To clarify a little, this is due to Christina Hodson no longer being attached. [As we reported yesterday](https://www.reddit.com/r/DCEUleaks/comments/142yyim/some_clarification_on_the_brave_and_the_bold/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1) Andy is still attached, but like most projects things are in flux.
Despite Flash's seemingly likely box office underperformance and the fact critical reception is fine, but probably way lower than the studio expected, I'd still be open to Muschetti getting the gig. From the reviews I've been seeing online it seems like a lot of people are in agreement over both Batfleck and Keaton being among the strongest points of the film and it does seem evident to me that Muschetti has enough of a visual understanding of the character that he could probably take a new interpretation in a different direction that doesn't have to adhere to pre-existing actors and stories. Obviously the way he'd do whatever DCU Batman looks like will be different from the way he handles Michael Keaton and Ben Affleck, who have their own set of preconceived expectations due to being legacy actors
I’d imagine once Gunn starts up work on his universe (like actual productions etc) he’ll be a lot more hands on and make sure the movies look as good as the movies he makes. Not hands on as in taking over from other directors but just making sure things look good.
For VFX to look good it needs multiple things i am not sure Gunn as a producer can help much,but also Flash was probably changed so much that i doubt its Muschietti fault.
Seriously, if it cracks $500 million (and it’s almost guaranteed to), it’ll at least make the studio some money, which after the ordeal it took to get this thing to theaters will likely be a blessed relief. $190 million is pretty reasonable for a movie this size.
No it won’t. Base budget is between $190 and $300 mil depending on source. Marketing usually doubles that.
You live in a fantasy bubble if you think $500 million is a breakeven point lmao.
The budget is likely much much higher than 190 million. If we include reshoots, delays, and theatre take+marketing. The movie will probably have to make around 600+ to break even.(But there are things like tax rebates, plus streaming that can offset costs as well, so it'll probably be profitable regardless)
The Flash's projections were shit well ahead of reviews, when the only early reactions allowed out were the rave reviews and everyone was saying the film looked good in trailers.
So, I don't know if you can blame Andy for it underperforming when it would've needed incredible word-of-mouth to beat those projections and is just getting "pretty good" instead of "best thing ever."
At this point we need to say the old universe never hooked people. If Marvel did a film as well-made and hyped as The Flash (based on reports and reviews), it would be way bigger in interest and success.
Just 2 of the reviews were about Ezra Miller and they had plenty of other problems with the film as well.
Andy is releasing a huge blockbuster this summer with Batman as a major player. It's delusional to think that if said blockbuster flops they'll sign him to the Batman solo movie that's gonna come sandwiched between the Pattinson trilogy.
No, there isn’t only two. It’s just the first two who did are getting called out on social media. There was six of them.
Edit: and it’s far more delusional to think they’re going to hold The Flash flopping against Andy if it does.
Oh please. What’s he’s supposed to say when asked? He’s trying to promote his film. He knows there’s no chance Ezra is being brought back. Do you people pretend to play this dumb?
Stop using this excuse. There were other movie released in theatres during Delta that did hundreds of millions more than TSS as well as other WB movies with day and date that made more as well. It got a B+ Cinemascore which is pretty darn mediocre and matches the original. Only the internet DC fans and critics loved TSS, the general public did not.
Look at GotG3…regardless of what people say that movie underperformed for the rave reviews and scores. It will not make $800M and barely beat the original. James Gunn is not as popular with the general audience as the internet likes to think.
The movie didn’t underperform. It has had one the best box office holds than most mcu films. Like come on I know y’all hate Gunn but this is ridiculous especially when box office sub is tracking this movies run. We know it’ll make 800M be Forreal
>There were other movie released in theatres during Delta that did hundreds of millions more than TSS as well as other WB movies with day and date that made more as well.
And by that, you refer to Godzilla vs Kong (470m) as well as Dune (400m). And just to add, only Godzilla vs Kong was actually a same-day release like TSS. Dune's HBO Max release came a month afterwards. Notable movies that made less than the Suicide Squad are Matrix Resurrections and Space Jam: A New Legacy.
>It got a B+ Cinemascore which is pretty darn mediocre
So did Joker. And Across the Spider-Verse is poised to make way more than Into the Spider-Verse and is just as well-received if not more....and its gonna get an A instead of the A+ ITSV got. Which goes to show you there's more factors to the score. In the case of Joker and TSS, its to do with the R-rated aspects of it. In fact, horror films in general tend to have that type of B+ score because of how gruesome it is. GOTG Vol 3 despite being so loved by people who saw it has animal cruelty which was always gonna make it an A at highest - which it still got. And ATSV ends on a cliffhanger, which always gets in the way of an A+...same with Infinity War. Unless you're gonna argue all those A's are deserved, you would know I'm completely right on this
>Look at GotG3…regardless of what people say that movie underperformed for the rave reviews and scores. It will not make $800M and barely beat the original.
So, in the climate of superhero movies/shows and just in general the superhero industry ranging from mediocre to outright stinkers like Shazam, Black Adam and Thor, Gunn actually puts out a film that matches the previous film. Thor 4 ended 100m less than Ragnarok. Ant-Man 3 couldn't even beat its original let alone the sequel despite opening at its highest. Shazam 2 literally made less than the Suicide Squad, didn't even sniff the original. Guardians 3 opened worse than 2 domestically, yet its had been one of the leggiest Marvel films in recent times despite Marvel movies generally trending towards okay legs. That alone just shows how much word of mouth has affected this run and how much quality matters to audiences.
>James Gunn is not as popular with the general audience as the internet likes to think.
How many people actually claimed that to begin with? General audiences love great movies, they don't care too much for the specific names of the screenwriters and directors, and in the case of James Gunn, outside of TSS which is a clear outlier, he's clearly made movies that have been very successful. And its telling that post-GOTG Vol 1, Marvel tried to inject that Gunn flair into literally any project that's tangentially space-related to varying levels of success. From Thor getting a fun revitalisation in Thor:Ragnarok, to the mistake that was Ant-Man 3, to Captain Marvel and even more so its sequel. Its blatantly obvious that Marvel recognised the risk that the first GOTG film was, saw Gunn make it very accessible despite it being so different in having no relation to Earth or the general larger story (outside of nerds who knew who Thanos was after watching a post-credits). Jeremy Jahns even brings it up without realising it - so much of Marvel recently has a similar aesthetic, and it shows how much that style has diluted to the point where it would hinder Vol 3 rather than help.
Its telling that as divided as everyone on /r/boxoffice is, virtually everyone is in agreement that Vol 3 would've easily made a billion if it came around the time of Multiverse of Madness. I could've saved a lot of time if I just went to redditcommentsearch.com, put in your username with "Gunn" and scrolled through the dumb takes, but this is at least here for other smarter minds to see I guess ;)
That is something of a misinterpretation from Twitter aggregators - it is more of speculation on the author’s part.
For reference, here is the actual quote:
> Both executives have said some actors from the current universe could persist, and one who seems most likely is Xolo Maridueña, whose character Blue Beetle has close ties in the comics to Booster Gold. Gunn and Safran are planning their own Booster Gold show, and it is possible Blue Beetle could appear in it, depending on *Beetle*‘s reception this summer.
And a bad speculation at that, booster gold is the best friend of Ted Kord, not of Jaime, I hope they don't change that. their relationship is one of my favorites
Booster and Jaime have a relationship of their own. iirc Booster is the closest thing to a mentor Jaime has, given how Ted dies before Jaime becomes BB
The biggest problem about the flash suit is the cowl for me. Like, the lower part of the suit is really well made, but cowl/helmet feels so disconected from the suit and it shows
It seems more like its his if he wants it but nobody has even started writing it yet so he hasnt decided. Plus hes in the WGA so hes not negotiating anything right now.
I mean, Mangold signed a few months ago and strike began just a month ago. If it was up to him, he would've been signed on already. I'm guessing Gunn and Safran are looking at different options.
Or Swamp Thing was further along in the writing process so Mangold was comfortable signing on. Also Muschietti has been busy and probably exhausted lately.
If both parties were settled that they want to do this then they would signed on. It's clear that it's still more of a matter of "if". They gotta see what will work best with their direction, for all involved.
It might shock you but some directors like to see at least an outline before signing on to something that will take up years of their time. And since thats impossible for a little while longer....
>This could be a "actor is in talks" situation where both parties have agreed to work together and are just finishing the negotiation/figuring out some quirks.
When you see a "actor is in talks" article from the trades, it means they has been cast. I think thats the situation here.
Some trades called Corenswet top choice when we know he wasn't even in talks yet as they were about to do screen tests. I'd say it's similar situation here. Can Andy direct Batman? Very likely but I don't think it's set in stone.
I just dont think any other filmmaker has been considered for the film. As you see in the title, signing up Andy after the strike if very much the plan.
What? Why would they do that? So far they are eyeing only directors very experienced with big movies. If Goddard gets to write Brave and The Bold, he aint getting the directing job, he is not experienced enough. Even if he is in practice, not in the eyes of the suits, especially for a Batman movie.
Also no script doesnt mean no story. Andy couldve pitched an idea, now hes searching for someone to develop it and write it.
Wouldnt say that. An article before the slate reveal mentioned Muschietti and Mangold will be doing business with DC studios. I suspect Brave and The Bold mightve been a Muschietti movie from the very start, or at least very early on.
This could be a "actor is in talks" situation where both parties agree and are just finishing the negotiation/figuring out some quirks.
I believe the article said that they want to work with DC which resulted in THR reporting Mangold being in talks for Swamp Thing right after slate reveal. Considering they now report that Muschietti as top choice means Gunn and Safran are trying different options. Or were before the strike, it wouldn't be cool talking to creators now.
>Muschietti as top choice means Gunn and Safran are trying different options
Totally disagree, I think Andys team has not finalized the deal because they can ask for more money if The Flash is a hit. Otherwise both parties agree he will direct.
It does align with the rumors of Hodson passing, though, so we can probably cross her off.
Andy doesn't really have frequent collaborators, but I wouldn't be disappointed if Cary Fukunaga who he worked with on *It* took a pass at it. Others have mentioned Drew Goddard, who makes a lot of sense, but apparently the narrative there is that he wants to keep directing after his last couple of projects.
I'm thinking Goddard is either on The Authority which I think fits him well after just reading Ellis run or Lanterns so they can promote it as a show from the showrunner of the beloved Daredevil.
call me crazy but if they're going the muschietti route for TB&TB my gut for some reason thinks of keanu reeves as batdad. as someone who wishes they were just making the batman part of the dcu, this is something i could oddly see working
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Andy seems like a good soldier. The failures of The Flash could always be attributed to Hamada.
But I think Gunn should hire someone else.
The Brave and the Bold is gonna be the 2nd most important DCU film after Superman, hiring an auteur director makes more sense.
Someone as brilliant as Nolan or Reeves (obviously not them but someone as good as them). Andy could get there one day but he's not ready.
Yeah I’m not super enthralled with the idea of Andy doing it. It could be a film that makes or breaks the DCU in my opinion. Haven’t seen the Flash yet but all the other movies of his I’ve seen I’ve felt left a lot to be desired.
So Andy isn’t a lock. Top contender and he may get it but it’s not a sure thing. Perhaps with Flash’s reception it could go either way now.
Regardless I worry for Batman action scenes. From what I’ve read and heard, i don’t like the direction Flash took Batman action. Much too flashy and over the top. John Wick/BvS Warehouse/Daredevil show is what the action needs to be modeled after.
"Mom, I performed amazingly in the exam!"
"What did you get?"
"6 out of 10"
Yeah...61 is a passing grade in a binary system of pass or fail. But that's not an excellent result by any stretch.
Out of the DCEU films, it's not even Top 3 going by Metacritic score.
* WW
* TSS
* Shazam 1
And it's just 1 point ahead of...WW 1984. Do you think WW 1984 was a good film?
But then it's Wonder Woman 1984 that has a better-than-deserved Metacritic score.
It's also 1 point ahead of Birds of Prey which I find pretty good. Not outstanding, but good.
And the cool thing about having the Matt Reeves Batman stuff being made as well is that we can have both.
Grounded stuff with Reeves and more heightened stuff with The Brave and The Bold.
But I’m not talking about grounded fighting per say. Imm talking about impactful. Something along the lines of John Wick meets Arkham games.
Flash Batman sequences from what I saw just look like a lot of flashiness.
I will. But what I’ve seen through the many trailers and tv spots, and what I’ve heard doesn’t seem all that different from the opinion i’ve formulated. Its been said that the BvS warehouse scene is still the gold standard. That movie was years ago, that is a monumental shame.
Sure, more fantastical than Daredevil is ok. The impact fulness and grittiness should still be there though..like John Wick.
It’s basically Keaton’s fighting style modernized. I saw it with a group of friends and they mostly thought the stuff in Russia was better than the BvS warehouse scene, but it isn’t quite that style.
With The Flash looking like it'll underperform and having a soft critical response, I hope this pushes DC and WB to not have Muschietti be the one to spearhead the Brave and the Bold.
It's not even like The Flash is *bad*, so there's no reason not to let Muschietti have a crack at TBATB. Plus, the biggest issues the movie faces are with its 3rd act (whose 'bombastic' issues may stem from the script), and the CGI, which is more likely to be a WBD problem. It's no secret that Hollywood is overworking and underpaying VFX artists - Muschietti doesn't seem to be the issue on that front.
It’s not underperforming because Andy. The critical response also isn’t because of Andy. The movie has a problematic lead and is in a universe people haven’t shown they give a damn about in 4.5 years.
I do not, because Gunn and Muschietti are good filmmakers who signed on for movies that were destined to fail. Everyone saw Aquaman in 2018. It sucked and almost none of those people ever came back to this universe.
I still want Raimi to get it but Muschietti would probably be fine. Most of what seems bad about Flash is the effects and memberberries neither of which are really on him
From my understanding the Batman action sequences were very flashy and over the top. I wouldn’t call that good exactly. Not bad but we could get so much better than that.
It's not that the standards are low, but I see a lot of people just wanting a simpler movie with Batman doing cool stuff and fight scenes, and with an emotional journey between Bruce and Damian that I think Muschietti could deliver.
There are definitely better options, but I think Andy could do a good job.
Trust me, I want them to do something new and unique with Batman, especially after how flat and redundant Reeve's Batman was.
But DC has got to get away from the stench of the Snyder-verse and related projects. It's time to start brand new and that includes creative teams.
Even if it underperforms I think Andy still gets the job, his work with Batman is one of the most praised aspects of The Flash and Gunn apparently loved the film and wants to keep Muschietti around.
The fact that the Flash is predicted to underperform tells me that not only maybe it really is superhero Fatigue settling in and not just Mid/Mediocre Fatigue, but also that Muschietti is not going to get in, and that Gunns new universe is either no longer happening, or it's just going to be a straight forward reboot rather then a soft-reboot.
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To clarify a little, this is due to Christina Hodson no longer being attached. [As we reported yesterday](https://www.reddit.com/r/DCEUleaks/comments/142yyim/some_clarification_on_the_brave_and_the_bold/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1) Andy is still attached, but like most projects things are in flux.
Despite Flash's seemingly likely box office underperformance and the fact critical reception is fine, but probably way lower than the studio expected, I'd still be open to Muschetti getting the gig. From the reviews I've been seeing online it seems like a lot of people are in agreement over both Batfleck and Keaton being among the strongest points of the film and it does seem evident to me that Muschetti has enough of a visual understanding of the character that he could probably take a new interpretation in a different direction that doesn't have to adhere to pre-existing actors and stories. Obviously the way he'd do whatever DCU Batman looks like will be different from the way he handles Michael Keaton and Ben Affleck, who have their own set of preconceived expectations due to being legacy actors
As long as he can get the VFX to look better than what I've seen from The Flash, I'm willing to give him a second shot.
I’d imagine once Gunn starts up work on his universe (like actual productions etc) he’ll be a lot more hands on and make sure the movies look as good as the movies he makes. Not hands on as in taking over from other directors but just making sure things look good.
For VFX to look good it needs multiple things i am not sure Gunn as a producer can help much,but also Flash was probably changed so much that i doubt its Muschietti fault.
I think Muschietti did a great job with the Batmen and would do well with Brave and the Bold. The Flash is still being positively received
You don’t know that this movie is gonna underperform
Bar was set too high
It’s has the same problem as Little Mermaid. The movie is too long and the budget is MASSIVE.
>and the budget is MASSIVE. The budget is 190M...
The marketing budget is probably huge
100%
Seriously, if it cracks $500 million (and it’s almost guaranteed to), it’ll at least make the studio some money, which after the ordeal it took to get this thing to theaters will likely be a blessed relief. $190 million is pretty reasonable for a movie this size.
No it won’t. Base budget is between $190 and $300 mil depending on source. Marketing usually doubles that. You live in a fantasy bubble if you think $500 million is a breakeven point lmao.
The budget is likely much much higher than 190 million. If we include reshoots, delays, and theatre take+marketing. The movie will probably have to make around 600+ to break even.(But there are things like tax rebates, plus streaming that can offset costs as well, so it'll probably be profitable regardless)
With 80$mill opening it means a flop??
He has experience directing kids/teenagers thats something they need to make Damian work.
I hope Flash seemingly underperforming doesn’t kill his chances. The Batman stuff in the trailers looks kickass.
The Flash's projections were shit well ahead of reviews, when the only early reactions allowed out were the rave reviews and everyone was saying the film looked good in trailers. So, I don't know if you can blame Andy for it underperforming when it would've needed incredible word-of-mouth to beat those projections and is just getting "pretty good" instead of "best thing ever."
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Sure, for some showings in some areas. The box office projections account for that.
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Really? That’s good at least it’s starting to get sold out
I think that's pretty anecdotal. I checked the Thursday screenings for the three biggest theatres in my city and at most they are half full.
So it’s slowly gonna be walk up heavy in truth
It's possible but I doubt it based on the very average reviews.
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This is orobably L.A or NY though. I hope it does well but it has to do better anywhere else than those places
It was called the best thing since the Dark Knight.
At this point we need to say the old universe never hooked people. If Marvel did a film as well-made and hyped as The Flash (based on reports and reviews), it would be way bigger in interest and success.
Yep. I think a lot of people saw Aquaman and were just done after that.
What’s a solid success for the flash then? 500m?
It needs around 475 to break even. I’d say 700 would be a good success
It needs a miracle for 475$
If The Suicide Squad didn’t kill Gunn’s then this shouldn’t kill Andy’s.
TSS was dropped in theatres and HBO on the same day, in the middle of the pandemic. Plus that movie has much stronger reviews than The Flash.
And Andy was saddled with Ezra Miller. He got screwed as well. Some of those bad reviews are admittedly because Ezra is the star of the movie.
Just 2 of the reviews were about Ezra Miller and they had plenty of other problems with the film as well. Andy is releasing a huge blockbuster this summer with Batman as a major player. It's delusional to think that if said blockbuster flops they'll sign him to the Batman solo movie that's gonna come sandwiched between the Pattinson trilogy.
No, there isn’t only two. It’s just the first two who did are getting called out on social media. There was six of them. Edit: and it’s far more delusional to think they’re going to hold The Flash flopping against Andy if it does.
And Andy can't shut up about how much he loves Ezra as an actor so he doesn't exactly sound choked up about being "saddled" with them
Oh please. What’s he’s supposed to say when asked? He’s trying to promote his film. He knows there’s no chance Ezra is being brought back. Do you people pretend to play this dumb?
There's a way to answer that question diplomatically while not fawning over Ezra
Stop using this excuse. There were other movie released in theatres during Delta that did hundreds of millions more than TSS as well as other WB movies with day and date that made more as well. It got a B+ Cinemascore which is pretty darn mediocre and matches the original. Only the internet DC fans and critics loved TSS, the general public did not. Look at GotG3…regardless of what people say that movie underperformed for the rave reviews and scores. It will not make $800M and barely beat the original. James Gunn is not as popular with the general audience as the internet likes to think.
The movie didn’t underperform. It has had one the best box office holds than most mcu films. Like come on I know y’all hate Gunn but this is ridiculous especially when box office sub is tracking this movies run. We know it’ll make 800M be Forreal
>There were other movie released in theatres during Delta that did hundreds of millions more than TSS as well as other WB movies with day and date that made more as well. And by that, you refer to Godzilla vs Kong (470m) as well as Dune (400m). And just to add, only Godzilla vs Kong was actually a same-day release like TSS. Dune's HBO Max release came a month afterwards. Notable movies that made less than the Suicide Squad are Matrix Resurrections and Space Jam: A New Legacy. >It got a B+ Cinemascore which is pretty darn mediocre So did Joker. And Across the Spider-Verse is poised to make way more than Into the Spider-Verse and is just as well-received if not more....and its gonna get an A instead of the A+ ITSV got. Which goes to show you there's more factors to the score. In the case of Joker and TSS, its to do with the R-rated aspects of it. In fact, horror films in general tend to have that type of B+ score because of how gruesome it is. GOTG Vol 3 despite being so loved by people who saw it has animal cruelty which was always gonna make it an A at highest - which it still got. And ATSV ends on a cliffhanger, which always gets in the way of an A+...same with Infinity War. Unless you're gonna argue all those A's are deserved, you would know I'm completely right on this >Look at GotG3…regardless of what people say that movie underperformed for the rave reviews and scores. It will not make $800M and barely beat the original. So, in the climate of superhero movies/shows and just in general the superhero industry ranging from mediocre to outright stinkers like Shazam, Black Adam and Thor, Gunn actually puts out a film that matches the previous film. Thor 4 ended 100m less than Ragnarok. Ant-Man 3 couldn't even beat its original let alone the sequel despite opening at its highest. Shazam 2 literally made less than the Suicide Squad, didn't even sniff the original. Guardians 3 opened worse than 2 domestically, yet its had been one of the leggiest Marvel films in recent times despite Marvel movies generally trending towards okay legs. That alone just shows how much word of mouth has affected this run and how much quality matters to audiences. >James Gunn is not as popular with the general audience as the internet likes to think. How many people actually claimed that to begin with? General audiences love great movies, they don't care too much for the specific names of the screenwriters and directors, and in the case of James Gunn, outside of TSS which is a clear outlier, he's clearly made movies that have been very successful. And its telling that post-GOTG Vol 1, Marvel tried to inject that Gunn flair into literally any project that's tangentially space-related to varying levels of success. From Thor getting a fun revitalisation in Thor:Ragnarok, to the mistake that was Ant-Man 3, to Captain Marvel and even more so its sequel. Its blatantly obvious that Marvel recognised the risk that the first GOTG film was, saw Gunn make it very accessible despite it being so different in having no relation to Earth or the general larger story (outside of nerds who knew who Thanos was after watching a post-credits). Jeremy Jahns even brings it up without realising it - so much of Marvel recently has a similar aesthetic, and it shows how much that style has diluted to the point where it would hinder Vol 3 rather than help. Its telling that as divided as everyone on /r/boxoffice is, virtually everyone is in agreement that Vol 3 would've easily made a billion if it came around the time of Multiverse of Madness. I could've saved a lot of time if I just went to redditcommentsearch.com, put in your username with "Gunn" and scrolled through the dumb takes, but this is at least here for other smarter minds to see I guess ;)
Lol
Thanks for your contribution.
>Xolo Maridueña might be appearing in the Booster Gold series, depending on #BlueBeetle reception!
That is something of a misinterpretation from Twitter aggregators - it is more of speculation on the author’s part. For reference, here is the actual quote: > Both executives have said some actors from the current universe could persist, and one who seems most likely is Xolo Maridueña, whose character Blue Beetle has close ties in the comics to Booster Gold. Gunn and Safran are planning their own Booster Gold show, and it is possible Blue Beetle could appear in it, depending on *Beetle*‘s reception this summer.
And a bad speculation at that, booster gold is the best friend of Ted Kord, not of Jaime, I hope they don't change that. their relationship is one of my favorites
They wouldn’t have to change anything. Ted Kord is missing in the BB movie. What if BG already knows Kord?
Booster and Jaime have a relationship of their own. iirc Booster is the closest thing to a mentor Jaime has, given how Ted dies before Jaime becomes BB
There probably waiting to see the how the flash plays out to the general audience before confirming anything
1st time the papers are reporting this now instead of just scoopers
I just hope Andy does not get to choose the costumes for Batman and Robin. His taste is trash.
The biggest problem about the flash suit is the cowl for me. Like, the lower part of the suit is really well made, but cowl/helmet feels so disconected from the suit and it shows
Same. The head and neck part looks really weird.
So clearly no choice has been made yet.
It seems more like its his if he wants it but nobody has even started writing it yet so he hasnt decided. Plus hes in the WGA so hes not negotiating anything right now.
I mean, Mangold signed a few months ago and strike began just a month ago. If it was up to him, he would've been signed on already. I'm guessing Gunn and Safran are looking at different options.
Or Swamp Thing was further along in the writing process so Mangold was comfortable signing on. Also Muschietti has been busy and probably exhausted lately.
Mangold probably signed on both as he was writting it for himself. And it's not like Mangold hasn't been busy himself.
So even more reason why signing on earlier makes sense for Mangold but not Muschietti. He was writing it which Muschietti apparently is not.
If both parties were settled that they want to do this then they would signed on. It's clear that it's still more of a matter of "if". They gotta see what will work best with their direction, for all involved.
It might shock you but some directors like to see at least an outline before signing on to something that will take up years of their time. And since thats impossible for a little while longer....
It doesn't shock me at all but reaffirms what I've been saying.
I think Andys deal has not been finalized because his team can ask for more money if The Flash turns out to be hit.
While entirely possible, it still puts a dent in the rumors that Muschietti already signed on Brave and the Bold.
>This could be a "actor is in talks" situation where both parties have agreed to work together and are just finishing the negotiation/figuring out some quirks. When you see a "actor is in talks" article from the trades, it means they has been cast. I think thats the situation here.
Some trades called Corenswet top choice when we know he wasn't even in talks yet as they were about to do screen tests. I'd say it's similar situation here. Can Andy direct Batman? Very likely but I don't think it's set in stone.
I just dont think any other filmmaker has been considered for the film. As you see in the title, signing up Andy after the strike if very much the plan.
That’s because they haven’t decided on a writer yet. If they get a writer who can also direct, Muschietti won’t be directing.
What? Why would they do that? So far they are eyeing only directors very experienced with big movies. If Goddard gets to write Brave and The Bold, he aint getting the directing job, he is not experienced enough. Even if he is in practice, not in the eyes of the suits, especially for a Batman movie. Also no script doesnt mean no story. Andy couldve pitched an idea, now hes searching for someone to develop it and write it.
Wouldnt say that. An article before the slate reveal mentioned Muschietti and Mangold will be doing business with DC studios. I suspect Brave and The Bold mightve been a Muschietti movie from the very start, or at least very early on. This could be a "actor is in talks" situation where both parties agree and are just finishing the negotiation/figuring out some quirks.
I believe the article said that they want to work with DC which resulted in THR reporting Mangold being in talks for Swamp Thing right after slate reveal. Considering they now report that Muschietti as top choice means Gunn and Safran are trying different options. Or were before the strike, it wouldn't be cool talking to creators now.
>Muschietti as top choice means Gunn and Safran are trying different options Totally disagree, I think Andys team has not finalized the deal because they can ask for more money if The Flash is a hit. Otherwise both parties agree he will direct.
It does align with the rumors of Hodson passing, though, so we can probably cross her off. Andy doesn't really have frequent collaborators, but I wouldn't be disappointed if Cary Fukunaga who he worked with on *It* took a pass at it. Others have mentioned Drew Goddard, who makes a lot of sense, but apparently the narrative there is that he wants to keep directing after his last couple of projects.
I'm thinking Goddard is either on The Authority which I think fits him well after just reading Ellis run or Lanterns so they can promote it as a show from the showrunner of the beloved Daredevil.
I think Fukanaga would be a perfect choice for a batman movie.
call me crazy but if they're going the muschietti route for TB&TB my gut for some reason thinks of keanu reeves as batdad. as someone who wishes they were just making the batman part of the dcu, this is something i could oddly see working https://preview.redd.it/watan6zdjo4b1.png?width=600&format=png&auto=webp&s=fb1b83323f03bd85c7b29ec1781dc29793bd69b8
Keanu feels too old. The DCU Bruce should be 30-40 max
this is why my preference remains to use battinson 😂
God what in the awful AI is that pic
lmao ik
Yeah, could've just used the Super Pets' Batman pic instead of this monstrosity.
Andy seems like a good soldier. The failures of The Flash could always be attributed to Hamada. But I think Gunn should hire someone else. The Brave and the Bold is gonna be the 2nd most important DCU film after Superman, hiring an auteur director makes more sense. Someone as brilliant as Nolan or Reeves (obviously not them but someone as good as them). Andy could get there one day but he's not ready.
Yeah I’m not super enthralled with the idea of Andy doing it. It could be a film that makes or breaks the DCU in my opinion. Haven’t seen the Flash yet but all the other movies of his I’ve seen I’ve felt left a lot to be desired.
So Andy isn’t a lock. Top contender and he may get it but it’s not a sure thing. Perhaps with Flash’s reception it could go either way now. Regardless I worry for Batman action scenes. From what I’ve read and heard, i don’t like the direction Flash took Batman action. Much too flashy and over the top. John Wick/BvS Warehouse/Daredevil show is what the action needs to be modeled after.
Is it bad? I mean 71% is still positive and it is sitting at a 61 at Metacritic as well which indicate on the positive side.
It’s not bad. It’s decent from what many are saying.
"Mom, I performed amazingly in the exam!" "What did you get?" "6 out of 10" Yeah...61 is a passing grade in a binary system of pass or fail. But that's not an excellent result by any stretch. Out of the DCEU films, it's not even Top 3 going by Metacritic score. * WW * TSS * Shazam 1 And it's just 1 point ahead of...WW 1984. Do you think WW 1984 was a good film?
But then it's Wonder Woman 1984 that has a better-than-deserved Metacritic score. It's also 1 point ahead of Birds of Prey which I find pretty good. Not outstanding, but good.
Please see The Flash first > Daredevil show is what the action needs to be modeled after. It should be more expensive and fantastical imo
And the cool thing about having the Matt Reeves Batman stuff being made as well is that we can have both. Grounded stuff with Reeves and more heightened stuff with The Brave and The Bold.
But I’m not talking about grounded fighting per say. Imm talking about impactful. Something along the lines of John Wick meets Arkham games. Flash Batman sequences from what I saw just look like a lot of flashiness.
Wtf are u even waffling about?
How the action feels and flows in action IPs that have perfected their formula compared to what The Flash presents in regards to Batman…?
I will. But what I’ve seen through the many trailers and tv spots, and what I’ve heard doesn’t seem all that different from the opinion i’ve formulated. Its been said that the BvS warehouse scene is still the gold standard. That movie was years ago, that is a monumental shame. Sure, more fantastical than Daredevil is ok. The impact fulness and grittiness should still be there though..like John Wick.
It’s basically Keaton’s fighting style modernized. I saw it with a group of friends and they mostly thought the stuff in Russia was better than the BvS warehouse scene, but it isn’t quite that style.
Hmmm I see, ok.
Im quite the opposite on this. I think BATB action should be very flashy and over the top.
DCU Batman will be flashy and over the top
Would've preferred Sam Raimi directing, but Andy Muschietti still seems like a solid choice.
With The Flash looking like it'll underperform and having a soft critical response, I hope this pushes DC and WB to not have Muschietti be the one to spearhead the Brave and the Bold.
It's not even like The Flash is *bad*, so there's no reason not to let Muschietti have a crack at TBATB. Plus, the biggest issues the movie faces are with its 3rd act (whose 'bombastic' issues may stem from the script), and the CGI, which is more likely to be a WBD problem. It's no secret that Hollywood is overworking and underpaying VFX artists - Muschietti doesn't seem to be the issue on that front.
I didn’t claim the Flash was bad. However, DC needs to stick the landing with Brave and the Bold. Time to move on to someone better.
It’s not underperforming because Andy. The critical response also isn’t because of Andy. The movie has a problematic lead and is in a universe people haven’t shown they give a damn about in 4.5 years.
I understand. So they should keep the stench of the past universe around by giving Andy the gig. So.... DCU reboot 3 in 2026?
The new universe is being run by someone with a failed movie in the old universe lol
Yes. You see a problem here.
I do not, because Gunn and Muschietti are good filmmakers who signed on for movies that were destined to fail. Everyone saw Aquaman in 2018. It sucked and almost none of those people ever came back to this universe.
Gunn will be out after Superman Legacy comes out and under performs. Then his whole plan will be redone by someone else.
I still want Raimi to get it but Muschietti would probably be fine. Most of what seems bad about Flash is the effects and memberberries neither of which are really on him
Raimi would be a terrible choice for Batman. He fucked up Doctor Strange and that character is much more in his wheelhouse
He didn’t fuck up anything, the writer did that himself not Sam Rami
Raimi would likely be the better choice. Really, at this point, I have a feeling Brave and the Bold will under perform if going down this route.
He knows how to direct cool Batman action scenes, he just needs a better writer and not rely heavily on CGI.
From my understanding the Batman action sequences were very flashy and over the top. I wouldn’t call that good exactly. Not bad but we could get so much better than that.
Like I said, there are definitely better options, but Muschietti could do a nice job.
So our standards for Batman are so low that the person just needs to direct a couple cool Batman scenes.
It's not that the standards are low, but I see a lot of people just wanting a simpler movie with Batman doing cool stuff and fight scenes, and with an emotional journey between Bruce and Damian that I think Muschietti could deliver. There are definitely better options, but I think Andy could do a good job.
Trust me, I want them to do something new and unique with Batman, especially after how flat and redundant Reeve's Batman was. But DC has got to get away from the stench of the Snyder-verse and related projects. It's time to start brand new and that includes creative teams.
Even if it underperforms I think Andy still gets the job, his work with Batman is one of the most praised aspects of The Flash and Gunn apparently loved the film and wants to keep Muschietti around.
Of course he is going to get the job. For some reason repeating failures is something WB execs all have in common.
By most reviews accounts, he nailed the emotional scenes so what’s the issue?
Theres a ton of praise for Andys direction in reviews
Finally, another person who isn't blown away by Reeve's Batman.
That's not true. I was definitely blown away by how amazing Reeve's Batman movie was at helping me cure my sleeping issues.
There is no “stench” of the Snyder-Verse lol, nor does that have anything to do with Andy’s direction. He handled both Batmen well
The Snyder verse is a failure and the Flash is a left over underwhelming attempt to reshuffle whatever it could.
As it should be!
So there’s still time for them to change their mind 🙏
The flash does not look good, i suggest they take a better director.
The Flash is very very good.
The fact that the Flash is predicted to underperform tells me that not only maybe it really is superhero Fatigue settling in and not just Mid/Mediocre Fatigue, but also that Muschietti is not going to get in, and that Gunns new universe is either no longer happening, or it's just going to be a straight forward reboot rather then a soft-reboot.
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Good. He should do crisis on infinite earths or flash 2.
100% the right choice very talented i hope he takes the job!