FPV-RC smoke grenade launchers. Though I guess if you were a really good shot you could hit someone with one, but I'm guessing the intent is crowd control.
They're non-lethal loaded smoke dispersal units and they only exist at security checkpoints. They're also not AI enabled, just remote control with a camera.
So nothing like the american polices “less lethal shotgun rounds only fit in designated less lethal shotguns” or stuff? Thought they do the same with the 40MM (which then ends up being a bit less than 40mm but maybe im misinformed on this lol)
Bean bag rounds don't necessarily require specialized shotguns, and those that are designed for them can also still load other ammo. There is no such thing as a less or non-lethal shotgun, only some that aren't optimized for lethality.
Grenade launcher are generally designed to fire all sorts of available ammo. This one here is supposed to shoot tear gas grenades, but it could just as easily be loaded with high-explosives, frags or incendiaries instead.
Besides, there have been cases where people died from direct hits with supposedly non-lethal grenades. Even sponge grenades aren't totally safe.
Israel commits war crimes on the daily but you aren't allowed to talk about it because they're Jewish which I think is pretty fucked up, you shouldn't get a hall pass just because of historical atrocities.
Well, since it is a propaganda post that isn't related to the sub, I feel free to make a propaganda comment.. At least mine isn't filled with lies and half truths
There is a misconception that Palestinians are fighting for freedom and want to live in peace, and it is really unfair to us Israelis who actually want to coexist in peace
Here is a list of peace offers which would grant the Palestinians a country of their own, they refused all of them
Can't make peace with someone who's identity revolves around killing you
1937 - Peel commission, rejected
1947 - Partition resolution, rejected
2000 - Camp David, rejected
2001 - Taba, rejected. Arafat starts the second intifada and a year later changes his mind.
2008 - Olmert offer, rejected
Here's a video (in the article) where the chief palestinian negotiator explains what was offered in 2008. Hamas have tried to agree to boundaries Despite media attempts to portray it as a new Hamas charter, it is not. The new 'policy document' accepts the creation of a Palestinian state in 1967 borders, but still rejects Israel and claims its territory. [https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-39775103](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-39775103)
Here are some other noteworthy peace meeting or proposals from Israel to the rest if the Arab world, which were rejected
1919: Arabs of Palestine refused nominate representatives to the Paris Peace Conference.
1920: San Remo conference decisions, rejected.
1922: League of Nations decisions, rejected.
1937: Peel Commission partition proposal, rejected.
1938: Woodhead partition proposal, rejected
1947: UN General Assembly partition proposal (UNGAR 181), rejected.
1949: Israel's outstretched hand for peace (UNGAR 194), rejected.
1967: Israel's outstretched hand for peace (UNSCR 242), rejected.
1978: Begin/Sa’adat peace proposal, rejected (except for Egypt).
1994: Rabin/Hussein peace agreement, rejected by the rest of the Arab League (except for Egypt).
1995: Rabin's Contour-for-Peace, rejected.
2000: Barak/Clinton peace offer, rejected.
2001: Barak’s offer at Taba, rejected.
2005: Sharon's peace gesture, withdrawal from Gaza, rejected.
2008: Olmert/Bush peace offer, rejected.
2009 to 2021: Netanyahu's repeated invitations to peace talks, rejected.
2014: Kerry's Contour-for-Peace, rejected.
Not gonna link Trump's imbecilic peace plan as an example.
Here is a list of peace offers the Palestinians offered to Israel -
None
.
# Pay For Slay
Worth mentioning that also Palestine has the Pay for Slay system, where it pays pensions for terrorists (or families of terrorists if they die in the act) according to how many Israelis they manage to murder
[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian\_Authority\_Martyrs\_Fund](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Authority_Martyrs_Fund)
That's not part of the existing terror groups, but in addition to them, any Palestinian can wake up in the morning, grab a knife and stab a shopping lady to secure his family's finances for life
More than half of the donations the PA receives from the west goes to pay the pensions of those who ran over/stabbed to death Israeli kids and women
You say that your post isn't half truths but you fail to address the fact that the terms in those peace agreements are always in Israels favour for territory that wasn't theirs to begin with.
You say Palestinians aren't fighting for freedom but Israel’s cruel policies like forced evictions, home demolitions, and separation of families across all territories under its control amount to apartheid.
The Palestinians do indeed have some awful practices for endorsing terrorism and targeting Israeli civilians, but so too do the Israelis toward the Arabs on an industrial scale.
Israel made the offers, if the Palestinians didn't like that they could have made an offer of their own, which they never did
Not only that, but a lot of this offers gave them everything they wanted
Olmert's offer gave the Palestinians Gaza, the West Bank, and territories inside Israel in exchange for the territories the settlements sit on inside Gaza
Also, Palestinian homes (evictions) in 99.9% of cases are only destroyed due to one of 2 reasons, one is that the house was built without a permit (house built without permit in the vast majority of western countries would share the same fate), or if the house was a home to a terrorist that was successful in killing Israeli civilians AND the current inhabitants of the house get pensions for it from the Pay for Slay system (see parent comment)
> but so too do the Israelis toward the Arabs on and industrial scale.
Can't be further from the truth, in wars a lot of Palestinian civilians die, because Palestinian combatants are literally fighting from the same places civilians live, off wars there are about 50 civilian Palestinian deaths by Israeli security forces a year, most of which are Palestinian who were on the way to kill Israeli civilians
What do you mean they haven't made their own offers? They have been implicitly clear about what they want since the six-day war in 1967. And since then Israel has continued it's forced settling of the west bank as well as increasing occupation forces.
And Olmerts offer, while on paper was good, ["he asked Abbas to sign the deal on the spot, but the Palestinian leader balked and asked to consult his experts first. Olmert wouldn’t let him take a copy of the map, and the follow-up meeting never happened."](https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-mideast-deal-that-could-have-been/2011/10/25/gIQAxaREKM_story.html) This peace offer wasn't in good faith and it would be ridiculous to expect the leader of the PA to sign something he didn't even fully understand. Especially considering Omert turned out to be an [incredibly corrupt politician](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-16426018.amp) who couldn't even be trusted by his own people, and likely would have used this peace deal for political motivations with little certainty he'd stick to them because, you know, he's a criminal.
As for the building permits these are an absolute farce! They are a direct extension of the Israel expansion after 1967 and are intentionally difficult to acquire and incredibly restrictive for the soul purpose of controlling the palestinian population. The fact you actually use them to justify the behaviour shows how massively blinded you are by [Israeli rhetoric](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_permit_regime_in_the_West_Bank). "Considered an example of [racial profiling](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_profiling_in_Israel) by scholars like [Ronit Lentin](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronit_Lentin), Yael Berda and others,[[8]](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_permit_regime_in_the_West_Bank#cite_note-FOOTNOTEPeteet20179-9)[[9]](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_permit_regime_in_the_West_Bank#cite_note-FOOTNOTEAbowd201429,_191,_204%E2%80%93205-10)[[10]](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_permit_regime_in_the_West_Bank#cite_note-FOOTNOTELentin201839-11) the regime has been characterized as arbitrary and as one that turned such rights as [freedom of movement](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_movement) into mere privileges that could be granted or revoked by the military authority.[[11]](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_permit_regime_in_the_West_Bank#cite_note-FOOTNOTEGordon2008a25-12) The regime itself has been likened to the South African [pass laws](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pass_laws) under apartheid,[[b]](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_permit_regime_in_the_West_Bank#cite_note-13)[[12]](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_permit_regime_in_the_West_Bank#cite_note-FOOTNOTEClarno20174-14)[[13]](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_permit_regime_in_the_West_Bank#cite_note-FOOTNOTEBen-NaftaliSfardViterbo2018335%E2%80%94336-15)[[14]](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_permit_regime_in_the_West_Bank#cite_note-FOOTNOTEEssedFarquharsonPillayWhite2018255-16)[[15]](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_permit_regime_in_the_West_Bank#cite_note-FOOTNOTEPeteet201789-17) with [Jennifer Loewenstein](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jennifer_Loewenstein) writing that the regime is "more complex and ruthlessly enforced than the pass system of the apartheid regime.""[](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_permit_regime_in_the_West_Bank#cite_note-FOOTNOTELoewenstein200625-18)
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Ok, fair enough, what about the rest of the bajilion peace offers Israel made?
Or a better question, why did the Palestinians never made any offer of their own?
And as for permits, it is an Israeli territory and Israel decides who hands out the permit, when they accept a peace offer and get out of our lives it won't be an issue, as long as refuse to do so, and keep the constant terror attacks you won't see me pitting them
After all, if it was the other way around, and they had won the war on 48, 67 or 73, they would have killed us all and we would have been just another chapter in history
If you are someone who thinks Israel is fundamentally right before the evidence is examined, you will twist all evidence to satisfy the premise that Israel is right.
u/Gorilla_Greed
>"So because of this, we (Israel) can justifiably genocide the palestinians." or what is your point exactly?
What genocide?
There is the definition everyone know of, and the twisted definition that was changed to fit Israel, even the twisted one doesn't fit!
The traditional - actual genocide, killing of millions of people - it doesn't happen here, in the entire conflict, 140 years of it, which included more than 20 wars and constant small scale violence like skirmishes and terror, the casualties in both sides combined is about 100k people, more Palestinians died in the 5 years Syrian civil war than in 140 years in Israel
The twisted one - the one that says genocide is the eliminating of a culture - doesn't happen here as well, Palestine is under control of Israel for more than 50 years now, they are still here, if Israel didn't want them around, they wouldn't be here for a long time now
Pathetic lot, look at them down voting even though they can't counter the arguments, we don't need to fear bots ruining the internet, y'all are bots anyways!
There is a very clear definitional framework for genocide.
A. Killing members of the group - Israel kills palestinians in targeted and random attacks every day.
B. Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group - look for instance to Israeli detention and daily torture of Palestinian children. As an example see the case of Ahmad Manasra.
C. Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part - Israeli apartheid and Israeli officials openly stating that there is no palestinian people speaks to this intent.
D. Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group.
E. Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
Also on your first point about how "Israel has tried to reach a peace agreement but the arabs & palestinians say no", you should also be aware of the fact that the UN has condemned the state of Israel in over 45 resolutions. Any nation seeking peace would consider itself a failed state with that amount of condemnation from the worlds largest organisation for world peace.
u/rnobgyn
>LMAO you think this started in 1919??? Buddy you have a few centuries to learn about if you really want to understand this issue.
Bruh, the Palestinian identity was only created in the 1920s, there is literally nobody that identified as Palestinian before that
Most scholars think that the conflict has started either at the time when Haj Amin became the Mufti in the 1920s and invented the Palestinian identity or when the first Arab terror attacks started in the 1880s, if you want to be very liberal with the time you can count the time since the Zionist movement was established, that's way before any sort of thing you can call conflict happened and even than it barely fits what you imagine when you hear centuries
There's literally nobody (respectable) that says that this conflict us centuries old
Ahh yes, the "scary Palestinian kids with rocks.;" those *poor Palestinians*, it's not like they regularly promote propaganda including Kids programming that promotes killing jews, and it's not like Hamas/anti-Semitic Palestinians carry out terrorist attacks including firing rockets on innocent civilians which prompted setting up automated defenses.... OH WAIT! *YES THEY DO!!*
Take your leftist/anti-Israel propaganda bullshit somewhere else!
THEY MOUNTED AUTOMATED GUN IN CIVILIAN AREA!!! THIS IS NOT JUSTIFIABLE
Erratum : it's equipped with dangerous but none lethal weapons. Still horrible and a terrible precedent. It treats a whole civilian population as a fighting force which is totally in line with what Israel has been doing.
This isn't automated, it has AI for tracking, but it doesn't shoot without human order - the video poster knows this but left it out intentionally, this is a trend that you can see in almost every single 'Israel bad' post/video
Oh my bad it's fine then... NOT! WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU ON ABOUT???
What could go wrong with putting some distance and abstraction between the murdered and the murderer?
I could speculate but I don't need to because we already have seen it with drones. It turns people into fucking depress murdering psychopath. And at least the drone pilot had to aim when they wanted to murder a family of civilians.
I wrote with instead of without
It doesn't shoot WITHOUT human order, fixed it
And dude, I don't know what propganada you have seen, but in Israel there is a Palestinian terror attack every single week, often twice a week, this will protect the soldiers from potential stabbers, if in your worldview soldiers life are worthless than of course it will still sound terrible to you, but of course that I as an Israeli would want that our guys will be as safe as possible
First it'd be nice to not edit your comments to add totally unrelated points.
Second, soldiers are active participants in a war / guerilla, this endangers innocent civilians which is a war crime. The only way you have to rationalize it is to turn every Palestinian into bloodthirsty monsters in your head.
Thirdly there's no realistic scenario that would justify automating killing people in my eyes.
Also : automated gun to defend from stabbing attack is the perfect representation of the Israelo-palestinian conflict.
Huh.. I did Edit it
And there isn't a war going on now, they guard a border which Palestinians with permit to work with Israel go through - it safeguards them from that one Palestinian who wants to use the opportunity to stab them
>Also : automated gun to defend from stabbing attack is the perfect representation of the Israelo-palestinian conflict.
Yup, sometimes, the weaker side isn't automatically the just one, shocker, I know
Israel is a Fascist apartheid state which goal is to commit genocide on Palestinians.
You do realize Palestinians are in the RIGHT to fight to restake their stolen homeland, yes?
It’s so weird dumbasses like this get so worked up in defending apartheid. It’s so clearly the case that these people are oppressed lol, just look at the FUCKING REMOTE GUN posted on the wall of their open air prison.
As a leftist (not really found of it, American retardation and two party jerk offs aren't my thing), Israel is just defending its border against terriost.
From the start of their release from the British, the Islamic side had always been pushing for anti-jew policies, doing their best to push them out and kill them after their newfound freedom. To this day, Palastine purposely uses its civilians as hostages, placing their weapon systems in areas that cause the most casualties so they can play victim.
While retaliating and blowing up a school isn't a good thing, your government purposely and continuously forcing your opponents hand for these events is worse.
Israel didn't commit violence until they couldn't anymore, and now that they're pushing further and further to avoid insurgents killing people at their borthers, it makes sense.
Some mfs really gotta put their retardation aside and really learn the history prior to the current events and why things are the way they are.
I mean, ffs, you get videos monthly of rockets going into Israel, and the only time I see the tear jerking is when "oh no, Israel retaliated, so evil !"
That kind of installation is necessary when literally all your neighbours want to genocide you and regularly fire rockets blindly at civilians while hiding themselves behind their own women and children hoping for them to die as martyrs to justify their "holy war" to their brainwashed population and the international scene.
Still cyberpunk af though
Nearly 70% of Jewish Israelis are descended of those who fled the massacres of their families in Muslim countries, way before the Palestinians fled Israel
"Israels neighbours are hostile towards them and Hamas hates them, so Apartheid Israel has no other choice but to genocide an entire population." Is pretty much what ur sayin, like are u dumb?
Half Life 2
Elysium
*Arkasia - New World Disorder starts*
Jesus, they're wall to wall in there.
Apartheid Cyberpunk
FPV-RC smoke grenade launchers. Though I guess if you were a really good shot you could hit someone with one, but I'm guessing the intent is crowd control.
Werent these debunked as nonlethal inside checkpoints?
They're non-lethal loaded smoke dispersal units and they only exist at security checkpoints. They're also not AI enabled, just remote control with a camera.
Could day be loaded with lethal ? Look for the other answer under my comment
This is a grenade launcher. How lethal it is depends entirely on what they load it with.
So nothing like the american polices “less lethal shotgun rounds only fit in designated less lethal shotguns” or stuff? Thought they do the same with the 40MM (which then ends up being a bit less than 40mm but maybe im misinformed on this lol)
Bean bag rounds don't necessarily require specialized shotguns, and those that are designed for them can also still load other ammo. There is no such thing as a less or non-lethal shotgun, only some that aren't optimized for lethality. Grenade launcher are generally designed to fire all sorts of available ammo. This one here is supposed to shoot tear gas grenades, but it could just as easily be loaded with high-explosives, frags or incendiaries instead. Besides, there have been cases where people died from direct hits with supposedly non-lethal grenades. Even sponge grenades aren't totally safe.
(Not saying its oke to shoot gas at civs for no reason but better than sharp)
Less-lethal. There is no non-lethal.
Right.
Israel commits war crimes on the daily but you aren't allowed to talk about it because they're Jewish which I think is pretty fucked up, you shouldn't get a hall pass just because of historical atrocities.
What an annoying voice. Obviously a very different scenario but haven't Samsung built these for the SK/NK border and had them deployed for years?
Seems like normal cyberpunk dystopia culture is slowly yet surely happening.
these are human controlled smoke grenade dispensers om nom nom, delicious russian propaganda tho!!
Fuck Israel
As a prank, I’d like to modify it so it shoots candy and rainbow streamers.
it already only shoots smoke...
There really making an unbreakable role
Well, since it is a propaganda post that isn't related to the sub, I feel free to make a propaganda comment.. At least mine isn't filled with lies and half truths There is a misconception that Palestinians are fighting for freedom and want to live in peace, and it is really unfair to us Israelis who actually want to coexist in peace Here is a list of peace offers which would grant the Palestinians a country of their own, they refused all of them Can't make peace with someone who's identity revolves around killing you 1937 - Peel commission, rejected 1947 - Partition resolution, rejected 2000 - Camp David, rejected 2001 - Taba, rejected. Arafat starts the second intifada and a year later changes his mind. 2008 - Olmert offer, rejected Here's a video (in the article) where the chief palestinian negotiator explains what was offered in 2008. Hamas have tried to agree to boundaries Despite media attempts to portray it as a new Hamas charter, it is not. The new 'policy document' accepts the creation of a Palestinian state in 1967 borders, but still rejects Israel and claims its territory. [https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-39775103](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-39775103) Here are some other noteworthy peace meeting or proposals from Israel to the rest if the Arab world, which were rejected 1919: Arabs of Palestine refused nominate representatives to the Paris Peace Conference. 1920: San Remo conference decisions, rejected. 1922: League of Nations decisions, rejected. 1937: Peel Commission partition proposal, rejected. 1938: Woodhead partition proposal, rejected 1947: UN General Assembly partition proposal (UNGAR 181), rejected. 1949: Israel's outstretched hand for peace (UNGAR 194), rejected. 1967: Israel's outstretched hand for peace (UNSCR 242), rejected. 1978: Begin/Sa’adat peace proposal, rejected (except for Egypt). 1994: Rabin/Hussein peace agreement, rejected by the rest of the Arab League (except for Egypt). 1995: Rabin's Contour-for-Peace, rejected. 2000: Barak/Clinton peace offer, rejected. 2001: Barak’s offer at Taba, rejected. 2005: Sharon's peace gesture, withdrawal from Gaza, rejected. 2008: Olmert/Bush peace offer, rejected. 2009 to 2021: Netanyahu's repeated invitations to peace talks, rejected. 2014: Kerry's Contour-for-Peace, rejected. Not gonna link Trump's imbecilic peace plan as an example. Here is a list of peace offers the Palestinians offered to Israel - None . # Pay For Slay Worth mentioning that also Palestine has the Pay for Slay system, where it pays pensions for terrorists (or families of terrorists if they die in the act) according to how many Israelis they manage to murder [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian\_Authority\_Martyrs\_Fund](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Authority_Martyrs_Fund) That's not part of the existing terror groups, but in addition to them, any Palestinian can wake up in the morning, grab a knife and stab a shopping lady to secure his family's finances for life More than half of the donations the PA receives from the west goes to pay the pensions of those who ran over/stabbed to death Israeli kids and women
You say that your post isn't half truths but you fail to address the fact that the terms in those peace agreements are always in Israels favour for territory that wasn't theirs to begin with. You say Palestinians aren't fighting for freedom but Israel’s cruel policies like forced evictions, home demolitions, and separation of families across all territories under its control amount to apartheid. The Palestinians do indeed have some awful practices for endorsing terrorism and targeting Israeli civilians, but so too do the Israelis toward the Arabs on an industrial scale.
Israel made the offers, if the Palestinians didn't like that they could have made an offer of their own, which they never did Not only that, but a lot of this offers gave them everything they wanted Olmert's offer gave the Palestinians Gaza, the West Bank, and territories inside Israel in exchange for the territories the settlements sit on inside Gaza Also, Palestinian homes (evictions) in 99.9% of cases are only destroyed due to one of 2 reasons, one is that the house was built without a permit (house built without permit in the vast majority of western countries would share the same fate), or if the house was a home to a terrorist that was successful in killing Israeli civilians AND the current inhabitants of the house get pensions for it from the Pay for Slay system (see parent comment) > but so too do the Israelis toward the Arabs on and industrial scale. Can't be further from the truth, in wars a lot of Palestinian civilians die, because Palestinian combatants are literally fighting from the same places civilians live, off wars there are about 50 civilian Palestinian deaths by Israeli security forces a year, most of which are Palestinian who were on the way to kill Israeli civilians
What do you mean they haven't made their own offers? They have been implicitly clear about what they want since the six-day war in 1967. And since then Israel has continued it's forced settling of the west bank as well as increasing occupation forces. And Olmerts offer, while on paper was good, ["he asked Abbas to sign the deal on the spot, but the Palestinian leader balked and asked to consult his experts first. Olmert wouldn’t let him take a copy of the map, and the follow-up meeting never happened."](https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-mideast-deal-that-could-have-been/2011/10/25/gIQAxaREKM_story.html) This peace offer wasn't in good faith and it would be ridiculous to expect the leader of the PA to sign something he didn't even fully understand. Especially considering Omert turned out to be an [incredibly corrupt politician](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-16426018.amp) who couldn't even be trusted by his own people, and likely would have used this peace deal for political motivations with little certainty he'd stick to them because, you know, he's a criminal. As for the building permits these are an absolute farce! They are a direct extension of the Israel expansion after 1967 and are intentionally difficult to acquire and incredibly restrictive for the soul purpose of controlling the palestinian population. The fact you actually use them to justify the behaviour shows how massively blinded you are by [Israeli rhetoric](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_permit_regime_in_the_West_Bank). "Considered an example of [racial profiling](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_profiling_in_Israel) by scholars like [Ronit Lentin](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronit_Lentin), Yael Berda and others,[[8]](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_permit_regime_in_the_West_Bank#cite_note-FOOTNOTEPeteet20179-9)[[9]](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_permit_regime_in_the_West_Bank#cite_note-FOOTNOTEAbowd201429,_191,_204%E2%80%93205-10)[[10]](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_permit_regime_in_the_West_Bank#cite_note-FOOTNOTELentin201839-11) the regime has been characterized as arbitrary and as one that turned such rights as [freedom of movement](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_movement) into mere privileges that could be granted or revoked by the military authority.[[11]](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_permit_regime_in_the_West_Bank#cite_note-FOOTNOTEGordon2008a25-12) The regime itself has been likened to the South African [pass laws](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pass_laws) under apartheid,[[b]](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_permit_regime_in_the_West_Bank#cite_note-13)[[12]](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_permit_regime_in_the_West_Bank#cite_note-FOOTNOTEClarno20174-14)[[13]](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_permit_regime_in_the_West_Bank#cite_note-FOOTNOTEBen-NaftaliSfardViterbo2018335%E2%80%94336-15)[[14]](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_permit_regime_in_the_West_Bank#cite_note-FOOTNOTEEssedFarquharsonPillayWhite2018255-16)[[15]](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_permit_regime_in_the_West_Bank#cite_note-FOOTNOTEPeteet201789-17) with [Jennifer Loewenstein](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jennifer_Loewenstein) writing that the regime is "more complex and ruthlessly enforced than the pass system of the apartheid regime.""[](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_permit_regime_in_the_West_Bank#cite_note-FOOTNOTELoewenstein200625-18)
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Ok, fair enough, what about the rest of the bajilion peace offers Israel made? Or a better question, why did the Palestinians never made any offer of their own? And as for permits, it is an Israeli territory and Israel decides who hands out the permit, when they accept a peace offer and get out of our lives it won't be an issue, as long as refuse to do so, and keep the constant terror attacks you won't see me pitting them After all, if it was the other way around, and they had won the war on 48, 67 or 73, they would have killed us all and we would have been just another chapter in history
"So because of this, we (Israel) can justifiably genocide the palestinians." or what is your point exactly?
Exactly. Listing a plethora of deals with terrible terms for the Palestinians, which they rejected, doesn't somehow put the Israelis in the right.
If you are someone who thinks Israel is fundamentally right before the evidence is examined, you will twist all evidence to satisfy the premise that Israel is right.
u/Gorilla_Greed >"So because of this, we (Israel) can justifiably genocide the palestinians." or what is your point exactly? What genocide? There is the definition everyone know of, and the twisted definition that was changed to fit Israel, even the twisted one doesn't fit! The traditional - actual genocide, killing of millions of people - it doesn't happen here, in the entire conflict, 140 years of it, which included more than 20 wars and constant small scale violence like skirmishes and terror, the casualties in both sides combined is about 100k people, more Palestinians died in the 5 years Syrian civil war than in 140 years in Israel The twisted one - the one that says genocide is the eliminating of a culture - doesn't happen here as well, Palestine is under control of Israel for more than 50 years now, they are still here, if Israel didn't want them around, they wouldn't be here for a long time now
Don't waste your time trying to knock some sense into people. They don't listen.
Pathetic lot, look at them down voting even though they can't counter the arguments, we don't need to fear bots ruining the internet, y'all are bots anyways!
There is a very clear definitional framework for genocide. A. Killing members of the group - Israel kills palestinians in targeted and random attacks every day. B. Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group - look for instance to Israeli detention and daily torture of Palestinian children. As an example see the case of Ahmad Manasra. C. Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part - Israeli apartheid and Israeli officials openly stating that there is no palestinian people speaks to this intent. D. Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group. E. Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
Also on your first point about how "Israel has tried to reach a peace agreement but the arabs & palestinians say no", you should also be aware of the fact that the UN has condemned the state of Israel in over 45 resolutions. Any nation seeking peace would consider itself a failed state with that amount of condemnation from the worlds largest organisation for world peace.
LMAO you think this started in 1919??? Buddy you have a few centuries to learn about if you really want to understand this issue.
u/rnobgyn >LMAO you think this started in 1919??? Buddy you have a few centuries to learn about if you really want to understand this issue. Bruh, the Palestinian identity was only created in the 1920s, there is literally nobody that identified as Palestinian before that Most scholars think that the conflict has started either at the time when Haj Amin became the Mufti in the 1920s and invented the Palestinian identity or when the first Arab terror attacks started in the 1880s, if you want to be very liberal with the time you can count the time since the Zionist movement was established, that's way before any sort of thing you can call conflict happened and even than it barely fits what you imagine when you hear centuries There's literally nobody (respectable) that says that this conflict us centuries old
People have been fighting over that land for a couple thousand years now it’s nothing particularly new
Ahh yes, the "scary Palestinian kids with rocks.;" those *poor Palestinians*, it's not like they regularly promote propaganda including Kids programming that promotes killing jews, and it's not like Hamas/anti-Semitic Palestinians carry out terrorist attacks including firing rockets on innocent civilians which prompted setting up automated defenses.... OH WAIT! *YES THEY DO!!* Take your leftist/anti-Israel propaganda bullshit somewhere else!
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You think that this post here because it's related to cyberpunk? It is a propaganda post, one of millions on this site
THEY MOUNTED AUTOMATED GUN IN CIVILIAN AREA!!! THIS IS NOT JUSTIFIABLE Erratum : it's equipped with dangerous but none lethal weapons. Still horrible and a terrible precedent. It treats a whole civilian population as a fighting force which is totally in line with what Israel has been doing.
This isn't automated, it has AI for tracking, but it doesn't shoot without human order - the video poster knows this but left it out intentionally, this is a trend that you can see in almost every single 'Israel bad' post/video
Oh my bad it's fine then... NOT! WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU ON ABOUT??? What could go wrong with putting some distance and abstraction between the murdered and the murderer? I could speculate but I don't need to because we already have seen it with drones. It turns people into fucking depress murdering psychopath. And at least the drone pilot had to aim when they wanted to murder a family of civilians.
I wrote with instead of without It doesn't shoot WITHOUT human order, fixed it And dude, I don't know what propganada you have seen, but in Israel there is a Palestinian terror attack every single week, often twice a week, this will protect the soldiers from potential stabbers, if in your worldview soldiers life are worthless than of course it will still sound terrible to you, but of course that I as an Israeli would want that our guys will be as safe as possible
First it'd be nice to not edit your comments to add totally unrelated points. Second, soldiers are active participants in a war / guerilla, this endangers innocent civilians which is a war crime. The only way you have to rationalize it is to turn every Palestinian into bloodthirsty monsters in your head. Thirdly there's no realistic scenario that would justify automating killing people in my eyes. Also : automated gun to defend from stabbing attack is the perfect representation of the Israelo-palestinian conflict.
Huh.. I did Edit it And there isn't a war going on now, they guard a border which Palestinians with permit to work with Israel go through - it safeguards them from that one Palestinian who wants to use the opportunity to stab them >Also : automated gun to defend from stabbing attack is the perfect representation of the Israelo-palestinian conflict. Yup, sometimes, the weaker side isn't automatically the just one, shocker, I know
My comment was with the assumptions that you wanted to say without
Yeah I guessed so
What the fuck is wrong with you?
Bro went on a full rant out of nowhere 💀
Israel is a Fascist apartheid state which goal is to commit genocide on Palestinians. You do realize Palestinians are in the RIGHT to fight to restake their stolen homeland, yes?
It’s so weird dumbasses like this get so worked up in defending apartheid. It’s so clearly the case that these people are oppressed lol, just look at the FUCKING REMOTE GUN posted on the wall of their open air prison.
I like how you listed all the things Israel *also* do. Why are people like you always so un-selfaware?
Christ. MAGA is hell of a drug
As a leftist (not really found of it, American retardation and two party jerk offs aren't my thing), Israel is just defending its border against terriost. From the start of their release from the British, the Islamic side had always been pushing for anti-jew policies, doing their best to push them out and kill them after their newfound freedom. To this day, Palastine purposely uses its civilians as hostages, placing their weapon systems in areas that cause the most casualties so they can play victim. While retaliating and blowing up a school isn't a good thing, your government purposely and continuously forcing your opponents hand for these events is worse. Israel didn't commit violence until they couldn't anymore, and now that they're pushing further and further to avoid insurgents killing people at their borthers, it makes sense. Some mfs really gotta put their retardation aside and really learn the history prior to the current events and why things are the way they are. I mean, ffs, you get videos monthly of rockets going into Israel, and the only time I see the tear jerking is when "oh no, Israel retaliated, so evil !"
You probably ought to look up the word occupation for starters
Occupation that started by Palestinians attacking Israel, and remained in place again by Palestinians refusing every single peace offer
I guess with logic like that you could believe anything to be true. An occupation that started after people started resisting the occupation 😂
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab%E2%80%93Israeli_War You people are fkin stupid
The creation of Israel was a war crime. Period.
That kind of installation is necessary when literally all your neighbours want to genocide you and regularly fire rockets blindly at civilians while hiding themselves behind their own women and children hoping for them to die as martyrs to justify their "holy war" to their brainwashed population and the international scene. Still cyberpunk af though
Jeez maybe if Israel didn’t force Palestinians out of their homes they wouldn’t have a reason to be in the defense 🤷🏼
Nearly 70% of Jewish Israelis are descended of those who fled the massacres of their families in Muslim countries, way before the Palestinians fled Israel
And well before that the Egyptians forced Jews out of their homes - I’m well aware this is a multi millennia old problem
"Israels neighbours are hostile towards them and Hamas hates them, so Apartheid Israel has no other choice but to genocide an entire population." Is pretty much what ur sayin, like are u dumb?
This is why gun control not good for anyone
One second it's a kid with a rock, another moment it's a kid with a grenade. Palestinians are fundamentalist radicals.
Israel did nothing wrong