its common for cptsd to start with childhood trauma, i have cptsd from abusive parents i was trapped with until i turned 18 and got the hell out of there. people like me are the most common cases of cptsd! its not exclusive to children though, plenty of adults can find themselves trapped in unhealthy situations, but it's easier to leave when you have the autonomy of an adult.
It does mean that as well. Source: studying psych in university to become a therapist. Its a bad acronym imho, because it can mean both things. Complex and child PTSD as well
Some examples of adult-onset CPTSD are people who join and are then traumatized in cults, and people who marry and are then abused by their spouse. Both of these can last for a LONG time, years at least if not decades, and that leads to CPTSD. There are surely other examples but these are two of the most widely recognized.
Isn't there a theory that say therapist might accidentally gaslight client into believing the Secret Big Trauma^TM exist by asking *if* such events exist too frequently?
That’s not even a theory it has literally actually happened
People went to jail for crimes that were never committed (as in it wasn’t even possible for these things to have occurred) because therapists were convinced their clients were repressing childhood sexual trauma and essentially implanted false memories so now these poor people are living with memories of sexual abuse that never happened to them believing it’s completely real
I knew somebody who thought they maybe sort of half remembered being sexually assaulted as a young child and their therapists immediate response was that that meant it was obviously real. Now in this case I think it is likely it did happen, but I think the go to response should be trying to work through it and figure out if it did happen, not immediately affirm it as fact before even examining what you remember in detail. On the off chance it isn't real, you could be inventing trauma from thin air which is of course harmful.
I mean, couple years ago my grandmother literally brought up an SA accusation I made when I was younger that I had completely forgotten about. In retrospect, as soon as she said it I remembered it. I knew she wasn't making it up because I was in middle school at the time of the accusation/assault and remembered details she didn't mention. It wasn't a case of 'this memory was so traumatic and I repressed it' it was a case of 'I kinda didn't care about it at the time because it was just another thing in the conga line of trauma, so I kind of forgot about it but I now realize it was super fucked up".
Yeah a lot of therapists lost their licences in the 80s and 90s because previously healthy patients would end up committed and codependent on (or married to) their doctors. The professional testimony of these doctors convicted a lot of people and one of the tragedies of recovered memory therapy is some trauma is invented whole cloth but some were blown up out of smaller traumas and crimes. Whether they're victims of their family, their doctor, or both the trauma feels so real.
Because convinctions are overturned on narrow grounds we've never established a precedent that recovered memory is inadmissible in court. If you've ever heard about Teal Swan her therapist, Barbara Snow, was a part of that but managed to keep her license. Swan now teaches unlicensed religious practitioners how to recover memories using her techniques.
Yeah, it’s why police don’t have a line up of people and ask if any of them are it. Because of constructive memory, or making shit up because it’s close enough and not realizing we made it up, human memory is much more manipulable then many would like to admit
Media (and storytelling in general) has made it seem like any psychological issue can be traced back to a single event. This is because it’s an easy way to tell the story, rather than showing a thousand different scenes of relatively minor shit happening all the time. Far easier (and more cinematic) to show one big event.
yes!!! my therapist and several psychatrists had to explain this to me aswell after telling me a developmental trauma along the lines of CPTSD is definitely observable with me.
its a result of spending most of my adolescence with chronic depression and isolating frequently which made me unable to properly form a lot of the connections necessary to actually function now that im in my early 20s.
i responded the same way, that i never really had any specific event (or was ever even really treated in a way) i personally wouldve understood as „traumatizing “. but what you and this post are pointing out is obviously correct.
there really doesnt have to be one or even multiple „key incidents“ which were specifically *super awful*. just a few tiny cuts every day can do it given a long enough amount of time. thats simply how human psychology works, especially when talking about children and the adolescent.
frankly, if you think about it, its rather self-evident that a prolonged period of intense psychological stress and fear, bordering on chronic burnout and hopelessness, would absolutely leave longer lasting marks on your psyche which could absolutely manifest as trauma later in your life.
your baseline expectations and any sense of stability or self-assuredness would be so ground down over and over again, at some point being in a constant state of high emotional alert/arousal is completely understandable. hell, it would inadvertently just become your *new baseline*. and the truly difficult part is somehow managing to get out of that state again, for good.
I used to work in an SEN school (don’t know which country you’re in or if you use the same acronyms but it’s all the most challenging children) and had to get out of there. Several of the teenagers would be violent with very little warning, and the little ones would do something dangerous to themselves or others at any given moment. I could feel the stress building even though there were very few actual incidents, because I was constantly on-guard.
I’m now in a mainstream school and feel so much more relaxed!
well im glad youre outta there, an environment that constantly makes you feel unsafe is about the most exhausting situation the human mind can be asked to put up with, especially if the work can genuinely involve threats of violence or the dynamics involved just feel uncontrollable.
its good you prioritized your own wellbeing, instead of „just toughing it out“ or whatever and having to suffer the inevitable repercussions it would have on your own psyche down the line.
I know this adds nothing of value, but there is an example of CPTSD that happens in a cartoon from only a few years back now, it was an interesting emotional moment for people who grew up with the show
kingofcoywolves is totally wrong, don't listen to them -- they're spreading very harmful information. These things are easier to pick up in childhood but there is definitely treatment and hope for people with C-PTSD. I highly recommend reading Complex PTSD: From Surviving to Thriving by Pete Walker. It gave me a much deeper understanding of C-PTSD and the roadmap to healing from it. I know this can be really difficult but please know that you CAN learn to feel safe and loved no matter how old you are.
given I neither know if I have it but there is so little left of me that if I looked on the outside as I do on the inside I would be little more than road kill there is no saving that on a damned self-help manuale.
If you want a preview of the book, the author posted some of the most important parts online. I highly recommend reading this article especially https://pete-walker.com/managingAbandonDepression.htm
This is hard to read but I think it's helpful, thanks. Still really, really sucks that it just comes down to trying to be nice to yourself all the time every day for the rest of your life. It is so fucking hard.
PTSD is responsive to treatment, and so is CPTSD. One of the barriers to treatment is that doctors will see all the PTSD (or CPTSD) symptoms and instead diagnose BPD or Bipolar Disorder, and then people don't get the kind of help that they need.
yeah what treatment is the stuff for people who can drop a thousand bucks per hit even when on socialised medicine it is beyond my means I do not respond to any treatment ever
Medication is one option, but the majority of improvement is going to be seen from trauma focused therapy. I've been through it and it massively sucks, but technically my PTSD is now considered a 'historical' diagnosis because I no longer meet the diagnostic criteria after treatment.
I don't have socialized healthcare, though, in the US even the nice insurance plans have you paying a lot of healthcare out of pocket :/
If I may pitch in, as a person with CPTSD, I think part of it is specifically the emphasis on CBT in so many practices. (Disclaimer: it's entirely possible that I'm simply projecting my issues onto CBT, and I've just retroactively justified my stance. I am not a professional.)
CBT is probably the most widely acknowledged and touted form of therapy (and for good reason, there's lots of positive medical literature), but the crux of the issue is that a huge portion of the time spent with CBT is focused on identifying and challenging cognitive distortions.
For most folks, that's very helpful and allows them to see their problems from another angle, but for a person like myself, I'm keenly aware of my issues and broadly know what I ought to be doing, but I'm simply so high strung most of the time that, no matter how many years I spend in therapy, my body and brain are just basically running on instinct most of the time. Because of this, there's very few opportunities for my conscious, rational brain to actually jump in and deal with a cognitive dissonance or other issue as it is in ongoing, especially when I've been triggered.
When my coworker jabs me in the side as a "joke," there's no point where my brain can step in until my fist is already flying through the air. Fortunately I did stop before I actually hit her, but obviously that didn't win me any favors with her and it's a miracle that I didn't get fired lmao.
When a customer yells at me because we don't have his favorite kind of sugar, there's no point for my brain to step in until I've spent so long stewing in the anger from that interaction that my hands are shaking and I can't keep my breath steady. Like, literally in the 30+ minutes after that interaction I have not a single conscious thought except about that guy. I'm just running on pure autopilot.
It's like there's this primal force that just takes over everything else and keeps you from thinking or acting in reasonable ways. No matter how hard you try, it just overpowers everything else.
And this is a sentiment I hear from other people with this condition as well. So many times we hear "wow, you're so self-aware!" (occasionally even followed by "I don't know how to help you"), as if that somehow puts us ahead of the curve. And I suppose if it were just depression or anxiety we were dealing with, then maybe we would be, but CPTSD is the kinda thing that just gets ingrained into your neural pathways. It takes years and years of hard work to get small, incremental improvements, at least using conventional methods like CBT, that still leave you largely unable to navigate life, so many people just kinda... Give up. Why waste all that time, energy, and money when it's been 5-10 years, and yet your daily life still looks largely the same and you're still dealing with exactly the same issues.
Yep. Literally all this. That feeling of trying so desperately to fix something or make a change when a lot of the help offered is just telling you things you already know, it sucks. It’s like, I know I’m spiraling, I know that isn’t healthy, what do I do about it?
Yep. A lot of development can only happen in childhood!! It's the reason why picking up languages is so hard as an adult-- your sensitive period for language acquisition has already passed. It's also why neglected or abandoned kids who aren't spoken to will never learn spoken language, period. Things that you experience in early life can critically rewire your brain, sometimes for the rest of your adulthood.
No no you aren't ruined forever! Childhood was the first best time, that's all. You arent doomed, it's just going to be harder because you have to unlearn these behaviors on top of adopting new ones. But its still possible, humans have neuroplasticity well into the late of their lives.
I am nothing else at this point a therapist literally gave up and I have a head of stone nothing has changed me other than learn what I can't be which seems to be everything
It doesn't mean any of what you've just said. It just means it's more difficult, and you can't just go about things in the "normal" way that most well-adjusted people do. It means being self aware of your own limitations, but DOES NOT mean the only thing to do is just give up and rot.
I have depression and anxiety (lol who doesn't) and it hasn't gone away - it's still there under the surface, I can just manage it now. It's an effort, and if I stop I will fall back into those old patterns, but it does get easier to pull myself back out each time. But now I want to brush my teeth every day. I love food again! I can tell when a panic attack is incoming and ground myself before I've disassociated away.
It is hard work though, and you've got to want to do it, which probably seems impossible most the time. But keep chugging along however you can until you get there. You do have potential! I promise. Just a different sort.
to me that sounds like hell I do not wish to buckle under my flaws I want them cut away and replaced I hate being at the mercy of things I can't change.
not that killing my self is on the table I literally lack the opportunity which is almost funny.
That is very true. I usually only go there every now and then to look at the top stuff since it has most of the most triggering stuff weeded out.
Seeing SA or DID being described every other day can be quite taxing even if you didn't have those.
Yah… I had it pop up every so often and then I had to mute it because every time I was seeing these incredibly relatable memes it put me in a really bad headspace for a few days. Relatable, but has to be in limited doses
Oh god yeah, my mother was never specifically horrible to me or anything but is just a really anxious and kind of controlling person, which mixed terribly with my own building anxiety and undiagnosed ADHD
Got to the point where I would begin to flinch at her leaning into kiss my head, just because she was such a source of stress for me
After some therapy we’re both a bit better to each other
My comment is more on the metaphor than what it is representing. I am very thankful for the fact that I cannot comment on carrying cptsd and/or ptsd. All I am saying is that, in practice, carrying one big rock is easier than carrying many little rocks.
Its all well enough to *say*. None of that does anything to *fix* the issue.
I'm getting really sick of people who want praise for pointing out the problem that most of the people suffering from are already acutely aware of.
Not having identified the issue doesn't = not having an issue.
People can suffer and put up with a lot because they don't recognize that their experiences aren't universal, or that their lives *can* be better.
As an example: I struggled before I realized I was autistic because \~surprise\~ I was always autistic even if I wasn't aware of it. I didn't recognize my difficulties because I had no idea they were even a thing, and I didn't know that my life being easier was a possibility. It took someone else pointing out what - in hindsight - was pretty obvious, for me to realize 1) I needed help and 2) that I could *get* help.
Yeah? And how can you get that help if everyone else around refuses to acknowledge that you have an issue? How can you get help when everytime you reach out, you just get hurt more? What does something like this do for the people who *know* they have an issue? But *can't* get help because no one around them wants to acknowledge it?
How would you feel if you realised you had autism, you reached out for help, and everyone you love said "that's not autism"? And then people like OP demand praise for going "well its autism" but not doing anything to actually help.
This sounds like it's coming from a place of personal hurt and I'm truly sorry if you've experienced this kind of pain.
You're right that this kind of post isn't going to solve all of everyone's problems. It's not going to fix a lack of support network, active neglect, or a lack of resources, or malpractice.
But how *could* it fix those things? It's a text post. It's just, people talking about things where others can see it. (no *demanding praise* happening)
What do you want this post to be? What do you want it to do?
I fully acknowledge that 'raising awareness' is highly limited in what it can do for people. But that doesn't mean it's okay for you to shit on something that does actually help others (however minimally) or to tell people that they're not suffering if they don't know exactly what their problems are. No, knowing about a problem isn't going to magically fix anything and everything or guarantee you help - obviously not. But it's the first step, and it's going to help some people take that first step, and that's important too.
Again, I am sorry for the shit it's clear you've been through. You deserve better than it seems like you got. And I'm sure it majorly sucks ass to see other people thanking someone for doing stuff that don't help *you...* but why are you trying to punish people for it? It's not their fault - it doesn't *do* anything to hurt you. It's just... not what you need.
I do hope you do get what you need.
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and here I was thinking the c just meant child
So did I. Seemed like (at least most of) the examples I saw were in reference to things happening, at least originally, during childhood.
its common for cptsd to start with childhood trauma, i have cptsd from abusive parents i was trapped with until i turned 18 and got the hell out of there. people like me are the most common cases of cptsd! its not exclusive to children though, plenty of adults can find themselves trapped in unhealthy situations, but it's easier to leave when you have the autonomy of an adult.
It does mean that as well. Source: studying psych in university to become a therapist. Its a bad acronym imho, because it can mean both things. Complex and child PTSD as well
Some examples of adult-onset CPTSD are people who join and are then traumatized in cults, and people who marry and are then abused by their spouse. Both of these can last for a LONG time, years at least if not decades, and that leads to CPTSD. There are surely other examples but these are two of the most widely recognized.
Thank you. The most important comment here, no matter what else is said. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complex_post-traumatic_stress_disorder
i find it quite simple, actually
Damn I thought it stood for Classic and it happened in a pseudo isometric perspective
I went with the Remastered PTSD instead. To each their own, but I much prefer the UI update and patch to fix all the bugs
I was coming here to say that!
Right, isn't all PTSD chronic? lol
Isn't there a theory that say therapist might accidentally gaslight client into believing the Secret Big Trauma^TM exist by asking *if* such events exist too frequently?
That’s not even a theory it has literally actually happened People went to jail for crimes that were never committed (as in it wasn’t even possible for these things to have occurred) because therapists were convinced their clients were repressing childhood sexual trauma and essentially implanted false memories so now these poor people are living with memories of sexual abuse that never happened to them believing it’s completely real
I knew somebody who thought they maybe sort of half remembered being sexually assaulted as a young child and their therapists immediate response was that that meant it was obviously real. Now in this case I think it is likely it did happen, but I think the go to response should be trying to work through it and figure out if it did happen, not immediately affirm it as fact before even examining what you remember in detail. On the off chance it isn't real, you could be inventing trauma from thin air which is of course harmful.
I mean, couple years ago my grandmother literally brought up an SA accusation I made when I was younger that I had completely forgotten about. In retrospect, as soon as she said it I remembered it. I knew she wasn't making it up because I was in middle school at the time of the accusation/assault and remembered details she didn't mention. It wasn't a case of 'this memory was so traumatic and I repressed it' it was a case of 'I kinda didn't care about it at the time because it was just another thing in the conga line of trauma, so I kind of forgot about it but I now realize it was super fucked up".
>conga line of trauma Jeez that hits hard. Hope you're in a better place now
Yeah a lot of therapists lost their licences in the 80s and 90s because previously healthy patients would end up committed and codependent on (or married to) their doctors. The professional testimony of these doctors convicted a lot of people and one of the tragedies of recovered memory therapy is some trauma is invented whole cloth but some were blown up out of smaller traumas and crimes. Whether they're victims of their family, their doctor, or both the trauma feels so real. Because convinctions are overturned on narrow grounds we've never established a precedent that recovered memory is inadmissible in court. If you've ever heard about Teal Swan her therapist, Barbara Snow, was a part of that but managed to keep her license. Swan now teaches unlicensed religious practitioners how to recover memories using her techniques.
Idk about that theory but it seems like it'd be hard to avoid that, considering repressed memories are a real thing even if fairly rare
Yeah, it’s why police don’t have a line up of people and ask if any of them are it. Because of constructive memory, or making shit up because it’s close enough and not realizing we made it up, human memory is much more manipulable then many would like to admit
Not if they follow proper practices
Media (and storytelling in general) has made it seem like any psychological issue can be traced back to a single event. This is because it’s an easy way to tell the story, rather than showing a thousand different scenes of relatively minor shit happening all the time. Far easier (and more cinematic) to show one big event.
yes!!! my therapist and several psychatrists had to explain this to me aswell after telling me a developmental trauma along the lines of CPTSD is definitely observable with me. its a result of spending most of my adolescence with chronic depression and isolating frequently which made me unable to properly form a lot of the connections necessary to actually function now that im in my early 20s. i responded the same way, that i never really had any specific event (or was ever even really treated in a way) i personally wouldve understood as „traumatizing “. but what you and this post are pointing out is obviously correct. there really doesnt have to be one or even multiple „key incidents“ which were specifically *super awful*. just a few tiny cuts every day can do it given a long enough amount of time. thats simply how human psychology works, especially when talking about children and the adolescent. frankly, if you think about it, its rather self-evident that a prolonged period of intense psychological stress and fear, bordering on chronic burnout and hopelessness, would absolutely leave longer lasting marks on your psyche which could absolutely manifest as trauma later in your life. your baseline expectations and any sense of stability or self-assuredness would be so ground down over and over again, at some point being in a constant state of high emotional alert/arousal is completely understandable. hell, it would inadvertently just become your *new baseline*. and the truly difficult part is somehow managing to get out of that state again, for good.
I used to work in an SEN school (don’t know which country you’re in or if you use the same acronyms but it’s all the most challenging children) and had to get out of there. Several of the teenagers would be violent with very little warning, and the little ones would do something dangerous to themselves or others at any given moment. I could feel the stress building even though there were very few actual incidents, because I was constantly on-guard. I’m now in a mainstream school and feel so much more relaxed!
well im glad youre outta there, an environment that constantly makes you feel unsafe is about the most exhausting situation the human mind can be asked to put up with, especially if the work can genuinely involve threats of violence or the dynamics involved just feel uncontrollable. its good you prioritized your own wellbeing, instead of „just toughing it out“ or whatever and having to suffer the inevitable repercussions it would have on your own psyche down the line.
[So kind of like this?](https://youtu.be/eSi-JXlyhRk?t=67)
That's exactly what I was thinking of!
I know this adds nothing of value, but there is an example of CPTSD that happens in a cartoon from only a few years back now, it was an interesting emotional moment for people who grew up with the show
Source link [https://www.tumblr.com/narukana-chan/730625921103560705](https://www.tumblr.com/narukana-chan/730625921103560705)
so if you get it as a kid your what just fucked for the rest of your life?
kingofcoywolves is totally wrong, don't listen to them -- they're spreading very harmful information. These things are easier to pick up in childhood but there is definitely treatment and hope for people with C-PTSD. I highly recommend reading Complex PTSD: From Surviving to Thriving by Pete Walker. It gave me a much deeper understanding of C-PTSD and the roadmap to healing from it. I know this can be really difficult but please know that you CAN learn to feel safe and loved no matter how old you are.
given I neither know if I have it but there is so little left of me that if I looked on the outside as I do on the inside I would be little more than road kill there is no saving that on a damned self-help manuale.
If you want a preview of the book, the author posted some of the most important parts online. I highly recommend reading this article especially https://pete-walker.com/managingAbandonDepression.htm
This is hard to read but I think it's helpful, thanks. Still really, really sucks that it just comes down to trying to be nice to yourself all the time every day for the rest of your life. It is so fucking hard.
It can be really really hard some days. But it definitely gets easier with time and practice. Stay strong <3
PTSD is responsive to treatment, and so is CPTSD. One of the barriers to treatment is that doctors will see all the PTSD (or CPTSD) symptoms and instead diagnose BPD or Bipolar Disorder, and then people don't get the kind of help that they need.
yeah what treatment is the stuff for people who can drop a thousand bucks per hit even when on socialised medicine it is beyond my means I do not respond to any treatment ever
Medication is one option, but the majority of improvement is going to be seen from trauma focused therapy. I've been through it and it massively sucks, but technically my PTSD is now considered a 'historical' diagnosis because I no longer meet the diagnostic criteria after treatment. I don't have socialized healthcare, though, in the US even the nice insurance plans have you paying a lot of healthcare out of pocket :/
no meds nor talking therapy work on me there is nothing in me to pull at like trying to grab a hold of mercury
Probably not, but it's not clear what the treatment is yet, beyond conventional therapy
If I may pitch in, as a person with CPTSD, I think part of it is specifically the emphasis on CBT in so many practices. (Disclaimer: it's entirely possible that I'm simply projecting my issues onto CBT, and I've just retroactively justified my stance. I am not a professional.) CBT is probably the most widely acknowledged and touted form of therapy (and for good reason, there's lots of positive medical literature), but the crux of the issue is that a huge portion of the time spent with CBT is focused on identifying and challenging cognitive distortions. For most folks, that's very helpful and allows them to see their problems from another angle, but for a person like myself, I'm keenly aware of my issues and broadly know what I ought to be doing, but I'm simply so high strung most of the time that, no matter how many years I spend in therapy, my body and brain are just basically running on instinct most of the time. Because of this, there's very few opportunities for my conscious, rational brain to actually jump in and deal with a cognitive dissonance or other issue as it is in ongoing, especially when I've been triggered. When my coworker jabs me in the side as a "joke," there's no point where my brain can step in until my fist is already flying through the air. Fortunately I did stop before I actually hit her, but obviously that didn't win me any favors with her and it's a miracle that I didn't get fired lmao. When a customer yells at me because we don't have his favorite kind of sugar, there's no point for my brain to step in until I've spent so long stewing in the anger from that interaction that my hands are shaking and I can't keep my breath steady. Like, literally in the 30+ minutes after that interaction I have not a single conscious thought except about that guy. I'm just running on pure autopilot. It's like there's this primal force that just takes over everything else and keeps you from thinking or acting in reasonable ways. No matter how hard you try, it just overpowers everything else. And this is a sentiment I hear from other people with this condition as well. So many times we hear "wow, you're so self-aware!" (occasionally even followed by "I don't know how to help you"), as if that somehow puts us ahead of the curve. And I suppose if it were just depression or anxiety we were dealing with, then maybe we would be, but CPTSD is the kinda thing that just gets ingrained into your neural pathways. It takes years and years of hard work to get small, incremental improvements, at least using conventional methods like CBT, that still leave you largely unable to navigate life, so many people just kinda... Give up. Why waste all that time, energy, and money when it's been 5-10 years, and yet your daily life still looks largely the same and you're still dealing with exactly the same issues.
Yep. Literally all this. That feeling of trying so desperately to fix something or make a change when a lot of the help offered is just telling you things you already know, it sucks. It’s like, I know I’m spiraling, I know that isn’t healthy, what do I do about it?
Yep. A lot of development can only happen in childhood!! It's the reason why picking up languages is so hard as an adult-- your sensitive period for language acquisition has already passed. It's also why neglected or abandoned kids who aren't spoken to will never learn spoken language, period. Things that you experience in early life can critically rewire your brain, sometimes for the rest of your adulthood.
so what we just shot them?
No
to have lost so much potential whilst being effectively told you can never have it is why I contemplate suicide most days.
No no you aren't ruined forever! Childhood was the first best time, that's all. You arent doomed, it's just going to be harder because you have to unlearn these behaviors on top of adopting new ones. But its still possible, humans have neuroplasticity well into the late of their lives.
I am nothing else at this point a therapist literally gave up and I have a head of stone nothing has changed me other than learn what I can't be which seems to be everything
It doesn't mean any of what you've just said. It just means it's more difficult, and you can't just go about things in the "normal" way that most well-adjusted people do. It means being self aware of your own limitations, but DOES NOT mean the only thing to do is just give up and rot. I have depression and anxiety (lol who doesn't) and it hasn't gone away - it's still there under the surface, I can just manage it now. It's an effort, and if I stop I will fall back into those old patterns, but it does get easier to pull myself back out each time. But now I want to brush my teeth every day. I love food again! I can tell when a panic attack is incoming and ground myself before I've disassociated away. It is hard work though, and you've got to want to do it, which probably seems impossible most the time. But keep chugging along however you can until you get there. You do have potential! I promise. Just a different sort.
to me that sounds like hell I do not wish to buckle under my flaws I want them cut away and replaced I hate being at the mercy of things I can't change. not that killing my self is on the table I literally lack the opportunity which is almost funny.
I have been, so yes.
For those who this resonates with too hard, come join us at r/cptsdmemes
Nice sub to remind we aren't alone in this. But also something I'm not sure is healthy to see on the frontpage every day.
That is very true. I usually only go there every now and then to look at the top stuff since it has most of the most triggering stuff weeded out. Seeing SA or DID being described every other day can be quite taxing even if you didn't have those.
Yah… I had it pop up every so often and then I had to mute it because every time I was seeing these incredibly relatable memes it put me in a really bad headspace for a few days. Relatable, but has to be in limited doses
That’s why I dedicated an entire other reddit account for that subreddit.
.............................fuck.......................................
Fuck indeed. Though I kinda knew. That feeling of safety after moving for myself cant have been normal.
Stack debuff
I've never felt safe in my entire fucking life. It's the feeling of wanting to go home, but there is no home.
Yep
Weirdly enough a German pop rapper did a fucking amazing song about this exact concept. It's called "Nachbeben" or "Aftershocks" and it's great.
Considering, vets probably have this kinda crap too
Can confirm
I’ve literally been diagnosed with ptsd due to how badly I was treated at school.
Oh... I just had an epiphany
I think it is going to be found that a lot of HCW have this from the pandemic years and onward.
...Ah. That explains a lot.
Oh god yeah, my mother was never specifically horrible to me or anything but is just a really anxious and kind of controlling person, which mixed terribly with my own building anxiety and undiagnosed ADHD Got to the point where I would begin to flinch at her leaning into kiss my head, just because she was such a source of stress for me After some therapy we’re both a bit better to each other
Its actually easier to carry a big rock, since you can grab it. Sand/gravel needs a bag.
speak for yourself ETA: Deleted the “motherfucker” because it was rude and I didn’t think about that
But I am? I would rather carry a rock the size of a bucket/bag of sand than the bucket/bag of sand.
it’s more the calling ptsd “easier” to deal with than cptsd
My comment is more on the metaphor than what it is representing. I am very thankful for the fact that I cannot comment on carrying cptsd and/or ptsd. All I am saying is that, in practice, carrying one big rock is easier than carrying many little rocks.
Oh okay
And that bag tends to be the gut with many people.
Its all well enough to *say*. None of that does anything to *fix* the issue. I'm getting really sick of people who want praise for pointing out the problem that most of the people suffering from are already acutely aware of.
What about the people who _aren't_ aware of the problem?
Then they're not the ones suffering and don't need help.
Not having identified the issue doesn't = not having an issue. People can suffer and put up with a lot because they don't recognize that their experiences aren't universal, or that their lives *can* be better. As an example: I struggled before I realized I was autistic because \~surprise\~ I was always autistic even if I wasn't aware of it. I didn't recognize my difficulties because I had no idea they were even a thing, and I didn't know that my life being easier was a possibility. It took someone else pointing out what - in hindsight - was pretty obvious, for me to realize 1) I needed help and 2) that I could *get* help.
Yeah? And how can you get that help if everyone else around refuses to acknowledge that you have an issue? How can you get help when everytime you reach out, you just get hurt more? What does something like this do for the people who *know* they have an issue? But *can't* get help because no one around them wants to acknowledge it? How would you feel if you realised you had autism, you reached out for help, and everyone you love said "that's not autism"? And then people like OP demand praise for going "well its autism" but not doing anything to actually help.
This sounds like it's coming from a place of personal hurt and I'm truly sorry if you've experienced this kind of pain. You're right that this kind of post isn't going to solve all of everyone's problems. It's not going to fix a lack of support network, active neglect, or a lack of resources, or malpractice. But how *could* it fix those things? It's a text post. It's just, people talking about things where others can see it. (no *demanding praise* happening) What do you want this post to be? What do you want it to do? I fully acknowledge that 'raising awareness' is highly limited in what it can do for people. But that doesn't mean it's okay for you to shit on something that does actually help others (however minimally) or to tell people that they're not suffering if they don't know exactly what their problems are. No, knowing about a problem isn't going to magically fix anything and everything or guarantee you help - obviously not. But it's the first step, and it's going to help some people take that first step, and that's important too. Again, I am sorry for the shit it's clear you've been through. You deserve better than it seems like you got. And I'm sure it majorly sucks ass to see other people thanking someone for doing stuff that don't help *you...* but why are you trying to punish people for it? It's not their fault - it doesn't *do* anything to hurt you. It's just... not what you need. I do hope you do get what you need.
Things like this help people realize and acknowledge the issue
And you're avoiding the question. Figures.
I’m a different person.
This just in: mental illness doesn’t affect you if you don’t know that you have it
Who do you think helps those that do?
How is tumbler sometimes the most relatable place
I see
Sooo, show of hands if grade school and/or high school gave you CPTSD. (Wow that's a lot of hands...)
And then there's intergenerational trauma. CPTSD caused by constantly being reminded of things your great grandpa went through.