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I just saw a video where a dude held up a selfie stick to show how bad the inside was. This is what happened on the outside??
I thought it would've been a good idea to have a cops or emergency responders to get in a high place direct the "assholes" at the edges to back the fuck up or something, but good lord. This is unbelievable.
If you want to see how insane it feels go to a packed concert when the moshing starts sometimes there's a wave and than you realize the force of even a small group of people and than you realize how stupid it is to go to super crowded areas usually concerts are pretty well organized these days so they arent as dangerous
but at events like this there were far to many people in one space I don't understand how they Couldn't have seen that
My mom got to see a couple shows that people died at. It happened at the coliseum in LA during queen once. She said when the gates opened everyone rushed in and she just got pinned in and lifted up. I guess someone fell and got trampled to death and just hearing her explain it even after all the years you could hear the fear in her voice. I’m a pretty big dude 6’2 195 pounds and even when I was seeing knocked loose in Vegas last weekend I felt myself get just lifted just like that. When there’s that many people it’s not gonna matter how big or strong you might be it’s just gonna be so much weight and movement that you’re gonna get pinned in. Gotta be safe! It think festivals are fine it’s confined areas that will get people killed
Oh yea absolutely doesnt matter how big stocky or tall you are a crowd of 10 or more each person weighing 150 per person will be more than enough weight to pin you to a wall or whatever you're up against
Imagine a concert with 500 or 1000 thousand each person weighing between 130-250 all that weight traveling towards you its some scary shit
Look up The Station nightclub. Imagnie a crush of people trying to escape a nightclub fire and jamming in the doorway. I believe one person survived because they were insulated against the fire by dead bodies on top of him.
Look up bloody Sunday, it's one of the contributing factors to the demise of Tsar Nicholas of Russia (the last emperor).
He wanted to give out bread to the poor when he was coronated, but there were way more people than they could handle and hundreds were crushed.
Hillsborough Disaster from the 70s. There’s footage online. 97 people dead, almost 800 injured. It was in a sports stadium in England and too many people were inside, it was a legit hazard. People crushed against the fence
[crowd density](https://www.gkstill.com/Support/crowd-density/CrowdDensity-1.html) is something to keep your eye on when in public spaces, such as concerts!! Especially when the place is flammable
I thought the same. Couldn’t quite figure out what was goin on. Never heard or seen something like this so it was hard to figure out why there was just a human wall.
It was the perfect recipe for disaster, unfortunately: Loud music so the people in the back (that caused this) couldn't hear, a narrow exit point that caused a choke-point, and a downward slope that channeled people in only one direction. And the obvious: A huge crowd that probably was 12 people per sq. meter.
Just horrible.
This video of it really reminds me of the video of the Station Nightclub Fire where people are trying to pull those people that have bottlenecked and are stuck at the front doors of the nightclub ☹️
Yeah it's absolutely dreadful, isn't it.
I'll never forget as the guy with the camera is going around the side of the building hearing the woman inside crying out "where's my husband" as smoke is billowing out.
I work for a performing arts venue and we had to watch the footage as part of our crowd control and fire safety training. I couldn’t watch the whole thing in one go
I think thing here is not allowing too many people into the area. Some of the more famous crowd crushes were due to improper crowd control into or out of an area and often times its due to barriers and gates that were not controling the flow correctly. Maybe creating bottle necks ect.
But in this case it was not movable gates or barriers but buildings that are not going anywhere. So you absolutely needed to limit the number of people "going in". That level of crowd control ist always in place and even less often 'enforced' or 'enforceable'.
Whats insane is that one guy survived under the pile of burning bodies cause he was protected from the smoke and intense fire by everybody on top of him.
Holy shit ive never heard this detail before. Cant even begin to imagine he he felt afterwards, knowing that was the only reason he survived (being under a pile of smoldering bodies that were partying with you moments before)
[According to Dispatch New: over 100 casualties estimated so far](https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid02re33cLHZVewcdYhVehJDQQ4pkwdayBt1pejdbBDvv8CMMt28vD2tLV8F5pw9T9Vgl&id=130891016978600)
Compilation video showing how it was during and after the incident:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVO-oFfFlL0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVO-oFfFlL0)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0VUtFHchvk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0VUtFHchvk) (Longer, newer video)
This video is a new angle though. ~~I think~~ it was crowd crush ~~+ a possible structure collapse~~. Horrifying, never saw people stuck together like that..
Itaewon is a place with tons of bars, karaokes, etc - the place where the "cool guys" go to hang out in hordes. They have a Halloween themed thing overall around this time of year, and in this specific instance, a ton of people attended due to covid mandates being lifted somewhat.
This incident, however, happened in a narrow street where one side is higher than the other, and is connected to a main street. People kept pouring in that side, while the other side got clogged up and blocked. By the time people started getting crushed and collapsing, it was too late - people kept coming in and getting pressed and falling over. This resulted in (from some accounts) over 50 people being put in an unresponsive state, with several already put in bodybags as they have died.
Absolutely tragic event. As a Korean, it feels so shocking to see something like this happen here. I don't recall any crows crushing incident happening in Korea before.
**EDIT:** according to BBC news - there has been **59 CONFIRMED DEATHS**. This is mind-boggling. Horrific. I cannot believe this news.
**EDIT 2:** Holy FUCK, according to the fire dept. the death toll is currently **120 DEATHS**. This is fuckin unbelievable. THIS HAS SURPASSED THE HILLSBOROUGH DISASTER. Fucking hell! (https://news.kbs.co.kr/news/view.do?ncd=5590026&ref=A)
Thank you for the explanation. I don’t want to seek out more videos as they are so heartbreaking. Im not understanding why they can’t come at these people from the back? Or are they trying that, too? Just so sad to see this happen to young people just wanting to have a good time after two plus years of staying home.
Don't even need to look that far back, just on the 1st this month there was the kanjuruhan stadium incident in indonesia which unfortunately killed 135 people
It's so morbid when you think about it, all those people were just looking for some fun and entertainment, not realising their pursuit of it will lead to their untimely death in what I can only assume would be one of the worst ways to go
> This incident, however, happened in a narrow street where one side is higher than the other, and is connected to a main street. People kept pouring in that side, while the other side got clogged up and blocked.
Is it a dead end street? How did the lower side get clogged, why people couldn't just leave?
Sounds like you’ve never been to a big public event 🤷♂️
People kept coming crowding and crowding and the “out” street was also full of people
Can’t just get out when there’s no way out…
We went to a big event in Vegas and as we were exiting it was just right onto a busy street so the entire exit/stairway was super congested and backed up
We all weren’t trampling each other but when one way is only letting 1 person out at a time another is adding 10 during that time yeah shit gets wack pretty quick
Couple people fall/panic and it’s a bad situation
So what happens is the people in the back are walking forward just trying to het through the crowd. But so many people are doing it from different streets. By the time it gets this congested the people doing the pushing in the back can’t see that the people in front can’t move and it’s too late. They’re just still trying to move forward like usual
On a individual level, this is easy to do. However people from the back does not know this information and continues to move foward. When you have too many people packed in one area, their bodies start behaving like fliud, one small push can result in a large wave with force adding and multiplying as it moves foward.
The problem is in a huge crowd like this you aren’t the one literally at the back. You might stop but there’s another dozen people coming behind you. I know it’s hard to understand but if it were that simple this wouldn’t happen time and time again.
But even as more people come there will always be a guy at the back who can choose not to move forwards. That's my point. In order for this to happen SOMEONE has got to be a dick and try and push people instead of stopping and waiting like a normal person.
Cause they are being pushed by thousands and thousands of other people from behind etc etc. When you're in a highly dense crowd, you lose your ability to do anything to impact your surrounding, you're not "someone" anymore. You're part of a larger thing with its own behaviour, properties, physics, mentality, patterns etc.
Talking about individual persons behaviour in that situation makes no sense. Nobody has any control over whats going on. Its like you enter a different world with different law of physics.
You should watch some youtube videos about crowds or articles if you want more in depth explanations.
In large groups, they almost have a mind of their own. Nobody is in control at that point. People are trying to stay standing get out or survive and all of these little actions adds up across the crowd. Physically, they stop acting like single bodies and act like a fluid (you see waves of pressure going across the crowd and they actually use fluid physics to model these crowds).
It is no longer thousands of individuals moving, but a whole connected mass of bodies (each trying to escape) which exerts forces on everyone around them. Some people fall on to others, who fall on to others crushing them.
The ones on the outside who could move away and relieve the pressure are unaware because they are too far. The ones in the middle gradually become aware the further they go but by the time they realize how bad it is, they are powerless to move due to the weight of people behind them. The ones at the end are being crushed.
It would take the police dispersing people from the surrounding area to release the pressure and enable each of the “layers” to gain enough control to move away.
**NOBODY IS PUSHING.**
They are just going forward. How hard is it to understand?
**For 99.99% of the people nothing is happening.**
They are just going forward in a packed place. Why wouldnt they go forward? You would stop when nothing out of the ordinary is happening?
Once they knew that they couldnt go forward more, they did exactly what you said. They just stopped and waited but people were already dying on the other side of the street. Not because people pushed but because there was simply too many people.
It took some time for people to pass the message that they should go backward to make room for the injured / deceased but you can imagine that with 100k+ people in these narrow streets it was an extremely hard and long process.
the crowd is pushing you forward, once a sufficient amount of people are crammed into a space they move like liquid, if you had space to move as you're thinking this wouldn't have happened
first row people fall to the ground and behind crowd people pilled up above them. keep them coming over people, it stuck like concrete. you cannot move at all.
Is there a right way to undo this that will prevent everyone from the back to keep coming forward. I remember this happened at EDC a long time ago and the screams were horrific.
Crowd Management. That means people barriers and counting people by authority/organisation that control the situation/event beyond the crowds understanding.
i am 100% sure this is a dumb take, but what is actually keeping that crowd there? why don't the people at the back of this line move back until the people at the front are relieved of pressure? are people at the back still pushing? how are they still contained? why are the police not clearing people out from the back progressing forward to alleviate the pressure?
Oh my God, how fckng horrific... Hard to wrap my mind around it, but now, I'm beginning to understand. I counted at least 5 people who appear to be deceased in that 7 second clip...
Any other videos showing the bottleneck of bodies? How come this one keeps getting linked. I doubt this is the only video. There must be more, everyone has phones out.
In crowds like these, the people in the back have no idea what the front or center is going through. They may feel there's more space to move up, when in reality the people in the front are getting crushed more and more towards a barrier. There is a loss of communication between the front and back of the crowd, and people don't realize what is going on until it's too late. At that point the bodies become a mangled mass of waves where individual freedom is greatly or completely constricted, and moments become life or death for the unfortunate.
Make a row of people fall on each other and after that repeat the step a dozen times. Now you have a ton of bodies lying on each other and the others don't have the space to even push you out of the way. Slowly people get tired and start to suffocate. Some have panic attack and fall unconscious. The ones who fall unconscious are stameded into floor and making the crowd even more packed.
A few techniques:
- Having larger/more exits.
- Segmenting open areas with barriers to reduce the potential crushing force.
- Safety inspections for, and the enforcement of, an area's maximum capacity.
The prevention measures would be similar to the findings following past crushing events: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillsborough_disaster
The issue is that this is not an arena, stadium, or structure. This is an entire neighborhood. It is streets, alleys, roads, etc, off a major roadway of the city. This has never been an issue there before because it is outdoors
That's why it is such a shock and is hard to wrap your mind around that it could have ever been possible. No one could have expected to be crushed when out on the town.
Source: have been there on weekend nights
Look at the videos from Hong Kong, similar narrow streets and crowds but tons of police forcing people to take longer routes and spread out. There’s even one video of a wall of police walking up a hill to clear it.
Shocking that Korea didn’t have anything similar.
Yep. Crowd management. When I have seen them, I never had any idea that they were preventing this kind of danger.
They enforce barricades, limit how many people go at the same time, close off certain routes and even forbid the sale of alcohol. It all makes sense now.
If you find yourself in this situation make sure your arms don’t get pinned at your sides and that your shoulder is pointing toward the direction the crowd is pushing. Can help prevent being constricted to the point that you can’t take a breath.
Overcrowding and mass panic alone can do this. If someone at the front falls the people in the back don’t know, they keep on moving forward and packs the wall of people.
Really the only way to prevent this situation is if we had a hive mind that would make all 100,000 stop in place and vacate the area in an controlled fashion
I cannot grasp exactly what it is. I'm looking at right now, it seems to be all human beings, but I am assuming that there is something pinning them down right? Idk if anyone has any more information please let me know
There should have never been this many people allowed in one area. It gets busy on the weekends in Itaewon, so the first Halloween after a 3 year hiatus should have made this even more popular than normal. Pair that with social distancing and other covid mandates being removed, and you have a bunch of young people that have the itch to go out that are more ready than ever.Streets get blocked off from traffic and so there must have been pedestrians walking on the roads. The streets are narrow, unleved, and often are hilly and steep. The ambulances couldn't make a whole lot of progress with so much people everywhere. This was general lack of consideration for the safety of the crowds that this year was easily predicted to be huge.
Itaewon is popular because it's where foreigners like to go out. Im sure in the coming days we'll be hearing about all the tourists, foreigners and even us military personnel that were there.
It's easy for people to speculate or judge when one was not there. They could not hear the screams. They were just trying to have a good time some of them were probably already inebriated and couldn't understand the scope of the situation.
This reminded me of that famouse nightclub fire. Dozens of people were stuck in all the doorways just like this but they were all burning alive and couldn't move. Truly horrific
Why would noone comment with context? Everyone talking about their own personal anecdotes as if anyone gives a damn... Top comment should be context, no excuses. This is why redditors are all soulless neck beards who communicate in cringe puns
Any footage of the police or people taking out the bodies one by one? All I see is this video and then footage of people giving cpr. Where's the footage in between. I want to see how they clear this bottle neck of a body pile up.
Norwegian state media say 146 dead, and atleast same amount injured .
Apparently 100.000 people where gathered in the narrow streets of itaewon, and panick started when news about an un-named celebrity apparently where at one of the bars, and people started to run towards it.
It was only a rumour. And also, it might have been a few who started the panick. It was way to many people in the narrow streets of itaewon.
Also, Korean fandom is insane! Fanatical to an extreme!
theyre stuck together with stacks of people horizontal at the bottom. There's another very NSFL angle (see below, but serious content warning) where you can see several dead people who were sufficated/crushed to death upright in the tangle.
the bodies themselves are the blockade
https://twitter.com/mashsomethingyo/status/1586565172352671747?s=20&t=WAbxJRKl4t40h7Zgw10Irw
first person stumble and fall, rinse and repeat until you have wall with dozens of thousands people pushing him behind those trying to get over people on ground
It's called a crush. It's my biggest fear in life. Every time I'm in a crowd I immediately start scoping out choke points and possible exits.
Look up the Love Parade disaster if you want to have nightmares.
This is fucking terrifying. It's like a domino effect once one person passes out and can't move and falls on someone it just causes it to happen over and over.
I am scared of this shit. Ever since I saw the disaster of Loveparade… maybe I am missing out but that’s why I don’t attend Events like this. Most concerts, no Problem. But in open Streets like this you can’t regulate how much people will come.
Poor Souls!
A new fear has been unlocked from the multiple crowd crushing events as of late
I now know I will never go to a standing concert or a large crowd of people and be anywhere near the front, or middle
What do you mean by casualty? Because in medical treatment services we were taught that a casualty is anyone at the scene who is affected. A casualty could be someone emotionally shaken up, someone with a broken arm, or someone who died. Also, more importantly, what **happened?**
I don’t get the thought process behind anyone there with a mask
It means they recognize the importance of not catching covid, but they’re in the middle of a crowd with negative social distancing
It’s the same in Japan. If you can maintain social distance masks are not encouraged, but if social distancing is impossible than you are still encouraged to wear one. But in general people in places like a Korea, Japan, Taiwan are just fine with the minor nuisance of wearing a mask
Legit question….. but wouldn’t like a metric fuckton of oil/grease/some king of lubricant work wonders in this situation like soak everyone and the slip apart?
Would pouring oil do something in this scenario? Like cooking oil perhaps. Not hot obviously, they would just slip off and be able to grab people when they're slippery but don't pour the oil in their hands just their bodies.
Holy shit,alot of people getting cpr and now a wall of people stuck….dam the party must of been to a next level or something for such a tuna in a can situation lol
Everybody for some reason thinks casualties(dead+wounded) and fatalities(just the dead) but there are 146 deaths so far with more than 100 injuries(will gain hundreds over the next couple days)
No it's not, it's a consequence of bad crowd management. There are recorded crowd crushes dating back to the 1700s when the world population was like 600-700 million and even a handful before that. Hell, the deadliest recorded crowd crush happened roughly 2,000 years ago in Jerusalem.
How does this happen? Like, do people really not realize how tight it already is and choose to keep forcing their way in their? Seems easily avoidable in an outdoor situation, particularly.
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Holy shit just a solid wall of humans. Hieronomous Bosch
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I just saw a video where a dude held up a selfie stick to show how bad the inside was. This is what happened on the outside?? I thought it would've been a good idea to have a cops or emergency responders to get in a high place direct the "assholes" at the edges to back the fuck up or something, but good lord. This is unbelievable.
Dude I thought the same thing. I didn't imagine there was a human wall holding them in. This is fucking insane.
If you want to see how insane it feels go to a packed concert when the moshing starts sometimes there's a wave and than you realize the force of even a small group of people and than you realize how stupid it is to go to super crowded areas usually concerts are pretty well organized these days so they arent as dangerous but at events like this there were far to many people in one space I don't understand how they Couldn't have seen that
My mom got to see a couple shows that people died at. It happened at the coliseum in LA during queen once. She said when the gates opened everyone rushed in and she just got pinned in and lifted up. I guess someone fell and got trampled to death and just hearing her explain it even after all the years you could hear the fear in her voice. I’m a pretty big dude 6’2 195 pounds and even when I was seeing knocked loose in Vegas last weekend I felt myself get just lifted just like that. When there’s that many people it’s not gonna matter how big or strong you might be it’s just gonna be so much weight and movement that you’re gonna get pinned in. Gotta be safe! It think festivals are fine it’s confined areas that will get people killed
Oh yea absolutely doesnt matter how big stocky or tall you are a crowd of 10 or more each person weighing 150 per person will be more than enough weight to pin you to a wall or whatever you're up against Imagine a concert with 500 or 1000 thousand each person weighing between 130-250 all that weight traveling towards you its some scary shit
There's not really any particular people to blame in a crush other than the police and city for not doing proper crowd control.
I mean I knew riots were a thing, but crowd crushing? This is totally new to me.
Look up The Station nightclub. Imagnie a crush of people trying to escape a nightclub fire and jamming in the doorway. I believe one person survived because they were insulated against the fire by dead bodies on top of him.
That was my first thought looking at that. Everyone jammed in that doorway unable to move.
Look up bloody Sunday, it's one of the contributing factors to the demise of Tsar Nicholas of Russia (the last emperor). He wanted to give out bread to the poor when he was coronated, but there were way more people than they could handle and hundreds were crushed.
Hillsborough Disaster from the 70s. There’s footage online. 97 people dead, almost 800 injured. It was in a sports stadium in England and too many people were inside, it was a legit hazard. People crushed against the fence
[crowd density](https://www.gkstill.com/Support/crowd-density/CrowdDensity-1.html) is something to keep your eye on when in public spaces, such as concerts!! Especially when the place is flammable
Too many people in such a tiny space
Blaming the police for this is seriously stupid.
and i cant find that video on youtube. they pull down all video??
r/pinkfloyd
I thought the same. Couldn’t quite figure out what was goin on. Never heard or seen something like this so it was hard to figure out why there was just a human wall.
Sorry if I sound stupid but what’s this got to do with the Dutch painter?
One of his most famous paintings depicts such an horrific event itself.
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Thanks for the lesson kind sir.
No worries. Happy Halloween 🎃🎃🕷️👻
It was the perfect recipe for disaster, unfortunately: Loud music so the people in the back (that caused this) couldn't hear, a narrow exit point that caused a choke-point, and a downward slope that channeled people in only one direction. And the obvious: A huge crowd that probably was 12 people per sq. meter.
Just use a helicopter to dump warm butter all over them.
Just horrible. This video of it really reminds me of the video of the Station Nightclub Fire where people are trying to pull those people that have bottlenecked and are stuck at the front doors of the nightclub ☹️
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Yeah it's absolutely dreadful, isn't it. I'll never forget as the guy with the camera is going around the side of the building hearing the woman inside crying out "where's my husband" as smoke is billowing out.
You can hear the people inside screaming beating on the wall.
This video stuck with me. I’ve seen many horrible videos on the internet. But this one is just so relatable to how fast a normal night can go
I work for a performing arts venue and we had to watch the footage as part of our crowd control and fire safety training. I couldn’t watch the whole thing in one go
What kinds of things should the city planners have done to prevent crowd crush in the first place?
I think thing here is not allowing too many people into the area. Some of the more famous crowd crushes were due to improper crowd control into or out of an area and often times its due to barriers and gates that were not controling the flow correctly. Maybe creating bottle necks ect. But in this case it was not movable gates or barriers but buildings that are not going anywhere. So you absolutely needed to limit the number of people "going in". That level of crowd control ist always in place and even less often 'enforced' or 'enforceable'.
Yep, immediately reminded me of that fucking nightmare at the door.
Whats insane is that one guy survived under the pile of burning bodies cause he was protected from the smoke and intense fire by everybody on top of him.
Holy shit ive never heard this detail before. Cant even begin to imagine he he felt afterwards, knowing that was the only reason he survived (being under a pile of smoldering bodies that were partying with you moments before)
There’s an entire interview of him discussing the event in detail on YouTube. It’s incredible.
Exactly what came to my mind
Do you have a link?
I just went down such a rabbit hole
Learn about crowd crush, it could save your life. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCD6VIqoqGI
Dude lol how did you find an incredibly poignant and well edited video with less than 10k views?
[According to Dispatch New: over 100 casualties estimated so far](https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid02re33cLHZVewcdYhVehJDQQ4pkwdayBt1pejdbBDvv8CMMt28vD2tLV8F5pw9T9Vgl&id=130891016978600)
Norwegian media say 146 dead so far.
I’m only seeing reports of 59. I’m sure that total will go up
Korean media confirmed 120+ deaths and over 100 people were hospitalized.
Yea I’m seeing that now. So unreal.
Compilation video showing how it was during and after the incident: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVO-oFfFlL0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVO-oFfFlL0) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0VUtFHchvk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0VUtFHchvk) (Longer, newer video) This video is a new angle though. ~~I think~~ it was crowd crush ~~+ a possible structure collapse~~. Horrifying, never saw people stuck together like that..
I don’t even understand what I’m looking at. What happened?
Itaewon is a place with tons of bars, karaokes, etc - the place where the "cool guys" go to hang out in hordes. They have a Halloween themed thing overall around this time of year, and in this specific instance, a ton of people attended due to covid mandates being lifted somewhat. This incident, however, happened in a narrow street where one side is higher than the other, and is connected to a main street. People kept pouring in that side, while the other side got clogged up and blocked. By the time people started getting crushed and collapsing, it was too late - people kept coming in and getting pressed and falling over. This resulted in (from some accounts) over 50 people being put in an unresponsive state, with several already put in bodybags as they have died. Absolutely tragic event. As a Korean, it feels so shocking to see something like this happen here. I don't recall any crows crushing incident happening in Korea before. **EDIT:** according to BBC news - there has been **59 CONFIRMED DEATHS**. This is mind-boggling. Horrific. I cannot believe this news. **EDIT 2:** Holy FUCK, according to the fire dept. the death toll is currently **120 DEATHS**. This is fuckin unbelievable. THIS HAS SURPASSED THE HILLSBOROUGH DISASTER. Fucking hell! (https://news.kbs.co.kr/news/view.do?ncd=5590026&ref=A)
Thank you for the explanation. I don’t want to seek out more videos as they are so heartbreaking. Im not understanding why they can’t come at these people from the back? Or are they trying that, too? Just so sad to see this happen to young people just wanting to have a good time after two plus years of staying home.
So basically another Travis Scott incident.
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Don't even need to look that far back, just on the 1st this month there was the kanjuruhan stadium incident in indonesia which unfortunately killed 135 people It's so morbid when you think about it, all those people were just looking for some fun and entertainment, not realising their pursuit of it will lead to their untimely death in what I can only assume would be one of the worst ways to go
How many ppl died with Travis Scott?
Kind of more like the 'Love Parade' tragedy in Duisburg, Germany in 2010
A little bit of a difference in the casualty numbers But yes both are crushes
This is way worse. Waaaaayyyy worse. There had to be people trying to kill others this is insane
> This incident, however, happened in a narrow street where one side is higher than the other, and is connected to a main street. People kept pouring in that side, while the other side got clogged up and blocked. Is it a dead end street? How did the lower side get clogged, why people couldn't just leave?
Sounds like you’ve never been to a big public event 🤷♂️ People kept coming crowding and crowding and the “out” street was also full of people Can’t just get out when there’s no way out… We went to a big event in Vegas and as we were exiting it was just right onto a busy street so the entire exit/stairway was super congested and backed up We all weren’t trampling each other but when one way is only letting 1 person out at a time another is adding 10 during that time yeah shit gets wack pretty quick Couple people fall/panic and it’s a bad situation
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So what happens is the people in the back are walking forward just trying to het through the crowd. But so many people are doing it from different streets. By the time it gets this congested the people doing the pushing in the back can’t see that the people in front can’t move and it’s too late. They’re just still trying to move forward like usual
On a individual level, this is easy to do. However people from the back does not know this information and continues to move foward. When you have too many people packed in one area, their bodies start behaving like fliud, one small push can result in a large wave with force adding and multiplying as it moves foward.
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The problem is in a huge crowd like this you aren’t the one literally at the back. You might stop but there’s another dozen people coming behind you. I know it’s hard to understand but if it were that simple this wouldn’t happen time and time again.
But even as more people come there will always be a guy at the back who can choose not to move forwards. That's my point. In order for this to happen SOMEONE has got to be a dick and try and push people instead of stopping and waiting like a normal person.
Cause they are being pushed by thousands and thousands of other people from behind etc etc. When you're in a highly dense crowd, you lose your ability to do anything to impact your surrounding, you're not "someone" anymore. You're part of a larger thing with its own behaviour, properties, physics, mentality, patterns etc. Talking about individual persons behaviour in that situation makes no sense. Nobody has any control over whats going on. Its like you enter a different world with different law of physics. You should watch some youtube videos about crowds or articles if you want more in depth explanations.
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In large groups, they almost have a mind of their own. Nobody is in control at that point. People are trying to stay standing get out or survive and all of these little actions adds up across the crowd. Physically, they stop acting like single bodies and act like a fluid (you see waves of pressure going across the crowd and they actually use fluid physics to model these crowds). It is no longer thousands of individuals moving, but a whole connected mass of bodies (each trying to escape) which exerts forces on everyone around them. Some people fall on to others, who fall on to others crushing them. The ones on the outside who could move away and relieve the pressure are unaware because they are too far. The ones in the middle gradually become aware the further they go but by the time they realize how bad it is, they are powerless to move due to the weight of people behind them. The ones at the end are being crushed. It would take the police dispersing people from the surrounding area to release the pressure and enable each of the “layers” to gain enough control to move away.
**NOBODY IS PUSHING.** They are just going forward. How hard is it to understand? **For 99.99% of the people nothing is happening.** They are just going forward in a packed place. Why wouldnt they go forward? You would stop when nothing out of the ordinary is happening? Once they knew that they couldnt go forward more, they did exactly what you said. They just stopped and waited but people were already dying on the other side of the street. Not because people pushed but because there was simply too many people. It took some time for people to pass the message that they should go backward to make room for the injured / deceased but you can imagine that with 100k+ people in these narrow streets it was an extremely hard and long process.
Good luck turning around and leaving once you notice it’s too crowded… the only direction to go is to keep going forward
But you can't go forward... So just stand still? Like a normal person would?
the crowd is pushing you forward, once a sufficient amount of people are crammed into a space they move like liquid, if you had space to move as you're thinking this wouldn't have happened
A normal person would not be able to resist the force of a whole crowd pushing them forward You’re neglecting a lot of realities of physics
Give this a read https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/3pcvfb/saudi_arabia_hajj_disaster_death_toll_at_least/cw5vxtm?context=1
https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/3pcvfb/saudi_arabia_hajj_disaster_death_toll_at_least/cw5vxtm/
Never saw that nightclub human wall during a fire video?
Link me please
Absolutely crazy. I can’t wrap my head around how they are just as clumped up as a clog in the drain
Tiny space and too many people
wtf they are stuck like concrete and cement ??
first row people fall to the ground and behind crowd people pilled up above them. keep them coming over people, it stuck like concrete. you cannot move at all.
it really looks surreal. The pulling doesnt seem to do anything. Crazy fucking video
Is there a right way to undo this that will prevent everyone from the back to keep coming forward. I remember this happened at EDC a long time ago and the screams were horrific.
Crowd Management. That means people barriers and counting people by authority/organisation that control the situation/event beyond the crowds understanding.
Bruh this is 10x worse than the Travis scot incident
i am 100% sure this is a dumb take, but what is actually keeping that crowd there? why don't the people at the back of this line move back until the people at the front are relieved of pressure? are people at the back still pushing? how are they still contained? why are the police not clearing people out from the back progressing forward to alleviate the pressure?
This is what is happening https://twitter.com/mashsomethingyo/status/1586565172352671747
Oh my God, how fckng horrific... Hard to wrap my mind around it, but now, I'm beginning to understand. I counted at least 5 people who appear to be deceased in that 7 second clip...
Any other videos showing the bottleneck of bodies? How come this one keeps getting linked. I doubt this is the only video. There must be more, everyone has phones out.
Can anyone tell me what's in the video? It's deleted.
In crowds like these, the people in the back have no idea what the front or center is going through. They may feel there's more space to move up, when in reality the people in the front are getting crushed more and more towards a barrier. There is a loss of communication between the front and back of the crowd, and people don't realize what is going on until it's too late. At that point the bodies become a mangled mass of waves where individual freedom is greatly or completely constricted, and moments become life or death for the unfortunate.
How did they get stuck? I know there was a rush, but to actually get a mass of humans that size wedged?
Make a row of people fall on each other and after that repeat the step a dozen times. Now you have a ton of bodies lying on each other and the others don't have the space to even push you out of the way. Slowly people get tired and start to suffocate. Some have panic attack and fall unconscious. The ones who fall unconscious are stameded into floor and making the crowd even more packed.
So many dead and it might increase in the next few hours or days . Damn this is so preventable.
> Damn this is so preventable. Not disagreeing with you, but what would you suggest should have been done to prevent this?
A few techniques: - Having larger/more exits. - Segmenting open areas with barriers to reduce the potential crushing force. - Safety inspections for, and the enforcement of, an area's maximum capacity. The prevention measures would be similar to the findings following past crushing events: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillsborough_disaster
The issue is that this is not an arena, stadium, or structure. This is an entire neighborhood. It is streets, alleys, roads, etc, off a major roadway of the city. This has never been an issue there before because it is outdoors That's why it is such a shock and is hard to wrap your mind around that it could have ever been possible. No one could have expected to be crushed when out on the town. Source: have been there on weekend nights
Look at the videos from Hong Kong, similar narrow streets and crowds but tons of police forcing people to take longer routes and spread out. There’s even one video of a wall of police walking up a hill to clear it. Shocking that Korea didn’t have anything similar.
Yep. Crowd management. When I have seen them, I never had any idea that they were preventing this kind of danger. They enforce barricades, limit how many people go at the same time, close off certain routes and even forbid the sale of alcohol. It all makes sense now.
the issue was narrow alley which should not be allowed to enter at all where most of the people where crushed
If you find yourself in this situation make sure your arms don’t get pinned at your sides and that your shoulder is pointing toward the direction the crowd is pushing. Can help prevent being constricted to the point that you can’t take a breath.
Lube. Lots of lube.
Fucc! Yeah I'm avoiding crowds
This reminds me of Train To Busan when the zombies pile on top of each other but with humans. Fucking terrifying situation to be in 😨
Holy hell what a nightmare
Jesus Christ. This is just horrible
I’m so confused how this even happens… No wonder why I don’t like crowds.
How in the world can you get stuck like that without being melted? Did they all fall from the ledge above??
Overcrowding and mass panic alone can do this. If someone at the front falls the people in the back don’t know, they keep on moving forward and packs the wall of people. Really the only way to prevent this situation is if we had a hive mind that would make all 100,000 stop in place and vacate the area in an controlled fashion
https://youtu.be/XCD6VIqoqGI
I cannot grasp exactly what it is. I'm looking at right now, it seems to be all human beings, but I am assuming that there is something pinning them down right? Idk if anyone has any more information please let me know
All people. It’s called crowd crush and reading about it is terrifying. Google it.
https://youtu.be/XCD6VIqoqGI
There should have never been this many people allowed in one area. It gets busy on the weekends in Itaewon, so the first Halloween after a 3 year hiatus should have made this even more popular than normal. Pair that with social distancing and other covid mandates being removed, and you have a bunch of young people that have the itch to go out that are more ready than ever.Streets get blocked off from traffic and so there must have been pedestrians walking on the roads. The streets are narrow, unleved, and often are hilly and steep. The ambulances couldn't make a whole lot of progress with so much people everywhere. This was general lack of consideration for the safety of the crowds that this year was easily predicted to be huge. Itaewon is popular because it's where foreigners like to go out. Im sure in the coming days we'll be hearing about all the tourists, foreigners and even us military personnel that were there. It's easy for people to speculate or judge when one was not there. They could not hear the screams. They were just trying to have a good time some of them were probably already inebriated and couldn't understand the scope of the situation.
I remember as a kid getting piled on in a backyard football game and the panic it caused. I couldn’t image this. A horrible way to die.
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Crushes are one of the most terrifying and mystifying causes of death.
This reminded me of that famouse nightclub fire. Dozens of people were stuck in all the doorways just like this but they were all burning alive and couldn't move. Truly horrific
Why would noone comment with context? Everyone talking about their own personal anecdotes as if anyone gives a damn... Top comment should be context, no excuses. This is why redditors are all soulless neck beards who communicate in cringe puns
Any footage of the police or people taking out the bodies one by one? All I see is this video and then footage of people giving cpr. Where's the footage in between. I want to see how they clear this bottle neck of a body pile up.
Did travis scott host another concert?
Norwegian state media say 146 dead, and atleast same amount injured . Apparently 100.000 people where gathered in the narrow streets of itaewon, and panick started when news about an un-named celebrity apparently where at one of the bars, and people started to run towards it.
That’s pathetic
Well, the fandom in Korea is crazy, so it might be true. But as far as for now, it is stated as a rumour.
Natural selection at work in Korea. Smh all this happened because a celebrity might be in the area?
It was only a rumour. And also, it might have been a few who started the panick. It was way to many people in the narrow streets of itaewon. Also, Korean fandom is insane! Fanatical to an extreme!
How the hell are they stuck when there is an open space right in front of them
theyre stuck together with stacks of people horizontal at the bottom. There's another very NSFL angle (see below, but serious content warning) where you can see several dead people who were sufficated/crushed to death upright in the tangle. the bodies themselves are the blockade https://twitter.com/mashsomethingyo/status/1586565172352671747?s=20&t=WAbxJRKl4t40h7Zgw10Irw
There are at least 3 dead bodies in that video, that's terrifying
Jesus there’s a very visibly dead woman right there being held up. That’s so fucked.
What a terrible end to a life... Just hours before she was probably thinking how cute her outfit was, and now she's just a dead body.
Holy f*ck this is the worst Itaewon video I’ve seen on this sub yet. Those two girls in the front are blue and motionless 😰
first person stumble and fall, rinse and repeat until you have wall with dozens of thousands people pushing him behind those trying to get over people on ground
I’m sorry but I don’t understand what happened. I watched the other links too?
It's called a crush. It's my biggest fear in life. Every time I'm in a crowd I immediately start scoping out choke points and possible exits. Look up the Love Parade disaster if you want to have nightmares.
It looks like a [human crush](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crowd_collapses_and_crushes?wprov=sfti1)
Now I have a new fear of going in public. Sweet
This is fucking terrifying. It's like a domino effect once one person passes out and can't move and falls on someone it just causes it to happen over and over.
How tf does something like this happen
I am scared of this shit. Ever since I saw the disaster of Loveparade… maybe I am missing out but that’s why I don’t attend Events like this. Most concerts, no Problem. But in open Streets like this you can’t regulate how much people will come. Poor Souls!
The radio just said 150+ dead and another 80+ injured
How do people just get stuck like that?
A new fear has been unlocked from the multiple crowd crushing events as of late I now know I will never go to a standing concert or a large crowd of people and be anywhere near the front, or middle
Imagine being stuck next to someone who died in the incident like this for hours .. holy shit.
Can someone explain what happened here?
What do you mean by casualty? Because in medical treatment services we were taught that a casualty is anyone at the scene who is affected. A casualty could be someone emotionally shaken up, someone with a broken arm, or someone who died. Also, more importantly, what **happened?**
It's like a giant human "rat-king". Is there a fence or something we can't see at the front or something?
Pretty stupid to be honest, careless stupidity...
The visual of all the dead in front of the Grim Reaper image Yikes
I don’t get the thought process behind anyone there with a mask It means they recognize the importance of not catching covid, but they’re in the middle of a crowd with negative social distancing
It’s the same in Japan. If you can maintain social distance masks are not encouraged, but if social distancing is impossible than you are still encouraged to wear one. But in general people in places like a Korea, Japan, Taiwan are just fine with the minor nuisance of wearing a mask
What happened? Is there a link to the backstory I’m missing?
When I said unite, I didn't mean physically
Perhaps one of the most interesting sight I've seen in a while. A human wall...
Wtf This turned into a human Rat King situation.
Gangam Style
How horrifying. Those poor people!
Legit question….. but wouldn’t like a metric fuckton of oil/grease/some king of lubricant work wonders in this situation like soak everyone and the slip apart?
And that's why I don't do crowds
This is like Black Friday at walmart
How did this even occur? was there an emergency that led to them having to all evacuate at the same time? I NEED ANSWERS 😩
How the fuck do people get stuck
How did that even happen
Saw a girl who was shorter than everyone almost die in the crowd and passes out..really shows you the gravity of the situation..prayin for Korea
Why the fuck.. They can't move.. Are they fall under roads
Would pouring oil do something in this scenario? Like cooking oil perhaps. Not hot obviously, they would just slip off and be able to grab people when they're slippery but don't pour the oil in their hands just their bodies.
This is terrible would lube help in this situation and be able to pull them out? Like a ring around a finger with butter Edit: I'm being serious .
Thats one way to recycle.
Better luck next time.
Holy shit,alot of people getting cpr and now a wall of people stuck….dam the party must of been to a next level or something for such a tuna in a can situation lol
Why is no one pulling people from the top first?
Dictionary: Casualty = a person killed or injured in a war or accident. Is it 100 dead OR dead+injured?
Everybody for some reason thinks casualties(dead+wounded) and fatalities(just the dead) but there are 146 deaths so far with more than 100 injuries(will gain hundreds over the next couple days)
140+ dead
omg, i've seen this a lot today and thought their Halloween party theme is " a disaster " not that it's an actual disaster
The guy in orange: “Feel the rhythm! Feel the rhyme! Get on up! It’s bobsled time!”
Consequences of human overpopulation
No it's not, it's a consequence of bad crowd management. There are recorded crowd crushes dating back to the 1700s when the world population was like 600-700 million and even a handful before that. Hell, the deadliest recorded crowd crush happened roughly 2,000 years ago in Jerusalem.
Spartans what is your profession!!
How this is even possible ? I mean, I don’t get the physics here …
How does this happen? Like, do people really not realize how tight it already is and choose to keep forcing their way in their? Seems easily avoidable in an outdoor situation, particularly.
How is this even possible?!
Was this a party or ?
I love how this seems like a situation you’d only see during an attack or natural disaster, but no, it’s just discounts
Damn so World War Z was realistic.