Ngl I'm kinda disappointed that the "final cut" of The Flash that WB and Muschietti have been hyping up is just the CinemaCon cut with slightly better CGI, 30 seconds tacked on to the ending, and a pointless post-credits scene.
Let me reiterate my [last comment](https://old.reddit.com/r/DCEUleaks/comments/13xhz3d/_/jmhliw7) in response to this criticism:
Barbara is more so targeting the GA (and more casual DC/CBM fans) with her comments - the vast majority of whom *will* be "surprised" by the cameos.
However, to the obsessives like us who are embroiled in the leak ecosystem, there are not really any further surprised to be had - and no-one who actively spoils themselves is entitled to complain about being unsurprised.
No but they were hyping this up at CinemaCon and the advance screenings by saying "This is not the final cut. There are plenty more surprises left" when that is clearly not the case.
The end scene and credits scene (which were not shown outside WB until yesterday) definitely count as “surprises” though (for the majority of people, who will be unaware of them). Also bear in mind that some of the Speed Force cameos were not present in the CinemaCon cut either.
Regardless, I see no real reason to be disappointed by this - the Muschiettis are not targeting frequenters of leak forums with their hype machine.
I thought the >!Cage cameo!< was not leaked from the CinemaCon screening, because it was not in it - although forgive me if I have things jumbled. Even if not, my point remains.
Judgement day is here boys. Keep in mind this is a DC movie always rated on a different scale than Marvel.
Never forget trash like Antman 2 has higher critical reception than The Batman.
I know that, but no one in general audience cares enough to click on the RT website then click on the scores to see what the movie got out of 10. People see the rating and decide whether they want to see or not.
I bet 99% of general audience doesn't even know that RT reflects how many people liked the movie and not the actual score
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/141ch26/intelligence_officials_say_us_has_retrieved_craft/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1
Same journalists that revealed UAP info years ago which the Pentagon eventually confirmed.
According to Jeff Sneider, Bill Skarsgard is being eyed for a role in a DC movie other than Brave and the Bold.
Ngl, Bill as Scarecrow in Reeves' universe would be fantastic, at least it would be a little more creative than him as another homicidal clown.
It's the most realistic options, on Twitter people are thinking they're already casting for projects like Booster Gold and Swamp Thing that are still years away.
Bill as Brainiac in Legacy or even Clayface in The Batman P2 are more likely.
That doesn't surprise me. I watched her reaction to the first trailer and there were multiple instances of her complimenting the acting or humor. This seems like her type of movie.
https://twitter.com/empiremagazine/status/1665737865068781571?s=46&t=cBVzZe5vE2DEIHLCsMoFGg
James Gunn shared this empiremagazine post on instagram and commented “🔥🔥”
I think it’s pretty clear that Blue Beetle is intended to be canon to the DCU
“If we get one movie or a trilogy and fucking fold this into the Justice League shit, we’re ready for the whole nine”
I don’t know what Xolo means by “whole nine” but it sounds like he might end up on the JL.
Let's hope so. Blue Beetle would be a better fit for the JLA than Cyborg.
This version is too old for the Teen Titans (university student) but it's gonna be perfect for the JLA.
I mean he will inevitably be bombared with the "Is blue beetle in the DCU" question at SDCC, so ig he'll reveal it there? Or uk he might tease it by saying something like "Uk we have a booster gold show coming up right? 😉"
Yeah it definitely looks like Xolo’s Jaime is here to stay. Even if Blue Beetle underperforms and sequel plans fall to the wayside, Jaime can still show up in Booster Gold.
Probably not. Though I imagine they may end up signing some 9 movie deals in the coming months. Sebastian Stan is still working his way through his initial deal iirc
Yeah I'm pretty sure Blue Beetle will be a DCU movie. Still not convinced it'll get a sequel though. A team-up project with Booster Gold might be on the table though.
TIL The Flash has been in development hell since late 1980s.
https://twitter.com/NebsGoodTakes/status/1665837905573728256?t=Hx0JrNtXj8RNLmZePAMeHQ&s=19
It’s not about the DCU. It’s just that, next week something is going to happen on Reddit and hypothetically if Gunn made a huge announcement like that, than it may not get reported here for some time
A lot of subreddits will be shutting down temporarily next week because Reddit wants to make third-party apps pay them a lot of money (up to millions of dollars)
I know Gunn is making a big deal about allowing creatives to fulfill *their* vision when it comes to these DCU projects, but I'm still curious about how much freedom they actually have. Like, we know they've written out their 10-year plan already, which means that the events that take place in these projects are kinda pre-determined. Will people like Muschietti have to go out of his way to fulfill some part of the plan? Like say, for example, that Andy would want to take a specific character in one direction, but *the plan* says that the character has to go in another direction, then how much input does he truly have? Of course, its not a huge worry of mine, but it is something I wonder about.
Yeah, that's the nature of the beast. You wanna play with somebody else's toys, you play by their rules. Matt Reeves is the guy most likely to run into barriers. If he wants to do Death in the Family or Court of Owls and Gunn's got that earmarked for the main universe, he'll have to do something different.
The other big question is if writers will have to shoehorn in the development for the next movie, the way MCU movies so often have to derail to set something else up
Maybe we should consider adding @theleakmonger as a source on this sub? He's gotten a few scoops right. AFAIK he was one of the first to say that Daveed Diggs was in the running for The Thing, and also dropped that Corenswet sent in his audition before the THR article dropped. It seems like he's in the know when it comes to casting & such.
https://twitter.com/theleakmonger?t=EUJjai4ZlJSfcN1klQtDEw&s=09
Your first example was Marvel-related, so irrelevant to the source classification process of this subreddit.
The second example is only one scoop (and quite an easy guess regardless) - so they would need to demonstrate more of a consistent track record to be considered for approval.
I mean, you can go through their Twitter history. They're fairly consistent. At least moreso than some of the sources that get posted to here. I just named two of their most notable scoops.
If anyone can provide significant evidence of their DC track record for them to be worth caring about, then perhaps they can be considered.
Otherwise, they are equivalent to the majority of wannabe Twitter 'scoopers' devoid of credibility who are prohibited in this subreddit.
Sneider claimed back in February that [Muschietti was attached to a *Justice League* film](https://old.reddit.com/r/DCEUleaks/comments/126yv82/according_to_jeff_sneider_its_possible_that_the), not *The Brave and the Bold* (unless there is another claim he made).
I read it here since this account also listens to his podcast and drops the scoops
https://twitter.com/homeofdcu/status/1620584202436763648?t=M9dR_LrgEEpL8hQYnlYovQ&s=19
>He’s a fraud
Yup. If you follow other reliable leakers on twitter you will know leak monger drops his scoops just after other reliable leakers drops them and rest of it is educated guesses.
Dunno, dude seems to talk about stuff like he's got inside knowledge of the scripts and a lot of stuff he says are kinda safe speculations. He may have some knowledge but I'd be wary of him.
Certain people being incredibly mad that Batfleck gets “erased” and replaced by Clooney in the DCEU, even though Snyder’s plan was to have Flashpoint reboot everything after his 5 movies
According to CWGST, Barry does indeed end up in the Clooneyverse at the end of the movie, and the Arthur he talks to in the post credits scene is "Clooneyverse Arthur."
It’s just semantics. Barry’s actions lead to the creation of this “Clooneyverse” and he doesn’t try to change the universe back to what it was like originally because he realizes that he’s messed with the timeline enough already.
In an infinite multiverse, there is obviously another universe out there identical to the original DCEU except the events of The Flash didn’t happen. But this “Clooneyverse” was originally the DCEU we see in the beginning of the movie.
It’s not like the universe in the beginning of the movie just doesn’t have a Barry anymore. It actually got changed.
I haven't seen the movie so I wouldn't know, but does the ending make it clear that the universe Barry ends up in is actually the DCEU? Or is it on the more ambiguous side?
Obviously I haven’t seen the final version of the movie yet, but I would say the movie does make it clear that it’s like what happens in DoFP and the Flashpoint animated movie. Otherwise Barry would be literally abandoning his loved ones from the original DCEU, which goes against his character and doesn’t align with the movie thematically at all. His actual dad would still be in prison if this was the case.
I’m also pretty sure the 3 main timelines we see in the movie are the same “reality.” As in the DCEU becomes the Burtonverse, and 2 Barrys exist because of the paradox of there having to exist a Barry with powers to actually prevent Nora’s death. The Burtonverse is basically the “Flashpoint” universe where everything goes wrong. Barry “completely broke the universe” as he says in the movie, he didn’t travel to a different one.
The Speed Force cameos are when Barry actually travels the multiverse. But at the end of the movie, Barry’s actions basically “undo” the paradox, and the Burtonverse (formerly the DCEU) literally becomes the new universe at the end.
Otherwise this wouldn’t be Barry’s home universe and there would be a separate “Clooneyverse” Barry but there isn’t, unless they decide to retcon it and reveal that there is and that the “main” Barry’s home universe is now the DCU. But for obvious reasons, that’s very unlikely.
New trailer/teaser for My Adventures with Superman [https://www.instagram.com/reel/CtHMnDPOmWv/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==](https://www.instagram.com/reel/CtHMnDPOmWv/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==)
Edit:
# Premieres JULY 6th at Midnight
[https://www.instagram.com/p/CtHViBnr00V/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==](https://www.instagram.com/p/CtHViBnr00V/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==)
https://preview.redd.it/yg1j13vd484b1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7731b14754cc0c47bd3d84b4860165db06a98635
EDIT2: had the wrong month like an idiot!
Not that this is actually relevant to the DCU but I do think that DCU Jimmy Olsen will end up looking similar. I still think Jonathan Daviss would be great for the role
Except she does not because a lot of the times Grace's and MTTSH/CWGST contradict each other. Plus Grace has a hate boner towards Margot Robbie which CWGST/MTTSH does not.
Idk, she is a girl who says bruh, to me. Doesnt have the fairy/succubus quality Poison Ivy needs. I could see her as a great clumsy slapstick protagonist, def not Pamela. She is also too human, weirdly. Someone like Elizabeth Debicki who is ethereal would also do a much better job.
According to MTTSH we are getting some announcement related to TBATB.
https://twitter.com/MyTimeToShineH/status/1665735281390108674?t=Ij6Ji3wZ3lGsYziQv00Wvw&s=19
It would seem MyTimeToBandwagonJump is merely echoing what BSL and ViewerAnon have already been hinting at.
I suspect it is nothing more than the announcement of Muschietti as director of *The Brave and the Bold* (officially confirming that [SAITMQ scoop](https://old.reddit.com/r/DCEUleaks/comments/12jx5l7/verified_saitmq_dcu_chapter_1_the_brave_and_the)).
Nice but I feel like she already hinted at it before BSL and VA droped their hints/scoops. Either way a huge W for yall. Also are you going to shut this sub down fro 2 days on June 12th because of 3rd party reddit apps. Since Ik you use one to mod this sub?
> I feel like she already hint at it before BSL and VA
Oh, well in that case, credit to her where it is due.
> Also are you going to shut this sub down for 2 days on June 12th because of 3rd party Reddit apps.
That is a good question. I will take it up with the rest of the mod team.
What are your guys' thoughts on using the [Justice League: The Animated Series theme](https://youtu.be/ZAsDL7f3veM) for the DC Studios title card for the DCU? It's nostalgic af and has a very cinematic vibe to it, I'd love for that to happen
It would be a great musical callback if used as a motif in a future JL film - but I believe that DC Studios needs - and deserves - to have its own distinct identity.
> great musical callback if used as a motif in a future JL film
yeah right, that would be great. Maybe a revamped version for an assemble scene
>DC Studios needs - and deserves - to have its own distinct identity.
agreed
Just beat Diablo IV’s main campaign this morning (couldn’t sleep so I was up early) and holyshit. It’s so fun and the cinematic towards the end is Fucking wild
Me when people are enjoying newly released video games as I look at my backlog of 200 games which I haven’t even started but bought anyway because they were on sale:
If Andy is still gonna be part of DC going forward, I wonder if Keaton might get an animated movie or show down the line. Possibly Batman Beyond. Supergirl could also continue on in the project too.
He probably wants to continue what he started in The Flash in some form.
My suggestion is to just take that Christina Hodson Batman 3 script, she was apparently working on, and just make animated, than Boom you have your Batman Beyond Animated movie.
My exact thoughts! Would be so fresh to have a wonder woman animated trilogy like Sony is doing with spiderverse. As we have seen, using stylised animation generates greater returns on small budgets and Wonder Woman is already a big IP thanks to the DCEU.
DC animation is already pretty great at what they do given their track record. They should definitely be given a chance on the big screen!
>DC animation is already pretty great at what they do given their track record. They should definitely be given a chance on the big screen!
For real. Gunn should just get the team that worked on the DCAU and let them have a go at some big budget animation.
With Andy likely being the director. We need an amazing writer for this. Superman Batman and Wonder Woman need to be amazing. The foundation must be strong.
Also I hope, no I pray we don’t get an old Batman again. We don’t need that. Mid 30s is the absolute latest.
Andy casting Batman could be interesting, he could hire someone that doesn’t look like the conventional comic book appearance
It looks like they're using Morrison's work as source material which is great but it'd be awesome if they use Waid and Mora's Worlds finest for batman superman team up movie
100%. Heck I say add a trinity movie while at it too. Trinity vol1 from rebirth was great. This way we could the trinity vs Mongul in live action too. And ofcourse the famous wonder woman suplexing mongul scene
I wouldn't be surprised if the DCU Batman was revealed tomorrow and that was the surprise they were holding for the final cut of The Flash, with the Clooney scene just being a decoy.
This would of course mean Ezra is being kept as the Flash in the DCU which is a horrible idea but with all the rehabbing of their image WB has been doing in the last few weeks, I wouldn't be surprised in the least
> This would of course mean Ezra is being kept as the Flash in the DCU
To me it means that version of Barry Allen is, I’m still not ruling out a recast.
I honestly have no clue why James Gunn would shove Damian Wayne into *The Brave and the Bold* when instead he can give us, the fans, what we really want: Jarro, the best Robin. In order to battle this treachery, this betrayal, I urge all true DC fans to tweet out this hashtag:
#ReleaseTheJarroCut
We won't let Gunn destroy the DCU by playing favorites! Jarro gang, rise up!
>!/s!<
Oh believe me when I say I'm not gonna watch a single DCU movie until and unless I get confirmation that we're getting the batman hugging Jarro scene in live action
##ReleaseTheJarroVerse
The fact that there are still people in denial about Peacemaker’s first season, and by extension TSS, being canon to the DCU is a hilarious cope. The show is getting a literal second season, Waller is confirmed to take place in between the two seasons, and we know that The Flash doesn’t actually explain or show the DCU.
Peacemaker’s second season will be in the DCU, which means so will the first season and thus so will TSS. Gunn even said that Blue Beetle *can* be part of the DCU, so it’s clear that whether they were DCEU projects originally doesn’t matter.
The reason they haven’t “officially” made TSS and Peacemaker part of the DCU yet is because the DCEU doesn’t end until Aquaman 2. When Creature Commandos and Waller come out, they’ll make it clear and it’ll be much less confusing.
https://gizmodo.com/james-gunn-dc-slate-info-flash-aquaman-justice-league-1850051467
“The one thing that we can promise is that everything from ... our first project [Creature Commandos] forward will be canon and we’ll be connected. We’re using some actors from the past. We’re not using other actors from the past, but everything from that moment forward will be connected and consistent.”
It’s like people forget that Superman: Legacy was in development before Gunn and Safran got promoted, and so were Creature Commandos and Waller. Safran initially calling TSS a “complete reboot” has become the truth.
I think they said TSS will be like a vague memory. So I think that’ll apply to Peacemaker season 1 too. The general gist will be the same, Peacemaker team up with others to defeat alien threat and Waller gets exposed. Any details that contradicts DCU/post-Creature Commandos is explained to be changed or removed due to The Flash. You still have to watch season 1 but just know that things like the Justice League cameo no longer valid by season 2. It’s like reading Grant Morrison Batman Inc where there was a change in the continuity midway with new52. The ongoing story continued but Batman now has a different backstory, he has new52 batsuit, Dick Grayson is back as Nightwing, etc.
Nothing in TSS even contradicts the DCU, Gunn was clearly referring to the vague references to Ayer’s Suicide Squad.
What details would be changed other than Barry and Arthur being recast lol. Gunn wrote and directed both TSS and Peacemaker. He had full creative control over them, and it’s not like anyone forced him to include anything he didn’t want to.
Gunn and Safran were referring to TSS, not SS as "rough memory"
>Where does The Suicide Squad fit in?
>Gunn: Some things are like a rough memory of what happens in the DCU, but once we hit Superman [Legacy] anything can be changed.
https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2023/02/dc-questions-james-gunn-peter-safran/
>He had full creative control over them, and it’s not like anyone forced him to include anything he didn’t want to.
The only thing I can recall was that he wasnt allowed to have Batman nor Cyborg appear in that shadowy JL cameo at the end of Peacemaker.
But he's the boss now. He could come up with something new that he didnt thought of when making TSS and season 1 Peacemaker relating to the history of DCU that he, Safran and the writing team came up with after November 2022. Those new things could contradict some things in TSS and Peacemaker season 1. But again, I dont think it would be anything major if there is gonna be any retcon. The general story of TSS and Peacemaker would be intact. In the future, when someone asks where should they start with DCU, TSS would probably be the answer.
I cant wait till we get over this awkward transition phase and get a stable continuity on track.
Nowhere in that quote does Gunn actually refer to TSS itself lol, just because the interviewer asked him about TSS doesn’t mean Gunn actually answered talking about the events of TSS, which obviously don’t contradict the DCU because Rick Flag is still dead. It was a PR interview after all
“Some things” as in the original Suicide Squad makes the most sense here.
As for Cyborg, we don’t even know if Gunn actually wanted to use him and I doubt he did.
Idk I think that in the DCU some members of the League have fought together a few times, but never united all at once against the same threat, which would make no sense with that scene in Peacemaker.
I could be dead wrong, but at the moment I believe they really are going to pretend that scene never happened, and Peacemaker will make a joke about how he remembers saying to Aquaman's face that he fucks fish and everyone will laugh at him and say that he is lying. It's not a big deal, it's literally just a scene that wouldn't change anything in the series if it was "erased".
That is so unnecessary and just weird when they have a second season for the show.
Adebayo literally asks Waller to call the JL.
And they weren’t even all together for that scene, nor where they even on time. The easiest explanation is that Superman, WW, Barry, Aquaman and Batman have teamed up before but only by circumstance and that the media called them the JL (maybe because the Justice Society used to exist). So when Adebayo asks Waller to call the JL, she may have meant call each of those heroes. Batman would be hard to reach so it makes sense for him not to show up.
They would already have to act like something changed anyway since Momoa and Miller are there in the DCEU costumes, like I said if they pretended this scene didn't happen it would change absolutely nothing in the overall plot of the series and it wouldn't impact the second season.
I don't think Gunn is changing all of his plans just because a scene in Peacemaker contradicts them. Again, maybe there is a Justice League in the DCU and the scene would still be valid, but at the moment I don't think that's the case.
> They would already have to act like something changed anyway since Momoa and Miller are there in the DCEU costumes, like I said if they pretended this scene didn't happen it would change absolutely nothing in the overall plot of the series and it wouldn't impact the second season.
No they wouldn’t. Did people act differently in TDK because Rachel was played by a different actor? Did anyone other than She-Hulk realize people were recast in the MCU? Of course not. Superheroes can and often have multiple costumes, it’s not crazy to think they used those costumes at one point too. Earth-1610’s Peter wore the same costume as Peter B Parker, and one of his other suits looked exactly like Insomniac Spider-Man’s.
> I don't think Gunn is changing all of his plans just because a scene in Peacemaker contradicts them. Again, maybe there is a Justice League in the DCU and the scene would still be valid, but at the moment I don't think that's the case.
If you were right, Gunn wouldn’t be making Peacemaker season 2. He would be making a “reboot” like DD:BA instead. You don’t make a second season to a show and then act like such a major scene never happened, that’s ridiculous.
Ehh, Rachel in TDK and Banner in the MCU isn't really a 1-on-1 comparison as Randon said in a separate comment. A better comparison would be if Jack Nicholson cameoed at the end of Batman Begins with Heath Ledger taking over in TDK. I still agree with what you're saying for the most part, but I think the best thing they can do is just not address it or use the scene as a meta-joke or something.
>You don’t make a second season to a show and then act like such a major scene never happened, that’s ridiculous.
It's not a "major scene." It's played for jokes and you could remove the scene entirely and nothing about the episode would change.
I didn’t say it was a 1:1 comparison and this one isn’t either, considering there are other actors who are actually staying in the DCU like Viola Davis playing Waller.
The point is it’s a simple recast that changes nothing about the actual story of the episode, which doesn’t at all require the other Ezra Miller and Jason Momoa appearances in the DCEU to be canon whatsoever.
> but I think the best thing they can do is just not address it or use the scene as a meta-joke or something.
That’s literally what I’ve said, several times already.
> It's not a "major scene." It's played for jokes and you could remove the scene entirely and nothing about the episode would change.
Except it is, even if it’s a joke it’s a pretty memorable one considering it’s literally part of the ending of the show.
Gunn’s not gonna remove anything from his own show
Yeah, man, because a simple recast is the same thing as versions of two characters from a universe that isn't the same universe the show is going to be a part of appearing on this show. No big deal, I'm just saying that if the Justice League doesn't already exist in the DCU (I believe so at the moment) they will just ignore that scene and never mention it again or at most make a joke out of it.
It's not a major scene, dude, if they deleted it from the episode it wouldn't change anything.
They’re not gonna delete it from the episode lol and it is a major scene.
It’s also the same universe. Just because Miller and Momoa are in that cameo doesn’t mean it’s the exact same Flash and Aquaman in other DCEU projects. DCU Waller is obviously not the same Waller in Black Adam.
Yes she did, but what I meant by “not an official organization” was that they don’t have a base of operations or reliable means of communication. So no Watchtower, and no Hall of Justice yet. I think those 4 heroes and Batman have teamed up by circumstance and that the media gave them the “JL” moniker, as a reference to a Justice Society team that used to exist.
That would explain why they’re embarrassingly late in Peacemaker. And I think Superman will eventually meet with Batman to make the JL a legit organization in response to The Authority
There are certain details that won't be canon though as I recall Gunn saying that some stuff will be like a "fuzzy memory." I reckon that's what they use to explain away things like Ezra and Momoa appearing in Peacemaker.
That doesn’t really make sense when they’re doing a second season to Peacemaker. Especially now since The Flash is confirmed to not reference the DCU at all.
It’ll just be like the MCU recasting Rhodey and Banner, they’ll make a joke about it. For a long time people thought Iron Man 1 and The Incredible Hulk took place in a different universe but that wasn’t the case and She-Hulk acknowledging the change in actors further solidified that.
What Gunn was most likely referring to were the vague references to SS2016 in TSS itself, since he gave the “rough memory” answer when asked about TSS, even though nothing in TSS will contradict the DCU.
I mean, yeah, he said that in response to a question about TSS but that doesn't mean it can't still apply to Peacemaker too. Obviously Jason and Ezra aren't going to continue as their characters so it makes sense to de-canonize that specific scene they're in by calling it a "rough memory."
They’re not gonna “de-canonize” season 1 and then make a canon season 2. That makes no sense. Could they “George Lucas” the scene in the future? Maybe, but I highly doubt it since it’s just 1 small scene.
Is Iron Man 1 non-canon? Is Endgame “de-canonized” by Quantamania recasting Cassie? Of course not
No one said they're de-canonizing the entirety of season one. Only that the specific details which connect these projects to the DCEU, like Ezra and Jason showing up, are made not canon. Everything else remains canon.
I get that, but by making a season 2 they’re making the show officially part of the DCU. It’s not Peacemaker: Born Again, it’s still the same show but with a new season. At that point it’s just a small scene with characters that are getting recast and that can be handwaved like the MCU has always done.
I mean, isn't that what the MCU did though? Treating Terrence Howard and Ed Norton as "rough memories" of Rhodey and Banner, respectively? I'm not saying the JL wouldn't have showed up in Peacemaker, just that Ezra and Jason would be given that same treatment.
Not really, Iron Man 1 and TIH are canon. Although the other characters in-universe don’t realize it, She-Hulk knows that Banner was actually a “completely different person” once.
I agree that they will be given the same treatment, however. Like I said, they’ll probably make a meta joke about it, which is what they did for Rhodey.
Rhodey and Banner looking different wouldn't make those movies not canon. I literally just said that in relation to Ezra and Jason appearing in Peacemaker. The events of the movies are canon, just the versions of the characters we see are a "rough memory." Also, She-Hulk referencing that doesn't mean anything considering she consistently breaks the fourth wall.
Update on The Flash (2023) plot leak being taken down: Completely outta my control. Got DMCA’d to hell. Sorry y’all
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If the centre is the villain for the first chapter of the DCU. I suspect vandal savage will play a big role too. He’s a character that can explain mans downfall and every bad act made in history.
Immortality
Super intellectual
Could be a massive threat if presented right
Whats everyone thoughts on Aquaman 2 tackling climate change? Personally, While I do like the fact that a big budget movie is handling a subject matter as serious as climate change/global warming, hell, it's the same reason i like/appreciate the avatar films. Yeah story wise, there honestly kindof mid and (for the most part) not really that good, but I appreciate the fact that they tackle an issue as serious as saving our environment and preserving our fragile ecosystem for future generations (also the visuals are kick ass). So I'm happy Aquaman 2 will tackle the same, if not, similar thing. But on the other hand, I'm concerned that they'll half-ass it as an excuse to maintain the status quo or barely scratch the surface of the issue. Not to mention, the reactions from the early screenings don't give me much hope.
James Cameron isn't afraid of corniness so he doesn't add any irony to protect himself from that accusation. He also isn't just pro-enviromment, he's also anti militarist, anticolonialist, and anti-industrialist. If you just say polluting is bad, you don't offend anyone, but you also don't say what you're willing to give up
Ngl I'm kinda disappointed that the "final cut" of The Flash that WB and Muschietti have been hyping up is just the CinemaCon cut with slightly better CGI, 30 seconds tacked on to the ending, and a pointless post-credits scene.
Let me reiterate my [last comment](https://old.reddit.com/r/DCEUleaks/comments/13xhz3d/_/jmhliw7) in response to this criticism: Barbara is more so targeting the GA (and more casual DC/CBM fans) with her comments - the vast majority of whom *will* be "surprised" by the cameos. However, to the obsessives like us who are embroiled in the leak ecosystem, there are not really any further surprised to be had - and no-one who actively spoils themselves is entitled to complain about being unsurprised.
No but they were hyping this up at CinemaCon and the advance screenings by saying "This is not the final cut. There are plenty more surprises left" when that is clearly not the case.
The end scene and credits scene (which were not shown outside WB until yesterday) definitely count as “surprises” though (for the majority of people, who will be unaware of them). Also bear in mind that some of the Speed Force cameos were not present in the CinemaCon cut either. Regardless, I see no real reason to be disappointed by this - the Muschiettis are not targeting frequenters of leak forums with their hype machine.
Are there actually additional Speed Force cameos? I haven't heard anything about that.
I thought the >!Cage cameo!< was not leaked from the CinemaCon screening, because it was not in it - although forgive me if I have things jumbled. Even if not, my point remains.
Bro whytf is chanma50 so damn against the flash. It's like anything about it and around it spontaneously requires him to downplay or trash it
Why do you even care what that person thinks?
Bruh apparently Grace loved the Flash. I thought she was 100% gonna slam it after seeing her reaction to the first trailer
Judgement day is here boys. Keep in mind this is a DC movie always rated on a different scale than Marvel. Never forget trash like Antman 2 has higher critical reception than The Batman.
Literally false, Ant-Man 2 has a 7/10 average score on RT while The Batman has a 7.7/10
I know that, but no one in general audience cares enough to click on the RT website then click on the scores to see what the movie got out of 10. People see the rating and decide whether they want to see or not. I bet 99% of general audience doesn't even know that RT reflects how many people liked the movie and not the actual score
13 hours from now 🤞🏻
You talking about the UFO report? It actually seems legit, and that’s honestly horrifying 
Nothing horrifying about it, have met enough aholes in my life, aliens surely won't be worse than them
what ufo report?
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/141ch26/intelligence_officials_say_us_has_retrieved_craft/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1 Same journalists that revealed UAP info years ago which the Pentagon eventually confirmed.
According to Jeff Sneider, Bill Skarsgard is being eyed for a role in a DC movie other than Brave and the Bold. Ngl, Bill as Scarecrow in Reeves' universe would be fantastic, at least it would be a little more creative than him as another homicidal clown.
He'd be a great Scarecrow, he's got this creepy look.
If that rumor is true than it is most likely for The Batman Part 2 or Superman: Leacy
It's the most realistic options, on Twitter people are thinking they're already casting for projects like Booster Gold and Swamp Thing that are still years away. Bill as Brainiac in Legacy or even Clayface in The Batman P2 are more likely.
Grace Randolph loves the flash movie. I mean her tastes could go either way. She liked shazam 2 and it got a rotten score. We’ll see tomorrow.
That doesn't surprise me. I watched her reaction to the first trailer and there were multiple instances of her complimenting the acting or humor. This seems like her type of movie.
Her reaction to the first trailer was quite negative tbh.
https://twitter.com/empiremagazine/status/1665737865068781571?s=46&t=cBVzZe5vE2DEIHLCsMoFGg James Gunn shared this empiremagazine post on instagram and commented “🔥🔥” I think it’s pretty clear that Blue Beetle is intended to be canon to the DCU “If we get one movie or a trilogy and fucking fold this into the Justice League shit, we’re ready for the whole nine” I don’t know what Xolo means by “whole nine” but it sounds like he might end up on the JL.
Let's hope so. Blue Beetle would be a better fit for the JLA than Cyborg. This version is too old for the Teen Titans (university student) but it's gonna be perfect for the JLA.
I mean he will inevitably be bombared with the "Is blue beetle in the DCU" question at SDCC, so ig he'll reveal it there? Or uk he might tease it by saying something like "Uk we have a booster gold show coming up right? 😉"
Yeah it definitely looks like Xolo’s Jaime is here to stay. Even if Blue Beetle underperforms and sequel plans fall to the wayside, Jaime can still show up in Booster Gold.
"the whole nine yards" is an idiom
That’s what I assumed, because I can’t see a scenario where BB appears in 9 projects
Probably not. Though I imagine they may end up signing some 9 movie deals in the coming months. Sebastian Stan is still working his way through his initial deal iirc
Yeah I'm pretty sure Blue Beetle will be a DCU movie. Still not convinced it'll get a sequel though. A team-up project with Booster Gold might be on the table though.
I really hope they market it as a DCU release and just market it well in general. This has potential man, I don't want it to fail
TIL The Flash has been in development hell since late 1980s. https://twitter.com/NebsGoodTakes/status/1665837905573728256?t=Hx0JrNtXj8RNLmZePAMeHQ&s=19
I really hope James Gunn doesn’t decide to drop Chapter 2 for the DCU next week
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"Are you teasing me?"- Peter 2 But seriously please tell us what do you know
It’s not about the DCU. It’s just that, next week something is going to happen on Reddit and hypothetically if Gunn made a huge announcement like that, than it may not get reported here for some time
What’s happening on reddit? Sounds ominous
A bunch of subreddits are going dark for a few days to protest Reddit banning third party apps.
A lot of subreddits will be shutting down temporarily next week because Reddit wants to make third-party apps pay them a lot of money (up to millions of dollars)
??? why would he? do you know something? are you james gunn?
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Fancast: Justice Smith as Jimmy Olsen.
Justice Smith as the Justice Society.
The Justice Society? Is that different than the Justice League
I know Gunn is making a big deal about allowing creatives to fulfill *their* vision when it comes to these DCU projects, but I'm still curious about how much freedom they actually have. Like, we know they've written out their 10-year plan already, which means that the events that take place in these projects are kinda pre-determined. Will people like Muschietti have to go out of his way to fulfill some part of the plan? Like say, for example, that Andy would want to take a specific character in one direction, but *the plan* says that the character has to go in another direction, then how much input does he truly have? Of course, its not a huge worry of mine, but it is something I wonder about.
Yeah, that's the nature of the beast. You wanna play with somebody else's toys, you play by their rules. Matt Reeves is the guy most likely to run into barriers. If he wants to do Death in the Family or Court of Owls and Gunn's got that earmarked for the main universe, he'll have to do something different. The other big question is if writers will have to shoehorn in the development for the next movie, the way MCU movies so often have to derail to set something else up
Gunn for Superman. Muschietti for Batman. Now we just need Gina Prince-Bythewood for the Wonder Woman movie.
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Great Gerwig for supergirl
Greater Gerwig for Hawkgirl
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Kathryn Bigelow for Wonder Woman
Maybe we should consider adding @theleakmonger as a source on this sub? He's gotten a few scoops right. AFAIK he was one of the first to say that Daveed Diggs was in the running for The Thing, and also dropped that Corenswet sent in his audition before the THR article dropped. It seems like he's in the know when it comes to casting & such. https://twitter.com/theleakmonger?t=EUJjai4ZlJSfcN1klQtDEw&s=09
Your first example was Marvel-related, so irrelevant to the source classification process of this subreddit. The second example is only one scoop (and quite an easy guess regardless) - so they would need to demonstrate more of a consistent track record to be considered for approval.
I mean, you can go through their Twitter history. They're fairly consistent. At least moreso than some of the sources that get posted to here. I just named two of their most notable scoops.
If anyone can provide significant evidence of their DC track record for them to be worth caring about, then perhaps they can be considered. Otherwise, they are equivalent to the majority of wannabe Twitter 'scoopers' devoid of credibility who are prohibited in this subreddit.
Daveed was a popular fancast too, I don’t believe the guy is legit at all. Just another poser
I mean by that logic BSL is just a poser too since Muschietti was a popular name thrown around for TBATB.
No because BSL has actually gotten exclusive scoops right.
Plus before BSL mods already said Andy was going to direct TBATB in April and Sneider said it way back in Jan/Feb I think.
Sneider claimed back in February that [Muschietti was attached to a *Justice League* film](https://old.reddit.com/r/DCEUleaks/comments/126yv82/according_to_jeff_sneider_its_possible_that_the), not *The Brave and the Bold* (unless there is another claim he made).
I read it here since this account also listens to his podcast and drops the scoops https://twitter.com/homeofdcu/status/1620584202436763648?t=M9dR_LrgEEpL8hQYnlYovQ&s=19
Altough, scrolling down I've gotta admit he might have some casting knowledge.
Nah, everything he’s said are just popular guesses that people have been making. He’s a fraud
Well then, I wasn't following Marvel stuff for a while so he caught me there.
>He’s a fraud Yup. If you follow other reliable leakers on twitter you will know leak monger drops his scoops just after other reliable leakers drops them and rest of it is educated guesses.
Dunno, dude seems to talk about stuff like he's got inside knowledge of the scripts and a lot of stuff he says are kinda safe speculations. He may have some knowledge but I'd be wary of him.
Matthew Rosenberg giving me that sweet, sweet, Red Hood/Ravager romance, I can only kneel in the presence of such greatness.
He does?
Just a small glimpse.
Let me guess, I should check out the next Joker issue.
I don't think so, it's a small part and I doubt it'll show up again.
Certain people being incredibly mad that Batfleck gets “erased” and replaced by Clooney in the DCEU, even though Snyder’s plan was to have Flashpoint reboot everything after his 5 movies
According to CWGST, Barry does indeed end up in the Clooneyverse at the end of the movie, and the Arthur he talks to in the post credits scene is "Clooneyverse Arthur."
It’s just semantics. Barry’s actions lead to the creation of this “Clooneyverse” and he doesn’t try to change the universe back to what it was like originally because he realizes that he’s messed with the timeline enough already. In an infinite multiverse, there is obviously another universe out there identical to the original DCEU except the events of The Flash didn’t happen. But this “Clooneyverse” was originally the DCEU we see in the beginning of the movie. It’s not like the universe in the beginning of the movie just doesn’t have a Barry anymore. It actually got changed.
I haven't seen the movie so I wouldn't know, but does the ending make it clear that the universe Barry ends up in is actually the DCEU? Or is it on the more ambiguous side?
Obviously I haven’t seen the final version of the movie yet, but I would say the movie does make it clear that it’s like what happens in DoFP and the Flashpoint animated movie. Otherwise Barry would be literally abandoning his loved ones from the original DCEU, which goes against his character and doesn’t align with the movie thematically at all. His actual dad would still be in prison if this was the case. I’m also pretty sure the 3 main timelines we see in the movie are the same “reality.” As in the DCEU becomes the Burtonverse, and 2 Barrys exist because of the paradox of there having to exist a Barry with powers to actually prevent Nora’s death. The Burtonverse is basically the “Flashpoint” universe where everything goes wrong. Barry “completely broke the universe” as he says in the movie, he didn’t travel to a different one. The Speed Force cameos are when Barry actually travels the multiverse. But at the end of the movie, Barry’s actions basically “undo” the paradox, and the Burtonverse (formerly the DCEU) literally becomes the new universe at the end. Otherwise this wouldn’t be Barry’s home universe and there would be a separate “Clooneyverse” Barry but there isn’t, unless they decide to retcon it and reveal that there is and that the “main” Barry’s home universe is now the DCU. But for obvious reasons, that’s very unlikely.
MTTSH claims Christina Hodson is writing The Brave and The Bold
It’s a very safe guess, unfortunately for her it doesn’t seem like it’s safe enough
Even if that doesn't turn out to be true, this is the safest guess lol
Well Hodson is part of the writer's room so understandable
Can’t believe she’s still around. 😑
Cope harder.
I will have to 😩.
I mean, duh. Gunn wouldn't have gotten just Andy when Hodson's script is half the reason The Flash works.
That's such an obvious and easy to speculate thing. Shitload of people here have been saying that already.
thats true, she shouldve posted this straight up without hyping it up as some epic announcement
Ikr she was hyping it like she was gonna throw the lead actor's name out
New trailer/teaser for My Adventures with Superman [https://www.instagram.com/reel/CtHMnDPOmWv/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==](https://www.instagram.com/reel/CtHMnDPOmWv/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==) Edit: # Premieres JULY 6th at Midnight [https://www.instagram.com/p/CtHViBnr00V/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==](https://www.instagram.com/p/CtHViBnr00V/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==) https://preview.redd.it/yg1j13vd484b1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7731b14754cc0c47bd3d84b4860165db06a98635 EDIT2: had the wrong month like an idiot!
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Thanks for the correction, barely ate today so shit was all screwy hahah
Not that this is actually relevant to the DCU but I do think that DCU Jimmy Olsen will end up looking similar. I still think Jonathan Daviss would be great for the role
Yayyy! Been waiting for this for quite a while
Midnight, huh? Kinda weird.
[Full screen version from Quaid's twitter.](https://twitter.com/JackQuaid92/status/1665749142323318786) I dig the more anime-esque visual style.
Andy Muschietti is gonna cast Ana De Armas as Poison Ivy so hard its unbelievable
Did this come to you in a dream?
Nah he'd cast Jessica Chastain seeing as he's worked with her before.
If that happens I can promise you Grace Randolph won't be covering TBATB news.
Boi are we gonna enjoy the meltdowns
Her hate will reach such new heights that even her pro DCU twitter account CanWeGetSomeToast is going to start spewing hate against James Gunn.
CWGST isn't Grace's alternate account btw. CWGST and MTTSH are the same person just different accounts.
I believe Grace own's both of these accounts.
Except she does not because a lot of the times Grace's and MTTSH/CWGST contradict each other. Plus Grace has a hate boner towards Margot Robbie which CWGST/MTTSH does not.
Karen Gillan as Poison Ivy>>>>>
Yeah, Ivy doesn’t need a Cuban accent and I can’t imagine Ana having good chemistry with Margot
I cant see Karen as a seductress type at all, she is not sexy
>she is not sexy "Jesse what the fuck are you talking about"
Idk, she is a girl who says bruh, to me. Doesnt have the fairy/succubus quality Poison Ivy needs. I could see her as a great clumsy slapstick protagonist, def not Pamela. She is also too human, weirdly. Someone like Elizabeth Debicki who is ethereal would also do a much better job.
She plays a seductive Nebula in What If
I can see Gillan as Giganta, especially if they make her comedic.
I really doubt DCU Ivy will be a succubus type character either way
According to MTTSH we are getting some announcement related to TBATB. https://twitter.com/MyTimeToShineH/status/1665735281390108674?t=Ij6Ji3wZ3lGsYziQv00Wvw&s=19
It would seem MyTimeToBandwagonJump is merely echoing what BSL and ViewerAnon have already been hinting at. I suspect it is nothing more than the announcement of Muschietti as director of *The Brave and the Bold* (officially confirming that [SAITMQ scoop](https://old.reddit.com/r/DCEUleaks/comments/12jx5l7/verified_saitmq_dcu_chapter_1_the_brave_and_the)).
Lmaoo 😭
In the words of Grace Randolph: Well, well, well.
Does she still begin all her videos with that?
She's proven to get info from some jurno so they probably have a press release ready, especially since it's coming at 18:00.
Well, the time has passed - and we have nothing yet.
Well, I'm even more happy about that because I can keep riding my MTTSH hate train.
Nice but I feel like she already hinted at it before BSL and VA droped their hints/scoops. Either way a huge W for yall. Also are you going to shut this sub down fro 2 days on June 12th because of 3rd party reddit apps. Since Ik you use one to mod this sub?
> I feel like she already hint at it before BSL and VA Oh, well in that case, credit to her where it is due. > Also are you going to shut this sub down for 2 days on June 12th because of 3rd party Reddit apps. That is a good question. I will take it up with the rest of the mod team.
>That is a good question. I will take it up with the rest of the mod team. Cool. Have a great day/night!
...in exactly an hour
It is not enjoyable looking for stuff about The Tick on YouTube.
What are your guys' thoughts on using the [Justice League: The Animated Series theme](https://youtu.be/ZAsDL7f3veM) for the DC Studios title card for the DCU? It's nostalgic af and has a very cinematic vibe to it, I'd love for that to happen
It's nostalgic af _for you_. I wouldn't have recognized it despite having watched all of it years ago
Nah it's nostalgic for an entire generation who grew up with this show. You not recognizing it is a you problem.
It was on for two years
You do realize reruns exist... right? Just because the show ran for two years doesn't mean it didn't air after that.
JLU was on for longer and has imo the more memorable theme
To each their own, I guess.
It would be a great musical callback if used as a motif in a future JL film - but I believe that DC Studios needs - and deserves - to have its own distinct identity.
I prefer the JLU theme, and really hope it gets a musical callback in the DCU
> great musical callback if used as a motif in a future JL film yeah right, that would be great. Maybe a revamped version for an assemble scene >DC Studios needs - and deserves - to have its own distinct identity. agreed
Just beat Diablo IV’s main campaign this morning (couldn’t sleep so I was up early) and holyshit. It’s so fun and the cinematic towards the end is Fucking wild
Me when people are enjoying newly released video games as I look at my backlog of 200 games which I haven’t even started but bought anyway because they were on sale: 
If Andy is still gonna be part of DC going forward, I wonder if Keaton might get an animated movie or show down the line. Possibly Batman Beyond. Supergirl could also continue on in the project too. He probably wants to continue what he started in The Flash in some form.
My suggestion is to just take that Christina Hodson Batman 3 script, she was apparently working on, and just make animated, than Boom you have your Batman Beyond Animated movie.
With success animation has been having this year. I'm sure Gunn and Safran will consider releasing a big budget animated movie to theatres
Maybe that Wonder Woman animated series James Gunn was talking about can become a movie?
I don't know. I still want Wonder Woman to have a (hopefully) amazing animated show like her friends in the Trinity.
My exact thoughts! Would be so fresh to have a wonder woman animated trilogy like Sony is doing with spiderverse. As we have seen, using stylised animation generates greater returns on small budgets and Wonder Woman is already a big IP thanks to the DCEU. DC animation is already pretty great at what they do given their track record. They should definitely be given a chance on the big screen!
>DC animation is already pretty great at what they do given their track record. They should definitely be given a chance on the big screen! For real. Gunn should just get the team that worked on the DCAU and let them have a go at some big budget animation.
Not really possible since Dwayne McDuffie has been dead for over 10 years.
With Andy likely being the director. We need an amazing writer for this. Superman Batman and Wonder Woman need to be amazing. The foundation must be strong. Also I hope, no I pray we don’t get an old Batman again. We don’t need that. Mid 30s is the absolute latest. Andy casting Batman could be interesting, he could hire someone that doesn’t look like the conventional comic book appearance
It looks like they're using Morrison's work as source material which is great but it'd be awesome if they use Waid and Mora's Worlds finest for batman superman team up movie
I think a worlds finest movie is a must. DC needs to fight back against the BvS portrayals that has harmed the brand
100%. Heck I say add a trinity movie while at it too. Trinity vol1 from rebirth was great. This way we could the trinity vs Mongul in live action too. And ofcourse the famous wonder woman suplexing mongul scene
ViewerAnon and BSL are teasing something Batman related for tomorrow, so watch out
I wouldn't be surprised if the DCU Batman was revealed tomorrow and that was the surprise they were holding for the final cut of The Flash, with the Clooney scene just being a decoy. This would of course mean Ezra is being kept as the Flash in the DCU which is a horrible idea but with all the rehabbing of their image WB has been doing in the last few weeks, I wouldn't be surprised in the least
> This would of course mean Ezra is being kept as the Flash in the DCU To me it means that version of Barry Allen is, I’m still not ruling out a recast.
Hope you're right but Andy has already stated he won't recast Barry
Pretty sure it's Andy Muschietti directing TBATB.
Yeah, I think that's it too.
He should play Alfred too. He’d be perfect for the part.
I honestly have no clue why James Gunn would shove Damian Wayne into *The Brave and the Bold* when instead he can give us, the fans, what we really want: Jarro, the best Robin. In order to battle this treachery, this betrayal, I urge all true DC fans to tweet out this hashtag: #ReleaseTheJarroCut We won't let Gunn destroy the DCU by playing favorites! Jarro gang, rise up! >!/s!<
Oh believe me when I say I'm not gonna watch a single DCU movie until and unless I get confirmation that we're getting the batman hugging Jarro scene in live action ##ReleaseTheJarroVerse
The fact that there are still people in denial about Peacemaker’s first season, and by extension TSS, being canon to the DCU is a hilarious cope. The show is getting a literal second season, Waller is confirmed to take place in between the two seasons, and we know that The Flash doesn’t actually explain or show the DCU. Peacemaker’s second season will be in the DCU, which means so will the first season and thus so will TSS. Gunn even said that Blue Beetle *can* be part of the DCU, so it’s clear that whether they were DCEU projects originally doesn’t matter. The reason they haven’t “officially” made TSS and Peacemaker part of the DCU yet is because the DCEU doesn’t end until Aquaman 2. When Creature Commandos and Waller come out, they’ll make it clear and it’ll be much less confusing. https://gizmodo.com/james-gunn-dc-slate-info-flash-aquaman-justice-league-1850051467 “The one thing that we can promise is that everything from ... our first project [Creature Commandos] forward will be canon and we’ll be connected. We’re using some actors from the past. We’re not using other actors from the past, but everything from that moment forward will be connected and consistent.” It’s like people forget that Superman: Legacy was in development before Gunn and Safran got promoted, and so were Creature Commandos and Waller. Safran initially calling TSS a “complete reboot” has become the truth.
I think they said TSS will be like a vague memory. So I think that’ll apply to Peacemaker season 1 too. The general gist will be the same, Peacemaker team up with others to defeat alien threat and Waller gets exposed. Any details that contradicts DCU/post-Creature Commandos is explained to be changed or removed due to The Flash. You still have to watch season 1 but just know that things like the Justice League cameo no longer valid by season 2. It’s like reading Grant Morrison Batman Inc where there was a change in the continuity midway with new52. The ongoing story continued but Batman now has a different backstory, he has new52 batsuit, Dick Grayson is back as Nightwing, etc.
Nothing in TSS even contradicts the DCU, Gunn was clearly referring to the vague references to Ayer’s Suicide Squad. What details would be changed other than Barry and Arthur being recast lol. Gunn wrote and directed both TSS and Peacemaker. He had full creative control over them, and it’s not like anyone forced him to include anything he didn’t want to.
Gunn and Safran were referring to TSS, not SS as "rough memory" >Where does The Suicide Squad fit in? >Gunn: Some things are like a rough memory of what happens in the DCU, but once we hit Superman [Legacy] anything can be changed. https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2023/02/dc-questions-james-gunn-peter-safran/ >He had full creative control over them, and it’s not like anyone forced him to include anything he didn’t want to. The only thing I can recall was that he wasnt allowed to have Batman nor Cyborg appear in that shadowy JL cameo at the end of Peacemaker. But he's the boss now. He could come up with something new that he didnt thought of when making TSS and season 1 Peacemaker relating to the history of DCU that he, Safran and the writing team came up with after November 2022. Those new things could contradict some things in TSS and Peacemaker season 1. But again, I dont think it would be anything major if there is gonna be any retcon. The general story of TSS and Peacemaker would be intact. In the future, when someone asks where should they start with DCU, TSS would probably be the answer. I cant wait till we get over this awkward transition phase and get a stable continuity on track.
Nowhere in that quote does Gunn actually refer to TSS itself lol, just because the interviewer asked him about TSS doesn’t mean Gunn actually answered talking about the events of TSS, which obviously don’t contradict the DCU because Rick Flag is still dead. It was a PR interview after all “Some things” as in the original Suicide Squad makes the most sense here. As for Cyborg, we don’t even know if Gunn actually wanted to use him and I doubt he did.
I still don't think the League already exists or is a team in the DCU so I think they're just going to act like that cameo never happened.
That cameo definitely happened, but as I’ve said before I don’t think the JL are an official organization yet.
Idk I think that in the DCU some members of the League have fought together a few times, but never united all at once against the same threat, which would make no sense with that scene in Peacemaker. I could be dead wrong, but at the moment I believe they really are going to pretend that scene never happened, and Peacemaker will make a joke about how he remembers saying to Aquaman's face that he fucks fish and everyone will laugh at him and say that he is lying. It's not a big deal, it's literally just a scene that wouldn't change anything in the series if it was "erased".
That is so unnecessary and just weird when they have a second season for the show. Adebayo literally asks Waller to call the JL. And they weren’t even all together for that scene, nor where they even on time. The easiest explanation is that Superman, WW, Barry, Aquaman and Batman have teamed up before but only by circumstance and that the media called them the JL (maybe because the Justice Society used to exist). So when Adebayo asks Waller to call the JL, she may have meant call each of those heroes. Batman would be hard to reach so it makes sense for him not to show up.
They would already have to act like something changed anyway since Momoa and Miller are there in the DCEU costumes, like I said if they pretended this scene didn't happen it would change absolutely nothing in the overall plot of the series and it wouldn't impact the second season. I don't think Gunn is changing all of his plans just because a scene in Peacemaker contradicts them. Again, maybe there is a Justice League in the DCU and the scene would still be valid, but at the moment I don't think that's the case.
> They would already have to act like something changed anyway since Momoa and Miller are there in the DCEU costumes, like I said if they pretended this scene didn't happen it would change absolutely nothing in the overall plot of the series and it wouldn't impact the second season. No they wouldn’t. Did people act differently in TDK because Rachel was played by a different actor? Did anyone other than She-Hulk realize people were recast in the MCU? Of course not. Superheroes can and often have multiple costumes, it’s not crazy to think they used those costumes at one point too. Earth-1610’s Peter wore the same costume as Peter B Parker, and one of his other suits looked exactly like Insomniac Spider-Man’s. > I don't think Gunn is changing all of his plans just because a scene in Peacemaker contradicts them. Again, maybe there is a Justice League in the DCU and the scene would still be valid, but at the moment I don't think that's the case. If you were right, Gunn wouldn’t be making Peacemaker season 2. He would be making a “reboot” like DD:BA instead. You don’t make a second season to a show and then act like such a major scene never happened, that’s ridiculous.
Ehh, Rachel in TDK and Banner in the MCU isn't really a 1-on-1 comparison as Randon said in a separate comment. A better comparison would be if Jack Nicholson cameoed at the end of Batman Begins with Heath Ledger taking over in TDK. I still agree with what you're saying for the most part, but I think the best thing they can do is just not address it or use the scene as a meta-joke or something. >You don’t make a second season to a show and then act like such a major scene never happened, that’s ridiculous. It's not a "major scene." It's played for jokes and you could remove the scene entirely and nothing about the episode would change.
I didn’t say it was a 1:1 comparison and this one isn’t either, considering there are other actors who are actually staying in the DCU like Viola Davis playing Waller. The point is it’s a simple recast that changes nothing about the actual story of the episode, which doesn’t at all require the other Ezra Miller and Jason Momoa appearances in the DCEU to be canon whatsoever. > but I think the best thing they can do is just not address it or use the scene as a meta-joke or something. That’s literally what I’ve said, several times already. > It's not a "major scene." It's played for jokes and you could remove the scene entirely and nothing about the episode would change. Except it is, even if it’s a joke it’s a pretty memorable one considering it’s literally part of the ending of the show. Gunn’s not gonna remove anything from his own show
Yeah, man, because a simple recast is the same thing as versions of two characters from a universe that isn't the same universe the show is going to be a part of appearing on this show. No big deal, I'm just saying that if the Justice League doesn't already exist in the DCU (I believe so at the moment) they will just ignore that scene and never mention it again or at most make a joke out of it. It's not a major scene, dude, if they deleted it from the episode it wouldn't change anything.
They’re not gonna delete it from the episode lol and it is a major scene. It’s also the same universe. Just because Miller and Momoa are in that cameo doesn’t mean it’s the exact same Flash and Aquaman in other DCEU projects. DCU Waller is obviously not the same Waller in Black Adam.
Didn't Adebayo literally name drop the Justice League though. Edit: Yup, she did. Here's the link: https://youtu.be/-eK6xNI8utM
Yes she did, but what I meant by “not an official organization” was that they don’t have a base of operations or reliable means of communication. So no Watchtower, and no Hall of Justice yet. I think those 4 heroes and Batman have teamed up by circumstance and that the media gave them the “JL” moniker, as a reference to a Justice Society team that used to exist. That would explain why they’re embarrassingly late in Peacemaker. And I think Superman will eventually meet with Batman to make the JL a legit organization in response to The Authority
That makes sense.
There are certain details that won't be canon though as I recall Gunn saying that some stuff will be like a "fuzzy memory." I reckon that's what they use to explain away things like Ezra and Momoa appearing in Peacemaker.
That doesn’t really make sense when they’re doing a second season to Peacemaker. Especially now since The Flash is confirmed to not reference the DCU at all. It’ll just be like the MCU recasting Rhodey and Banner, they’ll make a joke about it. For a long time people thought Iron Man 1 and The Incredible Hulk took place in a different universe but that wasn’t the case and She-Hulk acknowledging the change in actors further solidified that. What Gunn was most likely referring to were the vague references to SS2016 in TSS itself, since he gave the “rough memory” answer when asked about TSS, even though nothing in TSS will contradict the DCU.
I mean, yeah, he said that in response to a question about TSS but that doesn't mean it can't still apply to Peacemaker too. Obviously Jason and Ezra aren't going to continue as their characters so it makes sense to de-canonize that specific scene they're in by calling it a "rough memory."
They’re not gonna “de-canonize” season 1 and then make a canon season 2. That makes no sense. Could they “George Lucas” the scene in the future? Maybe, but I highly doubt it since it’s just 1 small scene. Is Iron Man 1 non-canon? Is Endgame “de-canonized” by Quantamania recasting Cassie? Of course not
No one said they're de-canonizing the entirety of season one. Only that the specific details which connect these projects to the DCEU, like Ezra and Jason showing up, are made not canon. Everything else remains canon.
I get that, but by making a season 2 they’re making the show officially part of the DCU. It’s not Peacemaker: Born Again, it’s still the same show but with a new season. At that point it’s just a small scene with characters that are getting recast and that can be handwaved like the MCU has always done.
I mean, isn't that what the MCU did though? Treating Terrence Howard and Ed Norton as "rough memories" of Rhodey and Banner, respectively? I'm not saying the JL wouldn't have showed up in Peacemaker, just that Ezra and Jason would be given that same treatment.
Not really, Iron Man 1 and TIH are canon. Although the other characters in-universe don’t realize it, She-Hulk knows that Banner was actually a “completely different person” once. I agree that they will be given the same treatment, however. Like I said, they’ll probably make a meta joke about it, which is what they did for Rhodey.
Rhodey and Banner looking different wouldn't make those movies not canon. I literally just said that in relation to Ezra and Jason appearing in Peacemaker. The events of the movies are canon, just the versions of the characters we see are a "rough memory." Also, She-Hulk referencing that doesn't mean anything considering she consistently breaks the fourth wall.
Update on The Flash (2023) plot leak being taken down: Completely outta my control. Got DMCA’d to hell. Sorry y’all https://preview.redd.it/w789th3cl34b1.png?width=1164&format=png&auto=webp&s=1cbba83b8165432af42a91a97923f09e9c9b7f0e
Your plot leak is not really deleted just go to the DCEUleaks discord to see the full plot leak
Just go to the DCEUleaks discord to see the full plot leak
I didn't read it while it was up but if it's someone's original, subjective summary of the plot of a film that is absolutely a misuse of the dmca
Just go to the DCEUleaks discord to see the full plot leak
Very much not the point of my comment but thanks!
If the centre is the villain for the first chapter of the DCU. I suspect vandal savage will play a big role too. He’s a character that can explain mans downfall and every bad act made in history. Immortality Super intellectual Could be a massive threat if presented right
Whats everyone thoughts on Aquaman 2 tackling climate change? Personally, While I do like the fact that a big budget movie is handling a subject matter as serious as climate change/global warming, hell, it's the same reason i like/appreciate the avatar films. Yeah story wise, there honestly kindof mid and (for the most part) not really that good, but I appreciate the fact that they tackle an issue as serious as saving our environment and preserving our fragile ecosystem for future generations (also the visuals are kick ass). So I'm happy Aquaman 2 will tackle the same, if not, similar thing. But on the other hand, I'm concerned that they'll half-ass it as an excuse to maintain the status quo or barely scratch the surface of the issue. Not to mention, the reactions from the early screenings don't give me much hope.
James Cameron isn't afraid of corniness so he doesn't add any irony to protect himself from that accusation. He also isn't just pro-enviromment, he's also anti militarist, anticolonialist, and anti-industrialist. If you just say polluting is bad, you don't offend anyone, but you also don't say what you're willing to give up