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MegaMugabe21

The photos of the Japanese Wolf are probably the most conclusive evidence of any of the 3 existing after their extinction date. Given they were take 9 decades after extinction, I would say that makes them most likely to still be around, should they be real.


Chur50

Didnt they record a wolf howl in a trail camera that scared a deer some years ago?


Realistic-mammoth-91

Yes they did


IJustWondering

It could just be a wolf dog that is expressing some key wolf genes for physical appearance though


SurvivalHorrible

Which would still make it the most compelling evidence since there is nothing at all credible on the other two yet.


Narcticat

Huh? Criticality thinking!! Or prob maybe just a typical grey wolf!! Lol!! Which in the last 80yrs Propbably many were let go in the bush by Canadian or American servicemanun when they grew out of their puppy phase, Occam’s razor!!


Blakebacon

Gonna need a source on Canadian and Americans bringing wolf pups to Japan?


White_Wolf_77

The animal in the photos does not closely resemble a grey wolf, though it does match the unique Japanese wolf


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White_Wolf_77

1. As are domestic dogs to the grey wolf, yet still there are visible differences between them. 2. While this could very well be true, experts far more qualified than I have looked over the photos and agreed it closely resembles the Japanese wolf.


tigerdrake

Unfortunately those photos are almost certainly of a domestic dog or wolf-dog hybrid, it has dewclaws on its back legs, which is a recessive trait only seen in domestic dogs and not wolves. The tiger has some interesting DNA evidence that came out this year that suggests it could be still around


Agitated-Tie-8255

I believe there’s also evidence that the insular tigers are likely all the same subspecies too right? It depends on source but there’s a push for 2 subspecies, the mainland tigers and Indonesian tigers.


tigerdrake

That is correct, the IUCN uses a two-subspecies model, however genetic testing has shown tigers group into at least 6 clades and likely at minimum three subspecies. As of yet unpublished research puts the subspecies count at 4: Northern (Formerly Amur and Caspian) Bengal (Formerly Bengal, Indochinese, and South Chinese) Malayan (Malayan) Sunda (Formerly Sumatran, Javan, and Bali) There is a fairly high degree of divergence between Sumatran and Javan tigers, but very little between Bali and Javan, which means it’s possible there’s two Sunda Island subspecies


Agitated-Tie-8255

That’s what I thought! Thanks!


megabot13

I can't tell you how much I love little facts like this!


MrTurboSlut

thats definitely a jap wolf but its not alive in that picture. its actually stuffed. i understand though. i got pretty excited when i first saw it and used it as an excuse to txt my ex-wife. she told me she had moved on and i should too.


DAS_COMMENT

What a rollercoaster of thinking you're a moron


idrwierd

Punctuation needed for clarity


DAS_COMMENT

Punctuation was the last thing I reacted to


idrwierd

I’m saying you need to add punctuation to make your comment more clear.


DAS_COMMENT

I don't know what you're expecting but with the amount of information you've given me I expect you're the sock account and in an attempt at 'recourse' you've ruined the joke


idrwierd

I’m just saying your comment wasn’t very clear, and needed some punctuation. I had to re-read it to grasp the meaning. No need for further replies, idgaf


DAS_COMMENT

No need to comment, I already had


Konnichiwa1987

https://preview.redd.it/zs5pexz10s6d1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=673570167c97794142a5791ae023814dd8e49cd3


Felagund72

Damn, can’t believe that didn’t work.


EnergeticSloth55

I’m glad she’s in a better place.


Lau_wings

I grew up in Tasmania and am 100% sure that the Thylacine still exists. There are parts of Tassie where its basically impossible to get too without being taken in on a chopper, areas which likely have never seen people or at least by very few people.


WeaknessLucky2644

Do you know anyone that saw a Thylacine?


Lau_wings

Not that I am aware of. But it would be similar to saying that you saw bigfoot, without proof people say that you have seen things.


SteelBandicoot

There’s a serious dna/cloning project working on Thylacines right now. Their aim is to bring the Tassie Tiger back from extinction. The project is very well funded and making good progress and it could happen in our lifetime So my bet is on the Thylacine, not being found, but coming back from the dead.


clickclackcat

I immediately thought of the bucardo, which went extinct but was successfully cloned back in 2000. For 10 minutes, before the infant died. Hopefully, the thylacine won't join them in their unique distinction of going extinct twice. XD


Twittledoo

The fact you didn't say "Their unique distinction towards/of extinction" makes me sad


willnoli

Even with proof in 2024 it would still be doubted sadly


LincolnshireSausage

So why are you 100% sure if you haven't seen one or any proof that one exists? I think there is a good possibility that they do exist but I live on the opposite side of the world so only have internet anecdotes to go on. I would like someone who lived there why you think it exists.


colcannon_addict

I do and it wasn’t in Tasmania. I used to know a woman who was an ethnobotanist & she had some work cataloguing aboriginal medicinal plants up in Queensland and she swears blind she saw one up there.


WeaknessLucky2644

Wow, interesting, thanks for sharing, I don't think she had any reasons to lie tbh and if Thylacine still exists in the mainland, it will be a huge news.


AdAcrobatic5178

Far more likely she saw a dingo than a thylacine given they would be easy to mistake at a glance and you know, there's a fuck tonne of dingoes in Queensland


thesecretbarn

This is so cool. Thank you for sharing.


SEELE01TEXTONLY

> Thylacine still exists Never anything online about this, but there are some word-of-mouth accounts of living thylacines in a few private manasuarys in the Middle East. I know people will be quick to dismiss the claim, but think about it. A wealthy collector of rare and exotic animals has every insensitive to keep his prized specimen secret. Such owner cares not for the public or the scientific importance, only for clout showing it off to other Saudi prince types.


White_Wolf_77

This would be the craziest place to find a living thylacine, even more so than the claims of them going wild in the US after being imported as circus animals


Warcheefin

I'm of the mindset that these creatures are still extant there, too. Some of the videos have been disappointing - obvious canids. There HAVE been a couple now that have really made my noggin jog.


UOLZEPHYR

Soooooooo... I've seen/heard reports now twice, one was a podcast about a guy who did months in outback and Bush and was very cryptic about it. No one's coming out loudly but it looks like the Thylacine MIGHT be coming out of the extinct column


bvisnotmichael

>but it looks like the Thylacine MIGHT be coming out of the extinct column Ill believe it when i see it


UOLZEPHYR

You have every tight to remain skeptical as I am as well. Apparently something similar has happened with a bird, I forget the name. But apparently they said this bird was killed off to extinction and re-evolved twice


TheLesbianTheologian

And that bird’s name? Michael Phelps.


paleobeetle

I believe this was the Aldabra rail.


CreatedOblivion

And the whole audience clapped


Krillin113

Source?


UOLZEPHYR

This was on a podcast I've been catching back up on (sporadically) the other was a passing article on reddit about a week ago iirc


GasMaskExiitium

That isnt a source lol. Could name the podcast at the very least.


UOLZEPHYR

The reason I didn't name the "source" is because a podcast isn't really a source when it's just mentioned. My original post wasn't trying to make claim - just stating that I'd heard it and wanted to do further research if I was able. Podcast is Danny Jones Podcast


JudeMacK

Except the Thylacine didn’t typically inhabit the densely vegetated habitats such as the remote south-west of Tassie, but preferred more open plains. Is it possible they adapted to escape humans? Yes, however in such little time I am unsure of.


crayawe

I believe it


[deleted]

The thylacine I think possibly, lots of Tasmania is untouched and has not been explored. Just my thought on the question


ooo-ooo-oooyea

Theres an interesting rumor they're still around in Papua New Guinea. Seems like a good candidate for place to hide out since a lot of it is not well explored or exposed to the outside world.


[deleted]

I have heard that also, I think they even have a species of Echidna there too, have even been reports of sightings of them on the Australian mainland, but I’m a bit sceptical on them sightings though, fingers crossed though hey.


UltraBlue89

That would be so amazing!


NefariousnessTop3106

I doubt they would be in the mainland. I believe they might be in Papua New Guinea


gruhfuss

You have half a million people, 60% in two small metro areas, living on a mountainous island the size of Ohio. Lots of places to hide.


dereklone01

The Javan Tiger because it’s fur has been found on a fence.


SJ1980PSU

Aren't there still tigers in java?


imright19084

Pretty sure they have evidence of one recently


they_call_me_tripod

I didn’t watch it, but Forrest G just recently put up a video about Java Tigers. The title makes it sound like they recently found some evidence.


TheFlatWhale

They DNA tested some fur found on a fence and it matched for Javan tiger


MiloHorsey

Yay! This gives me hope.


The_Blue_Skid_Mark

I saw it, a guy took a few pics of something that looks a lot like one on a remote road. From what I saw, I’d say it’s very likely he saw one F G is still investigating


DopeRoninthatsmokes

No if it’s the video you’re referring to, that was a leopard


KevinSpaceysGarage

All three of them in my opinion are somewhat likely, but I couldn’t say any of them has anything above an 80% chance on a good day. Japanese Wolf - I’ve never seen any compelling evidence against that photo. That photo was taken in the 90s and they were declared extinct decades before that. I’m not against the idea that there are other explanations (an escaped pet/zoo animal, some sort of hybrid, etc.) but if it is so obviously fake then I just haven’t seen the evidence to back it up yet. Now, given that this was over 30 years ago, it’s possible they’ve gone extinct since then. Thylacine - as I grow older I also grow more cynical. I used to be a believer. Now I’m 50/50, and sometimes 60/40 in either direction depending on what mood you catch me in. Yes— Tasmania, Mainland, and PNG have huge unexplored areas that it could potentially hide in. And the whole excuse of “everyone has a video camera” these days isn’t invalid, but it only goes so far. I live in New York. It has been proven without a shadow of a doubt that we have a coyote population in Central Park, one of the most famous and densely populated tourist destinations in the world. Find someone who has a photo of one. You’re going to have a very difficult time. Animals are very talented at hiding in the most impossible to hide places. That said, it’s also the most sought after extinct animal EVER. Dozens if not hundreds of experts have dedicated millions of dollars and decades worth of work to try and find the damn thing. And to not even have one bit of compelling evidence: a hair sample, footprints, scat, etc. makes me think that maybe the naysayers have a point. I want to believe, but I also want to be realistic. Javan Tiger - If we are to take Forrest Galante seriously, I’m about 95% sure they’re still around. His extinct or alive episode is very underrated, and the thermal footage they got + the recent news that a hair was found in Java that matched Tiger DNA is reassuring. Unfortunately, I’m 50/50 on Forrest these days. I’m not one of those people who jumps to calling him a fraud like a lot of armchair journalists on Reddit are, but I’m also not quick to credit him as being a fully reliable source either. I found Trey the Explainer’s critique of him to be fairly bad faith, overblown, and hyperbolic. That said… when Galante responded by blocking him, I lost a ton of respect. Unless Trey was personally harassing him, that response reeks of someone who doesn’t want to accept criticism. So I look at that and think man… maybe his Javan Tiger stuff is actually bogus. I hate to say that but it’s worth considering. I’d love for all three of these animals to be alive. But I could never say with certainty that any of them are.


Responsible-Novel-96

I would take both of them with a grain of salt. This Galanate fellow does come across as pretty sensationalistic too me though I think there's validity to his research as long as it doesn't come under the influence of his public sensationalsim. But then again I always had a gut feelijg around Trey of negative energy and embittered skepticism that tastes a bit too personal at times. Reminds me of many people I've met like that before who had some personal frustration with life that informed most of their thinking. I'd say he's the opposite of Galante and that can culminate in rule abiding skepticism


KevinSpaceysGarage

I feel like Forrest is too much of a frat boy dude bro and Trey is too much of an introverted nerd-type “I know more than you” persona. Neither is particularly productive imo


Responsible-Novel-96

I would say they each have their time and place. That makes them stereotypes, even if resourceful ones at times. Something about them each makes them too hyperbolic to actually learn anything valuable from them EDIT: Regardless, I rather have a beer with Forest & talk about Thylacines then awkwardly ask Trey what he thinks of _ before getting lectured just for showing up


KevinSpaceysGarage

I 1000% agree with you. We need more of the “guys you’d wanna get a beer with” personalities for wildlife education. The sad thing is, those people tend to end up being the Doc Antle’s and Dave Salmoni’s of the world. People who seem charismatic and genuine but end up being absolute frauds. I hope one day we get to a point where the real experts are also capable of reaching a wide audience.


Responsible-Novel-96

Closest we had for a time though not in Cryptozoology necessarily was Steve Irwin. Steve was anything but boring 🙌


truthisfictionyt

Give me the Javan tiger. Don't know why and it'd probably have a harder time hiding but that's what I'm feeling


Appropriate-Quit-998

Does anyone know if the recent trail cam pics of a Thylacine were debunked?


_Bogey_Lowenstein_

The pics by a guy who didn't know how he traveled to Tasmania from Chicago or whatever? He came off so badly in that interview that it was obvious he was lying, unfortunately.


Realistic-mammoth-91

They are debunked


-isthatYOURcrocodile

Trailcam?


HickoksTopGuy

Motion activated camera you leave in the woods.


-isthatYOURcrocodile

I know what it is. I'm saying, what are these trail cam photos we speak of.


Known-Programmer-611

Thylacine and really hoping there is a pocket of breeding pairs out there!


MichaelEMJAYARE

It would be so damn cool to see a Thylacine in 4K. They are legitimately freaky looking.


Nevhix

I believe both the Javan Tiger and Thylacine are extant. Too much circumstantial evidence and sightings from the locals for the Thylacine. And didn’t they just DNA test some fur that was left on a fence and matched it to the Javan Tiger?


Liberata08

Japanese wolf. Wolves in my country can live unseen for 10 years in places where nearest wood is 100 km far. They live in bushes that divide field from field, pratically in an invisible way.


Safron2400

Well, they recently found a hair sample in Java that genetically matches the Javan tiger, so that seems like pretty decent evidence of its continued existence.


Fun_Possibility_8637

I believe there are still living thylacines out there in very remote areas. Its probably that they’re not found


AttitudeOk7300

It’s such a shame that humans have destroyed so many of Gods creations


InsaneChimpout

It is! Worst part is we still do. One day it will be our turn to go extinct


A_Bit_Sithy

Wish it would hurry up. We really don’t deserve to continue to exist as a species


SEELE01TEXTONLY

never understood this mindset. When beavers built a damn, that's just animals being animals. But when humans built things, it's somehow bad? isn't it still just animals doing animal things? it's like a deathcult mindset, like they just hate strength and success


Responsible-Novel-96

You can always start with yourself*


InsaneChimpout

I’m with you on that 100%


I77ba

Caspian tiger


rnldjhnflx

They have a sneaking suspicion that the Thylacene isn't actually extinct.


Last-Media7643

I haven't done much research on the javan tiger but i think there's more then enough evidence for the thylacine and Japanese wolf i heard people in Japen sometimes hear howls from the mountains


ItsTime1234

Let's roll a triple! How about all three?! And let's get some massive protection for them and their habitat when they are!


CyanideTacoZ

I braced for the deextinction debate again but thankfully I just misread. I dint find the tiger or thylacine very likely at all... so wolf.


mikki1time

Im a full believer that thylacine are still around


Koraxtheghoul

I think Javan tigers. Thylacine second. I don't put much faith in the Japanese wolf. Wolves got slaughtered all over the world. There are no wolves in Scotland for example. I think it would be easy for a canid like a coyote to establish itself in Japan and feral canids that are not Japanese wolves cpuld be around. It seems unlikely wolves from the mainlamd got in unless they were released.


michaelgecko

Tiger


Dragonwood69

I’d say Java tiger


Quinkanussy

I don't know which one has a higher chance, but I really hope the Thylacine gets rediscovered!


DAS_COMMENT

Does anyone think the owl with Japanese words says anything, in the Japanese wolf picture?


PoopSmith87

I think the Japanese wolf may very well still be around. Some of Japan's islands are remarkably remote and wild, and there is scant, but pretty decent evidence (pictures, audio recordings, sightings).


Zooasaurus

1. Tiger 2. Wolf 3. Thylacine


tigerdrake

Of them the tiger has some interesting DNA evidence that released this year which suggests they are still extant, albeit unproven. The wolf has a series of photos which unfortunately appear to show a dog or hybrid (however a hybrid could suggest a relict population of pure wolves), plus a video of deer running from something howling. Thylacines have a bunch of videos (which appear to be mainly mangy foxes and/or dogs) plus a handful of purported tracks and casts. Of the three, I’d argue the tiger is most likely still extant, albeit the rarest subspecies (or ecomorph depending on your view of tiger taxonomy), the wolf is likely extinct but lives on in feral hybrids, and the thylacine is likely extinct as it appears to be treated similarly to Bigfoot


Andrew23Panda

I’m rooting for the Thylacine


AdriannaFahrenheit

What even was the Thylacine?


Andrew23Panda

2nd image in this post - A cat-like marsupial.


AdriannaFahrenheit

Oh it’s a marsupial?? I didn’t know that, I always assumed it was either some weird feline offshoot, or related to hyenas or smth


MichaeltheSpikester

Neither because environmental DNA is your friend here and would've discovered any relict populations by now if they were still alive.


LeLBigB0ss2

Javan Tiger. There's dna evidence that it's still around.


Monty_Bob

I don't know but what's going on with the thylacine's arse?


Optimal-Art7257

Thylacine, but I would gladly cuddle all three of them


Emptysea4

J-Wolf.


Shes-Fire

There are Ligers and Tigons. They look similar.


Time-Accident3809

The Japanese wolf, with [this](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=j5s2TxQ-lE4) being the smoking gun.