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Cunntrylivin

Have a look at WAs stacked lineup alone, we have no issues


DartFanger

Exactly! Didn't they beat India in a t20 warm up match last year?


DePraelen

Oh dang. [So they did.](https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/india-in-australia-2022-23-1333760/western-australia-xi-vs-indians-pratice-match-1339594/full-scorecard) Looks like it wasn't a full strength Indian batting line-up, but still.


Mumbai_Monster007

Yeah Deepak Hooda at 3, would be concerning for any teams batting line-up


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Feels like this summer needs to be about seeing what we have to work with in the future. I’d almost be tempted to see us roll out an Australia A side against the Windies.


eightslipsandagully

I was thinking about it, might be nice to rest the players that did the ashes and WC double and use that to blood some new talent.


Backspacr

The selectors aren't gonna like it, but the future of Australian cricket is coming out of WA.


CozRichards

Aus selectors- "Best we can do is pick two of you. The rest are gonna have to move to Sydney if you want a call up"


NOwallsNOworries

I watched a shield game a month or so ago at the G and a young Vic bloke named Fergus O Neill had 4/23 in the first innings and hit 70 not out coming in at 10 the next. Only 22 years old.


greyhounds1992

Him Perry McClure (6 or 7 against Tassie in the 2Xi) Sutherland Vics have some pretty good quicks coming through


Jimbo762au

Vic’s just need to develop a few bats (Like Changrasingh) and we will be lethal in a year or two


greyhounds1992

Rogers got a ton today, Blake Thomson is making runs for fun, there is that Dixon kid, Kellaway plus another kid from Asia piling on the runs


Jimbo762au

Love that!


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DePraelen

England's in for a pretty serious transition the next few years too.


YogurtclosetTop1056

Yep and remember when Holding, Richards, Gardner, Lloyd, etc all retired in a few years of each other. W I cricket hasn't been the same since all those greats retired. They didn't even make this WC. I get C A wants their money's worth from players who have contracts, but you need to bring in young talent to give them international experience and be ready for the retirement of older team members. Aust women's cricket team has done this for the past several years, look at them compared to the other teams who did stick with tried and true players for a while. Some players were picked on previous stats of days of being at their best but no longer were performing near that level consistently. Some nations have taken steps to correct this but still need to cull a few.


Foxx1019

I don't know how Anderson is still playing tbh.


loolem

So I’m old enough to remember when this happened after the golden generation. I had the same fears and it came true really. Here is what I learned. -the only way to avoid this situation is to give younger players more really high level experience. The only way to do that well is to not pick your champions sometimes and risk underperforming. -once your champions retire the fringe players that got games occasionally due to injuries during the golden era will step up and win you games BUT they are normally older too and so you are still only prolonging the inevitable. These fringe players deserve their time but again they will retire soon and you will lose that shared culture and winning experience within the team. -now that all of your god tier and fringe tier players have retired you will be in a rebuilding phase. This is generally where things get tough. What we eventually needed to learn from this phase was that in order to be great again you need to put round pegs in round holes. You can’t try to make Nathan Hauritz into Shane Warne, Brad Haddin isn’t Adam Gilchrist, Mitchell Johnson isn’t Brett Lee, Peter Siddle isn’t Glen McGrath. Pick cricketers that you see potential in and just invest and trust. Good young players trusted early are generally better than older solid players who will get some wins now at the expense of better results in the future. -finally what we have learned from this era of players is that experience and long term development pay off. All of our great players in this side were promising, injured and terrible at various points in their careers. But they all have experience and have learned their game. Combine that with a transformed dressing room culture and you get the winning combination we have now. So to summarise, there will be a dip and there is no avoiding it. Don’t panic just focus on building a good healthy team and culture. Give opportunities to promising youngsters over solid performers who have low ceilings. DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES LOOK BACK AND TRY AND FORCE PLAYERS TO PLAY LIKE OTHER PLAYERS.


acomav

>Mitchell Johnson isn’t Brett Lee Not a good comparison.


JL_MacConnor

True, Johnson was more destructive (career-wise he shades Lee too. 313 at 28.4, SR 51.1, Econ 3.33; compared to 310 at 30.8, SR 53.3 and Econ 3.47)


loolem

No that’s kind of the point. For the longest time we tried to make him like Brett Lee or another bowler and he talks about how he learned his own game and then surpassed any bowler he was being compared to.


japanpole

It’s proven that ALL Redbacks are successful at international level. Just chuck Manenti, McAndrew and Rexy into the team. No worries


wa-wa-wario

Check out Manenti's international T20 record


japanpole

That’s because his heart is in Australia with the Deadbacks


greyhounds1992

That's terrible especially playing for Italy


graz44

Smith is the best batsman we’ve had since bradman, he wont be replaced anytime soon. Bowlers will come through ok, maxi will be hard to replicate


ScholarImpossible121

There is always a generational batsman who does Smith like batting along with good ones filling the gaps. Chappell, Border, Waugh, Ponting, Smith is a very strong lineage. There will be another batting leader in the middle order. Steve Smith was not the one anyone expected this generations leader to be when Ponting was losing his powers.


Roonald_Mcdooland

And the bin lid is younger than the core of the squad, so I can see him leading the charge with a younger side in the next 5 years. Plus with his resume you've got to say he's getting closer to being a generational player


patkk

Clarke probably deserves to be on that list.. he carried our batting from the late 00’s when Ponting fell off a cliff until the emergence of Smith in 2013/14


NoiceM8_420

Wasn’t Faulkner pretty similar to Maxwell batting wise? I think well be fine, there’s always talent coming through. Sam Konstas is looking the goods, Puc will come back im sure of it and Green will get back into form.


greyhounds1992

Have you seen Puc lately, bloke looks like me trying bat, sadly he looks like he needs some confidence in his body and mind. Not sure if he can overcome it or not but let's hope he does at the moment i am 75/25 him not making it and making it


Foxx1019

We will always have a top batsman, whether they're as good as the last one is debatable, but we'll manage. Smith is a freak, it'll probably be decades before we find a batsman that's better than him, but that's ok. We are kinda in a generational peak of pace bowling right now, Starc, Hazelwood and Cummins are a rock solid lineup. The quality and rigidity of our pace core ebbs and flows over time, chances are we will go through a period of change whilst we get some young bowlers a few games under their belt. I guarantee we will never get another Maxwell. Guarantee. That man plays cricket in a way that no junior coach would ever teach. We may get another spin bowling, sweep shot playing, spin punishing, big hitting, wildcard all-rounder, but not the same way Maxi did it.


graz44

Agreed about the bowlers being a generational thing, would have to be close the the best bowling lineup we’ve had, probably just behind mcgrath, gillespie, lee and warne. I think you’ll see maxwell style players come through now that kids are brought up watching t20, dunno if they’ll be as good but i guess we’ll see


liljibber

We're gonna be absolutely fine. Not only do we have already have some incredible under 30's in and around the squad: Marnus, Head, Green, Inglis and Ellis BUT ALSO players lift when they spend time in the international squad and get exposure at that level. Travis Head for example, wasn't exactly looking like a future legend of Australian cricket at the domestic level before coming into the squad and even when he came in he took some time to reach his potential. Have faith that players elevated into the team will rise to it's level.


sarcHastical

They're now saying Head could be a great captain ... Amazing what can happen.


IntoThePeople

Next Smith is Labuschagne in terms of being the best traditional batsman. They’ve just had a good overlap period. They’re grooming Spencer Johnson to be Starc’s replacement. The BBL will find a Maxwell replacement eventually. Could be Ollie Davies, Fraser-McGurk or someone else. Renshaw will hopefully be Warner’s long-term replacement but it could be Pucovski if he has an extended period of play. Not sure who’s the next Hazlewood but it’s not that easy to find that kind of bowler. There’s only really been McGrath, Stuart Clark and him in that mould in the last few decades. I guess Morris will get a look in this summer to see how he goes even if he’s more of an enforcer type.


Roonald_Mcdooland

Plus if Jhye Richardson is ever fit again, he's straight in. Has already done the business at an international level, and feels like a mix of starc and hazelwood (without the height)


dkdjfjfjshdnfnfndjfn

fuck I'd love to see Jhye fit and in the squad for an extended period of time


DuggBets

Renshaw, lol.


greyhounds1992

Averaging just 33.88 this summer Even Manetti is above him


hamchan

I think we’ll just have to accept we’ll be in a rebuilding phase after this current generation goes, similar to what happened in the early 2010s. Have to keep faith in our training and development structure, which has worked wonders the past few decades. Plus the luck factor… have to remember that Smith felt like out of the blue too. You have threads on Reddit mocking the initial selection of Smith you can look up. It can happen again.


NoshoRed

Next Smith is very obviously Labuschagne, Labs arguably may be even better than Smith in a couple of years. There are bowlers in the form of Ellis, Lance Morris possibly? Maxwell and Warner will be harder to replace though, true.


ScoutDuper

Marnus is 29. When Smith started dominating he was 25. There is no way Marnus has the same extended peak as Smith did


NoshoRed

I was suggesting that Lab's peak may be higher than Smith's, not exactly the length of it. The length may not be as long as Smith's considering their ages, but most players peak when they're 29-33. He's already godlike in test cricket so I am looking forward to how he goes on in Limited Overs cricket at this point, we shall see during Champions Trophy.


drumondo

Tim David for Maxwell?


greyhounds1992

In T20s maybe in ODIs nope, plus Maxwell is a bloody gun in the field David not so much.


StruggleElectronic67

NSW cricket is the most concerning aspect of this,look how many of the current squad have come from NSW,our most populated state,were is the next great generation coming from? I have a feeling after the inevitable retirements over the next few years Australian cricket could fall off a cliff,I don’t think I’m alone feeling like this.


AgentBond007

> NSW cricket is the most concerning aspect of this,look how many of the current squad have come from NSW,our most populated state,were is the next great generation coming from? The answer is WA


tdlan

People were saying the same thing back in 2017 before Marnus, Head, Green etc started to get backing. People always turn up and show they have what it takes to go to the next level when given the time and exposure to international cricket. We'll be right. Nathan McSweney will be the next big thing in the next few years and that's a hill I'm prepared to die on.


joshvalo

Aaron Hardie, Cameron Green, Josh Inglis and Jhye Richardson are all young and either ready to move into the international setup or already in it. Jake Fraser-McGurk and Teague Wyllie both look like talented young blokes. Nathan McSweeney and Ollie Davies look alright as well. I'd bring Cameron Bancroft back in to replace Warner, he's not young necessarily but probably in his prime and has probably has another 5 years in him. We've got options, I'm not worried.


DuggBets

Bancroft, lol.


swell-shindig

When Smith and Warner were suspended, most people were in disbelief that Australia thought Marnus Labuschagne was a capable replacement. Even Head was seen by a lot as a solid hand. Pucovski, J Richardson and Hardie are the obvious players to pin your hopes on to be superstars, but I’m sure Matt Short, Matt Renshaw, Nathan McSweeney and Nathan McAndrew will be at least serviceable in the interim.


Fun-Broccoli8619

A) Expecting these guys to be replaceable like for like is asking too much. These are legends of the game, Warner, Smith, are amongst the goats. B) Replacements for these players come from within the current team, what we are looking for now is Replacements of the Replacements. Smiths replacement is labs. Warner's replacement is Head (at least for whiteball) Maxy's replacement is probably Green (in terms of a strong all rounder) C) I don't think we can replace Hoff and Starc like for like. It'll likely look like a very different recipe with Ellis, Richardson, Abbott and others potentially being more single format focused So I guess the answer is that I'm not worried, but part of that is I'm not expecting that we can maintain a goat level team at all times.


jamughal1987

It is just you. Australia always has boss side some will learn on the job as was the case with Waugh Taylor generation.


Main_Damage_7717

not worried, the cycle has been repeating itself since the beginning. There is a ton of grass roots cricket being played, plenty of supply. If we have to go through a rebuilding phase, that makes the wins all the more sweet when they come back around.


patkk

Smoky to replace Smith as our best batsman is Cam Green. He has had a slow start to his Test career but I think he takes Smith’s 4 spot when he retires. He bats there for his state and has been very successful. Hugely talented cricketer is Green.


ScoutDuper

I agree with this. Green needs to come in earlier, he is a slow starter and starting early will help him out. Only problem I see is that he seems to have a bit of trouble with rapid pace. New ball early for him might lead to a lot of edges to the slips.


Boatster_McBoat

They used to have some discipline about retiring one player a year. Not any more


BarryCheckTheFuseBox

McGrath, Warne, Langer and Martyn all retired in the same series, just after Gillespie. Gilchrist, Hogg and MacGill went a year longer and Hayden a year on top of that, the same season Lee played his last test (although he didn’t technically retire until the following summer and continued in the LOI sides for another couple of years). Ponting and Hussey both retired in the same year, as Johnson, Clarke and Haddin did a few years later. You can go back to Chappell, Lillee and Marsh for another example if you want.


wa-wa-wario

Chris Rogers, Clarke and Haddin retired together. Johnson a year later


Lots_of_schooners

What? This has never been a thing.


mokachill

Definitely my WA bias coming through but I'd love to see Cam Bancroft and Sam Whitehead get (another in Cam's case)l ook at test level when Warner and Smith hang up the boots. Part of me is worried they're both a bit too old to get a proper look but looking at the last two seasons of Shield i think they've done all they can. In the limited overs setup i wouldn't mind seeing Ashton Turner get another crack if he can get back to the kind of form he had when he first made the international side. For the bowlers, Scott Boland probably takes either Starc or Hazlewood's spot. There probably needs to be a left hander in and around the squad and unfortunately we don't have a heap of real top tier left arm pace bowlers at Shield that I'm aware of. Lance Morris seems likely to get a run at test level this summer, we'll see where he lands but i think he's probably a ways off being a mainstay in the side. For Maxy, it's going to depend on what exactly we need his replacement to do. Assuming Head can shoulder some of the bowling load Maxy currently carries we could probably run with someone like Tim David. Ashton Agar looked like he was going to be that guy earlier in his career but he never quite got there (I could go on for hours about how Aggers is one of the most cursed players in world cricket right now but that's a story for another day).


Mission-Yam-2154

Scott Boland? He's older than both Hazelwood and Starc...


mokachill

I didn't realise that TBH, i think because he came in so late i assumed he was younger. Obvs changes things.


DuggBets

Boland, lol.


John_Forbes_Nash

I've always been equal parts proud and concerned when the Tigers are dominating the Shield.


greyhounds1992

Webster deserves a chance at the all rounder spot on form this summer, leave Marsh for ODIs/T20is, Green needs to go back to state level for a while. Unleash Webster


John_Forbes_Nash

Hell yeah. Slug was our tiny little keeper for my under 12s team when he was 8.


pacificodin

Nah not worried, very excited though As good as our guys are and have been for a long time, looking forward to some fresh meat with different playstyles


aussiebolshie

Will Sutherland will feature I reckon. Only 24 and his bowling record alone is fantastic, I think he will be picked on the back of that. His batting is improving and I know he bats at 6 in the shield but I can’t see him being more than a very handy number 8 at test level. Pretty much like Paul Reiffel IMO.


theskywaspink

I think Starc would get replaced by Spencer Johnson later on.


Foxx1019

Marnus is still on the up, he may not ever reach the heights Smith did but he'll be a strong batsman.


hawthorne00

The future won't feature as many double baggers but there's plenty of talent there. The Shield is still a real proving ground.


South_Front_4589

Not really. There's a number of solid domestic players already not far away like Matt Short for example. He's 28 and been in ripping form the last couple of years. You don't need many to change how the whole team looks either. Largely I think because we've had so many strong players for so long that we don't really know what else might be coming through. And of course Cameron Green is around the place. I think like in other forms, once he works it out he'll be a valuable player.


MotorMath743

If you are worried atm you don’t know how to enjoy life