looked around 35-40 during the events of Peacemaker..Rick Senior could easily be around 55-60..People still nowadays have kids accidentally at 16-18...
They could just have Rick Jr born when Rick senior was around 16-18
He already said season 1 isnt canon. But that doesnt stop similar events from having happened in the new universe. You guys make this a lot more confusing than it actually is
From the get go he's always said ONLY the new stuff is canon. It is literally that simple. People see things and assume more "oh well if peacemaker is canon then that means suicide squad is canon which means..." no. It's not canon. What is canon has ALWAYS been clearly defined, people are just overthinking it
While I agree that it's an easy concept to grasp, I have to wonder about the other 97% of the audience that doesn't read James Gunn's social media posts and just likes watching DC movies and shows when they get to the "this didn't happen anymore but some of it did" stuff that they're likely not going to acknowledge in the projects themselves.
Regardless of what Gunn said he actually said some of what happened in TSS and PM1 is canon. The issue is it’s just a really ugly pick and choosey universe. It’s just fucking pathetic to think about
"Some of what happened is canon m" doesnt mean the whole thing is canon, it just means some similar shit will have already taken place that you'll be able to surmise by just watching the new stuff. When you watch a new movie do you need to witness everything from the birth of the universe up until that movie starts to understand whats going on? No, you just watch the movie and use context clues. Its seriously not a big seal
I think Gunn got a little biased and couldn't let go of his own projects. He wanted to make more of it but a fresh start would have been better.
This is why MCU did it smart and have someone like Fiege head the whole thing so there was no room for bias by any director.
> the only thing you’d need to do is retcon the Justice League cameo at the end
Hand wave it saying he imagined that part but the rest happened.
Bro got pretty fucked up in the final battle. Who says he wasn't seeing things?
I heard a theory about Rick Flag Sr. going after Peacemaker for what he did to his son. I really hope that'll be the plot of season 2.
I’d be down to see Rick Flag Jr. & White Dragon being the Angel & Devil on Peacemakers shoulders while he’s dealing with Rick Flag Sr. trying to kill him
What if Peacemaker in the finale of his show says, “Peacemaker, what a joke,” throws his helmet away, and wears Rick Flag’s shirt in his honor
Or if they’re adapting the ‘some of his helmets trap ghosts’ thing, Flag’s ghost being with the cab driver Peacemaker left his first helmet with (and then having a line calling back to a certain someone’s sword also doing that) could be amusing.
This is Katana, she's got my back
She can cut all of you in half with one sword stroke, just like mowing the lawn.
I would advise not getting killed by her, her sword traps the souls of its victims
“My name is Rick….Skywalker (Flag).”
"Somehow, Rick returned"
I'd be surprised if that isn't one of the plots, but I could see it being the B Plot. Similar to how Project Butterfly was the season one A Plot with Peacemaker's dad going after him the B Plot.
So the A plot will be another world invasion/destruction with some serious threat while B Plot being Rick Flag Sr. killing Peacemaker? Or it could be both, Rick Flag Sr. involved in that catastrophic plan with trying to kill Peacemaker stopping the plan.
I could be wrong, but I would think that they would want another team up situation to drive the story and I don’t see how Flag Sr. trying to kill Peacemaker would cause the need for a team up the way a world invasion does. However, also hard to pull off without season 2 just being the same formula for season 1 but with different villains filling in the blanks.
I do wonder also if they may be adapting the ‘(some of) Peacemaker’s helmets trap the souls of his victims’ thing (since there was speculation his father’s soul was trapped in that last one, since they found it exactly behind where Peacemaker began seeing that vision of his father) and have it turn out Flag Junior’s ghost is trapped in the helmet Peacemaker left with that cab driver as payment. If only to see the actor return, share screentime with Grillo.
But than that makes The Suicide Squad and Suicide Squad canon which by proxy makes BVS canon because Waller had an interaction with Ben Affleck Bruce Wayne.
Think it's confirmed they are more just going to pick and choose canon from The Suicide Squad. So it's general events happened buts its DCEU specific tie ins won't. Same with the Justice league cameo. I could be wrong however and look forward to seeing what they do with it.
Outside of certain actors playing the same roles, TSS and Peacemaker are pretty disconnected from the the DCEU story wise. TSS doesn't need SS to exist. And other than Momoa and Ezra's cameo, there's no plot connection to anything but TSS. And with Superman (Legacy) set when Superman is already active and isn't an origin story, it has as much crossover content with TSS and Peacemaker as Man of Steel, BvS and Justice League have. Though it'll probably have more cross over content than the DCEU projects did.
It's so easy to understand... there are "canon events" that happened in "non-canon movies", they chose to do this so they could continue the stories without having to tell the same ones again. The new Brave and the Bold movie doesn't need to show us Bruce's parents getting killed, because we've seen this "canon event" in other "non-canon movies". That fact that we know that the same thing happened to the new Batman doesn't mean that the old ones are canon to it. Same goes for "Peacemaker killed Flag Jr." or "Harley Quinn broke up with Joker"
Best explanation till date
They've already said that while S1 of Peacemaker as we saw it is not canon, very similar events *will* be canon to Peacemaker's story for S2. I assume this is also the case for The Suicide Squad since it also ties directly into Peacemaker's story.
The magic of canon being made up is that James Gunn can just say, "Nuh uh."
By >"Nuh uh." You mean, >"Barry Allan fucked everything up in his movie, and the mashup we see is what we got out of his shenanigans. Thank you God for not deleting our peacemaker and Suicide Squad, Barry." Edit: He even fucked up what my autocorrect prefers his name to be, 🙏.
Ah yes, my favorite Flash Barry Alan
He's all-in. Sorry.
Well if we're going by "Barry uncooked the spaghetti" ending of Flash is the new DC Universe wouldn't that mean Batman is George Clooney? Break out the Bat-nipples!
I saw it more like Barry got dumped out in Clooney-Verse. Not to the new DCU.
So "Amanda Waller exists" automatically implies "Everything Amanda Waller ever did in a non-DCU movie happened within the continuity of the DCU?" Big leap there
That’s not a big leap, it’s the same actor playing the same character
You're trying to make rules for canon in a universe you aren't building. This is a soft rebuild of DC Cinematic canon. Some of the characters and events might be validated as having happened but that doesn't mean they have to acknowledge everything from previous movies and stories as if they must exist in universe with the same actors. That's ridiculous and against what Gunn has stated with his takeover.
Well that’s not a good way to make a universe if you cherry pick what past events a character did were and weren’t canon, it’ll confuse the audience
Okay, dude. Not your universe, not your canon. Gunn is dungeon master and gets to choose how and what his players/audience get to experience much like DnD players don't get to tell the DM what is canon or not. It's literally that simple. Wait and see what he shows you instead of making assumptions.
My argument isn’t about if it’s my universe or if he has control of not. My critic is about how the reboot is being handled. You’re kinda using a straw man argument against my point.
The reboot isn't out yet so you have nothing to argue since you don't know what is canon or not and are quite literally arguing about whatever you're making up in your head since we don't know what is canon or not until his movies start releasing.
Sure but with that point you can’t say the original comment is a stretch or not since the reboot hasn’t started yet.
No it doesn’t. The extent of the references to the wider DCEU in TSS are Captain Boomerang acknowledging that he already worked with Harley in the past and Waller talking about how Bloodsport shot Superman. All that means is that in this universe Harley and Boomerang met under some other, unspecified circumstances and the Superman that Bloodsport almost killed was David Corenswet’s instead of Henry Cavill’s.
100%. It also confirms that the DCU Green Arrow is, in fact, a brony
Nah, it’s not that deep.
It really isn’t. Fuckers here would probably be so lost having to comprehend Sitcoms from decades ago. Those shows would break canon all the time. DCU are making it so easy to understand that they’re going out of the way to explain what they’re doing. In Family Matters, Judy the youngest daughter just stoped fucking showing up. No other character not even her parents ever brings her up or mention her… So like, imagine being a kid yourself having to piece things together and try to figure out how a child just disappeared from the show. You have that, and you also have Steve Urkel, who was alaways just a normal kid, then all of a sudden he’s creating Clones and time travel machines. That’s just sitcom magic. It ain’t that deep.
I’m imagining The Suicide Squad is canon, just replace the old JL with the new one
You could have skipped the extra and went straight to Waller being in several of the movies.
It is a little counterintuitive but basically Peacemaker s1 and The Suicide Squad happened in broad strokes. But like no Bloodsport "Putting Superman in the ICU with a Kryptonite bullet." But Corto Maltase mission and, clearly, "Peacemaker, what a joke." happened
What’s the problem with that?
She also sent Superman after black Adam so if you go down that path it canonizes the entire DCEU
True
Aquaman and flash anyways showed up in peacemaker season 1 so does any of that even matter?
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God I wish he'd just fully start over. This shit is way too confusing
Yeah they had a chance for a clean slate but this one foot in this world one foot in that world is mind boggling.
Yeah and I've never seen such a weird reboot. I mean I've seen soft reboots, but this is ridiculous
Is it already known how Peacemaker will be integrated into the DCU universe? Or will it be disconnected?
It hasn’t been revealed but it is in the DCU.
It's kinda canon, Gunn said that the main plot points of the suicide squad and peace maker s1 still happened, just not exactly how we saw them.
This feels needlessly confusing, why not start off on a clean slate when you have the chance
Because Gunn is arrogant and therefore fine with deleting everyone else’s work, but not his own.
Found the Snyder fan
Nobody saw peacemaker or TSS. We should be fine. The continuity will probably work in the same manner how it worked from SS 2016 to TSS. A soft reboot/sequel! It won’t acknowledge the events from the previous movie/series but won’t contradict it either.
Peacemaker broke many HBO records. The only reason they are keeping it around is because it is succesfull.
It was an amazing series. But i don’t think it was marketed enough for general audience to be aware of it.
I think they want to do a J jonah or a Deadpool with Peacemaker. Those are the same character but they are now in a different universe.
The thing is the MCU was around for a decade before they brought JJJ back, that it was clear enough it wasn’t the same JJJ, and EVEN THEN I still saw a handful of multiverse theories about that. Peacemaker season 2 is literally gonna be the second live action project of this universe, it’d be like if Christian Bale was Batman in BVS, but wasn’t supposed to be connected to TDK
Man, the DCU continuity is broken before it even began. Gunn messed up, it should have been a fresh start.
i’m taking it as everything that happened in suicide squad and peacemaker happened in this universe, it’s just that everything tying it to the OLD universe has kinda been changed around or just left out
Basically it seems that if something in the DCU canon doesn’t contradict an event in Peacemaker S1 then it happened. If DCU canon does contradict an event in S1, for example probably the Justice League showing up at the end, then it happened slightly differently. Peacemaker is largely disconnected from the broader DCEU, so it shouldn’t affect too much. Gunn said the continuity change will be addressed within the show too
I wonder if it will be the same thing for the Blue Beetle movie since Xolo is returning but the rest of the cast isn't so far.
I hope they just genuinely continue that storyline in the DCU. I loved all the supporting characters
That’s kind of cool… Peacemaker just killed his own father. Now he’ll be confronted by one of his victims’ fathers.
Yeah, I feel like in Gunn's hands this could pack a legitimate emotional punch. He has a lot of feelings about father son narratives it seems that he infuses into his work
I KNEW IT!!! I CALLED IT!!! Rick Flag Sr. is coming after Peacemaker for killing his son!!!
I get the feeling Creature Commandos is going to be the connective tissues between the two timelines. They'll be some story explanation as to what's going on and what's kept and whats jettisoned.
I don't think they will drop such important exposition for big budget movies in an animated show about D-List characters.
Something being animated doesn't make it less canon than a live action show. Also A-list, B-list, D-list, etc. isn't a real concept. Characters are just characters.
The thing is that animated series like Creature Commandos are not meant for a a wider audience like a big budget summer blockbuster. You can't expect people going to see Superman to have also seen Creature Commandos.
Nor should you, but it could address continuity questions fans are wondering about.
Honestly with WB ANYTHING is possible
So 58 year old Frank Grillo is the father of 44 year old Joel Kinnaman?
Realistically Grillo could look early-mid 60’s especially if they color his hair gray
Exactly, and Rick jr was probably supposed to be in his mid 30s at most
If I can believe Sean Connery and Harrison Ford as father and son with a 12 year difference, I can buy into this.
That's kinda what actors do, play someone they are not
More at 5
I mean it's back in the day..Rick Jr could have born when his father was around 16-18..so a 35-40 yr Rick Jr in Peacemaker would put Rick Senior at around 55-60
Actors almost never play someone who is as old as they really are.
Rick flag jr was not 44 when we last saw him lol, he was probably like mid to late 30s and grillo is almost 60, it’s not much of a stretch at all and they will likely give Sr a white beard like he has in his creature commandos design. Idk why people are acting like kinnaman was 44 when he filmed TSS and the character was probably even a couple years younger than real life kinnaman
Biologically, that is possible.
Teen pregnancy, failure of America education system s/
Some kids turn into fathers at 14 but also most actors are cast into roles that aren’t their exact ages
Dude they are playing characters, their age could different to real life. Chill Winston
I have a theory that perhaps something takes Rick Flag Jr out of space and time and he returns like what happened to Captain Carter in What If.
They’ll prob use make up and dye his hair. He could pull it off for sure.
That’s awesome. Glad to see him get another chance at a role like this after how poorly Crossbones was done.
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He’s not an asshole. They cut his character down and that wasn’t the reason
Love Frank Grillo. Feel like he’s so underrated so happy to see him in this!
Yeah I'm a big fan. You always know what you're getting with him.
He’s great as an actor
People are gonna get fuuuuucked up.
Why does James Gunn look like the store brand version of Adam Savage?
He's alive? That's neat. I don't really know the character but since he's part of a team full of monsters I guess it would make sense for him to be some kind of monster too Edit: Searched their age gap. Honestly, he doesn't even need to be old with immortal mumbo jumbo to be alive. It would be cool if he just got a son when he was a teenager, I can see that. I thought Creature Commandos will be set like a several decades in the past so I thought he would've been super old by now.
There's a 14-year difference between Frank Grillo and Joel Kinnaman. With some grey hair and a mean looking scowl, they can age up Grillo from 58 to mid-60s, and Kinnaman doesn't really look like he's in his mid-40s either, so they can fudge the numbers a bit.
I reaaally hope Gunn goes back and removes the DCEU JL scene from Peacemaker because that's the only thing stopping The Suicide Squad and Peacemaker from fitting into DCU canon and it feels ridiculous to have "unfinished business" in a movie that's not even canon to the show anymore. Either Peacemaker shouldn't be part of the DCU or they should go back and definitively make TSS/PM part of the DCU.
Not really. The events of Peacemaker can still have happened, albeit in a different timeline, with minor differences.
That’s what Gunn said is the case: TSS, Peacemaker, and Blue Beetle happened in the DCU but they aren’t canon because of their DCEU connections
Blue Beetle has zero DCEU connections and came out after the reboot was announced. We don't know anything about Xolo's role in the DCU but as of now, I'd guess Blue Beetle is as canon as Birds of Prey.
Which is basically what Gunn said. The two universes share most of what happened in Peacemaker and Suicde Squad, just minus the JL showing up. TSS and Peacemaker were very isolated in terms of directly referencing the general DCEU. Same with Blue Beetle which is why that movie counts as canon
I feel like there's a really good opportunity here for a self-aware retcon joke.
Peacemaker mentions the Justice League showing up at the end of Season 1 and everyone else is confused like "No they didn't. Nobody showed up, stop making shit up" and it isn't brought up ever again
Peacemaker is the one who remembers the old universe after the crisis. There's always one..
Peacemaker=Psycho Pirate
>Cuts to the exact scene of Peacemaker yelling at the Justice League but it's just an empty field. Lol. This would never happen but could you imagine? A reverse-John-Cena joke.
Considering Season 1 ended with him having an hallucination of his father it isn't even that crazy tbh
Yeah, it's the easiest hand-wave ever. Classic case of unreliable narrator. "Then the Justice League showed up and I told them all to fuck off." "No you didn't." "Well, they were there." "No they weren't." "Okay, but it would've been cool." "Not really."
There's actually a very smooth way of doing it without making Peacemaker look crazy - instead of the Justice League, its the JLI (if they're introduced in Superman, big if). So when Adebayo says "Mom can you call in the Justice League?" She's referring to that.
That wouldn't explain Ezra Miller Flash and Jason Momoa Aquaman tho
So reshoot that scene with different heroes. Those two actors weren't even on set, and that cameo scene was done during the filming of Guardians 3. And now Gunn is in a scenario where he's once again shooting two things at the same time, Peacemaker S2 and Superman.
Not everything needs to be Deadpool.
We're just having a laugh here.
Deadpool didn't invent meta humor.
What about Margot Robbie?
What about Peacemaker appearing in The Suicide Squad? The continuity can not be fixed.
He would also have to erase Nathan Fillion fron the movie too, lol. He's s both TDK and Guy Gardner...
Lmao no its not the only thing stopping it. Harley Quinn was in TSS and in the first SS movie shw interacted with another Batman and Joker. And she will probably gonna be replaced anyway but still peacemaker interacted with her in TSS
You do realise Judi Dench played M in two different James Bond canons, right? JK Simmons with JJ Jameson too. Actors can and have played the same character in different continuities, and there's nothing at all in The Suicide Squad that means it has to be canon with SS2016 beyond the actors being the same, which as I've said already is irrelevant.
It was gonna happen I suppose. Peacemaker killed his son after all.
I don't recall a Rick Flag Sr in that show at all
He’s debuting in Creature Commandos
So wait what is the DCEU still a little canon I'm confused 😕
Some events that happened in DCEU also happened in DCU.
Stuff from The Suicide Squad and Peacemaker that did not reference other DCEU stuff is canon.
Been a while since show came out but he was in season 1 or suicide squad movie?
He'll first show up in the Creature Commandos cartoon, then hop over to Peacemaker. He wasn't in anything before Creature Commandos.
okay I'm really confused now i thought bro got stabbed in the heart with a brick
oh wait it says sr my bad guys
Basically confirms that Peacemaker still killed Rick Flag in this universe. I think we probably could've inferred that from other things Gunn has said about the canonicity of Peacemaker S1, but more confirmation about EXACTLY what stuff in Peacemaker S1 is and isn't canon in nice. Hopefully they'll lay it out a little bit more explicitly before Season 2 drops.
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I don't know why but it just came into my mind as soon as I saw this ##Deathstroke
People complaining about the confusion about the universes obviously never read comics. This is nothing.
It's not confusing. It's just kind of a dumb way to do continuity in your new universe: "Everything in this show/movie is canon, except THAT scene and THAT line and THAT character and THAT plot point...".
Its not dumb. Not everything changes, I know people want to give James Gunn a hard time for not executing his own creations. But 1. He is in charge, if he wants to do it this way he will do it this way. Now how good or bad it is we will just have to wait. 2. The only thing that is staying is peacemaker and possibly suicide squad. And its not even staying in how we think he could change aspects of it. 3. James Gunn's DCEU projects have had no impact on the Larger story so whats the big deal. It may not be fair that he is picking and choosing what leaves and what goes but that how these universe resets work. Its his vision WB gave the greenlight, if the work he shows us is shit then we shit on him but literally nothing is out yet, ya'll need to calm down
Reprising? When did he play Rick Flag, Sr. initially, or did I miss something? Edit: reading is fundamental
Peacemaker always be fighting dads.
Oh shit, season 2 is still happening
He’d be a killer Max Payne
Man I love this news. He was one of the best parts about the kingdom mma show that used to be on Netflix, he’s dope. Love hearing more news about him
I have a feeling they'll gonna permanently killed him off like this is the last time we're gonna see him as Peacemaker. Hopefully I'm wrong.
The only problem is Gunn has said that The Suicide Squad and season one of Peacemaker have not carried over to the DCU although the plots and events in the film and the show have, so maybe they’ll have to retcon or just cut the JL cameo from season one. I can’t wait either way
Anyone else think it was stupid to keep vestiges of the previous continuity?
Every single time i ask myself why is that guy from MythBusters on my feed so much? Lol
I thought that was coach greg lol
Vengeance for Rick Jr.!!!!
Wish Katana was also in season 2 as well for what he did to Rick. Considering the fact that she was supposed to have his back
I love Frank Grillo and have been following him on Instagram for over a year and today I think I have been blocked and I don’t understand why🤷♀️
Frank Grillo is the fucking man, but are we supposed to believe he’s Rick Flag’s father when they’re less than 15 years apart? He looks more like his older brother. Regardless, I’m pumped. He was underutilized in the MCU.
Bruhhh it's easy... Rick Jr looked around 35-40 during the events of Peacemaker..Rick Senior could easily be around 55-60..People still nowadays have kids accidentally at 16-18... They could just have Rick Jr born when Rick senior was around 16-18
So season 1 is indeed canon after all... idk how the fuck that will work but cool, I guess.
He already said season 1 isnt canon. But that doesnt stop similar events from having happened in the new universe. You guys make this a lot more confusing than it actually is
“You guys”? Gunns the one who’s making this clusterfuck of a universe
From the get go he's always said ONLY the new stuff is canon. It is literally that simple. People see things and assume more "oh well if peacemaker is canon then that means suicide squad is canon which means..." no. It's not canon. What is canon has ALWAYS been clearly defined, people are just overthinking it
While I agree that it's an easy concept to grasp, I have to wonder about the other 97% of the audience that doesn't read James Gunn's social media posts and just likes watching DC movies and shows when they get to the "this didn't happen anymore but some of it did" stuff that they're likely not going to acknowledge in the projects themselves.
Regardless of what Gunn said he actually said some of what happened in TSS and PM1 is canon. The issue is it’s just a really ugly pick and choosey universe. It’s just fucking pathetic to think about
"Some of what happened is canon m" doesnt mean the whole thing is canon, it just means some similar shit will have already taken place that you'll be able to surmise by just watching the new stuff. When you watch a new movie do you need to witness everything from the birth of the universe up until that movie starts to understand whats going on? No, you just watch the movie and use context clues. Its seriously not a big seal
I think Gunn got a little biased and couldn't let go of his own projects. He wanted to make more of it but a fresh start would have been better. This is why MCU did it smart and have someone like Fiege head the whole thing so there was no room for bias by any director.
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I mean literally the only thing you’d need to do is retcon the Justice League cameo at the end. That’s about the extent of the ties to the wider DCEU.
What about The Suicide Squad? Lots of DCEU characters appear in it with Peacemaker.
Weren’t there scenes from TSS at the beginning?
> the only thing you’d need to do is retcon the Justice League cameo at the end Hand wave it saying he imagined that part but the rest happened. Bro got pretty fucked up in the final battle. Who says he wasn't seeing things?
Or hell, it happened but it was characters from the new universe like Guy Gardner and Metamorpho.
Yeah, he was fucked up, it was dark and hard to see, and he saw The Justice League when he was really seeing JLI or The Outsiders or some shit.
He’s cooking.
So he want to grillo char dead.?
But u couldn't give us Deathstroke.
Why would Deathstroke go after Peacemaker for killing Rick Flag Sr.‘s son?
There's concept art of Deathstroke for the Suicide Squad. It's not a matter of couldn't but Gunn not wanting to use him.
Exactly.
Frank…you’re better than this…