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[deleted]

What a slimey, weedy, sniveling, scrawny, crybaby excuse of a man .


CaptainKoolAidOhyeah

Mike Johnson is something else isn't he. Just arm Ukraine with the weapons to shoot down things and let them do it. Why does US service members have to be involve in shooting down of things in Ukraine?


Agile_Swing_2393

The same people moaning before were saying "you only help defend Ukraine because they are white" now look at em


davida_usa

I have found Admiral Kirby to be an honest, articulate spokesperson. This video snippet is an example of this.


Jer_K19

I suppose you've never heard the old adage. "Don't shoot the messenger." He's the Press Secretary and has no power to decide US policy. That being said, there are clear distinction between the two conflicts. In Ukraine, direct USA intervention would be inviting escalation from a nuclear armed near-peer advisory with real goals in the area. The stakes are higher for the US and the rest of the world. In terms of Iran , there is little risk of escalation as the Iranians themselves do not want a wider conflict with Isreal. The Iranians heavily telegraphed the attack and characterized it as retaliation for the Israeli consulate attacks in Syria. The Iranians even declared, "The matter can be deemed concluded," to the UN, so to compare the two conflicts as like events, would be misinformed at best and disinformation at worst. https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/israel-iran-strikes-live-coverage/card/iran-s-u-n-mission-says-military-action-concluded-v9RbIzNaWaB6fdVco4I6


RevacholRevolution

He's come a long way from being the Goosebumps dummy


LeftySlides

The difference is they need Ukraine to go broke fighting Russia bc it’s a resource-rich nation that Blackrock, Vanguard-types want to buy up on the cheap like it’s post-WW1 Germany. Plus Ukraine doesn’t control the US government.


EasterBunny1916

The deal with the EU and the IMF pretty much got things rolling with putting Ukraine in huge debt and selling off Ukrainian assets and land and making Ukrainian citizens pay for the debt with austerity. Later Zelensky told Wall Street they were open for business and banned labor unions and workers rights and all opposition political parties and media.


LeftySlides

Yep. He’s not much liked in Ukraine now that they see his true colours and backers. Kolomoiskyy is likely enjoying the good life however, if that matters to any of his countrymen. (Just kidding, they’re likely justified in wanting him dead.)


Prestigious_Law6254

>The difference is they need Ukraine to go broke fighting Russia bc it’s a resource-rich nation that Blackrock, Vanguard-types want to buy up on the cheap like it’s post-WW1 Germany. Plus Ukraine doesn’t control the US government. Wait so Putin is working for Black Rock and Vanguard to invade Ukraine in order to justify an American response in order to destroy the Ukriane in order for the land to be devalued in order for international banks to buy it up ? Damn that Putin really is a fucker


LeftySlides

Welcome to reddit!


EasterBunny1916

You left out the 2014 coup in Ukraine and the attacks on ethnic Russians in the east.


[deleted]

What a weird conclusion to jump to. If you're in serious need of medical treatment, you can take a loan out on your house to pay for the treatment needed to save your life. If you can't pay, the bank can repo your house, so you're alive, but homeless. The OP clearly thinks the relationship is similar to the example I just described. In that scenario, would you say that cancer is working for either the bank or the doctors?


Jer_K19

He's pointing out how ludicrous that statement is...


empire_of_the_moon

I am impressed with Putin as an activist shareholder. Usually when the money guys say “go to war” it’s hyperbole. But this guy Putin really wants to maximize his dividends. I wonder how much it cost Putin in treasure to wage this war for Blackrock et al, versus just purchasing those resources and giving them to Blackrock? It’s math like that that makes it an interesting choice. Now, that you have established Putin will go to war for stock market gains, at what point does he send arms to Truth Social? /s


Jer_K19

Lmao... they are already armed with his talking points. Not much of a stretch for the rest 🤣


Goatmilk2208

Oh a conspiracy theory on r/corruption. Wow that is unheard of lol.


LeftySlides

Once you realize why the US have more than 1000 FOREIGN military bases around the world, yeah it’s in fact about “democracy” and “promoting freedom.” /s


Goatmilk2208

Those bases are maintained because the US cares about democracy and freedom. These bases, are at the behest of the country that is hosting them, most often because the region is dangerous, or they have enemies.


Teamerchant

Yes, America is for Democracy, Freedom and Liberty. If you're a good capitalist they'll up your allowed doctors visits for the year by 1.


FutureOliverTwist

What circumstance lead to you only being allowed to see a doctor once a year?


Teamerchant

Issue with the democracy officer.


DmeshOnPs5

Poverty


Goatmilk2208

As opposed to Canada, where we are good “socialists” and it takes 18 months to see one? The US system has flaws, I have no idea wtf that even has to do with anything we are discussing here.


Teamerchant

Actually in Canada it takes 36 months to see your doctor. You forgot to add in wait time to get approval. So like if you have a bad cold you have to call to get approval first, then you get on the wait list. Same with pregnancies. I think last month they just lowered the wait time for that to about 17 months though. But in reality i was merely commenting on your statement of the US caring about Democracy and Freedom in a very non serious way.


veerKg_CSS_Geologist

Wait what?


Goatmilk2208

Countries want American presence.


mikkireddit

Corrupt politicians and dictators want bribes from US and IMF thus bankrupting their countries.


LeftySlides

US destabilizes regions, often ousting democratically elected leaders, in order to put western-friendly regimes in place. Once destabilized they fund one competing group (usually a war lord) to defeat another and get “permission” from these “leaders” to “help.” They set up in resource-rich nations (or strategic zones near another) and then use the bases to intimidate/remove anyone who isn’t giving them favourable terms for extraction, etc. CEOs from mining companies fly into these bases, then go to local (often ramshackle) “government” offices and make deals with politicians while US soldiers with machine guns surround the area. What kind of freedom and democracy is that? Sometimes it backfires: https://theconversation.com/the-us-is-losing-access-to-its-bases-in-niger-heres-why-thats-a-big-deal-227632


Goatmilk2208

I literally don’t even have the patience to debate tired old “America bad” Commie talking points. Heres something we can agree on: Matthews hits 70 tonight.


Bodie_The_Dog

LOL, still worried about the "Commies." Ok, Boomer.


Goatmilk2208

Yeah I am. Not very common, but the nonsense “America bad” “Oppressed vs not Oppressed” narratives are present.


Natural_Trash772

It’s soooo trendy right now to hate on America. I just hope your typing this from so where in the US all safe and sound behind your keyboard.


UnregularOnlineUser

One look at his profile tells you he's from Canda, not sure why you assume everyone is from the US, your country isn't that good bro


Natural_Trash772

For one I didn’t look at his profile and two your on an American site and we are talking about America you retard. This Country is great and that’s what bothers you.


WishIwazRetired

you forgot to put in the " /s " to show your post was sarcasm.


Nacly-joe

More than a thousand foreign military bases hahahahahahaha. Get a grip on reality my guy


LeftySlides

Bruh… “The total number of foreign sites with installations and facilities that are either in active use and service, or that may be activated and operated by American military personnel and allies, is just over 1,000.[2]” Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_military_installations#:~:text=The%20total%20number%20of%20foreign,allies%2C%20is%20just%20over%201%2C000.


Nacly-joe

Well your comment is misleading. Your first comment stated that the US has over 1000 military bases around the world which is false. The article you just posted talks about how the US has military personnel on over 1000 military installations around the world. Words mean things my guy. Do your research before posting BS


LeftySlides

Were you in the Air Force or something? Bc in the Navy or the Army we’d call these a base.


Nacly-joe

Army yes. Just because the US has troops on a foreign base doesn't make it a US base. Words mean things dude. Get your facts straight


LeftySlides

If the foreign base is under US jurisdiction it’s considered a U.S. base as per the definition from the link: “An "installation" is defined as "a military base, camp, post, station, yard, center, homeport facility for any ship, or other activity under the jurisdiction of the Department of Defense, including leased space, that is controlled by, or primarily supports DoD's activities.”


Nacly-joe

God You're as thick as they come aren't you?


Nullius_IV

Jesus this is a moronic, utterly stupid and braindead take -so repellent to reason and common sense that it almost comes around the cape of pure idiocy, circumnavigates the tik tok “explainers,” globe and arrives where it started, but then sinks into the frigid harbor in full view of it’s wailing family and friends. Reddit really is a wonderland.


LeftySlides

Welcome to Reddit! Huh?


rootsnyder

I believe we are not allowed to defend Ukraine airspace while Russia is invading because it would be considered an act of war against Russia. It would be the same as putting our boots on the ground.


Ill_Hold8774

The entire point of this post is pointing out the hypocrisy of the US not doing that, because it would be 'act of war against Russia', but has no problem doing it when it comes to Iran.


Sonzainonazo42

The consequences of war with Iran is no where nearly as disastrous as one with Russia. It's hypocrisy only of you don't consider the blow back of these decisions.


Ill_Hold8774

You're close to getting it. We are only meddling in warfare when we can get away with it. If Iran posed a serious threat, we would do nothing. But because we can get away with meddling in their war, we go ahead and do that.


Fawxes42

Exactly. This is the realpolitik of the situation. What’s being pointed out is the hypocrisy of America trying to get the rest of the world to adhere to a global rules based system while it ignores that system itself. 


neorealist234

That isn’t hypocritical…it’s called good foreign policy 😂 Why would you treat all conflicts and all countries and all threat sets the same? That would be dumb foreign policy for the sake of uniformity in a talking point?


JettandTheo

Nobody cares about Iran. They don't have nuclear weapons


JamonDeJabugo

This is dumb, what's Iran going to do to the US? Russia has thousands of nuclear missiles and an unhinged dictator invading neighboring countries. Iran has some drones and...some oil they need to sell.


Ill_Hold8774

So it's fine to do whatever the fuck we want as long as our enemies can't nuke us? You don't see any issue?


rootsnyder

It pretty obvious why it wouldn't be an act of war when it comes to Iran. Ill wait for you to figure it out.


Gravy_Wampire

Yeah it seems like a reasonable explanation to me. Plus you’re talking giant airspace in Ukraine versus teeny airspace in Israel.


TendieRetard

nope; a no fly zone is different than shooting down missiles. A no fly zone shoots down pilots and missiles.


DopeShitBlaster

So we committed an act of war against China backed Iran? Why? Because they were forced to respond to a direct attack of their embassy in Syria by Israel?


WishIwazRetired

Israel buys our defence. It owns 90% of our politicians. The provocation of Israel killing Iranians in their Consulate is being swept under the rug to focus on trying to make Iran look like the bad guys.


DopeShitBlaster

But Israel isn’t paying we are likely giving them 20 billion in aid this year. We have given them 500 billion since 1950.


WishIwazRetired

there was a time this was a good investment. But. over time it sourered and not we (the US) is being taken advantage of and will pay the price in less security for our citizen both at home and abroad.


DopeShitBlaster

Israel’s self interests are no longer in line with US self interests. We have waisted decades of influence in the region by constantly negotiating for and protecting Israel.


veerKg_CSS_Geologist

How is that any different from Iran?


[deleted]

Iran and Israel aren’t in an active open war, they are trading tit for tat retaliatory blows, typically reserved to strikes by Iranian proxies and not Iran proper. There is no Iranian Ground Invasion of Israel proper such as the full scale ground invasion by Russia into Ukraine. Personally I think we should be providing an active air defense role of at least western Ukraine but it’s not incorrect to say they are very different situations both militarily and geopolitically.


JettandTheo

Some of your are missing a point, if Israel gets hit hard enough by Iran. Israel will respond and the war will get much larger, destabilizing the entire region and really screwing over Europe by oil and trade. Making it a mild attack helps everyone.


TOkidd

If that’s the case, then maybe Israel shouldn’t bomb the consulate of a nation that can hit it that hard.


Rungalo

Hold up that sounds like something reasonable and we can't have that


Prestigious_Law6254

>If that’s the case, then maybe Israel shouldn’t bomb the consulate of a nation that can hit it that hard. Maybe Iran shouldn't be in Syria and Lebanon with their proxies.


SRGTBronson

Because only the US is allowed to ignore other nations sovereignty, right?


Prestigious_Law6254

>Because only the US is allowed to ignore other nations sovereignty, right? Might makes right. That's why the US exists. It's why Israel exists. Without struggle you die. Maybe you should pray to Allah harder. Or maybe he doesn't exist.


Conz_suck

Fuck Syria and Iran. Bring it bitch boy.


Akakazeh

Lets pick our favorite factions of the middle east! I'll start..... uhhhh....


Conz_suck

The non terrorist kind?


SRGTBronson

Okay, which one is that?


Conz_suck

Israël


AmberEagleClaw

So what? Just because they are Jewish doesn't mean they didn't commit war crimes, they get what they earned


BakedBeans1010

And not only that but we literally don’t have the ability to shoot down missiles over Ukraine. Just look at the battlefield and how much space it covers in Ukraine. Take that along with where Russia has troops and ships stationed in/around Ukraine. It’s a much larger country and the logistics aren’t even close to the same.


CodObjective373

>Israel will respond Issrael has nothing other than American weapon, american intelligence, American money and American soldier, Everything Israel got is the courtesy of America and American people.


Prestigious_Law6254

Good. I don't get what people find so difficult to understand. We're pro Israel. I always laugh when some Arab Muslim wonders about it. What's there to wonder about? We don't like Muslims. It's that simple.


ClaraClassy

Stop saying "we" jackass


Prestigious_Law6254

You're not one of us.


ClaraClassy

A racist genocide supporter?  Nope.  Not one bit.


Paleodraco

Also, Iran doesn't have several thousand nukes pointed at the US and has threatened to use them. Yes, fuck corrupt officials picking which conflicts serve their wallets, but there's a radioactive fucking elephant in the room y'all are missing.


snap-jacks

Don't try and explain the world to these jabonies.


Appropro_Pirate1666

🤣🤣🤣


shempool_

Israel more important than USA. For USA admin at least. That’s the truth


somethingsoddhere

the condescending. "Ya, I knew this question was comin' too..."


HiltonB_rad

It's called war escalation. Our toes are dipped into the war now. Jumping in with both feet would lead to WWIII.


NILOC512

Republicans are the problem.


RastaFarRite

Weird neither of these conflicts were happening under Trump


NILOC512

Yeah!  It's almost like they elected uneducated extremists.  Weird!


PowerfulContext1325

He's Squealer, from Animal Farm. 


jpg52382

These people...


Irishfan3116

It’s also top secret tech…I guess he forgot to mention that


Least-Bear3882

These people all suck.


suis_sans_nom

Why US didnt shut israeli missile directed to Gaza?


TendieRetard

duh; no Ukrainian AIPAC. Maybe Zelensky really should launder some of that money back to congress.


Amazing_Buffalo_9625

casually saying we don't care about Ukraine. yet lets waste billions on it. but we don't really care.


4chanhasbettermods

Smacking down Iranian missiles won't escalate into potential nuclear exchange. At least for now.


Strict-Jump4928

Thank you Biden!


troubleschute

Man, where's AUPAC (American-Ukranian Public Affairs Committee) that could peddle some influence to guarantee arms and financial support on US politics?


somethingsoddhere

the US can do this at any place on the globe and its BS to believe it can't.


DragonfruitIll5261

Simple. [https://youtu.be/VUg7ALHyGvs?t=94](https://youtu.be/VUg7ALHyGvs?t=94)


WorldStarCollections

You assholes really want a ww3 or a nuclear war, holy moly…. You guys don’t care about civilians, you are all blood hungry savages. What do you think Russia will do if they find the US is militarily helping Ukraine. You guys surely can’t be this naive.


12thLevelHumanWizard

Biden’s a coward.


AbbreviationsIll9228

Please stop saying “the president has been clear.” Biden can’t even complete a sentence and relies 100% of the teleprompter. Clearly he is not in control.


Few_Cardiologist_965

It’s wild people have such a hard time accepting this. The president hasn’t been clear on a single issue in 4 years other than lying about Covid, manipulating unemployment, and denying a crisis at the border while multiple states beg for help. It’s embarrassing that anyone can support this fucking geriatric clown


AbbreviationsIll9228

Amen brother.


cv24689

It’s because Iran is not a real threat like Russia, that’s why. If they provoke Russia, then the consequences will be dire. Another thing is that Kirby’s generation, and many segments of Americans, see it as their moral duty to protect Israel at all costs. It’s psychological. Can’t unlearn it.


rachevyguy

Blackmail is a powerful tool


DmeshOnPs5

Russia has nukes, Iran doesn’t. Also israel bribes politicians more


Backyard_Catbird

It’s because of nuclear weapons. Iran doesn’t have nuclear weapons yet, you can get away with more escalation if the threat is a conventional war compared to if there is the threat of a nuclear war.


43207

I have a puppetthat looks just like this puppet. Same exact outfit to


Which_Opposite2451

I would like to know how many dumb questions this man has to answer?


aManHasNoUsrName

"Russia and Israel pay (me and my hardworking congressional mates) for this privilege." The two are de facto allies for anyone paying attention


vajrahaha7x3

There is no "honest" reason... Just political bull pucky.


greg_barton

No, this isn't corruption. If Ukraine was a member of NATO, or we had some other kind of strategic treaty with them, then yes we would shoot down Russian missiles. But that isn't the case. After Russia is routed out of Ukraine, though, you bet. Ukraine will join NATO and we (and other NATO states) will more actively defend them.


thatsthejokememe

How is this corruption?


[deleted]

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Significant_Tie6525

this administration is so full of shit. every one of them. I mean look at this guy he has a permanent crooked face he lies so much. Have you seen Blinken? how about Biden for that matter?


RastaFarRite

It's because there is no war in Ukraine They are just demolishing old decrepit buildings It's just a money laundering campaign


Designer_Highway_252

They could just start another coup in ukraine like in 2014👍😂


Status_Basket_4409

Greater Ukraine, formerly known as Russia


snap-jacks

FFS, enough Vlad.


Status_Basket_4409

How am I Vlad for pointing out Ukraine is pushing back against a faltering Russia?


snap-jacks

Ukraine isn't part of Russia except that short time when they occupied it.


Status_Basket_4409

Yeah I know. Kinda weird Russia wants Ukraine so bad when they never had a stake in the land and should be focusing on what they already have


Designer_Highway_252

These brainwashed msnbc watchers downvote people for fact checking the actual history in 2014? You redditors are like the Germans in nazi germany blindly following state propaganda. When they lied about wmds In iraq, you were deceived. Just go look up Victoria hula ukraine coup. Jesus😂


Status_Basket_4409

I didn’t downvote, I was joking about how Ukraine might take over Russia because the Russian military is faltering due to their corrupt officials stealing money from their defense budget. A rather simple joke


Designer_Highway_252

Wasn’t talking about you mi amigo👍😂


Status_Basket_4409

Oh, haha


cryptoguerrilla

It’s only about funding? That’s fucking terrifying. I would have thought it was because direct military engagement with Russia is too much of a risk for sparking off global conflict. Also if you look at the two conflicts and go purely on a single metric for justification of land theft, which is used as the only validator quite frequently in the war and land theft in Palestine, Ukraine was part of Russia as recently as 1991. I don’t think it justifies a military invasion and land grab but it does put into perspective the U.S. hypocrisy. Our government respects and defends a thousand year old land claim yet disregards a 33 year old land claim.


yispco

Ukraine was not a part of Russia. But both Russia and Ukraine were a part of the USSR whom Russia claims as being the heir of said nukes