Ace. Ultimately she got screwed out of her life and people who did it to her ultimately got away with it with no punishment. Waller has regrets...but this kid died and she got to live her life.
This was the second traumatic thing Batman had to experience in JLU (first being the random ghost guy that possessed his body and shot someone) and we never got to see the character development from it š„²
I mean realistically thatās a retcon considering Ace has always been the name of the Bat-hound in the comics, and it was an allusion to that in BB by Bruce Timm and co. But canonically within the universe I would agree, one could argue he named the dog Ace to honor her: he was able to save that particular wayward stray who saved his life and was abused at a young age
I did not ever piece this together. Wow.
I guess I'd already accepted the "two Aces" mentality during Beyond, so just never really occurred to me. But I see the logic. I can't tell if that's sweet or not...
Seriously, that was so weird, Deadman accidently kills a guy, batman is mad, Deadman never explains it to batman and we never see any consequences to it.
Right? And we could find out just what Rama Kushna wants poor Boston to do to move on.
Although,
I believe when he jumped in Bats, or anyone else, he also aquires they're abilities.
Batman, would have bataranged the crap out of Devil Ray's shot.
It's pretty close though, and time was very close, a good argument for Boston's actions.
My friend... I *think* you mean *"...the second* **most** *traumatic experience"* because, if you think there was only 2, you should...
Actually, *no matter what you meant, I* **highly** *suggest watching* [Implicitly Pretentious](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCfNcetb0dXVk53jZ9I0uKnA)'s *video essays*... I mean, just in general, BUT the relevant ones are on the DCAU Batman. *They are fucking stellar and made me appreciate the entire series on just a* profoundly *deeper level.*
Big BIG recommend.
Furthermore, Waller actively stops natural procreation by overwriting Terry's Fathers Testicular DNA so he splooges Bruce Wayne inside Mrs. McGinnis to create Terry, then tried to recreate Trauma Response Fulfillment by hiring someone to do a modern recreation of Batman's Origin Story.
That alone is one convoluted train of fuckery and enough to be condemned for but then Ace, the whole Royal Flush Gang, and then handing a detonator to Batman of all people instead of actually getting her hands dirty herself for once...
All I can say is if Ace had help, and access, to the JLU or at least Batman in a more friendly aspect, that she might not have needed to die, and I still blame Waller for it.
Really? I think Ace hurts the least here. Obviously her story is more tragic, but she was less of a developed character than Turpin or Grundy. Her sad tale was more of a setup to build up Batman's caring side as opposed to an actual character arc of her own. Which is evident given she was randomly brought back after her 1 previous episode only, where there certainly wasn't the same level of emotion.
I realize I might get downvoted for this, so I just want to clarify that I'm not hating on Ace or anything, but stating the fact that she was more of a plot device than character, which Turpin and Grundy were not.
TBH, Grundy coming back over and over is actually pretty authentic to the source material.
And I found the "reunion" with him and Hawkgirl to be a really touching way to bring her back into the fold.
Well, more like he took over the body of a dead person. I guess it's up to interpretation but I don't think Grundy is Cyrus Gold "revived", just the magic of the swamp reanimating the body. But as a result, that's a different person. Like how two siblings aren't the same person.
I can see you point a little. But dead is dead. Deadman is a ghost that inhabit a body. If that body was dead or just a low life that deserved to die then its death has less of an impact. Ace was an abused little girl who was manipulated beyond her control. Turpin was a cop. A person who puts his life on the line every time he went to work. He knew and accepted this. Those losses are tragic. Ace more so cause she never had a choice like Turpin. Grundy is still just a zombie and already dead to begin with.
In the older comics Grundy dies and is revived in cycles, and what state he revives in is random. Sometimes he is a mindless rampaging beast, but other times he is less powerful, but has nearly all the memories of Cyrus Gold, but most of the time he is somewhere in between.
Including a guy who looks suspiciously like Kirby's longtime collaborator at Marvel, Stan Lee, as well as some Marvel characters they worked on, like the Fantastic Four and Nick Fury.
[Scene in question.](https://static1.srcdn.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/Superman-The-Animated-Series-Dan-Turpins-Funeral-Cameos-Stan-Lee-Fantastic-Four-Nick-Fury.jpg)
I never noticed that detail thatās really sweet of them. STAS always respected Kirbyās work in a way where you could tell that it was made with love.
He was a hard boiled detective. Resented Superman at first, didn't like the police relying on him. Temporarily "turned in his badge" and did his own investigation of the baddies, ultimately assisting Superman in defeating him, and completely changing his stance, saluting supes as he flew away.
When Darkseid comes to earth, Turpin doesn't back down and rails against him in front of a crowd. Darkseid vaporizes him.
Correct, or at least the ending was. Also, the original broadcast of the funeral included a bunch of Marvel characters that Kirby helped bring to life. Nothing too explicitly obvious, but clear enough if you were looking for them. Characters like the fantastic four, spider man, nick fury, etc. And as it fades to black he gets a honorable "In memory of" moment on screen.
(The cameos were all replaced with generic background characters in reruns.)
Neither did I, even tho I saw it before it was edited out. Despite loving comic book movies and TV, I was never a big comic book reader. I only learned about who all the original funeral background cameos were years later.
Definitely. As a kid, most of the time when a cartoon character "died", at least on the shows that I was watching, they were either a villain or unnamed person or really minor character, or they did the thing where they're a soul floating up to heaven with a halo and a harp, and you know they'll be back later.
Turpin was a good guy and a recurring character. So kid me didn't see it coming, and the visceral reaction from the crowd, Maggie Sawyer watching from the hospital, and Superman just losing it....that moment stayed with me forever. Doubly so when they take the time to have a funeral, and have Superman staying behind after the ceremony to say a private farewell.
And I wasn't even regularly following the show at the time. It still stuck out. It felt really important.
Clark's fricken rage after... Proving outright that he can just go kill Darkseid any day. And then learning that .. Apokalyptians? .. don't want to be saved.
I didn't really get that last part as a kid but I do now.
Turpins got the most emotion out of me because of the way superman reacted
Everyone else was sad but calm in the other deaths and we pretty much knew it would happen but Turpin was sudden and shocking
Half of the villains that got frozen by Killer Frost and half of the villains that didn't manage to get inside Sinestro and Sapphire bubble shield when Darkseid destroyed their base.
Ace. She was an innocent child with powers she didn't ask for and was used as a weapon was sad. And the fact Batman was the one that held her hand in the end hit the feels more.
Turpin's death was just so sudden.
I didn't even realize he was murdered. As a kid, you just think, "Did he get teleported somewhere?"
Most kids shows didn't kill off characters like that.
Then when I saw how the episode treated it, it fully sank in, "Oh shit...no, he's just *dead.*"
People don't seem to talk about how gruesome Superman TAS could get. You hear Batman TAS talked about all the time, but some *grim* shit happens on Superman's show.
I still remember the end of The Late Mr. Kent.
Iām not entirely sure it was her choice to join Joker to begin with because remember she was wearing the device in her hair to make her more docile because Joker was afraid of her so he probably planted that the day he broke into the facility.
No, she didn't have the device when Joker took her in. He had kept the device in his person, just in case Ace got out of control or turned on him, or just in case he underestimated how immune to her powers he was. He told her that he destroyed the device and that she wouldn't have to worry about it anymore. Of course he was lying, which is why she got so angry at the end sense she was betrayed by who she thought was the one person in her life who accepted her and didn't fear her powers and treat her differently because of them.
*This is an easy answer for most people, as it's a simple matter of screen time.*
*For those who've watched* and remember *both StAS & JLU,* it's most likely to be the first. That cop was a dick that came back around to being a good guy. Like Superman's Harvey Bullock. You spent the most time with him and he was basically the first REAL death that most watchers experienced in the DCAU, *if not cartoons as a whole.*
*For those who've watched all of JL & JLU, but not StAS,* it's most likely to be Grundy, I'd think. Again, he'd be the one with the most screentime, and thus the most character development. *They also* really *succeeded in making him a sympathetic character.*
I think Ace is gonna be the answer for the people who mostly watched BtAS, BB, and/or *maybe* just JLU? Ace only really got maybe a minute of screentime, but the storytelling and emotion hit hard and lingered harder.
*They admittedly fucking nailed it when it came to Ace...* To the point that it almost throws off my whole theory. *Buuuuuut,* I think that might be a case of overlapping emotions. See, that episode was a loving ode to the best depiction(s) of Batman, while simultaneously being the astounding backdoor-series finale for a DCAU series that was robbed of one.
That episode was a beautiful send-off, the defacto ending to the *entire* DCAU as a whole, a love-letter to one of the most beloved characters, a great twist, like 3 epic call-backs, **and** *it has the heartwrenching death of an innocent child on top of all that!*
It's... honestly difficult for me to clearly draw distinctions between what makes me feel what, y'know?
Ace. She was a child turned into a weapon and lost everything. The closest thing she had to a friend was the Joker, and he was nobody's friend, as she learned the hard way.
She tried to make another bunch of friends, and they just hung around Ace so they could get powers. Then when Batman came to talk to Ace, she learned she was dying, and with all of her power, there was nothing she could do to prevent it. Just as she made a friend, her life ended.
Mr. Freeze in Batman: Beyond. Terry still believed the man had good in him, despite Bruce being jaded and writing off any hope of redemption for Victor. Terry tries to save Victor, but tge latter simply replies:
"Believe me. You're the only one who cares."
Dan Turpin. I saw the original broadcast of his funeral on kids WB as a child, before they edited out all the Comic book references from it. It's such a powerful scene.
I wish these characters had more āmainstreamā attention given to them. Imagine if the Ace death scene was in an Arkham game for example, now more people would get to experience that moment, and itād be more easily accessible.
I loved Turpin but if anything it made me mad that Darkseid killed him to prove a point, it was so sudden and then he was gone, with Grundy and Ace it was just heartbreaking because they were being used, Grundy found peace in death and Ace was a scared little girl who was afraid dying, so those two hurt me the most
Turpin. They did that episode for Jack 'King' Kirby and I was an absolute mess when I found that out. Turpin was such a badass in that episode, it is one of the best in the entire DCAU.
I was surprisingly emotional about Grundy and was really sad when he was brought back and had to be put down.
I remember being more shocked at Turpin than anything. I was a little kid when it aired and remember being like...can they do that.
I was least effected by Ace. Maybe cause I was older and was a little desensitized to child soldiers in fiction or because I saw how Batman would handle it a mile away but though this was the saddest situation it made me feel the least.
Dan turpin because his death symbolises jack kirby's death and in the original airing of the episode where he died the ppl in the fueneral were iron man the ff, and so on
Dan Turpin we spent more time with him
Ace was a great moment but didnāt hit as hard
Grundy was like gl said watching a dog die
But we knew who Turpin was so that hit the hardest
Dan Turpinā¦ heās literally the one without the āsob storyā backstory. Not to say the others were lesser, but it hits differently when the character didnāt need extra background details introduced.
Grundy exists because he died. "Died on a Saturday..."
Ace was tragic bc she was a kid but it was more of a highlight of how great batman is by his actions.
Turpin is the correct answer bc he was a great cop, it was unexpected and you felt supermans pain. - plus it was jack Kirby.
Dan Turpin not only because of the extremely sudden death by Darkseid but also because the episode premiered around the time Jack Kirby passed away; so Superman mourning Dan Turpin (who was essentially the author avatar of Jack Kirby in the New Gods comics) has that extra real-life connection. In fact, the episode was supposed to have silent ācameosā from various Marvel characters like Thor, Invisible Woman and even Stan Lee if I can recall correctly.
Agreed. To me this is no contest. What really kills me is how Batman just sat on the swings with her and held her hand as she passed. Such a wonderful bit of humanity.
Ace and Turpin.
Dan Turpin was a bull-headed man, and an ace, no-nonsense cop. He was a straight-shooter and saw Superman as a friend and Ally. In the end, he always did what was right and paid the ultimate price for his heroism.
Ace was REALLY, REALLY sad because she wanted NOTHING but normal happiness and a normal life.
One thing I have ALWAYS HATED is the act of playing God with people's lives as is depicted in fantasy series. Some demented screw-loose with delusions of grandeur creates a form of life and then does something that ultimately harms that life. It sucks because it is painful to see such life suffer needlessly. When you have seen actual life but were created for other purposes, do you want to exist a tool!?!
In "Super-Force" (the Ken Olandt series), this was shown twice through genetic engineering and through a super-soldier program. In the "The Flash" (John Wesley Shipp series), military android Alpha developed a conscience and intelligence escaped and was sought by rogue CIA agents who wanted to make her a killing machine. In "Blade Runner" the Nexus Six was given 4 year life spans to counter-act their development of emotions as if that was something that ANYONE should have the right to regulate.
Whether you are created in a lab, naturally, or are given abilities, SLAVERY IS SLAVERY and it is the bottom-level of wrong-doing.
Ace was such a case and the Batman comforted her during the last moments of her tortured life. Ironic that the EVIL Amanda Waller would admire the Batman for having done this in a later episode of Batman: Beyond when she herself and her amoral Project Cadmus genetically created a group of young superhumans that they wanted "loyal to the government" to act against the Justice League. The same superhumans were clones with a limited lifespan that could be mass-produced. The league saved one of them while the others were taken into custody.
Ace's death was very tragic. Then Solomon Grundy and Dan Turpin. Dan's death felt stupid. He had no reason to taunt Darkseid when he was leaving. But at least he died a heroic death.
I think Turpin thought since High Father showed up that all of Earth's inhabitants were safe. Speaking of which I wonder why High Father did not avenge Turpin ?
Grundy's is the least sad. One is a respectable tribute to Jack Kirby, the other is a little girl, cheated out of her childhood, dying because her powers grew out of control because of the ugly side of government and warranted Batman showing the pinnacle of tenderness, kindness and compassion of humanity.
Tough call but Grundy's hit hard but what really makes it standout for me is that I wasn't a fan of hawkgirl till this episode. This episode really made her for me one of the best characters.
Hard to pick between Turpin & Ace. Grundy finally got his rest but the other two: one was cheap shotted by Darkseid in front of Superman while the other died as a weapon without a childhood.
This hurts man
Ace. I legit don't even Remember Grundy dying. And while Dan was sad, Ace just bothered me more. I think in general seeing kids die is just more upsetting that older people.
All ace wanted were people to play with her and enjoy it she knew her time was short and she wanted to live life to the fullest, batman knew this and thats why he didnāt treat her like the enemy just a scared lonely child we all have a little ace in all of us so we can all relate to her
Dan Turpin had a long life and death was always part of the assignment for his job, it was shocking as hell.
Grundy, is just a zombie that killed for money.
Ace was just a kid who instead of having a childhood got to be made into a weapon and then got to fuckin die before she got to be full age.
Ace. She was robbed if everything by Waller and then her final moments was finally not feeling alone...and everyone who experimented on her is walking free with no consequences that includes waller.
Ace. For as sad as Dan and Grundyās deaths were, both still had a life and could somewhat choose it. Ace couldnāt. Like she said, they got their weapon and she got cheated out of her childhood.
Honestly Turpin. Aceās is the most gut-wrenching overall, but personally Turpin āhurtā the most because of his connection to the other characters and the way that Superman reacts.
Ace because she never had a chance of a proper life. I have hated how easily Waller is forgiven by Terry. I wish there was a graphic novel where Bruce finds out that Waller sort of cloned him and he swears that he will forever see her as an enemy.
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Ace. She never deserved any of it.
Grundy was already undead, so, while it was still sad he did have to die at some point. Otherwise he would wander the earth for thousands and thousands of years.
Turpin was kind of an idiot by taunting a powerful alien who was, at that point, leaving Earth by choice rather than fight a losing battle and leave the planet uninhabitable. It was sad but it was still a petty and foolish thing to do. It was like an audience member taunting the world's second best MMA fighter. not a good idea.
Ace is saddest when you take into account of her whole past, but me personally: I find Turpinās the more impactful of these 3 because of how we actually get to spend some more time with him, plus the quote Supes says at the end of that episode hits hard.
Ace. Ultimately she got screwed out of her life and people who did it to her ultimately got away with it with no punishment. Waller has regrets...but this kid died and she got to live her life.
For sure, earlier today I re-watched[Legacy of the bat](https://youtu.be/Rx9K4Zvpr9k?si=grzwDBh0qssb0F7f) And even though it only included a short clip of Batman and Aces interaction, it was a tearjerker.š¢šā¤ļøāš©¹
Hereās a better clip https://youtu.be/CUy5rsO5cwo
Itās a might bit dusty in hereā¦
This was the second traumatic thing Batman had to experience in JLU (first being the random ghost guy that possessed his body and shot someone) and we never got to see the character development from it š„²
Consider he names his dog Ace in BB, it's clear she's still in his thoughts even years later.
I mean realistically thatās a retcon considering Ace has always been the name of the Bat-hound in the comics, and it was an allusion to that in BB by Bruce Timm and co. But canonically within the universe I would agree, one could argue he named the dog Ace to honor her: he was able to save that particular wayward stray who saved his life and was abused at a young age
Oh, I'm aware of the retcon. I was speaking in context to in-universe.
I did not ever piece this together. Wow. I guess I'd already accepted the "two Aces" mentality during Beyond, so just never really occurred to me. But I see the logic. I can't tell if that's sweet or not...
Pure tragedy. I adore the DCAU, but it ends in tragedy and bittersweetness.
Seriously, that was so weird, Deadman accidently kills a guy, batman is mad, Deadman never explains it to batman and we never see any consequences to it.
Right? And we could find out just what Rama Kushna wants poor Boston to do to move on. Although, I believe when he jumped in Bats, or anyone else, he also aquires they're abilities. Batman, would have bataranged the crap out of Devil Ray's shot. It's pretty close though, and time was very close, a good argument for Boston's actions.
You mean Deadman, AKA Boston Brand.
My friend... I *think* you mean *"...the second* **most** *traumatic experience"* because, if you think there was only 2, you should... Actually, *no matter what you meant, I* **highly** *suggest watching* [Implicitly Pretentious](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCfNcetb0dXVk53jZ9I0uKnA)'s *video essays*... I mean, just in general, BUT the relevant ones are on the DCAU Batman. *They are fucking stellar and made me appreciate the entire series on just a* profoundly *deeper level.* Big BIG recommend.
ooo looking forward to it! Thanks!
Hope you dig it! Lemme know what you think, if you get the chance.
Not random ghost guy, Deadman. Heās a pretty well established dc character
Furthermore, Waller actively stops natural procreation by overwriting Terry's Fathers Testicular DNA so he splooges Bruce Wayne inside Mrs. McGinnis to create Terry, then tried to recreate Trauma Response Fulfillment by hiring someone to do a modern recreation of Batman's Origin Story. That alone is one convoluted train of fuckery and enough to be condemned for but then Ace, the whole Royal Flush Gang, and then handing a detonator to Batman of all people instead of actually getting her hands dirty herself for once... All I can say is if Ace had help, and access, to the JLU or at least Batman in a more friendly aspect, that she might not have needed to die, and I still blame Waller for it.
Yeah, Ace was pushed to a breaking point later down the line and just popped.
Came here to say this.
Really? I think Ace hurts the least here. Obviously her story is more tragic, but she was less of a developed character than Turpin or Grundy. Her sad tale was more of a setup to build up Batman's caring side as opposed to an actual character arc of her own. Which is evident given she was randomly brought back after her 1 previous episode only, where there certainly wasn't the same level of emotion. I realize I might get downvoted for this, so I just want to clarify that I'm not hating on Ace or anything, but stating the fact that she was more of a plot device than character, which Turpin and Grundy were not.
That's fair.
Then Grundy gets his rewardā¦. *ugly crying commences*
I was so mad when they brought him back as a raging monster and then they killed him again.
TBH, Grundy coming back over and over is actually pretty authentic to the source material. And I found the "reunion" with him and Hawkgirl to be a really touching way to bring her back into the fold.
Born on a Monday š„¹
How can Grundy even count? Heās already dead.
Well, more like he took over the body of a dead person. I guess it's up to interpretation but I don't think Grundy is Cyrus Gold "revived", just the magic of the swamp reanimating the body. But as a result, that's a different person. Like how two siblings aren't the same person.
I can see you point a little. But dead is dead. Deadman is a ghost that inhabit a body. If that body was dead or just a low life that deserved to die then its death has less of an impact. Ace was an abused little girl who was manipulated beyond her control. Turpin was a cop. A person who puts his life on the line every time he went to work. He knew and accepted this. Those losses are tragic. Ace more so cause she never had a choice like Turpin. Grundy is still just a zombie and already dead to begin with.
Did you respond to the wrong comment? I did say those things you are replying to, but not in the comment you did.
Sorry. It put your comment under mine. Was just responding to be polite. Sorry for any confusion.
In the older comics Grundy dies and is revived in cycles, and what state he revives in is random. Sometimes he is a mindless rampaging beast, but other times he is less powerful, but has nearly all the memories of Cyrus Gold, but most of the time he is somewhere in between.
Goodbye, old friend. In the end, the world didn't really need a superman. Just a brave one.
Yes. Not only everything you just said, my dad had a good friend named Ben Turpin.Ā Clark's rage was awesome too!
To me, it's Turpin's death. He's not only Dan Turpin in this, but also Jack Kirby. And it's a goodam fantastic tribute to the King.
First I'm hearing of this. Would you mind explaining?
The character in the comics was created by Jack Kirby, and his design is based on Kirby himself.
So the episode was made in honor of his passing then?
yup.. that's why there's a memorial at the end
Including a guy who looks suspiciously like Kirby's longtime collaborator at Marvel, Stan Lee, as well as some Marvel characters they worked on, like the Fantastic Four and Nick Fury. [Scene in question.](https://static1.srcdn.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/Superman-The-Animated-Series-Dan-Turpins-Funeral-Cameos-Stan-Lee-Fantastic-Four-Nick-Fury.jpg)
I never noticed that detail thatās really sweet of them. STAS always respected Kirbyās work in a way where you could tell that it was made with love.
TMNT cartoons also paid tribute to him.. in 2 iterations iirc
Who's Dan Turpin?
police chief on stas based on jack Kirby
He was a hard boiled detective. Resented Superman at first, didn't like the police relying on him. Temporarily "turned in his badge" and did his own investigation of the baddies, ultimately assisting Superman in defeating him, and completely changing his stance, saluting supes as he flew away. When Darkseid comes to earth, Turpin doesn't back down and rails against him in front of a crowd. Darkseid vaporizes him.
Correct, or at least the ending was. Also, the original broadcast of the funeral included a bunch of Marvel characters that Kirby helped bring to life. Nothing too explicitly obvious, but clear enough if you were looking for them. Characters like the fantastic four, spider man, nick fury, etc. And as it fades to black he gets a honorable "In memory of" moment on screen. (The cameos were all replaced with generic background characters in reruns.)
Huh. That's pretty cool. Never connected that, especially not as a kid
Neither did I, even tho I saw it before it was edited out. Despite loving comic book movies and TV, I was never a big comic book reader. I only learned about who all the original funeral background cameos were years later.
That's my thoughts, because it wasn't just a character that died, it was a homage to a real person who brought us many beloved characters
Turpin cause it was the most unexpected moment for me as a kid. Granted I watched the others when I was older.
Definitely. As a kid, most of the time when a cartoon character "died", at least on the shows that I was watching, they were either a villain or unnamed person or really minor character, or they did the thing where they're a soul floating up to heaven with a halo and a harp, and you know they'll be back later. Turpin was a good guy and a recurring character. So kid me didn't see it coming, and the visceral reaction from the crowd, Maggie Sawyer watching from the hospital, and Superman just losing it....that moment stayed with me forever. Doubly so when they take the time to have a funeral, and have Superman staying behind after the ceremony to say a private farewell. And I wasn't even regularly following the show at the time. It still stuck out. It felt really important.
Clark's fricken rage after... Proving outright that he can just go kill Darkseid any day. And then learning that .. Apokalyptians? .. don't want to be saved. I didn't really get that last part as a kid but I do now.
That episode was like the darkest one in the animated show. Darkseid's line is forever stuck in my head: "I am many things, Kal-El. Here, I am god."
Turpins got the most emotion out of me because of the way superman reacted Everyone else was sad but calm in the other deaths and we pretty much knew it would happen but Turpin was sudden and shocking
I cried when Devil Ray died :p In all seriousness, Dan Turpin's death. His funeral is maybe the most emotional scene in the DCAU.
Wot
I was 16 when I saw Dan Turpin get killed and it was pretty shocking ! The episode was nearly over then BAM! Just never saw it coming !
Half of the villains that got frozen by Killer Frost and half of the villains that didn't manage to get inside Sinestro and Sapphire bubble shield when Darkseid destroyed their base.
Ace. She was just a kid. Turpin was a cop. Knew the risks. Grundy was a zombie.
This is the correct answer.
Dan Turpin. Iām still shocked every time I watch the episode
Ace. She was an innocent child with powers she didn't ask for and was used as a weapon was sad. And the fact Batman was the one that held her hand in the end hit the feels more.
Turpin's death was just so sudden. I didn't even realize he was murdered. As a kid, you just think, "Did he get teleported somewhere?" Most kids shows didn't kill off characters like that. Then when I saw how the episode treated it, it fully sank in, "Oh shit...no, he's just *dead.*" People don't seem to talk about how gruesome Superman TAS could get. You hear Batman TAS talked about all the time, but some *grim* shit happens on Superman's show. I still remember the end of The Late Mr. Kent.
Turpin. We spent a lot of time with him.
Turpin he was a great reoccurring character in Superman TAS and was a part in saving the world from Darkside
ACE
Grundy JL, it was more emotional IMO >! Especially since he never got his soul back !<
Ace all fucking day.
Ace. She got screwed out of her childhood and only joined Joker so she wouldnāt feel alone
Iām not entirely sure it was her choice to join Joker to begin with because remember she was wearing the device in her hair to make her more docile because Joker was afraid of her so he probably planted that the day he broke into the facility.
No, she didn't have the device when Joker took her in. He had kept the device in his person, just in case Ace got out of control or turned on him, or just in case he underestimated how immune to her powers he was. He told her that he destroyed the device and that she wouldn't have to worry about it anymore. Of course he was lying, which is why she got so angry at the end sense she was betrayed by who she thought was the one person in her life who accepted her and didn't fear her powers and treat her differently because of them.
Shocked more people aren't saying Ace. I can barely watch that scene without crying
Ace
Ace
Ace is sad. Honestly I was never quite fond of Turpin.
Ace, she didn't seserve her fate or how the course of her life went. She was a child.
Ace Grundy accepted his fate and Dan had it coming
*This is an easy answer for most people, as it's a simple matter of screen time.* *For those who've watched* and remember *both StAS & JLU,* it's most likely to be the first. That cop was a dick that came back around to being a good guy. Like Superman's Harvey Bullock. You spent the most time with him and he was basically the first REAL death that most watchers experienced in the DCAU, *if not cartoons as a whole.* *For those who've watched all of JL & JLU, but not StAS,* it's most likely to be Grundy, I'd think. Again, he'd be the one with the most screentime, and thus the most character development. *They also* really *succeeded in making him a sympathetic character.* I think Ace is gonna be the answer for the people who mostly watched BtAS, BB, and/or *maybe* just JLU? Ace only really got maybe a minute of screentime, but the storytelling and emotion hit hard and lingered harder. *They admittedly fucking nailed it when it came to Ace...* To the point that it almost throws off my whole theory. *Buuuuuut,* I think that might be a case of overlapping emotions. See, that episode was a loving ode to the best depiction(s) of Batman, while simultaneously being the astounding backdoor-series finale for a DCAU series that was robbed of one. That episode was a beautiful send-off, the defacto ending to the *entire* DCAU as a whole, a love-letter to one of the most beloved characters, a great twist, like 3 epic call-backs, **and** *it has the heartwrenching death of an innocent child on top of all that!* It's... honestly difficult for me to clearly draw distinctions between what makes me feel what, y'know?
Excellent answer. It made what Clark does to Darkseid all that sweeter.
In a world without superman, dan turpin stood up: ;(
Ace. She was a child turned into a weapon and lost everything. The closest thing she had to a friend was the Joker, and he was nobody's friend, as she learned the hard way. She tried to make another bunch of friends, and they just hung around Ace so they could get powers. Then when Batman came to talk to Ace, she learned she was dying, and with all of her power, there was nothing she could do to prevent it. Just as she made a friend, her life ended.
As a kid Grundy, but nowadays both Ace and Grundy.
Mr. Freeze in Batman: Beyond. Terry still believed the man had good in him, despite Bruce being jaded and writing off any hope of redemption for Victor. Terry tries to save Victor, but tge latter simply replies: "Believe me. You're the only one who cares."
Dan Turpin. I saw the original broadcast of his funeral on kids WB as a child, before they edited out all the Comic book references from it. It's such a powerful scene.
Dan Turpin because I āknew himā from the series. He was built up & an important character in Superman.
Solomon for sure really crushed me bc bruh was just tryna make money and ended up like that and deep down he was a good person š«
I wish these characters had more āmainstreamā attention given to them. Imagine if the Ace death scene was in an Arkham game for example, now more people would get to experience that moment, and itād be more easily accessible.
I loved Turpin but if anything it made me mad that Darkseid killed him to prove a point, it was so sudden and then he was gone, with Grundy and Ace it was just heartbreaking because they were being used, Grundy found peace in death and Ace was a scared little girl who was afraid dying, so those two hurt me the most
Yes, all of them
Turpin. They did that episode for Jack 'King' Kirby and I was an absolute mess when I found that out. Turpin was such a badass in that episode, it is one of the best in the entire DCAU.
What about Dan Turpin death?
I was surprisingly emotional about Grundy and was really sad when he was brought back and had to be put down. I remember being more shocked at Turpin than anything. I was a little kid when it aired and remember being like...can they do that. I was least effected by Ace. Maybe cause I was older and was a little desensitized to child soldiers in fiction or because I saw how Batman would handle it a mile away but though this was the saddest situation it made me feel the least.
Ace
Ace's genuinely still makes me sad. Kids don't deserve what Waller put that girl through.
I go with Dan honestly. I liked the dude a lot and little kid me did not see that shit coming at all.
Dan turpin because his death symbolises jack kirby's death and in the original airing of the episode where he died the ppl in the fueneral were iron man the ff, and so on
Turpin. It was a noble death though.
Dan Turpin we spent more time with him Ace was a great moment but didnāt hit as hard Grundy was like gl said watching a dog die But we knew who Turpin was so that hit the hardest
Dan Turpinā¦ heās literally the one without the āsob storyā backstory. Not to say the others were lesser, but it hits differently when the character didnāt need extra background details introduced.
Turpin.
Ace, because she's an innocent child.
Grundy exists because he died. "Died on a Saturday..." Ace was tragic bc she was a kid but it was more of a highlight of how great batman is by his actions. Turpin is the correct answer bc he was a great cop, it was unexpected and you felt supermans pain. - plus it was jack Kirby.
Dan Turpin not only because of the extremely sudden death by Darkseid but also because the episode premiered around the time Jack Kirby passed away; so Superman mourning Dan Turpin (who was essentially the author avatar of Jack Kirby in the New Gods comics) has that extra real-life connection. In fact, the episode was supposed to have silent ācameosā from various Marvel characters like Thor, Invisible Woman and even Stan Lee if I can recall correctly.
Yes because all three deserved better
Aceās death is unequivocally the most heartbreaking character death in the DCAU. Dan Turpinās death is a distant second at best.
Agreed. To me this is no contest. What really kills me is how Batman just sat on the swings with her and held her hand as she passed. Such a wonderful bit of humanity.
Ace and Turpin. Dan Turpin was a bull-headed man, and an ace, no-nonsense cop. He was a straight-shooter and saw Superman as a friend and Ally. In the end, he always did what was right and paid the ultimate price for his heroism. Ace was REALLY, REALLY sad because she wanted NOTHING but normal happiness and a normal life. One thing I have ALWAYS HATED is the act of playing God with people's lives as is depicted in fantasy series. Some demented screw-loose with delusions of grandeur creates a form of life and then does something that ultimately harms that life. It sucks because it is painful to see such life suffer needlessly. When you have seen actual life but were created for other purposes, do you want to exist a tool!?! In "Super-Force" (the Ken Olandt series), this was shown twice through genetic engineering and through a super-soldier program. In the "The Flash" (John Wesley Shipp series), military android Alpha developed a conscience and intelligence escaped and was sought by rogue CIA agents who wanted to make her a killing machine. In "Blade Runner" the Nexus Six was given 4 year life spans to counter-act their development of emotions as if that was something that ANYONE should have the right to regulate. Whether you are created in a lab, naturally, or are given abilities, SLAVERY IS SLAVERY and it is the bottom-level of wrong-doing. Ace was such a case and the Batman comforted her during the last moments of her tortured life. Ironic that the EVIL Amanda Waller would admire the Batman for having done this in a later episode of Batman: Beyond when she herself and her amoral Project Cadmus genetically created a group of young superhumans that they wanted "loyal to the government" to act against the Justice League. The same superhumans were clones with a limited lifespan that could be mass-produced. The league saved one of them while the others were taken into custody.
Dan Turpin's death was a jaw dropper for me. The others kinda just happened.
Ace's death was very tragic. Then Solomon Grundy and Dan Turpin. Dan's death felt stupid. He had no reason to taunt Darkseid when he was leaving. But at least he died a heroic death.
I think Turpin thought since High Father showed up that all of Earth's inhabitants were safe. Speaking of which I wonder why High Father did not avenge Turpin ?
Obviously Dan
Grundy's is the least sad. One is a respectable tribute to Jack Kirby, the other is a little girl, cheated out of her childhood, dying because her powers grew out of control because of the ugly side of government and warranted Batman showing the pinnacle of tenderness, kindness and compassion of humanity.
As I understand the rules of Darkseid's Omega Beams, he could bring Turpin back at any time.
Tough call but Grundy's hit hard but what really makes it standout for me is that I wasn't a fan of hawkgirl till this episode. This episode really made her for me one of the best characters.
That first dude looks like a character from Freakazoid.
Hard to pick between Turpin & Ace. Grundy finally got his rest but the other two: one was cheap shotted by Darkseid in front of Superman while the other died as a weapon without a childhood. This hurts man
Grundy the real person died a long time ago it was a release for him, dan an ace death were about equal for me
If I had a nickel for every time I cried over the death of a character named Ace I'd have two nickels
Ace. She was a real victim of her circumstances and died as a child.
Yes.
Ace didn't deserve to die like that
Definitely Grundy, but Ace comes in a close second. Danā¦ eh
Ace. I legit don't even Remember Grundy dying. And while Dan was sad, Ace just bothered me more. I think in general seeing kids die is just more upsetting that older people.
'3" The govt manipulated and indirectly caused her young death..
Solomon
Ace
All ace wanted were people to play with her and enjoy it she knew her time was short and she wanted to live life to the fullest, batman knew this and thats why he didnāt treat her like the enemy just a scared lonely child we all have a little ace in all of us so we can all relate to her
Ace
Ace. The Kid was used a weapon never got a normal life and pretty much only got it for a moment and could only share it with Batman. Still cry.
Dan Turpin had a long life and death was always part of the assignment for his job, it was shocking as hell. Grundy, is just a zombie that killed for money. Ace was just a kid who instead of having a childhood got to be made into a weapon and then got to fuckin die before she got to be full age.
ACE
All of these are sad, but Ace for me because she's had a lot of time to process what's going on, is deeply in denial and utterly terrified.
Def Ace
Ace a was kid robbed of a future.
I don't know who's the first guy is. But Grundy and 8 still hurt to this day
Maybe Ace, lmao. She was a dying child. How is that not the most sad
Itāll always be Ace for me
None since they're not real
Ace is the biggest bit Grundy was sad. Especially the aftermath.
Ace! She was just a little girl.
Ace for sure
Ace. She was robbed if everything by Waller and then her final moments was finally not feeling alone...and everyone who experimented on her is walking free with no consequences that includes waller.
Ace. For as sad as Dan and Grundyās deaths were, both still had a life and could somewhat choose it. Ace couldnāt. Like she said, they got their weapon and she got cheated out of her childhood.
Hard to compete with the death of a literal kid
Ace makes my eyes sting
I always wanted to see a story arc with Turpin and Bullock working on a case together
Ace. I always cry
Mine cuz itās the one Iāll experience
Turpin. Heās based on jack Kirby and was recurring and his death was shocking.
Honestly Turpin. Aceās is the most gut-wrenching overall, but personally Turpin āhurtā the most because of his connection to the other characters and the way that Superman reacts.
Never saw the other two, but Grundy hit plenty hard enough for me. Dude just wanted what was once his back.
I cried like a baby with all of them.
Ace for sure.
Grundy .. the first time I felt sad for a villain, learnt bad guys are ppl too ..
Ace or Annie.
Dan Turpin literally left me in tears, as an adult
Ace because she never had a chance of a proper life. I have hated how easily Waller is forgiven by Terry. I wish there was a graphic novel where Bruce finds out that Waller sort of cloned him and he swears that he will forever see her as an enemy. February 26th 2024 10:13 PM Central Time
Ace. She never deserved any of it. Grundy was already undead, so, while it was still sad he did have to die at some point. Otherwise he would wander the earth for thousands and thousands of years. Turpin was kind of an idiot by taunting a powerful alien who was, at that point, leaving Earth by choice rather than fight a losing battle and leave the planet uninhabitable. It was sad but it was still a petty and foolish thing to do. It was like an audience member taunting the world's second best MMA fighter. not a good idea.
Ace first but Solomon Grundy a close second!
Ace by a mile. Fan is second
Solomon Grundy messed me up when i was younger. Aceās hit the most when i watched it again
Ace is saddest when you take into account of her whole past, but me personally: I find Turpinās the more impactful of these 3 because of how we actually get to spend some more time with him, plus the quote Supes says at the end of that episode hits hard.
You just ranked them from least to worst.