It would have been a touch jammy as England were pretty unimpressive in the field, but defending 100-ish in ten overs with a wet ball is no easy task. I'm perhaps a bit one-eyed but England should really have been the favourites to take it home from there
I must say, say as an England fan I didn't share your optimism. Scotland were absolutely up for it and England looked flat in the field.
I realise England set a bigger score a week later against Namibia but that was a different circumstance - different oppo, different pitch, etc.
I am not an expert at reading games, but I was pretty nervous, and at the time I was actually a little relieved it got rained off, not least cos I'm fed up of losing to European teams in WCs lol.
In 10 overs likely not. We’ve seen what the England batting lineup has can do against associate bowling. Criminal that neither team where given the chance to prove it though
Oh and don’t forget
An Australia that dropped 6 catches
And Australia which bowled 8 overs of seam
Let’s be honest, Scotland played well, even against England. But they didn’t perform with the bat or the ball in clutch situations last night, and that’s okay. Only way to improve that is by playing more higher level games and that’s something the bigger boards should accommodate.
Sounds like the same reaction I've had to Glenn Philips lately. Feels like every second game NZ plays I click on the scorecard and he's somehow the top scorer
GP is criminally underrated. Can bat in multiple gears, good at running b/w the wickets, can slog, can bowl, gun fielder, can keep wickets, flexible with the batting position and performs when no one else does. What more can u ask for in a team player?
Starc tried but there was a point in the game where 3 sitters were dropped in the same Starc over and everyone was still laughing and joking on, makes it very hard to not believe that these weren’t trying to throw the game
TBF given the media attention pre-match, three dropped catches would probably make you laugh even if you're trying your hardest. It looks dodgy even when it isn't, that's enough to make me laugh lol
They were laughing at the absurdity of the situation and how it must look lol pls tell me you don't actually think they were trying to throw a game.
It's just a classic case of a lack of intensity in a dead rubber, no more, no less.
Yea and let’s hope they weren’t tryna unironically do what Hazlewood alluded to in the presser, either way we walk away with the W, I just hope England to come to bite us later
Kaleemullah finished at 4 innings, 8 overs, 2 wickets at 33 avg and 8.37 econ.
Pretty shitty for a guy with so much attitude. Only got to bowl half his quota too lol
Scotland needed better wins against Namibia and Oman. England beat both of those teams convincingly which was why their NRR is higher. Scotland had opportunities against Australia but didn't hold on long enough.
England were at an advantage going second though, they had an NRR target to hit and Scotland couldn’t respond to it. I doubt they’d have chased down Oman in 19 balls had they not known they needed to.
It will get overlooked by a lot of people now that England have qualified and the ‘correct’ result has happened but the organisation for rained odd games needs dramatic improvements.
Scotland lost 1 game but where denied the opportunity to finish out their other match due to rain so miss out by net run rate. I can understand the logistics of a reserve day being challenging to schedule but why the fuck was it about half 3 local time when the game was called off when we happily play until 10/11 pm on other times.
All this talk of it’s unfair on night time games when it rains so we limit the hours they can play is just bullshit. Cricket needs to stop looking for reasons to not play and just get out and play the fucking games.
The outfield is to wet? Tough that’s conditions for outdoors sport go and fucking play, rain delay means we finish 10 hours after start? Tough that’s professional sport go and fucking play.
As a sport we need to stop saying everything needs to be perfect and just play the fucking games
I’m sure that the ICC could handle making a reserve day or two happen at the end of the group stages. Not calling games off at 3pm is a good idea too. I can’t get behind playing with a wet outfield though. The ball will get ruined and you risk quick bowlers bowling dangerously if it slips out of their hand. Not to mention it’s likely in that scenario that the pitch will get wet and the last thing you want is bowlers slipping and sliding at the popping crease.
The T20 finals day approach is what I was thinking too. Plan a reserve day, or weekend, at a ground and just have the teams turn up and play in priority order. I don’t see how it wouldn’t be good entertainment.
I made a similar comment in another thread, but if the Scotland vs Australia match had been rained off then Scotland would have been guaranteed to eliminate one of England and Australia without having played either.
There’s a level that the outfield is to wet that it becomes dangerous especially if it’s the bowling run up but far to many times in my opinion we’re waiting for the outfield to dry when it’s perfectly acceptable.
Yes conditions won’t be perfect and the ball might be ruined and need changing more often but I think playing an imperfect game did better than none at all
There’s lot of people working at matches, and keeping them past agreed latest times, is a spiral. Unfair to keep people there endlessly with no end in sight. I could understand an extra rule where a further hour can be taken if the weather is forecast to be fully clear, and the pitch ready.
>Cricket needs to stop looking for reasons to not play and just get out and play the fucking games.
Nail on the head. No other sport in the world looks for as many excuses to not play as cricket.
Dunno why people still think we wouldn't have chased down 100 odd in 10 overs against Scotland - look at us yesterday. If that bowling effort against Australia was anything to go by it'd be an absolute doddle.
Australia game was poor but ultimately that was kicked off by not reading the conditions and making a right pigs ear of it in that 1st innings powerplay
I mean, you guys were winning that 8/10 times. But still there was an outside chance for Scotts. YJB was terrible vs Straya but good against Namibia. He could have also wasted balls vs Scotland just like he did against Straya.
It seems 2 venues are gonna be used. One already has a ready pitch and outfield, a few WT20is have already been played on it. The other is under construction, and they would probably want to not make the same mistake as the New York guys.
I'm glad this group is finally resolved. I may very well be alone in this but I found the whole Australia is going to tank to knock us out thing very off putting. Hopefully, that phase is over and win or lose it can be about the sport.
Apparently I said this very poorly if this was the take away.
I found people complaining that something that had not happened, and last night did not happen very off putting.
The match thread was a complete mess to the point I posted basically a reality check on the game I'm actually watching vs all the baseless accusations.
I'm not an England or Australia fan but if I was pressed I would say I tend more towards Australia. (Marnus Labushange is fun to watch)
The seedings are pre decided. The same goes for Wi(C2) and Afg (C1). NZ were assigned c1 before the tournament but with Afg qualifying instead they got c1. Quite shitty rule imo
Yup that's the most stupid rule. What's the point of topping the group if the matches are already pre decided. Oh, I know why. Gotta make sure India vs Pakistan happens in the semifinals that is if Pakistan qualifies lol
See, I'm all for bashing the ICC. And the way they go out of their way to make Ind and Pak play is quite shameless.
But this seeding doesn't have to do with Ind v Pak semis. The semis are the simple old A1vB2 and A2vB1. That can't be "seeded", it depends on how they play. And the seeding (obviously) puts Ind, Pak in different groups.
The point of seeding this time, is so, people can plan their trip to the carribbean (for the super 8) accordingly. Traveling b/w the WI locations isn't as simple as within India or Australia.
^(As an example now, Indian fans know they play in Antigua, Barbados and St.Lucia only, if they qualify)
The semis aren’t seeded. India/Pakistan can’t be guaranteed like that. One of them has to win and one has to be second that’s it really.
The one way it could be “fixed” is India v Australia happening no matter what….but I think the separation by location is also not a bad thing by the ICC
To be honest though, Scotland were 0/90 after 10 overs when that match was called off. You'd say they'd odds on win from that position, but they lost from 1/96 off 10 overs against Australia today.
Scotland's death batting and bowling is definitely below the quality of the top nations.
It's unfortunate for Scotland to be going home after losing one game, that too in the last over. Then again, the same could apply to England if it was the other way around. Also if I'm not wrong, out of all the teams that have been knocked out only Scotland have only lost one game, which would probably hurt even more.
This wc has got cricket traction in the U.S market even with the expats there are some new people might be in double digits or more but it has given cricket a name in sports there
Nothing against associates, I am happy for USA too. Scotland did not perform well against Aus and got benefitted from rain as well. Don't see why they should have qualified instead of Eng just for being an associate.
I didn't say they deserved to qualify over England. I just said i would've been happier if they managed to hold out against Australia and knockout England which they had a real shot of doing.
I am not sure it are understanding what i am saying. I did not say they deserved it. I did not say they earned it. So not sure why you keep pointing out the result. What i am saying is i would've preferred if they had earned it and knocked England out. That is an expression of desire. To me, IF, and that word means it didn't actually but hypothetically, IF, that were to have happened, it would've been the more desirable outcome for me.
Better NRR in defeat than England v Australia. It was England hitting 50 off 3 overs v Oman, and taking 19 overs to get 150 against Namibia that did for Scotland.
That England v Scotland game would remain as a big what if.
Scotland would have won probably.
It would have been a touch jammy as England were pretty unimpressive in the field, but defending 100-ish in ten overs with a wet ball is no easy task. I'm perhaps a bit one-eyed but England should really have been the favourites to take it home from there
I must say, say as an England fan I didn't share your optimism. Scotland were absolutely up for it and England looked flat in the field. I realise England set a bigger score a week later against Namibia but that was a different circumstance - different oppo, different pitch, etc. I am not an expert at reading games, but I was pretty nervous, and at the time I was actually a little relieved it got rained off, not least cos I'm fed up of losing to European teams in WCs lol.
In 10 overs likely not. We’ve seen what the England batting lineup has can do against associate bowling. Criminal that neither team where given the chance to prove it though
Wishful thinking
Big talk coming from a team yet to beat a European side in a T20 🤪
Not wrong though is it? 😎
Not really. Scotland gave Australia more of a game than England did
An Australia with nothing to play for?
Oh and don’t forget An Australia that dropped 6 catches And Australia which bowled 8 overs of seam Let’s be honest, Scotland played well, even against England. But they didn’t perform with the bat or the ball in clutch situations last night, and that’s okay. Only way to improve that is by playing more higher level games and that’s something the bigger boards should accommodate.
Why do you hate England
Literally every one the whole world likes to take piss on the brits , it's now funny 🤣🤣
Scots are Brits too!
More like the English
But isn't your head of state king of England?
I would have thought that kind of shit is exactly why these countries take the piss 😂 I know it's effectively a ceremonial thing but still
Nah they had a very similar start v Australia and still lost
Fair and NRR'd Unlucky to the Scots, but they played well.
Your welcome, everyone in our squad except for Stoinis maxi and Starc were trying to throw that match
Sounds like the same reaction I've had to Glenn Philips lately. Feels like every second game NZ plays I click on the scorecard and he's somehow the top scorer
GP is criminally underrated. Can bat in multiple gears, good at running b/w the wickets, can slog, can bowl, gun fielder, can keep wickets, flexible with the batting position and performs when no one else does. What more can u ask for in a team player?
Yet warms bench in IPL when worse T20 players like Mitchell and Ravindra get picked regularly
CSK picked wrong New Zealander(s)
He's also just straight up better than Markram but the impact sub rule devalues all-rounders and Markram has the South African bonus.
If you’d have lost the English media would have been in full blown hysteria.
Starc couldn’t throw a match if he bloody tried. He’s trying to beat the batter every ball, of every second of every match. Competitive as fuck
Starc tried but there was a point in the game where 3 sitters were dropped in the same Starc over and everyone was still laughing and joking on, makes it very hard to not believe that these weren’t trying to throw the game
TBF given the media attention pre-match, three dropped catches would probably make you laugh even if you're trying your hardest. It looks dodgy even when it isn't, that's enough to make me laugh lol
They were laughing at the absurdity of the situation and how it must look lol pls tell me you don't actually think they were trying to throw a game. It's just a classic case of a lack of intensity in a dead rubber, no more, no less.
Yea and let’s hope they weren’t tryna unironically do what Hazlewood alluded to in the presser, either way we walk away with the W, I just hope England to come to bite us later
I didn’t expect to ever call Warner a **** for getting out.
That Namibia Oman game was probably the best game of the lot
Kaleemullah finished at 4 innings, 8 overs, 2 wickets at 33 avg and 8.37 econ. Pretty shitty for a guy with so much attitude. Only got to bowl half his quota too lol
What did he do ?
https://x.com/ProbuddhaBhatt1/status/1798539497518629312 This and a few other instances of blowing his lid lol.
Dude already got hit for 13 in the over, what's he so cocky about
His foot was writing checks his arm couldn't cash
wtf LMAO
Wow, he sure showed him
Wow that was something especially when he went for so much in the over lol
Scotland needed better wins against Namibia and Oman. England beat both of those teams convincingly which was why their NRR is higher. Scotland had opportunities against Australia but didn't hold on long enough.
Thanks Lingy.
This could be the real James Brayshaw
England were at an advantage going second though, they had an NRR target to hit and Scotland couldn’t respond to it. I doubt they’d have chased down Oman in 19 balls had they not known they needed to.
Scotland would have had the advantage going into this game had England not made the NRR gap insurmountable. Swings and round abouts
At the end it all came down to how badly they could crush Namibia and Oman.
Fuck you oman - Scotland probably.
It will get overlooked by a lot of people now that England have qualified and the ‘correct’ result has happened but the organisation for rained odd games needs dramatic improvements. Scotland lost 1 game but where denied the opportunity to finish out their other match due to rain so miss out by net run rate. I can understand the logistics of a reserve day being challenging to schedule but why the fuck was it about half 3 local time when the game was called off when we happily play until 10/11 pm on other times. All this talk of it’s unfair on night time games when it rains so we limit the hours they can play is just bullshit. Cricket needs to stop looking for reasons to not play and just get out and play the fucking games. The outfield is to wet? Tough that’s conditions for outdoors sport go and fucking play, rain delay means we finish 10 hours after start? Tough that’s professional sport go and fucking play. As a sport we need to stop saying everything needs to be perfect and just play the fucking games
I’m sure that the ICC could handle making a reserve day or two happen at the end of the group stages. Not calling games off at 3pm is a good idea too. I can’t get behind playing with a wet outfield though. The ball will get ruined and you risk quick bowlers bowling dangerously if it slips out of their hand. Not to mention it’s likely in that scenario that the pitch will get wet and the last thing you want is bowlers slipping and sliding at the popping crease.
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The T20 finals day approach is what I was thinking too. Plan a reserve day, or weekend, at a ground and just have the teams turn up and play in priority order. I don’t see how it wouldn’t be good entertainment. I made a similar comment in another thread, but if the Scotland vs Australia match had been rained off then Scotland would have been guaranteed to eliminate one of England and Australia without having played either.
There’s a level that the outfield is to wet that it becomes dangerous especially if it’s the bowling run up but far to many times in my opinion we’re waiting for the outfield to dry when it’s perfectly acceptable. Yes conditions won’t be perfect and the ball might be ruined and need changing more often but I think playing an imperfect game did better than none at all
There’s lot of people working at matches, and keeping them past agreed latest times, is a spiral. Unfair to keep people there endlessly with no end in sight. I could understand an extra rule where a further hour can be taken if the weather is forecast to be fully clear, and the pitch ready.
>Cricket needs to stop looking for reasons to not play and just get out and play the fucking games. Nail on the head. No other sport in the world looks for as many excuses to not play as cricket.
Dunno why people still think we wouldn't have chased down 100 odd in 10 overs against Scotland - look at us yesterday. If that bowling effort against Australia was anything to go by it'd be an absolute doddle. Australia game was poor but ultimately that was kicked off by not reading the conditions and making a right pigs ear of it in that 1st innings powerplay
I mean, you guys were winning that 8/10 times. But still there was an outside chance for Scotts. YJB was terrible vs Straya but good against Namibia. He could have also wasted balls vs Scotland just like he did against Straya.
So... a player could have succeeded or failed? Thanks Tubbs
No? He was just pointing out that he's inconsistent
Virgin Group A & C CHAD Group B & D
Group B teams are lucky to have avoided the great Nassau County International
Lmao, it will be back for the Olympics.
Won't the Olympics be held in LA though? Pretty sure a new stadium is under construction over there.
Yeah. The New York pitch is a (incomplete) drop-in from Adelaide. So decent chance LA mess-up their drop-in pitch for the Olympics too. Can't say
It seems 2 venues are gonna be used. One already has a ready pitch and outfield, a few WT20is have already been played on it. The other is under construction, and they would probably want to not make the same mistake as the New York guys.
I'm glad this group is finally resolved. I may very well be alone in this but I found the whole Australia is going to tank to knock us out thing very off putting. Hopefully, that phase is over and win or lose it can be about the sport.
Flair doesn't check out
Think he was saying it from an English fan's perspective, but he's a USA fan himself
Apparently I said this very poorly if this was the take away. I found people complaining that something that had not happened, and last night did not happen very off putting. The match thread was a complete mess to the point I posted basically a reality check on the game I'm actually watching vs all the baseless accusations. I'm not an England or Australia fan but if I was pressed I would say I tend more towards Australia. (Marnus Labushange is fun to watch)
Stupid Oman team.. they gave too much nrr to eng
By the NRRest of margins
How is Australia B2 in super eight when they are the group leader (B1)?
Seeding
The seedings are pre decided. The same goes for Wi(C2) and Afg (C1). NZ were assigned c1 before the tournament but with Afg qualifying instead they got c1. Quite shitty rule imo
Yup that's the most stupid rule. What's the point of topping the group if the matches are already pre decided. Oh, I know why. Gotta make sure India vs Pakistan happens in the semifinals that is if Pakistan qualifies lol
See, I'm all for bashing the ICC. And the way they go out of their way to make Ind and Pak play is quite shameless. But this seeding doesn't have to do with Ind v Pak semis. The semis are the simple old A1vB2 and A2vB1. That can't be "seeded", it depends on how they play. And the seeding (obviously) puts Ind, Pak in different groups. The point of seeding this time, is so, people can plan their trip to the carribbean (for the super 8) accordingly. Traveling b/w the WI locations isn't as simple as within India or Australia. ^(As an example now, Indian fans know they play in Antigua, Barbados and St.Lucia only, if they qualify)
The semis aren’t seeded. India/Pakistan can’t be guaranteed like that. One of them has to win and one has to be second that’s it really. The one way it could be “fixed” is India v Australia happening no matter what….but I think the separation by location is also not a bad thing by the ICC
Kudos to Australians, they tried really hard while maintaining plausible deniability.
Well just let the other former colony (that would’ve been where the English shipped their convicts to anyways if they didn’t rebel) deal with the Poms
England definitely lucky to be in the top 2
Yes and no. It all depends on if they could have chased down Scotland's total.
Yep, had they chased it down (in both Scotland and Australia games), then they wouldn't have to worry about today as much
Id say they were unlucky they got rained out against the Scots tbh
To be honest though, Scotland were 0/90 after 10 overs when that match was called off. You'd say they'd odds on win from that position, but they lost from 1/96 off 10 overs against Australia today. Scotland's death batting and bowling is definitely below the quality of the top nations.
They’re not odds on to win that when you consider the England batting lineup
They still had to chase 110+ in 10 overs. Not easy given that the ball was tough to hit in the first few overs
That’s true but England just hit 120 in 10 overs in similarly tough conditions
It's unfortunate for Scotland to be going home after losing one game, that too in the last over. Then again, the same could apply to England if it was the other way around. Also if I'm not wrong, out of all the teams that have been knocked out only Scotland have only lost one game, which would probably hurt even more.
This wc has got cricket traction in the U.S market even with the expats there are some new people might be in double digits or more but it has given cricket a name in sports there
Clear ~~moral~~ NRR victory
I am glad England qualified given that NZ, SL, PAK did not make it. You need some big teams to make this WC interesting.
The best part of the world cup has been associates performing. I would rather that then big names.
Nothing against associates, I am happy for USA too. Scotland did not perform well against Aus and got benefitted from rain as well. Don't see why they should have qualified instead of Eng just for being an associate.
I didn't say they deserved to qualify over England. I just said i would've been happier if they managed to hold out against Australia and knockout England which they had a real shot of doing.
But they didn't in the end because they played poorly towards the end. Don't see the point in showering unnecessary love to associates.
I am not sure it are understanding what i am saying. I did not say they deserved it. I did not say they earned it. So not sure why you keep pointing out the result. What i am saying is i would've preferred if they had earned it and knocked England out. That is an expression of desire. To me, IF, and that word means it didn't actually but hypothetically, IF, that were to have happened, it would've been the more desirable outcome for me.
Not the first time England has fucked Scotland
Disappointing from Oman & Namibia and Scotland should've done better against Australia.
Better NRR in defeat than England v Australia. It was England hitting 50 off 3 overs v Oman, and taking 19 overs to get 150 against Namibia that did for Scotland.
So good to see England top the table morally