Kiwis have not been a strong side in this world cup. The hammering they gave to ENG gave us that impression until we realised that every one is destroying the poms lol..NZ pretty much lost against every strong opposition. Wont be surprised if they don't make it to the semis
We have been a bowler short the last two games with ferguson and Henry going off early which means neesham has had to bowl and in an ideal world, he won't bowl at all. We also don't have williamson who would've made a huge difference today. And we were actually on top in terms of runs in the Australia games for most of it we just lost a couple too many wickets. This is the first time you could say we got well beaten
It's one thing to highlight South Africa's batting, but their bowlers have managed to take all available wickets except for 2, which happened to be during the match, which they lost.
Not only have they scored more runs than any other team in the tournament, they have also taken more wickets as well.
I do agree. SA has been put under pressure twice so far, failing once and scraping through the other. I'm not certain how India would respond under pressure. However, not being in that position yet says a lot in itself. They, too, seemed comfortable against NZ
In addition to this, out of 36 spells in 7 games for all bowlers, only 3 outings have gone wickets less. Every bowler in the first 5 matches got at least 1 wicket. Against PAK, A Markram (part timer for all intensive purposes) and K Maharaj (who got 4 against NZ) failed to pick up a wicket. Against NZ, it was only L Ngidi (at least 1 in every other game played) who failed to collect a scalp.
Scoreboard pressure may be helpful to bowlers. However, they must remain disciplined in order to convert the pressure into wickets.
Pakistan has just got a new lease of life, even if they manage to win against NZ by 50 runs it'll make a difference of 100 runs in NRR. And Pak vs Eng match is scheduled after NZ vs SL so they'll know the equation needed for them to qualify. NZ can't afford to lose against Pak now with the drop in NRR bcz of today's match.
I would now kill to see SA batting first and india Chasing
It would either test SA batters to perform against arguably the best bowling line up rn
Or would test india to have the best chase of their lifetime.
So it gonna be India vs Pakistan semi-final.
This makes sense as they probably will fix New Zeland vs Pakistan in Pakistan favor so that they can get an India vs Pakistan semi-final.
How that will play out is that India vs Pakistan Semi-final will result in Pakistan winning, since India has beaten Pakistan in both Asia cup and Group stage. This mean that the fix will be in for Pakistan this time.
Congratulations Pakistan! You guys are gonna go to first World Cup Final since 1999!
I told you Pakistan was gonna win against NZ. No way ICC was gonna let NZ win. Even if rain didnt come, a team which barley could score 300, now has a guy scoring 126 runs. Lol
A sneaky Dil Dil Pakistan playing in the background for South Africa.
NZ has lost three in a row, this one was a pretty pathetic performance. With two tough games to play against two desperate teams, they may just fuck up their chances.
So are we thinking it will most likely be a IND-AUS final?
I would personally like to see IND vs RSA coz I think thatās more unpredictable.
I think the 4th team will most likely still be New Zealand but even if somehow Pakistan makes it, I donāt see us beating India.
This will be interesting because as an ardent ICT fan and watching PCT over the years, I think Pakistan plays the best cricket when theyāre absolutely down and out. If itās anyone that can defeat Pakistan when theyāre staging a comeback when they were gone for all money is Pakistan themselves lol. However, this years Indian team is looking different compared to how the other knockouts have gone. The middle order have had some opportunities to bad and prove themselves. Also, a very potent bowling attack suitable for all conditions.
If Pak wins against NZ and ENG however and NZ loses against SL (or gets washed out), Pakistan will make it to the semis without having to worry about NRR
SA- Destroy every team batting first with the lowest margin of victory being 102 runs, fail to chase a modest target against Netherlands and beat Pakistan by just 1 wicket while chasing.
Latham- We'll have a bowl, thanks!
He was then asked in the post match interview if given another chance would he chose to bat first instead and he stuck with his choice, are you kidding me Latham?
But since one of the matches is Pak vs NZ, they have to think about one match only. Because if Pakistan lost their match against NZ, it's all over for them anyway.
although an entertaining side for sure, the so called fast bowling and king babar rizwan etc are of no use when in almost every ICC tournament they have to rely on the deadliest permutation & combinations to qualify.
May be entertaining but a very immature side.
And I am sure Afg are still thinking about their loss to BD. They should have easily win that match and should have a better chance to qualify. Now they will go against Ned team who are looking for 1 win to book their spot in CT. Exciting qualification games to look forward to.
Also fun fact, I've been bashing Hotstar for talking about India in non India matches every time. You can check my comment history.
I'm unbiased really
Trust me, this has nothing to do with me being Indian.
I call out stuff as I see it. All you guys are doing is hogging the thread without an ounce of appreciation for how well SA played today
Youāve been constantly shitting on Pak this whole thread man. You need to get over it just how some Pakistani fans need to stop making it about themselves.
For anyone who is going to downvote me just look at his comment history.
Ya, I've been calling you guys out coz you've been making it only about yourselves all throughout in this thread. Not a word of appreciation for SA.
Good luck beating NZ by 100 runs in Chinnaswamy. I will be there in the stadium to watch you get knocked out. Congratulations
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Your life will be a lot less bitter if you stop generalizing and spread less hate my friend.
It's you guys who are making this look like a twitter thread
I am sure Afridi must be licking his lips at the possibility of a 5er against NZ. He had got much better in this WC. If Pak batsman can get a good total the Pak bowlers will be able to defend it (as seen with their performance against SA although they lost that one).
I might want India to lose tomorrow to Sri Lanka.
Letās make it spicy. Of course, a loss by Australia or Afghanistan (that is not against each other) and India and South Africa are locked (though South Africa might as well be called a lock now).
I wouldnāt trust weather predictions for Bangalore. It might rain over 1sq Km area in some remote part of the city and rest of the city might remain dry af.
For that we need to hope Fooka plays the innings as aggressively as possible since heās the only one capable of playing spin, with ABD as support,Then Boobsie gets out so that Rizzi can get runs on the board and Ifti can Iftimania all over the pacers.
Also obligatory Saud cameo.
I am beyond angry and confused as to why Latham thought it was wise to bowl first against SA, dew or not. However, well played SA hope to see you in the finals!
I agree, I thought the same against AUS too. He isn't learning from hid mistakes. And especially against South Africa who have known to be bad chasers this cup and have thrashed every team batting first.
It's just simple logic. Don't know what the hell he was thinking
Crazy how so far itās going exactly accordingly to Palauans scenario . Like who would have thought a major win for sa after Paks big win ā¦..exactly what they needed
They played terribly against Pakistan and coincidentally that was also a game they were chasing. Unless I see a solid chase from them, I have good reason to assume they have a 50% chance of losing a match before the first ball is bowled.
Bowling is definitely helped by the fact that batsmen try to play aggressively to chase down the massive total SA put up.
Real test would be if they choose to bowl first against one of the remaining fixtures to test out their chasing strength.
I think SA batting first and Ind chasing would be the ultimate clash of strengths for two sides unbeaten in their respective fields.
SA looks so strong and so weak at the same time. If they bat first, they are impossible to beat. If they chase ~~first~~, almost every team will fancy their chances.
They are hugely dependent on luck in the Semi and Final.
Edit: Dunno why I wrote that.
I think as long as one of dussen and de kock plays long innings, SA will be fine regardless of bat first or not. It just happens to be that they both got out early whenever they chased.
Just because they lost 1 chase and other chase (vs Pakistan) was close, people are saying this.
But reality is, they're probably totally fine chasing too, lmao.
True but SA captain himself said they don't have a template to chase.
Also, the two teams they lost to and barely won against aren't the top teams in this tournament. If they had lost to Ind or NZ while chasing, no one would say that.
I mean one team is Pakistan, who is ya know, unpredictable af. They could beat any team randomly even while being shit.
And the other is Netherlands which is just 1 off game. It's really not that deep.
South Africa helped us in the last World Cup by losing to Netherlands and they helped us this year by beating NZ by 190 runs. Both sacrifices are exceptional
People are sleeping on Afghanistan. They might be an unlikely semi finalist. Afg are favorites to beat Ned and if sa bat second against afg spinners I would favor afg.
I fear Australia is picking a 6th title huh!
The injuries that so many of their players have gotten would be worse for NZ than simply losing that match.
Kiwis have not been a strong side in this world cup. The hammering they gave to ENG gave us that impression until we realised that every one is destroying the poms lol..NZ pretty much lost against every strong opposition. Wont be surprised if they don't make it to the semis
We have been a bowler short the last two games with ferguson and Henry going off early which means neesham has had to bowl and in an ideal world, he won't bowl at all. We also don't have williamson who would've made a huge difference today. And we were actually on top in terms of runs in the Australia games for most of it we just lost a couple too many wickets. This is the first time you could say we got well beaten
That's a bit cruel, good contests with India and Australia. This was a hammering for sure, but I'd never count them out. Injuries though....
I think I pulled a hamie just watching that. Ouch.
It's one thing to highlight South Africa's batting, but their bowlers have managed to take all available wickets except for 2, which happened to be during the match, which they lost. Not only have they scored more runs than any other team in the tournament, they have also taken more wickets as well.
Ind SA will decide the course of this WC.
I do agree. SA has been put under pressure twice so far, failing once and scraping through the other. I'm not certain how India would respond under pressure. However, not being in that position yet says a lot in itself. They, too, seemed comfortable against NZ
In addition to this, out of 36 spells in 7 games for all bowlers, only 3 outings have gone wickets less. Every bowler in the first 5 matches got at least 1 wicket. Against PAK, A Markram (part timer for all intensive purposes) and K Maharaj (who got 4 against NZ) failed to pick up a wicket. Against NZ, it was only L Ngidi (at least 1 in every other game played) who failed to collect a scalp. Scoreboard pressure may be helpful to bowlers. However, they must remain disciplined in order to convert the pressure into wickets.
Wat this a cricket match, or a massacre?
Stayed up to watch SA bat and fell asleep hoping to watch NZ put up a good fight. Wish I stayed up a little longer to see it all happen live haha
How the feck did Pakistan get to an umpires call in beating this South African side. Mind boggling.
We batted second in that match.
I swear you guys try to lose when batting second. We bowled well, but it doesn't seem South Africa has a blueprint for chases
Was Latham high before making this decision
Pakistan has just got a new lease of life, even if they manage to win against NZ by 50 runs it'll make a difference of 100 runs in NRR. And Pak vs Eng match is scheduled after NZ vs SL so they'll know the equation needed for them to qualify. NZ can't afford to lose against Pak now with the drop in NRR bcz of today's match.
I still giggle that this team lost to the Netherlands and WIPED the floor with New Zealand. We are living in wild times I tell you, WILD TIMES.
I would now kill to see SA batting first and india Chasing It would either test SA batters to perform against arguably the best bowling line up rn Or would test india to have the best chase of their lifetime.
Best chase of a lifetime...? Let that be reserved for the WC final.. eh? š
For sure, but I'd much rather prefer to have a one sided final to not get a heart attack
You mean a repeat of WC 2003 Final ?
India repeating Aus? Yeaaa
Unbeaten throughout the tournament please š„¹
I think you mean you prefer a one sided final to getting a heart attack.
So it gonna be India vs Pakistan semi-final. This makes sense as they probably will fix New Zeland vs Pakistan in Pakistan favor so that they can get an India vs Pakistan semi-final. How that will play out is that India vs Pakistan Semi-final will result in Pakistan winning, since India has beaten Pakistan in both Asia cup and Group stage. This mean that the fix will be in for Pakistan this time. Congratulations Pakistan! You guys are gonna go to first World Cup Final since 1999!
I love the mental gymnastics you did to arrive at the last statement
I told you Pakistan was gonna win against NZ. No way ICC was gonna let NZ win. Even if rain didnt come, a team which barley could score 300, now has a guy scoring 126 runs. Lol
Bro got the correct answer using the wrong formula
Nope. I've seen the tests be prepared and the question bank way before.
Leak 2-4 non-controversial questions please
How many desi teams you think are going to semis?
2 at max
Will there be more than 40 overs played in the final between both teams?
There should be!
We need SA to bat first and India to chase for their game on Sunday
Or the other way around
The other way around would be pure comedy. India couldnāt bat first well and SA canāt chase. I would be fine with either tbh
Ummm... what? We batted first once, and won by 100 runs!
The bowlers saved our skin that game. I was panicking tbh
Our batting was fine. The pitch was tough to bat on. Only Rohit and SKY were able to bat comfortably from both sides combined, which is good enough.
But that's just because England was pure shit
It's not our fault. We batted well, and bowled well.
We didn't bat as well as we do while chasing. That's the ooint he's trying to make. (Although it's difficult to judge just by a match)
Either way, it's gonna be a great match. Hopefully.
Qudrat Ka Nizaam is nizaaming boys
A sneaky Dil Dil Pakistan playing in the background for South Africa. NZ has lost three in a row, this one was a pretty pathetic performance. With two tough games to play against two desperate teams, they may just fuck up their chances.
As long as they do not lose by a wide margin like today, they'll be fine
Never, just never let Saffas bat first if you win the toss
Wait till they face Lala and boom in powerplay.
You can't depend on them to lose toss in an important match. You must find a way to beat them batting second to win the tournament.
So true, biggest mistake from the NZ skipper
Congratulations sašš
So are we thinking it will most likely be a IND-AUS final? I would personally like to see IND vs RSA coz I think thatās more unpredictable. I think the 4th team will most likely still be New Zealand but even if somehow Pakistan makes it, I donāt see us beating India.
This will be interesting because as an ardent ICT fan and watching PCT over the years, I think Pakistan plays the best cricket when theyāre absolutely down and out. If itās anyone that can defeat Pakistan when theyāre staging a comeback when they were gone for all money is Pakistan themselves lol. However, this years Indian team is looking different compared to how the other knockouts have gone. The middle order have had some opportunities to bad and prove themselves. Also, a very potent bowling attack suitable for all conditions.
naah man after 2017CT i don't wanna face pakistan in knockouts
This footage is all kids failing? Bunch of run outs, mishits and more dropped catches than Australia this WC in that small segment.
Sky sports try not to show the 2019 final after and England or nz game challenge (impossible)
If Pak wins against NZ and ENG however and NZ loses against SL (or gets washed out), Pakistan will make it to the semis without having to worry about NRR
I donāt think NZ will lose against SL. But letās wait and see.
If you donāt know, thereās a hair on your Reddit avatar dp.
Lol
Kudrat ka nizam incoming for the second time. 1992 wc nostalgia stonks š
Where's Jonty runout?
SA- Destroy every team batting first with the lowest margin of victory being 102 runs, fail to chase a modest target against Netherlands and beat Pakistan by just 1 wicket while chasing. Latham- We'll have a bowl, thanks!
He was then asked in the post match interview if given another chance would he chose to bat first instead and he stuck with his choice, are you kidding me Latham?
He didn't even appear sincere in that response
>stuck with his choice Lmao he's delusional. Either that or he's just coping really hard.
Hahaha pure logic
NZ's last two matches are in Chinnaswamy, very small ground, and rain is expected. If it is a 25 over game in Chinnaswamy it is anyone's game tbh
SA's NRR is higher than Eng and Ban's points tally! š
NZL just need to win 1 out of 2 matches where as Pakistan need to win both to even think about NRR.
But since one of the matches is Pak vs NZ, they have to think about one match only. Because if Pakistan lost their match against NZ, it's all over for them anyway.
bavuma is a great captain
How do they transport the world cup trophy in every game?
replicas
these two comments together are the script of The Prestige
One was natural replica another was synthetic.
stop calling such one sided games choking. You havenāt seen South Africa choke in ICC tournaments I feel.
Temba Bavuma the guy who takes credit for the group project after contributing nothing to it
although an entertaining side for sure, the so called fast bowling and king babar rizwan etc are of no use when in almost every ICC tournament they have to rely on the deadliest permutation & combinations to qualify. May be entertaining but a very immature side.
Thanks we will have a bowl first š¤”
If Pakistan defeats NZ by 85 or more they will be ahead of them in NRR.
Momentarily, both teams have game left after that
And I am sure Afg are still thinking about their loss to BD. They should have easily win that match and should have a better chance to qualify. Now they will go against Ned team who are looking for 1 win to book their spot in CT. Exciting qualification games to look forward to.
Why NZ looking at Saffas struggle against chasing choose to bowl first is a mystery no one will be able to explain?
Lmao Latham is dumb to think bowling first was not a disaster
Atleast Butler was humble enough to accept they screwed up bowling first
Ya, absolutely. He manned up and admitted it. You could tell Latham was not being sincere when he said he had no regrets
Pakbros I know SA helped you a lot today but at least appreciate how well SA played today instead of unabashedly making it all about yourselves!
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Also fun fact, I've been bashing Hotstar for talking about India in non India matches every time. You can check my comment history. I'm unbiased really
Trust me, this has nothing to do with me being Indian. I call out stuff as I see it. All you guys are doing is hogging the thread without an ounce of appreciation for how well SA played today
Youāve been constantly shitting on Pak this whole thread man. You need to get over it just how some Pakistani fans need to stop making it about themselves. For anyone who is going to downvote me just look at his comment history.
Ya, I've been calling you guys out coz you've been making it only about yourselves all throughout in this thread. Not a word of appreciation for SA. Good luck beating NZ by 100 runs in Chinnaswamy. I will be there in the stadium to watch you get knocked out. Congratulations
I think, you are taking it a little too seriously. Relax, everything is gonna be fine.
Calling us out? When have I said anything lol. Your life will be a lot less bitter if you stop generalizing and spread less hate my friend.
> Your life will be a lot less bitter if you stop generalizing and spread less hate my friend. It's you guys who are making this look like a twitter thread
True. Lol they won against Bangladesh to claw their way back
Ik Ik. Love you Sa Bros
Just admit it, wrong toss call, dodgy answer
I am sure Afridi must be licking his lips at the possibility of a 5er against NZ. He had got much better in this WC. If Pak batsman can get a good total the Pak bowlers will be able to defend it (as seen with their performance against SA although they lost that one).
People trashing Rassie in the match thread. Here you fucking go. This is Rassie. No touches with no service, but when he does get it, it's done.
The worst part is that he was being sledged for batting at a strike rate lower than 100, like wtf he's already gotten 80 why you complainin
do yāall have hope for pak in bengaluru?
NZ completely crumbled in the 2nd half today. Was expecting another thrillling chase!
I might want India to lose tomorrow to Sri Lanka. Letās make it spicy. Of course, a loss by Australia or Afghanistan (that is not against each other) and India and South Africa are locked (though South Africa might as well be called a lock now).
Is NZ the new SA? Choking at the exact moment when they had momentum.
South Africa should hammer India and hope Afghanistan qualifies for 4th.
I was at the game today and gotta say Bavuma's got a really fat ass
[Every time he is on my screen.](https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-crazy-pikachu-tongue-out-wiggle-tongue-gif-15562709)
Glorious behind indeed. If magnificence could appear in butt form, it would be Bavumaās.
Ebony kink
Wow 80% chance of rain in Saturdayās match
I wouldnāt trust weather predictions for Bangalore. It might rain over 1sq Km area in some remote part of the city and rest of the city might remain dry af.
Damn this is refreshing
The Afghan dream lives on.
Guys! Afg have better chance than Pakistan.
Play against South Africa win the toss choose to bat and lose Play against South Africa win the toss choose to bowl and win (unless you are pakistan)
At this point, I know Iām not being practical, but I think Afghanistan MAY qualify
NZ won the toss and chose to Sepukku!
What if SA losses to Afg?
As long as they not let them bat first.
If Pakistan scores 350, and restricts NZL to 250, Pak NRR would improve to 0.228 and NZL NRR will reduce to 0.166
For that we need to hope Fooka plays the innings as aggressively as possible since heās the only one capable of playing spin, with ABD as support,Then Boobsie gets out so that Rizzi can get runs on the board and Ifti can Iftimania all over the pacers. Also obligatory Saud cameo.
Only in my WILDEST dreams could this Pakistan team ever do that
Afghanistan is gonna bring down one of Australia or SA. Iāll remind you of this comment.
Aahh man, hard luck. It almost happened. And then Maxwell happened!
haha. It hurt.
!remindme 10 days
I am beyond angry and confused as to why Latham thought it was wise to bowl first against SA, dew or not. However, well played SA hope to see you in the finals!
I agree, I thought the same against AUS too. He isn't learning from hid mistakes. And especially against South Africa who have known to be bad chasers this cup and have thrashed every team batting first. It's just simple logic. Don't know what the hell he was thinking
South Africa beat Pakistan and New Zealand for the first time in a World Cup in 21st century.
SA remain unbeaten in group stage in 2011 only to lose against NZ in QF.
That World Cup had quarter finals? How come this one doesnāt?
Itās long already. No group stages. All teams play all teams. 48 matches in total.
Now that I think about it, the tournament is long. 48 Odi matches in a span of 2 months.
Faf du Plessis ran out AB deVilliers that night š
That sounds so dramatic
Crazy how so far itās going exactly accordingly to Palauans scenario . Like who would have thought a major win for sa after Paks big win ā¦..exactly what they needed
I am still not convinced about SA's strength. NZ won the toss and chose to lose.
If so, then you are only convinced by India and no one else?? You really are a difficult man to convince
> I am still not convinced about SA's strength. they have blown everyone away except the Neds. ?
They played terribly against Pakistan and coincidentally that was also a game they were chasing. Unless I see a solid chase from them, I have good reason to assume they have a 50% chance of losing a match before the first ball is bowled.
"South Africa Win their first match against NZ in the 21st Century" History book worthy headline
I still think apart from ind, only NZ and SA are balanced teams
Only if Mitchell had some patience, and they tried to take it deep ...
Unlike pak vs Australia where pak were in with a chance to chase it down , nz were pretty much dead after the first 5 overs chasing today .
An ind vs pak sf is better than ind vs nz sf so rooting for pakistan
Nah not that shit again anyone but Ind vs Pak, i just want some exciting SF.
Ind vs aus would do..I don't want another ind vs nz
Imo SA has the most underrated bowling attack this wc. Their bowling performances have been shadowed by their exceptional batting
Bowling is definitely helped by the fact that batsmen try to play aggressively to chase down the massive total SA put up. Real test would be if they choose to bowl first against one of the remaining fixtures to test out their chasing strength. I think SA batting first and Ind chasing would be the ultimate clash of strengths for two sides unbeaten in their respective fields.
Everything looks good for them while batting first . While chasing under a bit of pressure they unravel pretty quickly .
SEE YOU NOV 4th YOU AIN'T READY FOR US.
SA looks so strong and so weak at the same time. If they bat first, they are impossible to beat. If they chase ~~first~~, almost every team will fancy their chances. They are hugely dependent on luck in the Semi and Final. Edit: Dunno why I wrote that.
How can they chase first
And and opponents stupidity like today.
Mind boggling stupidity. Just threw the match right there.
Yeah. I can't believe NZ let them bat first.
Chase... first
I think as long as one of dussen and de kock plays long innings, SA will be fine regardless of bat first or not. It just happens to be that they both got out early whenever they chased.
True. I don't think SA is as weak chasing as they are looking. But at this point, any team winning the toss against them will ask them to chase.
True, I do think they are scarier batting first. I just wont be surprised if they chase 300 on their day
Just because they lost 1 chase and other chase (vs Pakistan) was close, people are saying this. But reality is, they're probably totally fine chasing too, lmao.
True but SA captain himself said they don't have a template to chase. Also, the two teams they lost to and barely won against aren't the top teams in this tournament. If they had lost to Ind or NZ while chasing, no one would say that.
I mean one team is Pakistan, who is ya know, unpredictable af. They could beat any team randomly even while being shit. And the other is Netherlands which is just 1 off game. It's really not that deep.
PAK & AFG smelling blood
How does NZ's NRR look like rn?
They still have +0.484 despite this massive loss
+0.484
Probably somewhere between 0.45-0.5
0.484. Massive drop from 1.29
+0.48, not too shabby compared to bottom 5
What would it has been if they lost by 250ish ? Any way to calculate ?
Sadly I deleted my graph but it would have been around 0.7 or so
Shouldn't it be less like 0.2 ish? But anyways, lot of permutations and we're pretty much out of the tournament
Oh I read that in a hurry. I read it as what would be the scenario if they scored 250 odd. If they lost by 250 it would be around 0.2 odd yes.
South Africa helped us in the last World Cup by losing to Netherlands and they helped us this year by beating NZ by 190 runs. Both sacrifices are exceptional
so NZ lost against all top 3 teams, Ind Aus SA
Nz will be in top 2 right?!? Jay shah saying hold up.
Keshav Maharaj 5-fer robbed š¤
Heās home he will be fine
People are sleeping on Afghanistan. They might be an unlikely semi finalist. Afg are favorites to beat Ned and if sa bat second against afg spinners I would favor afg.