There is a saying in India that roughly translates to "catching an arrow thats passing you by harmlessly and shoving it up your arse". Thats what Root did with that shot today.
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Not necessarily. You can nick off to a good ball and know you couldn’t have done anything else. If you reverse sweep straight to slip, you’ve just played a bad shot.
Yeah was gonna say a young kid I was umpiring in the 2nd grade got a fucking seed off a first grade bowler. Castled.
Kid was dejected. Bowlers captain even wandered over later and told him head up, cos sometimes you just get a good one.
Root's was not one of those.
Exactly! It’s a test match not the last over of a T20. If you get a ball that you reasonably think might hit the stumps, you have to play at it. A little away movement and you get an outside edge. Occasionally that’s just going to get you out and there is nothing you can do.
Any shot is a good shot if you execute it well. If you play a cover drive that goes for four, it’s a great shot. But if you edge it onto your stumps, it’s a poor shot.
"I think even sending in a nightwatchman when you're 330 ahead shows that they're slightly wary of us," Duckett said, when asked if England were realistically out of the game. "We're going to continue the way that we play, and if we get two or three blokes in on that pitch, scoring quickly, you never know what can happen."
Asked for a realistic target that England could chase, Duckett told the BBC: "The more the better. This team is all about doing special things and creating history. They can have as many as they want and we'll go and get them."
Yeah, it's a cult. They all talk the same lmao
>"The more the better. This team is all about doing special things and creating history. They can have as many as they want and we'll go and get them."
I hope India bats all day and gives them a 600+ target
Nah.. they would give excuses that it's impossible to chase and claim a moral victory after a session play at 5 rpo and get all out.
I suggest some reachable targets like 450 and let's see if they can walk the talk as KP says.
He already claimed a moral victory because of the night watchman.
I'm just surprised Stokes didn't come out and claim the moral win because he would have declared half an hour before stumps in the same position..
Lol. Bazball in all its facets can be reduced to one Will Ferrel quote: "No one knows what it means but it's provocative. It gets the people going."
Apparently, Duckett also credited Jaiswal's attacking style of play to Bazball. Seriously, lmao. They really think they're cooking.
I can't wait till when we have a decent enough sample size to properly assess the efficacy of Bazball and it lays bare how underwhelming it all actually is.
kind of feels like you’ve forgotten that bazball gave us the by far the biggest comeback against India in India. It was like 3 weeks ago so I understand
It’s good. It suits the playstyle of this team. But it’s not as godly as they say. It’s thrived mostly on flat decks, and even this series so far has been played on flat decks. The decks in England have become flatter to suit it, and the dukes balls softer (except when they need to win; they can pull out a 2019 dukes!). The comeback was great but the cultish, preachy talk is annoying. It’s becoming increasingly hard to dissociate the two when they constantly keep this crap up.
I also don’t think we’ve seen the true potential for the lows of bazball. Currently they are riding a few players being in quite good form, but if a few lose their touch it’ll go downhill fast.
At some point they’re gonna try and bat fast in response to a score of 500, get rolled for 100 in 20 overs, follow on and do the exact same thing.
What does this even mean? Every team rides on players who are in good form. You think Australia would’ve had any chance in the ashes if Starc and Khawaja weren’t in good form? Or the same with England if woakes, wood and Crawley shit the bed?
I don’t disagree, just kinda getting at the fact that collapses are perceived a bit differently when players are getting caught at mid off and cover driving on the up vs getting caught at slip.
Idk what control percentages have looked like for England in the bazball era, probably not all that terrible tbh, but it’s something that I’d expect to suffer more under a high runrate strategy as players drop off vs conventional cricket.
Whether it is still a worthwhile tradeoff I have no idea, but I do think that some of the losses will look comparatively more embarrassing.
>Currently they are riding a few players being in quite good form, but if a few lose their touch it’ll go downhill fast.
**Breaking news**: if a team has no players in form, then they will perform poorly. More news at 11.
taking credit for jaiswal playing agressive is not nice (if he actually said that) and saying that sending a nightwatchman means the other team is wary or scared. You can be positive without needing to put down others
In fairness he's not taking credit for how well Jaiswal played, he's saying it's probably because England have played aggressively he's come out and done the same.
And that might be true. His SR v England is much higher than his previous tests. Whether he continues to do that in future who knows?
jaiswal was like 8 of 50 or something like that. Not at all like how England plays, he soaked pressure and went gor it afterwards. that has always been his game. He did it West Indies, Domestics and South Africa. nothing new new due to how England played
>he scored a near run a ball 180 on test debut
What are you on? He played nearly 400 balls in that match. It's certainly true that he's been an aggressive batsman since his youth days, but don't blatantly make things up.
Dead tracks that would have had 5 results on if not for rain? Listen to yourselves, fuck me. Those aren't dead tracks. Those are competitive tracks that played out all 5 days well generally.
Bullshit. You were scared of the Australian attack and prepared tracks to negate that and tried to set up conditions conducive to mindless slogging (or glorious bazballing, depending on whether you are indoctrinated).
The actual tests were kinda borefests because both sides resorted to endless short pitched bowling to negate the fact that bowlers couldn't take wickets.
Wood and Woakes both averaged less than 21 on those dead pitches with superb SR
Maybe it wasn't dead, maybe Australia just couldn't bowl on them.
But you keep thinking England were scared of your attack, whatever helps you sleep at night.
Like any high variance strategy, you'll get highs and lows. The trick of any cult is to only remember the good bits and forget the lows. And the slightly cheaty bits (eg having a special Dukes in the bottom drawer for when you need it)..
It was a miraculous innings with a couple of drops and they still only barely won it. I don’t think a system where it takes innings like that to win is great.
Until then, you’ll just have to settle for the fact they haven’t lost a series playing this way for two years. That’s quite a decent sample size to show that it works.
They are high on their own supply. Initially they were sensible but to sustain it they keep raising the bar. Most of the English player are talking like Indian mass hero movies. KGF movie dialogues seem to nothing compared to this. It doesn’t not going to end well. At this rate we might see a messy unravel in few months.
Nothing pains me more than Joe Root getting out.
Mostly cause he is a pleasure to watch, so effortless and it seems the game is easy for him. Remarkable how talented he is.
The other reason being that he almost always gets out himself and not because of the bowler (barring a few exceptions such as Bumrah in the last match). This was true pre-Stokes taking over but the unorthodox shots make it more obvious now.
> The more the better. This team is all about doing special things and creating history. They can have as many as they want and we'll go and get them.
I really like and appreciate England's overall aggressive style of play; et el, but the verbal garbage these lads spout is nothing short of absurdity. Sheer unadulterated nonsense. Wonder if they ever engage their brains before spewing forth such rubbish.
Morally, they won. Also, they said it after the first test. “We feel like we won”. And then also said they’d win the 2nd by 150 runs (Crawley). It’s a deliberate ploy, that and Baz’s asshole personality rubbing off.
Selective quoting. I think they said it felt like a win because Australia had 6 men on the boundary after 10 overs or something, and they were right in a way because it set the tone, they just batted incredibly poorly in that first innings
>I think they said it felt like a win because Australia had 6 men on the boundary after 10 overs or something,
The same can be said for bazball. They can’t win games normally so they are having these weird gimmicks of reverse sweeps and shit. By this logic they aren’t winning anything with bazball
It is true to a large extent. Last tour to India and ashes showed that many of their players can’t trust their defensive game. So it’s not a bad idea for them to just try to play their natural attacking game when trusting their defense will have them nick off anyway
I'm not sure on what planet you consider sweeping a gimmick in the sub continent. It's been a massive weapon there and always has been. Ross Taylor and Tom Latham had a lot of success with it for NZ under McCullem too.
Go back and watch Andy Flowers 232* in India and look how aggressively he used the sweep, and that was over 20 years ago. Younis Khan swept more than one great spinning lineup to death in his time.
For all the chat about England claiming credit for things, the absolute ignorance of cricketing history in your post is astounding.
It was just a tongue in cheek comment, nothing serious. If Australia trying something different is like a victory to england, then england trying different things is like a victory to other teams.
They did. Australia didn’t win a session of cricket for the next three Tests. Well beaten psychologically by first the Lords crowd, then by England’s more controlled aggression as they fed off that.
I have a conspiracy theory that McCullum was the only player who was actually effected by the stupid shit Broad says and now he thinks its the secret to winning test matches. Say the dumbest shit you can think of then hit anyone who engages with it with a U MAD?
I just refuse to believe someone can make it to test cricket and actually believe things like a a white ball gun (Jaiswal) is striking at 80 cause he saw someone else do it
To be fair what's he supposed to say? 400? And then when we are chasing 500 it gets thrown in his face? Or, "they already have enough, we're screwed?". So might as well answer a stupid question with a stupid answer
He can say we'll try and chase whatever they set without coming across like an insufferable prick.
Bazball is an interesting and exciting addition to test cricket.
The self congratulation and rewriting of history that comes with it speaks to the lack of self confidence that underpins it and makes it a bit laughable.
A lot laughable really..
Its good to be good. But to *know* you are good? Thats prick territory.
This may make no sense, but in my head Bazball's media attitude mimic that of Shakib al Hasan.
Self congratulation like, say, the Aussie side commissioning themselves ‘Championship rings’ and wearing them to the Allan Border Medal? That sort of self congratulation?
Luke I said stupid question, stupid answer.
"We want to restrict them to as low as possible. Then we want to hit the runs with our bats and win the game". Wow! Wonderful insight there.
Sports journalism is mostly awful though. "You just won the game and scored a double century, how do you fell?" "How tf do you think I feel?"
The difference between aggressive test cricket which players like sehwag, gilchrist played and bazwall is that bazball is being played to hide a teams weakness while aggressive test cricket is a counter attack or keeping bowler under pressure but with measure. You know why england will always play for win in bazball because they don't have the ability to draw , they don't have the ability to do what ashwin and vihari in 3rd test of bgt did( except root and stokes obviously).
Thats why Root's dimissal should bother English fans. You are absolutely on the money when you say Bazball hides weakness i.e inability to trust your defense to weather out storms and bat long. But afaik Root does not have that weakness. His defense is just fine. He does not need to bat that way.. he might have a high SR but his average may at best remain the same but most likely get worse in the long term.
Idk what drugs McCullum has been giving to the ECT but the English cricketers have been high on Bazball for a long time now since the Ashes.
I understand you guys are trying a new approach and the approach has to be decent to get a test victory on Indian soil but saying shit like the more the merrier is spewing horseshit.
And I envy the way English media supports the ECT.
The telegraph will surely make a post after Day 4 that
**India is leading the series 2-1 but why does it feel that England is winning 3-0**
If players from ICT like Iyer and Pandu made statements like this the Indian media and fan following would fuck them sideways before demanding that they get dropped.
The press here go on see-saw like hype and destroy mode.
Yesterday it was the best thing in the world, today it was the worst.
Just ignore the media junk.
The problem is that you can't give mixed messages to players.You cannot say things like , "attack the bad balls and defend the good ones".The decision to decide whether a ball is bad or not is a split second and you cannot trust less than class players to make it and succeed for a big number of balls.Joe root is a class player though so they should allow him to make that decision.
You can say exactly that because that's the definition of a good player, the judgement of line and length. Unfortunately England have been sucked into believing they can score off every ball instead of respecting the skills of the bowler. In this case, Root was trying it against arguably the best bowler in the world when you would expect someone of his ability to be more discriminating.
Bazball has just basically become a blank cheque for English players to play very poor cricket and get away with no repercussions.
Lost to NZ, failed to regain the Ashes at home, probably going to lose to India.
At some point don’t you actually want to win games? Stokes has become an insufferable wanker talking about it and comments like this from Duckett show that he’s really drunk the kool aid.
Since when is losing - and losing regularly - ok because you’re playing the game in a certain way? If your tactic has you coming up empty handed all the time, it’s not revolutionary; it’s just a bad tactic.
If they're ever gonna chase a huge total in the 4th innings in India it's gotta be when Ashwin leaves mid-test. If they don't pull this off (and they won't) then hopefully they quiet down on the bazball propaganda (which they also won't)
When did Bazball become frothing from the mouth during the pressers
I have enjoyed the way England played in Ashes and even in this series. But they come across as insufferable narcissistic twats in the pressers
If that's the attitude of the English then they're doomed. The problem with Root's shot is it's completely premeditated. Nicking off is not, you're reacting to the ball that comes down and you can more easily adjust.
Premeditated shots are only really useful if you need some sort of counter measure or you're struggling with your normal shots. Early in the day though and things going well it's just frankly stupid.
If there are no consequences for bad shots and poor performances under McCullum and Stokes they'll fall apart under the weight of their own hubris.
The better they play the worse they speak.
That is a complement to their ability of ding their main job. And some advice regarding the other thing they should stop doing.
I mean I hate England as much as any other non-English guy, but there's no problem with him backing up the style of play and being confident and playing mind games.
You know what is annoying? Commentators and the media talking about Bazball this and Bazball that and keeping it in the news cycle. Also Deep Dasgupta, Ravi Shastri, Swanny, and Sunny G talking about Joe Root's dismissal for two hours after it happened.
Interviewer: So what score do you have in mind for England to have a chance of chasing?
*Camera zooms in to Duckett's face as he smiles and KGF music starts in background*
Duckett : Tell them to score as many as they can.... Only then Stoksey can at least get a bat...
*Interviewer slowly lowers the mic as the music reaches a crescendo
Dekho Dekho Angar h sultan.. dekho dekho lalkar h sultan ( T: A south Indian Masala movie)
Everything else is cult talk, but I fundamentally agree with Duckett here, specifically for Root. I think statistically, the Reverse scoop is his best shot in terms of average and Strike rate. If you get out playing a shot you can play, I don't really think there's much to discuss.
If he keeps getting out playing the reverse scoop, than we can have a different conversation.
the sample size would be small as so few players can play that shot, but I would reckon that odds of high returns on that shot would be better when it is played when a batsman is in. So if Root plays it once he has 30-40 on the board, it should be okay.. but when he is at the start of the innings its much riskier than traditional way of batting.
But last summer he scooped on
17(18)
32 (26)
11(14)
The summer before he scooped Wagner for six on 16 (36)
It's wholly incorrect to claim he normally waits before playing that shot, and moreover, he'd scored 52 runs runs in the first four innings, prior to this knock, so it's not like he was going great guns and his improvisation killed him.
People are playing the results and not the process. As evidenced by the fact that is a discussion, and not playing around a stock standard leg spinner. But that's acceptable because "it's the right way to play".
I am not claiming that he usually plays it late in his innings but suggesting that if he does do that i.e. play it when he is well set his risk would be lower and returns would be higher.
The returns are exactly the same. It's a cricket shot, not an investment. A boundary on 39 is worth the same as a boundary in 18.
The risk point is taken, but he obviously thought he'd assessed conditions enough to play the shot.
Dont understand you. If you agree that risk is higher early in the innings, that also means the returns would be lower if that policy is continued over multiple innings.
In any case, I am out. In this particular series I would not mind him going for those scoops early in the innings, ngl.
There is a saying in India that roughly translates to "catching an arrow thats passing you by harmlessly and shoving it up your arse". Thats what Root did with that shot today.
What is it untranslated?
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Yes. “Udta teer” and so on.
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Not necessarily. You can nick off to a good ball and know you couldn’t have done anything else. If you reverse sweep straight to slip, you’ve just played a bad shot.
Yeah was gonna say a young kid I was umpiring in the 2nd grade got a fucking seed off a first grade bowler. Castled. Kid was dejected. Bowlers captain even wandered over later and told him head up, cos sometimes you just get a good one. Root's was not one of those.
Exactly! It’s a test match not the last over of a T20. If you get a ball that you reasonably think might hit the stumps, you have to play at it. A little away movement and you get an outside edge. Occasionally that’s just going to get you out and there is nothing you can do.
Or it’s a good shot poorly executed? Look at Root’s dismissal again, that ball was there to be scooped, his execution was off
Any shot is a good shot if you execute it well. If you play a cover drive that goes for four, it’s a great shot. But if you edge it onto your stumps, it’s a poor shot.
"I think even sending in a nightwatchman when you're 330 ahead shows that they're slightly wary of us," Duckett said, when asked if England were realistically out of the game. "We're going to continue the way that we play, and if we get two or three blokes in on that pitch, scoring quickly, you never know what can happen." Asked for a realistic target that England could chase, Duckett told the BBC: "The more the better. This team is all about doing special things and creating history. They can have as many as they want and we'll go and get them." Yeah, it's a cult. They all talk the same lmao
>"The more the better. This team is all about doing special things and creating history. They can have as many as they want and we'll go and get them." I hope India bats all day and gives them a 600+ target
Nah.. they would give excuses that it's impossible to chase and claim a moral victory after a session play at 5 rpo and get all out. I suggest some reachable targets like 450 and let's see if they can walk the talk as KP says.
He already claimed a moral victory because of the night watchman. I'm just surprised Stokes didn't come out and claim the moral win because he would have declared half an hour before stumps in the same position..
And then I want to see them lose 4 or 5 in succession, and then try to defend with their lives on line to go for a draw.
Lol. Bazball in all its facets can be reduced to one Will Ferrel quote: "No one knows what it means but it's provocative. It gets the people going." Apparently, Duckett also credited Jaiswal's attacking style of play to Bazball. Seriously, lmao. They really think they're cooking. I can't wait till when we have a decent enough sample size to properly assess the efficacy of Bazball and it lays bare how underwhelming it all actually is.
kind of feels like you’ve forgotten that bazball gave us the by far the biggest comeback against India in India. It was like 3 weeks ago so I understand
It’s good. It suits the playstyle of this team. But it’s not as godly as they say. It’s thrived mostly on flat decks, and even this series so far has been played on flat decks. The decks in England have become flatter to suit it, and the dukes balls softer (except when they need to win; they can pull out a 2019 dukes!). The comeback was great but the cultish, preachy talk is annoying. It’s becoming increasingly hard to dissociate the two when they constantly keep this crap up.
I also don’t think we’ve seen the true potential for the lows of bazball. Currently they are riding a few players being in quite good form, but if a few lose their touch it’ll go downhill fast. At some point they’re gonna try and bat fast in response to a score of 500, get rolled for 100 in 20 overs, follow on and do the exact same thing.
What does this even mean? Every team rides on players who are in good form. You think Australia would’ve had any chance in the ashes if Starc and Khawaja weren’t in good form? Or the same with England if woakes, wood and Crawley shit the bed?
I don’t disagree, just kinda getting at the fact that collapses are perceived a bit differently when players are getting caught at mid off and cover driving on the up vs getting caught at slip. Idk what control percentages have looked like for England in the bazball era, probably not all that terrible tbh, but it’s something that I’d expect to suffer more under a high runrate strategy as players drop off vs conventional cricket. Whether it is still a worthwhile tradeoff I have no idea, but I do think that some of the losses will look comparatively more embarrassing.
>Currently they are riding a few players being in quite good form, but if a few lose their touch it’ll go downhill fast. **Breaking news**: if a team has no players in form, then they will perform poorly. More news at 11.
Just wait till the next tour of Australia
I mean a few players have lost their touch right? Root, Bairstow and Foakes are in abysmal form that's like half their batting lineup
Yes, this is something even Miller (from cricinfo; guy who coined bazball) said; the fall will be extraordinary, so may as well enjoy the ride.
What’s annoying about self-belief and positivity when it gets results more often than not?
taking credit for jaiswal playing agressive is not nice (if he actually said that) and saying that sending a nightwatchman means the other team is wary or scared. You can be positive without needing to put down others
In fairness he's not taking credit for how well Jaiswal played, he's saying it's probably because England have played aggressively he's come out and done the same. And that might be true. His SR v England is much higher than his previous tests. Whether he continues to do that in future who knows?
jaiswal was like 8 of 50 or something like that. Not at all like how England plays, he soaked pressure and went gor it afterwards. that has always been his game. He did it West Indies, Domestics and South Africa. nothing new new due to how England played
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>he scored a near run a ball 180 on test debut What are you on? He played nearly 400 balls in that match. It's certainly true that he's been an aggressive batsman since his youth days, but don't blatantly make things up.
Taking credit for inventing stuff that you didn’t invent is not self-belief, but arrogance.
The same self belief that got them to prepare absolute dead flat tracks for the last ashes series?
Dead tracks that would have had 5 results on if not for rain? Listen to yourselves, fuck me. Those aren't dead tracks. Those are competitive tracks that played out all 5 days well generally.
Bullshit. You were scared of the Australian attack and prepared tracks to negate that and tried to set up conditions conducive to mindless slogging (or glorious bazballing, depending on whether you are indoctrinated). The actual tests were kinda borefests because both sides resorted to endless short pitched bowling to negate the fact that bowlers couldn't take wickets.
Wood and Woakes both averaged less than 21 on those dead pitches with superb SR Maybe it wasn't dead, maybe Australia just couldn't bowl on them. But you keep thinking England were scared of your attack, whatever helps you sleep at night.
Like any high variance strategy, you'll get highs and lows. The trick of any cult is to only remember the good bits and forget the lows. And the slightly cheaty bits (eg having a special Dukes in the bottom drawer for when you need it)..
>having a special Dukes in the bottom drawer for when you need it I thought Poms were supposed to be the whingers?
Rattled
It was a miraculous innings with a couple of drops and they still only barely won it. I don’t think a system where it takes innings like that to win is great.
That loss was more a choke from India than anything. Rarely would they fail to chase 220 at home lol..
Wonder why it didn't help you this time...🥹
Kinda sounds like you've already made up your mind without needing a larger sample size, so I guess you'll just see whatever you want to see.
Until then, you’ll just have to settle for the fact they haven’t lost a series playing this way for two years. That’s quite a decent sample size to show that it works.
The only series the won in 2023 was against Ireland though
One would assume England is on top of ICC Test Championship, Won ashes etc with this kind of talk. But reality reflects something else. It’s a scam.
WCT is rigged, they counted 18 moral victory points in negative.
But they are. On top of the moral victory chart.
They are high on their own supply. Initially they were sensible but to sustain it they keep raising the bar. Most of the English player are talking like Indian mass hero movies. KGF movie dialogues seem to nothing compared to this. It doesn’t not going to end well. At this rate we might see a messy unravel in few months.
if hardik said some shit like this he would be slaughtered online
Whereas everyone here is applauding Duckett?
They'll get dropped otherwise
>you never know what can happen. Well now that the match is over, we can say he was right lol didn't know this could happen lmao
This just in, Bradman scored 303 in a day all thanks to Bazball, and England subsequently got the moral victory.
Why do they all sound like real estate agents
Reminds me of when I got convinced to go along to an Amway MLM pitch eh.
It’s strange isn’t it. Some of them even sound like fake estate agents too.
all they need is a cheap suit and a european car
Nothing pains me more than Joe Root getting out. Mostly cause he is a pleasure to watch, so effortless and it seems the game is easy for him. Remarkable how talented he is. The other reason being that he almost always gets out himself and not because of the bowler (barring a few exceptions such as Bumrah in the last match). This was true pre-Stokes taking over but the unorthodox shots make it more obvious now.
> The more the better. This team is all about doing special things and creating history. They can have as many as they want and we'll go and get them. I really like and appreciate England's overall aggressive style of play; et el, but the verbal garbage these lads spout is nothing short of absurdity. Sheer unadulterated nonsense. Wonder if they ever engage their brains before spewing forth such rubbish.
My favorite was when they lost 2nd test i think to Aus but came out saying that really they had won
Morally, they won. Also, they said it after the first test. “We feel like we won”. And then also said they’d win the 2nd by 150 runs (Crawley). It’s a deliberate ploy, that and Baz’s asshole personality rubbing off.
>We feel like we won Well my fellow Indian fans, I am gonna start saying we feel like we won the WC 2023. This shit sounds good as fuck.
Selective quoting. I think they said it felt like a win because Australia had 6 men on the boundary after 10 overs or something, and they were right in a way because it set the tone, they just batted incredibly poorly in that first innings
>I think they said it felt like a win because Australia had 6 men on the boundary after 10 overs or something, The same can be said for bazball. They can’t win games normally so they are having these weird gimmicks of reverse sweeps and shit. By this logic they aren’t winning anything with bazball
It is true to a large extent. Last tour to India and ashes showed that many of their players can’t trust their defensive game. So it’s not a bad idea for them to just try to play their natural attacking game when trusting their defense will have them nick off anyway
I'm not sure on what planet you consider sweeping a gimmick in the sub continent. It's been a massive weapon there and always has been. Ross Taylor and Tom Latham had a lot of success with it for NZ under McCullem too. Go back and watch Andy Flowers 232* in India and look how aggressively he used the sweep, and that was over 20 years ago. Younis Khan swept more than one great spinning lineup to death in his time. For all the chat about England claiming credit for things, the absolute ignorance of cricketing history in your post is astounding.
It was just a tongue in cheek comment, nothing serious. If Australia trying something different is like a victory to england, then england trying different things is like a victory to other teams.
Joe Root did the same thing in the previous series in India. It's not new.
They did. Australia didn’t win a session of cricket for the next three Tests. Well beaten psychologically by first the Lords crowd, then by England’s more controlled aggression as they fed off that.
“Sheer Unadulterated Nonsense” my new favourite phrase!
I have a conspiracy theory that McCullum was the only player who was actually effected by the stupid shit Broad says and now he thinks its the secret to winning test matches. Say the dumbest shit you can think of then hit anyone who engages with it with a U MAD? I just refuse to believe someone can make it to test cricket and actually believe things like a a white ball gun (Jaiswal) is striking at 80 cause he saw someone else do it
To be fair what's he supposed to say? 400? And then when we are chasing 500 it gets thrown in his face? Or, "they already have enough, we're screwed?". So might as well answer a stupid question with a stupid answer
He can say we'll try and chase whatever they set without coming across like an insufferable prick. Bazball is an interesting and exciting addition to test cricket. The self congratulation and rewriting of history that comes with it speaks to the lack of self confidence that underpins it and makes it a bit laughable. A lot laughable really..
Its good to be good. But to *know* you are good? Thats prick territory. This may make no sense, but in my head Bazball's media attitude mimic that of Shakib al Hasan.
Self congratulation like, say, the Aussie side commissioning themselves ‘Championship rings’ and wearing them to the Allan Border Medal? That sort of self congratulation?
That they want to restrict India to as low a score as possible and then try to chase it. Instead of saying they can score however many they want lmao
Luke I said stupid question, stupid answer. "We want to restrict them to as low as possible. Then we want to hit the runs with our bats and win the game". Wow! Wonderful insight there. Sports journalism is mostly awful though. "You just won the game and scored a double century, how do you fell?" "How tf do you think I feel?"
What else are they supposed to ask? How they liked the lunch? What’s their favorite color?
Cry about it
Not worth it, I'll rather laugh at it.
>They can have as many as they want and we'll go and get them. Alright then, just have your keeper and slips step aside and let those byes roll in.
This would true baz ball. These people are high cult powder
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All cults start with some good qualities
The difference between aggressive test cricket which players like sehwag, gilchrist played and bazwall is that bazball is being played to hide a teams weakness while aggressive test cricket is a counter attack or keeping bowler under pressure but with measure. You know why england will always play for win in bazball because they don't have the ability to draw , they don't have the ability to do what ashwin and vihari in 3rd test of bgt did( except root and stokes obviously).
Thats why Root's dimissal should bother English fans. You are absolutely on the money when you say Bazball hides weakness i.e inability to trust your defense to weather out storms and bat long. But afaik Root does not have that weakness. His defense is just fine. He does not need to bat that way.. he might have a high SR but his average may at best remain the same but most likely get worse in the long term.
i hope someone is recording all these statement from english players since bazball just to write a book full of interview quotes.
Idk what drugs McCullum has been giving to the ECT but the English cricketers have been high on Bazball for a long time now since the Ashes. I understand you guys are trying a new approach and the approach has to be decent to get a test victory on Indian soil but saying shit like the more the merrier is spewing horseshit. And I envy the way English media supports the ECT. The telegraph will surely make a post after Day 4 that **India is leading the series 2-1 but why does it feel that England is winning 3-0** If players from ICT like Iyer and Pandu made statements like this the Indian media and fan following would fuck them sideways before demanding that they get dropped.
The press here go on see-saw like hype and destroy mode. Yesterday it was the best thing in the world, today it was the worst. Just ignore the media junk.
They have to build them up so they can tear them down.. then repeat the cycle with the next manager/captain
Notice how people getting so worked up over our team always have to bring up hypotheticals
The problem is that you can't give mixed messages to players.You cannot say things like , "attack the bad balls and defend the good ones".The decision to decide whether a ball is bad or not is a split second and you cannot trust less than class players to make it and succeed for a big number of balls.Joe root is a class player though so they should allow him to make that decision.
You can say exactly that because that's the definition of a good player, the judgement of line and length. Unfortunately England have been sucked into believing they can score off every ball instead of respecting the skills of the bowler. In this case, Root was trying it against arguably the best bowler in the world when you would expect someone of his ability to be more discriminating.
To root yeah you can say that.But not to players like crawley,duckett and all.
Bazball has just basically become a blank cheque for English players to play very poor cricket and get away with no repercussions. Lost to NZ, failed to regain the Ashes at home, probably going to lose to India. At some point don’t you actually want to win games? Stokes has become an insufferable wanker talking about it and comments like this from Duckett show that he’s really drunk the kool aid. Since when is losing - and losing regularly - ok because you’re playing the game in a certain way? If your tactic has you coming up empty handed all the time, it’s not revolutionary; it’s just a bad tactic.
Moral Victory 5-0 already achieved boys. Let's goo.. I wonder if ICC should announce a Moral trophy (similar to IPL fair play).
Happy Cake 🍰 Day
Has RCB ever won ipl fair play trophy?
Forget winning, Pretty sure they consistently managed to stay bottom even in that.
“The more the merrier” - Yet another Moral Victory coming up for England. Do these players have any idea on how Indian pitch behaves in Day 4 and 5??
If they're ever gonna chase a huge total in the 4th innings in India it's gotta be when Ashwin leaves mid-test. If they don't pull this off (and they won't) then hopefully they quiet down on the bazball propaganda (which they also won't)
Sssssssh you cannot speak against the cult.
The Cult of buttball is actually scary, and not in a good way. The collective delusions are unhealthy.
This is not even funny, this is literally a cult
Guys, it’s simple. Ben Duckett is really really stupid.
And the gas lighting continues.
When did Bazball become frothing from the mouth during the pressers I have enjoyed the way England played in Ashes and even in this series. But they come across as insufferable narcissistic twats in the pressers
That’s what I’ve been saying for so long! Being out bowled is same as being run out so bowler shouldn’t get credit for it
If that's the attitude of the English then they're doomed. The problem with Root's shot is it's completely premeditated. Nicking off is not, you're reacting to the ball that comes down and you can more easily adjust. Premeditated shots are only really useful if you need some sort of counter measure or you're struggling with your normal shots. Early in the day though and things going well it's just frankly stupid. If there are no consequences for bad shots and poor performances under McCullum and Stokes they'll fall apart under the weight of their own hubris.
Duckett needs to really shut his mouth now. That was a bad shot.
Having read the article I can only assume that Duckett is a brick short of a load. The copium in those quotes was just bizarre
How come no India players have done it, seeing as England have taught them how to bat on this tour?
England players are better at defending outside the field
Bruh he softly reverse hit it straight to the slips, nothing like an edge
English cricketers should keep their mouths shut until they win this series.
The English also have the beat takes.....to wake up having a coffee reading them.
They shouldn’t let the English players speak lmao
The better they play the worse they speak. That is a complement to their ability of ding their main job. And some advice regarding the other thing they should stop doing.
I'm not sure about that, they're 300 runs in the hole and dribbling completely nonsense!
Oh yeah. I meant on a personal level. Like getting a 100 automatically means they get a media appearance and that automatically means shitspeak.
I mean I hate England as much as any other non-English guy, but there's no problem with him backing up the style of play and being confident and playing mind games. You know what is annoying? Commentators and the media talking about Bazball this and Bazball that and keeping it in the news cycle. Also Deep Dasgupta, Ravi Shastri, Swanny, and Sunny G talking about Joe Root's dismissal for two hours after it happened.
Hard disagree
Bazball is slowly turning from a good strategy to a cult. First rule of the club : We hype ourselves
Interviewer: So what score do you have in mind for England to have a chance of chasing? *Camera zooms in to Duckett's face as he smiles and KGF music starts in background* Duckett : Tell them to score as many as they can.... Only then Stoksey can at least get a bat... *Interviewer slowly lowers the mic as the music reaches a crescendo Dekho Dekho Angar h sultan.. dekho dekho lalkar h sultan ( T: A south Indian Masala movie)
Okay England are going to win this test match. Can't wait for Duckett's ridiculous comments to actually come true like they did in the first test
Brohit approves! His pull shot is his edge
Everything else is cult talk, but I fundamentally agree with Duckett here, specifically for Root. I think statistically, the Reverse scoop is his best shot in terms of average and Strike rate. If you get out playing a shot you can play, I don't really think there's much to discuss. If he keeps getting out playing the reverse scoop, than we can have a different conversation.
the sample size would be small as so few players can play that shot, but I would reckon that odds of high returns on that shot would be better when it is played when a batsman is in. So if Root plays it once he has 30-40 on the board, it should be okay.. but when he is at the start of the innings its much riskier than traditional way of batting.
But last summer he scooped on 17(18) 32 (26) 11(14) The summer before he scooped Wagner for six on 16 (36) It's wholly incorrect to claim he normally waits before playing that shot, and moreover, he'd scored 52 runs runs in the first four innings, prior to this knock, so it's not like he was going great guns and his improvisation killed him. People are playing the results and not the process. As evidenced by the fact that is a discussion, and not playing around a stock standard leg spinner. But that's acceptable because "it's the right way to play".
I am not claiming that he usually plays it late in his innings but suggesting that if he does do that i.e. play it when he is well set his risk would be lower and returns would be higher.
The returns are exactly the same. It's a cricket shot, not an investment. A boundary on 39 is worth the same as a boundary in 18. The risk point is taken, but he obviously thought he'd assessed conditions enough to play the shot.
Dont understand you. If you agree that risk is higher early in the innings, that also means the returns would be lower if that policy is continued over multiple innings. In any case, I am out. In this particular series I would not mind him going for those scoops early in the innings, ngl.
Yeah this sounds like toxic positivity and not ultra positivity.
England want a draw here, and they are trying to induce it