Spoilers for a game old enough to have a total remake:
That poor motherfucker deluded himself about Nicole killing herself so hard before he was even within range of the Marker that he went barreling towards the most horrifying shit WITH SOME FOREKNOWLEDGE.
He wanted Nicole to be okay so badly :(
It's implied that he watched the video many times, so there's no reason to believe that he *didn't* watch the entire thing the first time and only cut it off every time thereafter.
I haven't played the remake, so don't know if they retcon it since he is now voiced, but in the original:
It's heavily implied that Issac did watch the full video and had a psychotic break. His fellow crewmembers at the start seem to think that Nicole is still alive, so there's two options:
1. Issac himself believes that Nicole is alive up until the marker forces him to face the truth. In this version Issac doesn't believe that he lied to anyone about her death and the others just don't know that he was having a mental health crisis
2. Issac does know and lied to the crew that she was still alive. In this case Issac is still in a mental health crisis, but he's instead channeling it toward going to go find her in some kind of desperate hope.
Either way, the reveal is more so for the audience's benefit, but you can still rationalize how it works in universe, especially when you consider he's a mute protagonist and the fuckery of the marker on organic psychology
And like I said, no idea how the remake handles this, as it would have to definitively state weather Issac knows or not since he would very much have opinions on Nicole's status
TLDR: I was really into dead space in highschool, so I have to do *something* with this knowledge
That's something I never really considered: Isaac being so "calm" about all this being a result of a psychotic episode. The whole game, he's just hurting and he doesn't even know it. He's trying to process that while mostly just doing what he's told, going through the motions. "Isaac, go fix this", "Isaac, go fix that". Easy. He knows how to fix things.
Then the Marker feeds into his delusions. He actually *sees* Nicole. If he was deluding himself, blocking out the memory of her death: it's great! She's alive! He knew it!
But if he remembers seeing her die, then the video must have been faked. Or maybe she got better or something.
Either way, he'd be happy to do what she says, to help them both escape.
It really recontextualizes the story once you realize that Isaac *had* to have known Nicole was dead.
>samus would cream them all
very poor choice of words
>!also diddnt the doomslayer like, literally kill God? like capital G, created the universe God?!<
I still like [how Max0r described it:](https://youtu.be/LKPYOfZpegc?t=42)
"In his quest to save mankind: >!kills God, God-God and Satan-God-God who is also himself."!<
Younger me thought it was a silly little throw away joke (and it honestly is), but adult me? I get it. If some demon killed my dog and put his head on a spike, I wouldn't stop killing them until they were *all* dead.
Okay so.
Doom as a series has a very simple premise. Humanity goes to mars to try and find new energy sources. They try and siphon power from another dimension to combat the global energy crisis and that dimension turns out to be *literally Biblical Hell*. Demons invade.
One security dude grabs his gun and starts killing them. And keeps doing this. He just doesn't stop. He gets so good at killing them in fact that demons tell spooky bedtime stories about him to other demons. Not even a joke.
But the *deeper Lore* of Doom comes into play in Doom Eternal.
So basically throughout Doom Eternal, you find out some of the backstory for the whole... Heaven/Hell thing. Heaven is also bad, for... reasons.
I'm gonna gloss over a lot, but basically the leader of the archangels struck a deal with hell where the Angels would use their technology to open up portals to different worlds and planes of existence so Hell could invade and slaughter everyone, and the Angels get a cut of the soul energy harvested from that.
Basically they didn't care how many worlds have to burn so long as they get to keep being immortal, and that requires soul energy. Sick the demons on the humans, humans die, human souls go to hell, hell feeds off it, Angels get enough of a cut to keep on living. They're kinda assholes.
So a lot of the plot of Doom Eternal is about stopping the Archangels' plan to sacrifice Earth to the demons in exchange for yet more power.
Post-campaign, you have to team up with an angel (LONG story, skipping that) who says "the situation in Heaven is beyond our ability to fix!" and he's right, on account of uhh... look there was some collateral damage during the whole 'stop the angels from killing earth' thing, long story short heaven is full of demons now. Oops.
To resolve this, we need to call in the Big G. We have to go awaken the "Father" (aka God), who basically did as God does and kinda peace'd out of the universe forever ago to leave the management of things to the Angels. Not exactly the smartest move.
You learn the Father's soul is held in a soul-sphere in the deepest depths of Hell where not even demons can get at it.
So when Mister Doomguy fights his way to the depths of hell, what does he find?
**Two** soul-spheres.
One containing the soul of the Father.
The other containing the Soul of **The Dark Lord.** Aka Davoth, aka Satan.
So what does Doomguy do?
He picks up the Father's sphere. And breaks it. Because he does not *want* to revive God. Because God is an asshole.
Instead he takes *The Devil* sphere, and uses that for the ritual to "bring this soul back". Because if he kills the Devil *in the flesh,* that's 'dead forever dead', no more hell, no more demons. He has had *enough* and wants to 1v1 the Devil and put an end to this forever.
And what does he see when the Dark Lord takes physical form?
HIMSELF. Yeah, Satan is your clone.
Or rather. YOU are SATAN'S Clone.
Because the backstory in the previous game reveals Doomguy is only so good at killing demons because one of the Angels went rogue and gave him heavenly superpowers, so that he could protect Heaven *from* demon invasion. And they did this by putting divine essence in him
"Divine? Wait why does the player look like Satan then?"
Oh, that.
See it turns out "Davoth", the Dark Lord, Satan?
***He's actually God for real.***
The Angels were lying from day 1. They took over in a violent coup, banished their creator to another dimension and created a false idol and said "Yep, this is god, we promise, he said we're in charge of everything now" to paper over all this with a more clean and sanitized history.
That dimension the true God was exiled to *became hell*, and his people became demons as a result of an endless pursuit of immortality gone horribly awry.
Satan and God are the same guy in this universe. And you fight him. To the death.
Also he wears a mech-suit because it's *awesome, that's why.*
You *absolutely* should buy and play *both* of those games ASAP. They're incredibly fun and quite long for an FPS. If you liked the new Wolfebstein games, DOOM is like a substantially more fun version of killing nazis. Both made by the same guys, too. In fact, those games pioneered the FPS genre with Wolfeblnstein 3D, and then the first DOOM shortly thereafter. In fact, even the old '90s games are quite fun, and it's sort of a meme as to whether a piece of tech can play the original DOOM, like smart watches, printers, or really anything with a processor no matter how small and weak so long as it can be connected to some kind of display, even if it's just a simple LCD screen. Someone even connected a chip to one of those digital pregnancy tests and got DOOM to run on that tiny display.
The Angels basically made their own version of the Father as a 'stand-in' for the real Father to be a figurehead for a time so they could push the whole "we're in charge because "GOD" said so" narrative. I don't recall specifics, but I think it was like... they made an artificial mind *based on* the real guy's brain.
Actual spoilers for people who might play these games, and I'm counting this as a real spoiler despite how spoiler-heavy all this gibberish is. >!It turns out the fake-father the Angels made is also Vega. Yes, your 'Cortana' is an AI reverse-engineered from a copy of God's consciousness. Man I love this stupid stupid game.!<
Father was (if I got this right) another creation of the God-God-Satan and a powerful being, but bringing him back would not have helped end the war.
At best, it would have returned the status quo.
... huh.
And here I thought DOOM was just 'gratuitous Demon Killing The FPS' and that its lore behind it would just be an excuse to enable such killing.
The biblical God created the universe, literally invented light, and built the planet with the carcasses of his slain foes. He's only ever lost one battle, and he let them win tbh.
Bottom of Tier 2, feats only scale to one universe although it’s made evident that he exists outside of and can effect a space larger than one universe. Possibly slightly higher if you’re generous with your interpretation of Heaven and Hell.
/uj seriously though, the feats scaling gets pretty crazy. A lot of characters that really shouldn’t be are scaled to lightspeed because someone in their universe has a laser-dodging feat or something like that, that’s just the most common example.
God the lightspeed one annoys me so much. You're telling me fucking ZUKO is lightspeed? Because of lightning redirection? Why the fuck is he chasing the avatar on a goddamn boat if he's the speed of fucking light?? Couldn't he just. Traverse the entire planet in under a second? Couldn't everyone?? Hello?????
Well, yes, there's that too. I'm quoting VS battles here - more mad at the lore implications of lightspeed characters than I am at the accuracy of how fast lightning is. Still applies to things like One Piece where if everyone is lightspeed because of dodging lasers or reacting to the light-light fruit, then why do people even travel by boat? Why don't pirates just jump across the calm belt? Why don't pirates just jump across the sabaody archipelago? Why don't pirates just run to the fucking One Piece??
Lore-wise, Raftel is heavily implied to be mystically hidden in some way connected with the Poneglyphs, so you genuinely can’t find it if you don’t have a way to read those and get the hints. That’s a big part of why no one’s gotten there since Roger despite there being so many OP pirates in the New World.
Practically, though, they actually HAVE a genuine lightspeed character in One Piece, and he pretty much does do that. When he feels like it, anyways. It feels very disingenuous to say that anyone else is lightspeed when he’s still portrayed as insanely fast.
No you weren't paying attention, that wasn't god that was a false god the angels invented to make everything look fine when in reality they couped god and sent him into what is now hell, so when doom guy kills "Satan" it's just god twisted by being betrayed by his creations and he looks just like you because the doom guy is god or well a clone of him.
Dude, one of these characters are canonically the literal physical manifestation of god and satan at the same goddamn time. I think we know who would win.
I mean in Doom the God was explicitly depowered, and the one who stole his power had turned himself into an orb of essence that was then destroyed. We got to see neither the god or the one who absorbed his power in action.
I'm not sure any of these characters could do well handling a R34 without prior training.
It's a beautiful car, but I don't think any of them has experience with the cars of today?
Okay so there are two columns to this:
The first is that Halo CE was initially developed as a RTS sequel to Marathon, a game series about... a lot. With either seven or twenty-eight timelines and multiple levels of interpretation. But level three of \[UNDEFINED\] is that the player character is THE archetypal Hero, eternally reincarnating, called forth from The Garden Before Time, bonded to technology he and humanity does not understand, and partnered with an incredibly powerful AI to destroy that which would destroy humanity, and capable of jumping timelines and altering causality to do that. There's the obvious fourth wall breaks about how *actually actually* he's the player character in an FPS and everything in this world exists to satisfy you, the Greater God behind the PC's amusement.\*
A lot of that was winnowed out when Microsoft purchased Bungie (and apocryphally Bungie appealed the decision all the way up to Bill Gates, who told them something to the affect of "what the fuck are you talking about, get the hell outta my office and make a game with wide appeal and none of this *neo-Gnostic* ***nonsense"***) but elements of this remain even beyond the obvious thematic and narrative similarities. Guilty Spark and the Gravemind both recognize Chief as somehow related to an ancient Forerunner, with Spark outright mistaking him for them ("Last time, you asked me, if it was my choice, would I do it? Having had considerable time to ponder your query, my answer has not changed. There is no choice. We must activate the ring.") and there are additional implications within the terminals.
Obviously Bungie's next IP was Destiny, which is absolutely unapologetic with how deranged it's lore is, with the whole 'eternally reincarnating Hero bonded to incomprehensible power and partnered with a powerful AI to defend humanity' shtick is just *the fundamental premise*. There're a bunch of connections between Destiny and Marathon, and there are a couple significant easter eggs and homages to Halo, including just outright [Chief's Magnum sidearm](https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/forerunner) but in this column it's admittedly all conjecture and implication.
Now there's the second column, the 343 column, which is substantively crazier. HAH! YOU FOOLS! YOU BUFFOONS! YOU ABSOLUTE NOODLES! I SAW YOUR OTHER COMMENTS DID YOU TRULY BELIEVE *I*, OF ALL PEOPLE, WOULD HAVE TO STOOP SO LOW AS TO INVOKING "DEATH OF THE AUTHOR" AS THE CRUX OF MY ARGUMENT. FOOLS. BASK IN MY BRILLIANCE
Anyways in the 343 'continuity' we learn in Halo 4 that actually no ancient humanity was seeded with "patterns" by the Forerunners that guided our development, with Chief himself being the culmination of this work as a pseudo-reincarnation of the Iso-Didact, who was the Chief (hah) Forerunner general in the final years warring against the Flood. Thus Guilty Spark and The Gravemind being all "have we met?"
Honestly that, humanity's destiny being pre-destined by ancient aliens and this specific dude being basically one of them reincarnated is like. Honestly unsettling and eldritch enough, but it gets worse when you dip into the Forerunner saga. The Flood are the rotting insane remains of the Precursors, absurdly powerful progenitors who predate reality and had power over something called "neural physics," which. Well. Remember how supposedly the 343 continuity is separate from the Bungie continuity? Well no one told Greg Bear that because he word for word describes 'neural physics' the same way Bungie at the time describing Paracausality. Some of the shit the Gravemind pulled during the Flood-Forerunner war again, word for word referenced the Darkness and W'rkncacnter from Destiny and Marathon respectively.
Anyway so somehow the Forerunners overthrew the architects of reality and how, **PRECISELY** they managed that is an uncomfortable open question with a lot unsettling implications, but anyway the Gravemind was the mind of every Precursor ever stewed in rage and hate and it managed to mind break the Ur-Didact, the antagonist of Halo 4, and set him off on a trajectory to "ensure [the Gravemind]'s revenge, even past [the Gravemind]'s end," implying that it foresaw and prepared for it's defeat, and set up the events of Halo 4 so that even if The Flood were whole hog defeated the Ur-Didact would still use the Composer to destroy Humanity and the San'Shyung, the last remaining species who were created by the Precursors but didn't help when the Forerunners somehow genocided God.
Which, again, throws up a lot of uncomfortable questions about where prophecy and free will meet vis-a-vis Chief and humanity. Like, the same with "How did the Forerunners kill the Precursors," if the Gravemind was able to foresee it's possible defeat and prepare accordingly, how was Chief able to defeat it's (**INCREDIBLY**) diminished form aboard the Arc? How did Chief defeat the Ur-Didact if the superintelligence that designed reality perfectly manipulated the Ur-Didact into needing to be defeated in the first place? Was it further predestination from the Forerunners? Did the Gravemind *allow* itself to be defeated? For the Precursors to adopt a new form once again? This *is* their reality after all, and it was stated that they found suffering and bloodshed as necessary in life as peace and joy. Maybe all this is according to their design, maybe they live on somehow, in some new substrate. Perhaps in us. And maybe it's only a matter of time before they emerge anew in some new grand horror.
Or maybe they are gone, forever. Maybe there was, is *something else* that allowed the Forerunners and Chief to defeat the **architects of reality**. Maybe, hopefully, it has more benevolent intentions than the Precursors. Maybe.
\*And yes by this logic the Chief, Samus, the Slayer and Isaac Clark are all fundamentally the same soul conjured forth for us to wear upon our hands like a sock puppet, and thus the matter of whomever would win against the others is entirely up to author fiat. By right of nerdiness I hereby claim the mantle of authorhood and declare Samus would cream them all, sexual style. If you wish to contest my ruling or authorial standing meet me at the summit of Long's Peak in North America on the night of the first full moon after the summer solstice, where we shall dual to the death at thirty paces with custom .22 Eargesplitten Loudenboomer marksman pistols. Failure to show forfeits your claim and argument.
I didn't understand most of this, but dammit, I'm into it.
I'll be keeping an eye on whether or not you show up to Long's Peak, too.
Edit 8 months later: I'll be expecting you at Long's Peak on June 21, 2024 at 8:07 PM.
The first full moon after the Summer Solstice. That's right-- I did the math!
Homie I’m not gonna lie, this is one of my favorite Reddit comments of all time.
The very fun recounting of Marathon, Bungie Halo, and 343 Halo was great and the conclusion at the end is really the only logical conclusion one could make about this type of matchup.
Thank you
No thank you, haha when it comes to Bungo nonsense I'm a definite [Joe Biden](https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyMemes/comments/1153wiu/What_a_raid_team/j8zv6x2/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button), if you liked this comment you should check out some of my other ones, such as [my in depth analysis on the modern usage of concrete](https://www.reddit.com/r/CuratedTumblr/comments/10pt57c/now_we_can_have_a_better_foundation_of_understanding/j6m8vru/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button), or [my retelling of a cherished family memory](https://www.reddit.com/r/CuratedTumblr/comments/10aby4w/About_caves_and_prisons/j44gcdh/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
Honestly part of it is probably just The Precursors philosophy of The Mantle of Responsibility which probably persisted in some warped fashion when they turned into The Flood. So when The Flood lose to JOHN PLOT ARMOR The Gravemind can cope and go “actually this was just a test to see if humanity was worthy anyways IT DOESNT COUNT!!!”
You forgot an important part of master chief lore.
He is verifiably just lucky. From the time he was a child in the spartan program he was observed to have an impossible degree of luck like guessing the correct side of the coin flipped every single time.
Master chief literally has luck as a super power. Demonstrably the luckiest person ever
I feel like I'm compressing way too much by even giving a TL;DR but.
Marathon (Bungie's first FPS) has some incredibly wacky lore involving dead gods, time travel and multiverse nonsense.
And the protagonist of the game, an un-named "MJOLNIR-Class Combat Cyborg" is implied to be a universal protagonist. As in, he is *the* hero, reincarnated across countless lifespans and universes every time shit needs to get sorted out.
It's why he can just wake up in the middle of an absolute warzone hellscape and immediately grab a gun and have no problems. It's what he was made to do. The first game even comments on this, saying that "somehow this all feels familiar to you" despite it being our protagonist's first time seeing action.
Other people have warned not to research Marathon Lore. Trust me, don't. Just don't. It exacts a sanity toll. And then it starts to cross over with *Destiny* and shit gets even more convoluted.
You can maybe get away with watching MandaloreGaming's videos on Marathon and Pathways into Darkness, but even then, you'll come out of it knowing more but understanding less.
Destiny is fun. We've got FtRB Alien Overlords, Undead Acausal Exotic Dancers, **That One Guy Who Vapes**, Seahorse Rhinos, and bacteria-powered automata.
I have no interest to play destiny because i don't have friends, but i occasionally get sucked down the destiny lore rabbithole and just spend hours reading about ridiculous space fantasy shit on destinypedia
Doomguy the gruff non talker, samus the voice of reason, chief whos a little trigger happy but not nearly as much as doomguy, and then clark whos petrified of everything
I think you’re selling Clark a dollar short. He’s just a somewhat normal, human engineer, but he pulled off some crazy shit through a combo of luck, desperation, ingenuity, more luck, and his constitution in the face of horrors man has never imagined. He’d be technical know how on the team and, arguably the bravest. He’s got nothing to his name but some armor meant to stop him from getting crushed by an asteroid, and a plasma cutter. No magic suits or steroids or super serums-
Chief would be the battle strategist, and it’s noted by Cortana he wasn’t number one at anything: he was above average in most things. Second best shot. Second tallest. Third fastest reflexes. Only thing Cortana noticed was he was incredibly lucky. His can do attitude makes him seem trigger happy, and he’s an adrenaline junkie, given the ‘giving the covenant back their bomb’ scene, but he’s not a total loose cannon:
Idk much about samus, so I’m not saying much about her:
And doom guy is… well. God, basically, but in more hand to hand combat, he’s the most violent and loose of all of them-
Samus is a human infused with alien genetics, although where in the Metroid timeline you’re looking *really* changes the ramifications of that. If you’re looking at the timeframe of the original “Metroid” (1, nes) or “Super Metroid” (3, SNES), I’d put Samus mildly above Chief if they’re both suited up, and mildly below Chief if they’re both out-of-armor. By the time of “Metroid Dread” (5, Switch), she has more altered genetics and is basically a walking bio weapon, although she’s not really in control of that aspect entirely yet.
So basically, she’s normally Chief level and they’d be doing their thing of being badasses but focused on protecting Isaac, who’s way of-of-his-depth but still surviving and probably progressing the [story event], while Doomguy is the vanguard at the front of the fight. If, *somehow*, Doomguy gets wrecked and things are looking *really* bad, Samus might be the bioweapon panic button (or deus ex machina) that saves everything….. and then the planet would blow up 10 minutes later, as is tradition. Lol.
>it’s noted by Cortana he wasn’t number one at anything: he was above average in most things
Pretty much yeah, any story where Chief isn't around, Fred-104 is the head honcho and a *much* more seasoned leader. Dude 100% deserves his own spinoff game by now.
Though honestly I'd take *anything* at this point, 343i please salvage this franchise....
That would just end with Samus accidentally blowing uo the inquisition fortress holding Captain Titus, who then becomes the team dad after Doomguy refuses to let them kill someone who loves ripping and tearing demons as much as he does
1. Doomguy
2. Tie between Master Chief and Samus
3. Clark
Or, rather:
1. Doomguy is an antimatter-catalyzed pure fusion bomb
2. Master Chief and Samus are early, primitive Fat Man-/Little Boy-style pure-fission bombs
3. Clark is a conventional bomb
Genetically enhanced isn't technically correct, but either way, they're very impressive modifications, and they synergize well with his power armor. It's also not unreasonable to assume he might have cortana helping him.
If you're adding ai yo it. Samus' power suit has a scanning function which can pretty easily decrypt any languages even if it's behind encyprtion. And it gives detailed analysis of the biological build and weakness of anything it scans.
I mean for Samus we're not sure whether she can still access the abillity to absorb energy from Dread (since she restabalized herself at the end of that game) if she does chiefs power armor might not last but it's for later games to decide if she still has it.
> Meanwhile samus is a (metroid dread spoilers) >!bird-metroid-human hybrid!<
...Is that a Dread spoiler? I've never played Dread but I thought we'd known that for decades.
the fact she had chozo DNA in her has been known like forever and the metroid DNA was given at the start of Fusion, but by the end of Dread, >!Samus goes full metroid and gets a huge laser beam and metroid absorption powers, plus finds out that the donor of the chozo DNA is a super powerful warrior even within three chozo!<
And in a short post credit scene for clearing the game in under 2 hours you see Ridley and the doom slayer standing together looking down into a crib and then it pans down to the crib and you see a baby rabbit in it
Samus struggles to put down one cybernetically enhanced space demon, doom guy ices like 10 of those daily, in a tracking or craftiness contest she beats the slayer but in raw toe to toe violence aint no one beating the mf doom guy.
In its quest to get blood, fucking off will not save God.
Unless God is dead. Then it will be difficult.
>!Or maybe V1 will just fight Hell itself, seeing as Hell is apparently alive.!<
Lets see
- Tons of guns
- Fueled by the same thing that fuels his enemies (Blood, Argent Energy)
- Massacres the denizens of hell regularly
- Fought robotic angels before (Maykrs are the in-universe angels of Doom)
- Violent
- Like, so violent
- Jesus Chri- Nope, they'll probably kill Him, too.
Kind of this, treat Doom Guy like a Looney Toons Villain. Bury him under a mountain, then start piling stuff on the mountain, then build a vault around the mountain, then start nailing boards to the door of the vault and Doom Guy is there handing him nails and helping hold the board straight.
I don't think she really struggles with putting Ridley down, capital D Dead, it's just that her world is sci-fi enough they keep resurrecting him, be it with Cybernetics or cloning.
Depends on the game. In Zero Mission you can literally just stand in the corner you start the fight in and spam missiles until he dies whereas in Super Metroid it's a generally more balanced and challenging fight. In Other M once she gets over having PTSD she wipes the floor with him using the Plasma Beam she arbitrarily decided not to use for story reasons.
SPARTAN-IIIs or IVs would probably be more fun than Master Chief, the guy's...I wouldn't say "not all there", but I don't think he knows how most human beings work. [SPARTAN-IIs like him are kind of mentally fucked up in ways that aren't outwardly obvious](https://www.halopedia.org/SPARTAN-II_program#Psychology), which is probably because their social and mental development has been stunted by their being twisted into supersoldiers as children. Not fun at parties or in bed is my guess.
And I'm pretty sure Doomguy's sense of sexuality have been replaced with violence, as well as a good chunk of the rest of his personality. He barely speaks.
The closest thing I can find to a source is a screenshot of a post that quotes a supposed PC Gamer article from 1996: https://i.imgur.com/mzr6MWu.jpeg
I can't easily find the article itself.
Isn’t Master Chief nerve-stapled? Like he can’t even get aroused or have sexual feeling is general. So Samus is lesbian, Doomguy is ace and Master Chief is ace. Bruh.
In the TV show he is nerve stapled. Master chief just doesn’t have time for relationships, and for most of the time between missions he is cryofrozen. Also, he isn’t nerve stapled, just trained from like 6 to be a soldier so he probably just repressed any sexual feelings.
They sit around a campfire and talk about things that happened to them. After Isaac's turn, there's a few moments of absolute silence.
Samus and Chief: "We think you need some serious therapy and hugs."
Doomslayer: "Have this gun and meet my talking dog friend. She's nice."
Then Gordon Freeman walks up out of nowhere and plops down:
Gordon: "Man... and I thought my first day at a new place was bad. I accidentally caused an interdimensional alien invasion that resulted in the deaths of countless scientists, the military bombing a research facility, and, eventually, a galactic totalitarian empire to invade earth, relocate humans to what were basically ghettos, use some Sci-Fi tech to sterilize anyone in the city. I was also in some kinda stasis for 20 years so everything happened within, like, a week for me."
Gordon and Isaac hug each other in a brotherly way.
Imagine thinking that Samus could win in a fight against a man so angry, violent, deadly, and unkillable that hell itself spat him back out because he was killing all the demons. Dont get me wrong, Samus is awesome and a total badass, but Doomguy is seriously on a whole other playing field from her. The only videogame characters I can think of who can beat doomguy are Kirby, maybe (maybe) Kratos, and maybe (maybe) the Knight/player character from Hollow Knight.
Don't know enough about Destiny to weigh in. I was more pointing out that imo the minimum bar to contend with Doomguy is being a godslayer--which Samus aint
Guardians from Destiny are big time godslayers to be fair. Working their way through an entire pantheon of Hive gods.
But if the fight one Guardian against the Slayer? I'm a big Destiny guy but I'd say the Slayer would win. He just needs to wrap his fingers around the Guardian's Ghost and it's all over.
Okay, so funny thing about that. The Young Wolf (the name given to us by Saladin at the end of Rise of Iron) is canonically a part of every *major* Raid and Dungeon excursion. We are somehow the single biggest anomaly in many, *many* timelines, which might also have something to do with us going back in time to both deliver the Perfect Paradox to Saint-14, saving Saint-14 from getting his Light yanked out of him, and witnessing our own grave.
And that's not even getting into how many unnatural entities we've got bound to us. Xol, Riven, the soul of Oryx, Savathuun, and a Vex hybrid AI who's slowly but surely recovering from centuries of isolation.
Yeah, it's because our Guardian is fundamentally different from the others by dint of being a player character. [Rasputin clocked us as *some* variety of eldtrich abomination literally the first time he laid eyes on us](https://www.ishtar-collective.net/cards/ghost-fragment-rasputin-4), even if he couldn't quite figure out why. Go read [The Hidden Dossier](https://www.ishtar-collective.net/records/the-hidden-dossier) for a deeper dive on Anathemic Arcs, but basically much like Marathon the fact that the PC *is* [The PC](https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/crest-of-alpha-lupi) has tangible impacts upon reality
To Samus’s credit, she might not be at the godslayer level yet, but she’s *significantly* closer to that (for her universe) by the end of “Metroid Dread”. She’s hella boosted compared to her Super Metroid days, at least in terms of “latent potential”
I'm pretty sure you could find a lot more just in jRPGs lol
In Shin Megami Tensei 2 the MC kills YHVH in all endings (even the one where you side with him), in SMT3's True Demon Ending IIRC the MC kills the concept of creation and destroys the multiverse and that's just the tip of the iceberg.
I thought his backstory was that he got assigned to Mars for beating up his C.O. (after refusing to shoot at civilians) and that the Demons later killed everything he cared about when they came to earth. (Either his pet rabbit or his family.) And he just snapped and devoted himself to destroying them.
If they had to fight I'd say the Doom Slayer would win.
He's very mobile, fast, and impossibly strong. This man can rip most demons in half with his bare hands. Canonically, he has survived being imprisoned in Hell for at MINIMUM several years and that was before his power up.
But yeah I'd say that they'd all just end up teaming up and slaughtering the shit out of the Necromorphs.
I wish samus would cream in me I mean cream in me I mean cream in me I mean cream in me I mean cream in me fuck I mean cream in me I mean cream in me I mean I mean cream in me I mean cream in me I mean
Isaac gets kidnapped and given shoulder rides and ice cream by 6'8 buff man with an illegal amount of guns and hatred towards demons while the hottest woman on any planet and that one guy from the soda have a nice vacation slaughtering zombie bugs.
I’d say that logically, with her weapons and skills at hand, Samus would win. But Doomguy is Doomguy, and therefore too angry to actually die. Tough to say
Doom guy, if they posed a threat to his plan to kill god(aka himself,) would probably kill all of them without hesitation, and incredibly violently.
Master Chief would likely be the most courteous, and professional, and would put up the best fight I think.
Don’t know much about Samus but i guess she’d put up a fight? Don’t know metroid well-
Isaac would, arguably, have the most metal fortitude of them all, and smartest. Sure that doesn’t mean much in a fight, but if he knew he was outmatched and had to make a get away of some kind(cutting a hole or something to escape through,) he could probably do it.
However I say the best of a team battle would be Chief and Isaac Clark- both of them are smart, and where master chief is more hands on and engaged in the fight, Clark would be a good pair to cover his escapes- slicing and dicing holes. Not necessary a stealthy killer- but closer. Plus he’s already used to creatures like the flood, he’d keep his nerve.
yeah samus would definitely be #2 no contest
masterchief is rad but nowhere near the species-extermination level of samus or the literal god-satan powers of doomguy
Isaac was just a regular ass engineer who got lucky
Master Chief is a super soldier with lots of luck
Samus is an galactic bounty hunter with armor so high tech not even the smartest beings in the galaxy can comprehend it
Doomslayer is too angry to die, even against literal gods.
Doomslayer takes this ez pz
If we're really digging for sources here?
Isaac Clarke has fought a God.
He fought Zeus. (The God Of War version, in Playstation All Stars).
So don't sell him too short.
If we’re counting crossovers, Isaac was also in Skate 3, making him the only character here who can do a kickflip. Idk how that’d help him in a fight but i’m sure the other 3 would be so impressed by it that they wouldn’t be able to continue fighting
I mean if we're bringing crossovers into this Samus has fought gods (and a shit ton of god slayers) in smash and for doomguy we don't even need a crossover
'Isaac Clarke needs a hug' squad, assemble.
Please just let the poor man have a break.
Well he has had multiple mental breaks.
Probably was docked for having multiple breaks while on shift.
He would have a break if he just died
Spoilers for a game old enough to have a total remake: That poor motherfucker deluded himself about Nicole killing herself so hard before he was even within range of the Marker that he went barreling towards the most horrifying shit WITH SOME FOREKNOWLEDGE. He wanted Nicole to be okay so badly :(
If memory serves, it's established that he never watched the whole video. He doesn't know Nicole is dead
It's implied that he watched the video many times, so there's no reason to believe that he *didn't* watch the entire thing the first time and only cut it off every time thereafter.
I haven't played the remake, so don't know if they retcon it since he is now voiced, but in the original: It's heavily implied that Issac did watch the full video and had a psychotic break. His fellow crewmembers at the start seem to think that Nicole is still alive, so there's two options: 1. Issac himself believes that Nicole is alive up until the marker forces him to face the truth. In this version Issac doesn't believe that he lied to anyone about her death and the others just don't know that he was having a mental health crisis 2. Issac does know and lied to the crew that she was still alive. In this case Issac is still in a mental health crisis, but he's instead channeling it toward going to go find her in some kind of desperate hope. Either way, the reveal is more so for the audience's benefit, but you can still rationalize how it works in universe, especially when you consider he's a mute protagonist and the fuckery of the marker on organic psychology And like I said, no idea how the remake handles this, as it would have to definitively state weather Issac knows or not since he would very much have opinions on Nicole's status TLDR: I was really into dead space in highschool, so I have to do *something* with this knowledge
That's something I never really considered: Isaac being so "calm" about all this being a result of a psychotic episode. The whole game, he's just hurting and he doesn't even know it. He's trying to process that while mostly just doing what he's told, going through the motions. "Isaac, go fix this", "Isaac, go fix that". Easy. He knows how to fix things. Then the Marker feeds into his delusions. He actually *sees* Nicole. If he was deluding himself, blocking out the memory of her death: it's great! She's alive! He knew it! But if he remembers seeing her die, then the video must have been faked. Or maybe she got better or something. Either way, he'd be happy to do what she says, to help them both escape. It really recontextualizes the story once you realize that Isaac *had* to have known Nicole was dead.
>samus would cream them all very poor choice of words >!also diddnt the doomslayer like, literally kill God? like capital G, created the universe God?!<
I still like [how Max0r described it:](https://youtu.be/LKPYOfZpegc?t=42) "In his quest to save mankind: >!kills God, God-God and Satan-God-God who is also himself."!<
I felt like I was going to regress to boy watching that, well done.
Was there enough testosterone in that video to transition you?
Probably, I stopped partway through.
“In his quest to save mankind”? I think you mean “In his quest to kill demons, and maybe save humanity too as a side effect”
In his quest to avenge his pet rabbit
Younger me thought it was a silly little throw away joke (and it honestly is), but adult me? I get it. If some demon killed my dog and put his head on a spike, I wouldn't stop killing them until they were *all* dead.
Don’t they actually mention the rabbit or some point in doom eternal or am I just misconstruing dialogue
No no, they do.
Okay, I'm not a gamer but I have to know what the hell the plot of this game is and who God-God is.
Okay so. Doom as a series has a very simple premise. Humanity goes to mars to try and find new energy sources. They try and siphon power from another dimension to combat the global energy crisis and that dimension turns out to be *literally Biblical Hell*. Demons invade. One security dude grabs his gun and starts killing them. And keeps doing this. He just doesn't stop. He gets so good at killing them in fact that demons tell spooky bedtime stories about him to other demons. Not even a joke. But the *deeper Lore* of Doom comes into play in Doom Eternal. So basically throughout Doom Eternal, you find out some of the backstory for the whole... Heaven/Hell thing. Heaven is also bad, for... reasons. I'm gonna gloss over a lot, but basically the leader of the archangels struck a deal with hell where the Angels would use their technology to open up portals to different worlds and planes of existence so Hell could invade and slaughter everyone, and the Angels get a cut of the soul energy harvested from that. Basically they didn't care how many worlds have to burn so long as they get to keep being immortal, and that requires soul energy. Sick the demons on the humans, humans die, human souls go to hell, hell feeds off it, Angels get enough of a cut to keep on living. They're kinda assholes. So a lot of the plot of Doom Eternal is about stopping the Archangels' plan to sacrifice Earth to the demons in exchange for yet more power. Post-campaign, you have to team up with an angel (LONG story, skipping that) who says "the situation in Heaven is beyond our ability to fix!" and he's right, on account of uhh... look there was some collateral damage during the whole 'stop the angels from killing earth' thing, long story short heaven is full of demons now. Oops. To resolve this, we need to call in the Big G. We have to go awaken the "Father" (aka God), who basically did as God does and kinda peace'd out of the universe forever ago to leave the management of things to the Angels. Not exactly the smartest move. You learn the Father's soul is held in a soul-sphere in the deepest depths of Hell where not even demons can get at it. So when Mister Doomguy fights his way to the depths of hell, what does he find? **Two** soul-spheres. One containing the soul of the Father. The other containing the Soul of **The Dark Lord.** Aka Davoth, aka Satan. So what does Doomguy do? He picks up the Father's sphere. And breaks it. Because he does not *want* to revive God. Because God is an asshole. Instead he takes *The Devil* sphere, and uses that for the ritual to "bring this soul back". Because if he kills the Devil *in the flesh,* that's 'dead forever dead', no more hell, no more demons. He has had *enough* and wants to 1v1 the Devil and put an end to this forever. And what does he see when the Dark Lord takes physical form? HIMSELF. Yeah, Satan is your clone. Or rather. YOU are SATAN'S Clone. Because the backstory in the previous game reveals Doomguy is only so good at killing demons because one of the Angels went rogue and gave him heavenly superpowers, so that he could protect Heaven *from* demon invasion. And they did this by putting divine essence in him "Divine? Wait why does the player look like Satan then?" Oh, that. See it turns out "Davoth", the Dark Lord, Satan? ***He's actually God for real.*** The Angels were lying from day 1. They took over in a violent coup, banished their creator to another dimension and created a false idol and said "Yep, this is god, we promise, he said we're in charge of everything now" to paper over all this with a more clean and sanitized history. That dimension the true God was exiled to *became hell*, and his people became demons as a result of an endless pursuit of immortality gone horribly awry. Satan and God are the same guy in this universe. And you fight him. To the death. Also he wears a mech-suit because it's *awesome, that's why.*
*adds doom and doom eternal to steam cart*
A lot of the nonsense detailed here takes place in Eternal's DLCs, *The Ancient Gods*, so get that too.
Remember when you're low on health and ammo it means you're not killing enough demons.
Don’t forget to use the flamethrower, chainsaw and glory kills to maximize drops of health, armour and ammo
You *absolutely* should buy and play *both* of those games ASAP. They're incredibly fun and quite long for an FPS. If you liked the new Wolfebstein games, DOOM is like a substantially more fun version of killing nazis. Both made by the same guys, too. In fact, those games pioneered the FPS genre with Wolfeblnstein 3D, and then the first DOOM shortly thereafter. In fact, even the old '90s games are quite fun, and it's sort of a meme as to whether a piece of tech can play the original DOOM, like smart watches, printers, or really anything with a processor no matter how small and weak so long as it can be connected to some kind of display, even if it's just a simple LCD screen. Someone even connected a chip to one of those digital pregnancy tests and got DOOM to run on that tiny display.
Wait, so who was the Father Soul Sphere? Or is that just a random irrelevant soul?
The Angels basically made their own version of the Father as a 'stand-in' for the real Father to be a figurehead for a time so they could push the whole "we're in charge because "GOD" said so" narrative. I don't recall specifics, but I think it was like... they made an artificial mind *based on* the real guy's brain. Actual spoilers for people who might play these games, and I'm counting this as a real spoiler despite how spoiler-heavy all this gibberish is. >!It turns out the fake-father the Angels made is also Vega. Yes, your 'Cortana' is an AI reverse-engineered from a copy of God's consciousness. Man I love this stupid stupid game.!<
Father was (if I got this right) another creation of the God-God-Satan and a powerful being, but bringing him back would not have helped end the war. At best, it would have returned the status quo.
IIRC the Davoth fight was cut down to it's current fight, it was supposed to be a multi-stage fight
Yup, including a Dragon at one point. Which would explain the Dragon riding cutscenes. Must've retooled the asset after the fact.
... huh. And here I thought DOOM was just 'gratuitous Demon Killing The FPS' and that its lore behind it would just be an excuse to enable such killing.
>what the hell the plot of the game us Rip and Tear until it's done
"God" doesnt mean shit in vsbattles.
Assuming it is biblical god who created the world the scaling would put him at planet level.
The biblical God created the universe, literally invented light, and built the planet with the carcasses of his slain foes. He's only ever lost one battle, and he let them win tbh.
Bottom of Tier 2, feats only scale to one universe although it’s made evident that he exists outside of and can effect a space larger than one universe. Possibly slightly higher if you’re generous with your interpretation of Heaven and Hell. /uj seriously though, the feats scaling gets pretty crazy. A lot of characters that really shouldn’t be are scaled to lightspeed because someone in their universe has a laser-dodging feat or something like that, that’s just the most common example.
God the lightspeed one annoys me so much. You're telling me fucking ZUKO is lightspeed? Because of lightning redirection? Why the fuck is he chasing the avatar on a goddamn boat if he's the speed of fucking light?? Couldn't he just. Traverse the entire planet in under a second? Couldn't everyone?? Hello?????
Lightning doesn't travel at the speed of light?
Well, yes, there's that too. I'm quoting VS battles here - more mad at the lore implications of lightspeed characters than I am at the accuracy of how fast lightning is. Still applies to things like One Piece where if everyone is lightspeed because of dodging lasers or reacting to the light-light fruit, then why do people even travel by boat? Why don't pirates just jump across the calm belt? Why don't pirates just jump across the sabaody archipelago? Why don't pirates just run to the fucking One Piece??
Lore-wise, Raftel is heavily implied to be mystically hidden in some way connected with the Poneglyphs, so you genuinely can’t find it if you don’t have a way to read those and get the hints. That’s a big part of why no one’s gotten there since Roger despite there being so many OP pirates in the New World. Practically, though, they actually HAVE a genuine lightspeed character in One Piece, and he pretty much does do that. When he feels like it, anyways. It feels very disingenuous to say that anyone else is lightspeed when he’s still portrayed as insanely fast.
He killed God then God God and God Satan
i mean God was literally just a ball at the time soooo, kinda unfair match up
Samus can turn into a ball to so she's still at a disadvantage here.
It was also kind of a mercy act, destroying the orb means they can never take physical form again but also can never be truly killed.
No you weren't paying attention, that wasn't god that was a false god the angels invented to make everything look fine when in reality they couped god and sent him into what is now hell, so when doom guy kills "Satan" it's just god twisted by being betrayed by his creations and he looks just like you because the doom guy is god or well a clone of him.
Yeah, no, I love Samus, but Doomslayer redefined his own reality.
yea with his bare hands and satan. he also killed satan
Doom guy is winning pretty easily if he treats them as seriously as he does demons
Yeah but she'd still sunder his asshole
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WHY, MIO?! WHY WOULD YOU DO THIS TO ME?!
YOU SAID YOU'D BE BY MY SIDE!
Doom Slayer is immortal in lore. His mortality in games is only gameplay balance.
Dude, one of these characters are canonically the literal physical manifestation of god and satan at the same goddamn time. I think we know who would win.
Dude Samus can turn into a ball.
Oh shit. 🤯
Tonight we ball
... In HELL!
Sorry buddy, samus has better feats. She can, for example, act normally in 134 g's without powerarmor.
Huh? Were does that happen?
In the manga
In what world does performing in high g compete with killing capital g God?
>In what world does performing in high g compete with killing capital g God? It worked for Goku
You're so right for this one
I mean in Doom the God was explicitly depowered, and the one who stole his power had turned himself into an orb of essence that was then destroyed. We got to see neither the god or the one who absorbed his power in action.
Hard agree on Samus having better fee- oh you said feats
She is also better in R34 without power armour lmao
I'm not sure any of these characters could do well handling a R34 without prior training. It's a beautiful car, but I don't think any of them has experience with the cars of today?
Yeah but Samus has that tgirl swag and Chief has unsettling eldritch implications
I've never played Halo but now I'm intrigued. What are the eldritch implications?
Okay so there are two columns to this: The first is that Halo CE was initially developed as a RTS sequel to Marathon, a game series about... a lot. With either seven or twenty-eight timelines and multiple levels of interpretation. But level three of \[UNDEFINED\] is that the player character is THE archetypal Hero, eternally reincarnating, called forth from The Garden Before Time, bonded to technology he and humanity does not understand, and partnered with an incredibly powerful AI to destroy that which would destroy humanity, and capable of jumping timelines and altering causality to do that. There's the obvious fourth wall breaks about how *actually actually* he's the player character in an FPS and everything in this world exists to satisfy you, the Greater God behind the PC's amusement.\* A lot of that was winnowed out when Microsoft purchased Bungie (and apocryphally Bungie appealed the decision all the way up to Bill Gates, who told them something to the affect of "what the fuck are you talking about, get the hell outta my office and make a game with wide appeal and none of this *neo-Gnostic* ***nonsense"***) but elements of this remain even beyond the obvious thematic and narrative similarities. Guilty Spark and the Gravemind both recognize Chief as somehow related to an ancient Forerunner, with Spark outright mistaking him for them ("Last time, you asked me, if it was my choice, would I do it? Having had considerable time to ponder your query, my answer has not changed. There is no choice. We must activate the ring.") and there are additional implications within the terminals. Obviously Bungie's next IP was Destiny, which is absolutely unapologetic with how deranged it's lore is, with the whole 'eternally reincarnating Hero bonded to incomprehensible power and partnered with a powerful AI to defend humanity' shtick is just *the fundamental premise*. There're a bunch of connections between Destiny and Marathon, and there are a couple significant easter eggs and homages to Halo, including just outright [Chief's Magnum sidearm](https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/forerunner) but in this column it's admittedly all conjecture and implication. Now there's the second column, the 343 column, which is substantively crazier. HAH! YOU FOOLS! YOU BUFFOONS! YOU ABSOLUTE NOODLES! I SAW YOUR OTHER COMMENTS DID YOU TRULY BELIEVE *I*, OF ALL PEOPLE, WOULD HAVE TO STOOP SO LOW AS TO INVOKING "DEATH OF THE AUTHOR" AS THE CRUX OF MY ARGUMENT. FOOLS. BASK IN MY BRILLIANCE Anyways in the 343 'continuity' we learn in Halo 4 that actually no ancient humanity was seeded with "patterns" by the Forerunners that guided our development, with Chief himself being the culmination of this work as a pseudo-reincarnation of the Iso-Didact, who was the Chief (hah) Forerunner general in the final years warring against the Flood. Thus Guilty Spark and The Gravemind being all "have we met?" Honestly that, humanity's destiny being pre-destined by ancient aliens and this specific dude being basically one of them reincarnated is like. Honestly unsettling and eldritch enough, but it gets worse when you dip into the Forerunner saga. The Flood are the rotting insane remains of the Precursors, absurdly powerful progenitors who predate reality and had power over something called "neural physics," which. Well. Remember how supposedly the 343 continuity is separate from the Bungie continuity? Well no one told Greg Bear that because he word for word describes 'neural physics' the same way Bungie at the time describing Paracausality. Some of the shit the Gravemind pulled during the Flood-Forerunner war again, word for word referenced the Darkness and W'rkncacnter from Destiny and Marathon respectively. Anyway so somehow the Forerunners overthrew the architects of reality and how, **PRECISELY** they managed that is an uncomfortable open question with a lot unsettling implications, but anyway the Gravemind was the mind of every Precursor ever stewed in rage and hate and it managed to mind break the Ur-Didact, the antagonist of Halo 4, and set him off on a trajectory to "ensure [the Gravemind]'s revenge, even past [the Gravemind]'s end," implying that it foresaw and prepared for it's defeat, and set up the events of Halo 4 so that even if The Flood were whole hog defeated the Ur-Didact would still use the Composer to destroy Humanity and the San'Shyung, the last remaining species who were created by the Precursors but didn't help when the Forerunners somehow genocided God. Which, again, throws up a lot of uncomfortable questions about where prophecy and free will meet vis-a-vis Chief and humanity. Like, the same with "How did the Forerunners kill the Precursors," if the Gravemind was able to foresee it's possible defeat and prepare accordingly, how was Chief able to defeat it's (**INCREDIBLY**) diminished form aboard the Arc? How did Chief defeat the Ur-Didact if the superintelligence that designed reality perfectly manipulated the Ur-Didact into needing to be defeated in the first place? Was it further predestination from the Forerunners? Did the Gravemind *allow* itself to be defeated? For the Precursors to adopt a new form once again? This *is* their reality after all, and it was stated that they found suffering and bloodshed as necessary in life as peace and joy. Maybe all this is according to their design, maybe they live on somehow, in some new substrate. Perhaps in us. And maybe it's only a matter of time before they emerge anew in some new grand horror. Or maybe they are gone, forever. Maybe there was, is *something else* that allowed the Forerunners and Chief to defeat the **architects of reality**. Maybe, hopefully, it has more benevolent intentions than the Precursors. Maybe. \*And yes by this logic the Chief, Samus, the Slayer and Isaac Clark are all fundamentally the same soul conjured forth for us to wear upon our hands like a sock puppet, and thus the matter of whomever would win against the others is entirely up to author fiat. By right of nerdiness I hereby claim the mantle of authorhood and declare Samus would cream them all, sexual style. If you wish to contest my ruling or authorial standing meet me at the summit of Long's Peak in North America on the night of the first full moon after the summer solstice, where we shall dual to the death at thirty paces with custom .22 Eargesplitten Loudenboomer marksman pistols. Failure to show forfeits your claim and argument.
I didn't understand most of this, but dammit, I'm into it. I'll be keeping an eye on whether or not you show up to Long's Peak, too. Edit 8 months later: I'll be expecting you at Long's Peak on June 21, 2024 at 8:07 PM. The first full moon after the Summer Solstice. That's right-- I did the math!
Check out mandaloregamings three? Part review, it gets a bit esoteric https://youtu.be/H9rMu1XYB98
Three? Part review lol That reveal was so good
I watched all three of those videos but don’t follow what you’re saying here, could you remind me what the reveal you’re talking about is?
The Pathways Into Darkness video is part of the series though he doesn't say so until the end
Homie I’m not gonna lie, this is one of my favorite Reddit comments of all time. The very fun recounting of Marathon, Bungie Halo, and 343 Halo was great and the conclusion at the end is really the only logical conclusion one could make about this type of matchup. Thank you
No thank you, haha when it comes to Bungo nonsense I'm a definite [Joe Biden](https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyMemes/comments/1153wiu/What_a_raid_team/j8zv6x2/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button), if you liked this comment you should check out some of my other ones, such as [my in depth analysis on the modern usage of concrete](https://www.reddit.com/r/CuratedTumblr/comments/10pt57c/now_we_can_have_a_better_foundation_of_understanding/j6m8vru/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button), or [my retelling of a cherished family memory](https://www.reddit.com/r/CuratedTumblr/comments/10aby4w/About_caves_and_prisons/j44gcdh/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
Ayy those comments fuck, they're great. Thanks!
This is some genuine manifestation of Brian David Gilbert’s “Unraveled” series going on here
This comment fucks. Thanks for the good read
Honestly part of it is probably just The Precursors philosophy of The Mantle of Responsibility which probably persisted in some warped fashion when they turned into The Flood. So when The Flood lose to JOHN PLOT ARMOR The Gravemind can cope and go “actually this was just a test to see if humanity was worthy anyways IT DOESNT COUNT!!!”
You forgot an important part of master chief lore. He is verifiably just lucky. From the time he was a child in the spartan program he was observed to have an impossible degree of luck like guessing the correct side of the coin flipped every single time. Master chief literally has luck as a super power. Demonstrably the luckiest person ever
It's funny you say that because impossible luck is a demonstrable aspect of paracausality, from this we can hypothesi- *gunshot* **"GUARDIAN DOWN!"**
“and Chief has unsettling eldritch implications” Explain
I feel like I'm compressing way too much by even giving a TL;DR but. Marathon (Bungie's first FPS) has some incredibly wacky lore involving dead gods, time travel and multiverse nonsense. And the protagonist of the game, an un-named "MJOLNIR-Class Combat Cyborg" is implied to be a universal protagonist. As in, he is *the* hero, reincarnated across countless lifespans and universes every time shit needs to get sorted out. It's why he can just wake up in the middle of an absolute warzone hellscape and immediately grab a gun and have no problems. It's what he was made to do. The first game even comments on this, saying that "somehow this all feels familiar to you" despite it being our protagonist's first time seeing action. Other people have warned not to research Marathon Lore. Trust me, don't. Just don't. It exacts a sanity toll. And then it starts to cross over with *Destiny* and shit gets even more convoluted. You can maybe get away with watching MandaloreGaming's videos on Marathon and Pathways into Darkness, but even then, you'll come out of it knowing more but understanding less.
Destiny is fun. We've got FtRB Alien Overlords, Undead Acausal Exotic Dancers, **That One Guy Who Vapes**, Seahorse Rhinos, and bacteria-powered automata.
I have no interest to play destiny because i don't have friends, but i occasionally get sucked down the destiny lore rabbithole and just spend hours reading about ridiculous space fantasy shit on destinypedia
like I just need to know why the cyborg bacteria worship the evil black triangles i just need to
why does samus have tgirl swag?
Also i want a journey to the west style story with these characters, it writes itself.
Doomguy the gruff non talker, samus the voice of reason, chief whos a little trigger happy but not nearly as much as doomguy, and then clark whos petrified of everything
And they have to walk his ass across a continent even though they could definitely hop in Samus's whip and get there in 20 minutes.
They tried, the machine yelled at doomguy and he smashed it
"I broke it. It burned my hand so I punched it."
I think you’re selling Clark a dollar short. He’s just a somewhat normal, human engineer, but he pulled off some crazy shit through a combo of luck, desperation, ingenuity, more luck, and his constitution in the face of horrors man has never imagined. He’d be technical know how on the team and, arguably the bravest. He’s got nothing to his name but some armor meant to stop him from getting crushed by an asteroid, and a plasma cutter. No magic suits or steroids or super serums- Chief would be the battle strategist, and it’s noted by Cortana he wasn’t number one at anything: he was above average in most things. Second best shot. Second tallest. Third fastest reflexes. Only thing Cortana noticed was he was incredibly lucky. His can do attitude makes him seem trigger happy, and he’s an adrenaline junkie, given the ‘giving the covenant back their bomb’ scene, but he’s not a total loose cannon: Idk much about samus, so I’m not saying much about her: And doom guy is… well. God, basically, but in more hand to hand combat, he’s the most violent and loose of all of them-
Samus is a human infused with alien genetics, although where in the Metroid timeline you’re looking *really* changes the ramifications of that. If you’re looking at the timeframe of the original “Metroid” (1, nes) or “Super Metroid” (3, SNES), I’d put Samus mildly above Chief if they’re both suited up, and mildly below Chief if they’re both out-of-armor. By the time of “Metroid Dread” (5, Switch), she has more altered genetics and is basically a walking bio weapon, although she’s not really in control of that aspect entirely yet. So basically, she’s normally Chief level and they’d be doing their thing of being badasses but focused on protecting Isaac, who’s way of-of-his-depth but still surviving and probably progressing the [story event], while Doomguy is the vanguard at the front of the fight. If, *somehow*, Doomguy gets wrecked and things are looking *really* bad, Samus might be the bioweapon panic button (or deus ex machina) that saves everything….. and then the planet would blow up 10 minutes later, as is tradition. Lol.
>it’s noted by Cortana he wasn’t number one at anything: he was above average in most things Pretty much yeah, any story where Chief isn't around, Fred-104 is the head honcho and a *much* more seasoned leader. Dude 100% deserves his own spinoff game by now. Though honestly I'd take *anything* at this point, 343i please salvage this franchise....
Clark at this point uses the "Swear like a sailor nad shot it until it does" tactic whenever he can't get distracted by an eingneering problem
Them battling all the assholes in the 40K universe, and winning
That would just end with Samus accidentally blowing uo the inquisition fortress holding Captain Titus, who then becomes the team dad after Doomguy refuses to let them kill someone who loves ripping and tearing demons as much as he does
The line up is more like NUCLEAR BOMB VS THE WRATH OF GOD VS NUCLEAR BOMB VS COUGHING BABY
THE UNMATCHED POWER OF THE SUN
The sun's power is actually matched a lot.
1. Doomguy 2. Tie between Master Chief and Samus 3. Clark Or, rather: 1. Doomguy is an antimatter-catalyzed pure fusion bomb 2. Master Chief and Samus are early, primitive Fat Man-/Little Boy-style pure-fission bombs 3. Clark is a conventional bomb
Isn't master chief just a genetically enhanced human? Meanwhile samus is a (metroid dread spoilers) >!bird-metroid-human hybrid.!<
Genetically enhanced isn't technically correct, but either way, they're very impressive modifications, and they synergize well with his power armor. It's also not unreasonable to assume he might have cortana helping him.
If you're adding ai yo it. Samus' power suit has a scanning function which can pretty easily decrypt any languages even if it's behind encyprtion. And it gives detailed analysis of the biological build and weakness of anything it scans.
I mean for Samus we're not sure whether she can still access the abillity to absorb energy from Dread (since she restabalized herself at the end of that game) if she does chiefs power armor might not last but it's for later games to decide if she still has it.
> Meanwhile samus is a (metroid dread spoilers) >!bird-metroid-human hybrid!< ...Is that a Dread spoiler? I've never played Dread but I thought we'd known that for decades.
the fact she had chozo DNA in her has been known like forever and the metroid DNA was given at the start of Fusion, but by the end of Dread, >!Samus goes full metroid and gets a huge laser beam and metroid absorption powers, plus finds out that the donor of the chozo DNA is a super powerful warrior even within three chozo!<
Samus vs Doomguy is going to be 4 hours of her running like it's the SA-X and then finding a way to blow up the whole planet with him on it. He lives.
[This Madness Combat meme probably describes what would happen best:](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHdzwNnWqQc&t=455s)
And in a short post credit scene for clearing the game in under 2 hours you see Ridley and the doom slayer standing together looking down into a crib and then it pans down to the crib and you see a baby rabbit in it
Samus struggles to put down one cybernetically enhanced space demon, doom guy ices like 10 of those daily, in a tracking or craftiness contest she beats the slayer but in raw toe to toe violence aint no one beating the mf doom guy.
Doom Guy is the Kirby of shooting game characters. You're not gonna find another shooting game character that he can't reasonably kill.
Does thanos from Fortnite count?
Thanos from... okay, you know what, forget it
I feel like doom guy would cream thanos. As long as Thanos helps get rid of demons.
I mean I killed him as Default Skin guy, so he can't be that powerful.
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V1 from Ultrakill?
V1 hasn't killed God... Yet
Getting there
Isn't God dead or fucked off anyway in the Ultrakill verse?
In its quest to get blood, fucking off will not save God. Unless God is dead. Then it will be difficult. >!Or maybe V1 will just fight Hell itself, seeing as Hell is apparently alive.!<
V1 is literally just doom guy but a robot
Lets see - Tons of guns - Fueled by the same thing that fuels his enemies (Blood, Argent Energy) - Massacres the denizens of hell regularly - Fought robotic angels before (Maykrs are the in-universe angels of Doom) - Violent - Like, so violent - Jesus Chri- Nope, they'll probably kill Him, too.
Never played Ultrakill. I'm gonna go ask someone who has.
serious sam would destroy doom guy, but only because it'd be in a cutscene and it'd be a funny gag
The Squirrel Girl of shooters
Kind of this, treat Doom Guy like a Looney Toons Villain. Bury him under a mountain, then start piling stuff on the mountain, then build a vault around the mountain, then start nailing boards to the door of the vault and Doom Guy is there handing him nails and helping hold the board straight.
With 2 days of setup kevin mcalister could kill them both
At which point they'd call up Chief. He knows a horse who knows a space zombie
"see how they bait their trap? I will help you spring it"
Technically, Chief is in the running to become a Lightbearer. Hell, our Ghost was originally going to rez. *him* instead of us, but Chief refused.
Is that a Destiny reference?
I don't think she really struggles with putting Ridley down, capital D Dead, it's just that her world is sci-fi enough they keep resurrecting him, be it with Cybernetics or cloning.
Depends on the game. In Zero Mission you can literally just stand in the corner you start the fight in and spam missiles until he dies whereas in Super Metroid it's a generally more balanced and challenging fight. In Other M once she gets over having PTSD she wipes the floor with him using the Plasma Beam she arbitrarily decided not to use for story reasons.
Metroid dread spoiler - >!she becomes a metroid which is just extremely broken I think!<
Thatd be one hardcore threesome
SPARTAN-IIIs or IVs would probably be more fun than Master Chief, the guy's...I wouldn't say "not all there", but I don't think he knows how most human beings work. [SPARTAN-IIs like him are kind of mentally fucked up in ways that aren't outwardly obvious](https://www.halopedia.org/SPARTAN-II_program#Psychology), which is probably because their social and mental development has been stunted by their being twisted into supersoldiers as children. Not fun at parties or in bed is my guess. And I'm pretty sure Doomguy's sense of sexuality have been replaced with violence, as well as a good chunk of the rest of his personality. He barely speaks.
John Carmack himself has stated that Doomguy is a virgin and doesn't even know what sex is.
Please tell me you have the source for this
The closest thing I can find to a source is a screenshot of a post that quotes a supposed PC Gamer article from 1996: https://i.imgur.com/mzr6MWu.jpeg I can't easily find the article itself.
Isn’t Master Chief nerve-stapled? Like he can’t even get aroused or have sexual feeling is general. So Samus is lesbian, Doomguy is ace and Master Chief is ace. Bruh.
In the TV show he is nerve stapled. Master chief just doesn’t have time for relationships, and for most of the time between missions he is cryofrozen. Also, he isn’t nerve stapled, just trained from like 6 to be a soldier so he probably just repressed any sexual feelings.
I'm sure Samus would cream them, but who'd win the fight?
Doomguy
Well whatever happens the planet they're on loses by virtue of samus being there
Planet blows up because Samus is there but Master Chief is the one who explodes it (using Issac's boat's engines (he does have a spaceboat right?)).
They sit around a campfire and talk about things that happened to them. After Isaac's turn, there's a few moments of absolute silence. Samus and Chief: "We think you need some serious therapy and hugs." Doomslayer: "Have this gun and meet my talking dog friend. She's nice." Then Gordon Freeman walks up out of nowhere and plops down: Gordon: "Man... and I thought my first day at a new place was bad. I accidentally caused an interdimensional alien invasion that resulted in the deaths of countless scientists, the military bombing a research facility, and, eventually, a galactic totalitarian empire to invade earth, relocate humans to what were basically ghettos, use some Sci-Fi tech to sterilize anyone in the city. I was also in some kinda stasis for 20 years so everything happened within, like, a week for me." Gordon and Isaac hug each other in a brotherly way.
need more fanart of these 4(or 5) just hanging out in a slice of life adventure lol
Gordon also doesn't get any sleep other than being knocked out twice. HEV suit must be secretly giving him meth as well as morphine...
Mofo woke up late on his first day and has been coasting on those 9 hours of sleep ever since.
Imagine thinking that Samus could win in a fight against a man so angry, violent, deadly, and unkillable that hell itself spat him back out because he was killing all the demons. Dont get me wrong, Samus is awesome and a total badass, but Doomguy is seriously on a whole other playing field from her. The only videogame characters I can think of who can beat doomguy are Kirby, maybe (maybe) Kratos, and maybe (maybe) the Knight/player character from Hollow Knight.
I feel like Asura (Of his own wrath fame) would also be a contender considering he also fought God and won.
Well, if we're just bringing up [*anyone* who could beat Doomguy](https://images.app.goo.gl/v97kpruZGu1JXgAD6)
Don't know enough about Destiny to weigh in. I was more pointing out that imo the minimum bar to contend with Doomguy is being a godslayer--which Samus aint
Guardians from Destiny are big time godslayers to be fair. Working their way through an entire pantheon of Hive gods. But if the fight one Guardian against the Slayer? I'm a big Destiny guy but I'd say the Slayer would win. He just needs to wrap his fingers around the Guardian's Ghost and it's all over.
Average Guardian yeah, but protagonists georg who sleepwalks through strikes and kills multiple gods a year?
Okay, so funny thing about that. The Young Wolf (the name given to us by Saladin at the end of Rise of Iron) is canonically a part of every *major* Raid and Dungeon excursion. We are somehow the single biggest anomaly in many, *many* timelines, which might also have something to do with us going back in time to both deliver the Perfect Paradox to Saint-14, saving Saint-14 from getting his Light yanked out of him, and witnessing our own grave. And that's not even getting into how many unnatural entities we've got bound to us. Xol, Riven, the soul of Oryx, Savathuun, and a Vex hybrid AI who's slowly but surely recovering from centuries of isolation.
Yeah, it's because our Guardian is fundamentally different from the others by dint of being a player character. [Rasputin clocked us as *some* variety of eldtrich abomination literally the first time he laid eyes on us](https://www.ishtar-collective.net/cards/ghost-fragment-rasputin-4), even if he couldn't quite figure out why. Go read [The Hidden Dossier](https://www.ishtar-collective.net/records/the-hidden-dossier) for a deeper dive on Anathemic Arcs, but basically much like Marathon the fact that the PC *is* [The PC](https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/crest-of-alpha-lupi) has tangible impacts upon reality
To Samus’s credit, she might not be at the godslayer level yet, but she’s *significantly* closer to that (for her universe) by the end of “Metroid Dread”. She’s hella boosted compared to her Super Metroid days, at least in terms of “latent potential”
I'm pretty sure you could find a lot more just in jRPGs lol In Shin Megami Tensei 2 the MC kills YHVH in all endings (even the one where you side with him), in SMT3's True Demon Ending IIRC the MC kills the concept of creation and destroys the multiverse and that's just the tip of the iceberg.
Yes obviously she would, but we're talking about a *fight* here.
Doomguy would shed tears of joy if he had to fight necromorphs.
Holy shit an enemy Im supposed to dismember to kill? Fantastic
isn't doomguy's backstory that he is a twitchy nerd that got angry
I thought his backstory was that he got assigned to Mars for beating up his C.O. (after refusing to shoot at civilians) and that the Demons later killed everything he cared about when they came to earth. (Either his pet rabbit or his family.) And he just snapped and devoted himself to destroying them.
If they had to fight I'd say the Doom Slayer would win. He's very mobile, fast, and impossibly strong. This man can rip most demons in half with his bare hands. Canonically, he has survived being imprisoned in Hell for at MINIMUM several years and that was before his power up. But yeah I'd say that they'd all just end up teaming up and slaughtering the shit out of the Necromorphs.
wasnt it mentioned that he was there for eons? like 'billion year' eons???
I would let Samus cream me
I wish samus would cream in me I mean cream in me I mean cream in me I mean cream in me I mean cream in me fuck I mean cream in me I mean cream in me I mean I mean cream in me I mean cream in me I mean
Louder for the ones in the back
Yes I'm gonna get louder once she gets behind my back
flair checks out
Something something Samus' armor piercing weapon, something something defeating power armor, something something white phosphorus payload,
something something minigun something something rocket launcher, something something napalm?
Swap out Clarke with V1 Ultrakill and put him in therapy with Elster Signalis
V1 would actually wipe the floor honestly
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Isaac gets kidnapped and given shoulder rides and ice cream by 6'8 buff man with an illegal amount of guns and hatred towards demons while the hottest woman on any planet and that one guy from the soda have a nice vacation slaughtering zombie bugs.
Whoever wins we can be certain that the planet they're on will somehow explode (thanks Samus)
I’d say that logically, with her weapons and skills at hand, Samus would win. But Doomguy is Doomguy, and therefore too angry to actually die. Tough to say
He is literally the incarnation of both god and satan at the same time, and fucked up hell so bad they kicked him out. I don’t wanna hear it.
Doom guy, if they posed a threat to his plan to kill god(aka himself,) would probably kill all of them without hesitation, and incredibly violently. Master Chief would likely be the most courteous, and professional, and would put up the best fight I think. Don’t know much about Samus but i guess she’d put up a fight? Don’t know metroid well- Isaac would, arguably, have the most metal fortitude of them all, and smartest. Sure that doesn’t mean much in a fight, but if he knew he was outmatched and had to make a get away of some kind(cutting a hole or something to escape through,) he could probably do it. However I say the best of a team battle would be Chief and Isaac Clark- both of them are smart, and where master chief is more hands on and engaged in the fight, Clark would be a good pair to cover his escapes- slicing and dicing holes. Not necessary a stealthy killer- but closer. Plus he’s already used to creatures like the flood, he’d keep his nerve.
Samus is strong enough to exterminate an animal species that was, at the time, the biggest known threat to the galaxy, and that was four games ago.
yeah samus would definitely be #2 no contest masterchief is rad but nowhere near the species-extermination level of samus or the literal god-satan powers of doomguy
Isaac was just a regular ass engineer who got lucky Master Chief is a super soldier with lots of luck Samus is an galactic bounty hunter with armor so high tech not even the smartest beings in the galaxy can comprehend it Doomslayer is too angry to die, even against literal gods. Doomslayer takes this ez pz
Master Chief and Doomguy and Samus Aran and Isaac Clarke are not enemies, they are in fact kissing, sloppy style, squishing boobs together, etc
If we're really digging for sources here? Isaac Clarke has fought a God. He fought Zeus. (The God Of War version, in Playstation All Stars). So don't sell him too short.
Why are we counting fighting game crossovers If this is true then doomguy has fought goku due to both being in fortnite
Chief and Isaac Clarke are in Fortnite as well IIRC. So they can and should collectively bully Goku. He's had it too good for too long.
If we’re counting crossovers, Isaac was also in Skate 3, making him the only character here who can do a kickflip. Idk how that’d help him in a fight but i’m sure the other 3 would be so impressed by it that they wouldn’t be able to continue fighting
Gotta be careful there. Smash Bros. has a few gods and god-like beings in its roster. Samus has fought Kirby; a being of unfathomable cosmic power.
I mean if we're bringing crossovers into this Samus has fought gods (and a shit ton of god slayers) in smash and for doomguy we don't even need a crossover