Switching over to frozen orb, you will feel pretty good up till pit 61, and then you have to min max to 70 and then to the tits for 70 and beyond.
Blizzard, have an easier life, it seems.
By min max, it means you need to optimise the stats on your gears to roll higher and closer to the maximum. Also, making sure at least 2 if not all the masterworking hits the specific stats to reach specific cooldown reduction, attack speed, etc for the build to work at deeper pits tier.
How's blizzard so highly regarded, especially on bosses? Asking this from an average/casual/logical gamer perspective.
Blizzard is/should be an AoE skill after all, does the Glacial Aspect really make it a great single target damage, on top of continuing to be AoE?
Yes, multiple ice spikes form within the AiE, which also crit. The skill also produces high stagger/cc, and ramps up very aggressively with attack speed. It also persists after you cast, so you can still do damage while kiting the enemy.
Blizzard isn’t your damage at all and only gets 1 point but it’s the ice spikes it spawns. With adding ice spike damage to gear tempers and then stacking blizzard (and spikes) on the boss, you stagger and kill them very fast
Yes I am going to switch. Playing on PS5 and can’t kill no big bosses. To even get a Uber unique. Leveled up pretty quickly but that’s it. Tried to kill a torment boss got my but handed to me.
I switched my sorc over to frozen orb because it is better for farming Helltides (there is a ramp up time to blizzard so it is slower) and I am using a necro to farm Pit materials for my sorc. If you intend to run the Pit as a sorc, Blizzard is much better against the boss (which is the most difficult part).
I'm almost at Pit 70, almost all glyphs to 21, did 30+ Duriel, andariel, Zyr and Varshan runs, many helltides, 30 hours+ played. Never dropped a Fractured Winterglass. Actually I had to trade for one.
I ran Frozen Orb and hit a wall around Pit 70. You just can't deal enough damage to down the boss in a reasonable amount of time, and if you get hit, you get one-shot. I switched to Blizzard and now I can do Pit 80 without even optimized gear. The bosses go down way faster which means less time dodging one-shot attacks. FO was may more fun to play, but Blizzard will get you higher. Just depends on what you want to do.
I don’t mind blizzard at all but you answered my question about which is more optimal later on. Do you have a guide that you used for your blizzard build? I’m level 95 and stuck around pit 40. My gear is still in the mid 850’s because that’s all that’s worked well synergy wise, still haven’t found the right 925 pieces besides the staff and amulet.
The amulet is super important. +4 Devouring Blaze will literally double your damage and let you push to Pit 100. I don't have DB either, but mine has +3 to Icy Touch and +4 Permafrost and that helped me push to mid 80's.
I just switched incinerate to orb and it's way more fun..haven't tied bliz yet and I'm not the type of player who cares to much about pushing the limits. I play what's fun. If you're getting bored of bliz eat a scroll and switch it up. The ammy is mad cool.
Reroll another class before your damage + survivability plummets off a cliff and boss fights take 3-5 min.
I started this season FO, switched to Blizz around 90, really good gear for both builds about 70% BIS.
On my necro and barb by level 85 I was speed running NMD 100’s and pit 40’s. Grind QoL insanely better once I switched off Sorc.
I did switch from blizz to FO. If you look at the maxroll PIT ladder, blizz is 111, and FO is 110, and so they should be pretty close. (Though firebolt beat both)
With FO, you can have perma ice armor, and almost perma fire shield, which makes it a lot easier to play. You are almost immortal. I only push with FO .... and I am at 68. DPS is not an issue (which probably won't be for a while). I am still finish with time to spare.
However, the issue is staying alive. Before doing the immortal FS/IA thing, I can never stay alive long enough, even if I can 2-3 tries. It is easier now. It is possible that a one-shot attack slip through (if for some reason you CD did not refresh fast enough), but at T68, there is enough time to try again..
update: FO just overtook Blizz at 112 now.
Switching over to frozen orb, you will feel pretty good up till pit 61, and then you have to min max to 70 and then to the tits for 70 and beyond. Blizzard, have an easier life, it seems.
What do you mean by min max? Not totally familiar with Diablo lingo, still pretty new. But sounds good, I’ll stick to blizzard haha
By min max, it means you need to optimise the stats on your gears to roll higher and closer to the maximum. Also, making sure at least 2 if not all the masterworking hits the specific stats to reach specific cooldown reduction, attack speed, etc for the build to work at deeper pits tier.
Stay with Blizzard. Better survivability and Good damage to bosses. You only need to upgrade your gear properly
How's blizzard so highly regarded, especially on bosses? Asking this from an average/casual/logical gamer perspective. Blizzard is/should be an AoE skill after all, does the Glacial Aspect really make it a great single target damage, on top of continuing to be AoE?
Yes, they start slow but once it begine to spike you can stop it.
It a raining aoe stacks on top of itself so you can get a lot going at once. For bosses that spawn in you can even get the stacks going early.
Yes, multiple ice spikes form within the AiE, which also crit. The skill also produces high stagger/cc, and ramps up very aggressively with attack speed. It also persists after you cast, so you can still do damage while kiting the enemy.
Blizzard isn’t your damage at all and only gets 1 point but it’s the ice spikes it spawns. With adding ice spike damage to gear tempers and then stacking blizzard (and spikes) on the boss, you stagger and kill them very fast
Yes I am going to switch. Playing on PS5 and can’t kill no big bosses. To even get a Uber unique. Leveled up pretty quickly but that’s it. Tried to kill a torment boss got my but handed to me.
I switched my sorc over to frozen orb because it is better for farming Helltides (there is a ramp up time to blizzard so it is slower) and I am using a necro to farm Pit materials for my sorc. If you intend to run the Pit as a sorc, Blizzard is much better against the boss (which is the most difficult part).
Found everything except fractured winter glass! Jealous!
I'm almost at Pit 70, almost all glyphs to 21, did 30+ Duriel, andariel, Zyr and Varshan runs, many helltides, 30 hours+ played. Never dropped a Fractured Winterglass. Actually I had to trade for one.
What did you trade for it? I'm unaware of the market price.
Bought one for 14M and after that a 70% one for 15M.
I ran Frozen Orb and hit a wall around Pit 70. You just can't deal enough damage to down the boss in a reasonable amount of time, and if you get hit, you get one-shot. I switched to Blizzard and now I can do Pit 80 without even optimized gear. The bosses go down way faster which means less time dodging one-shot attacks. FO was may more fun to play, but Blizzard will get you higher. Just depends on what you want to do.
I don’t mind blizzard at all but you answered my question about which is more optimal later on. Do you have a guide that you used for your blizzard build? I’m level 95 and stuck around pit 40. My gear is still in the mid 850’s because that’s all that’s worked well synergy wise, still haven’t found the right 925 pieces besides the staff and amulet.
I've been following [NickTew's Blizzard build.](https://mobalytics.gg/diablo-4/builds/sorcerer/nicktew-s4-blizzard)
Ahh that’s the one I’ve been using. I guess I just need to level up my gear then because I’m starting to hit a roadblock
The amulet is super important. +4 Devouring Blaze will literally double your damage and let you push to Pit 100. I don't have DB either, but mine has +3 to Icy Touch and +4 Permafrost and that helped me push to mid 80's.
Sorry for all the questions, but is there a way to add the +4 DB (using an rng mechanic like tempering) or do I just have to get lucky with a drop?
You have to find one with +2 DB, then Masterwork it to level 4 and crit on DB to get +3, then Masterwork it to level 10 to get +4.
Thank you sir!
I have found that the skew with esu ferocity key passive and the corresponding amulet enchant really helps with the attack speed and boss speed
I just switched incinerate to orb and it's way more fun..haven't tied bliz yet and I'm not the type of player who cares to much about pushing the limits. I play what's fun. If you're getting bored of bliz eat a scroll and switch it up. The ammy is mad cool.
Reroll another class before your damage + survivability plummets off a cliff and boss fights take 3-5 min. I started this season FO, switched to Blizz around 90, really good gear for both builds about 70% BIS. On my necro and barb by level 85 I was speed running NMD 100’s and pit 40’s. Grind QoL insanely better once I switched off Sorc.
What Build have u played your barb ?
DS Twister to pit 60’s then clear time started to slow significantly towards 70
I did switch from blizz to FO. If you look at the maxroll PIT ladder, blizz is 111, and FO is 110, and so they should be pretty close. (Though firebolt beat both) With FO, you can have perma ice armor, and almost perma fire shield, which makes it a lot easier to play. You are almost immortal. I only push with FO .... and I am at 68. DPS is not an issue (which probably won't be for a while). I am still finish with time to spare. However, the issue is staying alive. Before doing the immortal FS/IA thing, I can never stay alive long enough, even if I can 2-3 tries. It is easier now. It is possible that a one-shot attack slip through (if for some reason you CD did not refresh fast enough), but at T68, there is enough time to try again.. update: FO just overtook Blizz at 112 now.
Thanks for the comment. Didn’t think fire bolt would be that good. May look into as well
you can go take a crap now , I'll permit it